1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's a Wednesday in mid March, and twenty nine year 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: old k Abrigo Garcia is driving home. He just picked 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: up his five year old son at grandma's house. Kilmar 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: notices some sort of law enforcement vehicle trying to pull 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: him over. Kilmar is not far from home, so he 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: pulls into an Ikea parking lot. He rolls down the 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: window of his car and thinks that this is just 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: going to be a regular traffic stop. He calls his wife, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Jennifer Vasquez Sura, and she tells him to put her 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: on speaker. Jennifer can now hear the officer tell Kilmar 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to turn off the car and step outside of his vehicle. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: Kilmar says his son is in the backseat and that 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: he has special needs. Then Kilmar's phone goes silent. A 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: few minutes later, Jennifer gets a phone call from someone 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: who says they're with the Department of Homeland Security. You 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: need to come get your son. When she arrives, she 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: sees her husband sitting on the curb in handcuffs. Their 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: son is crying hysterically, and the officials on the scene 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: tell her that Gilmar's immigration status has changed and that 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: they're going to take him away. The couple is sure 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: this is a mistake and that whatever is going on 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: will be resolved soon. Jennifer never could have imagined what 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: would come next. 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: And she'd told me Lindsey that the only reason she 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: was able to confirm that he indeed had been imprisoned 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: at this notorious mega prison is because the Salvadoran government 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: posted a photo of her husband and she was able 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: to identify him. 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: The Trump administration initially admitted they made a mistake, that 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: they sent Kilmar to El Salvador's Mega prison because of 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: an administrative error. 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: If the Supreme Court said bring somebody back out with you, 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: that I respect. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has ordered them to correct this error. 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: But now Trump is defying the Supreme Court, saying Kilmar 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: will stay in Salvador and hurling our country into a 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis. From Vuduro media and PRX, It's Latino Usa. 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm Maria jo Josa. Today we're looking at what's at 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: stake in the deportations to El Salvador. Later, the story 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: of a Venezuelan man who was also sent to El 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Salvador's prison simply because of his tattoos. And why do 42 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: process rights for all Americans are in fact affected by 43 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: cases like these. Let's get back to Kim Abrego Garcias's story. 44 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: Now you've seen the coverage of it everywhere. 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: An administrative error. That's how ICE is explaining why a 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: Maryland man with protective legal status was sent to a 47 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 4: notorious prison in El Salvador. Kilmar Abrego Garcia's attorneys are 48 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: now asking the government of El Salvador to return him. 49 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: The Supreme Court blocking the deportation of some Venezuelan migrants 50 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: accused by the Trump administration of being gang members under 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: the Alien Enemies Act, a century's old law that provides 52 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 5: little to no due process. 53 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Guiedemud has been locked away in El Salvador for more 54 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: than a month now. He has never been charged with 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: a crime in the United States, but the Trump administration 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: has still accused him of being a gang member. 57 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 6: This man is a very violent person, and they want 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 6: this man to be brought back into our country where 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 6: he can be free. 60 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: The Trump administration is using a restraining order once filed 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: by Guiedemard's wife to prove he should be deported, but 62 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: his wife said that she and guiedmad have worked past 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: arguments that happened years ago. 64 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 7: The President doubled down today, alleging mister Garcia is a 65 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 7: criminal and setting up the question what happens if the 66 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 7: Trump administration constantly ignores the courts. 67 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: Gilmer's wife, who is a US citizen, has continued to 68 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: speak out on his behalf to try to get him 69 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: back home. 70 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 8: He is a father, a son, a brother, and a 71 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 8: proud member of GASSA who has dedicated hi himself to 72 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 8: make our families American dream reality, and we will never 73 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 8: give up on you Kilmar. 74 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Democratic members of Congress have said Gilmar, like all people 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: in the United States, has a constitutional right to defend 76 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: himself against accusations. This issue is more than about Kilmore. 77 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: It's about due process. We all should be terrified. And 78 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: on the Republican side, there's also been pushbacking. 79 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: A guy from mel Salvador. 80 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Like at a constituent meeting with Iowa Senator Chuck Grass recently, 81 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: what are you going to do about these people who 82 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: have been sentenced to life's imprisonment in a foreign country. 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: With no due process? 84 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: Why won't you do your job? 85 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 9: Yeah? 86 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: And this is how New York Times opinion writer Ezra 87 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Clente sees it. 88 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 10: This is not about their guilt. It is about his power. 89 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 10: This is how dictatorships work. Trump has always been clear 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 10: about who he is and the kind of power he wants. 