1 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Protection of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: I'm Annie and I'm Loan vocal Bomb, and today we 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: have an episode for you about Welch's brand Juice and Stuff. 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: Juice and Stuff. Yes, not a sponsor, as always no, 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: but yes, this was a really interesting one. I believe 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: I know why it was on your mind, but I 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: shall ask anyway, Lauren, is there any reason you wanted 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: to talk about this? Uh? 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Well, I believe you had sent me this press release 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: about Welch's canned cocktails and we started reading, like I 11 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: was looking at it and going like, oh, that's real goofy. 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: And then we still started looking into just very briefly, 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: like the history of the brand, and I was like, oh, 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: that's really goofy for historical reasons, which we will get into. 15 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: And yeah, and so I was just like, yeah, that's 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: on the list. That's great, Like let's go, let's figure 17 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: out what they're about. Yes, And I think the answer 18 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: is making money. 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, generally, probably with these episodes about corporations. 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's I mean, as far 21 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 2: as it goes, it's fair anyway. But yeah, no, it's 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: I always really love these corporate episodes. They're so bonkers 23 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: and so fun. 24 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I I feel I don't have nostalgic memories 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: with Welch's. I know I had it when I was 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: a kid, like the jelly, but I really didn't. Grape 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: jelly was not my thing. I know they make other 28 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: flavors of jelly before you yell at me, but like 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: that was just like not my thing. And I remember 30 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: being in church and we would do communion. I believe 31 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: we had Welches and it felt cool as a kid, 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: but then I just was like, I don't know, I 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: could be drinking something else. 34 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a brand that I grew up with 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: a whole lot of experience of, but I mean I 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: had it here and there, and for sure the first 37 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: time that I had fresh concord grapes, I remember the 38 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: first time that I found them in a grocery store 39 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: and the smell stopped me in the aisle because I 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: was like, that is not a scent I have ever 41 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: experienced before. 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: What is that? 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: And it was these grapes and I was like, they 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: smell like grape candy and I had to buy them 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: and I love them, and yeah, I guess it's because 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: of like latent welches memories. 47 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got something in your brain and planted. 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's probably due to welches. And I mean, 49 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, like we were a Smucker's household growing up. 50 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah we were too. 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: Saying controversial things already. But yeah, yeah, I don't know, 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 53 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the history is fascinating with this one. 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get into it. And it is 55 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: related to church. And speaking of you can see past 56 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: episodes we've done on wine. We have definitely talked about 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: welches before. Absolutely, Yeah, yes, in passing. 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, episodes on wine maybe like like frozen Foods, 59 00:03:53,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: Graham Crackers, Kellogg's other American brand episodes. I feel like 60 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: like Pineapple kind of ties in. Yeah, some of our 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: cocktail episodes. Possibly maybe our mocktail episodes. 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, there's a lot of a lot 63 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: of things come into play in this one. And there 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: was there was a rabbit hole I almost went down 65 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: that was about the the battle between orange juice and 66 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: grape juice. So another thing to look into, absolutely, But 67 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: I guess this brings us to our question welches. 68 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: What is it. Well. Welches is an American brand of 69 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: fruit based products, almost all of them processed and many 70 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: shelf stable, lots of juices and other drinks like gummy 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: fruit snacks, jams and jellies, et cetera. And I really 72 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: do mean et cetera here, Like they license their name 73 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: to all kinds of fruit related things. Their main to 74 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: fame is grape flavored drinks and foods, and specifically, in 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: terms of grapes, a couple of varieties of North American 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: cultivated grape, the Concord, which is like a rich flavored 77 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: black grape, and the Niagara, which is a kind of 78 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: like sharp white grape. Though yeah, they have all kinds 79 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: of flavors these days, but okay. The Welches brand is 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: long standing and marketed pretty heavily to kids, and has 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: traditionally been used as a non alcoholic option for American 82 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: Christian Communion ceremonies, and so therefore the brand and like 83 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Concord flavor in particular, exist somewhere on this spectrum of 84 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: like nostalgic to cloying. I think for a lot of Americans, 85 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: Welches is way more American than apple pie, which I 86 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: don't mean as a compliment. I mean, I mean that 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: it is from here. It is Puritan in its bones, 88 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: it is industrially exacting, and it has turned into a 89 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 2: highly marketed machine producing product of questionable nutritional value. Welches 90 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: is like drinking America. 