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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to listen to

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Speaker 1: Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on one of the games

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Speaker 1: of the year. We've been needing a good primetime game lately.

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Speaker 1: I know we had Packers Steelers, but like I just

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Speaker 1: feel like they've been wanting.

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Speaker 2: Yea, and we want we want football, and we want

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Speaker 2: you to listen to the best of NFL because if

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Speaker 2: you're listening to us and you didn't hear the first

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Speaker 2: half of the show, you could have heard stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like this, Booty is is massive? Is that really what

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Speaker 1: I sound like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gret, Greg, I regret to inform you to hear

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Speaker 3: that again, Booty is is massive.

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Speaker 1: I mean it didn't lie. Well.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part of the audio was you said sneakily first. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: where it's like the these Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you know you're not expect but yeah, sometimes it happens,

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Speaker 1: just like, Oh, Moody's massive. Moody is massive. Got all

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Speaker 1: that back in there. Didn't know what's happening.

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Speaker 4: We got all this ahead of us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Greg reference that the Philadelphia Eagles on the road

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Speaker 2: at Green Bay where the Packers just lost to the

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Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. The Packers favored against the defending Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: champions by two and a half. The over under is

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Speaker 2: forty five and a half. It is Joe, it is

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Speaker 2: Troy and Jordan Rodrigue. It's an opportunity for us to

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Speaker 2: see the Philadelphia Eagles after taking a break. It's like

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Speaker 2: all that consternation week in and week out, we're delving

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Speaker 2: through Instagram.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles just disappeared. Now they're back.

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Speaker 3: It's like it never even happened. Patrick Saquon Barkley said,

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Speaker 3: they all got away from each other for a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and hey, guess what. Just like the local media there

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Speaker 3: has been saying all year, Aj Brown did not get traded.

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Speaker 5: Wow, always read the beat writers.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: They've got a great group on the ground there in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: This game is gonna be good. Packers need to bounce

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Speaker 3: back in a big way. This team is too talented

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Speaker 3: to be playing as inconsistently game over game as it is.

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Speaker 3: And the Eagles, after a break and gathering themselves in

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Speaker 3: a deep breath, we know they're going to come out swing.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what kind of adjustments the Eagles have in

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Speaker 1: store on defense. They're coming off the bye week. They

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Speaker 1: added the cornerbacks Michael Carter, Jaya Alexander, They add, you know,

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Speaker 1: the edge players including Brandon Graham is back in the mix.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips should be available, and just like, how does

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Speaker 1: that work? How are they losing using g had Campbell,

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Speaker 1: who you know wasn't on the field as much. But

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Speaker 1: that might have just been like a one week thing.

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Speaker 1: You learn a lot, as we've said on this show,

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Speaker 1: of how you operate after the buye. And I did

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Speaker 1: think it was noteworthy that without a J. Brown, I

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Speaker 1: thought they had their best game plan of the season

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Speaker 1: in that last win before we last SAP, where they

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Speaker 1: just they were running everything. Finally they were they looked

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Speaker 1: they had a little bit of Atlanta Falcons disease, whereas

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Speaker 1: like they're just doing one thing at a time. And

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Speaker 1: in that game they showed all their different ways that

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Speaker 1: they like to pass the ball, very diverse running game.

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Speaker 1: And if they can bring that to the Packers, I

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Speaker 1: think they'll be up for the fight. It's a tough bat.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do that.

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Speaker 6: I think we're gonna start, you know, Baker Mayfield said,

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Speaker 6: now some real football starts.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see that with the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 6: My big concern for Green Bay is the best tight

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Speaker 6: end in football is out for the season. Tucker Craft

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Speaker 6: is that guy when you talk defensive coordinator here, like

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Speaker 6: he scares them because he can block, he can catch,

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Speaker 6: and he can run after the catch, Like when you

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Speaker 6: hear the comparisons to Gronk, that's what you hear people saying.

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Speaker 6: So not having him really puts a lot of pressure

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Speaker 6: on an inconsistent wide receiver group. And so I think

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Speaker 6: this is gonna change your offense, and I think it's

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Speaker 6: gonna change their running game. And so I like Philadelphia

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Speaker 6: in this game and for now with the Packers, as

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Speaker 6: good as they may be, their defensive front didn't look

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Speaker 6: but they're gonna have to tighten it up. And going

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Speaker 1: It's been good. It's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 6: But I just think Green Bay offense it's going to

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Speaker 6: have to be restructured a little bit because Musgrave is

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Speaker 6: not and nobody Craft and nobody is like he is

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Speaker 2: NFL, and it's a difficult plan to emulate. When you

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Speaker 2: looked at how the Carolina Panthers ran all over Green

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Speaker 2: ball nineteen times on the inside, where we've seen Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: first run of the game against the Giants, but that

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Speaker 2: sustained success hasn't been there. So I'm not even sure

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Speaker 2: was last year, can duplicate phil what Carolina did in

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Speaker 2: Green Bay. But you know, on the outside where the

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Speaker 2: coverage has been good, you have Aj and DeVante where it's.

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Speaker 4: It's not a similar talent situation.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I like the idea of trading Aron

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Speaker 2: because anybody that's trading for AJ Brown, I.

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Speaker 5: Think we all love the idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to be better.

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Speaker 1: The idea of it better.

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Speaker 4: Like anybody that wants a J.

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Speaker 2: Brown is you may you're end up playing them in February, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like at some point. So yeah, that's but beyond me

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Speaker 2: that people would think that that was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: But the styles making the fights here, and I still

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Speaker 2: don't know who I'm going to pick.

