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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, there are breakups and

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Speaker 1: then there are breakups. In the last hours, a stunning

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend to a Castleton bar, Tilly's Pub and grill

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Speaker 1: by way of an air tag, convinced he's with another woman,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven. What was this woman thinking? Galen Marris Young

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Speaker 1: attractive the world before her, but she just can't stand

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Speaker 1: it when her boyfriend Andre, she's convinced anyway, is with

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Speaker 1: another woman. The two were not married, they could date

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Speaker 1: other people, they didn't share a child together. Nothing know

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Speaker 1: anything in the last hours, a jury speaks. So how

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Speaker 1: did this whole thing unfold? First of all, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at WISHTV.

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Speaker 2: Smith was pronounced dead just before one o'clock Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: His family had rushed to the scene on eat eighty

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Speaker 3: It's a memory that will haunt them forever.

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Speaker 4: To like an edible industry.

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Speaker 1: I don't want nobody to love me that hard.

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Speaker 2: If you've got to take my life, the emotions are

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Speaker 2: still very wrong. Smith's ants, Bredika and Sandra Day, described

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Speaker 1: Car crying for help as he was trying to raise

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Speaker 1: And don't get it a strength this young man, this

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Speaker 1: Andre Smith. The thought of him being mowed down seemingly

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Speaker 2: Within minutes, Smith was pronounced dead by the Indianapolis Fire Department.

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Speaker 2: His last moments are replayed in the collective memory of

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Speaker 4: It replays every time I bleink right now, it replays

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Speaker 4: every time we have to talk about it, or if.

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Speaker 1: I'm sleep at night. So I can.

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Speaker 4: Only imagine how my sister is feeling right now. I

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Speaker 4: could only imagine it's one thing to you know, injure

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Speaker 1: While they are are yelling for help, help me.

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Speaker 6: A young man and a young lady inside of Calli's.

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Speaker 1: Whoever you are, our hearts go.

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Speaker 4: Out to you and we date you from the bottom

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Speaker 1: And even in the midst of all that pain, Andre's

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now in the brutal murder of

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Speaker 1: This is Andre's mother, Miss Sanders. I do not know

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Speaker 1: what you're going through. First of all, what are your

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Speaker 7: I'm currently taking anxiety medications. I can't. I have to

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Speaker 7: They he didn't have any information on my son Andre.

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Speaker 1: Was located in heaven. Did you say you blacked out?

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan with me Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Death Investigator Starving You Hit series Body Bags with Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on iHeart I could go on. But Joe Scott,

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Speaker 1: what is that? Because you heard miss Sanders, this is

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Speaker 1: Andre Smith's mother say she blacked out, which I take

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Speaker 8: It's almost like a shock, a sudden shock. And when

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold renowned psychiatrists joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com Doctor Angie, what I guess

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott would have a physical explanation about your blood

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, Nancy, it's it's traumatic. So in all

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Speaker 6: and I understand that the mom is taking some anti

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Speaker 1: because she can't get enough help right now.

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Speaker 6: And Nancy, it's a trauma. It is a trauma, and

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Speaker 6: But she has to survive because she's the survivor.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, Galen

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Speaker 1: At trial, amazing, the defense attorney tried to argue that

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Speaker 1: What more do we know to miss Sanders, that's her

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Speaker 7: When we got to Tilly's Pub where his body was

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. You can find him on Twitter at Richard

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Speaker 1: You start me off, Richard Essex, thank you for being

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Speaker 10: Well, from talking to the police and talking to Miss

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Speaker 11: It almost brings me to tears. Just listening to you,

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Speaker 1: What happened and more from our friends at WISA. This

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Speaker 11: Some people tell me this is an unusual occurrence for

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Speaker 13: I've never been there, but I know just this area

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Speaker 1: Very clean and nice.

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Speaker 8: People should, you know, try to get together and get along,

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Speaker 11: Police are asking anyone with any information to come forward.

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Speaker 1: joining us from WISH So Richard, I'm hearing witnesses speaking

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Speaker 1: just because you're in a nice area, you are not

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Speaker 3: Minneapolis and an area of town that has some of

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Speaker 11: There's some of the cleaner shopping malls. It is a

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Speaker 3: But like every other city, major city in America.

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Speaker 11: Indianapolis is not insulated from the violence that has been

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Speaker 1: And what about this restaurant, Chilli's. Is it Chili's Pub?

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Speaker 3: It's s Tilly's Pub. It has been around for a

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Speaker 1: When you say expensive shops, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Brooks Brothers.

