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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Episode fifty six of the Hammer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Brad Rowland, coming to you after

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline on a Tuesday evening, and I enjoined

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Speaker 1: as an oftenom by Scott Coleman. Scott, I have not

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Speaker 1: talked about the big trade that happened on Monday, even

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Speaker 1: if the rest of my colleagues on this feed.

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Speaker 2: Have Hey, Brad, I hope you are doing well. I

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Speaker 2: hope you have been able to get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of rest. Not that we're going to talk about Brad's

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Speaker 2: travel plans, but you've been a very busy man for

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, and naturally, without any shadow

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Speaker 2: of a doubt, the Braves would make their big move

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Speaker 2: of the trade deadline at midnight Eastern time. You had

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Speaker 2: a pretty crazy day of travel. But hey, that's what

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Speaker 2: we're here for. It was a great show last night.

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Speaker 2: If folks did not listen with myself and Steven Talbert

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Speaker 2: and Sean Coleman, and I mean, there's still plenty to

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Speaker 2: talk about in this show even if there was not

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Speaker 2: another trade made today on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we should lead with that. We talked about it,

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Speaker 1: we talked around it. There was a fantastic show last night.

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Speaker 1: People should be listening to that, to be sure, and

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Speaker 1: it is all still very relevant at this point in

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Speaker 1: time for context for reaction. We'll hear more from Stephen

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Speaker 1: and Sean later on this week. We shall also stay

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Speaker 1: upside of the podcast that we are part of the

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Speaker 1: foul Territory network of podcasts. Please go ahead and subscribe

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Speaker 1: not only to this show, but definitely to the show,

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Speaker 1: definitely to the show on Apple, on Spotify, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: but also to all other foul Territory podcasts, including the

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Speaker 1: team podcasts and the national show over at foul Territory.

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Speaker 1: And look, Scott, we know this, brace fans, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure listening to this podcast right now know this. We're

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Speaker 1: actually recording this during the game, so we usually would

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Speaker 1: wait till after the game is over. But to be

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Speaker 1: kind and plain, everything that happened at the deadline is

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Speaker 1: just a bigger deal than what happens in the game

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday evening. Is something crazy happens, maybe we'll come back,

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Speaker 1: but try to get this podcast out as fast as possible.

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Speaker 1: Nothing happened today, And I wonder, broadly speaking, what you

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Speaker 1: think about that. Knowing that you already shared your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about so Layer and all that, and then we'll kind

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Speaker 1: of get back into like the broad strokes. But later

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Speaker 1: on the podcast we shoul also say we have some

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Speaker 1: audio from Alexandvaplos who spoke to the media today, and

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Speaker 1: we'll kind of go through all the machinations. But Scott,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling, you know, twenty four twenty eight whatever,

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Speaker 1: I guess less than twenty four hours, twenty hours away

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Speaker 1: from when the actual deal happened, and knowing that nothing

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Speaker 1: else really happened on Tuesday, So in.

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Speaker 2: Terms of the trade that did happen, I have grown

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Speaker 2: to like it even more than I did last night.

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Speaker 2: When we recorded deep into the night, I was pretty

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Speaker 2: surprised because Jorge Solaire was really not on anybody's radar

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Speaker 2: because he's been a designated hitter for the better part

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Speaker 2: of two years and I just didn't really envision him

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Speaker 2: coming over to be an outfielder. But as we've kind

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Speaker 2: of talked it through and tweeted through it and heard

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Speaker 2: a bit more from Alex and the team, I've come

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Speaker 2: to like the move even more. I'm very excited to

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Speaker 2: see what Jorge is going to be able to do

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Speaker 2: in the leadoff spot where he kind of struck gold

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Speaker 2: with the Braves during that twenty twenty one World Series run.

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Speaker 2: And he does a lot of things in this lineup

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Speaker 2: that isn't already happening. A ton gets on base at

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Speaker 2: a good clip, hits for power, which is not exclusive

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Speaker 2: to Jorge by any means, but it will be good

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Speaker 2: to get another bopper in there. And over the last month,

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Speaker 2: Solilaire has been as good as basically anybody in the

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Speaker 2: National League not named shohe Otani or Marcelo Zuna. At

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Speaker 2: the plate, he's been very, very good. He was heating up,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully that continues. And then in terms of Luke Jackson,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a worthwhile addition. The reliever trade market

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Speaker 2: today was crazy. There were overpays gold war for rental

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Speaker 2: drawing pretty heavy prospects in return. So overall, I like

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Speaker 2: the deal. I am not over the moon at this deadline.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping that there might be another second move

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Speaker 2: You know what, are they doing. I thought that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're on the same page. And you know,

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Speaker 1: said last night, because I found myself agreeing with it

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Speaker 1: I do think that that last part is important. You know,

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Speaker 1: part of our job is to give our opinions, it

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Speaker 1: also kind of analyze what's going on here, and I

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Speaker 1: do understand people maybe being a little bit underwhelmed within context.

