1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 4 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bronis, Rob Phillips, 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And here we are back home in 6 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: the sws BC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco. 7 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: It's been great being out on the practice field overlooking 8 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: the practice field this week here on Talking Cowboys. For 9 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: those of you who made the show the last couple 10 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: of days, I had other commitments, but it's great to 11 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: be here inside the studio now. Yeah, this is where 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: we'll be throughout this I was trying to remember when's 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: the last time we actually did the show here. I 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: guess during Mini camp or around that times, Right, that 15 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: was one of those a couple of months in a while. 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Sat here. That's right, and it's great to have you 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: joined us here for Talking Cowboys. As we wrap up 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: what has been a very busy week back at the 19 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. We've had three open workouts for the 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: fans this week. We'll have two more on Monday. And 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: Tuesday as training camp will continue. And I guess the 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: big question right now as the Cowboys get set to 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: play the Texans tomorrow night, is when will Zeke Elliott 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: show up here? And will he be on the premises 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: when the Cowboys resume workouts on Monday. I don't know 26 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: about Monday, but he definitely will be here in my opinion, 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: as it always has been by time they resume workouts 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: to get ready for the New York Football Giant. So 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: you're saying first week of the regular season game when 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: he is going to be here in time to get paid. Yeah, 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with Mickey on that. And you know, 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't quite get if the fact that if you're 33 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: hearing things and Zeke thing is one of those unfortunate 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: holdouts where there's been so many things you kind of 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: hear and then oh that's not true. Well this is true, 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: that's not true, you know, And that's that part of 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: it that that's I see why people don't want to 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: negotiate in the media with the way it is, you know, 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: because we're always trying to speculate, and you know, who 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: has real information, who doesn't have real information? And a 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: lot of things get thrown out there, and I think 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: that's where the trouble is. And I'm going to take 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: a point that Mickey made and I thought it was 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: a really really good point that if you get the 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: two right people to talk, you can generally get deals done. 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: You don't need Brian Broadest talking or Bill Jones talking. 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: You need the people involved. You need Zeki Elliott talking, 48 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: You need Jerry Jones talk. Can you need Stephen Jones talking? 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Those are the people you really need talking because those 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: that's the way things get done. It's not just the 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: posturing and the oh this and that, you know, and 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: appears this group's feelings are hurt. Oh wait a minute, 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: this group is not too happy. See. You know, we're 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: all speculating on what Jerry Jones is feeling like. We're 55 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: all speculating on what Ezekie Ellet's feeling like. Those are 56 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: really the only two that matter, you know, And if 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: they could find a way to get together, and the 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: quicker that Ezekie Ellett can come back into the fold 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: and find a way to talk, I think that Jerry 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Jones and Stephen Jones would have dealt with Ezekie Elliott 61 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: if he was here practicing. I think they would have. 62 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: I think you could have handled this much like what 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: they did with the with the with Jalen Smith's contract. 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: You know, it could have been Okay, hey, can we 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: can we do this? Can we do this? Well, let's 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: talk about this instead, you know what you have to 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: I don't think Ezekiel had had to go away to 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: get Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones attention. I think it 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: would have been a simple walk into Jerry Jones's office 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: and say, hey, boss, you gotta minute. I want to 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: talk to you about something. And I'm it's disappointing that 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: it's es Clayton. They got to this point. But Mickey's right, Uh, 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: this kid is not going to miss game checks. I 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: think he'll be back before this Giant's game. See. I 75 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: heard somebody this morning suggest that, well he might, and 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: he had the whole games wrong. But you can miss 77 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: ten games, yeah, play six and you get into crude season, right, 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: but your your contracts next year is still there, right, 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: So it's you're not a free agent, right right, and 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: then you can get franchised after that. So but to 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: miss ten games is two point four million dollars that 82 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: you've got in your hand, right, and he's not gonna 83 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: do that. And if you pointed out if he listened 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: to Gary Brown, he said, oh, he'll be in, you know. 