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Speaker 2: little bit different with the twelve team college football playoff.

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Speaker 2: Obviously different stakes, but I'll say this is that as

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Speaker 2: we entered this twelve team playoff era, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: would we still have debates come this night of the year.

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Speaker 2: I think we got some interesting things to talk about.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just keeping everybody updated on the big

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Speaker 2: games that are still going on. I noticed Segre just

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Speaker 2: told you. But in in Indianapolis, Penn State is in

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Speaker 2: the red zone. They trail in this game. It is

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Speaker 2: still the third quarter. They trail twenty or they just

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Speaker 2: started the fourth excuse me, thirty eight to twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Oregon is up, so Penn State is driving. And then

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Speaker 2: in the other big game, cleansing up thirty one to

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Speaker 2: twenty one on SMU J mart Man, How you.

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Speaker 1: Doing pretty good? Pretty good? Yeah, I do think there's

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Speaker 1: some interesting things to talk about. And I've got my eye,

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Speaker 1: of course on the ACC game, and I think I

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Speaker 1: don't know where we're gonna lead, so we'll get there.

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Speaker 1: But there's there's something coming out of this game depending

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Speaker 1: on how it finishes. And I don't necessarily mean the

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Speaker 1: win or the loss, but how it looks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Let's just dive in right there,

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Speaker 2: because this was the big really basically the only place

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Speaker 2: that appears to be any sort of I guess debate

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Speaker 2: would be the right word. Is We think, and you

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Speaker 2: and I discussed this last week, but we think eleven

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Speaker 2: playoff spots are essentially clinched. We think the five conference champions,

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Speaker 2: so the ACC, Big Twelve, Big Ten, SEC, and Mountain West.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Boise won the Mountain West, Arizona State won the

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Speaker 2: Big twelve on and on at Georgia wins the SEC.

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Speaker 2: We think that those spots are clinched, or we know

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Speaker 2: those spots are clinched. We are almost certain the Big

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Speaker 2: ten runner up, by the way, Penn State has punched

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Speaker 2: the ball into the end zone, so it is thirty

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Speaker 2: eight to thirty extra point pending. But we believe that

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Speaker 2: the Big ten runner up, if it is Penn State

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Speaker 2: or Oregon, is definitively in. We believe the SEC runner up,

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Speaker 2: which is Texas, is in, although that's kind of an

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Speaker 2: interesting conversation. We believe that Indiana, Ohio State, Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: and also Tennessee have unofficially clinched at large spots. And

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Speaker 2: so for people who follow this sport, the big debate

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Speaker 2: was about the final spot. SMU comes into this game

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Speaker 2: rank number eight eleven to one overall. If they were

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Speaker 2: to lose this game, it would give Clemson the conference

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Speaker 2: championship in the ACC. And then the question becomes do

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Speaker 2: you put in an eleven and two Clemson or one

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Speaker 2: of the three loss SEC teams? And we assume that

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Speaker 2: three loss SEC team would be Alabama. The reason is

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Speaker 2: there are three teams in the SEC at nine and three,

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Speaker 2: and Alabama is the highest ranked in The committee essentially

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Speaker 2: coming into today is a nine and three Alabama versus

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Speaker 2: a potential eleven and two SMU, And as we open

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Speaker 2: this show Jmark, Clemson is up thirty one to twenty one.

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Speaker 2: If Clemson holds on, they will have clinched the automatic

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Speaker 2: bid out of the ACC again, the five highest ranked

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Speaker 2: to whip out any hot takes on the nine and

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Speaker 1: Jmart Well, I think again. I think it depends on

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Speaker 1: how this game finishes. This game was trend at halftime

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Speaker 1: like SMU was out in my opinion, and the reason

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Speaker 1: why is because, I mean, I understand they're eleven and

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Speaker 1: look they're fighting like they know they have to equate

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Speaker 1: YU buy a field goal, that's their lone loss. But

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Speaker 1: the committee than what happened to Alabama at Oklahoma? Because

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Speaker 1: the loss at Oklahoma was disgraceful for Alabama. That was

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Speaker 1: a horrible loss. It wasn't close. They got absolutely dominated

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Speaker 1: not losing to in that manner. So I think that

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Speaker 1: that might be the loan question here. But a lot

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Speaker 2: very interesting. And you know, obviously, look, none of us

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Speaker 2: think it becomes an interesting debate. You know, you heard

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Speaker 2: Rhet Lashley, the SMU head coach, was very outspoken this week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard the quote Jmart where

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Speaker 2: are we going to be punished if we don't win? Now?

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Speaker 2: I don't love kind of talking about what happens if

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Speaker 2: But I also understand his point that if that if

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Speaker 2: the conference championship game. Now, this is where it's gonna

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Speaker 2: get really interesting, j Mart, because I don't think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people have put two and two together yet.

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Speaker 2: If SMU loses this game, they will be eleven and

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Speaker 2: two with zero wins over any team currently ranked in

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Speaker 2: who else is eleven and two with zero wins over

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Speaker 2: long win Texas Texas. So the question becomes if your

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Speaker 2: and Texas's best win is probably last week at Texas

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Speaker 2: after falling A and four there's not really an argument

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Speaker 2: not saying that I necessarily disagree with you, because I

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Speaker 2: every platform and interview that I did is in you know, Listen,

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Speaker 2: I was on three hours ago with Monci and Steve

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Speaker 2: mart Hartman and we were talking about two loss SMU

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Speaker 2: really hit me until we were prepping for tonight's show

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Speaker 2: of like, oh wait a second, Texas actually doesn't have.

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Speaker 2: Texas has almost an identical resume, zero top twenty five

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Speaker 2: wins eleven and two ZHO and two against teams currently

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Speaker 2: an interesting talking point. Jmark, if you leave SMU out,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you could justifiably put Texas in.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? All right, so I understand that if we're just

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Speaker 1: just gonna read this to you from top to bottom. Nevada,

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Speaker 2: But let me jump in on that though. Let me

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Speaker 2: let me jump in on that though all you're doing

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Speaker 2: is the SEC bias thing, because here's Tessa No.

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Speaker 1: But but I do think they've earned the right here

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Speaker 1: to be said that they're a better top to bottom

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Speaker 2: I would agree that the conference is better top to bottom.

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Speaker 2: I just think that if you are going to purposefully

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Speaker 2: to bottom. But let's talk about about Texas's schedule. Colorado State, Michigan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Big, gets better.

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Speaker 2: Now Michigan gets better. It's still on the top twenty

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Speaker 2: you would be arguing in that hype. What you're arguing

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Speaker 2: bias at that point, you're arguing the SEC is better

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Speaker 2: because we all I think it's better. Now, I tend

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Speaker 2: to agree. I think the SEC is the best conference

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Speaker 2: top to bottom in college football. But I just I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think it is going to make for an interesting point.

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Speaker 2: And I think that this will be if if the

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Speaker 2: media that covers this stuff is honest over the next

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Speaker 2: twelve hours, and if SMU does not hold on to

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Speaker 2: win this game, and SMU is trailing thirty one to

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Speaker 2: is nothing on Texas's resume that it makes them more

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Speaker 2: worthy than SMU other than that they started higher in

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Speaker 2: the rankings. They were number two coming into today, SMU

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Speaker 2: is number eight. And then also that there is brand

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the problem here is you get into hypotheticals.

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Speaker 1: If Texas played SMU schedule, what would their record be.

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Speaker 1: The hypothetical would say they probab would be undefeated. Right now.

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Speaker 1: You put SMU at Texas's schedule against even though they

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Speaker 1: time that they played them, Texas had five ranked opponents.

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Speaker 1: with well, they lost Ole Miss, so how do you

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Speaker 1: put the men over Old Miss? Well, Ole Miss's other

435
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Speaker 1: losses are worse. All of that, like, these teams continually

436
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Speaker 1: beat each other. And so that's what makes college football

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Speaker 1: both phenomenal and infuriating because it's you could make arguments

438
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Speaker 1: in so many different directions, and then we just have

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Speaker 1: to look at a group of people and say, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: this is what they decided, and we're gonna find out

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Speaker 1: tomorrow exactly what that looks like. But we kind of

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Speaker 1: already know. It's just a matter of in what order

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Speaker 1: is everything gonna go, Who's gonna play home, who's gonna

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Speaker 1: play away? I mean, I thought there was at least

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Speaker 1: an argument that looks like we're not gonna have between

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Speaker 1: Ohio State having to go on the road or not.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like they're gonna get a home game,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that that. I'm not sure they

449
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Speaker 1: dropped as far as maybe they should have last week,

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Speaker 1: So I think that there's some question marks surrounding that.

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Speaker 1: But in a perfect world, South Carolina would still be

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Speaker 1: part of a discussion we could have tonight where there's

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Speaker 1: still a future for them tomorrow. But in this sport,

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Speaker 1: nothing is perfect. When it comes to the ranking system.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I'll say, I don't know what that fix is,

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Speaker 2: but it is a shocking that we have a scenario

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Speaker 2: where basically anyone that's not playing this weekend cannot move up.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, though, we're ready to just throw

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Speaker 2: dirt on SMU's grave and it might be little way

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Speaker 2: back and win. Well, it might be a little presumptuous,

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Speaker 2: So let's get it over the news desk. Steve de Sayerger.

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Speaker 2: You talk about an update, Get America updated on what's

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Speaker 2: going on in Charlotte right now.

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Speaker 5: And don't forget the dirt on the Penn State grave.

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Speaker 5: They just scored with under four minutes to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're I'm impressed by Penn State putting up thirty plus.

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Speaker 1: I know anytime that it happened, especially.

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Speaker 2: Against it gets the real team.

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Speaker 5: You know, as soon as we had the highest scoring

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Speaker 5: Big Ten Final ever in the first half, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I thought, oh, wait, so you're telling me that Iowa

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Speaker 5: was not in the Big Ten championship.

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Speaker 2: Thankfully?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Penn State's program I noticed from ap

476
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Speaker 5: well represented in this debt since the year two thousand

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Speaker 5: records worst records for a coach against a top five

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Speaker 5: opponent Joe Paterno, oh and seven James Franklin, oh and eleven?

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, since two thousands. Uh yeah, Penn State's.

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Speaker 2: Definitely the only thing in Joe Paterno's legacy that there

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Speaker 2: is Oh sorry, sorry, sorry, not right now, not right now,

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Speaker 2: not right now.

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Speaker 1: Do you realize that there's some problems in that legacy

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Speaker 1: when you think, now you know what he'd be talking about.

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Speaker 2: Definitely the only thing that we have to talk about

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Joe Paterno towards the end of

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Speaker 2: his career.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 5: Well, we almost almost went off the rails with the

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Speaker 5: show here in the first hour.

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Speaker 1: We're not done. There's still time.

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Speaker 5: My goodness. Number one Oregon it's now leading forty five

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Speaker 5: thirty seven over a third rank Penn State is the

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Speaker 5: nitty Lions have just scored with under four minutes to

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Speaker 5: go in the Big Ten title game in Indianapolis. And finally,

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Speaker 5: eighth ranked SMU has showed in the second half. They

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Speaker 5: were trailing Clemson in this game twenty four to seven

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Speaker 5: at halftime, but had a good drive early third quarter.