91 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: So we're going to start our show by looking at 92 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: what this case means for all of us when it 93 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: comes to due process. For that, I'm going to be 94 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: in conversation with Laura Muckergee. She's a lawyer. She's also 95 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the director of the Columbia University Law School Immigrant Writes Clinic. 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Laura Muckergee, Welcome to Latino, USA. 97 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me so Laura. 98 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: This term constitutional crisis has been kind of swirling above 99 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: the United States of America for a while now. A 100 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of people in mainstream media saying we are inching 101 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: closer to a constitutional crisis, but you actually say we 102 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: are at that moment. 103 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 9: We are in a moment of constitutional crisis. The executive 104 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 9: branch is pushing the bounds of executive power well beyond 105 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 9: what is set up in the checks and balances system 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 9: of our US Constitution. The President and his administration have 107 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 9: been in flat out defiance of multiple federal court orders, 108 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 9: including in mister Kilmara Brigo Garcia's case flat out defiance 109 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 9: of a US Supreme Court order. Our nation has rarely 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 9: seen moments like this, and we are in a moment 111 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 9: of constitutional crisis right now. But the constitutional crisis didn't 112 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 9: just develop over the past month. We've been in a 113 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 9: moment of constitutional crisis since January twentieth. 114 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: That's a good one. Birthright, that's a big one. 115 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 9: The President signed an executive order purporting to end birthright 116 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 9: citizenship for large numbers of people who would be born 117 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 9: in the United States. This shows a president who is 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 9: in willful disregard of the clear language of the US Constitution, 119 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 9: and that is the moment when the constitutional crisis began. 120 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: So at this point where there is this clear defiance, 121 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: not once, but multiple times, what happens next. 122 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 9: That's the big question. We are seeing that there is 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 9: increasing public concern about what the president is doing. We're 124 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 9: seeing this through mass protests and rallies in the street. 125 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 9: We are seeing this through many district court opinions for 126 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 9: district court opinions that are trying to rein in and 127 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 9: check the executive branch. At the same time, we're also 128 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 9: seeing Congress try to step in. In recent days, Senator 129 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 9: Van Holland from Maryland went down to El Salvador. 130 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 11: I called Jennifer to tell her that I had met 131 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 11: with Kilmore, and I told her what he said to me, 132 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 11: which was first and foremost, that he missed he and 133 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 11: his family. 134 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 9: That is an example of Congress trying to check the 135 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 9: abuses of the executive branch. But in terms of your 136 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 9: big question, Maria, what will happen next to our constitutional democracy? 137 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 9: It is unclear. 138 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: I have to say, Laura, there are many days, too 139 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: many when I wake up and I say, how is 140 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: it possible that the one thing that I have been 141 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: reporting on right for decades, kind of saying immigrants, those 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: of us not or in this country we are canaries 143 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: in the mind, the racism, the prejudice against us. It 144 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: is I'm raising the red flag. But how have we 145 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: gotten to where we are now in terms of immigration 146 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: policies and frankly the role of the Supreme Court in 147 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: getting us to this point? 148 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 9: Maria? That's a question I also ask myself on almost 149 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 9: a daily basis, how have we gotten to this point? 150 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 9: How has it gotten so bad? How is it possible 151 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 9: that our nation's immigration policy is now driven by cruelty, 152 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 9: white nationalism, xenophobia, and racism. How are we at a 153 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 9: point where the President has now repeatedly openly said that 154 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 9: the next group of people he's going to deport are 155 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 9: those who are homegrown, meaning US citizens born on US soil, 156 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 9: who he wants to remove from the United States, and 157 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 9: flagrant violation of multiple provisions of the US Constitution and 158 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 9: long standing US Supreme Court precedent. I think part of 159 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 9: the challenge is that we have lost a majority of 160 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 9: the Supreme Court for years to come. There are decisions 161 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 9: from the Supreme Court, including the Muslim ban decision from 162 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 9: the first Trump administration that has laid a foundation for 163 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 9: emboldening the second Trump administration into thinking that they can 164 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 9: do basically what they wish with regard to immigration policy. 165 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 9: And the Trump administration this time around has had four 166 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 9: years to prepare their agenda, and unlike the first time around, 167 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 9: this time they came in prepared and they have carried 168 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 9: out so many changes in three months time startling. It's overwhelming, 169 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 9: and I think very few people expected it to be 170 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 9: this bad, this fast. 171 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: When we come back, I pick up my conversation with 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: Attorney Laura Mukherjee later We're going to talk about what 173 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: everyday people can do at a moment like this. Stay 174 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: with us, Yes, Hey, we're back. When we left off, 175 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: we heard about Guilmar Abrego Garciez case. He's a man 176 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: who the administration initially admitted was in fact wrongfully sent 177 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: to El Salvador. The US Supreme Court has ruled that 178 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: the administration must right it's wrong. But the ruling seems 179 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: to be ignored. So let's return now to my conversation 180 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: with a. Laura Mukerjee. She's a lawyer and director of 181 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: the Columbia University Law School Immigrant Rights Clinic. We're going 182 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: to discuss what Kilmar's case means for everyone in the 183 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: United States. So what the Supreme Court said is essentially 184 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: on April tenth, that the Trump administration must facilitate Kilmar's return. 