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Speaker 1: Greg. I don't either because I feel like everyone will

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Speaker 1: be on the Eagles, which you know, I just then think, well,

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Speaker 1: it is a home game for the Packers that they

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Speaker 1: could bounce back. The way they lose in these games

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Speaker 1: are so misdifying, Like they didn't punt last week. That

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Speaker 1: is that is hard to lose a game and only

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Speaker 1: overcore that much, but also just yeah, losing it on

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Speaker 1: downs a couple of times. They I think critical mass

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Speaker 1: hit last week of the Packers running the too much,

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Speaker 1: and it was partly because Greg Olsen said it on

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Speaker 1: my buddy, I think it's because you watch them and

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Speaker 1: they want to be a great running team and they're

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Speaker 1: just okay, and they're just slow, like they they slow

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Speaker 1: Just like pick it up a little bit, like I think,

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Speaker 1: show than these thirteen fourteen, fifteen play drives and that's

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Speaker 1: part of it is you know, you're just missing on

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Speaker 1: the throws to Golden. We'll see if he's available. Jaden

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Speaker 1: Reid has been gone so long we kind of forget

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Speaker 1: that he's gone. But he's a really important player for them,

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Speaker 1: and that's part of it. For that fourth down that

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Speaker 1: we nominated for Worst throw of the Year, here were

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Speaker 1: Saveon Williams, Romeo Dobbs, and John Fitzpatrick. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: I think this might be the game that you've been

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Speaker 3: wanting for Jordan Love honestly, because if you first of all,

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Speaker 3: missing Tuch the QB Island spot, a QB Island game

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Speaker 3: for Jordan, well potentially after two weeks ago had such

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Speaker 3: the Packers were just not good enough and so okay.

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Speaker 3: So because I think that without having Tucker Craft, who

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Speaker 3: and that's part of why they felt so confident running

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Speaker 3: the ball. Luke Musgrave is a more of a pure

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Speaker 3: passing mismatch tight end. So I don't think you're gonna

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Speaker 3: that maybe they had. I do think that you're gonna

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Speaker 3: that is try to formulate and force passing mismatches. And

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Speaker 3: it's tough to do against this Eagle's secondary, but they

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Speaker 5: Had been last season.

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Speaker 3: And this is going to be really really interesting to

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Speaker 3: me especially, I mean, is this is gonna play? Is

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Speaker 3: if he's gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I would assume that they Yeah, I would assume they

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Speaker 1: him active on game days and participants.

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Speaker 3: They go out for the coin toss against the Packers,

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Speaker 3: just autonomous, whether.

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Speaker 4: Whether he's supposed to or not.

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Speaker 2: All right, incredible work. I do think we saw some

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Speaker 2: game for Lafleur when saving Williams fumbled and then Lafloor

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Speaker 1: It kind of over the whole Savion Williams thing too.

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Speaker 1: In general, like guys that use as gadget, guys that

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Speaker 1: has diminishing returns. Here's a little news that involves the Packers,

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Speaker 1: by the way, he is visiting Sante Samuel Junior is

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Speaker 1: visiting the Packers, among many other teams, and he's just

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Speaker 1: an interesting player that could be added to the mix.

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Speaker 1: Was quite high on my free agency list based on,

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Speaker 1: you know, his his play, which is a little up

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Speaker 1: he had spinal medical fusion surgery this offseason and was

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Speaker 1: finally clear to play this week. And he's visiting the Panthers, Packers, Vikings,

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, Bears, and Steelers. I mean, that's I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of a visit list that long time. They

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Speaker 1: won't go that way.

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Speaker 6: They all want to check the medical and see if

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Speaker 6: it fits their personal specs. You know a lot of times,

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Speaker 6: you know, guys will show up and give the diagnostics

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Speaker 1: They're like that, we want our doctors to check you.

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Speaker 6: Because there are some teams that have we a sleep

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Speaker 6: putting a player on the field, And there are other

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Speaker 6: he's visiting so many teams, and he's probably gonna pick

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Speaker 6: a spot which could be best for him.

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Speaker 3: Or whichever one has the immortal chamber.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I would.

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Speaker 2: Ask like, hey, can I get you guys all in

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Speaker 2: one place, like getting poked and prodded like seven different times,

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Speaker 2: like after sitting on multiple planes, like eh, like I

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Speaker 6: That's why team team team teams want to get guys.

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Speaker 6: You have to be poking product three or four times

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Speaker 6: to see how durable that is. That's that is a

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Speaker 6: technique in the combine, Like give me an injured player

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Speaker 6: to see how durable that thing is.

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Speaker 1: Starting for the forty nine ers. How do you see

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Speaker 4: He carry, he touches the ball.

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Speaker 6: I was looking at this yester year like twenty four

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Speaker 1: Look, Mac Jones, no no CARDI party for you.

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Speaker 3: No thicker, thicker kicker is on the practice squad.

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Speaker 6: I like the Rams, which I think whoever wins this game,

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Speaker 5: For you so and they beat Seattle one.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan's having probably his best year coaching, honestly, and

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Speaker 5: I just this Rams team.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting that they alternated drives between their running backs.

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Speaker 1: I news flash, it's not gonna happen in this game. Well,

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Speaker 2: Teams are sitting pressure from depth at the second highest

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Speaker 2: You just try to mess with the picture for Matthew

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Speaker 2: gett in this situation where Devanta Adams is this red

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the inferior division team, they pull off one upset.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't do it twice they I've seen, We've sure,

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Speaker 5: I think. I think the Rams win.

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Speaker 3: But these games get so weird and they feel weird,

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Speaker 5: It's just like it's every it's everyone's tight.