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Speaker 5: Starting the second half, they've outscored Clemson ten to nothing

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Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter two minute warning.

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Speaker 2: I can call it that.

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Speaker 5: Clemson leads thirty one twenty four over SMU in the

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Speaker 5: ACC title game and SMU has driven to about midfield.

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Speaker 5: Not over yet. Georgia in overtime beat number two Texas

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Speaker 5: for the SEC crown in Atlanta, twenty two to nineteen.

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Speaker 5: This was the first overtime in the thirty three year

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Speaker 5: history of the SEC title game. And keep in mind

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Speaker 5: that Georgia won in eight overtimes just last week against

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Speaker 5: Georgia Tech. So now the Texas Longhorns will be no

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Speaker 5: doubt hosting a first round playoff in two weeks, and

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Speaker 5: Georgia gets a first round by Arizona State won the

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Speaker 5: Big Twelve easily over Iowa State today to start things.

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Speaker 5: Forty five nineteen. Marshall won the Sun Belt. Ohio U

514
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Speaker 5: takes the Mac Conference. UCF is reportedly hiring Scott Frost

515
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Speaker 5: as head coach. Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy agreed to

516
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Speaker 5: a reduced contract. Seattle Seahawks running back Kenneth Walker is

517
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Speaker 5: out tomorrow with ankle and calf injuries as Seattle plays

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Speaker 5: at Arizona. The San Francisco Giants are signing shortstop Willie

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Speaker 5: Adamas to a reported seven year deal worth one hundred

520
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Speaker 5: and eighty two million dollars. In the NBA, Memphis won

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Speaker 5: at Boston tonight, one twenty seven, one twenty one. John

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Speaker 5: Morant thirty two points. Washington had lost sixteen games in

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Speaker 5: a row, but it beat Denver one twenty two to

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Speaker 5: one thirteen. Nikola Jokicic had fifty six points in the loss.

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Speaker 5: In DC Tonight, LA Galaxy won the MLS Cup Final,

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Speaker 5: and we've got a men's bout college basketball Top ten

527
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Speaker 5: matchup in Seattle with Gonzaga leading Kentucky sixty to fifty

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Speaker 5: seven with about ten minutes to go in the game.

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Speaker 5: Make it sixty two fifty seven for the zag Ex.

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Speaker 2: Back to you and they gets to the top twenty

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Speaker 2: five women's showdown.

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Speaker 5: There was Tennessee winning today in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Excuse you, our beloved Yukon hosty Fox game today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: our beloved Yukon Huskies are up by a quick mental

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Speaker 2: math by me, thirty six points. Yeah, they're they're you know,

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Speaker 2: they're they're like, thank you. They're the women's team of

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Speaker 2: tours and Martin, so we got to support them.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I did notice there was a women's

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Speaker 5: score today of eighty one to twenty eight. It is

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Speaker 5: Texas A and M Corpus Christi beat Dallas Christian, which

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Speaker 5: finished the game with seven baskets for fifty one from

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Speaker 5: the floor.

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Speaker 2: Not ideal.

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Speaker 1: Yikes.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much to Seger. That is

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Speaker 2: this That was to Sager. This is Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: eron towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tireck dot

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Speaker 2: Com studios should have mention. Rapid Radios are the official

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Speaker 2: off plus free shipping. I'll tell you what I think.

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00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: Our best bet right now is to come back and

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Speaker 2: react to the end of the Clemson SMU game. Clemson

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Speaker 2: up thirty one twenty four. Clemson driving. They are just

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Speaker 2: outside the red zone one twenty two driving. SMU is driving. Wow,

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Speaker 2: that would be a big mix up. SMU is trailing

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Speaker 2: by a touchdown. They are driving with one twenty two

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Speaker 2: to go. We will come back. We will re act

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Speaker 2: to the end of this game. SMU trying to clinch

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Speaker 2: a playoff spot. Both teams will get in with a win,

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Speaker 2: Clemson out. With the loss SMU, their resume would very

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Speaker 2: much be up for debate. So we will discuss the

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Speaker 2: ending of the acc Also, as de Seger said, the

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Speaker 2: big ten Uh is still midway through the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: As Oregon does have a lead, We'll come back. We

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Speaker 2: will discuss the end of these two awesome, awesome games.

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Speaker 2: They both turn into pretty good games. That's next, foxport Trity.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio air Turus Jason mart and I said

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Speaker 2: it was one of the most fun shows that we

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Speaker 2: get to do every single year. Jason, and there is

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Speaker 2: no doubt that tonight is delivering. SMU, which trailed thirty

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Speaker 2: one to fourteen going into the fourth quarter, has just

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Speaker 2: scored a touchdown with sixteen seconds lest left to tie

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Speaker 2: the game at thirty one thirty one. They did make

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Speaker 2: the extra point barring something stunning. We are headed to

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Speaker 2: overtime in the ACC championship game. We know the stakes.

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Speaker 2: Clemson needs to win this game to get in SMU

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Speaker 2: of course could still get in that large bid if

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Speaker 2: they were to lose this game. But they've scored what's

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Speaker 2: seventeen unanswered points, so they got all the momentum if

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Speaker 2: they can hold on for another sixteen seconds going into overtime,

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Speaker 2: and uh, what a game, What a comeback. SMU has

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Speaker 2: tied the game with sixteen seconds to google.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and say this right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know we're gonna go because you're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Have an interesting other take. I think Bama's out. Ooh,

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Speaker 1: I think this is what you had to have. I

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Speaker 1: think that to make this a lesser argument. This is

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Speaker 1: why I said the next twelve minutes, win or loss

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Speaker 1: is gonna determine a lot because he did well, let

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Speaker 1: me say there, let me correct myself. Bama is out

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Speaker 1: if loses.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair, and I know that's what you're saying, just

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Speaker 2: to make sure that everybody gets that part.

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Speaker 1: But SMU, now, because of how they fought and how

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Speaker 1: they put themselves in position to win this football game

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Speaker 1: as supposed to get, what they could not do is

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Speaker 1: get blown out. They just could not get blown out

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Speaker 1: in this situation and the fact that they have not

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Speaker 1: even if they lose at this point, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can keep a two loss SMU team out that

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Speaker 1: has done this. Now, I'm gonna throw something else really

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Speaker 1: strange at you. I was just thinking about this during

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Speaker 1: the break before the touchdown happened, but certainly after it.

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Speaker 1: I would have gone for two oh.

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Speaker 2: I just said that to producer Ian.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, because I think it would be

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Speaker 1: hard to penalize me if I'm SMU and I just

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Speaker 1: don't get the two point conversion, but I go for

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Speaker 1: the win right there, as opposed to whatever is going

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Speaker 1: to happen in overtime. I think by and large, in

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Speaker 1: a scenario like that, we're all gonna have both simples.

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Speaker 1: And also, yeah, at a boy way to go for

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Speaker 1: the win, I think that actually would be a better

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Speaker 1: loss than if you were to lose in overtime. So

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Speaker 1: I would have risked it right there to go for

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Speaker 1: it all because one, obviously, if you get it, then

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Speaker 1: you're in, but even if you don't, I actually think

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Speaker 1: it makes a better argument than a potential loss in overtime,

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Speaker 1: and so many things can.

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Speaker 2: Happen, so it's funny. I actually said that the producer

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Speaker 2: ian as well. During the break, I said, I think

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Speaker 2: SMU should go for two. Clemson, by the way, has

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Speaker 2: just crossed the fifty. They're right around field goal range.

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Speaker 2: They have taken a time out, so we will see

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Speaker 2: if Clemson. I'm not great at the field goal math here,

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Speaker 2: but by the way, I should mention Oregon is closing

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Speaker 2: out obviously, what is his first ever Big Ten title.

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Speaker 2: They have taken a knee they beat Penn State forty

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Speaker 2: five to thirty seven. Jamar, We got two more hours

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Speaker 2: to break down that game. But what is interesting now

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Speaker 2: Clemson is lining up for a field goal. There are

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Speaker 2: three seconds left. This is why de Seger's a pro.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I need your Rubik's cube

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Speaker 2: and calculator and advocates because I am not great at

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Speaker 2: field goal mass. So fifty six yards. You said to say,

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Speaker 2: or give or take? Give or take? Yeah, so give

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Speaker 2: or take again? Setting up the situation. SMU trailed by

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Speaker 2: seventeen points coming into the fourth quarter and Jmark, by

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Speaker 2: the way, if they make this field goal, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a big conversation about going for two there. But

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Speaker 2: I bring it up because they trailed by seventeen. They

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Speaker 2: scored with seven with sixteen seconds to go. Clemson got

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Speaker 2: the ball out to about the thirty five forty yard line.

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Speaker 2: On the kickoff, there was a completion. It has set

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Speaker 2: up a fifty six yard field goal with three seconds left.

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Speaker 2: If Clemson went hits this, they're going to the College

652
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Speaker 2: Football Playoff. We can't do play by play, but Clemson

653
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Speaker 2: has just hit a fifty six yard field goal as

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Speaker 2: time expired. Let me set this up again. SMU trailed

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Speaker 2: by seventeen points going into the fourth quarter. SMU rallied

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Speaker 2: to tie the game at thirty one with sixteen seconds left. Clemson,

657
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Speaker 2: on the next kickoff, returns it to about the forty

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Speaker 2: yard line. There is a completion that sets up a

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Speaker 2: fifty six or so yard field goal, and Clemson has

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Speaker 2: hit it. As time expires. It ends up being in total.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for the final here, but it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 2: The bottom line is the field goal is good. Clemson

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Speaker 2: has won the ACC Clemson is going to the College

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Speaker 2: Football Playoff. Jmar We got all of our two and

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Speaker 2: three to talk about SMU versus the field. But how

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Speaker 2: about Clemson. They had a seventeen point lead, gave it up,

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Speaker 2: and end up winning as time expires.

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Speaker 1: Remember I said I didn't want to see them in

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Speaker 1: the College Football Player.

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Speaker 2: He sure did that, You sure did.

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Speaker 1: I still don't like I hate that, I really do,

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Speaker 1: But I'm sticking by what I said. I could turn

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Speaker 1: out to be wrong. I understand big brand and all

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Speaker 1: this number. I do not think an SMU team that

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Speaker 1: fought back and got beat by a fifty six yard

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Speaker 1: field goal is going to be left out of the

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Speaker 1: field for a three loss Alabama team that lost to

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma and lost to Vanderbilt. I just don't I believe

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Speaker 1: that that kick right there just cost Alabama a trip

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Speaker 1: to the playoff.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's wrong. I don't think it's wrong.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I think if SMU does not get.

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Speaker 1: In, they got a big argument.

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Speaker 2: Actually they do. And again to set this up for

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Speaker 2: people who don't follow college football on a day to

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Speaker 2: day basis, SMU argued all week they were ranked number

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Speaker 2: eight coming in. I see Dabo, by the way, pointing

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Speaker 2: at the SMU sidelines. We don't have audio. I guarantee

689
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Speaker 2: Dabo is saying that team is a college football playoff team.