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Speaker 11: You know that type.

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Speaker 3: It's more of a higher end shopping center.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty high end. You know, the Golden fleece and

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Speaker 1: Forget it? Okay, I get your drift. Fancy people, fancy stores,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Celebs hanging out at this bar.

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Speaker 1: NBA players hanging out at this bar. Daryl Cohen joining

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen Man. I learned that pretty quickly when I

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Speaker 1: approached by a man on the corner waving a glassing bag.

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Speaker 1: Get out a dead docted the case, all right? I

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Speaker 1: what happened? A guy waved a glassing bag of ope

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Speaker 1: I revived the case. Long story short. There are areas

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Speaker 8: Fancy, this is different.

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Speaker 3: This is targeted crime.

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Speaker 7: This happens.

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Speaker 1: So you believe Daryl Cohen that this was targeted. I

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Speaker 1: got to agree with you. When somebody, I mean Richard Essex,

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Speaker 1: didn't the driver run over Andre three times?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you look back through the report, he could

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Speaker 1: Fourth attempt, so they had to run over, back up,

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Speaker 14: Andrea and his friend as they were coming out of Tilly's,

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Speaker 1: Over him, run over him again twice. Guys, and then

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Speaker 15: New Info and the death of the man whose girlfriend

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Speaker 15: Court documents revealed that Gaylen Morris told Plice she did

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Speaker 15: not mean to run over Andre Smith. She actually told

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Speaker 15: She didn't admitted to placing it in the back seat.

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Speaker 1: AirTag transferred intent. I didn't mean to run over him,

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Speaker 1: I meant to run over and kill her. Videos shown

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Speaker 1: that trials shows the defendant, Galen Morrison, screaming the name

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Speaker 1: That bodycam video was played day two of her murder trial.

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Speaker 1: One prosecution witness testified, when somebody's in a parking lot,

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Speaker 1: you don't hear them rev up. They gain acceleration with time,

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Speaker 1: So apparently she was revving the car, The witness says,

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Speaker 1: To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, when did

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Speaker 7: And see, I found out when I died on the

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Speaker 1: Did you know her?

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Speaker 7: I had met her because they've been knowing each other

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Speaker 7: for quice some time. They've been dating off and off

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Speaker 1: What does she how does she sing to you? How

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Speaker 1: Where were you when you met her?

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Speaker 7: He had brought her to a house that I was

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Speaker 1: And she seemed normal.

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Speaker 7: During that time. Yes, you just seem like a regular person,

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Speaker 1: This reminds me so much of a case we'd covered

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Speaker 5: According to Hickman's family, Dix had started stalking her former

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Speaker 1: To stalk someone, To electronically stalk someone, in this case,

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Speaker 16: Court documents state that Galen Morris told another woman she

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Speaker 16: had used an AirTag to track Andre Smith to Tilly's

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Speaker 1: Another woman to Lapricius Sanders, joining us, this is Andre's mother.

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Speaker 1: So if these reports are in fact true, and I

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Speaker 1: age twenty six, sto your son like a deer, like

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Speaker 1: She stalked him with an air tag.

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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am, it was the AirTag.

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Speaker 1: When did you learn that?

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Speaker 1: And they were broken up, weren't they? Hadn't he broken

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Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am. He had separated from her. He was currently

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Speaker 1: So this was a fresh breakup. Yeah, he had moved

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Speaker 1: mobile device forensic expert COO of Oxygen Forensics, Ain't, an

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Speaker 1: author of Mobile Forensic Investigations A guide to Evidence collection. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Explain what is an air tag and how does that work?

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Speaker 8: Sure?

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Speaker 9: So it's really not new technology. You know, it's a

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Speaker 9: Bluetooth low energy device. So what that simply means is

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Speaker 9: here's an example McDonald's. McDonald's is one of the largest

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying. I'm sorry they did

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Speaker 9: Sure, So if you go in. We'll take another example.

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Speaker 9: A lot of grocery stores will use these bluetooth beacons.

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Speaker 9: So you're going down and you're thinking about buying some soup,

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Speaker 9: and then all of a sudden, on your phone, you

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Speaker 9: now receive an AD for Campbell's Chunky soup that you

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Speaker 9: might be looking for. Those pop up on your phone. Right.

