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Speaker 1: presented by Wingstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts,
Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. It's Monday. It is not Victory Monday.
Speaker 1: And we've been trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: Jesse Holly off this show for about a year and
Speaker 1: a half now, So I just want to extend a
Speaker 1: thank you to the Jones family for resigning Kelly Moore
Speaker 1: and get Jesse to check and completely out of this
Speaker 1: show and not even want to be a part of
Speaker 1: this show. So thank you Jones family for for Oh,
Speaker 1: there he is he did show up, he is here.
Speaker 1: Oh can't get rid of me. Kellen Moore coming back
Speaker 1: was going to do it for us, Jesse Man, oh Man. Well,
Speaker 1: as you can see, I am officially on vacation. My shirt,
Speaker 1: my hat. I don't know if I'm good co but
Speaker 1: I am going somewhere. So I am I'm officially done.
Speaker 1: I am done, except not for this show. I want
Speaker 1: to see you guys two more times this week, So
Speaker 1: today and then Thursday we'll be on at eleven thirty,
Speaker 1: and then we'll go to once a week every Thursday
Speaker 1: eleven thirty with the boys. Fellas. I may not look
Speaker 1: like it, but I am very sad today. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: could not take care of business. So weird feeling, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is so weird because it's like they it's not
Speaker 1: like they really deserve to be in the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: we nobody thought they really would be, but yet they
Speaker 1: had a chance. And so now, I mean the Giants
Speaker 1: put it on about twelve different silver platters and serve
Speaker 1: them up opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to just please
Speaker 1: take this game. We don't want to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We don't want to watch the night game with anything
Speaker 1: vested in this Cowboys, please just take this, win this
Speaker 1: game so we don't have to have anything vested. And
Speaker 1: they just could not get it done. Fellas, Jesse, were
Speaker 1: you in morning? Is that why you were late? Or
Speaker 1: did you just forget we had a show? Are you
Speaker 1: just done? I was doing my best to get here
Speaker 1: on time. It's okay, it's all right, it's okay, very vague.
Speaker 1: We've probably better leave it at yea, yeah, got caught
Speaker 1: cut caught at the train crossing, coming from the other
Speaker 1: side of the tracks of the trailer park. We understand,
Speaker 1: we've all been trailer park. There a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of mud, and so I was trying to get out.
Speaker 1: I was trying to burn rubber get out of them.
Speaker 1: The wheel just kept spinning, so they had to had
Speaker 1: to help me get up about in the trailer park.
Speaker 1: But I'm here, Burt, burning rubber, all right, at the
Speaker 1: trailer park. Nate, Nate, you are quiet today? What what? What?
Speaker 1: What you know? Beloved lifelong cowboy Homer on this show?
Speaker 1: Why are you so quiet? Or your heartbroken? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I talked to Barry Church before the game,
Speaker 1: and I was just talking to Kurt and I said, Kurt,
Speaker 1: the biggest game, at the biggest moment, went to have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in the playoffs. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Buried Church, and Buried Church was sitting us sweating bullets.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Church, what's wrong? He's say, Nate, the biggest games,
Speaker 1: the biggest moments, with the opportunity all I can remember
Speaker 1: is we did at three years in a row, at
Speaker 1: eight and eight, and we failed every time. And I
Speaker 1: looked at it and I almost just walked out of
Speaker 1: the studio because at the biggest moments, at the biggest times,
Speaker 1: to give yourself an opportunity. Guess what the cowboys did.
Speaker 1: And you know what typical cowboy fashion, they got all
Speaker 1: of us to buy into. They got us to buy in,
Speaker 1: kept us hanging on, went on that that went in street,
Speaker 1: kept us hanging on to the very last second, and
Speaker 1: then we got let down again. Kurt, what are your thoughts? Well,
Speaker 1: I said, it's disappointing. I mean, like you put it perfectly,
Speaker 1: they got and they sucked us back in. You know,
Speaker 1: we had some hope, we had some excitement about what
Speaker 1: was going on, and then at the very end, they
Speaker 1: pulled the rug out from understand again they did it
Speaker 1: two eleven, twenty twelve to thirteen. I think, you know
Speaker 1: it just over and over again. It comes out of
Speaker 1: the final game and they can't come through. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was more disappointed than I
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Actually, I didn't think it would
Speaker 1: kind of hit this hard. But you know, it's a bummer.
Speaker 1: They didn't make the playoffs even if Jesse, Jesse, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this? Tell me as a football player,
Speaker 1: if a team on third down, it's old for a
Speaker 1: seven in a whole game, shouldn't they lose if you
Speaker 1: don't control the clock. You control the clock for thirty
Speaker 1: plus minutes and they only control of the clock twenty
Speaker 1: seven minutes. Oh no, But we got some defensive players
Speaker 1: that want to hit, but folks want to push folks
Speaker 1: over piles and keep drafts going, and it costs us
Speaker 1: bout seventeen points. I'd tell you, I just don't understand this.
Speaker 1: Just yea ahead, man, Well, I just was gonna come.
Speaker 1: You had that tweet during the game about the defense
Speaker 1: was trying to play two over the top or two
Speaker 1: emotional or whatever, and I wanted to ask you about that.
Speaker 1: You know, we we had been asking them to be
Speaker 1: more physical and kind of show some emotion. But you
Speaker 1: said this wasn't really the team that wasn't there, m
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. You know you saw the team come
Speaker 1: out and and and and everybody's trying to be you know,
Speaker 1: super tough and super physical and super you know everything.