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Speaker 2: He's fighting for his league, as he should. But SMU

691
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Speaker 2: all week in the ACC office all week argued, why

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Speaker 2: are we playing a conference championship game if the result

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Speaker 2: does not help us? If the result is only going

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Speaker 2: to hurt us? In other words, if SMU is knocked

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Speaker 2: out by playing an extra game and Jmart listen, I

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Speaker 2: don't think people have figured this out yet, but I

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Speaker 2: will argue, and I truly believe it. I think the

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Speaker 2: eye test Texas versus SMU Texas has more NFL guys.

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Speaker 2: They got more this, they got more of that, but

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Speaker 2: they have a nearly identical resume. And we don't have

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Speaker 2: to get caught up on this point because Texas is

702
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Speaker 2: not going to get left out. But there really is

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Speaker 2: no argument other than I test in advanced analytics that

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Speaker 2: say that Texas should be in because again SMU eleven

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Speaker 2: and two, Texas eleven and two, neither team being a

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Speaker 2: top twenty five team. It's going to set up for

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Speaker 2: a fascinating day tomorrow. But I do tend to agree

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Speaker 2: with you because of the manner in which this game ended,

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Speaker 2: Because SMU was right down to literally the last seconds

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Speaker 2: in position to potentially win this game, I think it's

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Speaker 2: very hard to argue that SMU should be penalized for

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Speaker 2: playing in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I do, And I think I even

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Speaker 1: said this last week, like if if they get left out,

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Speaker 1: the next team that's in this same position should forfeit

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Speaker 1: the championship game to say they should dare it. They

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Speaker 1: should at least put that on the table and say

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Speaker 1: we're just not going to show up. We'll take whatever

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Speaker 1: fine the conference wants to give us or whatever like that,

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Speaker 1: We're just not going to show up. It's not like

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Speaker 1: a zero want an exam that recks your entire GPA,

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Speaker 1: especially when it's human beings that are making the decisions. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to play the game, Well, I kind

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Speaker 1: of understand, because what did they have to gain from it?

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Speaker 1: Like you have the automatic end, but they were already

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Speaker 1: in prior. I think that all of what has led

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Speaker 1: to this has to matter. And when you look at again,

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Speaker 1: if SMU had gotten blown out of this game, I

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Speaker 1: think we have a different discussion. I know that's weird

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Speaker 1: because I'm still arguing that this game shouldn't hurt them,

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, the way that they fought

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Speaker 1: that changes it, because this second loss is not as

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Speaker 1: bad as otherwise would have been. Even if this game

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Speaker 1: had gone to overtime, which it might have, that would

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Speaker 1: have been identical to what happened to Texas. Texas took

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Speaker 1: Georgia to overtime and then lost to Georgia in overtime.

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Speaker 1: If the same exact thing had happened to SMU and Clemson,

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Speaker 1: the only difference would be that Georgia drub Clemson. So

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Speaker 1: george is a better loss than Clemson is. But I

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Speaker 1: think the problem for Alabama is they've got two losses

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Speaker 1: that aren't particularly good.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't see don't I don't see a

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Speaker 1: universe where college football wants to open this kind of

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Speaker 1: a can of worms. The easy decision, the one that's

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Speaker 1: only really going to upset Alabama fans, is going to

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Speaker 1: be putting SMU in. I think that most of the

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Speaker 1: country will look at this and say SMU should be in.

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Speaker 1: Even if most people don't want to see Jaylen Milroe

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Speaker 1: against their team in the college football playoff, the season

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Speaker 1: has to matter. And I think because of that, and

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Speaker 1: because this got so close in the end and SMU

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Speaker 1: didn't get beaten by thirty and a newly came back

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Speaker 1: and won this football game, I think that you got

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Speaker 1: to put them in, and I think they will be

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Speaker 1: so I.

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Speaker 2: Agree with you, and I think the big point and

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Speaker 2: we got two more hours to talk about this. We're

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Speaker 2: taking you up till two am Eastern time, and I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to talk a lot of college football

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Speaker 2: over the next two hours. But I think the last

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Speaker 2: point you made, or one of the points you made,

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Speaker 2: is as important as anything. If Alabama had a bunch

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Speaker 2: of great losses in other words, they lost to Georgia,

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Speaker 2: and they lost to this team, and they lost to

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Speaker 2: that team, and they had no bad losses. That would

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Speaker 2: be one thing. But you have two losses to two

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Speaker 2: six and six teams on the road, and I think

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Speaker 2: that will matter because it's not just that you're nine

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Speaker 2: to three. It's not just that, yes, you have that

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Speaker 2: great win against Georgia. Missouri is a top twenty five win,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. South Carolina is as well, but

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Speaker 2: you have some bad losses on that resume. As you said,

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Speaker 2: jmrt SMU had to play well. SMU of course would

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Speaker 2: be punished for playing that conference championship game. And so

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Speaker 2: we got two hours to discuss it. But I think

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Speaker 2: the committee is going to make that decision. I think

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Speaker 2: there's a broader conversation have we'll discuss that next. Er

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Speaker 2: Tords Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: We have two conference championship finals just within the last minute,

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Speaker 2: couple minutes. De Seger just told you. But Oregon does

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Speaker 2: beat Penn State forty five to thirty seven and clinch

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten title. Oregon almost certainly has clinched the

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Speaker 2: number one seed in the college football playoff and the

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Speaker 2: game that will determine a lot of talking points. On Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Clemson beats SMU thirty four to thirty one on a

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Speaker 2: wall off field goal. Clemson led thirty one to fourteen

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Speaker 2: going into the fourth quarter, seventeen unanswered points for SMU,

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Speaker 2: including a touchdown to tie the game with sixteen seconds

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Speaker 2: to go. A kickoff was returned to about the forty

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Speaker 2: yard line and from there the forty five yard line.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, one kid Klubnik pass sets

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Speaker 2: up a fifty six yard field goal. Clemson wins a

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Speaker 2: walk off, and now Jmart we get to have the

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Speaker 2: debate that everybody's gonna have over the next twelve hours.

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Speaker 2: Join us. If you are just joining us, we got

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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about SMU versus Alabama. We assume

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Speaker 2: it's the final spot. I'll reset the playoff standings. By

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Speaker 2: the way, Ryan Fowler will join us in about twenty

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Speaker 2: minutes from now. But again, the five conference champions are

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Speaker 2: in in some order, Oregon Big ten Champ, Georgia SEC Champ,

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Speaker 2: ACC champ, Clemson gets in even with three losses, Boise

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Speaker 2: Is the Mountain West Champ, Arizona State as the Big

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Speaker 2: twelve champ. We believe that six of these seven at

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Speaker 2: large spots are already spoken for SEC runner up, Texas,

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Speaker 2: Big Ten runner up, Penn State, Ohio State, Indiana, Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: and Tennessee, which means SMU at eleven and two overall

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Speaker 2: as the ACC runner up. And again, Jay Martin, I

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Speaker 2: know I'm going along here, but I just want to

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Speaker 2: give everybody context. SMU runner up in the ACC eleven

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Speaker 2: and two zero to two against ranked teams. Their only

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Speaker 2: regular season loss was to BYU, and of course they

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Speaker 2: lost tonight to Clemson. Or nine and three Alabama, which

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Speaker 2: has three wins, including one over the SEC champ, that

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Speaker 2: are in the top twenty five that Georgia win at home,

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Speaker 2: but they also have three losses, including two to unranked teams.

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Speaker 2: Jay mart you're the one man Playoff Committee. What are

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Speaker 2: you thinking, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is nightmare of fuel if you're a Bama fan,

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Speaker 1: because well here from one thing, yeah exactly, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be fascinating. I really want to

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Speaker 1: hear for somebody that's right down there in the thick

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Speaker 1: of that that's heard this debate all week long and

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Speaker 1: is going to have to listen to Alabama fans on

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Speaker 1: Monday when I think they're going to be left out.

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Speaker 1: If SMU got blown out, we would have a different

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Speaker 1: discussion here, but they didn't. They fought back and lost

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Speaker 1: to a fifty six yard field goal, you know, as

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Speaker 1: time expired to Clemson in a conference championship game, a

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Speaker 1: game that they played that Alabama didn't have to play

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Speaker 1: in because Alabama didn't qualify to play in it. How

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Speaker 1: much money are these conference championship games bringing in? Do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 2: I can't even speculate, To be honest.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying about an amount, but a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, bringing an ad revenue and all those kinds

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Speaker 1: of things. So if you want me to put on

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy hat for a second, if you want to

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Speaker 1: preserve those games at all, you better put SMU in

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Speaker 1: because if you actually and I agree with rhet lashly,

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Speaker 1: they were in, they were number eight, they were in

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Speaker 1: as of before the game was played. So if the

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Speaker 1: only thing that they could do is lose an extra

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Speaker 1: game and then that somehow makes them not as good

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Speaker 1: now as you thought they were before. It's like I

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Speaker 1: heard Sean McDonough say this actually during a commercial break

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Speaker 1: which they were kind of talking about it. McDonald was like,

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Speaker 1: I think they should be into twelve and McElroy was

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Speaker 1: trying not to say it, obviously because I a'labamatize, but

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Speaker 1: I think I think it is heart of hearts. Team

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Speaker 1: may agree, but I think if you basically suggest that,

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Speaker 1: then you have destroyed the conference championship game. Agree, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fix is there because they

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Speaker 1: didn't want to give up the money, but there's really

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Speaker 1: no argument for them to exist anymore because if SMU

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Speaker 1: can show up and it only hurt the like, they

863
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: can't enhance themselves by winning, except maybe they get a

864
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: buy but they're in the tournament, but then if they

865
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: lose that they're out of the tournament. Then don't play

866
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: it at all. If you're SMU or make it very

867
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: obvious that you're putting in third string guys and you're

868
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: just showing up for no apparent reason. But you also

869
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: can't here's the other thing you can't do with the

870
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: conference championship game. Same thing in college basketball. You can't

871
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: do the well, the automatic bid thing like, no, we're

872
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: not gonna do the automatic bid. Whoever wins the championship game,

873
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: it's whoever is top ranked in this season and all

874
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: this stuff, well, at that point that nobody's going to

875
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: play their starters that's actually going to be in the

876
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: tournament because they don't want to get hurt. I think

877
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: we have come to a big time impass here. I

878
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: think college fool and he's considered giving up this money.

879
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: I agree, and getting rid of these games because it

880
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: makes no logical sense at all for the teams involved

881
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: and the competition. I think the integrity is shot. I

882
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: think the idea doesn't work with a twelve team playoff

883
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: at all, and it just it falls flat on its face.

884
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: There was a purpose for this at one point. That

885
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: purpose is no longer there, and we have an expanded playoff,

886
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: so we don't need conference championship games. We're gonna have

887
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: other games to have stakes. These have fake stakes. Basically,

888
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: that's what you found out on Tuesday, except that SMU

889
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: then plays, loses and is out. I don't see that working.