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Speaker 1: He's not never punched over. He's so so extra with everything.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to get to throw the year nomination, right Greg.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, let's we have. Let's see the deep.

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Speaker 5: I wrote a whole poem about this throw last week.

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Speaker 3: Look at his helmet because there's Dvante running the deep

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful. But but here's the thing. Doing that on

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Speaker 2: That's also disrespectful, can be honest, it's thirty yard pass

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it is disrespectful, but so is every

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Speaker 2: So see if mac Jones can do it again against

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Rams. It's time for the Sunday Drive

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Speaker 2: presented by Toyota. Let's go places, the Pittsburgh Steelers, fresh

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Speaker 2: off of thrashing once again one of the best teams

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Speaker 2: to take on Herbo and the tackle list Chargers, who

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Speaker 1: I think that would be helpful help yes, not a question.

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Speaker 6: are forward going guys. They don't really have a dude

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Speaker 6: to match up with Gats and so I think he

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Speaker 6: is going to be a factor big time in this game.

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Speaker 6: I like Pittsburgh in this game. I think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 6: is starting to play better football. Real just the real

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Speaker 6: interesting storylines in this game. I just want to see

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh can keep it up. But the Chargers without those

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Speaker 6: offensive tackles, to me, is a significant issue.

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Speaker 1: Two unpredictable teams.

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Speaker 3: I'm super curious, especially with what the Steelers did to

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Speaker 3: the Colts tackles.

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Speaker 5: Like you noted on the on.

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Speaker 3: The The Recap Show this week, Greg, I'm really interested

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Speaker 3: to see if the Steelers play Ronde Gadson the same

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Speaker 3: way they played Tyler Warren and that was pulled Jalen

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Speaker 3: Ramsey back to the deep safety position and mix up

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Speaker 3: your zone pressure to and get that pressure especially on

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Speaker 3: the outsides, to really mix up the quarterback and kind

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Speaker 3: of know where the quarterback is looking. It's really hard

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Speaker 3: to mix up Justin Herbert and obviously he will make

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Speaker 3: plays with his legs. But it is curious because so

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Speaker 3: this Chargers offense being able to funnel through a mismatch

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Speaker 3: tight end the way that the Colts offense is also

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Speaker 3: able to do I'm curious to see if they deploy

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Speaker 3: a similar game plan because that one was so effective

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Speaker 3: to the two to six takeaways.

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Speaker 1: And it does sound like Ramsey's just playing free safety

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Speaker 1: now and not like they said it's going to be permanent.

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Speaker 1: But he said he's there this week and they have injuries.

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Speaker 1: It's easy to forget. They lost to Shawn Elliett, they

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Speaker 1: lost I think Chuck Clark it was, and he's just

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Speaker 1: playing free safety. It is weird that he's essentially playing

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Speaker 1: Minka Fitzpatrick's role like that trades. It seems something, but

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Speaker 1: it's something though he's wanted to do for years.

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Speaker 6: Yes, he talks about his affinity for Charles Woodson and

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Speaker 6: making that change and so and.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real, like he was not playing well in

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Speaker 1: man coverage, and even last week where they did play

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Speaker 1: you know, the split safeties a lot more, they look different.

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Speaker 1: They still played the Colts more man coverage than any

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Speaker 1: other team had all year because that's what their cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: can do. And I think you look at these matchups

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Speaker 1: for the charges. That's the thing. If he can just

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Speaker 1: if basically, if Justin Herbert can play offensive line for

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Speaker 1: himself by just running around and making it happen, and

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Speaker 1: he had to do it even against the Titans. Then, man,

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Speaker 1: there are mismatches with lad And, with Gadson and with

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Speaker 1: Quinton Johnson, like against the Steeler secondary.

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Speaker 2: Well, fortunately for Justin Herbert, he's got one of the

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Speaker 2: best pass protecting running backs in the entire NFL in

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Speaker 2: Camani Videl.

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Speaker 4: Yes, back there.

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Speaker 2: Where you know he's he's making plays in the past

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Speaker 2: game again, whether catching the ball or blocking for herbal And,

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Speaker 2: I think they're gonna need it's it's gonna be Herbo

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Speaker 2: out on the edge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, make high spur this.

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Speaker 2: You have lad And and QJ come back to the ball,

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Speaker 2: and I've got some work the middle and just Justin

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Speaker 2: figure it out. It's going to be quarters of that

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Speaker 2: versus the Steelers kind of plotting their way down the field,

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Speaker 2: scoring a predictable twenty two points.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have really gone extreme in terms of the

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Speaker 1: ball coming out of Rogers's hands so quickly and it

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Speaker 1: being short. But I don't think they'll need to throw

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Speaker 1: it that much. That the Chargers are twenty seventh against

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Speaker 1: the run, and so you think of those jumbo packages

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Speaker 1: and Darnel Washington.

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Speaker 5: And all the tight end Jalen Warren.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Warren like the Chargers are not a good run defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little stunned the Chargers are favored yeah by

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Speaker 1: three in this game. My take on the Chargers is

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Speaker 1: that they've actually overachieved quite a bit this year based

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Speaker 1: on what's the real level of where they should be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My colleague Daniel Popper at The Athletic actually wrote two

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Speaker 3: sentences that I think are really depressing but really well written,

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Speaker 3: where you said the ceiling for this season caved in when.

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Speaker 5: Alt was lost for the year.

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Speaker 3: Trading for Penning is the equivalent of cleaning up the rubble.

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Speaker 3: It hurts because and yet because bars, But it hurts.