Speaker 1: Everything was so over the top and yes, you you you.
Speaker 1: You don't change your game in a ninth inning, right,
Speaker 1: you like you you when I when I mean be physical,
Speaker 1: there's a level of being physical at the point of attack, right.
Speaker 1: I can be physical at the point of attack. I
Speaker 1: can be physical at shedding a block. I could be
Speaker 1: physical at making a tackle. But when you try to
Speaker 1: get over physical we all laughed, and John Macholda got
Speaker 1: over a million views on the Jalen Smith whatever that whatever,
Speaker 1: that wwe thing that he did when he got into
Speaker 1: the little pushing shoving back with the off Yeah, then
Speaker 1: you know, then then you've got you know, you got
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis doing things, and then you got you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Randy Greg. I mean, so you have all these things
Speaker 1: where they're just playing way too emotional, way too over physical,
Speaker 1: and that's not their style. And when you begin to
Speaker 1: do things out of your character, it shows. And then
Speaker 1: I know there's this show. It blatantly shows, and it
Speaker 1: cost you when you start doing things and at this
Speaker 1: point in the season that you have not done all
Speaker 1: year long, and all of a sudden, now you want
Speaker 1: to be this super tough, you want to be this
Speaker 1: super aggressive football team. Guys, certain guys can't play that way.
Speaker 1: I knew guys that can get to level one thousand
Speaker 1: and were able to play it under you know, under
Speaker 1: that type of u that type of zone. I knew
Speaker 1: guys who got to eleven one thousand, and they were
Speaker 1: all over the place, and it just wasn't good for
Speaker 1: the football team. And you saw a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: especially earlier in that game, that was all over the place,
Speaker 1: out of position, extending drives, giving up opportunities. You just
Speaker 1: can't do that. And and to me, when I watched them,
Speaker 1: especially on defense, I was just like, who are these
Speaker 1: guys all of a sudden, Now you guys want to
Speaker 1: be fighters, You guys want to be tough guys. This
Speaker 1: isn't who you've been all year So don't don't try
Speaker 1: to do this now in the final game of the season.
Speaker 1: And this has not been who you've been all year long.
Speaker 1: It just was. It was It was out a character,
Speaker 1: It looked weird, and it cost it cost him in
Speaker 1: a lot of those instances. Was this was it, you know,
Speaker 1: a concerted effort that, oh we gotta go try to
Speaker 1: intimidate them, or was it nerves? Were they desperate? I mean,
Speaker 1: why you think this was a hey, let's playing on
Speaker 1: the body. Somebody spoke up and then deliver the right speech.
Speaker 1: That's all that was. I'm saying, Jesse, you've been in
Speaker 1: the locker room where you got certain guys that just
Speaker 1: go off, fly off the handler. You look at them like, yo, y'all, Hey,
Speaker 1: that ain't the way we're gonna do this well in
Speaker 1: their locker room. It's obvious. It's obvious that they don't
Speaker 1: have an alpha mail to say, hey, nah, we don't
Speaker 1: do it like that. Let's play within our means. Like
Speaker 1: you say, Jesse, you you're good at six hundred, You're
Speaker 1: not good at a thousand. I was good at seven fifty,
Speaker 1: but I was not good at eight hundred. I was
Speaker 1: one of them guys. I could not fly off the
Speaker 1: handle because if I flew off to handle, bad things happened.
Speaker 1: You got to realize that as a player, and all
Speaker 1: of these guys are played long enough to know that
Speaker 1: cycle level, that hype level, and if you get beyond
Speaker 1: that hype level, you have to pull yourself back down.
Speaker 1: And nobody until at the half I guess Coach McCarthy
Speaker 1: l coach Nolan Win and said, look, tell us what
Speaker 1: are we doing. I just got a call from Jesse saying, man,
Speaker 1: don't recognize y'all. I mean, y'all got to do better.
Speaker 1: So do you think that was a big factor then?
Speaker 1: And then falling down twenty to nine in the first yes,
Speaker 1: first half? Yeah? You o for seventh, you ope for
Speaker 1: seven or third down? You getting them out of there?
Speaker 1: You take it and you but a guy. You you
Speaker 1: got them out of there, You push you out over
Speaker 1: a pole. You got them out of there. You it's
Speaker 1: a full count and your fastball is ready to be pitched,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you want to throw a
Speaker 1: slider and you miss. Is that the guy? Is that
Speaker 1: on the players with how they approached the game, or
Speaker 1: is that on the coaching that didn't have them? Maybe
Speaker 1: that's on the that's on the players. I mean at
Speaker 1: some point in time, like you coach, and you coach
Speaker 1: and you coach, and then you have to let go
Speaker 1: and the guys have to go out there and perform,
Speaker 1: right Like it's like this these these aren't We're not
Speaker 1: talking about the middle school kids. It's like this ain't
Speaker 1: Pop Warner. This is professional football. So you can coach
Speaker 1: and coach and coach but at some point in time,
Speaker 1: you gotta let a player go and let him go
Speaker 1: do what he's supposed what he's paid highly paid to do.