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Speaker 1: I will always say, and I think Alex will say,

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Speaker 1: as we share his audio later on on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: that like, it's really hard to plug every hole in

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Speaker 1: your luster at once in a couple day period, and

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Speaker 1: the Braves have had all this injury, bad luck throughout

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Speaker 1: the season and all of that, and it would have

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Speaker 1: been hard to overhaul the role roster. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: like I understand having your hopes up too, and that

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Speaker 1: feel if this silaira move happened today versus yesterday. Kind

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Speaker 1: of the psychology of that, like, all right, they got

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Speaker 1: they did something. Can we do let's let's do some

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Speaker 1: more tomorrow, Alex, and they didn't do anything else. How

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Speaker 1: much of that plays into it. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that being underwhelming is okay. What I don't understand is

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Speaker 1: the negative reaction the way you put it there is

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Speaker 1: right that I've seen that too is basically Alex let

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Speaker 1: not really founded in reality. Je Soilaira was one of

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Speaker 1: the better players that change teams. In fact that I

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Speaker 1: have a prompt for you, Scott, because the people were

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Speaker 1: talking abouts on the line. This is not my original thought,

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Speaker 1: after looking at a little bit, that so lair might

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Speaker 1: have been the best hitter and I use hitter, not player.

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Speaker 1: Hitter who changed teams in the last few days. And

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Speaker 1: that might sound crazy, and there are guys who are

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Speaker 1: there's no one that I would say is definitely a

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Speaker 1: better hitter than Horace Hilaire that change teams. And if

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Speaker 1: you view it through that lens. Maybe that would change

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Speaker 1: the moving people's minds. And if you disagree with me,

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Speaker 1: like he's certainly on the short list, And I think

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Speaker 2: I think across all of Major League Baseball, for all

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Speaker 2: thirty teams, this trade deadline was far more quantity than quality,

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Speaker 2: and there really just were not a ton of super

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Speaker 2: big name stars who moved. And it's an interesting question

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Speaker 2: if Solaire was, if not the best bat, a top three,

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Speaker 2: that lineup, thinking Randy A. Roseina moved four or five

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Speaker 2: days ago, and he's been right over his career, He's

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Speaker 2: been fantastic, he's been down though in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I think Solaiir has better numbers on the whole than

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Speaker 2: a Rosorina does. Jesse Winker is a name who was

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Speaker 2: connected to the Braves quite a bit, a left handed

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Speaker 2: bat which would have been nice to add, although as

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Speaker 2: off the field concerns with Winker, but he's certainly in

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Speaker 2: the conversation as well. But I mean, look at Jorgestulaire's

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Speaker 2: track record. This is a guy who has mashed for

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Speaker 2: He was fantastic last year with the Marlins. He was

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Speaker 2: an All Star. I believe he had thirty six home runs,

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Speaker 2: And while he hasn't been quite that good in San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: I think the Braves are banking on him maybe being

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Speaker 2: Jorge was a top three bat to move, and if

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Speaker 2: obviously not accounting for the fact that there are some

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Speaker 1: About his defense for sure. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to credulously take everything that Alex says as gospel, because,

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Speaker 1: covering the NBA, like gms will lie to you like

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Speaker 1: it's not a situation where they are not they're not

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Speaker 1: under they're not under oath. They will tell you what

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Speaker 1: to circle back to the fact that you can only

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Speaker 1: go get the players who were actually on the market,

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Speaker 1: and that's it. We can kind of wish cast I

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Speaker 1: know all of us, I think all four of us

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Speaker 1: at different points mentioned Brandon Lau as a guy that

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Speaker 1: mean he wasn't available on some level, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: get moved some if he didn't get moved anywhere, if

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Speaker 1: a high batting average guy. You know, we're not batting

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Speaker 1: average guys on this podcast. I think getting on base

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Speaker 1: is more important than your batting average. Also slugging is

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Speaker 1: very important as well, And so Layer is immediately one

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Speaker 1: Last two seasons he is a three thirty seven OVP

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Speaker 1: and that's not incredible, but it's well above lyue average,

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Speaker 1: and this is a team that's really, really badly needed that.

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Speaker 1: Alex a little bit here. We talked around it a

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Speaker 1: few times, but I want to actually lead with some

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Speaker 1: audio from Alex, only a couple of clips that will

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Speaker 1: play for you, because we don't often do that, but

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Speaker 1: when he talks on deadline day, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: the best time to share some audio. He got asked

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Speaker 1: about basically, where are the brads even evaluated? The infield,

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Speaker 1: and he gave it a pretty like overarching answer about

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Speaker 1: the entire process. So here's what Alex had to say

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Speaker 1: about the whole process of what the restaurant at.

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Speaker 4: You know, we were looking at all kinds of things.

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Speaker 6: Deadline is short term, long term, every area, every position,

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Speaker 6: you're open minded on things, so we looked at all

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Speaker 6: kinds of things. Again, it's still a month plus out,

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Speaker 6: but we think Ozzie's trending early September to be back,

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Speaker 6: which should be great. Again, we're still far enough away

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Speaker 6: and we'll see how that goes. But you know, we'll

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Speaker 6: obviously use the players we have to try to get

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Speaker 6: through that. So you're never gonna fill every hole, and

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Speaker 6: obviously you can't backfill for all star caliber.