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Speaker 1: Because it's Herbert back there. They are a must watch

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Speaker 1: every week, and with the weapons that he has, and

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Speaker 1: you give him a chance in a game where I

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Speaker 1: trust the Chargers coaching just a little bit more than

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Speaker 1: I do the Steelers. Steelers, you never know what you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get. That's true of the games we will talk

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily. Big week in terms of the news,

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Speaker 1: the future of this country getting shaped. But that wasn't

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Speaker 1: the biggest news. The biggest news was that Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: revealed his dog JUNI, was cloned from a previous dog

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Speaker 1: that he owned back in twenty twenty three. And the

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Speaker 1: first thing I thought about when I learned not only

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Speaker 1: did Tom Brady clone his dog, but that he's an

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Speaker 1: investor of the company that cloned his dog. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to hear what Patrick thought about that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's similar thing that you've heard me say.

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Speaker 2: Every single time we for some reason find out about

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady's most recent investment, which is, every single time

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Speaker 2: that Tom Brady has money going on in something, it

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Speaker 2: becomes news. And Tom is at the forefront of seemingly

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Speaker 2: every circumstance.

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Speaker 1: That I you know, personally, I'm I'm not a money guy.

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Speaker 1: I know, Larry little about everything.

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Speaker 2: Every time we find out about some tech thing, it's

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady is there.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it doesn't work too well, and it's a

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a fad, you know, maybe there's a pickleball

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Speaker 2: league coming on, maybe it's some crypto thing, but it

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Speaker 2: seems like it's always Tom Well.

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Speaker 1: Like the crypto pickleball ven diagram is just like a circle.

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Speaker 1: It's everyone, it's all together. My bigger thing, though, is,

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Speaker 1: you know you are all dog owners. I believe you're

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Speaker 1: not anymore. I can't take it too okay, but you

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Speaker 1: you you know, I'm just what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, what would you clone Tucker your dog?

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Speaker 5: Jordan, Well, it wouldn't be Tucker.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, that's my take. There's only one Tucker.

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Speaker 3: It's my Tucker, and that wouldn't be Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same exact space where I am, like,

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Speaker 2: in a spiritual sense, I do believe in an individuality, and.

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Speaker 3: I believe animals have souls, and yeah, it wouldn't be Tucker.

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Speaker 2: And they can't talk and they can't necessarily consent to anything.

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Speaker 2: So it's a lot of the same way I feel

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Speaker 2: about you know, quote unquote AI or plagiarism machines, especially

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Speaker 2: when somebody is no longer with us that they don't

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Speaker 2: have they don't have the ability to say whether or

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Speaker 2: not they want this thing, and so hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 2: Tom's pupp would have wanted this.

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Speaker 3: Let the Venn diagram also between people who clone their

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Speaker 3: dogs and chat gptwo users also to a circle and.

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Speaker 1: Keep it away from me. So like these last couple

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Speaker 1: of Games of the week, I'm curious if the lines

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Speaker 1: are going to bounce back.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see if they If there's a team we

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Speaker 2: expect to bounce back, it is Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 4: As the oddsmakers feel like they will.

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Speaker 2: They are eight and a half point favorites over Marcus

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Speaker 2: Mariota and the Washington Commanders. As we are hoping for

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Speaker 2: a return at some point for Jaden Daniels with that

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Speaker 2: dislocated elbow. The over under is forty nine and a

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Speaker 2: half points. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma, they're on the call,

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Speaker 2: Jordan as the Lions got beat. They got beat. Dan

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Speaker 2: Campbell acknowledged it. There's any number of places where they

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Speaker 2: could have improved. Do they play better against a defense

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Speaker 2: that's had some issues recently.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's putting it lightly, Patrick, because the Washington Commanders

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Speaker 3: came into this season I think a huge concern and

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Speaker 3: question mark on the defensive side of the ball, the

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Speaker 3: oldest defense in the league, and immediately did nothing to

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Speaker 3: soften anyone's fears about them. And now they're banged up.

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Speaker 3: They've got players, you know, they got guys that are hurt.

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Speaker 3: Their linebackers are not playing the way that they expect

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Speaker 3: from from the caliber or the reputation those linebackers. Their

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Speaker 3: plans for some of their players is mystifying to me.

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Speaker 3: Steve tid I know we've talked a lot about that,

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Speaker 3: and I think that the Lions are probably pissed off

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Speaker 3: and they're looking to roll and I think they will.

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Speaker 1: I think they have real questions that we aren't going

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Speaker 1: to really get answered in this game because they're just

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Speaker 1: too good. Yeah, but Colton Pouncey, your colleague at the Athletic,

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Speaker 1: had some numbers that supported something that was in my

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Speaker 1: head too, is like eye test wise, they don't quite

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Speaker 1: look the same on offense, and he did have some

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Speaker 1: numbers to back it up that they are sixteenth and

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Speaker 1: explosive play rate, they are twelfth in overall offensive success rate,

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Speaker 1: All three of those numbers last year were top two

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Speaker 1: in the league in terms of offense. So they have

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Speaker 1: put up some big scoring numbers. They've had, you know,

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Speaker 1: moments where they've looked, but they haven't been as consistent.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's that interior line. And they also

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Speaker 1: lost Christian Mahogany for a while, maybe not the season,

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Speaker 1: but he's a starter and he's going to be And

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Speaker 1: Taylor Decker is talking about retirement at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year and trying to just fight through one last

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Speaker 1: year and he picked up another injury. He's had a

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Speaker 1: soulder problem that I think might make this his last year.

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Speaker 1: And now he has a knee injury on top of that.

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Speaker 1: Him and Padey Sewol we're both out on Wednesday, out

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Speaker 1: of practice. So just some concerning signs.