91 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: Yes, and again I'm teasing it a lot, but the 92 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: way this history plays out that to me, that's yeah, 93 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: that's drinking America. There no spoilers. 94 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, you might be able to guess, but 95 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: given two pieces of information that you have already received. 96 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: But okay, So the Welch's brand is owned by the 97 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: National Grape Cooperative Association, which is this organization of the 98 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: family farms that grow the produce for most of the products. 99 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: So Welch's is like technically a processing and marketing subsidy 100 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: of this kind of huge farmers co op that operates 101 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: out of growing regions around the Great Lakes in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, 102 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: and Michigan and then over in Washington State. They do 103 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: not just sell to consumers through grocery stores, but also 104 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: to food service industry as well, like schools, care centers 105 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: such as hospitals and senior living, and then also service 106 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: industry like hotels and restaurants. They do sell internationally, definitely. 107 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: They sell grape ingredients for processed foods. I'm not totally 108 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: sure that they sell finished consumer products. We've got a 109 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: good savor list of a lot of what they're currently 110 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: marketing in the US. Y'all are going to have to 111 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: let us know if you get different stuff elsewhere or 112 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: stuff at all. Yeah, yes, okay, who I love a list? 113 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: All right? All right, So they've got a line of 114 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: one hundred percent juice drinks. These are all like pasteurized 115 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 2: and shelf stable. Those include flavors like red grape concord, 116 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: grape concord, grape with either fiber or calcium, not both, 117 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: black cherry concord, grape, white grape, white grape, cherry white grape, peach, apple, orange, 118 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: and orange pineapple apple. Yes, they've got a line of 119 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: not one hundred percent juice drinks in flavors like orange, pineapple, apple, mango, pineapple, mango, 120 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: passion fruit, mango, twist fruit, punch, strawberry, kiwi, passion fruit, cranberry, 121 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: and grape generalized grape. They've got a line called grape Aid, 122 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: which is made of green grape juice and no added 123 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: sugar in flavors like strawberry and mango. They've got a 124 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: line of low calorie juices, light varieties of white grape 125 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: or concord grape. Those have like less sugar, and then 126 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: they've got diet concord grape or cranberry which are sweet 127 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: and vestavia. They have non shelf stable juices. What you've 128 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: got to buy juice from a refrigerator that's weird in 129 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:08,359 Speaker 2: flavors like concord grape, passion, fruit, berry, pineapple, passion fruit, guava, pineapple, watermelon, lemonade, 130 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: and mango. Twist. The twist, by the way, is grape 131 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: and apple. 132 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: That's the twist. 133 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not Aretan Johnson who done it, but it's 134 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: pretty close. They've got a line of sparkling juices in 135 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: like standards seven hundred and fifty mili liter like like 136 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: wine bottles, basically in flavors like strawberry, sangrea, cider, and 137 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: rose grape. Plus they've got some cute little like single 138 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: serving bottle four packs. Yeah, they have a line of 139 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: soda pop grape, strawberry, orange, pineapple, fruit punch, and berry. 140 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: No specification on the berry though, also a line of 141 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: sugar free powdered drink mixes, you know, like in those 142 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: like little individual sticks that you add to a glass 143 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: of water or a bottle of water. Yeah, not liquids 144 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: or perhaps thicker liquids like fruit spreads, jelly jam or 145 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: just spread in concord, grape and strawberry iterations. Varieties of snacks, 146 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: fruit snacks, flavored gelatin mixes, a couple types of frozen 147 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: pouch smoothies, and those like juice ice bars, you know 148 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: in those clear soft plastic tubes. Yeah. Around Easter there's 149 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: Welches jelly beans, and around Christmas there's fruity candy canes. 150 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: There are also Welches branded fresh fruit. They have blueberries 151 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: and strawberries, nectarines, peaches and plums, and then perhaps obviously 152 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: a bunch of varieties of grapes. Bunch is absolutely an 153 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: on purpose pun. You're welcome. Yeah, they have twenty twenty varieties. 154 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Wow. 155 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then yeah, in like a delicious and smores 156 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: level case of irony, they have a line of alcoholic 157 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: canned cocktails tagline Welch's Craft Cocktails. Kids have their crafts, 158 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: you have yours? 159 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: WHOA, I know. 160 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: That's uncool. 