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Speaker 4: Players all over the place. You do your best.

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Speaker 6: But I think overall we're happy with our bullpen. I

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Speaker 6: think bullpen depth's clearly been important to us, and you know,

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Speaker 6: we like how our rotations performed so far as the

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Speaker 6: year has gone along. Look, the one area, I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's no secret that you know we wanted to upgrade.

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Speaker 4: It was from an.

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Speaker 6: Offensive standpoint, and getting both on base and pass were

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Speaker 6: priorities for us, so or hey's the best combination of

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Speaker 6: those two things and really use the best bad available

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Speaker 6: in our minds for what we look to do.

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Speaker 1: So in there you hear Alex say that Ozzy Albi's

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Speaker 1: is trending to be back in early September. That is notable.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's not like any day now, but still

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Speaker 1: relatively positive. I know, Stevens much of this is not

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Speaker 1: kind of thought the same as him. It's not a

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Speaker 1: guarantee that Ozzie comes back, but if they're believing that,

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Speaker 1: that's helpful in the planning purposes, because you could argue,

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Speaker 1: how many resources do you want to sort of invest

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Speaker 1: into a second basement for what could be five weeks

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Speaker 1: if Ozzie's back. I don't know if that is going

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Speaker 1: to be the case. Obviously, it's more of a guess.

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Speaker 1: But alas on that, and they also know it's basically

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Speaker 1: that they're happy with a bullpen and the rotation. He

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Speaker 1: did say later on they explored the rotation didn't get

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Speaker 1: close on that not a huge surprise, as you kind

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Speaker 1: of allude to there with Lopez and Freed getting positive updates.

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Speaker 1: The urgency level was there, but the focus was on offense,

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Speaker 1: and I mean does anything strike you as far as

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Speaker 1: like his overall approach you We'll play one more clip

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Speaker 1: later on about basically like what the office wanted to

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Speaker 1: do to kind of inspire the rest of the team

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Speaker 1: and let them know that they have their backs. But

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Speaker 1: anything strike you as far as like what he said

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Speaker 1: there is it feel It feels kind of obvious to me.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, Alex is just pretty candid today.

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Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, I would agree, And if they truly

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Speaker 2: feel that Ozzie Alby's is going to be back in

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Speaker 2: five weeks from now, then you know, it makes sense

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Speaker 2: that they wouldn't go out there and trade for a

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Speaker 2: second basement, because then all of a sudden, you don't

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Speaker 2: have a place for players to play. Maybe that's just

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Speaker 2: him being optimistic, and as you said, general managers are

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Speaker 2: not always completely truthful. But I didn't get the sense

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Speaker 2: that he was being a snake oil salesman today and

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Speaker 2: just trying to do lip service, because I mean, let's

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Speaker 2: face it, at the end of the day, Alex and

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Speaker 2: Thopoless is responsible for the overall success of this team.

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Speaker 2: And you know, as we kind of talked about earlier,

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Speaker 2: if a bunch of really good second basement and shortstop

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Speaker 2: had been moved today, then I would have probably been

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Speaker 2: a little more critical. But as these things go, some years,

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Speaker 2: certain positions are available, in other years they're not. This

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Speaker 2: was a pretty light year up the middle, and you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the rotation, it made sense, especially if

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Speaker 2: they feel confident that Freed and Lopez are going to

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Speaker 2: be able to pitch here pretty soon. I would imagine

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Speaker 2: that if that wasn't the case, if Rinaldo had to

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Speaker 2: be down for the rest of the season, or if

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Speaker 2: they were really concerned about Max's elbow, then maybe he

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Speaker 2: would have pushed a few chips in and tried to

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Speaker 2: add some depth to the bolt to the rotation. But no,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it would all kind of sounded like a

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Speaker 2: man who tried and checked on a few things. But

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you can't just force

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Speaker 2: a trade to force a trade. And as I think

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Speaker 2: we have talked about for weeks on the show now,

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Speaker 2: the Braves are ultimately going to go as far as

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Speaker 2: one injuries will allow them to, and two if some

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Speaker 2: of the internal options who have been underperforming start to

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Speaker 2: play a little better. And that was also Alex has

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Speaker 2: talked about quite a bit Yeah, he.

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Speaker 1: Didn't name names, nor would he ever do that, but

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Speaker 1: he certainly made it clear that you know they have

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Speaker 1: upside on their roster, which is his way of saying,

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Speaker 1: I think you know we have guys who have not

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Speaker 1: played the way they always play, and that's reasonable to say.

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Speaker 1: We've covered that ad nauseum on the podcast on so Laire.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you some notes here that Alex said,

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Speaker 1: rather than play all the audio Uncolaire, he talked about

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Speaker 1: seeking the combination of on base power and also makeup,

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Speaker 1: which the Braves always value, the makeup side of things,

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Speaker 1: club out side of things. He said that they value

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Speaker 1: not having some kind of research at all with Celaire.