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Speaker 6: And Taylor Decker is it's kind of like a you know,

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Speaker 6: not Joe not but who who's Roger Saffoo was the

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Speaker 6: Rams a couple of years ago, where he's basically held

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Speaker 6: together by like tape, no power, and so the offensive

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Speaker 6: line has not been as dominant. And remember they lost

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Speaker 6: some guys in the offseason too, but against the Commanders,

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Speaker 6: I mean the command I.

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Speaker 1: Mean Marshawn Latimore is out for the season. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: playing great.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, They've got nobody to generate pass pressure pressure.

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Speaker 1: They went out.

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Speaker 6: The players that they signed on the defensive front were

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Speaker 6: run stoppers because they were getting gashed on first down

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Speaker 6: by the run last year. So they wanted to solidify

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Speaker 6: the run and then come up and be creative on

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Speaker 6: second and third and known passing situations when now teams

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Speaker 6: aren't even known passing downs. So this is am or

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Speaker 6: Detroit should have its way putting points on the board

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Speaker 6: in Washington what's stopping anybody?

656
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Speaker 1: Anybody anyway, Joe. We talked about Frankie Louver.

657
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Speaker 6: They're having to use him on the edge to create

658
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 6: pressure that's created gaps.

659
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Speaker 1: All over the middle of the defense. In the running

660
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Speaker 1: passing games.

661
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Speaker 6: It just they're just throwing stuff, you know, out there

662
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Speaker 6: to see what they can do because of all the

663
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Speaker 6: beat up personnel they have defensively.

664
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Speaker 3: It's because when you do that with an inside linebacker

665
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Speaker 3: as frequently as they're doing it with Frankie Luvu, it

666
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: becomes mathematically appealing for an opposing defensive coordinator to say, Okay,

667
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it so you only have eleven players

668
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: on the field because you're just gonna waste that guy's rush.

669
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Speaker 3: You're gonna find a way to get him, tilt the

670
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: play away from him, or block him up, er chip

671
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: or do something, and then you're able to say, okay, now,

672
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: who am I gonna because you only have technically eleven

673
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: Now in my math, who am I going to target?

674
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: Who am I going to circle? Who am I going

675
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: to block out of the play? And a lot of

676
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: times too, it's been the other linebacker a lot of

677
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: times they're blocking.

678
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Which is Bobby Wagner that he's getting doubled and getting.

679
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Stilled, getting doubled, and he's getting sort of pushed out

680
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: of the play because again, they have this mathematical advantage

681
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: and teams are able to key in on these things.

682
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Speaker 3: And when you have a concern like that in the

683
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: middle of your defense, you have nothing and real quick.

684
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Speaker 6: Frank you Louvi Well, he is playing this weekend. His

685
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 6: hip drop tackle suspension got overturned. He's being fined a

686
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 6: hunting grand but he's gonna be able to play this week.

687
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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting the Commanders didn't make any

688
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: trades at the deadline. There was some reporting that they

689
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: were talking Debo or von Miller potentially to the Bills.

690
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: That was from Tim Graham, but that never happened. They

691
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: could have been sellers. Some of the teams that didn't

692
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: make any trades I thought were telling, like the forty

693
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Speaker 1: nine Ers, not trying to trade too hard for anyone

694
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Speaker 1: who's kind of like maybe they're accepting their fate. The

695
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Commanders didn't become sellers, but I think they know where

696
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: they are for the rest of the Well, you're gonna

697
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: be talking compensatory draft pick when you there. Look at them,

698
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: especially with Debo.

699
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so it maybe gets a little insight

700
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Speaker 2: into how they view their roster construction of all the term.

701
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: Maybe not as much the way they view uh their

702
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: hopes this season. But you know, if you're watching on YouTube,

703
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: you saw the Elijah Royo touchdown where it's a similar

704
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 2: thing where the Commanders have given up the third most

705
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: completions on vertical routes all season long, and Jared Golf's

706
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: been throwing them actually more than he did in the

707
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson era where we saw the late touchdown to

708
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: Jamis and Williams on a vertical route. So maybe the

709
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: Lions get a chance to work on that, uh, you know,

710
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: increase that metric and get the explosive plays by you know,

711
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: maybe Isaac Taslaw get.

712
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd like to see them.

713
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Speaker 3: I'd like to see them close a game early on

714
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: because I really want the opportunity to say the offensive

715
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: coordinator Morton salting away game.

716
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll leave, I will leave.

717
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Speaker 2: Actually, no, don't go anywhere, Jordan, because we've got another

718
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: game one, We've got our last game and it's the

719
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Speaker 2: best team I'll say it in the NFL right now.

720
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Playing host to Jacoby Brissett at the Arizona Cardinals. The

721
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks are six and a half point favorites. It

722
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: is Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on CBS's wrapping up

723
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: Greg Where where's the weakness? How can we find the

724
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: point of injury for NFL teams to compete with what

725
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: Mike mac has going on in the Pacific Northwest?

726
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: The weakness is that they got to play the unstoppable

727
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett this week and the Arizona Cardinals very interesting

728
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: that they named Jacoby Brissett the starter and one day

729
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: later Kyler Murray goes on injured reserve. Now Murray's been

730
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: out with that foot injury. No one's questioning that. You know,

731
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: obviously he's hurt, and there was some reporting. Ian Rapport

732
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: put it out that you know, sometimes with these foot

733
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: springs it's a four plus week injury. The thing that's

734
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: confusing is he's already been out a month. He wasn't

735
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: put on injured reserve before, so they were hoping it

736
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: would appear that he would be back within that four

737
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: week window, and he's been on the practice field for

738
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: three weeks. Clearly they're playing better offensively. We don't need

739
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: to repeat all the reasons why. Like with Jacoby Brissett,

740
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: it's just obvious you can see it. But how it

741
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: all was being handled, I think it's fair to like

742
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: wonder what exactly was going on behind the scenes and

743
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray's going to be on the team next year.