161 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: Dang, I like to craft and have a craft beveridge, 162 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: thank you very much. 163 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: Why not both? 164 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Why not? Oh? 165 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: The flavors there are vodka, cranberry, vodka transfusion, which is 166 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: like a grape citrus, ginger passion fruit mohido that has 167 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: minted lime in it, and then a watermelon mule with 168 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: a ginger and lime and all four way in at 169 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: five point nine percent abb yep. And I will say that, 170 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: like a lot of the not juice or jam products 171 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: are actually produced by other companies in collaboration with or 172 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: license with the Welches brand. Yeah hmm interesting, Okay, Well 173 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: what about the nutrition, Ah, don't don't eat. Don't eat brands. 174 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,479 Speaker 2: Definitely don't eat brands. As for the brand's products, ah 175 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: look sugar. Sugar is a sometimes food and processed fruit 176 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: products like juices and spreads and fruit snacks tend to 177 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: contain a lot of sugar without containing the mitigating like 178 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: fiber that whole fruit has. So watch your serving sizes, 179 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: Drink water, sometimes eat a vegetable that doesn't come from 180 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: a pouch if you can. 181 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, indeed, Well we do have some numbers 182 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: for you. 183 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: We do the National Grape co Op comprises about six 184 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy in visual farms, and together they harvest 185 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: about three hundred and twenty thousand tons of concord and 186 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: niagara grapes every year. The largest crop in company history 187 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: was in two thousand and five when they pulled four 188 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen thousand tons of grapes. 189 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 190 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. Welch's products are sold in about fifty countries 191 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: around the world. All right, here's a thing some of 192 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: y'all might remember that they had these these jelly jars, 193 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: glass jelly jars printed with characters on them from various things. 194 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: One woman out of Dover, New Hampshire had a collection 195 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: of three hundred and twenty of those jars as of 196 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I didn't like follow up with her. I 197 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 2: read it in a news article. She might have more now, 198 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. 199 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Wow. 200 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done a couple of world record stunts. In 201 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, they achieved the record for the most people 202 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: stomping grapes. That was one two hundred and thirty two 203 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: people who stomped some sixty tons of concord grapes. This 204 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: was in honor of a new National Comedy Center being 205 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: built in Lucille Ball's hometown of Jamestown, New York, because 206 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: of that bed on I Love Lucy where she had 207 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: that iconic grape stomping scene. Yeah yeah. Bob Newhart headlined 208 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: the ensuing Evenings events, So there you go. And then 209 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: a couple years earlier, in twenty twelve, for Fenway Parks 210 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: one hundredth anniversary in Welch's home state of Massachusetts, they 211 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: set the record for the largest toast in one venue, 212 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: with thirty two, nine hundred and four attendees raising a 213 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: can of sparkling grape juice. 214 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I thought you meant piece of toast, 215 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: and I immediately was like, obviously that is not what 216 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: it was. 217 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: No, no, birst, buddy. 218 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: That would have been so cool. 219 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: Lauren. 220 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, if they had had the largest piece of toast 221 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: spread with uh, spread with jelly, with grape jelly, that 222 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: would have been That would have also been very celebratory. 223 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was gonna be. I was 224 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: already my mind was racing with questions like how that 225 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: they toasted. Oh my gosh, but this is pretty cool. 226 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: So that's a large toast. 227 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: That is a large toast, that's larger than any toast 228 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: I've attended because I wasn't there and that's the world record. 229 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, there you go, Yes, there you go. 230 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Well, after many many teasings of what's to come, we 231 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: have arrived at history section. 232 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: But first we've arrived at a quick break for word 233 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: from our sponsors, and we're back. 234 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. So grapes different, terrifying, 235 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: multiple episodes. 236 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: Oh many. Yeah, there's a lot of varieties and they're 237 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: from all over the place. And yep, I didn't even 238 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: let myself really go that far into concord grapes in 239 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: this one. So here we are. 240 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we have talked about very basic grape history 241 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: in our wine episodes, but yeah, that's later us. Today 242 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: we'll deal with that one. Today we're talking about Welches, right. 243 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: Welches was founded in eighteen sixty nine by a teetotaler dentist, 244 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: Thomas Bramwell Welch and his son, Charles Vineland, New Jersey. 