Speaker 1: And so in a coach is always supposed to be
Speaker 1: making adjustments, but there's only like like, at some point
Speaker 1: in time, he's got to say, all right, kid, go
Speaker 1: play and and and hope for the best when they
Speaker 1: go out there, and hope that you give them enough
Speaker 1: knowledge for the game. Now, you can't coach someone's Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't coach someone's attitude or amp level, or hype level,
Speaker 1: or smart level or stupidity level. You can't coach those things, right. Uh,
Speaker 1: some of it is just in certain people. Some of
Speaker 1: it some some people just go out there and do
Speaker 1: what they do all the time because that's just who
Speaker 1: they are. And you try to you try your best
Speaker 1: ability to coach in a proper manner that gives them
Speaker 1: the best opportunity to be successful. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, a player has to go out there
Speaker 1: and do what he does. Like you're you're a grown
Speaker 1: damn man. I can't I can't coach every aspect of
Speaker 1: your game. I can't coach you in the film room.
Speaker 1: I can't coach you in the training room. I can't
Speaker 1: coach you in the practice field. I can't coach you
Speaker 1: how you get hyped. I can't as a coach. I
Speaker 1: don't have enough time in the day to make sure
Speaker 1: that each one of my guys are coached to the
Speaker 1: perfector to the you know, to perfection as far as mind, body,
Speaker 1: and soul. At some point in time, there has to
Speaker 1: be a level of onus on the player. Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: you can't head but a guy. I shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: coach that. I shouldn't have to coach that. Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: you load that you can't come after the players called
Speaker 1: dead and come push your guy off the pile. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to coach that. That's not coaching, that's not
Speaker 1: that's nothing I'm doing coaching. I shouldn't have to put
Speaker 1: that in my notes. Hey let me let let me
Speaker 1: make sure I tell Randy Gregory today, Hey, don't push
Speaker 1: after the part. Let me put my notes today to
Speaker 1: tell Jordan Lewis, Hey, dude, don't in open space where
Speaker 1: it's just you and him standing and the ref. God
Speaker 1: leave the ref standing right there. Don't head but the
Speaker 1: dude like let's not do those things. So it's like you,
Speaker 1: that's on a player. I can only coach so much
Speaker 1: before a player has to take owners on what he
Speaker 1: does on the football field, down in and down out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, coaches are say things before a game like
Speaker 1: play hard, play smart, Hey, fellas, that's gonna get into
Speaker 1: no extracurriculum, things that they're sailor things like that during
Speaker 1: the week, you know, praying that it touches the right.
Speaker 1: This is what's and I'm when you have no defensive
Speaker 1: leadership and people can say, yeah you can, you can
Speaker 1: name all the guys you want it as leaders. That's fine.
Speaker 1: But to yesterday, it did not show up. It did not.
Speaker 1: After my man did what he did. Ahead, but at
Speaker 1: the guy, everybody buried Church Isaiah stand back, Chris mean,
Speaker 1: everybody just turned and we kind of looked at each
Speaker 1: other like, what did he just do? With the rep
Speaker 1: standing right there looking? I mean, how do you answer that?
Speaker 1: How do you go back in the huddle? You was
Speaker 1: getting ready to run off the field third down? How
Speaker 1: do you go back, Fellas? My bad? My bad? I understand.
Speaker 1: And then the next play, the next few plays, the
Speaker 1: guy that you're supposed to be on. We heard that
Speaker 1: from Sharp from What's Kid eighty seven? We haven't heard
Speaker 1: that from him all year long. He came in here
Speaker 1: and now he's now here. He's um the first alternate
Speaker 1: for the Pro Bowl, where he got as players, were
Speaker 1: you surprised that Jordan wasn't benched at least for a
Speaker 1: little bit for who? For who? I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: get better for who, just as not not because there
Speaker 1: was somebody better there, but just as a disciplinarian thing,
Speaker 1: you can't do this. No, you wear your option on.
Speaker 1: All right, he made a dumb mistake, and you try
Speaker 1: to give him some grace for that, especially if he's
Speaker 1: not you know, repeat or repeater of fan. But also
Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, I still have a football game to
Speaker 1: go win, right, Think Think, think about what what the
Speaker 1: headlines would have been if Jordan Lewis headbuts a guy
Speaker 1: then gets bench and they really they blow us out
Speaker 1: and saying, oh what do you guys do? Which we're
Speaker 1: trying to win the game. Handle that later and in
Speaker 1: some instances you do, right. We all we've all heard.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Nate told her, know, Michael Ervin
Speaker 1: has told us several times before, when who's Eric Williams
Speaker 1: when he was missing? Yeah, during the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, if anybody goes missing, it're not
Speaker 1: on time of the night, you're not gonna play. And
Speaker 1: then like you know, one of your players goes missing
Speaker 1: and not on time, He's like, well, we're gonna deal
Speaker 1: with that after the super Bowl, but who don't have
Speaker 1: to go win this football game first? So you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you always say, you know, everyone's treated fairly,
Speaker 1: but everybody ain't treated the same, and the same thing
Speaker 1: goes for this situation right here. Yeah, what what do
Speaker 1: you do? You miss Jorge Lewis for a quarter? Four half?
Speaker 1: All right? Now, the guy the back of guy you
Speaker 1: put in, he's he's he's not as good as George Lewis,
Speaker 1: doesn't have the experience and gives up bookoo about the
Speaker 1: plays and how you really in the deficit. That that's
Speaker 1: just that's one of the coach thing you say, all right,
Speaker 1: we discipline them, we yell at him on the sideline,
Speaker 1: we correct it. It's one of our veteran guys, so
Speaker 1: we hope that he doesn't do it again. But you
Speaker 1: can't you can't bitch a guy in this game at
Speaker 1: that moment for that penalty. And you know, we we're
Speaker 1: huge fans of Jordan Lewis on this show, and we
Speaker 1: all know why why is he not getting more playing time?
