1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit unimpressed of the discipline and the 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: training level of the Russian forces. As bad and as 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: terrific as it is, we want to make sure that 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: we do not see an escalation. Bloomberg sound On Politics, 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Policy and perspective from DC's top name. My senses the 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: commodity first who were made very high, elevated certainly over 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: the next year, but it's probably first half the year. 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: You Republicans want to give democratic victory on getting public 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: China on a political basis, the answer is no. Bloomberg 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The War 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: in Ukraine enters Week three. Welcome to the fastest hour 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: in politics as we bring you the latest from Warsaw 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: to Washington. With no deal to provide MEGS to Ukraine, 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: but billions of dollars in financial assistance moving through Congress 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: on the way to keep we'll talk about that and 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: funding the government before tomorrow Night's deadline with Congressman Kevin Brady, 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Republican from Texas, ranking member on the House Ways and 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: Means Committee. Can anything else pass Congress this year? We'll 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: ask Bill Hoagland coming up, Senior vice president at the 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Bipartisan Policy Center. And as the White House now warns 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: of a possible chemical attack in Ukraine, another false flag, 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: they say, we're gonna hear from the panel on this 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: and the missing MiGs. And thanks for being with us 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Sound On. We have a lot to talk about. 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 1: We're gonna start here domestically in Washington, inside the bubble. 27 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna expand into Ukraine as we make our way 28 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: through the hour. Because it was a very late night 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill and there's not enough reporting on this. 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: The House passed a massive government funding bill. Lawmakers didn't 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: get out of there at about one o'clock in the morning. 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: Aid for Ukraine was included. Nothing for COVID response, though, 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: even after the White House asked for twenty two billion 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: dollars to pay for COVID testing and treatments. It's now 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: onto the Senate with this bill with a goal of 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: getting it done by tomorrow night. That is where we 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: begin right now with Texas Congressman Kevin Bray, the ranking 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: member of the House Ways and Means Committee. Congressman, welcome 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: back to Bloomberg Joe, thanks for having me appreciate it well, 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: I know you had a late night last night, so 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: I appreciate your hanging in there for us. Today you 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: passed a one and a half trillion dollar omnibus budget 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: in the House, you passed billions in aid for Ukraine. 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: Do you believe the Senate will do the same before 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: the deadline Friday night? You know, I, you know, I 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: do expect him. That the negotiations for the incorporators were 47 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: with the House and the Senate a corporations, both Republicans 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: and Democrats. So I think they've got a package that 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: they've agreed on for me. You know, certainly, even building 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: upon the defense increases on President Trump, this budget does 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: even more in the military, which we're going to need. 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Our world has become dramatically more dangerous here in the 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, and so I think that was critical. 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: I also think, you know, getting Ukraine relief now, getting 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: those dollars allocated was was awfully important to me as 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: as well. And then of course yesterday or last night, 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: late last night as well, I think Commas took a 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: big step in both parties working together in agreement to 59 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: immediately banned purchases of Russian energy. I think that's really crucial. 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this disagreement over COVID 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: funding that held up the bill for a little bit. 62 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: It was eventually stripped completely out of the legislation. The 63 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: White House Congressman is now warning of severe consequences. They 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: say the nation's testing capacity will begin to drop this month. 65 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: The supply of monoclonal antibody treatments will run out in May, 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: anti viral pills will run out in September. We know 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: there could be another variant on the horizon. I just 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: wonder if you're concerned about weakening our response to COVID, 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: because if the White House comes back for another ask, 70 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom here is the answer will be known. Well. 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: There was strong support from Republicans and Democrats for more 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: COVID really focused really on what we think the administration 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: took draw out the ball on new testing treatments and THERAPI. 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: The problem is that, you know, the most progressive in 75 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: the House balked at paying for that COVID relief, and 76 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: the way both Republicans and Democrats had proposed it together 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: was to repurpose some of the money that wasn't yet 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: allocated from the last nearly two trillion dollar COVID students. 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: It seemed like a fiscally responsible way to do it. 80 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Both parties agreed on it, but there was a small 81 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: group in the House on the progressive side that balked 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: at it. So, you know, I think the White House 83 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: needs to work together with both parties and Congress. There's 84 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: absolute support for this. Apparently there's this disagreement amongst some 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: how to pay for it. But you would support passing 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: some version of that COVID funding if it came up 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: as an individual item. I think that makes a good sense. 