744
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Gannon said, look, we

745
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: talked to Kyler, and we talked to a few people

746
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: before making this decision to putting it on injured reserve.

747
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: This is like an organizational thing. What's been going on

748
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: going to Jacoby.

749
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Speaker 4: I think if he wasn't really hurt.

750
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 6: We hear Kyler Murady talk about it, whether it's social posts, scrubbing,

751
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 6: you know, the cardinals from his Instagram or whatever.

752
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: You know, I think he is hurt.

753
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 6: Maybe they said, okay, maybe he can come back, Maybe

754
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 6: he can come back, you know what.

755
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: But now we got another We got another month, so

756
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: he'll be out almost two months by at that point.

757
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 6: So let's sit him. Jacoby Brissett's playing well. Marvin Harrison

758
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 6: got the ball last game. Everyone talks about like he

759
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 6: was getting the ball before. He wasn't getting targeted that

760
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 6: much beforehand, even with Jacoby Brissett. But the offense was

761
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 6: all on time. I think part of it. They're playing

762
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 6: a terrible Cowboys defense. I mean, because here's how misleading

763
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: some of this stuff is. The twenty seven points that

764
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 6: Arizona scored, those are the third fewest points that.

765
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys allowed there.

766
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Speaker 6: All right, So as bad as their defense is, they

767
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 6: actually played better than they did normally.

768
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Speaker 4: But Scoby precent, you just saw it.

769
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Speaker 6: And part of his physical size, he can throw the

770
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Speaker 6: ball with a six or four DEFENSI e vent in

771
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 6: his face where was Kylo's got to bounce it extended?

772
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 4: And everyone else is in scramble rules.

773
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Speaker 6: And so I think Jacobi's patience with some things, but

774
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: also his quick decision making is why this offense is

775
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 6: working a little bit better, the offensive line playing a

776
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 6: little bit better, a little bit more physically. We'll see

777
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 6: how it goes. I mean, this week it's gonna be tough.

778
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 6: I mean, he'll show me something if he goes up

779
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 6: to Seattle and handles Leonard Williams and the way that

780
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: defensive front. My god, they are smacking people.

781
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Up there, and they got swept last year by the Seahawks.

782
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: In a version of the Seahawks that wasn't as as

783
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: good as this one.

784
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I fully expect Seattle to take care

785
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: of business, but I really don't want it to get

786
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: lost that before they played the worst well the Bengals exist,

787
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: but before they played among the worst defenses in football.

788
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: Right now, Jacoby Brissett balled out against the Indianapolis Colts,

789
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: who have a good defense, and the Green Bay Packers,

790
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: who have a good defense. And so I think that

791
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: this is important to remember that Jacoby Brissett has like

792
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: this consistency that the team really you can tell has craved.

793
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 3: If you listen to the press conference's postgame from Kalais

794
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: Campbell from Trey McBride, who was on the Scott Van

795
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: Pelt set after the game, they clearly wanted to keep

796
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: rolling the way that they are regardless of an injury.

797
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 3: Kyler is hurt, and I think it's confusing for fans

798
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: when there are reports from practice of Kyler taking reps

799
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: with with at practice a couple of weeks ago and

800
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: then but but the injury is going to be something

801
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: that's that's sidelining him for a while as well. So

802
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: I think there's some mixed messaging that needs to get

803
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 3: under control out there for sure. But at the same time,

804
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 3: I don't want to discredit what Jacoby Brissett has done

805
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: and how Drew Petson clearly clearly sees him as a

806
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: guy sort of a throwback of what Drew Petsing used

807
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: to do running this offense back when he was like

808
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: full on QBAC system under you know, with the Browns

809
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: under Stefanski.

810
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: Those types of things.

811
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: Show me something this week, because if they if they

812
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: can be competitive in this game and just give me

813
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: an entertaining product. They want more than that, but that

814
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: that would show that this team is still going to

815
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: make some noise. I think down the stretch, I'm not

816
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: sure if they can do it.

817
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting though We're listening to

818
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: the broadcast and the booth is calling to keep Brissette.

819
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, toy aikman, I don't he You just.

820
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: Don't hear that happen often. And this was before we

821
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: love Troy though, he'll do it, I'll tell you, but

822
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: this was before we knew that this was going to

823
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: actually be an injured reserve situation, you know what I mean? Like,

824
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 3: I know we have that context now, but to have

825
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: the broadcast team calling to keep Brisset as the quarterback

826
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: after going through. Tom Brady can downplay these meetings all

827
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: they want, but those guys really get in there in

828
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: those meetings and they're in the building to say those

829
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: things on the broadcast was telling to me.

830
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: And again, I'll bring it up once again because I

831
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: always will. I wish the booth community had collectively decided

832
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: to support Jacoby Brissett when he clearly should have been

833
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback in Cleveland, where it's a little bit

834
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: for some reason, it was easier for people to defend

835
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson keeping his starting job, where Kyler Murray has

836
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: kind of been on the opposing end of threats and

837
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: critique from the general booth community for the majority.

838
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 5: Of his immunity.

839
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: Right though, Yeah, like.

840
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: If there's a guy there, everybody's like, well, you know,

841
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: they're better now with cha, Kobe, it's going to be Kyler.

