WEBVTT - Ep 154 Ask The Erins (Again!)

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Hi, I'm Erin Well and I'm Erin Almond Updike

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this podcast will kill.

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<v Speaker 2>You un conventional style.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels really weird Erin. We're very It's very awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very awkward. We have not recorded in this same

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<v Speaker 1>space since twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right before you left for Finland.

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<v Speaker 1>That was six years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the very beginning of season two with

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<v Speaker 2>the last time that we were together in the same room.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very weird. I feel like more nervous. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>my cold sweating I.

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<v Speaker 1>Put onto the owner, but probably not enough the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be fun though, and unconventional a because we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the same place recording would be because this

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<v Speaker 1>is not our typical episode format case. You may have

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<v Speaker 1>noticed from the title of this episode, which we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is yet, but it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>something to the effect of ask the errands whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is you want to ask them. And there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things you wanted to ask us. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of things, which is thrilling.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to everybody who submitted your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>We read every single question. We are going to try

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<v Speaker 2>our best to answer as many of them as we

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<v Speaker 2>can today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Also, I just also want to say thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for all of your little comments too. They

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<v Speaker 1>made our.

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<v Speaker 2>Day absolutely, our week, our month, my year, lives yeah everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The last time we did this, the only time

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<v Speaker 1>we did this was in twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's safe to say a lot has happened then.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to get into all of that and

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<v Speaker 1>all of your other questions. But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quarantine. It's still quarantiny time.

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<v Speaker 3>Eron.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we calling this one right now? We're drinking

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<v Speaker 1>just non alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Non alcoholics mes cown nigronies. They're a little bit weird, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie, we tell it like it is on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't come up with a name for them. We're

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<v Speaker 2>drinking of plus e Burita.

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<v Speaker 1>The Errands cheers, so I guess for the quarantini slash

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<v Speaker 1>plasy rita. The Errands like, drink whatever you like. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite thing that you've been drinking lately?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite quarantini that we've ever made?

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<v Speaker 1>Erin me, Yeah, this is a hard one. I erin

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<v Speaker 1>my I feel like my memory, in part because of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, is so overloaded that I cannot remember anything.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a really good peach whiskey one that I

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<v Speaker 1>made recently, but I think my go to answer for

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<v Speaker 1>that is the Gunneria one Burning Love.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my go to too. Yeah, I mean so good,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good. Okay, it's great. Have a spicy marg.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't think we have any other podcast business,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the usual. Our website exists, and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>some things on it like bookshop dot Org, affiliate account,

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<v Speaker 1>our Goodreads list a, all of our transcripts. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>sources for each and every one of our episodes, links

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<v Speaker 1>to music by Bloodmobile, Patreon, diat Say merch, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty cool merch, pretty big merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably more coming out soon, so check.

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<v Speaker 1>It, check it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, shall we get into some listener questions?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Let's take a quick break and then

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<v Speaker 1>get started. It started.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have our little listy here, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna read through our little listy, shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Megan and Audrey and several other people. This isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>real question because so we just combined a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of them. They would like to know personal life updates

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<v Speaker 2>airin EIRIN five years ago. It was twenty nineteen. You

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<v Speaker 2>weren't living here where we are, in your beautiful house,

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<v Speaker 2>So tell us about your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see. Okay, I'm going to try to be succynct

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<v Speaker 1>because I could talk about all I could talk about

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<v Speaker 1>all these questions at great length. But in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I quit my postdoc in Finland and you know, academia

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't for me, bottom line. And then I moved

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<v Speaker 1>back to the US. I moved to Chicago initially, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when COVID hit, I drove out to Colorado to

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with a friend free grad school, a longtime

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<v Speaker 1>friend from grad school, and then uh, basically moved to Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're married.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, also, they are meant to be together. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm going to say. Okay, it's a beautiful love story,

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<v Speaker 2>and we love it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you, John, love you John. Yes. So now

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<v Speaker 1>we've been in Denver since well John's been in Denver

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty twenty. I've moved fully the year after. And

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<v Speaker 1>now we have a dog who's toenails you're probably hearing

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<v Speaker 1>click on the floor of our sun room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, yeah, yay. What about you, Aaron? A lot has

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<v Speaker 1>happened for you.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot has happened for me as well. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember exactly when our first ask the Errands

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<v Speaker 2>came out. I want to say it was summer summer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so in summer of twenty nineteen is when I had

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<v Speaker 2>my first kid. So I don't know if I had

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<v Speaker 2>one yet when we recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you did.

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<v Speaker 2>In any case, he's still here with us, and now

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<v Speaker 2>he's a giant kid, not a baby. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>finished med school. We moved from Illinois back to San Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled to be back there. I finished my whole residency,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good, wild that much time has passed. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I had another kid in a while back. Now

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<v Speaker 2>he's again a toddler and no longer a baby. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like a short version of my life updates.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great, it's great, right, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, finished med school, finish residency, had two kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast podcast, yeah, podcast, All right, thanks for the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's next?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we have a question from Kashina Mackenzie, Maddie Ruby,

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea and others. We love how many of the questions

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<v Speaker 1>were like very similar because we were like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>you do want to know some things about us. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to read one of these questions. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's been years since we've heard what you've

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<v Speaker 1>both been up to professionally. Are either of you engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in any research, taking breaks working in your chosen fields

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<v Speaker 1>in the same vein What are your hopes for the

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<v Speaker 1>future academically or professionally? Ooh, I like that question. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>any questions? Oh, I have to start. You don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>But so, I just finished my residency, which means I'm

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<v Speaker 2>done with all of the training part of my medical career,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am starting in clinical practice in family medicine

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<v Speaker 2>in like the next month or so, and then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing the podcast and that is that's that's the job

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and I'm hoping to be able to keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing both.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, so good, Yeah, so far, so great. Yeah, Eric,

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<v Speaker 1>So I now my I guess my full time job.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing any research anymore, any academia anymore at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing podcasts full time. Since twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what a beautiful year that was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great and hopes for the future academically or professionally.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, I think we just want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast going as long as we possibly can. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we love making it, and I think that we may

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm jumping ahead, and there is a question for

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<v Speaker 1>like how long do you think that this podcast can

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<v Speaker 1>keep going? But every year the list grows longer and longer,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks in large part also to listeners who write in

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<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, can you cover this? Hey can you

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<v Speaker 1>cover that? So I really just want to keep being

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<v Speaker 1>able to do science communication forever and always.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we really love getting to make this so that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of our current and future career. Yes, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I love this. Next question Catherine S and.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Jackie Jackie love you.

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<v Speaker 2>They asked kind of similar questions. Did a certain person

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<v Speaker 2>in your life inspire you to follow the science path

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<v Speaker 2>or were you always drawn to it even as a

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<v Speaker 2>little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was always drawn to it. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of went from medical to biology at different points.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched Beakman's World growing up. Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot about that show. Yeh, I totally watched that show.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved Beacon's World, like a lot of Bill Nye

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Nye. I had like a vet kit and like

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor kit and everything, and I would pretend to, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, treat my dogs and stuff. But no, I

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<v Speaker 1>think even in high school, I was drawn to the

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<v Speaker 1>field of science and biology in particular. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was like great teachers or just the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of understanding how the world works around us.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean same. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a science nerd. Yeah, I'm gonna my friend, good friend

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<v Speaker 2>Jackie that I've been friends with since middle school, asked

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<v Speaker 2>one of these questions, so I'm gonna shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>my roots of just how nerdy we were in high

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<v Speaker 2>school during our ap bio class, which like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>you're taking ap bio, you're probably a nerd. Love it,

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<v Speaker 2>And we were, and we used to have study groups

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<v Speaker 2>together and we wanted to make t shirts that said

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<v Speaker 2>hydrogen bonds Rule the World, because that's how amazed I

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<v Speaker 2>was when I learned about hydrogen bonds. Like still to

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<v Speaker 2>this day when I think about them, I get very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we make those t shirts. That would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's been a dream since high school. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I have always been a science nerd for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that. Love that. This next question kind of follows

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<v Speaker 1>up with that. So, like we talked about what science

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<v Speaker 1>nerds we were as kids, but Aisha, Jess, Nicole, Kelly, Daisy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Maggie want to know if there was a particular

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<v Speaker 1>moment or experience in our lives that made us realize

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<v Speaker 1>that we wanted to pursue the careers that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I totally have that. So I was definitely like

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<v Speaker 2>a science nerd from the beginning, went into undergrad wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to do aquatic biology marine biology, fully expected I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a shark biologist. I was like all in.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a particular class. I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 2>told this story so many times, Sorry if it's boring

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, but a particular class on the ecology

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<v Speaker 2>of parasites that one hundred percent rocked my world made

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<v Speaker 2>me interested in the field of diseases and epidemiology, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is what led me down the path eventually of

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<v Speaker 2>Masters in Public Health and an mdphd. And everything that

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<v Speaker 2>has come of that has been that class.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, Ecology of Parasites.