185 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: That hasn't happened. Where are we at in terms of 186 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: this particular case. 187 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 9: Mister Kilmara Brigo Garcia's case is an example of the 188 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 9: Supreme Court giving the executive branch some room in terms 189 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 9: of its choices about what to do. The District Court 190 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 9: in mister Kilmara Brigo Garcia's case required the executive branch 191 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 9: to facilitate and effectuate his return to the US. The 192 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 9: District court's opinion gave the executive branch no wiggle room 193 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 9: in terms of bringing him back to the US. The 194 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 9: Supreme Court, on the other hand, and made the district 195 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 9: courts ruling a bit more lacks a bit more room 196 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 9: for there to be an argument that the executive branch 197 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 9: could quote unquote facilitate his return, but that it was 198 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 9: not required to bring him back. 199 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: So let's just take it to the next level, right, So, 200 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: is there anything that the Supreme Court can do to 201 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: make the federal government comply with an order? What are 202 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: other ways that we can be sure that the administration 203 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: follows the law as handed down by the Supreme Court. 204 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 9: Mister Guilmara Brigo Garcia's case is challenging. He is no 205 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 9: longer on US soil. He's in El Salvador, in this 206 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 9: prison with horrendous conditions. It is potentially difficult for federal 207 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 9: courts to demand that he be brought back. And I 208 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 9: think the Supreme Court is increasingly realizing that we are 209 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 9: in a moment of constitutional crisis, and that is why 210 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 9: over the weekend, it seems like the Supreme Court didn't 211 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 9: give the executive branch the benefit of the doubt when 212 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 9: they heard from the ACLU that dozens and dozens of 213 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 9: Venezuela and men were being prepared to be put on 214 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 9: a deportation flight to El Salvador. That is why the 215 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 9: US Supreme Court in that case moved much faster and 216 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 9: issued a short order just before one am on Saturday. 217 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 9: This is extremely unusual for the US Supreme Court to 218 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 9: move so fast to issue a summary order stopping deportations, 219 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 9: and the Supreme Court when it issued that order just 220 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 9: before one am on Saturday, they didn't even allow sufficient 221 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 9: time for two dissenting justices, Justice Thomas and Justice Alito 222 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 9: to file and publish their descents at that time. Their 223 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 9: dissent came later in the day. This is an example 224 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 9: of the Supreme Court, I think, recognizing the constitutional crisis 225 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 9: we're in and realizing that the Court's legitimacy, the legitimacy 226 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 9: of the third branch of government depends on how they 227 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 9: respond to accesses and abuses by the executive branch. But 228 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 9: the courts alone will not save us in this moment. 229 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 9: We need Congress to step in in the way that 230 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 9: Senator Van Holland has tried to and we need the 231 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 9: American people to be vocal in trying to constrain the 232 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 9: executive branch, to be out in the street, peacefully protesting. 233 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 12: Demonstrations against President Donald Trump are happening in Washington, DC 234 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 12: and cities across the nation today too. 235 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 5: Rallies in downtown LA. 236 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 12: Dozens of people rallied in front of the New York 237 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 12: Public Library. Demonstrators say they feel deportations are happening without 238 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 12: due process. 239 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: Can I ask you specifically though, about that question of 240 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: as dollar is where that would say people power right, 241 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: people taking to the streets. What is the power legally 242 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: in terms of when you're in a constitutional crisis of 243 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: people taking to the streets. 244 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 9: Court decisions don't happen in a vacuum. Court decisions are 245 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 9: responsive to social movements, movements of racial justice, immigrants rights, 246 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 9: and other movements of the moment. It is unclear whether 247 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 9: the Supreme Court would have issued its decisions Saturday just 248 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 9: before one am if there had not already been massive 249 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 9: protests in the streets across the United States and in 250 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 9: cities around the world, and if members of Congress were 251 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 9: not also trying to constrain the executive branch. This is 252 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 9: a particular moment in time where the American people are 253 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 9: critical for determining the future for our country. 254 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: And now I actually want to turn towards somebody who 255 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: is not an American citizen but is playing a central 256 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: role in all of this, and that is Salvadoran President 257 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: Naibu Kele. 258 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 13: We just saw some of this over office exchange with 259 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 13: during Trump and the President El Salvador. That president was asked, 260 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 13: are you going to send Albrigo Versiam back? 261 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 4: And he said he doesn't have the authority the power 262 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 4: to send kill mar Bringo Garcia back to the United States. 