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: That's all he said, he'll be in. And somebody said, well, 86 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: how much time does he need to get ready? He 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: said two weeks? Yeah, and so next week's right, I mean. 88 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: And and let me give you an example of how 89 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: I think gets things out there get misconstrued. Some guy 90 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,559 Speaker 1: in the health club today. First of all, he didn't 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: like our Hawaiian shirts. Yeah, that's how he starts the 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: conversation with me, right, So he got off on the 93 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: wrong foot because you liked your Hawaiians. I did, and 94 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: you were like three days in a row. I think 95 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, without washing, by the way, exactly And 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: the guy goes, why they off to be the same, 97 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: Why didn't they have different colors? And I said, well, 98 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: it's a marketing thing, right. So yesterday in the crowd, 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: by the way, I go in the steam room and 100 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: the guy shows up in there and he goes, so, 101 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: Zeke's missing the whole year, right, And I was like, no, 102 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: he's not. He goes, well, that's what I'm here. And 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: I go where'd you hear that? He goes, well, that's 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: the talk out there, and so that's what the said. 105 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: You're as wrong about that as you were about my Hawaiian. Yes, 106 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: I came close. I said, he'll be there, and he goes, 107 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: what makes you think he's gonna be there? I haven't heard, 108 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: And I said, because he's not going to give up 109 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a week. And 110 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: the guy at the other end of the steam room goes, 111 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: he's a right about that. That's like that. This guy 112 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: wanted to argue with me. But I think it all 113 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: goes back also to what Brian is talking about. It's 114 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: the relationship between the owner of this and the player right. 115 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I saw something on Twitter this morning when 116 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: you started talking about that, Brian, it reminded me of 117 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: something I saw on Twitter from John Gordon. He was 118 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: he's the author of the Energy Bus. He's a motivational speaker. 119 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: He quoted excuse me, Andy Stanley saying rules without relationship 120 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: leads to rebellion. As a leader, you can have all 121 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: the rules you want, but if you don't invest in 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: your people and develop a relationship with them, they will rebel. 123 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: This applies to children as well. It's all about relationships. 124 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: But that's what this is about. With Jerry Jones and 125 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: this Cowboy organization and this player, there's been a relationship 126 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: established and he is not going to rebel. And here's 127 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: the other part of it. No one knows what the 128 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: other side was asking for. You know, we hear what 129 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: maybe the cowboys were offering, but what were they asking for? 130 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Was it unrealistic to the point that cowboys go, Okay, 131 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: we're just not going to deal with that if that's 132 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: what you're asking for. And I think that's what you 133 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know. They might have been asking 134 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: for seventeen million dollars a year, you know, and and 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: that that's out of line with what the other guys 136 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: are getting paid. Yeah, the jones Is do an incredible 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: job of closing deals. It's obvious because Jerry Jones is 138 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: a billionaire several times over, and he's not. It's not 139 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: by accident. It's their ability to close deals, to have 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: face to face meetings. You know, we live in an 141 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: area here and we've done this for a long time. 142 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: All of us in this room have been with this 143 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: team a long time. And we see it every single day, 144 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: and it's just unfortunate that it got to the point 145 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: where they they went apart, they would apart, and that 146 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: that Jerry didn't have the opportunity and maybe he'll get 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: that opportunity in the coming days. Maybe if you listen 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: to reports that maybe ezekiel It is on his way 149 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: back home, and then you know, if he could sit 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: down with the Joneses and they do a great job. 151 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: They hammer out deals every day that are not always 152 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: football related, but they do deals with big time businessmen 153 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: and women who understand when they look them in the 154 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: eye that they're getting an honest assessment. And I think 155 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: that's what we're missing right now. We're missing that sitting 156 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: down and looking at each other in the eye and say, listen, man, 157 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Jerry putting his hand on his knee like he did 158 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: Tony Romo in that little room with Bill Parcels and 159 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: selling him you know, this is what we're going to do. 160 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're missing this whole, this 161 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: whole thing. And the fact of the matter is with 162 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: zeke It is he didn't have to be there throughout 163 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: training camp. Yeah, you'd love for him to be there 164 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: but from where he is, as long as he's getting 165 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: in shape, which will assume he is, He's fine as 166 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: far as that. But my question to you, Brian is 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: where And so all these things kind of get deadline 168 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: driven right, right, And so Erry Brown talks about two weeks. 169 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, he two weeks would be an optimum getting 170 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: back in here. Others people talk, ah, if he's just 171 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: here the week of the first game, what is the 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: motivation for both sides and especially the Cowboys side to 173 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: get this thing done now? To give him this week 174 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: as well as next week to get right. Well, I 175 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: think the motivation and this is going to sound terrible 176 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: the way I'm going to say it, but it's true 177 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: because we're all not guaranteed. We live something yesterday that 178 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: we're not guaranteed tomorrow, right, we live this yesterday. Jerry 179 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: Jones is running out of campaigns. He is he you know, 180 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the will to the fight is strong. It's going to 181 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: continue to be strong. He's going to do everything he can. 182 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: But he realizes what they've built here. They realize is 183 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: that this team, the roster, you don't know, the ups, 184 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the downs, the things. He finally has this thing right 185 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: where you're on. He's trying to help his head coach too. 186 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: He really is. I mean, even though the head coach 187 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: is in a situation where he's up his contract up 188 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: to he wants him to succeed. Now, okay, now that's 189 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: the motivation. If you're you're thinking, I don't have many 190 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: more of these campaigns left. If I'm going to do this, 191 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I've got to do it this way. And so that's 192 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: why to me, if they could get face to face, 193 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I think they can get something done and he can 194 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: explain his side of the story, like listen, Zeke, okay, 195 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: put everything aside all the times, and you know, Jerry 196 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Jones was willing to take the commissioner down for Ezekiel. 