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<v Speaker 2>It was such a good class. If you're at UCMB

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<v Speaker 2>and it's still there, please take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had wanted to go into nursing initially when I

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<v Speaker 1>was an undergrad, and then I had to take as

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<v Speaker 1>part of that an intro to microbiology course And it

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<v Speaker 1>was at eight am Monday Wednesday Friday, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>to ride my bike up this hill, which is probably

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<v Speaker 1>not that big of a hill because it was like

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<v Speaker 1>central Kentucky. But I found myself not sleeping in and

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<v Speaker 1>actually wanting to go to this class and not missing

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<v Speaker 1>a class, which I was sometimes known to do with

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<v Speaker 1>other classes. And so I switched my major to biology,

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<v Speaker 1>being like, I want to know more about the world

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<v Speaker 1>of microbiology. I want to know all about these diseases.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also just started to become more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in the human impact when I joined a plague lab

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<v Speaker 1>studying your cineapestis, and I wanted this big picture view

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<v Speaker 1>of like, but how has plague affected things on a

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<v Speaker 1>landscape scale and then throughout history? And then that led

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<v Speaker 1>me into my master's in epidemiology, and that's when I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, but what about the environment? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What role does that play? And that is when I

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<v Speaker 1>did disease ecology, and then of course in later in

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<v Speaker 1>our which we'll get talked probably a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about later, but at the end of our PhDs, we

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<v Speaker 1>were like science communication, like, how can we actually talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff in a way that is fun for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I feel like that gets into another question that

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<v Speaker 2>several of you asked, including Jess, Nicole and Kelly, which

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what was the most pivotal moment of your

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<v Speaker 2>academic or professional careers and why? And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron years is like really good?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? I wonderful for thinking of the same pivotal moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so okay, your pivotal moment changed both of our careers. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>like Aaron has changed our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron has changed our lives as well. No, yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>was okay. So in November of twenty eighteen, I moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Finland to start my postdoc and I really enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>the work there. I liked that the research. My postdoc

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<v Speaker 1>advisor was phenomenal, really wonderful person. But I had gone

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<v Speaker 1>back in February a few months later to uh Texas

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<v Speaker 1>to go to my friend's wedding and I had such

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<v Speaker 1>a great time and like hanging out, meeting up with

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<v Speaker 1>people that I hadn't, like, you know, been around for

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<v Speaker 1>a number of years. And I was getting on the

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<v Speaker 1>plane back to Finland and I was thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I going back to? And I loved the

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<v Speaker 1>like I was intrigued by the research. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating, but it was the constant sort of cycle

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<v Speaker 1>of writing grants, writing papers, analyzing the data, always having

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<v Speaker 1>to get that you know, get that thing in having

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<v Speaker 1>all of a million deadlines, and I just did not

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<v Speaker 1>connect with that at all. And I thought there's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be something else. I can't do this forever, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I quit my post doc and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do the podcast in the meantime for like a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and then I'll find something else. And then

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<v Speaker 1>that has now been five years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I mean, when we decided to

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<v Speaker 2>make this podcast in twenty seventeen, we did not ever

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<v Speaker 2>anticipate that it could become our careers. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a point at which and it was during this time

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<v Speaker 2>when you were like, I don't really want to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. Could we make this podcast something that is

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<v Speaker 2>viable as our careers. And at the same time, I

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<v Speaker 2>was still in medical school and knowing that things were

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<v Speaker 2>only going to get busier, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to keep making this podcast, but I can't do

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<v Speaker 2>it the way that we've been doing it because it

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<v Speaker 2>was just too much of a burden for both of

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<v Speaker 2>us to keep doing what we are doing. And so

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<v Speaker 2>by you then deciding to take that leap of quitting

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<v Speaker 2>your like stable, real academic job and becoming the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>full time, it has allowed for this podcast to still exist.

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<v Speaker 1>So it has.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally changed both of our lives for the better. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's phenomenal, and I it's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it is. I will say, like it is still

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<v Speaker 1>surreal to me every single time that like this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we get to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the best thing. It is the best thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you know, any job is a job, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that, like every day is wonderful and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never annoyed at having to take quarantine pictures or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, but it is the it's like finding

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<v Speaker 1>that thing that I connect with and I am able

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<v Speaker 1>to feel fulfilled about has been It's been an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>experience I love it. And also, my friend Katie was

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<v Speaker 1>the one whose wedding I went to in February of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, and if you listened to our lactose intolerance episode,

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<v Speaker 1>she provided the first hand account, which is still one

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<v Speaker 1>of my all time favorite, one of the best first

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<v Speaker 1>hand accounts. Such a great storyteller, It's amazing. Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Okay, So I love this next question because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a piggybacks onto that and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know your answer to this too, especially Aaron. So

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<v Speaker 1>Daisy asked, do you currently have the career you thought

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have when you first applied to college? Like not?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know, absolutely not. Like short answer, no, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you think you wanted to be when you went

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<v Speaker 1>into college? In college?

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be a shark biologist?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, it's like day one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, at least as much as I can remember, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember if there was any other specifics of like, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to study sharks. I wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 2>shark biologist. Wow, so this is not what I expected

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing. I specifically told my mother after freshman

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<v Speaker 2>year that I would never go to med school. So

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I didn't need to take all three quarters

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<v Speaker 2>of OKEM, so I took a summer course instead and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like okay, and I was like, I'm never

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<v Speaker 2>going to grad school.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was never going to go to grad

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<v Speaker 2>school and be a shapologist. I didn't know what I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing, but I definitely thought I would never go

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<v Speaker 2>to med school. And now like I am, I am

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<v Speaker 2>done with residency.

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<v Speaker 1>You're an MdeR doctor doctor mdphd.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I do not have the job that I expected,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm very happy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about you? No not, I'm yeah. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know science communication existed until after we were doing the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast for a year. Yeah yeah, uh no, I when

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it, when I applied to the University of

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky for undergrad which is where I ended up going,

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<v Speaker 1>I put in my major as a double major of

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<v Speaker 1>anthropology and English.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, right, that's even different than nursing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got there and I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that's not I want to do nursing. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was eighteen, Like, how do you are

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<v Speaker 1>you supposed to choose your entire life at eighteen? But Aaron,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have a full circle moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to skip like a million pages ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>ask you the question that I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>that someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see who asked it so I can shout

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<v Speaker 1>out you.

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<v Speaker 2>To say thank you, Sheila, thanks for asking. You said

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<v Speaker 2>that you were an English major when you first started,

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<v Speaker 2>so you always knew that you were going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Write a book. So when are you going to release

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<v Speaker 1>your book? Aaron? Well, I have to like write one first,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to write a book proposal first. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been floating around in my mind for a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time. I have said this for years, yes to people,

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<v Speaker 1>to friends. I do really want to do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just need to actually do it. So if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>has any tips for like how to actually do that

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<v Speaker 1>and accomplish that, and you know, let me know. We

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to read it. Yeah, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be about yet. Preon's would everyone read

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<v Speaker 1>a book about prion?

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<v Speaker 2>I would? I'd love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks done.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's next?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is next? Sophie?

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<v Speaker 3>Henry Hi Sophie, So Sophie asks, what is the best

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<v Speaker 3>piece of advice that either or both of you have

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<v Speaker 3>received in going to grad school, med school, or working

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<v Speaker 3>in science in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have now co opted this and we have

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<v Speaker 1>like put it into our presentations, which is, don't let

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<v Speaker 1>perfect be the enemy of good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I actually think that we stole this or

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<v Speaker 1>I stole this from Brian Allan, our PhD advisor, because

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<v Speaker 1>he would whenever we were like stressing about grants or

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<v Speaker 1>papers or whatever, he would be like, just put it

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<v Speaker 1>down and then we can work on it. Just having

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<v Speaker 1>something down. It doesn't have to be perfect, like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>wordsmith till the end of time, right, just get started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know if this is specific to like

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<v Speaker 2>grad school or anything, but I know and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this advice came from a friend that it is

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<v Speaker 2>okay to change your mind personally and professionally. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've changed my mind about almost everything that at some

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<v Speaker 2>point I was like absolutely not or absolutely always, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've like one hundred percent changed my mind on things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a part of growth, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and I think that's really important in the

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<v Speaker 1>specific context, not just like personal context, you know, life context,

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<v Speaker 1>but in career as well, if you're if you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm not sure why I started this

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, don't be afraid to explore other options, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be even if you're like, oh, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do this thing since I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's going to change your mind to not want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that anymore more you were a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and I think what's so awesome is that,

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<v Speaker 2>like all of the things that you have done up

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<v Speaker 2>until whatever point you decide to change your mind are

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<v Speaker 2>still going to be valuable things, like they're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe be applied in a different context.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I love that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's really similar to Carrie's question, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>a number of other people asked too, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>advice would you give to your undergrad self.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think same thing, like, don't be afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to change your mind is a great piece of advice

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<v Speaker 1>for that. But also this is like such a boring

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<v Speaker 1>thing and I would not have taken it because I

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<v Speaker 1>know I received this advice a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 1>but never took it, which was, Oh my gosh, work

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<v Speaker 1>on your time management skills. You don't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>studying all night long, all the time, if you actually, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, block off times in your in your day.