Speaker 1: Maybe this is why. Maybe there's things that they've seen
Speaker 1: that they can't you can't trust, and that's maybe that's
Speaker 1: preventing them from getting playing time. I don't know who knows. Man,
Speaker 1: sad day, cowboy Land. We're gonna take a break, we
Speaker 1: come back. I mean, should we even talk about should
Speaker 1: we even talk about the Giants game? Does it even matter?
Speaker 1: Should we just talk about we gotta we gotta put
Speaker 1: a bowl on it. Man, we gotta put a bowl
Speaker 1: on it. Let's put a bowl on it. You know what,
Speaker 1: Hamm and the nail and you gotta slam this thing. Shit,
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Speaker 1: back into it, just some stats that kind of jump
Speaker 1: off at me. Your punter nice wander average forty eight
Speaker 1: point five yards a punt, he's good. Your kicker four
Speaker 1: for four along of fifty seven yards, he's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Your tight end was your leading receiver with ten targets,
Speaker 1: seven reception for seventy yards. He's pretty good. Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: is your leading rusher, which is pretty sad. Seven rushes
Speaker 1: for forty eight yards. But I will tell you this.
Speaker 1: You know, we we we bag on on Zeke when
Speaker 1: he's not doing good. He he showed a lot of
Speaker 1: heart yesterday after after the game, he talked about he's
Speaker 1: been battling a hamstring injury and a quad injury. He
Speaker 1: ran hard, like he ran with heart. You know, I
Speaker 1: know we give him a hard time on this show sometimes,
Speaker 1: but you know, he only averaged three yards to carry.
Speaker 1: But I thought he went out there and you could
Speaker 1: tell he was struggling, and I thought, you know, you
Speaker 1: run with heart. Didn't translate to a lot of yards,
Speaker 1: a lot of not averaging a lot of yards, But
Speaker 1: hats off to Zeke. So one of some things. Are
Speaker 1: they any positives? Go ahead, go ahead, Kurt Well, I
Speaker 1: kind of wish I cut in some ways. They gave
Speaker 1: up on the running game too early. I kind of
Speaker 1: wish they had stuck with Zeke a little longer, and
Speaker 1: maybe he was too banged up to really do a lot.
Speaker 1: But I mean, fourteen carries, that's they don't win football
Speaker 1: games where they're given to seek that few. You know,
Speaker 1: that not that much work, I guess, and I realize, okay,
Speaker 1: good response, thank you, But uh yeah, I realized that
Speaker 1: the offensive line was probably struggling. But uh, I mean
Speaker 1: if you look at the game, this was a game
Speaker 1: Kurt that and Shannon and jest that I emphasized all week.
Speaker 1: This is where you would see, uh that our offensive
Speaker 1: line when't as efficient as they should be. And it's
Speaker 1: told in the red zone where blocks have to be
Speaker 1: a little bit more precise. Uh, it's told at key
Speaker 1: times at a game when you needed to hold and
Speaker 1: Lennard Williams and his crew made some big plays. And
Speaker 1: that is where you see where this uh, the deficiencies
Speaker 1: of our offensive line and where they have been successful
Speaker 1: with other defensive lines that wasn't as good as what
Speaker 1: Lena William was bringing yesterday. It hurt us, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: and when your quarterback opens the game kind of off
Speaker 1: character a little bit. It took a while for him
Speaker 1: to get into a groove and they right there. They
Speaker 1: was down by well almost twenty points at a certain time,
Speaker 1: and their defense just kept continue to build mo minimum
Speaker 1: minimum Minnisoma. They held on even because we know, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny, I'm just talking serious.
Speaker 1: We know, at some point in time in the third quarter,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett will get you a chance to get back
Speaker 1: in the game. He gonna go ultra conservative and gonna
Speaker 1: give you the opportunity to get back in the game.
Speaker 1: He gave us that opportunity to get back in the game.
Speaker 1: But every time Lena William will raise up and make
Speaker 1: a big play, either hit on your quarterback or either
Speaker 1: sat one of the other guys. You know, Martinez was
Speaker 1: not missing any blocks yesterday, and when he came on blitzes,
Speaker 1: he was thumping. So they took advantage of their situation
Speaker 1: and then their opportunities. Whereas when it came to us,
Speaker 1: you know, we were one for Ford in the red
Speaker 1: zone goal to goal, we was only fifty percent, but
Speaker 1: gold to goal that means what five yards and less?
Speaker 1: That you got to be one hundred percent, and we wasn't.
Speaker 1: So like you said, Shannon, we got a great field
Speaker 1: goal kick them, but it can't win games. You know,
Speaker 1: we got a great pune, but that means you can't
Speaker 1: convert third downs. So everything you said was great, but
Speaker 1: it didn't shine for the Dallas Cowboys because it didn't
Speaker 1: go towards your win since two thousand and nine. This
Speaker 1: is the quick stat. This is from Bobby Belt. This
Speaker 1: is a quick stat and it makes me laugh because
Speaker 1: I essentially got fired over this stat. But it makes
Speaker 1: me laugh. Sif two nineteen the Cowboys record when they
Speaker 1: scored at least thirty points, We heard that somewhere before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're fourteen and two, tied for the third most wins
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Dallars record when they score less than
Speaker 1: thirty points. They're oh and fifteen, the only NFL team
Speaker 1: without a record, and now they're owing sixteen. Every other
Speaker 1: every other team in the NFL has at least two
Speaker 1: wins when they score a fewer than thirty points. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are oh and sixteen when they score less
Speaker 1: than thirty points. I mean they're o and yes sixteen
Speaker 1: when they score less than thirty points. Since two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, this team, this this team has been and
Speaker 1: probably will be going forward, will always be a team
Speaker 1: that is built to have to score points to win.