890
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that that computes, which is why I

891
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: automatically believe that Alabama is out and SMU is in,

892
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: because they want to try to preserve this mirage of

893
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: the conference championship games, even though we all know they're

894
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: a joke.

895
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: So I said that earlier in the show. I agree

896
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: with you, is we have to remember at the end

897
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: of the day, on this playoff committee, yes, there are

898
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: former coaches and players and whatever, there's also a lot

899
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: of administrators, you know, eighties whatever, and I think there,

900
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: I think they understand what is at stake if they

901
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: keep out SMU. And again the context here is important.

902
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: SMU a walk off field goal in this game. To

903
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: your point that you've brought up throughout the show, Jason,

904
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: and I agree with you. If SMU had lost forty

905
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: one to three, that's a completely different conversation. But they

906
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: easily could have won that game. It was tied with

907
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: sixteen seconds, it was tied with three seconds to go.

908
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: To be perfectly honest and all you're doing is punishing

909
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: them for showing up. And so I happen to agree

910
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: with you. And it's a tough spot for college football

911
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: because we all have previously loved the college football conference

912
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: championships and we understand why they were played, but to

913
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: your point, they certainly don't serve the same value.

914
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: And I think.

915
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 2: Beyond that, what you also have to think about is, obviously, look,

916
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: there are teams like SMU that could potentially be hurt,

917
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: but also think about Georgia. I mean, Georgia might have

918
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: lost their starting quarterback for the rest of the season

919
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: for basically a trophy in a first round by Okay,

920
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: but the conversation has been for weeks, if not since

921
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: this twelve team playoff was expanded, was what is the

922
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: risk of playing in a conference championship game? Whether it

923
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: is an injury perspective like Georgia, whether it is a

924
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: getting knocked out like SMU, Well, is it worth it

925
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: having this game? And I think I think people like

926
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: you and I that love this sport, I think we

927
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: had our doubts. Does this make sense going forward? But

928
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: I think the combination of the injuries that we saw

929
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: in the Georgia game, but to a much bigger degree

930
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: if SMU was left out, I guarantee you the conversation

931
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: tomorrow is gonna be the acc we gotta eliminate this

932
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: conference championship game, right, And I don't think they're wrong,

933
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: And so I tend to agree with you. Is that

934
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: is that I think the committee understands what is at

935
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: stake if they leave out SMU. Is it right?

936
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Is it wrong?

937
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. And certainly there will be one conference

938
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: commissioner in this case, Greg Sankee, that's mad that one

939
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: of his teams got left out. But the counter to

940
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: that is basically telling teams, hey, conference championship games don't matter.

941
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, they do matter, but only

942
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: in a negative manner. And I I just I think

943
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: it's an interesting conversation. I think it will make for

944
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: an unreal conversation if SMU is, in fact gets left out.

945
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that you can have a world that

946
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: makes sense where there is a penalty for achievement. SMU

947
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: achieved the opportunity to go play for the conference championship.

948
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: Alabama didn't achieve that opportunity. Old Miss didn't achieve that opportunity.

949
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: South Carolina didn't achieve that opportunity. They can't then be

950
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: given grace and credit because they didn't achieve as much

951
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: as SMU did. That's a problem. And I was trying

952
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: to think where else can you actually be penalized for achievement.

953
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I actually thought, oh, yeah, well, you could be the

954
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: number one draft pick in the NFL and go to

955
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Sorry, that good draft pick, and you

956
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: go to a horrible franchise. It's terribly run and then

957
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: you're Trevor Lawrence all of a sudden, so like it

958
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: can be done, but in this scenario, like you can't say,

959
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: you know what, SMU, that was phenomenal. You reached the

960
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: championship game, unfortunately didn't win it. So we're gonna go

961
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: with this team that actually didn't it just I mean,

962
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't even have to say it anymore, Like it's

963
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: just obvious. And I'm predisposed to go with the SEC

964
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: because I live in SEC territory. I like SEC schools,

965
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. And even I'm saying,

966
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: you've got to put SMU in for the logical purpose

967
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: of what's gonna happen going forward, but bigger than that,

968
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know that this happens. I don't know

969
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: how you get to this point, but there's no scenario

970
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: where these conference championship games can continue because it's not

971
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: like in college basketball, where you do have the automatic bid.

972
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: For these teams, it's like their last chance to be

973
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: able to get in, but you have all of them

974
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: playing in it. They've all done something in this other scenario.

975
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: But usually the team that loses in that case to

976
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: the team that gets the automatic bid, that team's in too.

977
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Because there's sixty four spots here. SMU, who was ranking

978
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: number eight in the country entering the game, could somehow

979
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: fall behind teams that did not play a game. That's

980
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: a bridge too far for me. It just is I

981
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: don't think that you can make that argument with a

982
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: straight face.

983
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a weird situation because you can't like

984
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: manufacture stakes either, right like you like if you say

985
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: that teams are you know that you know, like like

986
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: both teams are in if they make the conference championship game,

987
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: then it incentivizes teams to sit players. Yes, one team

988
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: will get a get buy one team won't. But I

989
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: think if you told Kirby smart and maybe this year

990
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: is a bad example, but I think if you told

991
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: all these guys like, hey, you're in no matter what,

992
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: like like getting to the conference championship game automatically gets

993
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: you into the bigger field, I don't understand what the

994
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: incentive is to play your best player. Matter of fact,

995
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: I was even thinking about this today. Texas is starting

996
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: All American left tackle Kelvin Banks, who people say is

997
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: the best offensive tackle in college football, didn't play in

998
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: that SEC championship game. Now I could be wrong. I

999
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: I haven't looked into this. Maybe I'm gonna sound stupid

1000
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: saying it, but I wonder if it was a four

1001
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: team playoff, win or go home, it was an ankle injury,

1002
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: does he play in that game? But Sark knew, Hey

1003
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: there's a scenario, We're good no matter what. And so

1004
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: again I think it's it's the two things. It's it's

1005
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: the one thing of the fact that you could have

1006
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: potentially teams punished for playing in them like SMU. But again,

1007
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: there's no way to set up the stakes where like

1008
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: the they're like, the benefit of winning is so big,

1009
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: but the drawback isn't so bad. So in other words,

1010
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: if you give both teams an automatic bid, then it

1011
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: means nothing. But if you can't guarantee either team in then,

1012
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: to Lane Kiffin's point from weeks ago, you're gonna be

1013
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: punished for playing in this thing. So I will say,

1014
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: by the way, I hadn't thought of this until right now.

1015
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: It is ironic. Lane Kiffin made the argument, you can't

1016
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: punish teams for being a conference championship game, and it

1017
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: might be an SEC team that gets left out because SMU,

1018
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: for people just joining us, lost on a walk off

1019
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: field goal they trailed by seventeen points going in the

1020
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: fourth quarter rally to tie the game at twenty one

1021
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: at thirty one, excuse me, a Clemson walkoff field goal

1022
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: as time expired gave Clemson a championship. And now the

1023
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: debate becomes should it be Alabama as a nine to

1024
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: three team versus SMU at eleven and two.

1025
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll tell you, I'll say one more thing

1026
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: about what you were saying about the lang kipping thing.

1027
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: And I think that that's exactly right, because he assumed

1028
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: it might be his team they got left out, or

1029
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: one of the teams from that conference they got left out.

1030
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: And I said this. I've said this now for a

1031
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, especially the way that we've seen some

1032
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: of these teams drop and lose all stuff. If you

1033
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: don't make it, it's going to be your fault, right because

1034
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: you could have won the games. Now that being said,

1035
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: if the committee believed SMU's schedule was good enough to

1036
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: have them in comfortable last week, then you can't penalize

1037
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: them for the extra game. If you don't have them

1038
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: in and they have to win their way in, that's

1039
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: a different story. But if you've already got them in,

1040
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: then you are tacitly admitting that their schedule was good

1041
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: enough to be a playoff team. So then you can't

1042
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: look at the schedule and say, well, it's not as

1043
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: good as this team that didn't play in a conference

1044
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: title game, because they've already stipulated that it was. So

1045
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: even if I think their schedules week, which generally speaking,

1046
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: I do think it's a very weak schedule, the committee

1047
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: has already laid the groundwork by saying we're number eight.

1048
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: Here's where they were entering this game. So this game

1049
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: should have no effect on that whatsoever because of how

1050
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: close it was, especially but overall, they've already told you

1051
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: that their schedule is playoff worthy. So now you can't say, well,

1052
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: you know what it was, but eh, maybe we were hate. No,

1053
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: you can't do that. That, to me, I think is

1054
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: one of the lasting in press that I have on

1055
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: this and it's why Alabama is going to be left

1056
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: out tomorrow.

1057
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: I think the way that it ended, it is very

1058
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: hard to make the case for Alabama. By the way

1059
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: our three j mart, I want to revisit the idea

1060
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 2: of one thing that we haven't talked about. How far

1061
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: should a Texas or Penn State if they're in the field,

1062
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 2: how far should they fall? Like should Penn State fall

1063
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: behind Ohio State? Again, they're sort of penalized for playing

1064
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: the extra game, but they also have that. We could

1065
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: save that conversation for hour three because up next Ryan Fowler.

1066
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: He is a host in our Fox Sports radio affiliate

1067
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: TIED one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. As I'm

1068
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: sure you probably figured out, he doesn't cover the SMU

1069
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: Mustangs on a day to day basis. Okay, he covers Alabama.

1070
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: He is gonna come on give the Alabama perspective. Where

1071
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: do things stand? Where should Alabama be in this mix?

1072
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: Does Alabama have an argument? To get in over an

1073
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: eleven and two SMU that just lost as time expired

1074
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: for people just joining us. Clemson wins the ace SEC

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Speaker 2: Championship Game thirty four to thirty one on a walk

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Speaker 2: off field goal. Has Clemson done enough to or has

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Speaker 2: SMU excuse me, done enough to clinch that final playoff spot?

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Speaker 2: Or should Alabama be in in place of them? We'll

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Speaker 2: discuss that next with our buddy, Ryan Fowler, aertorus Jason Martin.

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Speaker 2: pretty nervous friend of mine and j Martz right now

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Speaker 2: local time, tied one hundred point nine in Tuscaloosa. That

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Speaker 2: is one of our great Fox Sports radio affiliates. Ryan

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Speaker 2: Fowler is joining us. Ryan, my man, what's going on?

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's gonna be a sleepless not in Tuscaloosa. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go down to like the waffle house and see,

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Speaker 7: you know, midnight it's gonna be packed with people because

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Speaker 7: nobody can sleep. But you know, I don't know, I

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Speaker 7: really don't. I mean, I think you could make a

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Speaker 7: case for Alabama, but you know, I think the worst

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Speaker 7: case scenario was s m U keeping it close. You know,

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Speaker 7: when I watched college football and I watched Clemson SMU,

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 7: I didn't think there were either one of them very good.

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Speaker 7: I'm sitting there going Clemson. I mean, I'm sure everybody's

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Speaker 7: got an opinion. But when I look at SMU, you know,

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Speaker 7: do they go back to what Georgia did a couple

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Speaker 7: of years ago to TCU. You know, do ratings really matter?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I mean that is the limb on their hands.