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<v Speaker 1>I never ever did that until doing the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yet, and I mean I still don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I still like very bad at it and a chronic procrastinator,

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<v Speaker 2>So I could probably be better about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Give a similar advice to the idea that like, you

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.479
<v Speaker 2>don't you it's okay to change your mind, and like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to panic every time that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's coming next. I spent I think a lot

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of time panicking. I still do. Oh yeah, when it's

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>like you don't know it, like you know that something's

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<v Speaker 2>about to change, but you don't know how it's going

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to go. That's that is life. It's life, and it's okay,

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's okay that it's scary. But you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to panic every time.

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<v Speaker 1>Arin there are many different pathways and futures that can

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of like intersect, and it's not like you're shutting

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a door forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so true. Oh my gosh, profound Erin, profound.

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<v Speaker 1>Erin, I have a question for you. Actually I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's from Jess and Kelly. Okay, if you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>science communicators slash doctor. Okay, what other career would you

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting sit and exploring?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I still say shark biologists?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? But like what else right now? Do you want

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to be a shark biologist? Right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are days when I wonder why did

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<v Speaker 2>I ever leave marine biology? Yeah that's fair. Yeah, there

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>were more days like that when I lived in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are honestly so many jobs that I think

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 2>are fascinating that like, whenever I learn about a new job,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, I didn't even like consider that as

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<v Speaker 2>a career path. That could be such a cool job.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't think of any off the top of

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<v Speaker 2>my head right now. I know, yeah, what about you, Erin?

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<v Speaker 1>I have always loved the idea of like working in

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<v Speaker 1>a used bookstore and creating curated recommendations for people. But

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>also there are it's just like so many things right

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you watch I love going on, Like some of the

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 1>reddits that I love are people who are amazing at crafts. Oh,

0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.719
<v Speaker 1>whether it's crochet or knitting, or ceramics or working, and

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<v Speaker 1>I I just am like, well, I wish that I

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<v Speaker 1>had spent my I guess I could still do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wish I had spent more time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing this at an earlier age, to experiment, like what

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I liked, what I didn't like, et cetera. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there are so many things out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more that I learned, the more I'm like, Wow,

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 1>that could be a really cool thing to explore. Yeah,

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>there's like, there's so much out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I love this question so much erin especially because

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>it comes from Sloan who's been listening to us since

0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 2>middle school and is now in college, so we are old,

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:33.880
<v Speaker 2>we are.

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<v Speaker 1>In a way that I love it. Yes, I'm thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>by it.

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<v Speaker 2>But they asked, how have you felt like your views

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>on infections and everything that we've covered have shifted since

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the start of this podcast, and really, how does this

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 2>podcast inform how we go about our own lives? And

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 2>other people have asked similar questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do I like encapsulate everything? It's it's a

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 1>really great question because I think it it is so

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that we don't necessarily always do is like

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>self reflect Onah, Like, how can I put myself in

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the mindset of the person I was before starting the

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>podcast and what I knew about infections and the history

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>of disease and so on. But I think the bottom

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>line for me is empathy and realizing that so, like,

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>these diseases are not just diseases, and they're not just

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<v Speaker 1>like a timeline of events, It is people. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the way that we learn about disease,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as you get like more and more advanced in

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>graduate degrees, it removes the actual humanity from any part

0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of it. And so I think doing this podcast has

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 1>been a great exercise in the constant reminder of, like,

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>these are diseases that are happening to people, and who

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.160
<v Speaker 1>are living with these diseases.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel exactly the same Aaron, And I feel like,

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>especially getting to learn you do such a wonderful job

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>going over the history of everything that we cover, just

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 2>gonna cry. And I really feel like that context is

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>something that I always missed and I would not have

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 2>gotten anywhere else in my training in my life, and

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>so especially as like a physician, I feel so strongly

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that the context that doing this podcast provides, like on

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a weekly basis, has made me a better healthcare provider.

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>It has made me a better human I think that

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it has. It just provides so much context of understanding,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>like how horrible and terrible the world can be sometimes

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and how that affects so many things, Like everything is

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<v Speaker 2>so much bigger than we realize if you look deep

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 2>into the history of it. And so yeah, I think

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 2>it's empathy all the way. And it's not like that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the answer I would have expected from like we're

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 2>going to start a podcasts called this podcast Will Kill

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<v Speaker 2>You about disease, Like that sounds it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I wash my hands more right, Like yeah, probably,

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but no, I do empathy. It's empathy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Maggie, Maggie, thank you for this question. Uh, it's

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a really relevant one. Yep. Do either of you ever

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>experience imposter syndrome when you explain things on the podcast

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 1>and get worried that maybe you're getting anything wrong and

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>might get bad feedback. If so, how do you handle that? Yes?

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we I won't speak for you, but I know

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 2>we both you can, Okay, we both absolutely experience a

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of imposter syndrome. And also just like we try

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>really really really hard to be as accurate as we

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>can and to provide as much context and story as

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>we can, and we know that not only might we

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>get things wrong, but there are going to be things

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that we leave out out of every single episode, and

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>so it's something that we're very conscious of that, like

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>we're there are things that we're going to leave out,

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and so we just like we just try our best.

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>And I think what we keep in mind is something

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that you said earlier erin, which is like, don't let

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>perfection in the way of good. And so we try

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>and think that by at least providing as much and

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>as good of information as we can, we're doing something

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>good by putting that information out there and worry less

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>about what we might be leaving out or getting wrong,

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:17.959
<v Speaker 2>because the other thing is that if we get something wrong,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 2>you guys let us know, which is phenomenal and then

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 2>we can correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, I don't know if I have anything

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>to add on that, but absolutely get I get worried,

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I get imposter syndrome, and yeah, we just sort of

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>like we do go into each episode very intentionally wanting

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to like the amount of reading and research that we

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>do that we then sort of narrow down to be like, Okay,

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>what do we present, right, it is a very intentional choice,

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and we don't always get it right right because we

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>are limited in it with time as well and with

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>just sort of like bandwidth and everything too, but also

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.959
<v Speaker 1>because some of these concepts you need so many years

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to become an expert in. And so I think that

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>like we we do kind of struggle with this balance

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>sometime of being like, we are not experts, but we

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>are telling you this information, and so how can we

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>make sure that we're giving you the most accurate information

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>and that if you want to learn more, here are

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>our sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Oh, Aaron, here's a fun one, right. He Austin

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>wants to know what is your favorite funny story that

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>happened because of the podcast or related to the podcast.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. I think that some of my funny stories

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>related to the podcast are when I'm around someone who

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>finds who's like, oh, I listened to this podcast will

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>kill you, and they're like, wait, you did this podcast

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>will kill you? So that that happened? Uh man. Two

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>of my stories have weddings in them that happened at

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a wedding last year. And we were talking about how

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>well AI would be able to generate a description of

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the podcast and it was surprising. It was terrifying, right,

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like really good. Yeah. And someone at the table was like, wait,

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that's sounds familiar. I know that podcast. That's the only

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>podcast episode I have ever listened to. And I listened

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to it before doing interviews to get me hyped. And

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.959
<v Speaker 1>it was the episode about snake venom, and I was like,

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>this is the best thing ever made me so happy.

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I love it so much. Mine is a lot more awkward.

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's classic me. One time I was at

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>so if you're if you're listening, uh, I want to know.

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 2>I want to know if you remember this.

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I was love this.

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I was at a Shakeshack, not like the brand Shakeshack,

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>but this place called Shakeshack, which is up on the

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>cliffs near Corona Damar, and I was getting Shakespeare. I

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 2>pulled in to get some milkshakes and I was a

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>little chilly, so I went to the car to grab

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>a sweater. But the only sweater that was in there

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 2>was my husband's this podcast will kill You logo sweater.