245 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I have to say some people give his son different credits, 246 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: but we'll put him in the mix. Yeah. Thomas was 247 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: born in Glastonbury in eighteen twenty five and immigrated with 248 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: his father to the US in eighteen thirty four, he 249 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: went on to become a dentist. According to some it 250 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: was because of a he had throat issues, so he 251 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: decided to go into dentistry. Doctor Welch was also a 252 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: Methodist minister, and at the time Methodist didn't really condone 253 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: drinking alcohol. Welch didn't approve the fact that wine was 254 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: served during communion at all. Allegedly, he believed this so 255 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: firmly he refused to touch the vessels that served wine, 256 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: which was an issue given his role in the church. 257 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: And then also allegedly a man showed up to service 258 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: drunk off of wine and Welch was done. He was like, 259 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: this is it? 260 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: This is it? 261 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: No more? 262 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: Yea, And I will say this was an issue for 263 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: more than just Welch at the time, you know, to 264 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: be fair like like the temperance movement was getting real big. 265 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yes it was. And to address this he decided 266 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: to come up with a grape juice that didn't ferment 267 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: when bottled. Hence the company. 268 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: YEP and relatively new on the scene at the time, 269 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: were Concord grapes. They were developed around eighteen forty nine 270 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: by one Ephraim Whale's Bowl in Concord, Massachusetts, based on 271 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: this wild North American grape species, and it was just 272 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 2: a really popular new variety of grape in the American 273 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: Northeast by about the mid eighteen sixties. It was just 274 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: very well suited to the climate, really tasty, and apparently 275 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: the Welsh family had a few trellises of it in 276 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: their garden. 277 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: So Welch got some of these Concord grapes. He filtered 278 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: them in his kitchen. He pasteurized them using the new 279 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: technique dell developed by Louis Pestor, and started bottling the 280 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: result in eighteen sixty nine. And at the time, pre refrigeration, 281 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: it was tricky to keep grape juice from fermenting. 282 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, as we've talked about in wine related episodes, 283 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: grape juice just loves fermenting, partially because yeasts that will 284 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: ferment it are pretty much always found growing on the 285 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: skin of the grapes, so they get into the juice 286 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: when you press the grapes without pasteurization and or refrigeration, 287 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: that's what it will do. 288 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: Yes, But okay, so he's got this juice, he presents 289 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: it to his church and other churches. He explains it 290 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: and why they should use it instead of wine, but 291 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: he was generally shrugged off at first, with some even 292 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: labeling the whole thing is heresy. Yeah, and this lasted 293 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: for a bit. Over the next four years, Doctor Welch's 294 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: unfermented wine, as it was called, was unsuccessful and he 295 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: put it on the back burner in nineteen seventy three. 296 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: But still Welch was very involved in the temperance movement 297 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: and the idea was never far from his mind. Yeah, yeah, 298 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: and yes, it was on a lot of people's minds. 299 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy six, members of the Women's Christian Temperance 300 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: Union refused to accept the sacrament in church if it 301 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: involved wine. 302 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also right, Like Welch just wasn't really interested in 303 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: making the product a big thing. He was kind of 304 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: going like, yeah for church, right for church. 305 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. I do have to admit I love the title 306 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: unfermented wine. Yep, great because now knowing what happened in 307 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: like it's grape juice, I love it. Anyway, things started 308 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: to turn around when Welch's son and fellow dentist, Charles, 309 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: started marketing this product. 310 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: He also really aimed it towards churches at first, giving 311 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: away samples for communion. One advertisement for the juice included 312 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: the line, if your druggist hasn't the kind that was 313 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: used in Galilee, containing not one particle of alcohol, write 314 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 2: us for prices. By the eighteen eighties and it worked. 315 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: By the eighteen eighties, Methodists had really taken up this 316 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: unfermented wine, this grape juice for communion. 317 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Right, And in eighteen ninety the company changed the name 318 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: to Doctor Welch's Grape Juice. Three years later, they debuted 319 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: their product at the Chicago World's Fair, and from there 320 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: it became a household name for many. Charles also marketed 321 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: it as a health tonic outside of church. Yes. When 322 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: black rot broke out in Vineland in eighteen ninety five, 323 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: hitting their grape crop, Welch relocated his operation to Westfield, 324 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: New York, the home of the Concord grape, which became 325 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: the primary grape used in Welch's products. 