197 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: If you want to go back and really look at 198 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: how things Jerry Jones standing up there and saying, wait 199 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: a minute, Roger Goodell article forty six or forty eight, 200 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: whatever the article is about the power, what was he 201 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: really working for us? You know, all this really stemmed 202 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: from some of the things that was happening with Ezekiel 203 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: Elliot at the time, how disappointed he was that he 204 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: was told, hey, this guy's not going to get suspended, 205 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's get suspended six games. 206 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: He's like, wait a minute, you told me this. So 207 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: I think that the relationship that they have it makes 208 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones because he sees what's ahead. He sees like, listen, 209 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: I've got a team that can compete with the Rams, 210 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: get that compete with the Saints, can compete with the 211 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: other teams, the top teams in the NFC, in the NFC, 212 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully get this thing to the super Bowl. That's 213 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: that's why. That's the motivation right there, that's his motivation 214 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: to make this work all right. From it but from 215 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: just a practical sense of him, how much of the 216 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: playbook had was installed prior to the start of training Campion, 217 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: how this will be fine, He'll be fine. Don't worry 218 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: about Zeke kill it. He's taken every rep when Kellen Moore, 219 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: when they were when the installation was going through OTAs, 220 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't Jordan Chun in their running plays. It was 221 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: number twenty one. Blitz Pickup's not going to be a 222 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: prompt for him. We know he can do that. The 223 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: screen packages, the wheel routes, everything else that they want 224 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: to run and hand him the thirty seven and the 225 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: thirty eight he's going to be just fine doing all that. 226 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: So if if they do have more of a motivation 227 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: though right now it's more to just get it done 228 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: and get the distraction out of the way and get 229 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: Zeke reacclimated this with get But the motivation is not 230 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: to just give in and say I will give you 231 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: every what you want because we want you here. That's 232 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: not going to be the motivation. I guarantee you there's 233 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: going to be as And here's the deal that everything 234 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: everybody needs to remember. No matter what the extension is, 235 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: say it's four years for whatever, Right, he's still got 236 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: two years on his contract. Don't count? Yeah, so which smith? Right, 237 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: So if it's four years, it's six years, and you 238 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: divide six years because he's owed fourteen million this year 239 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: and next year, so seven a year would average is 240 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: out to. So that's still going to count in that average. 241 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: But the agent canon four years, one hundred million dollars extension, right, 242 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, But that that's not going to be the case. 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: You got to add the fourteen million to the total 244 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: and then another two years and then do your division. 245 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: Because if you look at Todd Gurley's uh extension, you 246 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: know he had two more years left on his deal. 247 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: So if you did I did all out. He had 248 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: a six year, seventy one million dollars contract, so that 249 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: comes to about twelve and a half million dollars a year. 250 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: Then no one reports that. See the thing about it 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: is and Bill, if you would look up Todd Gurles 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: right now, because Todd Gurley's contract was signed after they 253 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: had made the move to Los Angeles, right the first 254 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: year they had gone from Saint Louis to Los Angeles. 255 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Right on the extension. Yes, am, I write about that 256 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: this is this is the third year that this was 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: it two years ago. I thought that they've been last year. 258 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: So okay, So you're they're in a situation where you know, 259 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: there the Rams are trying to sell tickets, The Rams 260 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: are talking about let's take care of our own. You know, 261 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys look at that deal and say, well, you know, 262 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: that's a bad contract for us. I mean, we can't 263 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: That's why you keep hearing him say we can't compare 264 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: these contracts. I've got to do Jerry Jones saying I've 265 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: got to do what's best for the Dallas Cowboys. But 266 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: you look at some teams in these contracts if you 267 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: want to base you know the Gurly deal. You know, 268 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: the Rams were a team that would they were trying 269 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: to build, they were trying to go the right way. 270 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: They had to sign their stars. They had to overpay 271 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: to show people, hey, we're committed to doing this. You know, 272 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Girly is still one of the best players in the 273 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: national football regardless of his knee problems in my opinion, 274 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: but I think that there's like I say, I understand 275 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: what the Joneses are trying to say is we have 276 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: to look at our situation first. We can't focus on 277 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: the Rams. We can't focus on the Jets. We can't 278 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: focus on the stealers who tried to sign a running back. 279 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: We can't focus that. We've got to look at our 280 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: own situation and try and make this work to the 281 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: best of what we can do to keep all our players, 282 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: so the roster is competitive, not just for this year 283 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: but for the next two, three, four years. See and 284 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: the other thing he had a factor in he loses 285 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: ten percent of his salary in California for state income tax. 286 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: I know everybody says, oh that doesn't matter, Well, ten 287 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: percent of all that money matters. The other thing is. 288 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: If you look at the guarantees, it's a four year 289 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: deal for forty nine million dollars, right, So if you 290 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: divide that out, it's twelve point two five million a year. 291 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: Would you sign Zeke for that? If that's the If 292 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing that he wants, I'd sign him to 293 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: that yesterday. Yeah, if he would have taken it. He 294 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: doesn't want. Todd Gurley he wants, and he tweeted it 295 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: out today that if you're a top draft choice and 296 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: you're going into your second contract, you should get a 297 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty percent raise of the top player at 298 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: your position. Okay, not to bore you with numbers, but Gurley, 299 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: it was a four year, fifty seven point five million 300 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: dollar extension, right that he's signed last year July last year. Yeah, 301 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: and he received forty five million dollars in guarantees, twenty 302 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: two million of which he's guaranteed at signing, including a 303 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: twenty one million dollars signing bonus. And and there's twenty 304 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: two point five million in that that is is not guaranteed. 305 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: So you can say what you laving on bells is 306 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the same way. The last two years of his four 307 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: year deal are not guaranteed. So he's averaging thirteen and 308 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: a half million a year. So are we splitting hairs 309 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: between twelve and a half and thirteen and a half. 310 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: Probably not, But what are they asking for? That's my point. 311 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: They get face to face to get this thing. Yeah, absolutely, 312 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: and nothing's changed. Okay, remind me because Derek Douglas Barricklow 313 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: asked me to ask you about a mustache story, and 314 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to you that net and we're 315 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: gonna talk more than just zeke here when we come 316 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: back here on talking Cowboys. Your new apartment's big. Such 317 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: a great deal, that's okay, just okay. What's not right 318 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: about the subway? Well, I bet you don't even notice 319 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: it after that's my neighbor. Angus a deal that's just okay, 320 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: It is not okay. Get a great deal with America's 321 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: best network. 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This week, I've watched the first five 354 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: or ten minutes of it. I'm going to watch the 355 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: rest of it today and you can see it on 356 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: the Cowboys Network Start well local. It will be at 357 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: four o'clock on Saturday afternoon and CBS eleven and all 358 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: across the Cowboys networked and Countdown to Kickoff is at 359 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: five o'clock featuring Mickey and Lindsay Draper and the game 360 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: starts at six. Brian brought Us will be in the 361 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: radio booth with Brad Sham and Darryl Johnston will be 362 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: with me calling the game on television. And it should 363 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 1: be interesting because I you know, the Texans have been 364 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: resting some starters like J J. Watt in the preseason, 365 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't expect he be playing in this game. 366 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson has played, did play last week for 367 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: the Texans, and so it'll be interesting to see what 368 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: we get out of tomorrow night's game. It'll be our 369 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: last chance to see the regulars before we kick things 370 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: off for real against the Giants here and Mickey, you 371 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: don't think you don't think Dak's playing in that fourth game? 372 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't think. So, Okay, I'm going to go out 373 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: on that limb. Mickey tell me the mustache story. So 374 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: I thought of this when it all came up that 375 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, you got sources telling you Zeke's got a 376 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: book to ticket coming back to Dallas soon. Right. So, 377 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, the Cowboys were in a contract dispute with 378 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Jesse Solomon, who came over in the Herschel Walker tree exactly, 379 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: and he had a nice eighty nine season. They liked him, 380 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: they wanted to resign him, and he held out a 381 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: training camp and we're in San Diego. The Cowboys went 382 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: there to practice for a week against the Chargers. Since 383 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: they didn't go to a thousand Oaks. Anyway, I had 384 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Jesse on the phone, right and I said, so when 385 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: you're coming in he goes tomorrow? I go, are you 386 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: sure he goes? I got the ticket in my hand 387 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: right now. I've already booked the ticket. I will be 388 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: there tomorrow. Right. So we got in an argument about 389 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: when he was going to show up, and I said, oh, 390 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: he's going to be here tomorrow, right. Imagine that. Mickey 391 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: got in an argument and at so back and forth, 392 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: and I said, I'll bet my mustache that he shows 393 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: up here tomorrow. Right. Well, Jesse Solomon changed his mind. 394 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And it was such a well known argument that it 395 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, the mustache, we gotta go, and so on. 396 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: It was word Sunday Night, Dale Hanson Sports Special. Really 397 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: they lathered me up and then they went to do 398 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: the rest of it, right, yeah, And when and when 399 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: they came back, I came back on the air and 400 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: I didn't have my mustache. I have not grown it 401 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: back in thirty So that's the last time. Yes, yes, 402 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: haven't been able to grow one set. Nah. It's funny though, 403 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: I'll say this, and I know we're referring to people 404 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: saying coming and going on Zeke the guy that put 405 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: that out, Kevin Turner, who we do work with on 406 