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: The package that was proposed by both parties to be 89 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: voted on, I thought was pretty talent. You mentioned the 90 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: banning of Russian oil. Congressman, You've been calling for more 91 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: drilling in Texas since long before a war broke out 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Now that the Biden administration is calling for 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: increased domestic production, it's been fascinating to see the response. 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: A lot of drillers are saying no, they don't want 95 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: to get burned by another glut of crude oil. Is 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: it time to incentivize US drillers to produce more? Well? 97 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: I think they frankly, they are eager to produce more 98 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: in the US, to ship more and pipelines, to refine 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: more in the US and get that out to the 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: regions that need that, especially the regions that have become 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable and dependent on the Russian oil. That 102 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: would be the Northeast and the in the in the northwest. 103 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: There the challenge has been that this administration has just 104 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: erected one barrier after another on more American made energy. 105 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: And certainly I think, uh, not just drillers, but you 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: see the pipeline and and finding area where administration is 107 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: just red light, don't do any more production here, and 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: so I think they're they have good reason to pause. 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: But frankly, uh, my biggest frustration with ending, immediately ending 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: purchases of Russian oil is administration is telling us they 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: are not going to accept more US production. They are 112 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: going to Venezuela, Iran, and Saudi Arabia for more. All 113 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: yet we had the cleanest oil and gas produced in 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: the world, So it's been very frustrating for it. Well, 115 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: the Energy Secretary was at the Syriweek conference in Houston 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: yesterday almost begging drillers to produce more saying it's a 117 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: time of war, that's the patriotic thing to do. You 118 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: know that that seems to be pretty disingenuous this administrator. 119 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: I've never seen an attack on American Maine energy like 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: we've we've seen from this White House midst of all 121 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: the government attack on it. So I think that, um, 122 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: you just don't buy it a very hypocritical yees statement. 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: We dedicated a good chunk of the program to this 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: issue last night Congress when we focused Sentator Bill Cassidy 125 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: about his call for Operation Warp Speed for US energy. 126 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: After the White House pointed to the nine thousand unused 127 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: drilling permits that the President mentioned the other day, Senator 128 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: Cassidy says, it's not as simple as that. There's a 129 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of red tape they are not acknowledging. And it 130 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: turns out it's not as simple as what we're hearing 131 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: from either side here. You know about this business, What 132 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: did drillers need to start using those permits? What red 133 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: tape needs to be cleared out at first? They do 134 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: need permits to go forward. There's environmental permits, not just 135 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: actually having the least itself. The administration is shut down. 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: That pretty significantly. You've got to know when you pull 137 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: something out of the ground that you can get it 138 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: to a refiner. So those pipelines are crucially important. As 139 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, the presidents shut down Keystone, which alone could 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: have with Canadian oil, completely replaced all the oil we 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: get from Russia. You know that that's a problem as well. 142 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: And of course, financing administration continues to really kind of 143 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: step on the air hose on how you finance more 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: production exploration in America, and without that, it's really tough 145 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: to go forward. Well, we're having this conversation against the 146 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: backdrop of the highest inflation that we have seen in 147 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: a couple of generations, a new number out this morning, 148 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and the CPI that has a lot of folks concerned. 149 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: You can see the reaction today was immediate in the markets. 150 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: This White House has been talking about inflation for months now, 151 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: got CEOs together to talk about supply chains. They're trying 152 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: to get the chip back passed, They're trying to lower 153 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: energy prices. It's been said that this is a global problem. 154 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: How does the President of the United States address it 155 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: for Americans? Yeah, unfortunately, America is leading the globe. We 156 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: have the highest inflation of of all the developed economies 157 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: by a significant margin. And in this report this morning 158 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: marks a full year of raging inflation in the US. 159 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: It's really crushing families and small businesses, and our estimation 160 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: it's wiped out three years of wage games for average Americans. 161 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: I get frustrated, honestly, and continues to blame everybody but 162 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: his own policies, but it's clear disinflation took off the 163 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,239 Speaker 1: passage of his two trillion dollar COVID stimulus and without 164 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: getting workers back, you know, and reconnected with his effort 165 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: to even more fuel UH inflation with more government spending. 