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Speaker 1: They know what they're getting. They like him, they value

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Speaker 1: what he can do again getting on base and with

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Speaker 1: the power. And also Alex said pretty candidly that they

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Speaker 1: tried to target him a few times since he left.

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Speaker 1: The last time I think he said. He said they

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Speaker 1: actually got close at least twice to trading for Soilaire.

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Speaker 1: They did not pursue him in free agency, he said

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Speaker 1: this last winter for obvious reasons, they went out and

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Speaker 1: got Kilnicks, so they didn't really have that spot available

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Speaker 1: with Ronnie there and with Harris there. But he they've

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Speaker 1: obviously been tracking him very closely, and they're also again

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Speaker 1: encouraged by his ability to play the corner outfield spots,

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Speaker 1: the arm strength, and he called him an impact bat

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Speaker 1: like five different times, I mean literally five different times.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of all all on the solo front.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess other than the luxury tax thing, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I know you heard the idea like

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Speaker 1: I did. Alex was pretty defiant about the about the

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Speaker 1: luxury tax thing. There was some maybe not even reporting,

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Speaker 1: like there were some fans who looked at like fangrass

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Speaker 1: and this is not a Christis and we do the

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Speaker 1: same thing. We're tracking on those things, but people are

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Speaker 1: kind of panicking about the third competitive balance tax line.

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Speaker 1: Number one, Alex said plainly that they're not over that,

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Speaker 1: and I think he would obviously have a reason to

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Speaker 1: say that out loud. And number two, like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it really matters very much. I mean it just

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Speaker 1: I know there's some draft pick penalty if you are

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Speaker 1: over that line. But Alex was like, no, no, no, just

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Speaker 1: to correct, just to correct the record, we were under

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Speaker 1: that line, and we played a standup of that line.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, Alex has talked a few times over the

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Speaker 2: years about how they handle their budget internally and they

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Speaker 2: look at a total dollars spent versus what the luxury

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Speaker 2: tax thresholds are, and you know, it's it's Steven is

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Speaker 2: really good with this stuff. Maybe we'll have Steven come

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Speaker 2: on sometime and talk in depth about the implications of

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Speaker 2: being over a certain threshold with the luxury tax. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it made sense to I guess, stay under

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Speaker 2: that top threshold if you can. I also got the sense,

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Speaker 2: based on what Alex was saying that if the right

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Speaker 2: deal came together and they went over that threshold, then

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Speaker 2: they would have made the trade. I just think, you know, again,

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Speaker 2: everything he said it was. It was a pretty candid interview.

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Speaker 2: Alex is the king of talking for like twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: and not saying a single thing of note. We have

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Speaker 2: kind of laughed and both laughed and lamented that in

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Speaker 2: prior off seasons, especially when we are so desperate for

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Speaker 2: content and things to talk about. But he did feel

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Speaker 2: pretty honest and forthcoming today in his fifteen minutes with

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Speaker 2: the media. And you know, in terms of Solier, I know,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about him quite a bit, but clearly this

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Speaker 2: front office really likes Jorge. He talked about his impact

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Speaker 2: in the clubhouse and obviously what he can do offensively,

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Speaker 2: and it just kind of felt like, as I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that Alex went through maybe two dozen or maybe even

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Speaker 2: more potential trade candidates for the outfield, you know, their

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Speaker 2: bet here is that by not giving up any prospects

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Speaker 2: and taking on some salary which they could probably offload

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Speaker 2: in the winner if they really want to, that that

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Speaker 2: was the best option for the team. And we'll find

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Speaker 2: out in a couple of months if it was the

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Speaker 2: right call or not.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. Two more quick notes on what Alex said.

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Speaker 1: He said that they expect Ronald Accunity to be back

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Speaker 1: quote around opening day next year. That is very general,

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Speaker 1: which he kind of laughed about. And he did also

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Speaker 1: know that he might need some days off early on

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Speaker 1: in the process. But that was the closest to them

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Speaker 1: saying anything. Defended up on Runny for a while, so

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Speaker 1: that's notable to me. Also, someone asked if the Brads

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Speaker 1: considered selling basically about freedom, et cetera. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to read the quote to you from Alex quote no

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Speaker 1: one called us asking about cell type moves. Everyone knew

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Speaker 1: that we were trying to add end quote. So when

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Speaker 1: we were telling people that there was no chances they

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Speaker 1: were going to sell the whole we knew that. So

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Speaker 1: that was not a huge mystery, but never gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be rude here, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think there was a certain a person on planet Earth

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Speaker 2: who thought the Braves were going to sell other than

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Speaker 2: some Braves fans on Twitter and Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that in the league, and again we just talked about

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Speaker 1: how Alex is not always the most forcoming. He was

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Speaker 1: very just like, yeah, guys, obviously we're not selling. It

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Speaker 1: was very, very very clear on that front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, as we're talking, Jared Keelnick has

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Speaker 1: a double in a home run tonight. Already say we've

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Speaker 1: already reversed. Before anybody listens to the show, We've already

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Speaker 1: we've already reversed. Ck Jerry click, which is nice to see.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the fourth inning now Raves are up five nothing.