263 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: What do you make of this taunting? And does the 264 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: United States legally have the ability to do anything regarding this? 265 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 9: The taunting of the federal courts, of the American public, 266 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 9: of concerned immigrants, immigrant communities, immigrants rights advocates is a show, 267 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 9: and it is appalling to see how these two presidents 268 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 9: seem to be disregarding completely, willfully disregarding the rule of flaw. 269 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been hearing a Laura 270 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: on the ground as I've been talking to Latinos and 271 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: non Latinos, is a response essentially that says, well, our 272 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: country has been invaded from the southern border. It's out 273 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: of control. The people who have been taken are they 274 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: would say illegal, a term I don't use. They are undocumented. 275 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: They must have done some to deserve this. What's your 276 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: response when you hear that kind of argument? 277 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 9: That type of argument seems to be somewhat of a 278 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 9: self protective mechanism, So it can happen to them, it 279 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 9: can't happen to me. But if we look at Venezuela 280 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 9: nationals who've been taken to El Salvador, overwhelmingly they do 281 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 9: not have criminal convictions, certainly not that are serious. Some 282 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 9: are simply tattoo artists. Many had pending asylum applications. Many 283 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 9: were complying with all of the requirements set forth by 284 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 9: ICE in terms of showing up for their check ins 285 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 9: and going to immigration corps, and they had hearings scheduled 286 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 9: in their cases. Similarly, the targeting of lawful permanent residents 287 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 9: is nearly unheard of, so in terms of the foreign 288 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 9: policy deportability ground. Before March of twenty twenty five, it 289 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 9: was invoked by the Secretary of State in only fifteen 290 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 9: known cases in US history, and never before March twenty 291 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 9: twenty five was invoked against lawful permanent residents period, and 292 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 9: certainly not against lawful permanent residents who had no criminal 293 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 9: records had been living in the United States peacefully for years. 294 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 9: We are living in a dangerous moment, an unprecedented moment, 295 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 9: where rights that I took absolutely for granted four months 296 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 9: ago are being questioned and challenged to a degree that 297 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 9: I never imagined possible, and it's resulting in people making 298 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 9: changes to their daily lives. People are reaching out to 299 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 9: me on a daily basis, asking should I post on 300 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 9: social media? Should I go to protests, Should I travel abroad? 301 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 9: Should I travel domestically? People are really scared right now, 302 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 9: and it's not people who have been accused of or 303 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 9: been convicted of crimes. It's ordinary people, law abiding people 304 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 9: who are being swept up in this moment that we're 305 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 9: in of ramped up immigration enforcement. 306 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: The administration continues relentlessly to say these things about Quirimara 307 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: Abrego Garcia in terms of wanting to paint him as 308 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: somebody with a criminal record. There has been no legal 309 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: proof of any of the things that they've been saying, 310 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: which leads me to the question that, well, any of 311 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: us then could be in the same situation right where 312 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: you are taken and essentially denied due process, and that 313 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: we don't have cases presented against us that are factual? 314 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Am I pushing the envelope too far? How alarmed do 315 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: American citizens and those of US who are not born 316 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: in the country need to be about this administration taking 317 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: us and not having to present any evidence against us. 318 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 9: I am alarmed. I know many others are alarmed to. 319 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 9: It is a moment that raises deep alarms. And Maria, 320 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 9: it's not just you who is worrying about this. Justice 321 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 9: Sonia Soto Mayor wrote in her dissenting opinion that if 322 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 9: the executive Branch is to be taken at its word 323 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 9: in terms of the reach of its executive authority, than 324 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 9: all people, including US citizens born on US soil, could 325 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 9: be subject to summary deportations from the United States with 326 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 9: no due process of law. 327 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: So you're raising the red flag. It's a huge red flag. 328 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: You're waving it, or you're just standing there with the 329 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: red flag, but it could start to get waved more 330 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: intensely any day now. 331 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 14: I've been waving the red flag for months now. Yes, 332 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 14: I am standing there, I'm not just waving a red flag. 333 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 14: I'm waving a red banner. I'm getting as many people 334 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 14: as I can to wave it with me. 335 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 9: I think it's really important for a mess Americans at 336 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 9: this moment to realize that we are at a tipping point. Either, 337 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 9: depending on the choices we collectively make at this point, 338 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 9: we will save our constitutional democracy or our nation will 339 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 9: fall to authoritarianism. 340 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: Laura, thank you so much for speaking with me on 341 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: Let the Know USA. 342 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 9: Thank you, Maria. 343 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: That was a Laura Muckerjee. She's a lawyer and director 344 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: of the Columbia University Law School Immigrant Rights Clinic. Now, 345 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: dear listener, we're going to bring you the story of 346 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: another man who has removed from the country without due process. 