166 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: I worry you're going to see more of this. A 167 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: lot of this, of course, had to do with the pandemic, 168 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: not just the spending UH to to respond to the pandemic, 169 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: but the rampant demand that we've seen that's really kind 170 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: of up ended a lot of traditional economic scenarios here. 171 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: That's confounding a lot of pretty smart people. Congressman is 172 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: getting more people back to work and getting wage inflation 173 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: under control part of the solution. I think it's a 174 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: key part of it. Perhaps not all, but I would 175 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: say that is the major initiative we should be undertaking 176 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: because the truth is we don't have the workers to 177 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: man the production lines, to semble the products, even deliver 178 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: those products. That's drive, that's not just supply chain, is 179 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: driving up those prices in a big way. And so 180 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: the biggest thing we could do is reconnect workers to 181 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: the workforce. We're starting the good news, we're starting to 182 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: see some of that. In last month's jobs report, we 183 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: had a we had a good number I think in 184 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: in in big part because those COVID emergency programs you know, 185 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: have ended, so people know they need to reconnect. I 186 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: think that's been incredibly helpful. And my my recommendation is, look, 187 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: stop spending all this frivolous money on different issues and 188 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: lots of subsidies for for the wealthy, and let's focus 189 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: on how we reconnect more workers, how we attract more workers. 190 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: We may even need to expand some of our visa 191 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: programs and make sure we've got tould use the global 192 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: workforce to help us solve these issues. Congressman Kevin Brady, 193 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Republican from Texas, ranking member the House Ways and Means Committee, 194 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: we thank you, as always for your time today on Bloomberg. 195 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so take care. So the House passed the twelve 196 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: bill spending package we were talking about. It would boost 197 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: a non defense discretionary spending six point seven percent. Defense 198 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: spending would go up five point six percent, And did 199 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: you hear it includes earmarks for the first time since 200 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: they were banned in House. Leaders attached thirteen point six 201 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: billion in Ukraine eight to that package. And as we 202 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: referred to the COVID money came out that was over 203 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: fifteen billion dollars. So coming up, we turned to an 204 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: insider for a sense of where Congress goes from here. 205 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Can anything else get past in a mid term election year? 206 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: I know it's a big question. How about that COVID 207 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: money as well? Last Bill Hoagland to the Bipartisan Policy Center. 208 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: Coming up next on Bloomberg Sound On, I'm Joe Matthew 209 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: in Washington. Glad you're with us as we get things rolling. 210 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: We will be joined by the Signature Panel in the 211 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: second half hour, Rick and Jeanie with a lot in 212 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: store there and traffic and weather and the markets coming 213 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: up next. Stay with us. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: So no with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. At least 215 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the lights will not be going out tomorrow night, and 216 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: to think no one even threatened the government shutdown? Are 217 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: we just giving up on opportunities now? We'll take the 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: winds as we get them. Things have changed a lie 219 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: since Bill Hoagland was working in the United States Senate. 220 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: He was Director of Budget and Appropriations in the office 221 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist. He's now Senior vice 222 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: president of Bipartisan Policy Center. Bill. Thank you for coming back. 223 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: Should we assume that the funding bills that passed the 224 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: House last night will pass the Senate tonight and we 225 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: won't talk about this again until next year? Yeah? Uh, 226 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: there's a thank you. Yes, I think they all pass. 227 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's gonna pass this evening. There's some 228 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: shenanigans going on on the United States Senate Florida. Surprise, surprise. Uh. 229 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: One of the senator, Senator Scott wants to pull out 230 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: the funding for the Ukraine money emergency fourteen billion from 231 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: this what we call omnibus package. And he's he's holding 232 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: up the consideration of this full bill until he pulls 233 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: it out, and he thinks he can pull it out. 234 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: Trouble is that um um Mr Schumer does not want 235 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: that to happen, and so we're gonna we're gonna pass it. 236 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna pass at some point here, but it may 237 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: be tomorrow before they actually get it done, as typical 238 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: right up to the bitter end tomorrow before they would 239 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: actually face a government shutdown. But I don't expect a 240 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: government shutdown, No, not at all. They did pass the 241 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: CR just to be super wonky for a second in 242 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: case they didn't get it by the deadlines, a four 243 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: day continuing resolutions. So if you hear a headline to 244 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Borro and I you know, the government's not going to 245 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: shut the on. They'll figure this out in the next 246 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: few days. Uh. Speaker Pelosi had to strip billions of 247 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: dollars out in COVID response funding to get this passed 248 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: because some lawmakers were upset to learn, essentially, without going 249 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: too deep into this, some money already given the states 250 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: would be clawed back to pay for this. Governors didn't 251 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: like that. Lawmakers didn't like it, and so they took 252 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: it all out bill. The White House says, this is 253 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: a big problem, it's an urgent need. Here's Press Secretary 254 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Jensaki talking about what the fallout will be because of 255 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: this money. Not being passed, and March testing capacity would 256 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: will decline this month. In April, free testing and treatments 257 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: for tens of millions of Americans without health insurance will end. 258 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: In May, America's supply of monoclonal antibodies will run out. 259 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: So failing to take action now will have severe consequences 260 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: for the American people. Severe consequences. Bill Um, do you 261 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: suspect there'll be another round on this or does the 262 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: administration need to prepare to end these COVID programs. I 263 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: expect there will be another round on this. Uh, this 264 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: is that this will go on. The money that was 265 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: taken out. It was a fifteen billion dollar emergency package 266 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: for COVID that was open above the one point five 267 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: which is the total amount one point five trillion for 268 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: the total package. And yes, you're right, this is both 269 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: Democrats and some Republicans who were opposed to paying for 270 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: this fifteen billion through such things as seven billion dollars 271 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: reduction in state and local relief funds that are out there, 272 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: or even a hundred billion dollars for higher That was 273 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: an American recovery plan for higher education. So it was 274 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: a bipartisan upset nous if you like, about the how 275 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: how they were paying for it. But but this is 276 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: not going to go away. I do believe that, UH, 277 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: we will have a continuation of debate on additional funding 278 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: necessary for COVID as we get to go for We're 279 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: not out of this, UH, as you know, we're not 280 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: out of this completely yet, and we don't know what 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: the situation may be down the road. So I think 282 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: we have to be prepared, and I do believe we'll 283 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: have another round at this. Well. It's interesting because this 284 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: is the hard question. Right, whether it's COVID funding or 285 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: something else, it's going to get more difficult. So goes 286 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: UH the conventional wisdom in a midterm election year to 287 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: get anything past it is not one long of significance 288 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: bill that you see moving through Capitol Hill after this 289 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: budget process is done. Or should lawmakers kind of go home. No, 290 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: they shouldn't go home. There's still plenty of work for 291 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: them to do, a particularly focusing on the UH Competitiveness Bill, 292 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: which is a bipartisan bill. You see what we call 293 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: it that this is the one that has bipartisan support. 294 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: Was I believe Mr Schumer and Mr Todd Young Republican 295 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Democrats supported and the Senate it past the House. Uh No, 296 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: that's that's going to be an important issue. I also 297 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: honestly don't believe, unfortunately that we've seen the end of 298 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: additional funding needed for the unfortunate situation in the crane today. 299 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: There was of course some money put in here, but 300 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: to for the Ukraine fourteen billion dollars. But remember even 301 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: in the in the Afghanis stand and fundings that we 302 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: had back there, we were talking in nearly sixty billion dollars. 303 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna have another round before it's 304 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: all over with. Uh. And then I still think, listen, 305 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm I want to be optimistic about this. I know 306 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: quote built back better is probably not as it was. 307 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: But there's still a movement here to try to do 308 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: something on prescription drugs or something to do and as 309 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: it relates still to childcare. Uh And so there may 310 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: be still an opportunity here that you don't throw away 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: a reconciliation bill. It only requires fifty one votes in 312 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: the Senate. You don't throw that away. Uh Willy nilly. 313 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: You keep it around and work on it to get 314 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: to the point where you have fifty one votes for 315 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: some package and I still think that's happened. Well, it's 316 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: not just the mid term season that's challenging all of 317 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: this stuff. It's the prospect of continued rising inflation. You 318 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: saw the cp I this morning, Bill, This makes the 319 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 1: request a lot more difficult. You know, when you have 320 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion, uh, sir, only as part of the Democratic Caucus. 321 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: Does does that CPI number today mean that that this 322 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: omnibus is the last trillion dollar expenditure that will see 323 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: this year, the last attempt at a massive piece of legislation, 324 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, something of that scale or size. Yes, Just 325 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: let's remember this is a package which is funding the 326 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: underlying government operations of the the twelve appropriation bills that 327 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: were required done every year. So but I do agree 328 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: with you, you're not going to see another major package 329 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: this year of this of that magnitude, and certainly not 330 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: going to see that even if there is something that's 331 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: worked out on what however they defined build back better, 332 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: Bill Hogling. Great to speak with you, as always from 333 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: the Bipartisan Policy Center. We'll see if more sanctions are 334 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: coming there. We're gonna assemble the panel next on Bloomberg 335 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg Broadcasting line 336 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: from our nation's capital, Bloomberg to New York, Bloomberg eleven, 337 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Frio to Boston, Bloomberg one six one of San Francisco, 338 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg nine six to the country serious x M General 339 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: one nine and around the globe, the Bloomberg Business app 340 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: and Bloomberg Radio dot Com. This is Bloomberg Sound On 341 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew. The MiGs will state parts in Poland. 