842
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: Let's think about like this game two from Seattle's point

843
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: of view, they're coming off like a high. It's a

844
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: much tougher matchup. Rashid jaheat is there. You know, for

845
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: the first time, they already led the league in air

846
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: yards per attempt. So I do love a team that's

847
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: building on strengths like strength and strength and strength, and

848
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: he's just gonna give them so much. And I am

849
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: curious just when they're on offense their offensive line, who's

850
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: played well against this Cardinals front, which can test your

851
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: protection scheme and your communication. And they have Walter Nolan,

852
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: now who I love. Look who looks great? Who look good?

853
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: So that it's a good matchup. I think when when

854
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the Seahawks have the ball.

855
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 6: What this does, though, getting Shaheed is going to open

856
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: up the run game because now you've got two vertical threats.

857
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, we know Jason's better up to.

858
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 6: Seem Now you've got a guy who could do stuff

859
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: on the outside. Okay, so now you're gonna have to

860
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 6: If you're playing Nickel, you're more worried about rotating coverages

861
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 6: and seeking a safety to stop the run, yes, which

862
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: is what teams are doing to the Seahawks. So this

863
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 6: is something that's going to open up things for Arroyo

864
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 6: in the middle of the field. But I think because

865
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 6: they're Seattle doesn't run the ball consistently well, this is

866
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: going to pull guys back to open up some teams.

867
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and they can stay in twelve personnel,

868
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: which they clearly have designed their version of twelve personnel

869
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: because they want to attack teams in the passing game

870
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Speaker 3: with two dominant receivers and two dominant tight ends as mismatches,

871
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: and they're not seeing a lot of light boxes. To

872
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: your point, Steve, they're only seeing light boxes twenty percent

873
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: of rushing attempts this season, and so that number is going.

874
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 5: To dramatically change.

875
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: That's going to probably flip on its head because they're

876
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: going to have to pull everybody back to the middle

877
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: of the field.

878
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: I will say, if you're if you're a Seattle fan

879
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: who's grading things and Darnald's throwing all these downfield passes,

880
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: there's only four teams that have more interceptions than touchdowns

881
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: allowed on deep passes, and one of them is Aira's

882
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: on the Cardinals. Hey, now you know, maybe you know

883
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: why you're working things out there.

884
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: You go, I'll never throw up. I'll never put it

885
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: past Jonathan Gannon to come up with no he can

886
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: one week game cam game plan that makes it tight,

887
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: makes it tough. So they're six and a half point favorites.

888
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: They're pretty decent survivor option. I know we respect the Cardinals,

889
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: but we have not picked our survivor pick of the week.

890
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: Last week we had the Rams. I mean, we've been

891
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: in blowout city. We've hit what seven straight weeks? Now

892
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: we have in terms of the survivor.

893
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: Can I offer up Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers

894
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: at home?

895
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: No, against the Saints.

896
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: We could chase the Saints two weeks.

897
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: In a row, but we're not eligible to take the

898
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: following teams the Bills, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Colts, Rams, essentially

899
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: the best offenses in the league. As you pointed out

900
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: a week ago, that really does eliminate a lot of

901
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: the good options in this week, in particular, it's getting

902
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: tough out here. The Panthers are a strong option. I

903
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: would say the Panthers and the Seahawks are to me

904
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: pretty clearly the best two options.

905
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're asking me, Jacobe or Tyler Shuck, I'm.

906
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going I'm going Panthers.

907
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: Carolina could do this.

908
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: But so I can win either way. Either we win

909
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: as a group where I can point out that.

910
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 5: It should have been the scene and isn't that just

911
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: what it's all about?

912
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: Yes, pretty much.

913
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: I would like to use you guys as a resource

914
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 2: for a project that I've been working. Oh okay, because

915
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: I know you've had a conversation about the MVP. Yes,

916
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: the MVP conversation is sometimes deemed a race, sometimes simply

917
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: deemed a conversation, but more often than not, it takes

918
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 2: the form of a verbal tournament. Steve oh loosely defined

919
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: rules that seemingly change from year to years. So I

920
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: wonder what if I use the incredible resource of the

921
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: brain power available to me at NFL Daily Wow, and

922
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: facilitated a conversation about the conversation while also highlighting its

923
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: inherent absurdity and lack of logical consistency to ultimately predict

924
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five Most Valuable Player using key metrics.

925
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, So it's a.

926
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: Scoring system that begins because, as Baker Mayfield said, and again,

927
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: this is not what I believe. This is just what

928
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: the circumstances have put forth. Because Greg who does it

929
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: all the time. We have to analyze the people voting

930
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: for the MVP while we make our statements about who

931
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: the MVP is going to be. So once Week ten begins,

932
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: if you are a non quarterback, it is minus seventeen points.

933
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: We have to go back to Adrian Peterson. The only

934
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: reason he got the MVP is because a lot of

935
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: the qualifications weren't met by the quarterbacks this year. If

936
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: you're a defensive player, it is minus fifty points off

937
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: the bat.

938
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: You have to do the following things.

939
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: If you have a positive game after week ten and

940
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: you are in the conversation, which we've already established, some

941
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: players who are in their conversation will finalize things and

942
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: make this. Once we get week ten going, it's a

943
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: plus five. If you as a positive game in primetime

944
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: or a major four to twenty five Eastern time start

945
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: after week ten, it's plus seven. If it's after week

946
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: ten against the contender, it's plus ten. Okay, and you

947
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: guys don't have to worry. I'll track all this and

948
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: axcell spreadsheet that.

949
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to get ross here.

950
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Negative prime time game after week ten is negative twelve. Okay,

951
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: after week eleven it's negative fifteen. Remember back when Brock

952
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: Purty was an MVP contender and he had the negative

953
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: prime time game fell off.