Speaker 1: Nate and go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna fire you man, go ahead on that. Uh that
Speaker 1: that that that's built to win that way. And when
Speaker 1: you don't and you don't have a defense that's going
Speaker 1: to be able to step up when it consider and
Speaker 1: basis and see that's why we and I think Nate
Speaker 1: was the one who coined it the last a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, that don't don't don't bite the cheese,
Speaker 1: and don't fall for the fool's goal. That's what happened
Speaker 1: the last three games leading up to the Giants. We
Speaker 1: we we it was fool's goal. And then we're getting
Speaker 1: we got into the game and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now we couldn't block anybody, we couldn't run, we couldn't
Speaker 1: score points. And I know that you don't have your
Speaker 1: q your QB. I get it, I understand it, but
Speaker 1: you have to understand what you are as a unit
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe Mike and Nolan and Kellen don't quite
Speaker 1: fully understand what they have with this team. I mean,
Speaker 1: you had them all year long. Uh, but this this
Speaker 1: is a team who it's so frustrated because we see
Speaker 1: the names, and we look at the rosters and we
Speaker 1: compare names to other rosters, and the difference is ours
Speaker 1: don't equate to w's not significant enough W. And that's
Speaker 1: the frustrating part is when you look around the league
Speaker 1: and you're saying, man, this guy is as good as
Speaker 1: this guy, but this guy on the other team that
Speaker 1: may not be as good as a guy that's really
Speaker 1: good on our team helped them equate to victories. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. We don't have enough
Speaker 1: show to list the number of things. Is it coaching?
Speaker 1: Is it? Players? It is it? Ownership? Is it we
Speaker 1: don't trust me? We can go an entire week trying
Speaker 1: to break this whole thing down. Bottom line is it's
Speaker 1: it's sad, it's frustrating. It's unfortunate that a team built
Speaker 1: like this it can't produce victories, especially in the moments
Speaker 1: when it mattered. This game was was literally put The
Speaker 1: Giants really had nothing to play for and I truly believe,
Speaker 1: I truly believe if we would have given them a
Speaker 1: reason to quit, they probably would have shut it down.
Speaker 1: They probably would to shut it down because they're not
Speaker 1: playing for and you know they're playing for something, but
Speaker 1: they're not playing for something. We kind of knew how
Speaker 1: that Washington game was gonna end. We knew that that
Speaker 1: that was gonna end bad for whoever was playing in
Speaker 1: that in the early morning game. But we went out
Speaker 1: there and they gave us. They literally gave us opportunity
Speaker 1: after opportunity after opportunity, and we looked we were like
Speaker 1: it was like winning the game was like you know,
Speaker 1: like hey, I like like, I don't want to catch
Speaker 1: COVID now, I don't want to win this game. It
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, no, don't think you don't
Speaker 1: don't you stay away three states, stay six feet away,
Speaker 1: don't don't come near me, don't be around me, socially
Speaker 1: distanced from me because they were, I mean, even down
Speaker 1: to the last second where the kid makes his own
Speaker 1: self fumble. They just don't have it, man, This team
Speaker 1: just does it. This, this franchise, this organization just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what has to happen or who
Speaker 1: would have to happen with to change it. But it's
Speaker 1: a frustrating thing, man, I tell you it's right here. Man.
Speaker 1: I remember one year, man, we needed cornerbacks, and I'm
Speaker 1: talking with jim and we needed cornerbacks. We needed defensive players,
Speaker 1: and Jimmy dedicated this whole offseason to get to getting
Speaker 1: those players. I was telling Kurt before we got on
Speaker 1: the air. You know, even even the Green Bay Packers's
Speaker 1: greatest Aaron Rodgers is they saw like, we're not going
Speaker 1: anywhere past the second round if our defense can't get
Speaker 1: us a turnover every nine and then if our defense
Speaker 1: can't get off the field sometime. And as we played
Speaker 1: better and better teams, you go back, you look at
Speaker 1: the Giants. They played ball, they played Baltimore, they played
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and they played another team and they lost
Speaker 1: those games against higher competition. And you know, yeah, and
Speaker 1: we sitting him playing this that and this that and
Speaker 1: this that, and they're not very good, but we're trying
Speaker 1: to build momentum, you know. And I'm serious, a great, great, great,
Speaker 1: but yesterday this New York team defensively kind of played
Speaker 1: at that level of what they've been playing against and
Speaker 1: it showed up. Versus our offensive line, it showed up.
Speaker 1: And so I just feel like you're right here at
Speaker 1: one day, one time. Sooner or later, that's got to change.
Speaker 1: When you said fifteen and two thirty or more points,
Speaker 1: thirty or thirty or less points, and you have not
Speaker 1: had a defense that has been efficient enough to give
Speaker 1: you two or three wins over that period of time.