342 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: Controversial deal to provide fighter jets to Ukraine is now off. 343 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: The White House says not worth the risk, The Pentagon 344 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: said no. Republicans on Capitol Hill say it's not too 345 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: late to do the right thing. We're gonna take it 346 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: to the panel and figure this out with Rick and Jennie. 347 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors, and thanks for being with us on 348 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 349 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: We've been talking about the MiGs. Russian made MiG twenty 350 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: nine jets slated for transfer to Ukraine. Poland made the offer, 351 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: apparently not in concert with the Biden administration, and things 352 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: got squirrely. If you listen to this broadcast, you've been 353 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: hearing the daily drip on this. A lot of concerns 354 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: about where they would come from, who would refuel them, 355 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: how would they be rearmed, and would it represent an 356 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: act of war enough for Russia to get into a 357 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: direct confrontation with the US. White House said this could 358 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: be the beginning of World War three if it was 359 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: done wrong. So the Pentagon said, no, we're not going 360 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: to get the jets. A group of Republicans on Capitol 361 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: Hill today, specifically in the Senate, including Mitt Romney, not 362 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: pleased holding a news conference to urge the White House 363 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: to get back in the game here and give Ukraine 364 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: the jets that President Zelenski requested. Here's Mit Romney. Some say, well, 365 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: this might be a provocative. My goodness, Russia has invaded 366 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: a land in an unprovoked place. This is extraordinary that 367 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: we're worried about that. By the way, we're not going 368 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: to stop the killing in Ukraine until we in NATO 369 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: fear putin lesson he fears us. It's time for here 370 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: to fear him, to fear what we might do. That 371 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: quote has been resonating in Washington day time. For him 372 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: to fear what we might do. Senator Joni Ernst of 373 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: Iowa was there with Mitt Romney. The administration claims the 374 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: reason they blocked this transfer is a concern about escalation. Really, 375 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is aware that American provided stingers are killing 376 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Russians today, and our president knows that too. America should 377 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: be doing everything we can, short of boots on the 378 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: ground or in the air, to protect Ukraine. This was 379 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: all brought to White House Press Secretary Jansaki, who held 380 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: the White House Briefing a short time later. What our 381 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: assessment is based on is how to prevent a world 382 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: war here, Peter, which is a significant um weight that 383 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: the intelligence community, the Defense Department, and the President of 384 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: the United States weighs at every moment in time. And 385 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: so we assemble the panel for their take on all this. 386 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis, they were 387 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: by the way talking to Pete Alexander, the NBC News 388 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: reporter in the White House briefing room. What do you 389 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: make of this, Rick, We've talked it up and down. 390 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Has the administration made the right decision or or should 391 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: it in fact review what's just happened now? This is 392 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: like shades of the Red Line and the Obama administration. Right, 393 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, if they if they killed two hundred thousand 394 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: civilians in Syria, then maybe will you know, draw the 395 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: red line? How many dead people in Ukraine are going 396 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: to have to be accounted for before we actually start 397 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: playing this as what it is. It's a war of extinction. 398 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin is fighting a war of extinction in Ukraine, 399 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: and our administration just took a position that we didn't 400 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: want to escalate. Well, how much can you escalate a 401 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: war of extinction? So this is just a practical thing. 402 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: They're not our jets, they're Pollen's jets. They're not our pilots, 403 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: their Ukrainian pilots. It's not our fuel, it's their fuel. 404 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I really think they're making a 405 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: lot more out of this than they need to give 406 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: Zelinski the tools he needs to repel an unnecessary attack 407 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: on freedom. Well, Genie, the White House would say this 408 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: is about saving American lives, that we don't want to 409 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: expand this into a war involving NATO is. Would that 410 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: have been a path to, as Jen Psaki said, world 411 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: War three? If we give these jets to Ukraine, it 412 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: could be and and to Rick's point, and to the 413 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: Senator's point, you know, almost everything we do and say, 414 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: put In says right out front is provocative and it's 415 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: going over the line. You know, somebody said, if we 416 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: put a butter knife there, he's gonna say it's provocative. 