347 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: His story has never been told. In fact, his family 348 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: spoke exclusively to Leatino USA. His case shows how the 349 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: US government is using tattoos to miss label and discriminate 350 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: against immigrants. It was about a year ago when Thatio 351 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: left his home country of Venezuela. He trekked through the 352 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: dangerous Dadian Gap, and then he crossed through several Central 353 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: American countries along the way. That Io tried to stay 354 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: in touch with his mom Paula, who was in Venezuela 355 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: also with his older brother Ramido. He had emigrated more 356 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: than two years before and was already in the United States. 357 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: Over his month's long journey, Thatio sent them messages, short 358 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: but vital ones to show that he was okay, like 359 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: this one where he's talking about the money that he 360 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: needs in order to keep moving North. 361 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 15: Samana. 362 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: That is in his early twenties. He has light brown skin, 363 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: his hair is neatly cut. Baula, his mom, says that 364 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: he has an ability to make anyone. 365 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 16: Laugh, lace and stay una grascia Ilia. 366 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: We are calling them Dario, Baula and Ramiro. In fact, 367 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: these aren't their real names. They asked us to protect 368 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: their identity, and so we're honoring that request. Now. Dadio 369 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: wanted to enter the United States legally, so he applied 370 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: for entry through the CBP one app, which allowed migrants 371 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: to start their asylum process. In August twenty twenty four, 372 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: he was legally allowed into the country, crossing through the 373 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: California border. 374 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: Nias Inn. 375 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: Baula says that her son underwent and passed health screenings. Yes, 376 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: Thatio also went through something called the Credible Fear screening 377 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: This is what immigration officials use in order to determine 378 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: if a migrant faces real danger if they are sent 379 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: back to their home country, and in fact, back home 380 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: in Venezuela, Thatio had spoken out against the Maduro government, 381 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: he was retaliated against, and so he passed that screening. 382 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: But then. 383 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: As high US. 384 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: Immigration officials took that Eo to a detention facility in Louisiana. 385 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: Ramidro says he and his brother were raised to follow 386 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: the rule of law, so Dadio's detention was a surprise 387 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: to the family. He had been allowed in legally. Familia Ramiro, 388 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: the brother, sprung into action. He hired their current immigration attorney, 389 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: Osbaldo Caro Gruz. Cao Gruz says one of the reasons 390 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: that Eo was detained was because he presented an expired 391 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: passport at the border. 392 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 15: Obviously, if you're being chased by a regime, you cannot 393 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 15: renew your passport. You know, it's not that easy. 394 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: So that EO's American attorney filed an application for asylum, 395 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: also withholding of removal, and he applied for protection under 396 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: the Convention Against Torture Act. And throughout all of this, 397 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: that Io was held in that detention facility. Still in detention, 398 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: that Io started to hear rumblings about something that was 399 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: happening all around him. 400 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: It bolts easy if they don't. 401 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: Apparently, his mom says that Io was hearing from immigration 402 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: officials that he was going to be deported back to Venezuela. 403 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: But then things took a sharp turn. That Eo was 404 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: transferred to the Elbaya detention facility in South Texas without notice, 405 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: and then things took an even more bizarre turn. 406 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: Ian Bomingo, it's the Miamira. 407 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: Ramiro frantically called his mom, Baula, and said it looked 408 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: like Thatio had been removed from the United States, but 409 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: that he wasn't sent back to Venezuela. 410 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: It wasalf and we. 411 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Baula was stunned her son didn't have a deportation order, 412 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: so she asked Ramiro to reach out to the lawyer 413 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: and find out what was going on. 414 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 16: Pinto s maybe, saying no. 415 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: It turned out that Rio and two hundred and thirty 416 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: seven other Venezuelan men were sent to secot Baola didn't 417 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: want to believe it. She couldn't believe it, but then 418 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: the news confirmed it. 419 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 17: Zibeas News has obtained a list of the two hundred 420 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 17: and thirty eight Venezuelan men the Trump administration recently deported 421 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 17: to El Salvador, and the administration has said it carefully 422 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 17: vened each of the individuals to verify they are connected 423 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 17: to a notorious Venezuelan gang. 424 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: Baula got a hold of the report and went down 425 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: the list of names, one by one. 426 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: EA to welcome me. 427 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: Her son that Rio was in fact being held in Secotoca. 428 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 16: Som cagno perol man, you mean Venezuela. 429 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: Paula felt like she was losing her mind. More than 430 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred miles and several countries now separated her in 431 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: Venezuela from Dario in Salvador. 432 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: Venezuela, no guma you play bar Salvador. 433 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: She says that if her son that he had been 434 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: sent back to Venezuela, she would have even tried to 435 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 1: speak with the country's president there. But in Al Salvador, 436 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: what could she do. The Trump administration has said that 437 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: the Venezuelan men he deported to El Salvador are quote terrorists. 