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 2>And I don't usually wear our merch like in public

0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 2>public because I'm so awkward, but I was wearing it,

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and then I was walking back from the car, and

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>someone walked past and said, oh my god, I love

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>that podcast. Obviously didn't know who I was, but I

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 2>just panicked and I was like, I get them up

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>there and then and I had my dog with me,

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and I just kind of ran away.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I can see this perfectly in my mind's I just

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>ran away. So that was you, Hi.

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I think about it like almost every week about how

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>terrible and awkward I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, Okay, next question, great question. Okay, so we've got

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the next few questions. Yeah, we just took a little

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>skim over and they're kind of all similar thematically, and

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of we're gonna let's do one, two, three,

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>bom boom boom. Right, all right, so diego, Kaz, Patty,

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and Sarah all want to know various questions about our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite diseases, the scariest diseases, the scariest hypothetical diseases, and

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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting type of infectious disease transmission. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a tough one. Mm hmmm. H What do

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>you think erin transmission? I think I would have to

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>say vector borne disease. Yeah, I mean, I spent six

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 1>years of my life studying it, and I do still

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>find it fascinating.

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I do too, especially just thinking about all of the

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>pathogens that are adapted to multiple different hosts, like necessarily

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 2>for transmission. I find that just so fascinating evolutionarily and ecologically, well.

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Just like the trade offs, and like I think this

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>applies to just patterns of transmission, right, what are the

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 1>trade offs between being super specific to one host versus

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>being able to be transmitted to a wide variety of hosts,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>or what if some vector born diseases that are specifically

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>adapted to one vector one host, Like, there are so

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>many different ways that disease can be transmitted and happen,

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and it's fascinating to think of the evolutionary history behind that. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of most terrifying diseases, I still think and

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>this is maybe like not a fully fair question because this,

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess is a hypothetical, but like could very much exist,

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 2>will maybe someday, is like the hypothetical disease if from contagion. Right, sure,

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the movie Contagent, where it was a pathogen that's transmitted

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 2>by like airborne or droplet transmission, so like easy to

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>spread has a very high mortality rate and can be

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 2>transmitted before somebody is symptomatic.

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Right. We had said this long ago, I think in

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>our influenza episode. We talked about it in our neupavirus episode,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 1>and I think that with COVID we really did get

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to kind of like witness that on a global scale,

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>it's terrifying. It's terrifying. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. Hm.

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>So like that's like this hypothetical example in terms of

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>some of the pathogens I think that we've covered that

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>are terrifying in a different way. Are the ones that

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>are you know, the ones we always talk about like rabies, right,

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>parasite manipulation of host behavior or pathogen manipulation of host

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>behavior where there is nothing that you can do. I

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>also still think prey are very just not not so

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>much scary, but just like but how yeah. It really

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>does sort of like stretch the boundaries of what we

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 1>consider it to be infectious diseases or like what is

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>a disease that is contagious? It's just what is a pathogen?

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Right? I guess, like like Tasmanian devils, Like what is

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.479
<v Speaker 2>a pathogen? What is a cancer? It's oh man, Okay,

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>now we have just some really fun ones. Darcy wants

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to know, what are disease names that you think would

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:09.919
<v Speaker 2>be a beautiful person name.

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, first one that came to mind was your sinia

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>not yes, Okay, here's another one. What what about ari

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Aris could be actually in the right context and you

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 1>call them toulee? I think that's cute.

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh. Similarly, Alexis wanted to know what if you had

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>to have your last name.

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Be a disease? What disease would it be?

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Your last name, which I feel like is a little

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 2>different than like a first name. I don't think i'd

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>picked Tulee.

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what like? What else?

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of any I'm just because we're put

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 2>on the spot.

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I still am gonna go with Arius as Yeah

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it works, Aaron, your sinea doesn't work. No, Aaron, pestis

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>could work.

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well good stuff, great stuff. Okay. So the next

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>few questions are also linked thematically. All about books, All

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>about books, which I am thrilled. I'm thrilled about, even

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>though right now I'm also having a little internal panic

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>because I don't have liked to be like, what have

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I read? Because Aaron I cannot remember I cannot remember.

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>But okay, so rhiannon wants to know about favorite or

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 1>best books about microbe slash microbiology. Besides, I contain multitudes,

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Ed Young.

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean erin you have to answer this question because

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, I haven't had time to read a book

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>since at least before my school so that's really embarrassing

0:37:55.360 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 2>to admit on the podcast. But there it is. You know, I.

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Don't know, Like, so what I'm struggling with right now

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>is the qualifier of books about microbes microbiology.

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I think, just what's your favorite science book?

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to name two ones about microbes and

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>ones about it Give it to me, Okay. The one

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 1>about microbes is Spillover by David Kwaman. Okay, I read

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that before. I read that at some point during my PhD,

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:27.240
<v Speaker 1>before COVID obviously, and I thought it was absolutely terrifying

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but enlightening in terms of like how it's the one

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>is one health right, you know, and that that framing

0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 1>was still something that we think about every single day

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>so important. My favorite non microbe science book is probably

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>an Immense World by Ed Young. I think about this

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 1>book all the time. I think it is one of

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful examples of science writing, and not just

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>like in the sentence construction, but in how well Edyong

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>is able to convey information. That is, he's able to

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.839
<v Speaker 1>not just be surface level but also actually teach you

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>something along the way while entertaining you.

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>You should see this sparkle in her eyes. And if

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 2>you haven't listened to the book Club episode where Aaron

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>got to interview ed Young, you definitely need to listen.

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just such a great book and it really made

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>me think about the world in a new way.

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, similarly, Aarin, of all the books that you've read

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.919
<v Speaker 2>what in the last like five years? Oh, she can't.

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 2>She can't pick a favorite. Sorry, Orianna, there's too many

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 2>good ones. Okay, Okay, just gonna try.

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like literally, when we were going through this list

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of questions, that question stuck out to me and I

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, I have to go through what I

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>have read, and I can't find a favorite. I have

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a really hard time picking favorites about anything. But I

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>would say I have two that I can remember in

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the last year or so that I've read that I've

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>really loved. One is Matrix by Lauren Groff. Okay, I

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>loved it. Check it out. That's fiction and then nonfiction.

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I really liked a book about the Donner Party called

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>The Indifferent Stars Above, and I really appreciated how sensitive

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the author was and how empathetic the author was with

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the story, because you can really tell a donor party

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>story that is like incredibly horrifict yeah, and like very

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of voyeuristic or something like that, where you're just

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 1>like gratuitous violence and everything. In this I really felt

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 1>like he did such a great job of putting you

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>in the mindset of what it must have been like

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to be there, what it might have been like.

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, love that. If you're not following Aaron Walsh on Goodreads,

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to tell you it.

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Don't write reviews. Maybe I should. I don't even rate

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>most of the books, Okay, okay, so okay. This next

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>question is for me by Kristen, and it's about why

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I Aaron Welsh do not like Richard Preston books. So

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I have read a few, and I have found them

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhat helpful at times. The thing that I don't like,

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to call out just the hot zone

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>in particular, and it might even be like, let me

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 1>just even be more, you know, I'll give more benefit

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of the doubt. The copy that I have has literally

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>no sources at the end of it, and so I

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:27.240
<v Speaker 1>think that that is where it is. There's any science

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>book that is conveying information in a way that is

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be educational or informative should have sources, whether

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>those sources are from conversations or from papers or from whatever.

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I have a you know, teeny tiny

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>issue with that.

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to get like a season desist letter

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Show me the sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now we're just going to go fully silly, Nina,

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I don't want to answer this question. If

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>you were starving and your only options were a sandwich

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 2>prepared with unwashed hands or a delicious three course meal,

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>but every bite you took has a long hair in it, Ugh,

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>which one would you pick? Oh?

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, no hesitation. Three course meal with hairs it would

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 1>just be like eating a fish with like where you

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:21.439
<v Speaker 1>have to pick out the bones. I don't eat.

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I don't like that.

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's more work.

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.359
<v Speaker 2>It's also not the same as fish with bones because

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it's a hair from someone's head or body.

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but like you know, I guess. Okay, two questions,

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>what type of hair? Every bite? Every bite? I mean

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 1>you'll take giant bites and there's one hair.

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 2>But similarly, you're talking about unwashed hands, who's unwashed hands?

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>How unwashed?

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Right? When was the last washing? And how dirty?

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>And whose hand? Like is it my unwashed hands? Is

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>it my toddler's unwashed hands?