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: one oh five three, he had him going to Cabo 407 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: the first time. Yeah, so he's got somebody that's telling 408 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: him at least travel plans. It might not be contract plans, 409 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: but somebody is telling him guys are coming and going. Again, 410 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: I just can't reiterate enough, and I'm sorry if I 411 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: did it again. But get the two guys in the room, 412 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: get the boss in the room, get the elite running 413 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: back in the room, hammer this thing out. They can 414 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: do that, I think each other. I think once they 415 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: look at each other in the face and kind of say, hey, listen, 416 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: this is where I'm at, this is where you're at. 417 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: Let's kind of work this thing out. And it's with 418 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: the Joneses. Their best work is when they're able to 419 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: sit down with you and talk to you face to face. 420 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: I've seen him do it a thousand times, and you know, 421 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: and then when this thing does get completed, and then 422 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: there it's going to be well who won, Well, both 423 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: sides win, because the Cowboys get their guy back. He 424 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: gets let's say it's a twenty million dollars signing bonus, right, 425 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: he gets his twenty million dollars two years before he 426 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: needed to get it, right, So that's a win right there, 427 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: no matter what the total is, because he was gonna 428 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: make three point eight million this year, nine million next 429 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: year with the fifty year option, he's gonna get twenty 430 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: million dollars in his hands right now or whatever the 431 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: signing bonus is. And that's what Girlies. Girlies was twenty 432 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: one million, right, So that's a win. However you want 433 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: to look at the total, getting that money now is 434 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: a victory because he didn't have to get it. Brian, 435 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: you have periscope going, I do, but we don't have 436 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: really any good questions. Everybody's kind of just fumbling around 437 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: right now. So if you got any questions, kind of 438 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: like the host of the show, yeah, it's okay, I know, 439 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: but you know it's like I say, hopefully, yeah, like 440 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Bill says, first some questions. That mean, I just asked 441 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: for some questions on periscope. If you do have something 442 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: you want to talk about, Zeke the game, how long 443 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: the starters are going to play, whatever you want to 444 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: know about, we'll try and dive into that. But right 445 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: now we're kind of fumbling around. What do you think 446 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: they need to see out of the starters this week? 447 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, and I think that with the way the 448 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: team is still banged up, it's not really a dress 449 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: rehearsal game. It's more like, let's survive a third game. 450 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: You'd like to see maybe Dak Prescott that's two times out, 451 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: has moved the team smartly down the field, you know, 452 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: bang bang bang, you know, should have a touchdown. Yeah, 453 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: it should have touchdown to ball wouldn't tipped. But yeah, 454 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, I maybe another series added to that, maybe 455 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: two series. I mean, you know, twelve play depending on 456 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: how things go, somewhere between fifteen and twenty plays I 457 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: think would be good, you know, as long as the 458 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: offensive line can hold up well, you know, and don't 459 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: put too much to rest on him. Need to see Pollard, 460 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: if you know. And we were talking about this yesterday 461 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: on the show bill. You know, I was one of 462 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: those guys that believe that, you know, coaches go back 463 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: to the players they have familiarity with. So I've always 464 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: long believed that if Zeke did not show up, that 465 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: Alfred Morse would be the starter. I'm having reservations on that. 466 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: I do feel like that they'll go with the rookie 467 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: that they'll go with Tony Pollard. So I'd like to 468 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: see Tony Pollard run a little bit more, maybe a 469 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: couple of series, maybe continue to throw him the football, 470 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: maybe allow him to pick up a guy Blitzer two. Again, 471 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: it's the three four defense they're playing against. I think 472 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: four out of the first five games they play this 473 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: year against three four defenses, So it might be a 474 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: good opportunity for Tony to step up and do what 475 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: he needs to do. I think Green. I think who 476 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: is the team that does not play the four Saints? 477 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: The Saints. That's the only team that would not play 478 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: the four to three, So it's gonna be the three 479 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: to four. So it's good if he can he can 480 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: work on outside linebacker, pick up twist games, whatever he 481 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: needs to do. I'm all for that right now, what 482 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: do you think Let's assume for a moment that Zeke 483 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: is coming back and then Pollard's on the team, obviously, 484 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: what's the position battle there for the next spot at 485 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: running back? I think it's Chun. Mickey said this all along, 486 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: and I think there's I think there's some value there 487 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: with Chun playing all the special teams. You know, they've 488 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: got to think about this. This is funny to say, 489 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: but they've got a lot of players on this They're 490 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: gonna be on that forty six man roster that don't 491 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: play special teams. If you think about the linebackers and 492 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: the Shawn Lees and the Jalen Smiths and guys like that, 493 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna have a lot of guys that don't play. 494 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: So they're gonna need to find some guys. If got 495 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: like Chun, say that works against Alfred Morris, I think 496 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: that works against Alfred morrise in that in that regard absolutely. 