326 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: By eighteen ninety seven, they had built their first plant 327 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: there and were processing three hundred tons of grapes a year. 328 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Over the next few decades they really expanded. They were 329 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: pumping out a million gallons of juice a year by 330 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: nineteen oh nine, and within the next four years their 331 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: sales surpassed two million dollars. And yeah, as the Temperance 332 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: movement grew in influence, Welch's grape juice became a go 333 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to substitute for wine. It was made from same grapes. 334 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: Some people thought so and close enough like in flavor 335 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: profile that people were like, yeah, I can do that. 336 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: US Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan served Welch's grape 337 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: juice for the visiting British ambassador at a dinner in 338 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen. I've heard there was some drama rum. Yes, yes, 339 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: Welch's grape juice replaced wine on Navy ships after alcohol 340 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: was banned that same year. 341 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the company was running marketing materials, but the slogan 342 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: borrowed from the temperance movement. By nineteen fourteen, the lips 343 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 2: that touch Welches are all that touch mine, Okay. 344 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighteen, Welch has developed a grape jam called 345 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: grape aal aid grape blaid. Yeah, I want to say 346 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: grape alaid. 347 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: But I think it's grapeal aid to rhyme with marmalade. 348 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so that they sent over to 349 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: US soldiers serving in World War. 350 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: One YEP, and by World War Two it was being 351 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: served alongside peanut butter and sliced bread in rations. So 352 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: although recipes for peanut butter and jelly do go back 353 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: to nineteen oh one, this is supposedly where the PBNJ 354 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: really took off from. 355 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: I do have memories of like the little the small 356 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: little pockets, you know. Yeah. Welch's debuted their concord grape 357 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: jelly in nineteen twenty three. Welch's was acquired by American 358 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: National Company out of Nashville, Tennessee in nineteen twenty eight. 359 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: In nineteen forty nine, amidst the new success of Minute 360 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: Mads frozen orange juice concentrate, Welch's released frozen grape juice concentrate. 361 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: So they were not the first, but pretty soon following after, 362 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: pretty quick on the uptake. Meanwhile, one Jack Kaplan had 363 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: started what would become the aforementioned National Grape Cooperative Association 364 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty three. It started as a corporation, but 365 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: he sold it to the growers working with him to 366 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: be run as a co op. The co op bought 367 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: out Welch's in nineteen fifty two, and this was the 368 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: first time that a Grower's Association had purchased what was 369 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: at that point a billion dollar food company. Around this time, 370 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: they started working on some really serious marketing campaign, like 371 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: they sponsored the Howdy Duty Show in nineteen fifty one, 372 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 2: which was a really big deal, And by nineteen fifty 373 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: four they had started printing those collectible glass jelly jars 374 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: with images of characters starting with the Howdy Duty Show. 375 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: A couple dozen different promotional tie in properties have been 376 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: featured on glass jars over the intervening decades, including Davy Crockett, 377 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: The Flintstones, Archie, Looney Tunes, Peanuts. I think there's been 378 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: some sports tie ins. 379 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And speaking of Welsh's appeared on The Mickey 380 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Mouse Club in nineteen fifty five, the same year that 381 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: they opened a stand in Disneyland. 382 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so this was in fantasy Land, and the stand 383 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: was themed with this mural and kind of kind of 384 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: vibe of the Centaur scene from Fantasia, Like remember like 385 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: the centaurs all get together with Bacchus and party, Yeah, 386 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: you know, the god of Bacchus. Apparently in the nineteen 387 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: seventies they served grape juice and like plastic cups shaped 388 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: like bunches of grapes. People have very fond memories of 389 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: this place, and the stand would stay open until fantasy 390 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: Land got a remodel in the early nineteen eighties. Wow, 391 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: Love It, Love It. The brand introduced a line of 392 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: freezer Isle jelly donuts in the nineteen seventies in flavors 393 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: like uh grape and apple raspberry. In nineteen eighty one, 394 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: they debuted these gnome like cartoon cartoon mascots called the Welchkins. 395 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: And these were like these little gnome guys that like that, 396 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: like used child labor to cheerfully produce one hundred percent 397 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: grape juice. One of the ads, one of the ads 398 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: is like is like wake up, it's time to harvest. 399 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: And the kids are like, what are you talking about. 