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Is it? We're talking full soiled or just like lightly

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>mildly dust. Oh, I don't know, it's that this is

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a hard question. Oh not for me. Three of course,

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>gourmet meal. I absolutely, it wouldn't be gourmet. Doesn't it

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:10.879
<v Speaker 1>say three courses with the hair?

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Agree to disagree? Yeah, okay, okay. Rachel and Alana want

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.440
<v Speaker 1>to know how much time it takes to prepare for

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>an episode, finding the research, reading the articles and books,

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and writing our summaries. A lot, A lot, a lot,

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And it varies a lot based on the episode. Yeah.

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>So for some of the bigger topics that we've covered,

0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>like menopause, like IVF, like.

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Three episodes, I think that took us like a month

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>or more.

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 1>It did, Yeah, But I would say in general, yeah,

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I a few solid days, like three to four solid

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.320
<v Speaker 1>days of reading and writing. As I'm reading notes like so,

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll like bullet point a lot of things, and then

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it takes me usually a couple days to summarize. Yeah,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and then there's the whole day, like I usually take

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a day of finding initial sources, and then as I

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>start to read and I'm like, oh, those citations look interesting,

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I should go find those papers. Oh those citations, and

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 1>it's just like you do go down the road at all. Yeah,

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 1>you do have to. It is sometimes hard to be

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>like that's enough, We're going to tell this story and

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>not the whole story.

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was interviewing for residency programs, some

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 2>of them asked me like, oh, are you planning on

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.879
<v Speaker 2>still doing the podcast during residency, because obviously residency takes

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hours per week And I was like, oh, definitely,

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, well, how many hours do you

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>spend and I think I said, oh, I don't know,

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe ten hours per week. It was like such an underestimate.

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I ca Anyways, Yep, we survived it.

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a lot, but it's also really like it's

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>fun work.

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of work.

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:52.399
<v Speaker 2>But it's fun work just.

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Getting to read like something and learn something new every week,

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 1>which we didn't get to do in grad school. I

0:44:58.280 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like it was very much in your.

0:44:59.480 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Field, right.

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Ooh, Vivian wants to know what is something that you

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 2>learned about doing this podcast that pops up frequently in

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 2>your mind, and they provided their first answer. I think

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.959
<v Speaker 2>about maggots all the time. Now, yes, I'm the same.

0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I also share my top quality pre on facts at barbecues.

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to go to your barbecue.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>One of us love those. I think, honestly. The thing

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 1>that happens every single day and now I'm embarrassed for

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 1>the second call out of an Immense World by Ed

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Young is the when I walk my dog. I genuinely

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 1>every single time he stops and sniffs for what feels

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>like ten minutes one spot. I'm like, but this is

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for him, this is for him. He's smelling much more

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 1>than I could ever smell. This is enrichment. So I

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>think that's probably the things that I think about the most.

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It is every single day.

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love that. I feel like there's a lot

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of things that I think about a lot. I think

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe the most though, is me, like just the whole

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>concept of a backstory behind things like hysteria. M M.

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think about that a lot. I think about our

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 2>endometriosis episode. I think about how much the medical system

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>has wronged people with a uterus like. I think about

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 2>that and it infuriates me on a daily basis.

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow, mine is Mine's like my dog snuffing an old turd.

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Yours is like the misogyny in medicine over time. Try

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I change my answer. No, no, no kidding, uh okay. Ruby

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>wants to know if we have other hobbies. Well, I

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 1>guess the question was, what other hobbies do we have?

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I have no hobbies, thank you.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, then I'll ask the second question, is it weird

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>going to the doctor?

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you? Are you a doctor who doesn't like to

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>go to the doctor?

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Have you been that before becoming a doctor?

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes? I never liked doctors.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I think people who don't like doctors end up being doctors.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's a fun question.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I am a terrible patient.

0:47:07.880 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Okay, I have a question for you. I'm just

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 1>going with this now. When you get a doctor as

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a patient, can you tell not always? Okay?

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, not always.

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I've had that happen a lot.

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.319
<v Speaker 2>And I remember, like first year of residency, I had

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>a patient who was like a second or third year

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 2>resident or something, and I was talking with them about

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 2>something for a really long time until we were like, oh, yeah,

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm in like whatever other specialty. And I was like,

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you just let me keep talking

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 2>for so long, but.

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I've always wondered is

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>it like, ah, yeah, you must also be. But what

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>about you, Aaron? You have hobbies? I read this. My

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 1>number one hobby is reading. That's a good hobby. And

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I garden in the summer when it's not a million

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>degrees outside, which I feel like it has been in

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Denver for a bit of time, although depending on when

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>this episode comes out, but probably will be cool. And

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 1>people are like, why are you complaining it's perfect weather

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>but no gardening? Reading? Uh, you know, camping whenever we can,

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 1>which is not very much, but that's basically it. Reading

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>is my number one hobby.

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good hobby.

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Does it count as a hobby?

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. Okay, yeah that counts as a hobby. I

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>hang out with my family, but that doesn't count as

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:29.240
<v Speaker 2>a hobby.

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>That's just a hobby.

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 2>It's not.

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:33.879
<v Speaker 1>It's part of life. I like it.

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a hobby. Okay, I feel like a hobby.

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anyways.

0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this next question I'm going to relate back

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to the question about what's it like to be a

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.240
<v Speaker 1>doctor going to the doctor and so on and stuff

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 1>like that, because I feel like it has to deal

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 1>with patient relationships cool or just like in your in

0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 1>your real life, my real life, in real life. Cassandra

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>wants to know if you have encountered any anti vaxxers

0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>in your personal or professional lives and how we respond

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to that.

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I live in San Diego, so definitely

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I think the thing. And again I think that this

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 2>is part of what the podcast has made me much

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>better at. Is not only like explaining things, and I

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:27.279
<v Speaker 2>think we got some questions later on about explaining complicated

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 2>things to people. But when I have patients, which I

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:35.320
<v Speaker 2>do very often, who either don't want to get a

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>vaccine or who have questions about a vaccine or about

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>any other medicine that I'm about to recommend to them,

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>or thing that I'm going to tell them that they

0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 2>might not want to hear. I think that doing this

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 2>podcast has really made me have more empathy for understanding

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that everybody has a story about why they came to

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>believe the thing that they came to believe, even if

0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 2>it is the exact opposite of what I believe, and

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 2>even if I think that I'm right or whatever. And

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.560
<v Speaker 2>so I think that the way that I tend to

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>approach that, especially in my professional life, because in my

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>personal life, I don't know, maybe I approach it the

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 2>same way, but especially in my professional life, I think

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I always tried to come from a place of trying

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 2>to understand where that person is coming from. So, do

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you have questions about this vaccine? Like I'm going to

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>bring up the flu shot. I see that you haven't

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>gotten your flu shot? Do you have any questions about it?

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 2>And if they say no, I might move on. Or

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 2>if I think that maybe I've gotten in I might

0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:40.240
<v Speaker 2>ask them a question, have you ever gotten one before?

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Have you had a bad reaction? What have you heard

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>about it? Like most of the time I have found

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that just by engaging with people from a place of

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 2>understanding and empathy rather than like a judgment of oh

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:52.959
<v Speaker 2>my god, how have you never gotten your flu shot?

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't you know you're putting people at risk or whatever,

0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:59.359
<v Speaker 2>or like fear mongering like never works, but just meeting

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 2>people are there and then knowing that, like, if you

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 2>foster that kind of relationship, then you probably have an

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to talk to them about it again. And it

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 2>might take many times of talking with someone about a

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 2>topic that they feel really strongly about before you feel

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like you're breaking down a wall or something. But a

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of times you can get there, especially when it's

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:21.280
<v Speaker 2>someone who's just worried or has questions or is afraid

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 2>and not like some people who just are never going

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to engage with you, and that's okay. There's some people

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 2>who you just don't I and I generally just don't write.

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, like, you know, the people that

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I interact with, which is not very many, I am,

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I acknowledge, like many other people probably

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that I live in a bubble, right. The people that

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I spend the most time with in my day to

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 1>day life are on the same page when it comes

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>to vaccines and public health and the importance of public health.

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 1>And during the times when I do interact with someone

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>who is has mixed feelings or is strongly anti vaccine,

0:51:55.920 --> 0:52:01.239
<v Speaker 1>It's challenging. It's challenging because it feels it feels like

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you're up against so much. And I think that sometimes

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.719
<v Speaker 1>it is a struggle to be like, Okay, how much

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>energy do I have right now? How much bandwidth do

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I have to try to convince this person? And is

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.799
<v Speaker 1>it convincing this person or is it just answering their

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 1>questions or asking them where they got their information and

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>so relatives. I think this is one where it's like, Okay,

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I hear you out, I hear you out. Are they

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>receptive but knowing that sometimes they're not going to be right?