497 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: Mickey pointed out yesterday it was a small signing bonus 498 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: ninety something thousand dollars that he can they can easily 499 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: stomach and then move on if they have to. But uh, 500 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: Chun to me is a better better rod Smith, a 501 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: guy that you can you know, he catches the ball well, 502 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: runs the ball well. He's tough, he's big, he's physical. 503 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's all those things that you wanted Rod 504 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: Smith to be. He's a more experienced running back than 505 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: rod Smith was. Now that's that's true. At least he yeah, 506 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: he at least started his entire senior y at Troy 507 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: and I don't need to remind Brian that he gained 508 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: one hundred ninety one. Yeah, every time I watch him run, 509 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: I see that guy's zone. Yeah, that Troy team. Congratulations, 510 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: they did a heck of a job coming to Baton Rouge. 511 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: And and you know, not only did they get a 512 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: game check, a big game check, they gotta they gotta win, 513 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, So congratulation snip. Here we go, Pariscot. You 514 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: know the other thing with Chun is this last game 515 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: he had two special teams tackles. He blew up another play. 516 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: He didn't get credit for it, but he blew it up. 517 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: So he gives you plus, he gives you another dimension, 518 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: a little bigger running back, maybe sort of in Zeke's mode. 519 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: Not as talented obviously, but you know, Pollard's gonna get 520 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more that I think than everybody thinks 521 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: he is. I mean carrying the football. This is not 522 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: like when he goes in the game and it's like okay, 523 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: here comes the toy because they can hand it to him. 524 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: It's not like last year. I think he's a starter 525 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: if there's no Elliott. Yeah, when when everybody thought, you know, 526 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: they can line up Tavon in the backfield right, Well, 527 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: they did, but he never they never handed him the ball. 528 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: You know this guy they can hand it to. Okay, 529 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: take it away. Joseph Randall's issues. From a cheer talent standpoint, 530 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: how would you compare Pollard in Joseph Randall. I think 531 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Pollard's more complete. I think Pollard Joseph Randall even had 532 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: his problems with blitz pickup. I don't think he's near 533 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: the catcher. Now you talk about running styles, I feel 534 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: like that Pollard's a little bit quicker too and through 535 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: the hole. I felt like that that Randall was maybe 536 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: a little bit better finisher because he's I thought he 537 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: was a little bit bigger guy. Pure speed too, maybe yeah, 538 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: so more straight line. I think that when you watch 539 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: when you watch Pollard play, he's got wiggled to him. 540 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: You see him put the foot in the ground and 541 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: then be able to make cuts and move. And I 542 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: thought that Joseph Randall was more of a just they 543 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: take the ball, one cut and then boom he was 544 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: into the secondary. Thought they were hoping they had that 545 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: guy who would be the not only the backup, but 546 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: could do all things with Randall and he just you know, 547 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: didn't have it from the mental stand well, so yeah, 548 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: you can't the issues that he had. Yeah he can't 549 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: get past nut exactly. So you would love to have 550 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: a guy who could be your number two guy and 551 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: maybe don't do it at a pro Bowl level like 552 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: Zeke can, but can do all the things. This is 553 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: where I think that this is where I think that 554 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is going to be really creative. If the 555 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: fact that when you get Elliott and Pollard both in 556 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: the backfield at the same time, because you have one 557 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: guy that can really blitz, pick up one guy that 558 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: can really catch, and so now you get all these 559 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: combinations that you can do like, okay, I'll protect myself 560 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: with a back, mindful maybe a fourteen million dollars year back, 561 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: and then throw it to a rookie who can make 562 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: things happen. If you watch the Senior Bowl game, he 563 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: takes the screen in that game and takes it all 564 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: the way to the house. So he's very capable of 565 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: scoring from anywhere on the field. As receiving background in 566 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: college is a great absolutely and saying that's what's against 567 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris right now exactly, and look at how much 568 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: they've been using the fullback to throw the ball. Yeah, 569 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: that's another thing, throwing the ball to throw it to him. 570 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: You know what I meant? Ah, Yes, reminds me of 571 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: Robert Newhouse or a half back pass or a full 572 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: bas All right, we can continue with more talking cowboys. 573 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: Just a ball it. 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It's 629 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys in Texans tomorrow night, six o'clock kickoff and on periscope. 630 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: What do we have, Brian, guys want to know out there? 631 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: What offensive line do you see starting in the Houston game? 632 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: Mickey lel Collins at right tackle, as Xavier sue Filo 633 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: at right guard, Travis Frederick at center, Connor Williams at 634 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: left guard, and Cameron Fleming at left tackle. He's nailed that. 635 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: And no concerns about Tyrann Smith. No, I think he 636 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of showed he's kind of working his way back, 637 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: so there's no need to put undue stress on a 638 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl back. And Zach Martin the plan all along 639 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: since he left practice several weeks ago, ready to get 640 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: into the practice for the Giants game as absolutely. If 641 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: Justin Phillips has another good game, does he make the roster. 