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Speaker 7: I mean you look at it from a resume standpoint

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 7: zero wins against top twenty five teams, and then you

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Speaker 7: know you've got Alabama's bad losses. But then they've got

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Speaker 7: a you know, three and one record against franked opponents.

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00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 7: It's all about, you know, is that dollar bill going

1117
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 7: to counter in because I think it will. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think that's the that's what Alabama's holding out hope for.

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Speaker 2: So really quickly, I'll set this up for the audience

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Speaker 2: that might not be following this on a day to day.

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Speaker 2: Clemson eleven and two, zero and two against the top

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Speaker 2: twenty five Ryan correct me three Alabam's nine to three,

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Speaker 2: but three top twenty five wins I believe, South Carolina, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: and Missouri, but also two losses to unranked opponents. So

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Speaker 2: it's basically said Clemson by the way you meant SMU,

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Speaker 2: yeah too, SMU is eleven and two. Clemson has clenched

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Speaker 2: an automatic bid. SMU at eleven and two, no great

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Speaker 2: wins but no bad losses. Alabama three pretty good wins

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Speaker 2: but two pretty bad losses what was the vibe on

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Speaker 2: the show all week? Because I think you just laid

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Speaker 2: it out, is that that was essentially a worst case scenario.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just that SMU did not win, but they

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Speaker 2: played well enough where it's a conversation. But what was

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Speaker 2: just the vibe on your show all week as this

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Speaker 2: conversation popped up.

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Speaker 7: Well, it was on Monday. I don't think they know.

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Speaker 7: They were very nervous about the college football playoff rankings,

1138
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Speaker 7: and then there were the rankings got released from Wednesday.

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Speaker 7: I do an afternoon show, and so the Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 7: Friday edition, there was a lot of confidence that Alabama,

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Speaker 7: you know, would be in the college football playoffs because

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Speaker 7: you know, based on ward of Manual's talk. It's almost

1143
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Speaker 7: like and I went to the teleconference, not just what

1144
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Speaker 7: we saw on the television side of screen, and I

1145
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 7: just listened to a lot of his burbage. We probably

1146
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 7: spend a way too much time over analyzing, as we

1147
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Speaker 7: do in the media, but it was almost the word

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Speaker 7: that he said, you know, you've got a lot of

1149
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Speaker 7: data point, you know, and he almost in some ways

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Speaker 7: he locked down those did you have.

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Speaker 1: A problem with that?

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Speaker 2: By the way, Ryan, it did. It's great for Alabama,

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Speaker 2: but it kind of took some of the suspense out

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Speaker 2: of today, right it did?

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Speaker 7: It did, And I think that's that's part of you know,

1156
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Speaker 7: trying to guessing game. You know, what is that committee

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Speaker 7: going to really do? Because see, I think there's a

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Speaker 7: couple of different ways that you look at this. Okay,

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Speaker 7: you also got to keep in mind, yes it's money,

1160
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Speaker 7: but Greg's thanking his most powerful person in college football,

1161
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Speaker 7: and the Big Fan is going to get four teams

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Speaker 7: into the College Football Playoffs. If the SEC gets three,

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Speaker 7: then I think Greg thank he walks into that next

1164
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Speaker 7: College Football Playoffs committee, you know when they're laying down

1165
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Speaker 7: the structure and says, okay, guys, you burn me once.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going automatic bids. Because this was the guy

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Speaker 7: that wanted eight best teams. He wanted the eight best teams,

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Speaker 7: no automatic bids. He wanted all the best eight teams

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Speaker 7: for the U. He would be able to Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Let me, let me jump in and Jim Martin, I

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Speaker 2: apologize that I keep cutting yards. But here's my question

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Speaker 2: for you, Ryan, how and this is a question that

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Speaker 2: you might actually have some good perspective on. I totally

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Speaker 2: see what you're saying, but if you leave SMU out,

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Speaker 2: you essentially completely devalue the conference championship game. What would

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Speaker 2: Greg Sanki say, like, where does the conference championship game

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Speaker 2: prioritize for him? It's obviously a money maker on TV,

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Speaker 2: but I think even today in Atlanta people said that

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Speaker 2: the even Kirby Smarts that have the game, the crowd

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: isn't what it's been. The juice hasn't been the same.

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Speaker 2: So would Greg Sanki then be willing to because that

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01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: would be the if SMU gets left out, the conversation

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: immediately defaults to we have to stop playing conference championship games.

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Speaker 2: Is that something?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 2: Is that a conversation that Greg Sanki is open to

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Speaker 2: because that is what the conversation will be.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the conference championship games already devalued. I

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Speaker 7: just I mean you said it right there. I mean, guys,

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Speaker 7: and it's thought to the SEC. I mean you could

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Speaker 7: get a Chick fil a combo cheaper than you could

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Speaker 7: or more expensive than a ticket to Big Ten Championship.

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Speaker 7: I mean I mean that, I mean let that seek in, guys.

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Speaker 7: I mean I saw the ticket price. I mean they

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Speaker 7: were twenty dollars yesterday. I saw them all the twelve

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Speaker 7: dollars today, twelve bucks that would get you into a

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Speaker 7: Big Ten championship. So with Greg Sinky, I think he

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Speaker 7: already knows that. I think he already sees that this

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Speaker 7: thing is not going to add the value that it

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Speaker 7: once was from a TV rating standpoint. And I go

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Speaker 7: back to Rick and new Heisel. He made it comed

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Speaker 7: a couple of days ago, and I used this for you.

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Speaker 7: I think when you did your Wednesday hit on my

1204
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 7: show is I almost think you flipped these conference championship

1205
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 7: games and you have some type of playing games. You know,

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Speaker 7: maybe it's the two at the end, and maybe it's

1207
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Speaker 7: Ole Miss South Carolina debating somehow that's a playing game.

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Speaker 7: It just doesn't have the value. And I think with

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Speaker 7: the depth issues, Kirby's Mark said prior to the start

1210
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Speaker 7: of the season that when you look at depth, they

1211
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Speaker 7: I mean, they've never been centered than they are right now.

1212
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Speaker 7: I just don't think college is, from a head coaching perspective,

1213
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Speaker 7: want to play in these games because unless you're gonna

1214
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Speaker 7: give me more scholarships, and right now they don't seem

1215
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 7: to be doing that. I mean, the SEC came out

1216
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Speaker 7: a couple of months ago and said, no, we're sticking

1217
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 7: right here with this number. I just don't know if

1218
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 7: you can play because when we get to January the twentieth,

1219
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 7: in that same SEC, Mercedes been sitting over to Atlanta.

1220
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 7: Where are we going to be out from an injury standpoint?

1221
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 7: Are we setting ourselves up for a good value? Yes,

1222
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 7: this is the first sample size we're seeing that. I

1223
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 7: don't think you have the debt to play all these

1224
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Speaker 7: games that were so I think the conference Championship. I

1225
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Speaker 7: know that's a roundabout way to answer your questions. I

1226
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Speaker 7: think it's already devalued. I think you're well man, you're

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Speaker 7: really rich. Yeah go ahead, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, now what I was going to say is, like

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01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean sons of Big ten. And in terms of

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Speaker 1: the SEC, one of the reasons why you don't go

1231
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: see that game is because you know both the winner

1232
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Speaker 1: and the loser are in. Like, you don't have that scenario.

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Speaker 1: For example, point the ACC Championship because if Clemson got in,

1234
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Speaker 1: that was the only way they had a chance to

1235
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Speaker 1: get in was whether they won, so they were certainly

1236
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Speaker 1: going to try to show up for it. I think

1237
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Speaker 1: that changes it a little bit, but I would my

1238
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: question would be this, and I'm certainly predisposed towards the

1239
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: SEC just like you are, Bryan. But if the committee

1240
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: on Tuesday said smu schedule was good enough to put

1241
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: them in the playoff, that their resume that their record

1242
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: had them in the playoff, then how then can you

1243
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: penalize the achievement of making it to a conference title game.

1244
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: I do think that the conference title games have to

1245
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: go away because the logic fails entirely at this point.

1246
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: But they've basically already admitted to you the committee has

1247
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: that they believe SMU was playoff worthy based on their schedule.

1248
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: That might be the mistake, but then you have a

1249
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: different can of worms where you devaluate an entire conference

1250
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: by keeping SMU out of the top twelve because you

1251
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: think that their schedule is that week. So I think

1252
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: you've got a big time conundrum here. I think SMU

1253
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: is in and Alabama is out personally, because I think

1254
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: that you lose a lot of integrity and some of

1255
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: the things that they're trying to hold on to with

1256
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: the last fibers that exist on the side, one of

1257
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: them being these conference title games in these TV contracts

1258
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Speaker 1: and some of those things.

1259
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Speaker 7: Well, but also keep in mind too, is you need

1260
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 7: a strength of schedule. I think I was looking at

1261
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 7: the strength of schedule. It's in the eighties. So you've

1262
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 7: all always got me because you're trading money for one thing.

1263
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 7: So if you look at SMU and you look at

1264
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Speaker 7: that strength of schedule, I think it's seventy fifth in

1265
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 7: the country. Look at this too, because we both worked

1266
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 7: for you know, radio networks that benefit TV networks that

1267
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 7: benefit from big games. You're all home telling you that, Okay,

1268
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 7: go out schedule the easiest schedule you can possibly get.

1269
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 7: Don't go to Wisconsin. Alabama starts at Florida State. I

1270
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 7: know next year, but don't go out and schedule those

1271
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 7: games because they really don't benefit you, right from a

1272
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 7: strength of schedule standpoint. So but I don't think SEBU.

1273
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 7: You probably thought they were going to be in this conversation.

1274
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 7: But I think that's another part is do you trade

1275
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 7: TV ratings, you know, SNU and Houston Christian for an

1276
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 7: Alabama Wisconsin. Do you look at that and say, Okay,

1277
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 7: you went out and scheduled difficult opponent. Is that a value?

1278
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 7: I think it should be. But also you know, I

1279
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 7: get I get both sides. I mean, I could probably

1280
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 7: say here, make the case for s and U, but

1281
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 7: I think I can also make the case for Alabama.

1282
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 7: I look at the SEC as much as we disagree

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Speaker 7: with Lane Kiffin. And he said it, and he really

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Speaker 7: said something that most people were not brave enough to say,

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Speaker 7: is this league is different. It is different. It's not

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Speaker 7: just a one game season as some of these conferences.

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Speaker 7: They are out here. It is weekend, week out. And

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Speaker 7: I take a lot of teams LSU, I take l

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Speaker 7: s U and I put them in the ACC. Would

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Speaker 7: they have done the same thing S and U did?

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Speaker 7: I think so? I just and I'm sure I'm SEC biased,

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Speaker 7: but I don't think truly people appreciate it. I asked

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Speaker 7: Demanti Jackson last week catch the iron ball. He played

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Speaker 7: in the PAC twelve. He went up against other teams,

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Speaker 7: and I said, what do you think when you've made

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Speaker 7: the crossover, you've went through this twelve game regular season.