954
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: He was done at that point. Yep. It was the

955
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: same thing happened to Michael Vick in like a Monday

956
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: night game. It was Michael Vick versus Tom Brady. Three

957
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: weeks later, Michael Vick didn't get a vote. Yep.

958
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: And so it's those scoring prime time versus prime time

959
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: against contender. The scoring goes up and changes every single week.

960
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: I'll have the full list available whenever we finish negative

961
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: primetime game. After week thirteen goes all the way up

962
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: to negative twenty.

963
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that does hurt. Yeah, you guys will.

964
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: Be helping me to determine whether it was a positive

965
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: game or a negative game. Again, in my view, things

966
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: can be a little bit about to say, you could

967
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: play Patrick Mahomes could go thirteen to thirty exactly.

968
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: But in terms of the MVP conversation, it is there

969
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: are only winners.

970
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's true. It is very binary. If it's

971
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: a four h five game, Let's say that Darnald Baker

972
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: Mayfield Seahawks game happens later in the year, but it's

973
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: four oh five, it's buried. It's it's a Fox game.

974
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: When it's a CBS doubleheader week well later yet minus

975
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: what happens.

976
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, later in the year, Greg the flex comes into play, Okay,

977
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: because in the conversation later in the year.

978
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Games are important to me.

979
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: They're all football games, and we can evaluate the teams

980
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: with their totality. The rest of this is the Baker

981
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: rules that the Baker mayfield logical understanding of the MVP

982
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: applies here. If you're leading the NFL in a category

983
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: while in the conversation, but it only lasts for that week,

984
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: it's plus five. If you break a season long NFL

985
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: record at the end of the season, it's plus fifteen.

986
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: If you've never won the MVP despite a solid resume,

987
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: it is plus twelve. And if you've won multiple MVPs

988
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: or you won the MVP last year, it is minus six.

989
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the final week, that is the conversation.

990
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: Wow, they will be playing in the final week. Yeah,

991
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: this explained that, like Drew Brees rules. Yeah, this explains

992
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: why JJ Watt did not win the MVP that season

993
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: that he had the greatest season any defensive player has

994
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 1: ever had, because he had the minus fifty yeah right.

995
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 5: After really sunk him.

996
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: Really because he got close even with he was in

997
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: the conversation every week.

998
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: The conversation, Well, I don't know how we determined who

999
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: was even starting the conversation, because one of the most

1000
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: ridiculous things about the conversation. Do you remember, oh, you know,

1001
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: mid October when Baker Mayfield and Dak Prescott were in

1002
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: the conversation and yet here we are just a few

1003
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: weeks later.

1004
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: But how does it like they're not the Baker himself

1005
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: said that this is when football starts.

1006
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: This is it? How do Saqua did they get back in?

1007
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 4: We will not win that last year? Then they played

1008
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: another of a prime.

1009
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: Time Well he got the minus the top though he.

1010
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: Got the mopt deal. He got the minus seventeen and

1011
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: one time. And Josh Allen's team had the consistent success

1012
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: and he plays the quarterback position, and he had big

1013
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: wins late.

1014
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: And he hadn't won the VP before despite a great resume.

1015
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: That's a plus twelve.

1016
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 6: Here's my question for you got no shot, No he doesn't.

1017
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: What do we do we also count? So obviously we

1018
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 3: count players who are in the conversation?

1019
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: Correct?

1020
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: Okay?

1021
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 5: Do we also count.

1022
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: Players who are the subjects of many takes and and

1023
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: quotes and headlines that say we should be talking.

1024
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: More about that's Daniel Daniel Jones rule, or it's.

1025
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 5: Time to have a conversation about Yes, those guys.

1026
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Once the conversation is invoked, you can be placed in

1027
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: the conversation. But if if statistically you're eliminated from the

1028
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: point total, it's it's not gonna be like Sam Darnold

1029
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: and and Dimes will remain in the conversation significantly longer

1030
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: than JSN and Jonathan Taylor despite perhaps not having a

1031
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: similar level. It's that Stafford bump right there, Matthew Stafford

1032
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: is hitting a lot of these.

1033
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: Hitting a lot of the qualifications for the conversation.

1034
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: We need to be talking more about conversation. Is is

1035
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: it like a cousin. I think it's a cousin to

1036
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: this conversation. Yeah, related, Yeah, Well those are.

1037
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: The guys who the scoring is a little bit lower.

1038
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: So it's a tear down, okay, And so they're going

1039
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: to need some huge performances perhaps break perhaps break an

1040
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: NFL record in order to get into the action conversation.

1041
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad we did this. I'm glad. I'm looking behind

1042
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: the glass and I'm seeing our producers. Drew is like

1043
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: wondering why am I here right now? Why is this

1044
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: show still going on?

1045
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 5: eRx, Just thinking about how much math he's going to

1046
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 5: have to do all the island.

1047
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: None of this is going on in the NFL channel.

1048
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: It's all being cut out. You're not going to see

1049
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: it at a prime pizza back on the back patio.

1050
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to show up on Friday afternoon have

1051
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 5: a conversation about that.

1052
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should. You can't check us out, by the

1053
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: way on the NFL channel, I believe Friday afternoons, maybe

1054
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoons, who knows. It's it's all surprise, and we

1055
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: will be back in this vary feed for Thursday night football.

1056
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: And because Nick shook and eye look at Raiders Broncos,

1057
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: and we say there's a chance it's one sided, we're

1058
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: gonna give you more. We're gonna do a little power rankings.

1059
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: We haven't done that in a long time. So we're

1060
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna come up with who are the best teams in

1061
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: the NFL. That'll be us on Thursday night. But I

1062
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: don't know if we can top this show. Let's have

1063
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: a conversation about