400 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: It's the middle of the. 401 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: Night, and he's like it it's the best pick in time. 402 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: Get to work. 403 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: Children like look what, Oh my gosh, how many children 404 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: did they traumatize? This is a question that one scared me. 405 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: The welch Kiins waking me up in the night like 406 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: it's time gids for what. 407 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like there's like merch. There were dolls and 408 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: shirts and like sandwich tupperware things. Yeah, there was a 409 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: children's picture book about Welch published in two thousand and 410 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: five called Doctor Welch and the Great Grape Story. 411 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: It's a good title, good time. 412 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, they were hit with a false advertising 413 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: lawsuit over their fruit snacks, claiming that the average consumer 414 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: would be tricked into thinking that these fruit snacks aren't 415 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: basically candy, which the suit says that they basically are. 416 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: As of December twenty twenty three, the suit was still ongoing. 417 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: I couldn't find an update after that, so I assume 418 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: it's still still in the works. Another class action lawsuit 419 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: filed in twenty twenty took issue with the specific labeling 420 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: language on some of their juices helps support or helps 421 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: promote a healthy heart due to you know, the effects 422 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: of sugar on cardiovascular health and diabetes risk. Welches denied 423 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: the claims are false, but wound up settling for one 424 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: point five million, which is a payout of one dollar 425 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: per product bought per person. 426 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: WHOA. 427 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you feel like you were harmed in the suit, 428 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm sorry it's already over. Your window has closed. And 429 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: then yeah, just in time for summer of twenty twenty four, 430 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: Welch's released those cantails they partnered with co Op Beverage Works. 431 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: It might be Coop. I think it's co Op Beverage Works, 432 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: which apparently also makes canned boozy drinks for the Sonic brand, 433 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: not like Sonic the Hedgehog, but Sonic the like drive in. Yeah, 434 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: oh no, you just went to seven different places now 435 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: which are good. 436 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: Now I'm on edge. All of those things are dangerous, Laura, 437 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 3: Oh gosh. 438 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: And yeah, in another corp Real corporate note, Their corporate 439 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: headquarters are in the process right now as of summer 440 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four, in the process of moving from 441 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: Concord to Waltham, Massachusetts. I didn't look up the pronunciation 442 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: of that second one, and I'm really sorry if I 443 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 2: got it wrong. I'm gonna roll with it, though. 444 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 445 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: The pr about it is that like it's moving to 446 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: a smaller space but a little bit more centrally located, 447 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: and they're pitching it as a move for like increased 448 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: growth to attract more Boston area talent. 449 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: So don't know, hmm, we know people don't always react 450 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: well to that though. Yeah, well to me. When I 451 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: first sent this story to Larone, it was because I 452 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: knew the history of Welch's okay yeah, was based in 453 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: temperance and not drinking alcohol but apparently not even touching 454 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: a vessel in there. And so when I got the 455 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: like report that now they're making canned cocktails, which hilariously 456 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: are like, it's not wine. 457 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, it's not a total reversal, but. 458 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: But it's almost kind of worse. 459 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 460 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I think the context in which I got this report 461 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: was people were worried that kids would see. 462 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: It sure and be like, oh welches, Yeah. 463 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: Welch's grape juice. So it's just the same thing happened 464 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: with Graham. It does feel very American in terms of 465 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: it started as this, but we could make money doing 466 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: the opposite thing. 467 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: Though, Yeah that's the American way. 468 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah where's yeah, where's the money. But it did give 469 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: me a good laugh when I got the yea, the update. 470 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Wait wait, well this is making cocktails. Yeah, so here 471 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: we are. 472 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: I I don't, I don't. I Graham was such a 473 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: very specific personality, and I feel I feel a lot 474 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: more shoden Freud about the reversal on Graham's product than 475 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: I do about the reversal on Welch's product. I mean, yeah, yeah, 476 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: but I didn't, to be very also didn't read a 477 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: whole lot about Welch's personal beliefs or what he was 478 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: preaching about other other than temperance. 479 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: So yes, oh for sure, for sure. And and like 480 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: I am getting a little bit. 481 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: Of a laugh out of this, but it's funny. 