642 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: He he's shown enough to make the roster. He showed 643 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot last week against the Rams. How many linebackers 644 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: they keep. All we've already talked about how it looked 645 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: like they were going to keep Louke Gifford. Now they 646 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: can always change their mind, sure, because they know they're 647 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: going to probably have to carry him for a couple 648 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: of weeks that he can't play until he gets over 649 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: the high ankle sprain. But if you look at the backups, 650 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: you're looking at Joe Thomas and then well March just 651 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: just but is he there? Yeah? Can this kid knock 652 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: him off? That's what I'm sad. That's true. All right, 653 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. This could be sound funny. 654 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's not really a crystal ball thing. But 655 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: if you could carry, you have a choice. You can carry. 656 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: You can carry Devin Smith or Justin Phillips. You get 657 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: the only carry one of those guys, Devin Smith or 658 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: Justin Phillips. No, I'm taking Devin Smith. So I think 659 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 1: he's carrying the sixth receiver. Yeah, I am taking Devin Smith, 660 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: and I I feel confident I can get Justin Phillips 661 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: to my practice squad. Okay. One of the reasons I 662 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: think I can get Justin Phillips to the practice right 663 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: now if he balls out again, Um who knows, but 664 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: um he was available to everybody. But that's the point. Now. Yeah, 665 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: now people have seen him in preseason game that they 666 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: see like six tackles in an intercession and there's the 667 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: difference on him. But I still feel like I can 668 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: get him to the practice squad right now. Let me 669 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: ask you this. Ask me again after tomorrow night. See 670 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: the thing about it is, I kind of think I 671 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: might go because okay, let me ask you this. Let 672 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: me let me change the guy. Then it's Cedric Wilson, 673 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: You're fifth guy or sixth guy, because if Devin Smith's 674 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: your fifth guy, then then I need to change it 675 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: to say Cedric's Cedric Wilson or Justin Phillips. But that 676 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: changed your mind if I said those two guys, I 677 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: would like to see Justin Phillips play against the big boys, Okay, 678 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: before I make that decision. Maybe he gets the opportunity 679 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: the Star Saturday and he plays a lot. Yeah, I 680 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: just think there's a lot of Justin Phillips out there. Now. 681 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: I think it's Justin Phillips or Luke Gifford, Okay, and 682 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: that and that they would probably go Luke Gifford there, 683 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: I think from everybody I'm talking to, well, and even 684 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: if if Luke Gifford with his injury. I mean, you 685 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: need to carry if you're planning on playing him this 686 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: year or have a chance to play this year, he's 687 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: got to be on your fifty three at cutdown day 688 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: and then you can put him on a high r 689 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: R after that if you want. But um so, I 690 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: kind of depends on what the prognosis is on him 691 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: and then what happens with Chris Covington? Is he out? Well? Yeah, 692 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: what's up with Covington? See Kevinton practice yesterday? He was 693 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: on the field, so he's gonna play. My guests is 694 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: see he was on the field practice and when they 695 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: were doing cards. How many linebackers do they need to 696 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: have on their fifty three? That's started Special teams is 697 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: a huge part of that. That's I'm saying. It's the 698 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: It's that situation where you're looking at it and you're thinking, 699 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: is that the deepest position and is at the position 700 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to cut somebody from because all those 701 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: guys that we just talked about could play. Now you 702 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: guys thought the wide receivers were better than the linebackers, 703 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: which to me, I'm kind of thinking, okay, chances of 704 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: getting John Bay Johnson the practice squad good good, okay. 705 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: Chances of getting Jalen Giten. I just got good good okay. 706 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: Chances of getting U getting Davis to the practice Reggie 707 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: Davis good good Okay. So now I'm thinking, I've got 708 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: guys I'm feeling good about, but that are still gonna 709 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: be on the team. There are still gonna be on 710 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: the team. So if I if I, if I lose 711 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: Devin Smith, I'm maybe not feeling terrible about that, but 712 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: I would feel bad if if all of a sudden, 713 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: Justin Phillips plays well, and I'm thinking, oh geez, I 714 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 1: just put a damn linebacker out there for somebody to grab. 715 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: And I got this wide receiver on my fifty three, 716 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: but I got three other practice squad guys that I 717 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: was you know what, you know what I'm saying, let 718 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: me throw another wide receiver into the mix. Noah Brown. 719 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: I think Noah Brown. Mickey said this so along, and 720 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: Mickey was the first one to say this, And I 721 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: think he's going to be right about this. He's on 722 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: the team. No, I think pup. That's right. They're gonna 723 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: keep him pup. So for six weeks he's like that 724 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: safety blanket that they could go back to definitely if 725 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: they if they factor in. Yeah, see that's why I 726 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: think I would. I would if I don't feel great 727 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: about the sixth receiver, that I might go five. And 728 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: then Okay, maybe I'm not carrying an extra linebacker. Maybe 729 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm carrying an extra defensive lineman. Maybe I'm carrying carry Hyder, 730 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, or somebody like that. Say the point on 731 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: Noah Brown, He's on your taxi squad basically, right, okay, 732 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: and so that just has increased depth at your wide 733 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: receiver position there, right, no, right, And so I think 734 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: like with a with either a Cedric Wilson or with 735 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: Devin Smith, how does he factor into actual