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Speaker 2: If they lose this game, we will never speak of

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Speaker 2: it again. But so far, so good. For the Braves

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Speaker 2: and Bryce Elder and that is surely a kiss of death.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. One more thing on Alex at our sort of

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Speaker 1: final piece of audio here, he was asked about how

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Speaker 1: important it was to give the clubhouse kind of a

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Speaker 1: boost and showed that the probus believes in the team.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say on that topic.

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Speaker 4: Very you know, one, we're in the playoffs. We're in

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Speaker 4: a playoff spot.

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Speaker 6: I know we haven't played to expectations where we're leading

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Speaker 6: the wildcard by half.

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Speaker 4: A game or whatever it is, but you know, we're.

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Speaker 6: In a in a playoff spot, in the top wildcard spot.

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Speaker 6: So our players put us in that position with all

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Speaker 6: the challenges and the bumps, and I think it's remarkable

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Speaker 6: for what we've been through to still be the number

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Speaker 6: one wildcard team.

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Speaker 4: The snit with in terms of SNID, the coaches, the

647
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: players to have put us in that position.

648
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 6: So we felt like as a front office, you know,

649
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 6: we need to do our part to help any way

650
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 6: we can.

651
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: You know, we can't throw a.

652
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: Pitch, we can't swing a bat, but it's on us

653
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 6: to do things for the clubhouse, for the manager, for

654
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: the coaches, for the fan base, for people in the

655
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: organization as well, And you know, we have a team

656
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 6: very much capable of getting to the playoffs if we

657
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 6: can get if we can get to the playoffs with health,

658
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 6: of course, with what we feel is a strong rotation,

659
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 6: very strong bullpen, and an offense that has the upside

660
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 6: to be much better than it's shown. Look, we've seen

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: the last two postseasons, the six wild card in the NL,

662
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 6: which you know, that's expanded playoffs, got to the World Series.

663
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 6: That's not saying that people are shooting for that spot

664
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 6: or that's gonna happen, but it's just more of a

665
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: reminder of the variability of the postseason and that anything

666
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 6: can happen now.

667
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: And we had a great season last year.

668
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 6: The Dodgers had a great season, you know, and Dinebacks

669
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 6: during the season, didn't get the win totals, but man,

670
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 6: they played their best baseball when they needed it and

671
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: they wrote it all the way with the World Series.

672
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: Same thing with the Phillies in twenty twenty two. So

673
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: if you get in, you're giving yourself a shot.

674
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: So there's just mostly some red meat there for fans

675
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to kind of hear, like they do buy I do

676
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: actually buy into ox is sound there, like you want

677
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: to support your team. Some of that's the intangible stuff

678
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: that people will always debate how much it matters, how

679
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: much clubhouse chemistry matters, how much managing and player managing

680
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Man it matters. There's there's something to

681
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: it to where it would have been a harder sell

682
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: to your team to not do anything. I beck Alic

683
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: can walk into that clubhouse today and say, hey, guys,

684
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: we got her some help. And by the way, it's

685
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of you know. It's another

686
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: guy with Jackson who a lot of you know, And

687
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: maybe there's some intrinsic value to that. But I always

688
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: want to shry that answer with you because that was

689
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of the the least nuts and bolts numbers based

690
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: and you know, analytical base like that was more of

691
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 1: the like traditional like here we go, guys, clubhouse chemistry,

692
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: and I thought it was notable.

693
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly the club house is something that Alex cares about.

694
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: He has talked about that many times since taking over.

695
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: And it makes sense. These are twenty six professional athletes

696
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: plus coaches, plus training staff, and they are together a

697
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: whole bunch of the year together. They travel together, they

698
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: eat together, they play baseball together, and you have to

699
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: be able to at least get along. And by all accounts,

700
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: Solaire is a really good guy in the clubhouse. Was

701
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: beloved on that team that won the World Series. So

702
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: it'll be great to have him in there. And I

703
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: know at least one person is thrilled that Luke Jackson

704
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: is back. As About five minutes after the trade went down,

705
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: AJ Minter posted on his Instagram that he was thrilled

706
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: that his buddy Luke Jackson was coming back. But yeah, man,

707
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: I mean we are as fans are not privy to

708
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: clubhouses and that dynamic. I am sure some of them

709
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: are on baseball are very good and some of them

710
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: are not so good. But clearly there's familiarity with these guys.

711
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: If they had bad reputations off the field, I don't

712
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: think Alex would have thought twice about adding them into

713
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: the mix.

714
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, that is right, I think at this point

715
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, quickly on Luke Jackson,

716
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: because then he got talked about him last night as well.

717
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: He's definitely more of a throw in in the transaction.

718
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: But it seemed like what Alex said and ring him

719
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: between the lines a little bit. They do value Luke.