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Speaker 9: And so in the case of these or earned air

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Speaker 9: tag simply Apple calls us an I beacon and what

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Speaker 9: it allows people to do using the find My service

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Speaker 9: of Apple to be able to track these little tokens

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Speaker 9: if they place them on an object.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, when you say a token, you mean the

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Speaker 1: air tag looks like, for instance, a suitcase tag that

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Speaker 1: you put on there with your name on it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Just to think of it just an object, a

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Speaker 9: physical object that you can place.

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Speaker 1: Lee Reber hold on one second, I think miss Sanders

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Speaker 1: won't say, And go ahead, Miss Sanders.

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Speaker 7: What Lee Reaver is trying to explain? I was told

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Speaker 7: that my son by the young lady that was with

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Speaker 7: him at Tilly's. He kept telling her that someone is

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Speaker 7: tracking us, but he didn't he didn't know it was

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Speaker 7: a device in his car. But he know he was

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Speaker 7: being tracked by someone, but he didn't think it was

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Speaker 7: the girl, the Galen girl, or you know, he just

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Speaker 7: didn't know who was. So they checked him, the young

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Speaker 7: lady was that he was with at the Silly Club.

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Speaker 7: They checked the car, They checked around. They didn't find

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Speaker 7: anything because it looked like a quarter or something. It

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Speaker 7: was underneath his passenger seat. So he knew he was

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Speaker 7: being followed, but he didn't know by who or anything

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Speaker 7: like that.

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Speaker 1: Can I wait a minute. Then Lee Reeber, how would

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Speaker 1: he have known he was being followed?

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So the interesting thing that Apple actually added was the

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Speaker 9: ability because when they first released with the air tags,

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Speaker 9: this is a big issue and it still is a

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Speaker 9: big issue with stocking, is that these sounds they weren't hearing,

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Speaker 9: They wouldn't know really that they had a device that was, say,

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Speaker 9: following them or within their vehicle. Now Apple's actually added

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Speaker 9: so that if they have an iPhone or an eye

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Speaker 9: device it then they get a notification on their device indicating, hey,

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Speaker 9: you have an unknown device writing this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, write a minute. So let me try to translate

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Speaker 1: what you're saying into regular people talk. I think what

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Speaker 1: you just said is if some if you have, if

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Speaker 1: you're being tricked by an air tag, then you'll hear

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Speaker 1: a little book or a little something, a pain or

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Speaker 1: electronic sound notifying you that somewhere around you there's an AirTag.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you just said?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 9: Correct?

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Speaker 1: And so it is.

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Speaker 9: It's because it's a it's not pair to stay your device, right,

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Speaker 9: it's an unknown it's an unknown device or air tag

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Speaker 9: that was you know, within the area that you are in.

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Speaker 1: Richard Essex joining us in wish that air tags would

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Speaker 1: be used in such a nefarious way as they were

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Speaker 1: by this woman, Galen Morris, aged twenty six, to track

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Speaker 1: down her ex Andre like a dog.

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Speaker 11: She apparently told somebody in the parking lot that she

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Speaker 11: that there was a GPS monitoring device in his car,

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Speaker 11: and she knew that his car.

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Speaker 3: Was in that parking lot.

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Speaker 11: And she had been questioning people up and down in

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Speaker 11: front of this shopping area.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen a guy that with this description inside

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Speaker 3: of the bar?

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Speaker 11: And she was walking up and down and she saw it,

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Speaker 11: so she she knew exactly where his car was, and.

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Speaker 3: She went up and down trying to find him.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sick of about it. I'm just sick about it,

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Speaker 1: and over what a breakup? I mean, Miss Sanders. Has

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Speaker 1: this woman tried to communicate with you, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: She better not try to communicate with me, because right

516
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 7: now my family and I are hoarded. We're hurting really

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Speaker 7: really bad. I'm lost, I'm numb. I don't feel like

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Speaker 7: I even have a soul anymore. She's my son for me.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days. A

520
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: sentence goes down on a woman who mows down her lover.

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Speaker 1: Out of sheer rage because he had a date with

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Speaker 1: another woman, she tracked him with an air tag. The

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Speaker 1: first cop to arrive at the scene immediately cuffed her,

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Speaker 1: and she admitted she tracked the victim to the bar

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Speaker 1: with an apple AirTag. She reportedly confronted the victim, they

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00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: got into an argument, and then got into an argument

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00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: with the date for the night before they were all

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Speaker 1: told to leave. The defendant left first and was waiting

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Speaker 1: in her car waiting for the boyfriend to come out.

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Speaker 1: To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, what was

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Speaker 1: he like as a little boy?