Speaker 1: And that's and when it hits you the most. It's
Speaker 1: when you're getting ready to go to the playoffs when
Speaker 1: everybody takes up a level. So I'm with y'all. This
Speaker 1: is a different league, but at some point in time,
Speaker 1: you have to have a defense that can get you
Speaker 1: that ball at the proper time. Are you have to
Speaker 1: have a like Eleve Blake martinezs who just played I'm
Speaker 1: just who played just soundball, don't miss tackles and be
Speaker 1: lined up in the right place. That's what the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs defense does. They're they're not super great. They
Speaker 1: got one or two studs over there, but they line
Speaker 1: up in the proper place, does the right thing, and
Speaker 1: they stay in their land. They don't go into the
Speaker 1: thousand miles an dollarly, they don't go over to Europe
Speaker 1: and get on that fast freeway over there. They stay
Speaker 1: at You get what I'm saying, I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give y'all a little bit of hope, But
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna give you a little bit of realism too.
Speaker 1: I hope it's gonna get some old. Look. I fully
Speaker 1: believe if you would have had had your your starting
Speaker 1: quarterback and your starting offensive line this season, you would
Speaker 1: have dominated this division. All right. So I have hope
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball because I think,
Speaker 1: but that's the foot that's football, that's the NFL. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get injuries, You're gonna get guys hurt. You gotta
Speaker 1: here's what you gotta do. You gotta take care of
Speaker 1: your quarterback. In the off season, we saw the ship.
Speaker 1: Let me say that we weren't. We weren't the only
Speaker 1: team in the division that lost players. The Eagles spent
Speaker 1: most of them, just a lot of their guys. I
Speaker 1: agree with, I agree, I agree. Everybody can say that
Speaker 1: if we had, if Carson Wish was playing like he
Speaker 1: played two years ago, they would probably dominate this division.
Speaker 1: If Saint chron Barkley and other guys didn't and other
Speaker 1: guys didn't get hurt for the Giants maybe they played.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's a great it's it's a great
Speaker 1: conversation to have. I don't want to steal your thunder
Speaker 1: and still your hope that you're trying to give out
Speaker 1: the people you already did. I mean, okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't talk. I don't talk very often on the show.
Speaker 1: What I do, I just you know, in the whole
Speaker 1: Jesse Doug like like the like the turd that they
Speaker 1: laid yesterday and just covered me up. Like he didn't
Speaker 1: even wait on Nate to cover me. He just he
Speaker 1: dug it, cover me up. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: That is the nature of the NFL. Everybody deals with injuries.
Speaker 1: But I if your your offensive line was serviceable, right
Speaker 1: you your you got. You gotta take care of your
Speaker 1: quarterback this offseason. Number one. You can see what this
Speaker 1: team does without a quarterback. You're gonna beat the teams.
Speaker 1: You're gonna struggle with the teams that you should easily beat,
Speaker 1: which is what they did. They struggled. They won the games,
Speaker 1: but they didn't dominate anybody like they should have. You
Speaker 1: get your offensive lineback Okay, you're good on offense, but
Speaker 1: you have got to address like Nate, echo into what
Speaker 1: Nate says every single year this off season, you have
Speaker 1: got to address the defense. You have got to get
Speaker 1: quality defensive players in here. You can't go take flyers
Speaker 1: on Taco Charlton's and guys that might work out. You're
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, You're Bruce Carters. You got to get some
Speaker 1: guys in here that are gonna help you, either through
Speaker 1: free agency or you have to draft to build this defense.
Speaker 1: Because what's gonna happen to you is what happened this year.
Speaker 1: You might get in the playoffs. You might limp in
Speaker 1: the playoffs at eight and eight or you know, nine
Speaker 1: and seven or ten and six, But you know what,
Speaker 1: as soon as you get in the playoffs, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get out class because you can't slow anybody down on
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Now, the defense started
Speaker 1: playing better at the end of the year. They're getting turnovers.
Speaker 1: The young guys are starting to play, they're starting to
Speaker 1: figure out who they are. But like Nate said, you
Speaker 1: gotta get some playmakers. You gotta get some solid key
Speaker 1: pieces on the defense to even have a chance to
Speaker 1: get out of the first round of the playoffs. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Jesse Man. You can't the formula that you've
Speaker 1: had in place the last ten, twelve, fifteen years, all
Speaker 1: these you got big name guys, but you don't have
Speaker 1: a cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. You've
Speaker 1: gotta fix that and out. I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you fix it other than going You got
Speaker 1: your offense where you want on it? Great, we got it.
Speaker 1: We can score thirty points if all the starting pieces
Speaker 1: are there every game. You gotta be able to slow
Speaker 1: somebody down the other side of the ball. Go fix it.
Speaker 1: Go fix it now, Go ahead, Jesse people on that.
Speaker 1: You know what, man, shadow that what I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: this is what. This is the bad thing about this
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys team, and I want your input on this.
Speaker 1: Is as good as we can be on offense, is
Speaker 1: well equally as bad on defense. I'm just over exaggerated.
Speaker 1: Are we just that? Do we have a one key
Speaker 1: player that can just turn this around out there in
Speaker 1: free agency? In the draft? Is you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times, like Green Bay, when he
Speaker 1: got two guys, two outside guys, and he changed their faith.
Speaker 1: Are we that close? Are that far away in y'all estimate?
Speaker 1: That's a that's my worries. I'm not sure this is
Speaker 1: a quick fix. You know, you're gonna have to start
Speaker 1: building and you've got some pieces maybe you know, you've
Speaker 1: got Randy Gregory, Marcus Lawrence, maybe Trevon Diggs got some
Speaker 1: pieces there, but you know you need to You've got
Speaker 1: a lot of rebuilding to do in that area too.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. But but again this but because
Speaker 1: of the offense, you really just need an average defense.
Speaker 1: You just you gotta do better than awful, you know.