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's okay, Like it's okay for for you to

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:33.799
<v Speaker 1>just say I can't do this right.

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I have a lot of experience

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 2>doing this because it's like part of my job when

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm being a doctor, right, like to try my best,

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 2>like to have a conversation with someone, and like I

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.319
<v Speaker 2>know that vaccines are important for individual and public health,

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 2>So like I'm gonna I'm gonna have a conversation. I'm

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna try, but like I'm not about to have a

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>fight with someone on the internet. No, no, no, so yeah,

0:52:56.040 --> 0:53:02.280
<v Speaker 2>it's it's picking your battles a little bit too. Yeah. Yeah, right, okay,

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 2>well this does Aaron. Our next question from Pamela, and

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I think Laura had a very similar question. How do

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you go about breaking complex science and history into a

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:15.080
<v Speaker 2>language that a general audience can understand? And do you

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 2>have recommendations for people who might want to get into psycom?

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, breaking complex science and history into language the

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>general audience can understand. You know, I think this is

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>something that is so important and that is under prioritized

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>in training, in grad school training. Yeah, in our experience,

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.800
<v Speaker 1>in our experience. You know, we went to grad school.

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 1>We graduated from grad school six years ago. Yeah, so

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a long time time. But I think that there are

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:50.359
<v Speaker 1>many different things that you can practice. And what we

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.920
<v Speaker 1>do is that when I am reading all this information,

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of the story that I want to tell,

0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Like how do these pieces fit together? How do I

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>hook Aaron at the beginning and the rest of our listeners,

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Like what is the interesting thing I'm going to lead with?

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.359
<v Speaker 1>And then how do I explain it after that. One

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest problems that scientists run into is using

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:15.080
<v Speaker 1>jargon or over using jargon, right. And it's really easy

0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:17.479
<v Speaker 1>to do that because that's what we've been trained in,

0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>these overly complex concepts that we spend so much time learning,

0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, you forget how you learn them. And to

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:29.439
<v Speaker 1>have that to be able to say something like hypoxia,

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.759
<v Speaker 1>call out, call out my husband John. That's a good

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>example to say hypoxia. There's a lot of information that

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:39.359
<v Speaker 1>goes into that one word, and it's a shortcut. And

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.799
<v Speaker 1>so jargon and these these complex concepts are shortcuts, and

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>we rely on those because they make communication more precise

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and clear in a scientific context, But when it comes

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to chatting with like the general audience, it's not it's

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 1>not helpful. And so when we're telling stories, you know,

0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>we have the almost like it's a it's an advantage

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of we're coming cross this information almost for the first

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.880
<v Speaker 1>time ourselves. So when I'm reading about the history of

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>hemochromatosis or neurovirus or something like that, I've never read

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:13.120
<v Speaker 1>about this before, or if I had, it's not been

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>as in depth, and so I'm learning it at the

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:18.160
<v Speaker 1>same time that I am thinking what I want to

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:21.120
<v Speaker 1>teach Aaron, right, And putting it in an order that

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to me makes sense, And so I think that's one

0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest helpful things, is just sort of keeping

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in check with myself, like, Okay, how am I reframing

0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>this in my own mind? And then how can I

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 1>use that then to teach Aaron?

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do a very similar thing. And I also

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I also use my husband a lot.

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, Brett.

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I will be like, can I just read this to you?

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me if this makes sense? And like

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:46.719
<v Speaker 2>check in with someone. So I think a lot of

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:50.240
<v Speaker 2>times it is practice, right, It's like practicing your story,

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.400
<v Speaker 2>bouncing ideas off of someone to make sure that something

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:55.160
<v Speaker 2>is clear or if there's a better way that you

0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:57.600
<v Speaker 2>can explain it, and just making sure that we're not

0:55:57.800 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 2>using jargon as much as.

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.879
<v Speaker 1>Possible, which I know I am guilty of a lot

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 1>of times we all are. It's like, and this is

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 1>not something so you know, this kind of answers the

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.439
<v Speaker 1>second question or goes into it. So recommending what would

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.760
<v Speaker 1>we recommend to scientists who wanted to get into sycom

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.839
<v Speaker 1>like podcasting is just like practicing at it and not

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>being too worried that you get it wrong, right, Like

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 1>because It takes a long time, but you have to

0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:24.280
<v Speaker 1>practice and you have to ask for feedback. You can't

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 1>just be like, go out in the world and start

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 1>doing science communication and not want to and not get

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>any feedback, because you need to know what things you

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 1>need to improve on and what things, what things are working,

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:38.080
<v Speaker 1>what things aren't working. And also, you know, I think

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.919
<v Speaker 1>this is an advice that we give in workshops, which

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 1>is just like, be intentional about all that you do,

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.799
<v Speaker 1>about the words that you're using, about the questions that

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you're getting, and about what you like about different forms

0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of SIcom you know what works for you, Who are

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 1>your favorite creators, why are they your favorite creators, what

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>are your favorite stories? Like all of this is just

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 1>being very intentional with your science communication.

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Leah would like to know, are there any specific

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:08.800
<v Speaker 2>areas of epidemiological research that you're excited to see evolve

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 2>and develop in the next few years or decades? So many,

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 2>so many. Yeah, in medicine, and I think this is

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 2>true in public health as well. I think that we

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 2>are really starting to understand how important communication and feedback

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and like things other than just diseuse metrics and stuff is.

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Like the human side.

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I guess of it all.

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so important, and so I think I

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 2>hope that that will continue to be something that people

0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 2>focus on and research and like the human impact of

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 2>all of these different chronic and acute illnesses that we

0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 2>see and how people like live with them and experience

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 2>them and things like that.

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a great I think that's a

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:56.439
<v Speaker 1>great answer. Online the online the internet is double edged

0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.040
<v Speaker 1>sword or like many edged sword. But I feel like

0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that has has been great is

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>raising awareness and sharing experiences that I think has highlighted

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:09.560
<v Speaker 1>some of the ways that medicine and science has failed, right,

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, failed patients, failed the general public, and how

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 1>we can do better at that. And I think that

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 1>there are you know, is it going to take time, Yes,

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 1>but I think that there are people who are really

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>invested in making this a better situation for everyone, because

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 1>we have to have everyone on the same page if

0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we don't want this rise in anti science. I feel

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like I'm lecturing, but like I feel very strongly also.

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Can I say, like universal health care in the US?

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Can I say that, I really really hope yes, But

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a thing, ye that we see soon.

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I would also like to add these AI and machine

0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>learning oh death, and like how that's going to help

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>just make sense of some of the patterns that we

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>may not see or help like things with drug discovery,

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>which we've already talked about a few times on the podcast.

0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there's so much potential there.

0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Talk about double edged sort that gonna have to be

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 2>careful but has a lot of potential. I know, like

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 2>so much, so much potential and woof.

0:59:07.240 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, with great technology comes great consequences responsibility. Yeah, yeah too.

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh this question is just the best. Okay, Okay, I

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 1>love this. Andrea and Eloise have asked and I'm a

0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 1>quote word for words. He's very cute. Yea quote. I

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:31.320
<v Speaker 1>listened to your podcast with my mom in my comfiest outfit,

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:35.479
<v Speaker 1>a homemade TPWK why shirt we tied eyed, my shark

0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Jammi's and comfy song.

0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I want and I.

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to know what's your comfy outfit. I'm not wearing

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it right now, I'm wearing jeans same.

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we chose this.

0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm sweating, sweating. My comfious outfit is just like, oh,

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 1>actually I have I just popped into my head, give

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:59.479
<v Speaker 1>it to me. This is so embarrassing. I full Kirkland gear. Yes,

0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I have my Kirkland branded sweatpants Kirkland signature. They're the

1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 1>gray version. They're the comfiest sweatpants I own. I wear

1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.440
<v Speaker 1>them as much as I possibly can. And my Costco

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:15.600
<v Speaker 1>embroidered sweatshirt that when I bought in Costco, the you know,

1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the person who was scanning me and like doing the

1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:20.720
<v Speaker 1>checkout was like, oh, yeah, everyone's buying these as white

1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>elephant gifts because who would want to own one of these?

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, is that what you're buying this for?

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, no, this one's for me, not sponsored, No,

1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>just genuinely love Costco and Kirkland branded gear wear. Oh

1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>my god, that's my comfiest outfit.

1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good comfious outfit. I don't think I

1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:50.240
<v Speaker 2>have one as specific. I can't top that erin, I don't.

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Have like a comfius T shirt, Like, what is your

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:53.120
<v Speaker 1>go to T shirt?