720
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of a no risk flyer, you know, you

721
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: do trade Tyler Matzick, who everyone loves, including us, but

722
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: it was obviously lost year for Tyler. Jackson's been great

723
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: this year, but Alex brought it up, and I think

724
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: the numbers do breave this out. He's looked pretty good

725
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: in July, and Alex talks about how his recent performances

726
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: were part of the reason why they wanted to add him.

727
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: Not just the stats, but is like his stuff playing

728
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: up again in the way that it used to when

729
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: he was throwing with the Braves and throwing as a

730
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: high level reliever. You know, it's kind of free. I

731
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: don't want to downplay it, but it really is like

732
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm just a kind of a free look. And if

733
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: Luke doesn't look good the next month, they can just

734
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of quietly move on if they wants to. But

735
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: for now, it's it's like a pretty interesting bilo on

736
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: a guy that they already knew, and.

737
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Some encouraging numbers on Luke Jackson, who on the whole

738
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four has not been very good, but

739
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: his July was really strong. He's thrown nine innings this month,

740
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: only six hits, three runs, and probably most importantly, thirteen

741
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: strikeouts and only one walk. So thirteen k's and one

742
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: walk in nine innings this month. And a good note

743
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: from Grant Brisbee of The Athletic, who also covers the

744
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants, or at least used to. He noted

745
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: that in the last three appearances for Luke Jackson with

746
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: the Giants, it was the quote best he has looked

747
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: all year end quote, especially with the slider, and I

748
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: would imagine the Braves probably had scouts keeping an eye

749
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 2: on him, and that might have been a selling point

750
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: as well. It was pretty clear that Tyler Matzik was

751
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: not going to make an impact on this year's team,

752
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: So to get Luke, I think you said it perfectly.

753
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of a no risk proposition. And if he's good,

754
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: then you've added another power arm to your bullpen for

755
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: very little cost. And if he's bad, either he becomes

756
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: the fifth right handed option out of your bullpen, or

757
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: you could probably just move on and cut ties without

758
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: any real damage to the roster to the finances.

759
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: That's right, So pretty straight ahead there, we will see

760
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: what he looks like just to say this out. Well,

761
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: we're recording this again during the game on Tuesday, Solaier

762
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and Jackson. We're not on the roster yet. We don't

763
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: know all the machinations they did DFA Darius Vines to

764
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: create a forty man spot. Elder is probably gonna go

765
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: down after the game today. We'll see what they do

766
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: to make the rest of the room that they kind

767
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: of need to make. But TBD on that front. We

768
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: did shout out Tyler Matzik already, you guys did last night.

769
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: We'll do it again now. Cannot say enough what's auto Matzik?

770
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: And I saw his wife gave a big thank you

771
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: to bravest fans on Twitter. Like awesome story, tremendous content,

772
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: tremendous guy, tremendous experience. The video is macking the rounds

773
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: of his shutdown performance in the NLCS that was the

774
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: stuff of legend a few years ago. I hope he

775
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: gets gets healthy again and gets it figured out, comes

776
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: back again for another comeback. But in the meantime, like

777
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of brutal to have to send him

778
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: out in the trade, but you know, Scotts obviously a

779
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of lost season, but we want to shot him

780
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: out again. Just an awesome, an awesome run. And I'll

781
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: be rooting for Tellor Maatsick anywhere he goes.

782
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will too. And I mean, look, Tyler Matzik

783
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: is a lot richer than I am. He has a

784
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 2: whole bunch more money. But if I ever come across him,

785
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: he can guarantee that he's not buying any drinks for dinner.

786
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy, I.

787
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 2: Don't want to say single handedly brought a World Series

788
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: to the Braves. But without him, it's hard to envision

789
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: the Braves navigating that NLCS and the World Series. A

790
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: guy who in some ways gave his shoulder and his

791
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: elbow to pitch through that playoff series. And I would

792
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: agree wholeheartedly. Let's hope that Tyler's health coll operates with him,

793
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: because it really, he really has not been healthy since

794
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. And maybe that's, you know, a product

795
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: of him pitching so much and such high leverage during

796
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: that postseason run. But for every postseason legend forever in

797
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves legend, and let's hope Tyler is back on

798
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 2: the mound sometime soon.

799
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: They do not win the World Series without Tyler Maxick.

800
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: Now that there are severer guys in that well on

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: that list, but he is he is definitely one of them,

802
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: and shouts to him.

803
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

804
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: All right, So before we signed off, let's just kind

805
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: of reset things a little bit. We talked about what

806
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: they did, what they didn't do. We should say they've

807
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: improved the roster. Solera alone improves the roster quite a bit.

808
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: It isn't perfect, but the trio of Solaire, Harris and

809
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: Kilnick is much better than what they had in the outfield. Obviously,

810
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: Harris been back a couple of weeks. You have you

811
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: have you have to sort of put through Vall back

812
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: in his position where he probably should be as the

813
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: port dollifielder. Maybe you could, you know, if Kilnick struggles,

814
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: and of course the night's and tonight he's not struggling,

815
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: because that's funny, but if he's, if you struggle with

816
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: you might go back to what they started out with

817
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: this year and simplatoon action with Doll if you have too,

818
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: that looks better. Do you want to talk about second base?