417 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: So that is that is a very real criticism. But 418 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: I think, you know, in fairness, the White House and 419 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: the military said more than that. They also raised the 420 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: very real question of what this would in fact achieve, 421 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: whether it could be at all effective, and if there 422 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: were other ways to help Ukraine. And I do think, 423 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about this earlier two things. 424 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: Number One, I get very nervous when Congress starts getting 425 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: in the position of giving military advice and strategy. I 426 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: do think that is beth left to the military in 427 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the Pentagon. They are there for oversight for funding in 428 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: those things. Um. The other part of this, though, is 429 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: I also think there's a real question here as to 430 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: whether this would have in fact ben done if the 431 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: EU Foreign Affairs Chief hadn't talked about it publicly. Well, 432 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: that's right, it did come out of the blue there, 433 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: and Poland of course acted without consulting the White House 434 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: in making its offer, But why did it have to 435 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: go through Germany? Genie, just send your jets if you 436 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: want to send well, that's I was just going to 437 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: raise that, you know, And then they did this sort 438 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: of surprise announcements, Oh, it's okay, We're gonna send it 439 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: to Ramstein Air Base, at which point the Chancellor of 440 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: Germany said, absolutely not, You're not coming here. So you know, 441 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: part of this is yes, Poland to ricks point, can 442 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: do what it wants with its own jets, but the 443 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: United States also has to have a position here. It's 444 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: hard to say no to Zelensky. I get that, but 445 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: I think the military chiefs should be listened to and 446 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: respected in some of this. Rick Ginnie is right, she's 447 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: talking about this the conclusion of our intelligence communities. Apparently 448 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: these maigs wouldn't have helped a lot. This is kind 449 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: of another uh rationale that's been added to the risk involved. 450 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: Here's how Jensaki put Adding aircraft to the inventory is 451 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: not likely to significantly change the effectiveness of the Ukrainian 452 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Air Force relative to Russian capabilities. The Ukrainian Air Force 453 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: has several squadrons of fully emission capable aircraft. Or are 454 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: they changing their tune on this rick. I mean, if 455 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: Zelenski says he needs them, does it matter what the 456 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: Pentagon thinks. Yeah, Just to put this in perspective, it's 457 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: not a bunch of senators making this decision. It's the 458 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: president of the country that's under assault by an invader 459 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: who is saying, give me the jets. So you've got 460 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: to have some confidence that Zelenski knows how to fight 461 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: the war that is at his doorstep. And if Zelenski 462 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: thinks it's a good idea, I think we need to 463 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: think it's a good idea because the one thing that 464 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: you do not want to be in the position of 465 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: is being penny wise and pound foolish that we're gonna 466 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: sit there and say, oh no, we don't think you 467 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: need jets. And then something bad happens, and and and 468 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: and Zelinsky is forced into exile and the Russians take 469 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: over Ukraine. And it wasn't you know, and we're standing 470 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: there with a bunch of jets. It could have been 471 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: employed in the in the fight. We don't know what 472 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the tipping point is. We are learning every day as civilians, uh, 473 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, watching you know, these these new shows about 474 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: a war that's happening in real time. And what we 475 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: do know is that the we need to support the Ukrainians, 476 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: and if the Ukrainians say they need those jets, I 477 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: think we need to do everything we can post haste 478 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: to get jets to the Ukrainians. Spending time with Rick 479 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: and Jeanie for this half hour, as we hear another 480 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: warning about a false flag operation. Did you see the 481 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: thread that Jensaki tweeted last night about a chemical weapons attack? 482 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: We heard from the intelligence chiefs testifying again today on 483 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill about this very matter, and we'll talk about 484 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: it next on sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. 485 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. You Sound on with Joe Matthew 486 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. The White House Press Secretary takes to 487 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: Twitter to warn of a possible Russian chemical attack against Ukraine. 488 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: See the thread. It's a long one. Jen Psaki tweetsweet 489 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: took note of Russia's false claims about alleged US biological 490 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: weapons labs and chemical weapons development in Ukraine. She goes 491 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: on to right now that Russia has made those claims, 492 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: we should all be on the lookout for Russia. To 493 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: possibly use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine or to 494 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: create a false flag operation using them. She was pressed 495 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: if she had evidence for such an attack during today's 496 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: White House press briefing. Here's Jen Saki. The main issue 497 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: that prompted my Twitter thread yesterday was that Russia has 498 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: a history also of inventing outright lies like this, which 499 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: is the suggested ustin that the United States has a 500 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 1: chemical and biological weapons program or Ukraine does that they're operating. 