Speaker 1: But Kurt, Kurt, you're putting you know. You know what
Speaker 1: worries me with that, Kurt is the guys that you
Speaker 1: that you that you have to keep around or that
Speaker 1: are probably going to be here next year. A lot
Speaker 1: of them are guys that you need to start over.
Speaker 1: What you need to get those guys out of here?
Speaker 1: That that's my big concerns. There are some guys on
Speaker 1: this team. I'm not gonna name names because I have
Speaker 1: to deal with these guys. There are guys on offense
Speaker 1: and defense that you need to get out of here.
Speaker 1: You need to get them out of here, and you
Speaker 1: need to start over at those positions. And I'm afraid
Speaker 1: to change. We talk about the culture all the time
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm afraid that those guys that you
Speaker 1: need to get out of here and start over and
Speaker 1: get fresh guys in here and start building this thing
Speaker 1: with a new coach, a new coaching staff, or guys
Speaker 1: you're going to keep around for whatever reason, this reason
Speaker 1: or that reason. And that's what I'm worried about, is
Speaker 1: because if you don't, if you don't churn this thing
Speaker 1: and go, this is the year we gotta make a change.
Speaker 1: Or guess what the next fifteen years is gonna be
Speaker 1: like the last fifteen because of the culture and the
Speaker 1: guys you have leading this team on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. It's not going to change. Because the new
Speaker 1: young guys that you got on this team that are
Speaker 1: balling out right now, you're Donovan Wilson's, you're CJ's, your
Speaker 1: your digs, guess what you gave them? Fall in line.
Speaker 1: They're gonna fall in line just like everybody else that's
Speaker 1: come in here, and it's and it's they're gonna wind up.
Speaker 1: Head button guys, They're gonna wind up pushing guys off
Speaker 1: the pile because because you don't have people that stand
Speaker 1: up after the game when they're when they're on the
Speaker 1: you know, these ball losses don't bother them. Somebody stand
Speaker 1: up and tell you, shut the hell up. We just
Speaker 1: got kicked out of the playoffs. Shut up and be
Speaker 1: quiet on the bus ride, in the plane ride home
Speaker 1: like this is not fun. Change it? No, no, go
Speaker 1: ahead on. I mean, how you how your piece? Brother?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Me I was the biggest clown.
Speaker 1: Me and Kevin GOLDI just compete who gonna be the
Speaker 1: biggest clown on the team. But when that whistle blew
Speaker 1: and you look in Troy am Charles Hayley, Michael Irving,
Speaker 1: when you looked in their faces, you get all the
Speaker 1: all the prankster, all the jokes to all that just
Speaker 1: seeped out of my body. Because it wasn't gonna be
Speaker 1: nowhere in the world. I'm gonna explain to them during
Speaker 1: the game, not after a game, doing a game, whyhead buddy,
Speaker 1: that guy. It wasn't gonna be no explanation. You know,
Speaker 1: it's got to be so much pressure on you as
Speaker 1: a player to perform for yourself and for your teammates
Speaker 1: that you cannot think of anything else. That's why I
Speaker 1: think I had a game man early in my career.
Speaker 1: Why I got hyped. I got actually hyped. I went
Speaker 1: out there and got a couple of whole independalence, a
Speaker 1: couple off sides, you know. I mean they were racing
Speaker 1: to me at halftime, Coach Johnson, Troy Egg but they
Speaker 1: were racing to getting me to cuss me out, like
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Brother? Get control of yourself because
Speaker 1: they knew I was hyped and they had never seen
Speaker 1: me like that before. So I came back out, I
Speaker 1: settled down. Unfortunately won the game. But you got to
Speaker 1: know who he is as a player. And a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys are immulating guys that have gotten paid,
Speaker 1: who think they're gonna get paid, and they have no
Speaker 1: no responsibility to themselves or to the coaching staff or
Speaker 1: to the players. You know. And maybe I'm saying it wrong,
Speaker 1: and maybe Jesse can be a little more eloquent and
Speaker 1: how he said, but you gotta have some responsibility in
Speaker 1: you in your clubhouse? Is that what I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: come in and say something? I no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: know we gotta take a break, so I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go into my soletto. Queen, we gotta take a
Speaker 1: break and tell let's come back. Yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We gotta We'll have a few
Speaker 1: minutes when we come back. Sorry, sorry for all you listening.
Speaker 1: We just we're ventning. This is the last week we
Speaker 1: get to vent, so we're just getting it all out now,
Speaker 1: so just bear with us. We're bear with us all.
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Speaker 1: And I am off my soapbox. I am sorry. It
Speaker 1: just bothers me. It bothers me. I want this team
Speaker 1: to do good and I and I play it off
Speaker 1: on this show. But it bothers me when when you know,
Speaker 1: it just seems like some people don't care. That's it,
Speaker 1: and you know, and it just came out. So I apologize,
Speaker 1: not really, I don't apologize. Go ahead, brother Jesse I
Speaker 1: want to hear from jesse Man. Jesse Man, I mean, Nate,
Speaker 1: you you you hit it on the head man, and
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about first of all, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they got to go and get Dack signed,
Speaker 1: Like he is the life and the heartbeat of this
Speaker 1: football team, and it looks different when he's there. Not
Speaker 1: this is played, but just the lead ship and overall leadership,
Speaker 1: but specifically his side of the football. And then you
Speaker 1: look on the defensive side of you're saying, where do
Speaker 1: we get where do we get our our beat from? Who?
Speaker 1: Who is our drum major, who is who is leading
Speaker 1: this band? What person are we getting our sound from?