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Speaker 7: He said, I didn't really fully grasp it until coming

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Speaker 7: in playing in this league. I thought I did, but

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Speaker 7: I really did not understand it until I started playing

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Speaker 7: the SEC. The grind every big single week and that's

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Speaker 7: another part. You know, are we going to the NFL model? Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: How fast are we're going to get there? We're already here,

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Speaker 7: so when you look at it, that's the other part.

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Speaker 7: But the same discussion that we're having is the same

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Speaker 7: discussion that those thirteen committee members. I mean they're debating

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Speaker 7: because they're saying the same thing we are. Make the

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Speaker 7: case here, make the case here. I also don't I

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Speaker 7: hate the idea of of current athletic director's home the committee.

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Speaker 7: I just think there's too much financial bias in there.

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Speaker 7: I mean, because you're influencing, you know, other decisions. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the acc rep is sitting there going, okay, if I

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Speaker 7: put SMU there, I'm going to mean that my school

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Speaker 7: probably gets, you know, another big piece of the twenty

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Speaker 7: two to twenty three million dollar pay day. I mean

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Speaker 7: that to me is forcing people to be on ethical.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, we got one or two questions for you,

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Speaker 2: but we do have to get to the news desk.

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Speaker 2: Steve de Seger, go ahead, give us quick update. Ryan,

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Speaker 2: hang on the phone. We got more to ask you.

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Speaker 2: On the other side.

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Speaker 5: In college football's conference championship games tonight, it's Big ten

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Speaker 5: winner Number one Oregon over number three ranked Penn State

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Speaker 5: forty five thirty seven Dylan Gabriel four touchdown passes. Georgia

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Speaker 5: in Atlanta won in overtime to take the SEC crown

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Speaker 5: over number two Texas twenty two to nineteen. The ACC

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Speaker 5: winner is Clemson on a fifty six yard field goal

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Speaker 5: on the final play, thirty four to thirty one over

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Speaker 5: number eight smu Arizona State dominated the Big Twelve championship

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01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 5: against Iowa State forty five to nineteen. In the late

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Speaker 5: night college basketball Top ten matchup at Seattle, Kentucky is

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Speaker 5: one in overtime against Gonzaga ninety to eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: The saga you're the man. We're gonna come back to

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Speaker 2: you in just one moment. We do want to wrap.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Fowler, tied one hundred point nine, is joining US.

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Speaker 2: Ryan hosts locally from two to six Central Time Monday

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Speaker 2: through Friday in Tuscaloosa. Ryan, let me ask you my

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: last question. I know Jamar probably wants to get one

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: more in with you. What do you like? What will

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Speaker 2: the conversation be like if Alabama doesn't get in? Because

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 2: I think you can look at it and yes, Alabama

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: has those great wins. But let's also call SPATA space.

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Speaker 2: They have a couple pretty bad losses. What will your

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: how will you address your audience on Monday? Will you

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: believe that it's a grave mistake or do you see this?

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: Do you at least see the argument that ay, if

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01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: Alabama just takes care of Vandy on the road, if

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: they just don't lose by twenty one to Oklahoma who

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Speaker 2: went six and six, were in a completely different conversation.

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Speaker 7: Listen, I want to embarrass myself like South Carolina Gamecock

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01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 7: media members, because they've embarrassed themselves. I mean, really, they've

1351
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 7: got an egg all over their face. But I think

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Speaker 7: when you look at it, I think you can make

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 7: the case for Alabama that I listen, I think you

1354
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 7: can poke holes in the boat as well. I mean

1355
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 7: the bad loss at Oklahoma. But also keep in mind

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Speaker 7: the Oklahoma twenty four to three loss. And I know

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01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 7: we're picking officials apart, there was a horrible call, one

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Speaker 7: of the worst calls that I've seen in ten to

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Speaker 7: fifteen years in that game. And I almost wonder if

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01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 7: some of those coaches in that room will look at

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 7: that call that took a touchdown off the board. It

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 7: was awful. I mean it was a bad, bad call.

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Speaker 2: So was that the first ever seventeen point touchdown? Or

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Speaker 2: how did that well?

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Speaker 7: But I mean they did that with fourteen minutes to go,

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01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 7: and you know who knows. I mean if you'd a

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01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 7: bounce back. But listen to Vanderbilt loss, there's some way

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 7: to spend that Oklahoma game. It was.

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Speaker 3: It was bad.

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Speaker 7: So you look at it. You made this bed, you've

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 7: got to sleep in it. And I think the discussion

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 7: it will be, all right, how do you improve upon

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01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 7: this team? Listen, this team could beat anybody in the

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 7: in the country, but they can also lose. But I'll

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01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 7: say this, look at eyeball tests Alabama, SMU. I'd lay

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 7: the mortgage on Alabama. And I think that's what that

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 7: committee comes down to when they look at it and

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 7: say who's the better football team? SMU. You look at

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 7: their players. They just don't look like a team that

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01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 7: is going to be able to do anything in the

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Speaker 7: college football playoffs. And don't ever forget TV ratings are imported,

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 7: and that committee knows that.

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Speaker 1: So the argument against that's just gonna be then don't

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: even play the games because we knew what Alabama looked

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: like before the season started, so you can look in there.

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Speaker 7: True true, true, true. But I mean, did you guys

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Speaker 7: look at SMU and say that was a quality looking

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01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 7: football game? I'm talking about cut too. I looked at Clemson.

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Speaker 7: I'm going, are we really watching an ACC title game?

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Speaker 7: And you could see in the sands, I mean the

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Speaker 7: SU section was empty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Ronan, Yeah, real quick, I have one question for you,

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Speaker 2: because I do think this this becomes an interesting conversation.

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01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 2: Have you taken the time to consider how much Texas

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01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: losing that game could potentially hurt you? And let me

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01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: explain why with my final thoughts. Go ahead and I'll

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01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: lay it out for everybody, and you'll only have about

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Speaker 2: a minute, so I apologize. But here's here is the

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Speaker 2: final resume of Texas eleven and two overall oh and

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Speaker 2: two against teams in the top twenty five, best win

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Speaker 2: obviously last week eight and four, Texas A and m

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Speaker 2: SMU final resume eleven and two overall oh and two

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Speaker 2: against top twenty five teams, best win nine and three dukes.

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Speaker 2: So essentially, where I think it could get complicated, and

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Speaker 2: I do want your opinion on this is if you

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Speaker 2: leave out SMU Texas, even though with the eye tests,

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Speaker 2: I listen, even I'll acknowledge there's no doubt Texas looks

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: like the better team. But Texas has basically the same

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Speaker 2: resume as SMU, and I think, as weird as that sounds,

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: that could be a hold up against Alabama.

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Speaker 7: Well, but I think you could also look at it

1412
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 7: from the Georgia perspective of winning that game also boost

1413
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 7: your resume a ton. So I mean kind of look

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 7: at that. I mean that that's another, you know, big win.

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Speaker 7: But I do look at what you're saying about Texas.

1416
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 7: But you know, will it come down to ites? And

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you to discuss the college football future because

1418
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 7: it's not about just this year. Yes, it involves the

1419
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 7: conference championship, but it also involves the criteria. If Greg

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01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 7: Sankee only gets three teams in that, he's going to

1421
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 7: put his feet in the sand and say, forget it, guys,

1422
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 7: I'm going best teams. This is why I wanted to

1423
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 7: go to start with, and you guys blocked me. I'm

1424
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 7: going back to it. Most powerful person in college football

1425
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 7: doesn't get his way, it would be it would set

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 7: up for some unique discussion as we've moved beyond twelve

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01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 7: to fourteen, to sixteen to thirty two to forty eight.

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Speaker 1: That's where it's gonna you predicting Bama. I'm sorry, are

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Speaker 1: you predicting Bama?

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Speaker 7: I really I don't feel comfortable either way. I really don't.

1431
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I would hate to be on that committee.

1432
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Speaker 7: I mean, I'll say this, I would I mean I

1433
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 7: would hate to be in that room because there's a

1434
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 7: loser either way. Whatever argument they make, they're gonna get criticism.

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Speaker 3: If they put.

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Speaker 7: Alabama they are, they're gonna get criticism if they leave

1437
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 7: it and put the SMU there. It's it's tough. But

1438
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 7: you know, I do like the twelve team playoffs, and

1439
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 7: I didn't not like the twelve team playoffs when it

1440
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 7: was first kind of threw out there. I went, oh,

1441
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 7: come on, guys. But now we have watered down college

1442
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 7: football so much it's you know, it makes sense, and

1443
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 7: I'm not sure fourteen or sixteen don't make sense either

1444
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 7: because but I go back to the depth side of things.

1445
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 7: Are we going to see January the twenty when we

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 7: get to Atlanta and the national title game? Are we

1447
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 7: going to be watching? I mean, you've already seen it, right,

1448
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 7: I mean Georgea's quarterback, will Carson Beck be able to go?

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Speaker 7: I mean, We're going to see a water down version

1450
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 7: of college football, and that's unfortunate. That's the part that

1451
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 7: I don't think people are totally grasping what that's going

1452
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 7: to look like. You're playing an NFL typ schedule with

1453
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 7: a lot fewer players. You know, you don't have a

1454
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 7: practice squad or another guy sitting on those casts that

1455
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 7: you can go bring on your roster. You have to

1456
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 7: play with what you've got, and we've seen Alabama navigate

1457
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 7: some very crazy injuries this season.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say because we got to go. I think

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: the Carson Beck argument is another reason why I think

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: we're probably closer to the end of conference championship games

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01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 2: than the beginning. Ryan, dude, you've been so great for

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Speaker 2: your time. I have a great evening. Like I said,

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01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: I know to probably be a little bit of a

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: restless night for you and everybody in Tuscalusa, but we

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: appreciate you. You can hear Ryan two to six local

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 2: on Monday through Friday. Tide one hundred point nine are

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 2: TIEDE affiliate, and of course please make sure to follow Ryan.

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Speaker 2: One of the great college football follows anywhere. Ryan C.

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: Fowler on Twitter. Ryan, my man, We very much appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time and we will talk soon. Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Hey, you you're welcome. Thank you. Have a great ating.

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Speaker 2: That was Ryan Fowler tied one hundred point nine. We

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Speaker 2: will come back and we will continue the conversation. Steve

1474
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: Desager with his extended update on this and everything else

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Speaker 2: you missed across college football on Saturday. This is Foxport thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports radio er tors jsmartbroadcasting live

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Speaker 2: from the Tireck dot com studios. Let's get straight to

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Speaker 2: the news desk for his extended update to Saga. The

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Speaker 2: floor is yours, my friend.