501 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: Russia is the one, is the country that has a 502 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: chemical and biological Jensaki from earlier at the White House. 503 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: The nation's intelligence chiefs were also asked about it. The 504 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: headline on the terminal US bi chiefs reject Russia's claims 505 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: of Ukraine bio weapons. Here's Abril Haines, Director of National 506 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: and Intelligence, testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Marco 507 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: Rubio asking questions, does Ukraine have any biological weapons research facilities? No, 508 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: let me be clear, we do not assess that Ukraine 509 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: is pursuing either biological weapons or nuclear weapons, which have 510 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: been some of the uh Basically the propaganda that Russia 511 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: is putting out and this follows a pattern that we 512 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: have seen with the U. S. Intelligence community putting out 513 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: information as soon as they have it as some form 514 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: of deterrent, and it's actually been working in many cases, 515 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: is particularly in the early part of this conflict, when 516 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: Russia was engaging in false flag operations. We reassemble the 517 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: panel now for more on this with Bloomberg Politics contributors 518 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis Genie. Is this the way 519 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: it should go? With the White House Press secretary tweeting 520 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: false claims as soon as they arrive in the hands 521 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: of American intelligence, It's certainly a new way to way 522 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: a war and it has to go this way. And 523 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: I think another really chilling aspect of this story is 524 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: the fact that China has joined Russia in making these 525 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: false claims. You know, the Foreign Minister a couple of 526 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: times now has accused the United States of being engaged 527 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: in the building of biological and chemical weapons, and when 528 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: asked about it, he has doubled down on that. So 529 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: while China has wanted to sort of turn away from 530 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: what is happening in Ukraine, it has not turned away 531 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: from this information war in joining Russia, and that is 532 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: a very very scary proposition. CIA director William Burns also 533 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: testified during the hearing. This is something as as all 534 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: of you know very well, as very much a part 535 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: of Russia's playbook. They've used those weapons against their own citizens. Um, 536 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: they've at least encouraged the use in Syria and elsewhere. 537 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: So it's something we take very seriously. I'm sure you 538 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: take it seriously, Rick Davis. Is it's something that you 539 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: expect to see with that not we talk about war crimes, 540 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: we're hearing allegations of war crimes. Would that not escalate 541 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: things beyond what we've seen yet? Certainly? Would I mean 542 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: the use of biological or weapons of mass destruction or 543 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: an additionally huge charge. And we've been talking about escalation 544 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: all this time. You know, what is the Western uh 545 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: community's response to use of weapons of mass destruction? Uh? 546 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: You know, we we made the mistake a few years ago. 547 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: And I hate to go back to Syria again, but 548 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: we actually allowed Vladimir Putin to be in charge of 549 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: a stockpile of weapons of as destruction that the Assad 550 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: regime had. You know, remember brock Well, we've put it. 551 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Russians are there and they're gonna take care of those things. 552 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: And then they used them against the people of Syria. 553 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: And so, I I think one of the things too, 554 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: I was watching the John Kirby UM press conference, the 555 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: spokesman for the Defense Department, and these are fascinating and 556 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: press we're asking him about this yesterday and he asked me, 557 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: He's like, are you serious? Do I have to answer 558 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: that question? Are you now just aping Russian propaganda? I mean, so, 559 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a piece on this that we have 560 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: to think about, and that is how is the press 561 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: handling this? Because there is no free press in Russia, right, 562 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: Russians are only hearing what the propagandists are giving them. 563 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: And and yet are we chasing around the propaganda that 564 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: the Russians are sticking out and the Chinese is Genie 565 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: says um uh and and treating it as if you know, 566 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: it's equal to fact. And so I think those are 567 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that that I think we have 568 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: to deal with as a modern war community, where uh, 569 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: we have an opponent in Russia who are willing to 570 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: say and do anything to support what what they're doing. 571 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: That the latest claims on the bombing of the maternity 572 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: ward in the hospital, uh oh no, these these weren't 573 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: pregnant women. They it was a battalion of terrorists. And 574 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's outrageous. And so I think 575 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: we've got to call him out. And I think the 576 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: administration strategy of moving our intelligence community out there is smart, 577 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: but we also have to look insurde inside and say, hey, 578 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: should we even be reporting this kind of propaganda? Well? 579 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: Should then the Press secretary not have tweeted that last night? Rick, 580 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious for your take on that, because 581 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: some suggested that that putting all of this stuff out 582 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: about a false flag operation, letting people know in advance 583 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: what they were