482 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Like I'm mad about it. I'm just it's just kind 483 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 1: of yeah, it's just kind of funny. 484 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry for Welch if he's like rolling in his 485 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 3: grave somewhere, but. 486 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: It is little. 487 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: It is human. Pretty yeah, humans, What are we? What 488 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: are we getting up to? All kinds of things? 489 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, canned cocktails, well I haven't tried them, but you know, listeners, 490 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: if you have any nostalgic memories, if you have tried these, yeah, 491 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: these beverages. 492 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: If you have a jelly jar collection, yes, yes, please 493 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: let us know. I think I might have found one 494 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: with bugs bunny. While I was cleaning out the kitchen 495 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: of the house that I bought because like a lot 496 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: of they left, like a lot of it was from 497 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 2: an estate sale, and the cupboards were still full of 498 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: a lot of things, and I think I found one 499 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: in there. I'll have to check. 500 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: Could be worse, somebody, I know. 501 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: It's not. 502 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: There. 503 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: Definitely no. 504 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: Well nostalgia then yes, yes, yes, we'll report back. Well, 505 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: we're back, but I believe that is what we have 506 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: to say about Welch's for now. 507 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: Yes it is. We do already have some listener mail 508 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: for you, though, and we are going to get into 509 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: that as soon as we get back from one more 510 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: quick break for a word from our sponsors. 511 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: We're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, and we're 512 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: back with Justo mode are. Most of my memories with 513 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: Welches is that it was too sweet for me? But yeah, 514 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure I think I only had a berry specific 515 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: type of Welches juice. So I will not cast dispersions 516 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: on things I have not tried. Yeah, well all right, 517 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: wrote I'm always on the lookout to try and find 518 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: Nato around here. It is one of those things I 519 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: really want to try. I'm always game to try something 520 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: funky at least once. Funky foods can be all over 521 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: the spectrum. Potato salad, yes, it is one of those staples, 522 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: but also one of those dishes that just seems to 523 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: be really difficult to elevate. They are usually good, but 524 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: nothing really stands out. My wife makes the recipe her 525 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: mom made, which is the vinegar one, and that is 526 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: definitely one of my favorites. A tank from the vinegar 527 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: really picks it up. I like it when it is 528 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: warm shortly after making, or after it has had a 529 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: chance to sit for a day. Then that tang really 530 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: hits well on the listener mail front. Michael nailed it 531 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: on the head with the laughter. It is wonderful to 532 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: just hear you enjoying things and having fun. Don't ever 533 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: change that. Kelsey mentioning the ramen salad, that version sounds interesting. 534 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: The only one I've had is like the one Annie's 535 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: mom made chopped cabbage, drag noodles and a few other items. 536 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Shows that ramen is versatile. Oh it is thank you 537 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: to everybody who's sent in because I lamented I'd been 538 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: eating so much ramen, and people sent in a bunch 539 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: of recipes for me. 540 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: Oh yay. 541 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: And then after that I researched this recipe my mom made, 542 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: and listeners you can write in and confirm. But it 543 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: seems like it's a pretty big Midwestern like pot look thing. Okay, yeah, 544 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: so I'm kind of curious how she got the recipe, 545 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: but she she wasn't too. It was we talked about 546 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: in our cookbook episodes. She she was always perusing like 547 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: magazines and yeah, recipes, So I just thought it was 548 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: interesting when I was when she first made it, I 549 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: was like, what is this. I've never heard of this, 550 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen this, but apparently, yeah, it's a pretty 551 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: big thing. I can't uh yeah. Also fighting words, I 552 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: hope people who love potato salad are yeah, get in trouble. 553 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: And I'm I'm sure that someone I mean, oh gosh, 554 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's someone out there who's made like lobster 555 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: truffle potato. 556 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: Salad oh with gold leaf. I am absolutely sure. 557 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. For me, it's usually just like 558 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: if you get one of the good vinegary ones, it 559 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: has some good bacon grease in it. 560 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, yeah, you know, I feel like 561 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: it can it can be the standout, but a lot 562 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: of times it's like the best support frint. It's like 563 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: the one that's like, I'm gonna make this whole thing better. 564 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 2: Just by Yeah, I'm gonna bring the whole plate together. Yeah, totally. 565 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: Salad. 