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Speaker 5: You guys were talking about attendance, and by the way,

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Speaker 5: we had Oregon from more than two thousand miles away,

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Speaker 5: and it was very good attendance for Oregon. Penn State

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 5: in the Big Ten championship game in Indianapolis tonight. So

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Speaker 5: we can update the Penn State stead what's the record

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 5: of the Penn State program against top five teams since

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Speaker 5: they've joined the Big which was nineteen ninety three. The

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Speaker 5: answer is three and twenty nine after tonight, three and

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Speaker 5: twenty nine against the top five, Number one Oregon beat

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Speaker 5: number three Penn State forty five to thirty seven. Dylan

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Speaker 5: Gabriel four touchdown passes nearly one thousand yards combined in

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Speaker 5: this game and fifty three first downs. Meanwhile, SMUs what

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Speaker 5: one thousand miles away from Charlotte, but they nearly got

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Speaker 5: a win in the ACC championship game, tied it up

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 5: against Clemson on a touchdown with sixteen seconds left. Clemson, though,

1495
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 5: got close enough to try a very long field goal

1496
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 5: attempt final play of regulation nap whole kick on.

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Speaker 8: Its way, got the distance, doesn't have the accress the

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Speaker 8: mists to.

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Speaker 5: The playoffs Clemson Tigers Radio Network thirty four to thirty

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Speaker 5: one the final cad Klubnik with four touchdown passes.

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 2: Georgia was a seventy.

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,879
Speaker 5: Five miles away from Atlanta, where it won the SEC

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01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 5: crown in overtime against number two Texas twenty two to nineteen.

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01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 5: Trevor Eta in game winning touchdown run. He had sixteen carries,

1505
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 5: ninety four yards rushing and two scores and dominance for

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 5: Arizona State in the Big twelve title game in Arlington,

1507
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 5: Texas today. It was forty five to ten after three

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 5: quarters ASU beat Iowa State forty five to nineteen. Sam

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 5: Levitt three touchdown passes in the third quarter. Camp Scataboo

1510
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 5: sixteen carries one hundred and seventy yards, seemingly one thousand

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 5: broken tackles, three total touchdowns. Sun Belt title game was

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01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 5: Marshall winning easily at Louisiana thirty one to three. Louisiana

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01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 5: went four and three at home. This year, Marshall has

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01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 5: won seven straight after a three and three start to

1515
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 5: the season, and the matt Conference Championship was in Detroit

1516
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 5: attendance fifteen thousand. As Ohio University was a thirty eight

1517
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 5: to three winner over Miami Ohio, which, after its opening

1518
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 5: drive a field goal, had seven drives eight first down

1519
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 5: the rest of the day, while Ohio you had thirty

1520
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 5: two first downs. So Ohio University has won six straight,

1521
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 5: but it's coach Tim Albin is reportedly leaving for the

1522
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 5: Charlotte program. The final playoff bracket will be announced Sunday

1523
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 5: along with the bowl matchups. Keep in mind noted Amy

1524
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 5: is number four, but it cannot get a first round

1525
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 5: by because as an independent, it cannot be a conference champ,

1526
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 5: So the Irish would be hosting a first round game.

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 5: Ohio State failed to number six. This week Alabama was

1528
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 5: number eleven, Miami down to number twelve, number eight. SMU

1529
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 5: lost that close SEC title game tonight.

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Speaker 2: De Sega, thank you so much. We apologize for the

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01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: short update. It is say Night, Big Night, Wild Night,

1532
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 2: and we still got an hour left. Air tours Jason

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 2: Martin taking to two am Eastern. More on the twelve

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01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 2: team college football playoff. Who's In? Who's Out? We're up

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01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: till two am Eastern, Fox Sports THIRTYO.

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Speaker 2: Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show will follow us.

1544
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Speaker 2: Bernie a historian on all things sports. I know he's

1545
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Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of good stuff on everything going

1546
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 2: on in the world of sports, but obviously the big

1547
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: topic right now it is this college football playoff. We

1548
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: feel like we know what the conversation is and we're

1549
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: resetting this for a new audience. But in jmartin I's opinion,

1550
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 2: eleven spots appeared to be settled coming into today. The

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 2: Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Mountain West, and Big Twelve champions

1552
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: obviously get automatic bids, so that would be Oregon, Georgia,

1553
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 2: Boise State, Arizona State, and also Clemson, who pulled off

1554
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: an upset in the ACC title game. We also believe

1555
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: that of the seven at large bids in the new

1556
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: twelve team playoffs, six are spoken for. You have the

1557
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: Big Ten runner up, Penn State, the SEC runner up

1558
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 2: in Texas. You have Indiana and Ohio State from the

1559
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: Big Ten, you have Notre Dame from the obviously an independent,

1560
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 2: and you have Tennessee from the SEC. And it appears

1561
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: as though the conversation that will take us up until

1562
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: noon Eastern tomorrow when the final playoff bracket is announced,

1563
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: will be SMU, which for people who are just joining us.

1564
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: They lost on a walk off field goal to Clemson.

1565
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: They trailed thirty one to seventeen going into the fourth quarter,

1566
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: rallied to tie the game. Clemson returns the kick after

1567
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 2: the game tying touchdown to the forty five yard line.

1568
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,440
Speaker 2: Seventeen yard pass puts them in field goal range. Clemson

1569
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: with the walk off field goal. Who win the game?

1570
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: So the question becomes eleven in two SMU zero to

1571
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: two against top twenty five teams, but no bad losses

1572
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: against Alabama, nine and three with a couple really good

1573
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: wins including the SEC champ Georgia, but also a couple

1574
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 2: pretty bad losses in Vanderbilt and also Oklahoma as well.

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01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: One j Mark, did I miss anything? Do you tend

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01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: to agree that those eleven teams that I mentioned are

1577
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: pretty set and that the only real conversation going into

1578
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 2: tomorrow will be eleven and two SMU versus nine and

1579
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 2: three Alabama.

1580
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've been saying this to each other, you know,

1581
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: most of the day that it was really only one

1582
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: discussion and was if SMU lost and it becomes SMU

1583
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: versus Alabama, Clemson screwed everything up for Alabama or maybe

1584
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: for SMU. Will find out, but everything else was kind

1585
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: of set in stone and Ward manual, the head of

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01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: the committee said so on Tuesday basically said if you're

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: not playing, then you can't improve your status like you

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: can't put yourself there. So if you were outside of

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01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: the top eleven, you were basically out because you know,

1590
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: you knew that the big twelve champ at the very

1591
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: least was going to be in. They were going to

1592
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: be a tough twelve seed, so that was going to

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: knock out twelve. So that effectively knocked out Miami and

1594
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: it already closed the case on South Carolina, Ole Miss

1595
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: or anybody else below that line. So then you just

1596
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: look at all, right, well, you've got this ACC deal

1597
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: where if Clemson wins, then they're going to steal a

1598
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: bit from somebody because they would not have been in

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01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: otherwise they were the three loss team that really wasn't

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01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: very good, that was seventeenth ranked entering that. But because

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01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: of the way that you got in the ACC, the

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01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: way that they advanced and made their way into the

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: conference championship game, then they had to win an in

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01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: scenario and they got in. So now it comes down

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: to the team that lost to them on a fifty

1606
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: six yard field goal at the very end of the game. Again,

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01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: if they lose thirty one to three, I think it's

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01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: harder to make this argument, but During the break, I

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: listened to Joey Galloway. He happened to be on television

1610
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: and he said something I was just kind of like

1611
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: baffled by. I don't understand what his point was here,

1612
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: but the argument was the argument from the host was

1613
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: just I don't like at all the idea that you

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01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: could be penalized for making it to a championship game, sure,

1615
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: for playing in a championship game. And he said no, no, no, no.

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01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: Galway said no, not playing in it, losing it. So

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01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: he makes the delineation that since they lost, that should

1618
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: hurt them, but playing in it, because playing in it's

1619
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: different than losing it. It's like, okay, then I'm not

1620
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 1: going to show up, Like, I don't understand your argument.

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01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: If playing in it doesn't hurt you, if playing in

1622
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: it is is somehow a positive, then it becomes a negative.

1623
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: It's like, right, but they were already in the thing, right,

1624
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: but then they went and lost. Like he's arguing that

1625
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: they should be out because they lost, and I'm just like,

1626
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't think he can get there.

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01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think that falls flat on his face.

1628
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: And we have Ryan Fowler on and he kind of

1629
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: was trying to make he was making the argument for Alabama,

1630
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: and he was saying, well, did you look at that game?

1631
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Did you look at Clemson ANDSMU? They didn't look like

1632
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: the right team. And it's like, right, well, if we're

1633
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: just doing a beauty contest and I can tell you

1634
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,520
Speaker 1: who the top twelve should be before the season starts,

1635
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: and we don't even have to play the games because

1636
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: we know what teams look like and all this other

1637
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you can't do it that way and

1638
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I think he's right about this,

1639
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: Fowler is, but I don't know that this is a

1640
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: good thing. If you're actually going to take into account

1641
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: ratings and some of that kind of stuff, then we've

1642
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: lost all semblance of everything. But I think we all

1643
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: are naive to think that that's not part of it.

1644
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I just ultimately believe that if you want to preserve

1645
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: any chance that the conference championship games can continue for

1646
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: a few years and make the extra little the extra

1647
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: money that they're making as forcical as they are, then

1648
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: SMU has to get in. If they don't, then there

1649
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: is absolutely no reason why any team would agree or

1650
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: try to play in it. I'd try to lose to

1651
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: make sure I didn't make it in because Bama finds

1652
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: its way in by proxy. They are rewarded for not achieving,

1653
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,839
Speaker 1: and achievement is then penalized on a case of SMU.

1654
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: It's a mess, right, But you look at that game

1655
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: against Oklahoma with Alabama, that to me excluded them because yes,

1656
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 1: now that's all I gotta say, you can go ahead.

1657
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: What's a huge hole in their resume?

1658
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's an interesting point just in

1659
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: general about Alabama is they have the great wins, but

1660
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 2: they have bad losses as well. And listen, Ryan even

1661
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 2: said this. Ran Fowler tied one hundred point nine joined

1662
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 2: us about a half an hour ago, and he said it,

1663
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: and I think it is worth noting. Is that basically

1664
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: it's impossible. Because we asked Ryan, I think you have

1665
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: Ryan and the segment, what do you think will happen?

1666
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: He said, I don't feel comfortable either way because we

1667
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: don't know what this particular committee values. I'll also say this,

1668
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: J Martin and I could be just deadly wrong on this.

1669
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the point that I made that

1670
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: I it was a little bit of a better point

1671
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: than I even realized in real time. But the Texas

1672
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: point is.

1673
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:22,879
Speaker 1: A good point.

1674
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know what the eye test, Texas looks

1675
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: pretty good. That was a game that could have gone

1676
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,759
Speaker 2: either way. And listen, we could criticize Texas lost to Georgia, backup, quarterback, whatever,

1677
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Texas was great along both lines, whatever. But it does

1678
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: make the argument really hard to leave out SMU and

1679
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: for people that aren't following, Texas goes to the SEC

1680
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 2: Championship game at eleven and one, they have zero wins

1681
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: over ranked teams currently in the current top twenty five.

1682
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 2: Now SMU goes to the ACC Championship game eleven and one,

1683
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 2: zero wins over the top. They have the exact same resume.