438 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 7: Loved when Borg has told them immigration authorities sent his 439 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 7: tattoo was evidence of ties to the trendy Iragua gang. 440 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 7: The tattoo was a rainbow colored ribbon made up of 441 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 7: puzzle pieces, the symbol for autism awareness, along with the 442 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 7: name of Bores' younger brother who has autism. 443 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: And his administration has used the way these men dress 444 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: and their tattoos as proof that they fit the description. 445 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 15: The only reason they stopped him is because of the tattoos. 446 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 15: To be honest, that's why he was attained. 447 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: That EO's story of mislabeling because of his tattoos exemplifies 448 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: a long history of discrimination at the hands of the 449 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 1: US government. This year here at Latino USAY, we've been 450 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: reporting on the government's fierce targeting of immigrants and their 451 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: fight for due process. We've looked at the relationship between 452 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Ensa Vador's forty three year old president and the Trump administration. 453 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 18: I think they're part of a global network of ideologically 454 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 18: aligning the parties. You know, you could tie them to 455 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 18: Victor Horbaugh and others on international scale. 456 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: They share an anti. 457 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 18: Globalism quote unquote discourse, deep hostility towards critical civil society 458 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 18: organizations and press freedom. 459 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: We've heard from a Venezuelan man who has detained fifteen 460 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: days in Guantanamo before being deported back to his homeland. 461 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: Joined King. 462 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 6: Kuan describes the fifteen days that followed as torture. 463 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: And I recently sat down with one of the attorneys 464 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: for Macmurkhalil, a Columbia University student targeted for exercising his 465 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: right to free speech. 466 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: I think that is absolutely the goal. The goal is 467 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: to silence dissent. 468 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: That's why the response that we're seeing. 469 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 15: Not just in the courts and not just in the media, 470 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 15: but on the streets as well, is that much more important. 471 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 3: It is crucial. This is not just about mister Khalil. 472 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: It's not just about folks who believes in. 473 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: The rights of Palestinians and the right to live. 474 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: It is about everyone's freedom of speech, everyone's two process rights. 475 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, producer Renaldo Leanos Junior continues 476 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: telling us that EO's story of imprisonment that was sparked 477 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: by his tattoos, and also how for decades immigrant men 478 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: have been mislabeled as gang members just because of their tattoos. 479 00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: Stay with Us notes when we left off, we had 480 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: met Dario's family. Dario is a Venezuelan man with no 481 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: known criminal record. Still, he's been sent to Al Salvador's 482 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: mega prison named SECOT. His family and his attorney have 483 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: been unable to reach him since mid March, and they 484 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: continue fighting on his behalf. Latino USA producer Renaldo Lanos 485 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: Junior is going to pick up our exclusive reporting from here. 486 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 19: It's been over a month since Baula San Dario was 487 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 19: locked away in Olsavador's infamous mega prison, Mamianda. She has 488 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 19: not been able to speak with him. Actually, no one. 489 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 3: Has me in loosenti me no no. 490 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 19: Balla says that EO's removal to Osalvador is an injustice 491 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 19: and that just because her son has a tattoo, it 492 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 19: doesn't mean that he's a criminal. Osvaldo, the family's attorney 493 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 19: in Florida, shared a photo with me. It shows some 494 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 19: of that EO's tattoos that he believes sparked immigration officials 495 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 19: to flag him. 496 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 15: It seems that they saw three tattoos which grabbed the 497 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 15: CBB officer's attention, a crown, a clock in a rows, 498 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 15: and those tattoos were the basis for his attention and 499 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 15: eventually his removal to and Salar. 500 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 19: According to immigration documents, I reviewed in that EO's case, 501 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 19: the government concluded that that Rio had quote gang related tattoos. 502 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 19: The tattoos are well known tattoos that rend Ragua gang 503 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 19: members tend to have. The ji denied being a part 504 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 19: of trend de Ragua or any other gang, and close quote. 505 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 19: In February, about a month before that Yeo was sent 506 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 19: to Es Salvador, the Trump administration designated the Venezuelan gangren 507 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 19: de Ragua as a foreign terrorist organization, but that EO's 508 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 19: immigration documents state that he has no criminal history. His 509 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 19: attorney says he also did his due diligence and found 510 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 19: no criminal history in Venezuela either. It's also important to 511 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 19: note that experts who study the rend Agua say that 512 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 19: there is no specific tattoo or tattoos that trend de 513 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 19: Ragua members use across the board to show that they 514 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 19: are affiliated with the gang. CBS's sixty Minutes also reported 515 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 19: recently that. 516 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 5: We've obtained a list of their identities and found that 517 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 5: an overwhelming majority have no apparent criminal convictions or even 518 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 5: criminal charges. 519 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: They are now prisoners. 