819
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, because it seems like whit Maryfield might be

820
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: a thing pretty soon as far as this is because

821
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: not show's not looking the best at the moment. Now

822
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: he didn't he just have a hit tonight as we

823
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: were in this But there is some buzz about about

824
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: what whit Maryfield playing more than now that he actually

825
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: could throw the ball, because uh as as part of

826
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: the craziness, Well, when they brought him in he was

827
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: hurt within what five minutes?

828
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, what a gnarly injury for Wit Maryfield.

829
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: But it sounds like he is doing better and his

830
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: hand and his finger have healed. Mark Bowman, the longtime

831
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 2: Braves beat reporter, kind of opined that Witt Maryfield could

832
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: begin playing second base more times than not, maybe even

833
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: every day now that his finger is healthy. You know,

834
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: as Man, not schoe elverherez, we're all rooting for him.

835
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: I think many folks around the Braves would tell you

836
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: that he just probably isn't ready right now. He's twenty

837
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: one years old and has about three hundred plate appearances

838
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: above the Double A level. And that's not a knock

839
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: on Nacho. Very few twenty one year olds are ready

840
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: to play in the major leagues every single day. And

841
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm rooting for the kid. I think he

842
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: has a future in the majors, But as far as

843
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four goes, I'm just not sure he's going

844
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: to be able to make much of a contribution. And

845
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, Brad. Is wit Mayfield great

846
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: at this point in his career?

847
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: No?

848
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean, is he even an average second baseman?

849
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Probably probably not. But you know what, you could always

850
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: throw him out there for a week, and if he's good,

851
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: you keep sending Maryfield out there. And if he's really bad,

852
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: if he goes one for thirty over the next week,

853
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: then maybe you just throw Nacho Olveras back there.

854
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

855
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: It feels like they're going to kind of piece it

856
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: together like a puzzle until Ozzie Albies comes back.

857
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. And notably, Bowman did not report Meryfield is going

858
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: to be playing. He used the world applying that was

859
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a good reference by you. He didn't report it. He

860
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: just kind of said I wouldn't be surprised how you

861
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: put it. We'll see on that he probably heard something

862
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: along the way. There's no discussion to be had about

863
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Nacho because I do think that if that's not going

864
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to play, you don't want to have him in the majors.

865
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: You want him to play. You know what I mean, Like,

866
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: if they're going to go to Merryfield, you kind of

867
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: need the option not show back to Triple A.

868
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I would agree, don't don't have him

869
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: sit the bench. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. So we'll

870
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: see what they do there, and you know, not to

871
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: it was. It's not like a picture of that for us,

872
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: But I think the fan base was far too aggressive

873
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: and taking what Nacho was going to be right away.

874
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's part of the fun of prospects and

875
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: top guys.

876
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: He can still be good. I'm not running him off,

877
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: nor should anybody else. But it has not gone well

878
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: so far. That's the one question in the infield. We'll see.

879
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: The Braves still do have a little bit of a

880
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: question about hitting right handed pitching. You know, even when

881
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: as he gets back, not his strength can do that.

882
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Duval can't really at this point in time, it seems

883
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: like so that that's a question mark has been all year.

884
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: They didn't fix it, although sol Layer is better than

885
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: what the other options were that they are replacing. And

886
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: then you get to the pitching staff and you know

887
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: the bullpen's already good. You get Luke on the no

888
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: risk flyer. The rotation is still good. I mean, that's

889
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: something Alex said, but like it really is, if you know,

890
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: we should circle back now. Freed through a bullpen. Apparently

891
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: he's on track. Lopez could be back this weekend. By

892
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: all accounts, that's obviously optimistic. But if if, if, if

893
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: if if, I'm trying to trust the ifs there on purpose.

894
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: If you have Freed, Sale, Lopez, Morton, and Schwellenbach, you

895
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: can't really ask for much better than that on the team.

896
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: The already lost it's Smet's pitcher several months ago, and

897
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: Alex used the term I think it was like we

898
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: have five we like or something like that. It was

899
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to misquote him, but it was something

900
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: like that, and uh, obviously those are the five. I

901
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: would say.

902
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, and let's all hope, like, sincerely and genuinely hope

903
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: that the elbows for Max and Ronaldo are okay.

904
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for.

905
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Both players since they went down the not even the

906
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 2: injured list, since they got injured, the Braves have said

907
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: all the right things, we have never really gotten an

908
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: indication that these are serious injuries. And I mean the

909
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 2: fact that Ronaldo is presumably going to try and pitch

910
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: this weekend. Of course, we will have all eyes on

911
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: him and his velocity and his comfort level on the mound.