566 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: I still haven't gotten any okay, all right, anyway, Christine wrote, 567 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: this is another long one, suckers. I was extremely excited 568 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 2: to see the title of the bone marrow episode pop 569 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: up in my notifications because I love beef bone marrow. 570 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: It is my favorite part of the cow and I 571 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 2: love cows. Sheet marrow is quite fine as well. My 572 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: favorite recipe is also buco paired with a risotto a 573 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 2: la milanaise. Why interfere with the classics? However, I also 574 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 2: have a recipe for a fruit and custard tart from 575 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 2: fifteenth century England that features bone marrow. You line a 576 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 2: tartshell with roughly chopped dates and prunes, then put chunks 577 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: of bone marrow on top of the fruit. This is 578 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: baked until the marrow melts. Then an egg and cream 579 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 2: custard is carefully poured into the tart. Sugar is sprinkled 580 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 2: on top, and the tart is baked until the custard 581 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 2: has set. The end product is not too sweet and 582 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 2: a beautiful savory richness. If doing a medieval feast, it's 583 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 2: a good dish to serve in the first course to 584 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 2: follow the medieval trend of serving sweet and savory dishes together. 585 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: Bone marrow could be added to the filling of pies 586 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: and pastries to add extra flavor and moisture, particularly if 587 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: the filling uses a lean meat. I found this at 588 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: a number of fifteenth and sixteenth century German recipes, and 589 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: I'll have to look for other places using this technique. 590 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: An Australian having to research pie recipes. Oh, the torture. 591 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 2: I found another sixteenth century German fig pie recipe consisting 592 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: of dried figs, bone marrow, spices and wine. I think 593 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 2: I shall have to try this and flatten flatbreads sure 594 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: covered with a mix of beef mints, bone marrow, cheese, 595 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: eggs and spices before baking. Oh you might wonder why 596 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 2: the concentration on German recipes. It was your mention of 597 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 2: German breaded bone marrow balls. This got me excited because 598 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 2: breaded fried bone marrow fritters might just be better than 599 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: fried chicken. I have actually tried a Heston Blumenthal recipe 600 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 2: for something similar, but it was extremely complicated. No really, 601 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: I googled for German bone marrow recipes and found a 602 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 2: bone marrow dumpling soup delicious, but not what I was 603 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 2: looking for. Still, your description of breaded bone marrow balls 604 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 2: called to mind a class of recipes from sixteenth century 605 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 2: Germany called bachan balls or fritters. One much loved recipe 606 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 2: gives you a historical equivalent of chicken nuggets. Or you 607 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 2: could try cheese baccan, and you can eat either hot 608 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: or cold. Sadly, I haven't turned up any recipes for 609 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 2: bone marrow bacan, and I only have a limited collection 610 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 2: of translated German cooking texts, but I know people who 611 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 2: do and who can read and translate them, and if 612 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 2: nothing else, I suppose I can always adapt the Thermo 613 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 2: mix bone marrow fritters recipe. 614 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: Oh oh, my good gosh, all of this sounds so good. 615 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: All of this, Yes, yes, I love this. I love 616 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: the history. Once again, thank you. Yeah, these dishes I 617 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: hadn't heard of. I did try to find. I've tried 618 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: to find bel Meron. Then I tried to find Osabuko. 619 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: I have found some places that have it. So i'm 620 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: i'm I'm You're on your way, Okay, I'm all my way, 621 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm all my way. I do feel you in terms 622 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:32,359 Speaker 1: of having to research uh oh yeah, oh no, right, yeah, yeah, 623 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: I did have a friend of mine who listens to 624 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: the show. She she texted me the other day and 625 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: was like, why do you always give me these cravings? 626 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: And I was like, how do you think? Are FO 627 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: a little astramatic than that? 628 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, no, that's I mean, we do it 629 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: to ourselves basically every episode, so that. 630 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, But all of this, Oh sounds so good 631 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: because I really think I've only had it in kind 632 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: of you eat it out at the bone, put it 633 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: on toast. I don't think I've ever really ventured out. 634 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe, aside from I've had a go before. 635 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's basically it. I'm also quite 636 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: intrigued about Sheet Marrow, and because I hadn't, I kind 637 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 2: of glossed over animals other than beef in the episode, 638 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 2: and now I'm curious about whether, like Sheep and Goat, 639 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 2: Marrow taste a little bit like sheep and Goat, which 640 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: I can only assume that they would that kind of 641 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 2: Barney game me sort of sort of taste. Yeah, so 642 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 2: so curious. 643 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right in let us know. 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