520 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 19: Sending these men to Es Salvador has raised a lot 521 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 19: of ethical and legal questions. And that Io's attorney knows 522 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 19: that the stakes are high. 523 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 3: Who asked you as. 524 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 15: Diction over over these people is in the US. This 525 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 15: is something so new and so horrible. I'm extremely worried 526 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 15: that something might happen, man, and I'm also worried that 527 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 15: you might never get out. 528 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 19: Paula is constantly checking in with for any updates on 529 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 19: her Sonka you be looking. She prais to God every 530 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 19: single day that Dario is freed soon. If not, she says, 531 00:37:50,840 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 19: she's gonna go crazy as the days and week go by. 532 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 19: I make it a point to try and stay in 533 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 19: touch with Baola, that Heo's mom, but she says speaking 534 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 19: to me is getting harder. Her son is locked away 535 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 19: in a Salvador in prison known for detaining people without 536 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 19: a trial and depriving them of any contact with the 537 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 19: outside world. She says she can barely handle it the 538 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 19: So how is it that so many Venezuelans are being 539 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 19: labeled as gang members. One way immigration officials are determining 540 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 19: if someone belongs to the RAGA is by using a 541 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 19: point system, a kind of scorecard with six categories that 542 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 19: include things like hand gestures and tattoos. 543 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 6: According to the guide, the score of age or higher 544 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 6: can mean people are quote validated as members of TDA 545 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 6: and could be deported after consulting with a Department of 546 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 6: Homeland Security supervisor or legal advisor. 547 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 19: This checklist came as a surprise to Osvaldo that he 548 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 19: owns attorney. 549 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 15: Seeing a list with several items which automatically describes you 550 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 15: as someone who who's part of a friend THATAWUA, it 551 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 15: was just unbelievable, to be honest. 552 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 19: This specific point system was created by the current Trump administration, 553 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 19: but throughout the years, the Department of Homeland Security and 554 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 19: other state and local agencies have used tattoos and other 555 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 19: items to help determine if someone documented or not is 556 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 19: a gang member. So when Sean Garcia Lais first heard 557 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 19: about dozens of alleged trender AGUA members being sent to 558 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 19: El Salvador, he suspected something might be off. 559 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 20: As somebody who has worked extensively on law enforcement gang 560 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 20: affiliation allegations, I knew that at least half of those 561 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 20: people were probably not gang involved at all, or if 562 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 20: they ever had been in the past, weren't gang involved now. 563 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 19: Sean is the executive director of the Peace and Justice 564 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 19: Center in California. He's also a civil rights attorney. 565 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 20: I've reviewed gang databases in different cities across America, and 566 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 20: I have never come across any set of gang allegations 567 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 20: involving dozens, much less hundreds of people in which the 568 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 20: error rate was not at least fifty percent, and sometimes 569 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 20: much higher than that. 570 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 19: Sean has also worked on reform to stop mislabeling people 571 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 19: as gang members. In twenty sixteen, he co authored a 572 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 19: report named Mislabeled Allegations of Gang Membership and their Immigration Consequences. 573 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: It was a collaboration with. 574 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 19: The Universe City of California or Vine School of Law 575 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 19: to see how being wrongly accused of being a gang 576 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 19: member impacts people with immigration court cases, like their eligibility 577 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,959 Speaker 19: for dhaka and other forms of protection. But the mislabelling 578 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 19: of gang members doesn't only happen with immigrants. 579 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 20: African Americans in particular have been long subject to gang allegations, 580 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 20: and those who work with those communities are often targeted. 581 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 19: Sean says. Despite the long tradition in the American legal 582 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 19: system of distinguishing between who a person is and what 583 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 19: a person has done. 584 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 20: Breaks down when you start making gang allegations. You start 585 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 20: to say that person is a bad person, they are 586 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 20: a gang member, they are the worst of the worst, 587 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 20: and so they deserve to be punished for who they are. 588 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 20: But that's not the way the legal system is supposed 589 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 20: to work in this country. People are punished not for 590 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 20: who they are, but for when they commit crimes, for 591 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 20: their actions. There's the standard that should be used in 592 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 20: immigration proceedings and by ice and in any removal case. 593 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 20: Has this person committed a crime? Not is this person 594 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 20: a gang member? 595 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 19: Sean says people often get mislabeled as gang members when 596 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 19: law enforcement makes quick, snap judgments. 597 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: There might be a. 598 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 20: Call for service from someone in an apartment saying there's 599 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 20: several gang bangers hanging out in the alley outside my apartment, 600 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 20: and so the police will come to investigate, and they 601 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 20: won't know if the person who called has any idea 602 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,919 Speaker 20: who these people really are, or just what they look 603 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 20: like to them, or whatever stereotypes they might have, And 604 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 20: so officers come out and they make their own judgments 605 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 20: on the spot, and in many departments they're asked to 606 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 20: fill out these index cards that are called field investigation 607 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 20: cards or field interview cards, where they label somebody as 608 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 20: a gang member or not, collect information, bring that back 609 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 20: to the station where it's then entered into a database. 