1:00:53.200 --> 1:00:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I think my go to Like the comfiest thing is

1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 2>when I steal one of my husband's T shirts.

1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure those are always mine.

1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So I one of his T shirts and

1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:03.960
<v Speaker 2>then like a pair of very loose Actually, I have

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:11.120
<v Speaker 2>this one pair of shorts that I They're like, I

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>could never wear them in anything remotely considered public because

1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:17.840
<v Speaker 2>they're just like very very small and very loose.

1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Are this someone's from your mom? No?

1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, Okay, No, I bought. I think

1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I bought these like right before I delivered my first

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<v Speaker 2>kid as like comfy clothes to wear postpartum, and just

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<v Speaker 2>like still wear them all the time. Also several pairs

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<v Speaker 2>of postpartum likings.

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<v Speaker 1>Although okay, anyways, Oh, I love that question though it's

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<v Speaker 1>a really good ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Elsie would like to know how many times has someone

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<v Speaker 2>commented or spoken to us and said that they were

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed after listening to an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this has been one of the most incredible

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll say it against surreal moments of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>where we do get emails, we get messages where people say,

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to this episode and it kind of resonated

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<v Speaker 1>with me in terms of my symptoms. So I went

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<v Speaker 1>talked to a doctor and I have this condition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's you know, it's several, it's any people. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a surprising number of people. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that is what has been so incredibly powerful, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It breaks my heart and fills my heart at the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same time, because I don't want anyone to have

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<v Speaker 2>to live with all of these things that we cover.

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<v Speaker 2>And I cannot believe how thankful I am, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>thankful is not the right word, but how grateful I

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<v Speaker 2>am that we were able to help somebody in that

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<v Speaker 2>way of being able to like be empowered with more

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<v Speaker 2>information and things like that, Like it's really.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the best parts of the job. That truly

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<v Speaker 2>And when people get their flu shots for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time after listening, yes, or like, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 2>check out my boosters, right, do I need my tea

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<v Speaker 2>Depp or so many of you who now are like

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<v Speaker 2>having careers in public health and epidemiology and science and medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I we read every.

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<v Speaker 2>Single one of those comments, you guys, and it we're

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<v Speaker 2>not doing a good job of explaining how incredible and

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<v Speaker 2>amazing it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're it's it's overwhelming, Yeah, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to articulate how.

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<v Speaker 2>How think how thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Like how it just I still cannot believe it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it still feels it feels not real. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there are times because Aaron and I record this well

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<v Speaker 1>most often in other places, and it's just us talking

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<v Speaker 1>to each other, right, it is just us talking to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, right. And occasionally we'll do you know, seminars

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<v Speaker 1>or keynotes or workshops or whatever, and it's like this

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, we have an audience, right, But for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, it still feels like it is just us.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then when we get these emails from people

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<v Speaker 1>all around the world, it is I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the words.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think we're doing a good job our

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<v Speaker 2>ticulating ourselves. But we are just so immensely grateful for

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of you listening. You don't understand the

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<v Speaker 2>impact that you have had in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We love it. Okay, well I'm going to cry, so

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<v Speaker 2>we should move on. Oh a fun one erin sure

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<v Speaker 2>Selena wants to know what is.

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<v Speaker 1>A book or movie that you wish you could read.

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<v Speaker 2>Or watch again for the first time. I have an

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<v Speaker 2>answer for this. I have read books in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I just haven't been able to read the last few

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<v Speaker 2>years because I just read papers like for the podcast. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Compass, Great Golden Compass, and like that whole trilogy

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<v Speaker 2>I reread every few years because I just love it

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<v Speaker 2>so much. And if I could experience that, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>third book, my heart being ripped out of my body

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time again, I would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, okay, okay, I just had to

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<v Speaker 1>take a full on computer break to worth it. We

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<v Speaker 1>want a true as you know, and I still I

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<v Speaker 1>still have like several I feel like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the two first. I like, I feel like Fingersmith

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sparrow, great books. Love those. Wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>read those again for the first time because of the

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<v Speaker 1>way it evolved throughout the narrative evolved throughout the book.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other book that I think I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could read again for the first time because it was

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<v Speaker 1>so surprising to me was Cloud at Lists.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay, I remember you telling me to read this, Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened was when and this might be now

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<v Speaker 1>spoiling it for like the experience for people, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want that, just skip ahead, like me thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds to a minute when I was in between my

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<v Speaker 1>undergrad and my masters and I was having to like,

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<v Speaker 1>do a bunch of microscope work in this neuroscience lab.

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<v Speaker 1>I would listen to books on CD back then, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah yourself a little bit. Oh yeah. And I

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<v Speaker 1>picked out Cloud Outless because the cover looked interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew nothing about it, didn't have good reads back then,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just popped in the first CD. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the end of the first CD, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>end of Disc one, switched to Disc too. I put

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<v Speaker 1>in Disc Too, and I was like, oh, are you

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<v Speaker 1>kidding me? Somebody scratched up the entire CD. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a totally different narrator, totally different story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't understand what is going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I have nothing else, so I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>go with it. And it turns out that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way the book is. It breaks off abruptly in between chapters.

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<v Speaker 1>And that made the entire experience, not going into it

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that made the entire experience so much more compelling

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<v Speaker 1>and surprising. And I you know how I hate spoilers

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything, well, not more than anything else, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're one of my biggest pet peeves on this earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying that there's a twist in a book is a spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>I stand very firmly in that, you know, that's my

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<v Speaker 1>very strong position. Yeah, and so this has also made

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<v Speaker 1>me realize how much not knowing something about a book

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<v Speaker 1>or a movie or a TV show, that's that's my

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<v Speaker 1>preferred state of being right before I you know, partaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right shares it. It shapes the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh so that was a very long answer, but

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to give context. No, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that too, when you don't know anything about

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Aaron, Yeah, I this is such a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Kiara wants to know if we could have only one

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<v Speaker 1>type of sandwich for the rest of our lives, what

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<v Speaker 1>sandwich would you pick?

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<v Speaker 2>And why? This is a very difficult question for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's not hard for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, got, cut it back, Go go Italian sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>with like provolone, you know, pickled maybe like jardonara on

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<v Speaker 1>their vinegar, just like cured meats, pickled vegetables, melted cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this only feels difficult to me because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like my answer is very boring and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I should have a sexier answer. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that my if I go to my heart of hearts,

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<v Speaker 2>my answer is the sandwich that I wanted so badly

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<v Speaker 2>both times that I was pregnant and I was like

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<v Speaker 2>terrified of listerious so I wasn't eating any lunch meat,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is turkey sandwich on sourdough bread or like

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<v Speaker 2>something similar with like I don't know, a cheddar cheese,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of mayo. I don't need bacon on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some avocado would be great, some lettuce that's crunchy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care that much about tomatoes. Plus or minus. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a it's a turkey sandwich. Is a boring turkey sandwich?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Is an Italian sandwich sexy? It feels like it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>with like jardinia and like some peppers like ooh ooh

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<v Speaker 1>you know No I love a turkey sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah I do too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, I love this question because like we've been we've

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<v Speaker 1>been reviewing these questions as they've come in, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this I feel like has generated a lot of conversation

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Yes the podcast, see it's the other great answer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think anyone has said like a meatball

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<v Speaker 2>sub yet. Know what about grilled cheese. Ooh, I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>about grilled cheese. That would be my kid's answer for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but then there's pep and j Right, I'm okay

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<v Speaker 2>with not eating pep and ja. Ever again, I had

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<v Speaker 2>so much during fieldwork that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Am okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thinks Shira would like to know. What is something

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that each respective Aaron doesn't know about the other.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know we have anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know, like especially something interesting. Thing is

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing interesting about me. I'm like, I own this

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<v Speaker 1>many pairs of socks, Like you don't know how many

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<v Speaker 1>pairs of socks I own.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not I know that you wont know way

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<v Speaker 2>too many pairs of socks, is what I know about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I love I'm gonna shout out dark dart, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think here's the thing, is, like we know everything there

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<v Speaker 2>is to know about each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron loves weird flavors like grape it's delicious so gross, Nerds,

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<v Speaker 2>ropes and nerds, jelly oh God, nerds.

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<v Speaker 1>Jelly beans need to go off of the shelves because

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<v Speaker 1>it is a problem. I love them. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, yeah, okay, So next question, Heather would like to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this is similar speaking of nerds ropes. Yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>desserts do you like? And I would love it if

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<v Speaker 2>we got to eat them at Mile High API C conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, I love this year and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you have great answers for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I love almost every dessert. Yes, I love let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>I love cheesecake. I love a chocolate dessert. I love

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<v Speaker 2>almost any kind of pie. I love cream pies.