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Speaker 7: Oh man, it's full of joy. He loved to wrap,

533
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Speaker 7: he loved to play. He was just like a normal

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Speaker 7: typical kid. He was a love child, like everybody loves

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00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 7: joy like that was a love child. He was a

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Speaker 7: sweet percy. He wouldn't harm anybody. He just loved to

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Speaker 7: put a whole clothes. He love clothes. His shooting duo.

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Speaker 7: That was that was that. He just he didn't deserve

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Speaker 7: what she did to my side.

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Speaker 17: And you know, just Scott, what he went through, what

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Speaker 17: he went through. He did not die immediately, and to

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Speaker 17: die up under a car like that, trying to lift

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Speaker 17: up his head, trying to live. He did not die immediately,

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Speaker 17: just Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 8: No, he didn't. And but this is uh, this is

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Speaker 8: you know, you you'll have as Darrely pointed out, just

547
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 8: a moment ago, he was struck multiple times. And unlike

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Speaker 8: a firearm when you use a car to facilitate something

549
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 8: like that, each one of these contacts leaves a specific

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Speaker 8: type of evidence relative to an individual's body. And so

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00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 8: you'll have a bumper mark, remember he was. They described

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Speaker 8: it as being having him having been clipped initially, which

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Speaker 8: essentially knocks him to the ground by the bumper and

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00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 8: will find on his box what's referred to as a

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Speaker 8: bumper markets this a braided area. I suspect that this

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Speaker 8: isn't just blunt force trauma, Nancy. I suspect that this

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Speaker 8: there is a compression element that is involved in this,

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Speaker 8: where there was an a sixial event that occurred.

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Speaker 1: Are trying to say he couldn't breathe.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, his chest couldn't rise and fall because of it.

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Speaker 7: I can't take it. I can't take it anymore. I

562
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Speaker 7: have to go.

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Speaker 8: I can't tell you.

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Speaker 1: I can't miss Sanders. I understand, Please Jackie let her

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Speaker 1: go because this is too much for her. I mean,

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Speaker 1: doctor Angie, did you hear that the mother can't even

567
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: stand to hear these facts about her son. This is

568
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Speaker 1: a disorder that this girl had, but it is not insanity.

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Speaker 1: You tell me, it's some type of disorder.

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Speaker 6: Yes, NISI there's actually a name for this. It's called

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Speaker 6: obsessive love disorder. And everything about this woman projects this

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Speaker 6: disorder to me.

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Speaker 1: Now, I hear you're saying disorder on the street from me,

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00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: regular vernacular disorder measures you're ill. This girl is not ill.

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Speaker 1: She's angry, and yes, she's obsessed, but that is not

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Speaker 1: a defense, doctor Angie Arnold.

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00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 6: No, I am not saying it's a defense. But I'll

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Speaker 6: tell you something, Nancy. The reason I bring it up

579
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Speaker 6: is because if other people know the signs of things

580
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Speaker 6: like this that they can look out for in someone

581
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Speaker 6: that is perhaps glomming on to their child and trying

582
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Speaker 6: to make a relationship with that child. People need to

583
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 6: be able to look out for these signs and symptoms.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that's I think that that's something

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Speaker 6: else that we bring to this, to what you do

586
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 6: on this, Okay, Nancy, I want people besides me to

587
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: know the signs and symptoms of something like this so

588
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 6: they can look for it.

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00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Right, What give me some signs and symptoms.

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00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 7: Okay.

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00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 6: Some of the symptoms can include, you have an overwhelming

592
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 6: attraction to one person. Okay, then you start to have

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00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: obsessive thoughts about that person. You may feel the need

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00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 6: to protect the person that you're in love with. Okay.

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00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 6: You also become very possessive of them, extreme jealousy over

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00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 6: any kind of other interpersonal interactions that they have. And

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00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: typically the person with this disorder actually has a very

598
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 6: low self esteem. Okay, you'll see. You'll see them sending

599
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 6: repeated texts and emails and phone calls. They have a

600
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 6: constant need for reassurance. They have a hard time maintaining

601
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 6: friendships with other people because of their obsession with this

602
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 6: one person. So you said, we heard in this that

603
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 6: they had been together for three years, and something that

604
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: really struck me was that the mother didn't really know

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00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 6: her very well. She had only met her like three times.

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Speaker 1: Justice has unfolded in a court of law Galen Morris

607
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: guilty of voluntary manslaughter in the brutal death of her

608
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: boyfriend Andre Smith. But it will never bring him back,

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Speaker 1: and his mother still grieving. Goodbye friend,