playing this year? 736 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: Devin Smith? Yeah, I mean they're starting to use Cedric 737 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: Wilson and Devin Smith are getting reps with special Team. 738 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: They're starting to see him as flyers, flyer blockers. You're 739 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: starting to see him kickoff return, punt return. You're starting 740 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: to see them get more more opportunities to be Okay, 741 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: if you make this team, it's Bill Parcells would say, 742 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: as I take you to the game, what else are 743 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: we going to get from you? Well, and the assumption 744 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: here is that Tavon Austin's making the team. Yeah, what if? Yeah, 745 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: because if these if they have confidence and these other guys, 746 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: and they've been using Pollard as a kickoff return guy. Yeah. 747 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: By the way, so they know what they have in 748 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: Tavon Austin's right, Like Tavon Austin needs to show them anymore. Yeah, 749 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: they know right now. They know what they got. No, 750 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: people are asking you, make you the same question they're saying, Okay, 751 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: they're going broad us. Why is Tavon Austin's safe. You 752 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: know that that's the question they're asking right now. Well, 753 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: I should have been pariscope, you know what I feel 754 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: like though that that that I feel like though watching 755 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: him play that it's kind of like like Pollard's got 756 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: some plays, and I really think that Kevin Moore's got 757 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: some things brewing with her from Tavon with the with 758 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: the quick stuff, but that those deep crossing routes where 759 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: they move the pocket and the ball goes flying all 760 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: the way across the field and he's like running past 761 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: people because he's short. He's kind of People were how 762 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: excited Lenahan was when they made the trade for Tavon. Well, 763 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: Jerry basically said you better do something with him and 764 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: they were they got hurt. Do you think that any 765 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 1: any play caller he's going to be excited about? Okay, 766 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: so here's the deal. Gallop or Cooper are injured. Who's 767 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: your backup on the outside right now? I think it's 768 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: Randall Cop, it's Cobb And you don't really want to 769 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: go that route, but you'd have to. If you put 770 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: Cob on the outside, then that means you have to 771 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: who's gonna play your slot? And that's where Tavon Austin 772 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: comes in. That's where it is to me. But if 773 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: you need another true outside receiver, one of those guys, yeah, 774 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: uh would be it, I think, although they've been using 775 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Wilson in the slot too. Five corners, five safeties, I'm 776 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: asking or six and four. I've been six and four 777 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: all along. What's gonna happen with Byron Jones? See, That's 778 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Though, they will carry him. Yeah, he's 779 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: on the team. He's on the team for sure. He's 780 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: close enough. He's close enough so he's not a pup. 781 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: But can you but can you get by with can 782 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: you get by with with the five corners? Then if 783 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: you if you mean Okay, he's on the team. Can 784 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: you get by with the four you got? You know, 785 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: can you get by with the four corners? And so 786 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: far I think you've seen you can. I feel like, 787 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, I look at Anthony Woozier, Brown Lewis, who's 788 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: my fourth guy? Because I don't think. I don't think 789 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: Mike Jackson's on this team. No. Now, if Byron Jones 790 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: is on there, and you've got your two starters and 791 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: those two as your as your backups, well who's your 792 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: fourth guy? Well, Joe Joe, Jon Jones, Jordan Lewis. Okay, 793 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: who's your fifth guy? I don't know? Is Mike Jackson 794 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: want to make this? See That's why I don't think 795 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: Mike Jackson can see. I mean, I'm thinking about Lumba 796 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: or Alumba. See Goodwin is their special Team's ace. Don't though, 797 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: Don't you think when Jason was asked the other day 798 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: about Alumba it was kind of a lukewarm you know, 799 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: And I think it was one of those luke you 800 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: know what coaches do. Don't talk good about a guy 801 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: because when people are listening, Yeah, people are listening. People 802 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: like na He's not okay from a special team standpoint, 803 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: Then do you which of these safetias? Keeping a fifth safety? 804 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: How does that help you special teams wise over keeping 805 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: the corner, the extra corner whatever. Say again again, I 806 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: was safety, fifth safety? You said five safety, five corners. Yeah, 807 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: you go that route because special team's advantage. See Donovan Wilson, 808 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: I think would be the fifth safety unless he can 809 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: knock cab On Frasier out of the mix. That's what 810 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of thinking. Good. But if 811 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, we don't want to lose 812 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: cab On Frasier, but let's we have to. We have 813 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: to keep Wilson has shown us enough, then they might 814 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: go five and five. So who are your safeties in? 815 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: You got Heath and Woods, you got Donovan Wilson, you 816 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: got Cavan Frasier, right, and Thompson. Thompson. Yeah, so I 817 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: looks out. I think he is. I'd have seen nothing 818 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: to suggest not. Yeah, but wait a second, I thought 819 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: when they signed him he was going to be the start. 820 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't get sorry. I told you about following the money, right, Okay, 821 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: we are up against the clock that it's like it 822 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: looks that way. Well, you'll hear from all of us tomorrow. 823 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. It will be a workday tomorrow. As 824 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: a fast forty five minutes it was and will continue 825 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: on Monday here on Talking Cowboys. This has been a 826 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 827 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 1: Football Club.