610 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 19: Sometimes people don't even know that they've been added to 611 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 19: these types of databases. Sean says this information can be 612 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 19: shared with several agencies across local, state, and federal levels, 613 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 19: like immigration and customs enforcement, and it can be used 614 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 19: against immigrants. He says, this most recent case involving the 615 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 19: Venezuelan men is extremely egregious. 616 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 20: I am terrified and I am unsure whether or not 617 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 20: there is any point of being a lawyer in America 618 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 20: anymore for the rule of law to be a practical, 619 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 20: real thing, a thing that we can count on. There 620 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 20: are certain floors below which government is not able to go, 621 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 20: and that protects everybody because once there's no floor and 622 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 20: the government is able to do what it decides to 623 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 20: do without accountability to the Constitution as a federal law 624 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 20: at the international agreements. 625 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: When that happens, the system breaks down. 626 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 20: There's no reason to expect that the floor won't be 627 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 20: pulled out from underneath other people. 628 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 19: As days go by, there's still no word from that YO. 629 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 19: Last month, Osvaldo filed and missing Persons report with the 630 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 19: United Nations. 631 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 15: Basically the UN and the Working Group expressed it's firm 632 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 15: hope that the competent authorities would undertake necessary investigations and 633 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,399 Speaker 15: search activities to clarify the fate and whereabouts of every 634 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 15: one of our clients. 635 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 19: Osvaldo also has another concern that that Yo is sent 636 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 19: to Venezuela. 637 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 15: I would just say that he came here escaping some 638 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 15: persecution and threats violence against him. So his family wants 639 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 15: him there to be honest because they rather have him close, 640 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 15: have him his own country. But I am concerned. 641 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,439 Speaker 19: This last month has felt like a rollercoaster of emotions 642 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 19: for Paula. She said she feels desperate, suffocated, is Sierra 643 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 19: Mari like she wants to die, scream. 644 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 3: A president. 645 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: Now Alessa. 646 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 19: She wants to go to to try and speak with 647 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 19: President Naibukele, but she doesn't have the resources and even 648 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 19: if she did, she might not gain which. On April fourteenth, 649 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 19: Bugele met with President Trump in the White House. He 650 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 19: was asked if he would return kilmar Abrego Garcia to 651 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 19: the US. 652 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,959 Speaker 1: Both of us suggested that I smuggle terrorist in today 653 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: United States? 654 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:17,959 Speaker 17: Right? 655 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 9: How can I smuggle? 656 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 20: How can I return him today uns just like I 657 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 20: smuggle him into the United States or whether I do. 658 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,439 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm not going to do it. 659 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: The question is preposterous. 660 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 19: The situation is so unprecedented that Oswaldo also feels overwhelmed. 661 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 15: There's a feeling of hopelessness that's very tough to explain. 662 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 15: I would never expected this to happen in one of 663 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 15: my clients. To be honest, I am grateful for the 664 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 15: attention that he's been getting because it shows how dangerous 665 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 15: some of the processes can be. H It's been tough. 666 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 15: It's been something completely near to me. 667 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,479 Speaker 19: Paula knows her son can't hear her, but she still 668 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 19: has a message for him. 669 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 16: Diamo Guerro, say if where they see jos wissom A. 670 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 19: She says she loves him and that she knows he'll 671 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 19: get out of this. She asks him to please be 672 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 19: strong and to uplift the other men too, and to 673 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 19: not let anyone bring him down. Paula also has a 674 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 19: message to anyone out there who is listening to her 675 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 19: family's story to appeal for. 676 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: Palas. 677 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 19: She wants people to speak out, call the representatives, call 678 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 19: for an actual investigation into the deportees because she believes 679 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 19: a lot of them are innocent. We reached out to 680 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 19: the Department of Homeland Security with several questions about that 681 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 19: Io's case, but we didn't hear back. That Rio remains 682 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,760 Speaker 19: in En Salvador without any contact from the outside world. 683 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Renaldo Lanos Junior. It was 684 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: edited by Andreoees Cruzslo and Fernando Chamari. It was fact 685 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: checked by Roxanna Guire, and it was mixed by Stephanie 686 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: Lebau and Lea shaw Damer. The rest of the Latino 687 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: USA team includes Julia Caruso, Belisia Bominez, Jessica Ellis, Vittoria Strada, 688 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: Dominique in Estrosa, Stephanie Lebau, Luis Luna, Marta Martinez, JJ Carubin, 689 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: Dasha Sandobal Ur Saudi and Nancy Truquiro. NILLEI Ramidis, Marlon Bishop, 690 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: Maria Garcia and myself are co executive producers and I'm 691 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: your host, Maria Najosa. 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