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<v Speaker 1>I love fruit pies, fruit pies a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Less than cream pies, if I'm being honest, chocolate pies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny is I don't love a cake,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will always eat a cake.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't love a cake? Nope, I don't love a cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you including cheesecake in that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, cheesecake is separate.

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<v Speaker 1>Is cheesecake a cake?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but cheesecake is not cake. It's not okay, Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 2>this is good. Yeah, Like I'm talking like a layer cake,

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<v Speaker 2>like a cupcake cake. You know that's a different than

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<v Speaker 2>a cheesecake. All right, I love cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a dessert. So those are your favorite desserts.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a long Listen. Favorite is a strong word, like

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<v Speaker 2>you were saying about books. That's how I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>to share it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a question, is I don't have good reads for desserts?

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<v Speaker 1>But you could say, maybe, all right, if is there

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<v Speaker 1>a dessert where if you saw like a table of desserts,

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<v Speaker 1>you would be like, no, I'm okay if even if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only dessert on the table, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like, is there a dessert that I would reject?

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<v Speaker 2>Or like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Style of donut we'll say, you know, like that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, especially not donut. I love donuts. I don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>think that there is, and it's to a fault, like

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<v Speaker 2>even maybe the like cruddiest of like conference cookie, you

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<v Speaker 2>know the ones.

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<v Speaker 1>The ones that have like let sugar cookies with the frosting,

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<v Speaker 1>or like.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like a you're at a conference at like a

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<v Speaker 2>cruddy hotel and they bring out the like tray of

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<v Speaker 2>cookies and you can tell that they're like meally, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about. No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone out there does that Those might be the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing that if I were super full, I wouldn't eat.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like a cookie okay, that doesn't look like a

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<v Speaker 2>good cookie. Okay, But otherwise all those little like not

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<v Speaker 2>I would eat most desserts.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Yeah, what is your favorite ice cream flavor?

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<v Speaker 1>If you could have one ice cream flavor? I love?

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<v Speaker 1>This is my favorite type of question, if you could

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<v Speaker 1>have one ice cream flavor, one sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>Because here's the thing, is you like these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hypothetical questions and I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to happen. I know it will be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to have whatever ice cream you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Dressful I I don't. I don't have an answer to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love.

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<v Speaker 2>I love ice cream so much. I can't pick one flavor. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine to have to I'm stressed out. George would

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<v Speaker 2>like to know are there any episodes that we'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to revisit, re record, add on to, or go back

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<v Speaker 2>and connect more explicitly to episodes that we recorded later.

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<v Speaker 1>Question. That's a doozy of a question, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the short answer is yes, Yes. I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>be really interesting to approach well, to approach some of

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<v Speaker 1>the diseases we've already covered, particularly in the earlier early

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<v Speaker 1>episode seasons. Yeah, from a different perspective, Yeah, like from

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<v Speaker 1>more of a either, like from a the like I

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<v Speaker 1>would like I would love to do a germ theory

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<v Speaker 1>episode where it's like, what are the actual steps instead

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<v Speaker 1>of just like and everyone knows germ theory happened, then

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron, we could still do that could okay, like we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't cover and we've talked about germ theory.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I would also love to

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<v Speaker 1>revisit in more depth some of the ones that we did,

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like there are so many stories that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's true of so many I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was what was fun about re kind of redoing Influenza,

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<v Speaker 2>our very first episode, right because yeah, especially in our

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<v Speaker 2>early season, we just know how much we left out

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't know what we were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what we're doing, but yeah, I think just

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<v Speaker 1>different perspectives of things, and I feel like we've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing that more like the history of the stethoscope or

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<v Speaker 1>what is a fever? Stuff like that, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take this and then spin it a little differently

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just our usual format, and I've been really

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<v Speaker 1>having it it's with That would be really fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, Thank you for that. Gank Taren would like

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<v Speaker 1>to know what our favorite thing is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>learned recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to steal yours that you taught me earlier today.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, But did you know.

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<v Speaker 2>That cows can swim? Aaron just taught me this as

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<v Speaker 2>we were reading through these questions and showed me a

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<v Speaker 2>video of cows like jumping off of both.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That was the most surprising part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>that they left off of the no alsitation A cow

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<v Speaker 1>a cow like a regular looking cow, A beautiful looking cow.

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<v Speaker 1>I am to an island.

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<v Speaker 2>To grace it did not the way they went underwater

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<v Speaker 2>and came back up. Wow, I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were real nervous the first cow leap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not well.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the two leapt off at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, how's that gonna go?

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<v Speaker 1>Great? They were fine. Yeah, that is one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite things. Yes, that's what I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, we have a couple of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>We're almost done. We only have a couple of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Lest Yes, Sydney and Carol would both like to know

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<v Speaker 2>will we do any live shows or have we ever

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<v Speaker 2>thought of going on tour or doing more seminars?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, definitely yes to the seminars and workshops, I

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<v Speaker 1>come workshops and putting those together to try to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like basically take what we have learned this bizarre podcast

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<v Speaker 1>experience that was totally unexpected and helped teach other people

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<v Speaker 1>to work on their pyecom skills. So totally absolutely, seminars

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera live show tour would be really fuck what

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<v Speaker 1>would you all want them? Let us know? It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>really nerve wrecking? Does sound nerve wracking? Like we're not performers,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we got into this because we're scientists. Even right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're sweating and we're like just in a room with

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<v Speaker 1>each other.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just nervous, sweating this whole entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, yeah, but we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was a question earlier about like what's

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<v Speaker 2>your hopes for the future, And I am really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been trying working really hard on kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>expanding all that we have learned about science communication into

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<v Speaker 2>these like workshops and seminars that I'm like super excited

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<v Speaker 2>about moving forward. So yeah, if you have an organization

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<v Speaker 2>or are part of a university or whatever and you're interested,

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to our tech page on this podcast. We

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<v Speaker 2>till You dot com we would love to come talk totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we have one last question. Oh my gosh, this

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<v Speaker 1>has been really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, better than I expected, even though I'm nervous sweating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous sweating, but also it's just felt really good,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, I know, to talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of these things, especially the three course meal versus that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>last question. My last question comes from Casey, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is what are you most proud of about the podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Every one of you listening? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I sometimes feel ridiculous just how proud I feel

1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of this podcast. Me too, Like I love so much

1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that we are able to keep doing this, And it

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred percent because of every person listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it is. I mean I can't I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>add any to that, like that is it is all

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<v Speaker 1>of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we be proud of you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>We are?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh yeah? Oh wow, this was fun here, This was

1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:23.599
<v Speaker 1>really fun. Yeah, I loved it. I love doing this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, forever, Aaron. No, I have a second thing I'm

1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:29.800
<v Speaker 2>really proud of. Oh actually this is really important. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you do, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I can I guess what you're about to say,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that we're still really good friends throughout this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We get to be best friends still. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that. So when this was part of the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation that we had when you decided to do this

1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:48.120
<v Speaker 2>podcast full time, it's like we knew that that was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be very stressful and a lot like okay,

1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:53.760
<v Speaker 2>now we're business partners, yeah, and we knew that that

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be really hard and stressful, and we said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if we are going to do this, our first priority

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<v Speaker 2>has to be that we stay friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we did. We did.

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<v Speaker 2>We just spent how many days like together non stop?

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<v Speaker 2>And I still love you.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so cute. We should stop now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah all right, Yeah, I mean I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>to end this other than like thank you all again.

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<v Speaker 2>And sorry that we didn't get to every single question.

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<v Speaker 2>There were so many great ones. Thank you all again

1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>for so many of your questions. Thank you for all

1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of the kind messages that you wrote. Yes, yeah, we said,

1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:39.680
<v Speaker 2>it means the world so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does, and we also appreciate you like yeah, yes,

1:19:44.479 --> 1:19:47.360
<v Speaker 1>letting us keep doing this, Yeah, writing to us about

1:19:47.400 --> 1:19:50.040
<v Speaker 1>other things other than questions. Like, we love getting emails

1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:53.720
<v Speaker 1>from you, messages from you. Yeah, yeah, we should. We

1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:55.360
<v Speaker 1>need to, We need to cut ourselves. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you also to Bloodmobile for providing the music for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, every single one of our episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to Leana Sculacci and Tom Bryfogel for all

1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the incredible audio mixing.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't do it without yet. Thank you to everyone at

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly Right Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to you listeners. We've said it a million times,

1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:15.040
<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna say it again. Thank you, thank you, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, and a special shout out as always to our patrons.

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<v Speaker 2>Your support means the world to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally wow. Well, until next time, wash your hands you

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<v Speaker 1>feel the animals