912
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: It sounds like Max Freed is going to make another

913
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: bullpen appearance in the next couple of days and see

914
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: how his elbow was feeling. I believe Max can come

915
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: off the injured list as early as Friday, which would

916
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: be a miracle. I mean, we talked about the wide

917
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: range of recovery times for that nerve issue in your elbow,

918
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: so if he's only going to miss a couple of weeks,

919
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: that would be a huge win for the Braves. We

920
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: know how good Spencer Schwellenbach has been. It seems like

921
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: a j Smith Shover is waiting in the wings. Bryce Elder,

922
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: I know he is a polarizing figure, but he really

923
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: is not terrible. As like the sixth pitcher in your organization,

924
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: maybe even the seventh. That's enviable depth that a lot

925
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: of teams would covet. And then who knows, maybe the

926
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Braves will get something from Ian Anderson or wasscar Renoa

927
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: at some point in August or September. So I have

928
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: the feeling that if there was a serious or more

929
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: serious injury to Lopez or Freed, Alex probably would have

930
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: gone out and gotten a starter today. But if they

931
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: really do feel confident, and maybe it's their actions or

932
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: showing that they feel confident that your big five is

933
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: good to go, and then you have three or four

934
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: guys in Gwinnett that you feel good about, then you

935
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: kind of have to roll with that and just close

936
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: your eyes and cross your fingers and say a little

937
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: prayer that they all stay healthy through the playoffs.

938
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a perfect, perfect capsulation of what they actually

939
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: have to do here. And you know, as people probably understand,

940
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: you only need three in half starters in the playoffs,

941
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: like you don't even need five by then, So hold

942
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: onside everybody. I know that everybody's mixed on different guys,

943
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: But if they get to the play here we've said this,

944
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: I know this is actually your bit that I'm gonna

945
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: do and credit you. The big thing is Freed and

946
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Sale on October. If they have Freed and Sale, they

947
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: have a chance, And if they don't, then i'most say

948
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: they don't have a chance on of those guys. But

949
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: that is they are the two wild they are the

950
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: two wild card upside things because as good Ronaldo has

951
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: been as much as I love Charlie. They have two aces,

952
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: and the two aces are Freed and Sale.

953
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: That's right. If you go into a best of three

954
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: series in the wild card round with Freed and Sale

955
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: healthy and firing, I'll take the braves chances. And even

956
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: in a best of five, especially Ben, you have Freed

957
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: and Sale, who knows who their number three would be.

958
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: That's obviously well down the road, but I really do

959
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: feel it. I think it's fair to say that the

960
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Braves need Max, Freed and Chris healthy if they are

961
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: going to go deep into October. And man, let's hope

962
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: if the Braves, who have had such horrible injury luck,

963
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: like literally since opening Day, the Braves have had such

964
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: terrible injury luck that if they have somehow dodged a

965
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 2: bullet on Freed and Lopez, it would, man, it would

966
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: do so much for this team's chances down the stretch

967
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: and really just give them a chance to make a

968
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: deep run in October.

969
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: Yep, we are on the same page there, Scott. We've

970
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: gotten longer than we're supposed to go. As usual, when

971
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: you and I talk about Braves baseball, anything you want

972
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: to add We've almost gotten through the fifth ending of

973
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: the game that we're not covering on this podcast.

974
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: In the Riffs.

975
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: As we're signing off, the Braves lead five to nothing.

976
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: So if they can hold that, that'd be nice. If

977
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: they don't, that'll be chronicled on a future episode of

978
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: the Abiturary of Tour podcast. But anything else to plug

979
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: or get into, scottle for we out of here.

980
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: Nothing to plug, Brad. Let's hope the Braves can win

981
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: this one tonight and then they have Chris Sale on

982
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: the mound on getaway day on Wednesday in Milwaukee. Should

983
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: have jorgesl Layer in the leadoff spot, should have Luke

984
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: Jackson in the bullpen, so they'll be exciting to have

985
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: those two guys back. Let's hope this team can continue

986
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: to get healthy over the next couple weeks and months.

987
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: And these are fun, Brad. I enjoyed doing the emergency

988
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: show late last night with Steven and Sean, and I'm

989
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: glad you and I had a chance to talk through

990
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: some things because as always in the moment with trades,

991
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: there's always like eight million things that run through your head.

992
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: And having a chance now that we're twenty four hours

993
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: removed to kind of talk through everything and just kind

994
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: of do an overview of the roster. I thought was

995
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: a good exercise and I'm glad we did it.

996
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we agree with that. Again. We'll have more coming

997
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: up player this week. We'll get Sean and Steve another

998
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: chance to talk about what transpired, and then we'll kind

999
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: of back to the grind. It's back to August and

1000
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: normal game coverage and the ins and outs of all

1001
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: things happening. There. No more emergency podcasts, hopefully, because, as

1002
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: we've alluded too many times, once the deadline has passed,

1003
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: emergency podcasts are almost always bad. So we don't want

1004
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: to do anymore. We wanted to do them this week,

1005
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: No more after this.

1006
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 4: That's right.

1007
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: If we do any more emergency pods, Brad, it is

1008
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of bad news. So let's hope God

1009
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: this team cannot take any more bad injuries.

1010
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,960
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