Speaker 1: As far as players, you know, when you look at
Speaker 1: good teams, they say attitude reflects leadership, and you know
Speaker 1: the guys on either side of the ball is that
Speaker 1: when they speak, you listen when they talk, You adhere
Speaker 1: to the message. When they say something, it's it's done.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I think there's so many
Speaker 1: different voices. And again it's hard when when did they
Speaker 1: respect a guy like Sean Lee. Yeah they do, but
Speaker 1: they don't because they know, like Sean Lee, you know,
Speaker 1: you're the old man. You don't relate to me, you
Speaker 1: don't understand us. You you're the thirty five, You're the
Speaker 1: thirty five year old in the locker room, thirty whatever
Speaker 1: you are you're the old guy, and so you say, well,
Speaker 1: well is it Tank? Well, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a leader in the locker room.
Speaker 1: We think he is. I know that he comes out
Speaker 1: and he says great stuff. But how many people are
Speaker 1: across the board, not just his guys up front, his
Speaker 1: capadres up front as hot boys up front, But what
Speaker 1: are the guys in the back end saying? Are they
Speaker 1: are they beating to a different drum? And so you're
Speaker 1: you're kind of always looking around and saying, where do
Speaker 1: we get where do where do we get this from?
Speaker 1: Where do we get our our our passion from? I
Speaker 1: look at teams like you know, when you when you
Speaker 1: talking about the Ravens, when you had a guy like
Speaker 1: ray Lewis. Now, I'm I'm not saying that you have
Speaker 1: to have a guy who's a Hall of famer, But
Speaker 1: when you had a guy like that, when he spoke,
Speaker 1: everybody in the room listened and it was I'm not
Speaker 1: telling something that to tell you what I'm telling something's
Speaker 1: going to help us all and how to help us all?
Speaker 1: You know, I know that there's players who I personally
Speaker 1: know who would say about the legendary film sessions that
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis or that ed Ree would put on because
Speaker 1: they were saying, like, listen, here's what we gotta be
Speaker 1: fellas this on us. We either got to improve, we
Speaker 1: got to hold this thing down. And so they would
Speaker 1: take the time out. And I know this year is
Speaker 1: different in a way, but I don't see guys on
Speaker 1: this team doing that. I don't see guys to being
Speaker 1: able to speak up on the matter. And it really
Speaker 1: be it really drive home to every single guy on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. And that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: And so now you're trying to you're trying to set
Speaker 1: a temperature for a side of the ball, and you
Speaker 1: got all these different gauges and none of them are
Speaker 1: connecting at the same time that you you you have
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: the brands and all that kind of stuff. This team
Speaker 1: has to find a way to get football players football players,
Speaker 1: like that's legit football players. Because you have a lot
Speaker 1: of guys who love football and love the game, but
Speaker 1: you also have a lot of guys who love what
Speaker 1: the game gives them, who love what football brings them.
Speaker 1: And when you have too many of those who just
Speaker 1: love what football brings them and not a love guys
Speaker 1: who love the game of football. That's when you start
Speaker 1: having this off kilter type situation going on, and you
Speaker 1: have historically bad sides of the ball, or you have
Speaker 1: a position group that is not performing to the level
Speaker 1: you needed to perform to. I think this team has
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who don't love football, but a
Speaker 1: lot of guys, and not all of them. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying all of them, but there's a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: and there's enough key eyes who play a large majority
Speaker 1: of snaps who love what the game gives them. And
Speaker 1: when you have that, you'll never have success. I don't
Speaker 1: care how hard you try, I don't care how You'll
Speaker 1: never have success when you have a group of men
Speaker 1: on your team that are significant contributors to offense or
Speaker 1: to defense or to special teams, when they love what
Speaker 1: football brings and gives and they don't love the game.
Speaker 1: Because those guys are not gonna give it up for you.
Speaker 1: Those guys are not gonna put the time in for you.
Speaker 1: Those guys are not gonna sacrifice for you. They'll do
Speaker 1: a little bit, they'll do just enough, but that that
Speaker 1: that just enough will get you to the game, it
Speaker 1: won't win you the football game. And this is why
Speaker 1: you've seen what you've seen from this football team this year.
Speaker 1: Too many guys love what the game gives them, not
Speaker 1: a guy. Not enough guys love the game of football. Yep.
Speaker 1: It's like the guy in the gym that wants to
Speaker 1: walk around in the in the in the in the
Speaker 1: tank top that says beast mode, but he wants to
Speaker 1: go walk on the treadmill for twenty minutes and leave
Speaker 1: and hit the shower. Yeah, you want, you want the shirt.
Speaker 1: You want to put it on Instagram, you want to
Speaker 1: put it on social media, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: put in the work to get the body that that
Speaker 1: that that you advertising. So and I with you. Jesse, Nate,
Speaker 1: Kurt Jesse. Yes, we could do this. We could do
Speaker 1: this for three hours today. Man. We Luckily we got
Speaker 1: another show on Thursday. Tune in to cross Talk tonight
Speaker 1: where our special alumni guests. Tonight will be the the
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Speaker 1: We'll be walking a treadmill between the bits. Three out
Speaker 1: of eight Problem two Tonight, seven o'clock, Dallas, Cowboys dot Com,
Speaker 1: all of our social channels, one of Jesse love you guys,
Speaker 1: Man Kurt good stuff, Nate, great stuff, Chris Bean. Thanks
Speaker 1: for keeping us on the air. Sorry we're late. We'll
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