hearing about Russian intelligence, was actually a 584 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: deterrent or are you suggesting otherwise? You know, I don't 585 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: I can't tell, right, I don't know if it's an 586 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: a turn to anything. I don't think anything we do 587 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: as a deterrent of Adimir Putin. Right, we put all 588 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: this stuff out about Vladimir Putin next week will be 589 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: invading um uh Ukraine, and and and everyone said at 590 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: the time, hey, this is brilliant. We're using intelligence to 591 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: uh to deter him. It did not deter him one 592 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: single day, right, He was always going to invade. He 593 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: did it on his timetable. He didn't care what we 594 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: said or did about it, and I think we don't 595 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: want to kid ourselves, right. Uh. We should be warning 596 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: him every single day about the conduct of this war. 597 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: We should be making diplomatic uh protestations in China today 598 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 1: for spreading falsehoods. Um, It's okay to call him out 599 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: on it, but like, let's let's actually try to take 600 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: actions that will either punish him immediately for it, like 601 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: new sanctions or or new weapons systems going to the 602 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: Ukraine that otherwise wouldn't be there if not for the 603 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: fact that he's now looking like he's setting up a 604 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: false flag event for for use of weapons of mass destruction. Jennie, 605 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: were at the three week mark today. When I hear 606 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: Rick talk like this, when I hear Mitt Romney, when 607 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: I hear Jonie er instant, I hear the calls to 608 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: do more, just send the jets, for instance, how long 609 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: can Joe Biden promise Americans that the United States military 610 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: will not be involved in this It is going to 611 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: be increasingly tough. I mean the maternity ward attack that 612 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: that Rick just mentioned. You see those devastating pictures were 613 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: surrounded by them seven on our cell phones and our iPhones, 614 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: and it becomes increasingly hard for the president to maintain 615 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: this pledge. I think he's going to try to do that. 616 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: Um And I would say, you know, another thing that 617 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: we haven't talked a lot about tonight, but I think 618 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: is very real in the near future is the threat 619 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: of a cyber attack, both in the United States and 620 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: in the West. And you know, one question that has 621 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: been asked at the administration has not responded to as 622 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: directly is the question of if there is an attack, 623 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: say on our transportation systems, oil, food, whatever it is, 624 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: are we going to respond with forces on the ground. 625 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: Then will the military get involved or does this have 626 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: to be military Russian military over the line in a 627 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: NATO country. Those are very real questions. And this sort 628 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: of silence on cyber so far from Russia is a 629 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: very scary proposition to many experts, because it can't be 630 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: but a matter of time before they use their skills 631 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: in cyber to launch some very devastating attacks in the West. Well, 632 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: so what do you think, Rick, Is it not just 633 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: a matter of time before the American military is somehow 634 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: involved here? If Vladimir Putin does not care about sanctions, 635 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: doesn't care about the strategy here of putting out intelligence 636 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: when the US receives it. What's going to keep him 637 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: from bombing a supply line creeping over the border in 638 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: uh In, in Poland or Moldova. It's just how realistic 639 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: is this approach? Well, first of all, two things. One, 640 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: if they do UH invade or attack anything in a 641 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: NATO country, then that's a different set of circumstances. Then 642 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: US troops will be involved, right and Germany troops will 643 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: be involved, and British troops will be involved. And that 644 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: is the rules of the road. That is why Vice 645 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: President Harris spoke out very clearly while she was in 646 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: country this morning and a speech she gave uh that 647 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: said Article five is Article five. We will stand by 648 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: that if there is one incursion, it will be dealt 649 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: with firmly and fiercely. So so that is one set 650 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: of circumstances. Can you keep US troops out of Ukraine? Certainly, 651 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: because the Ukrainian troops are proving to us that they 652 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: have the medal to fight Russia. We used to think, oh, 653 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: at the start of this, look at a hundred ninety 654 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: thousand troops of mass on the border. They'll roll into 655 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: Kievan two days you just said it. Three weeks later, 656 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: these guys are bogged down. The Ukrainians are are are 657 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: beating back some of these these troops, but if we 658 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: don't support them, that will not last. And it's only 659 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: if we can tip the balance with the Ukrainians on 660 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: the ground. Does this whole process of trying to get 661 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,479 Speaker 1: putting back to status quo anti gonna work? Rick Davis, 662 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: Jeannie Shenzano being faced with very difficult questions on a 663 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: daily basis here on the air, and I I love 664 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: talking with both of you and appreciate your insights. The 665 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: fact is there are no easy answers, although we do 666 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: ask them every night here on the fastest hour in politics.