1684
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: The only difference is one is in the SEC one

1685
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: has eye test, I test does. It isn't a criteria

1686
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 2: for the committee. And then I think also beyond that,

1687
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 2: if you somehow left out SMU and put in Texas,

1688
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 2: then just acknowledge the SEC bias and that's not supposed

1689
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: to happen. And so as weird as it sounds, I

1690
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: think Texas losing that game makes it harder for the

1691
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: committee to look everybody in the eye and say that

1692
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: it is fair to leave out SMU. If Texas had

1693
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 2: won and Texas is twelve and one, and then you're

1694
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: you're truly debating a nine to three Bama versus eleven

1695
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 2: in two SMU. That makes the conversation different. But I

1696
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: do think that that does feel like something that will

1697
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 2: be a factor tomorrow.

1698
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: So he was making the point about Greg Sankei as well,

1699
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: and about how SANK would be upset over three and

1700
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: he would just go back to being the best teams.

1701
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, if that's what you want to do.

1702
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: I will say this, If SMU doesn't get in, then

1703
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: the AEC should be disbanded because they have no power.

1704
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: They're not a power conference anymore. There's only two power

1705
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: conferences at that point. And at that point, just disband

1706
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: it all and just turn it into a free for

1707
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: all and then just pick the best teams like it

1708
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. If if SMU can have an

1709
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: eleven to one record, the committee can accept the fact

1710
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: in advance and say, yeah, what they've done so far

1711
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,480
Speaker 1: this season puts them in. They don't have to accomplish

1712
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 1: anything else to be in. But if they then because

1713
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: of that accomplishment, play an extra game and lose and

1714
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: they're out because the SEC should get an extra team in.

1715
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Then at that point the ACC is completely meaningless. At

1716
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: that point, Florida State should win their lawsuit. Clump should

1717
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: when everybody should be out, like everybody should be allowed

1718
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: to leave because the ACC at that point is no

1719
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: better than any other conference. I think that's as big

1720
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: an issue as well, Like outside of the Big Ten,

1721
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 1: in the SEC, is there a reason to care because

1722
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: at that point, if you lose your conference championship game,

1723
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: then you could be out. But that's not going to

1724
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: be the case in the Big Ten. That's not going

1725
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: to be the case in the SEC almost never. And again,

1726
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: it's an improper, imperfect system, and I don't know that

1727
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: there is a perfect fix for it, but things that

1728
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: are going to have to be and will be discussed.

1729
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Get rid of the conference championship games is going to

1730
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: be for sure, you know, number one. Or you have

1731
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 1: to get to the situation where both the winner and

1732
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: the loser of a conference championship game in a major

1733
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 1: conference get in, at which point nobody's going to try anyway.

1734
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 1: So I think that the biggest problem is the existence

1735
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: of these games, because if you don't have these games.

1736
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: SMU was already in and Clemson was out, and that's

1737
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: really what should have happened. In my opinion, I understand

1738
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: Clemson beat SMU, but Clemson shouldn't even been in a

1739
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: position to be in that game. If they had been

1740
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: in another conference, they wouldn't have been in that case.

1741
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: I don't like the put LSU in the ACC and

1742
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: see what they get. I don't know what they would

1743
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: have done. I think Old Miss might have. I think

1744
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: some of the better teams would. I think LSU might

1745
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: be a bridge too far to make that argument. But

1746
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the thing I hate is that Clemson is in because

1747
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: if you're picking the best teams, I don't think Clempson

1748
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: distinguished themselves to be regarded as one of the top twelve.

1749
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: But because they were in a conference that enabled them,

1750
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: because of what happened with Miami, to get into the

1751
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: conference title game, I don't like that one at all.

1752
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: That to me is the biggest concern with the college

1753
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: with these championship games is you do have conferences where

1754
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: you have teams that don't deserve to be there.

1755
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this really quick is it would

1756
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 2: be a little bit of disappointment because I think that's

1757
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: probably one, I think probably eliminate conference championship games, but two,

1758
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: I hope we don't go to a place where we

1759
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: eliminate automatic bids. You know, we haven't talked about the

1760
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 2: Big twelve. The Big twelve game was a lot of

1761
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 2: fun today Arizona State clinches Boise last night really quick,

1762
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: because we haven't had a chance to talk about this,

1763
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 2: and I'm just curious, and again, we don't know because

1764
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: this has never we've never had a twelve team playoff.

1765
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 2: What do you make of a team like Penn State

1766
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: and a team like Texas. And the reason I bring

1767
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 2: it up is because listen, I can argue to my

1768
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: till my face turns blue that SMU and Texas have

1769
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: the same resume. You have to put one in if

1770
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: you put both, but we know that Texas is going

1771
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: to get in. I guess my question becomes this is,

1772
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: I think we all came into the week assuming that

1773
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 2: the losers of these games really kind of wouldn't be punished.

1774
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 2: And basically, you know, if it right, you know, if

1775
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Penn State was you know, Texas and Penn State were

1776
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 2: ranked two and three in the polls, So if they lose,

1777
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 2: then they're probably gonna end up being the five and

1778
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: six seed or the five whatever. The point I'm trying

1779
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 2: to make do you think like a Penn State, for example, Right,

1780
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: so they're eleven and two, their only losses are to

1781
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Oregon, But now you're eleven and two

1782
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 2: versus like say a ten and two Ohio State, where

1783
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: it's like, well, if we're talking about not punishing teams

1784
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: for being in a conference championship game, does that mean

1785
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 2: that we don't drop say Penn State below Ohio State?

1786
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 2: Does that mean that Texas remains if they were like

1787
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 2: the five seed or the sixth seed coming into this game,

1788
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 2: if they lost, does that mean they're the five and

1789
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 2: six seed coming in?

1790
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: Like?

1791
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: What do you make of the teams that played today

1792
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 2: that actually like how will they kind of move beyond?

1793
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Like will they fall past some teams that didn't play today?

1794
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Because we're just talking about who's in and who's out.

1795
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: But then the question becomes like, do you punish a

1796
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: Texas by dropping them lower than you planned or a

1797
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: Penn State lower than you planned after losing today?

1798
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: No, because ward manual said, if you didn't play, you

1799
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: couldn't improve your spot. That's why it was critical that

1800
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 1: Alabama finished in the eleventh spot and not the twelve spot.

1801
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 1: They couldn't finish any higher than that as a result.

1802
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: So really, I don't think it affects Penn State at all,

1803
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: especially considering who they lost to. But even even notwithstanding that,

1804
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: in effect, what ward Manual said is a conference champion

1805
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: doesn't matter in a lot of ways because Ohio State

1806
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: had two losses during the regular season, Penn State did not.

1807
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Even if Ohio State. If Ohio State had been ranked

1808
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: to a head of Penn State, you can have a

1809
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: different argument there, because Penn State could have potentially improved

1810
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: their spot had they won, but because they were already

1811
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: over Ohio State, that case was closed. I don't see

1812
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,679
Speaker 1: any universe where Ohio State is ranked above Penn State

1813
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: once this comes out tomorrow, especially considering they both lost

1814
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: to the same team. Yeah, when it comes to Oregon.

1815
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: So that to me, I think is because of what

1816
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: ward Manual says. I don't think we have to even

1817
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: debate that one. I think that it is obvious that

1818
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Penn State's going to be ranked higher than Ohio State.

1819
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably right. You know, listen, we

1820
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 2: got to get to some other stuff. Maybe by the way,

1821
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 2: maybe we have a quick arch Quinn viewers.

1822
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about saying I do want to talk

1823
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: about that a little bit.

1824
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll tell you what what NFL?

1825
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 7: What?

1826
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: E Man? We even get to Belichick yet?

1827
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: Belichick? Who? Dan Campbell?

1828
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: What?

1829
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 2: Wait talking about now? We'll get to some NFL before

1830
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 2: the end of the show. But what we will do

1831
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 2: is we will come back. We both think Texas is in.

1832
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: That's not really a debate. I do think the big

1833
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 2: question should be should they make a quarterback change before

1834
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: the start of the college football playoff? We will discuss

1835
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 2: that next Er tors Jason Martin. We're taking up till

1836
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 2: two am Easter time. Hope you like college football, because

1837
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,599
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1838
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:33,360
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1839
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:39,320
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1840
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:45,599
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1841
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01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:54,160
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1850
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 2: j Mark, before we do just a very brief NFL

1851
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: look ahead to week fourteen on Sunday. I have we've

1852
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 2: talked so we could do another two hours because we

1853
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 2: didn't even talk Arizona State. We didn't talk really kind

1854
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: of rankings, and you know, there's just a lot of

1855
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 2: layers to this, but a layer that I do think

1856
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 2: could become a talking point after we get the bracket

1857
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: and we kind of get you know, tomorrow Sunday. You know,

1858
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: it's Sunday for a lot of people, but Sunday will

1859
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,599
Speaker 2: be all about SMU versus Alabama. Did they get it right?

1860
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 2: I think come Monday, you start looking ahead to some

1861
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: of the matchups and one of the conversations I believe

1862
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 2: will be regardless of who Texas draws, is it time

1863
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: for Texas to start thinking about making a quarterback change.

1864
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 2: I'll say this really quick and then I want toss

1865
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 2: it over to you. Remember the first time that Texas

1866
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 2: and Georgia played, Steve Sarkisian bench quinn Ewers and put

1867
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 2: in arch Manning to try to spark the offense. I

1868
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 2: thought he would do it. Today he didn't. But quinn

1869
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 2: Ewers finishes twenty seven of forty six three hundred and

1870
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 2: fifty eight yards. But that is also a fifty seven

1871
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage, one touchdown, two interceptions. And I'll say this, man,

1872
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 2: you know you look at yours across the board. Completion

1873
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 2: percentages down from last year. Touchdowns are basically about the same, now,

1874
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 2: you know, factoring in that he's played I guess the

1875
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 2: same number of games. Maybe I guess he would have

1876
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: played one more a year ago to this point because

1877
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 2: they made the postseason. I'll give you the floor. Does

1878
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 2: Texas need to consider or should they outright make a

1879
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: quarterback change before their first playoff game?

1880
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: So you already know my answer because I sent you

1881
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: a message. I guess it would have been after the game.

1882
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: But I also had said something early in the game

1883
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: where I said, I don't think that Texas can beat

1884
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 1: Georgia if quinn Ewers plays all four quarters, especially considering

1885
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: his ankle, because they're gonna keep on rushing him and

1886
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 1: trying to force him into some bad decisions or they're

1887
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna take him down. So my answer is arch gives

1888
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: you a better chance to win because I think that

1889
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 1: we have a known quantity in quinn Ewers. Now, we

1890
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 1: got to be careful because both of us I think

1891
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 1: a few years ago, suggested that Georgia needed to bench

1892
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett. Sure, and then they end up winning the

1893
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: National Championship and beating Alabama. I remember us doing that show.

1894
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: In this case, I think quinn Ewers is a good

1895
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: football player, but I think we know what he is

1896
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: now and what that is is not great. He does

1897
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: not have consistent touch on his throws. That cost them

1898
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, if you really look at

1899
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: the first half of that game Texas, the reason why

1900
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: I felt really good if I was Georgia is because

1901
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 1: they should have been getting blown out based on what

1902
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: you saw from the defense and their inability to move

1903
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: the ball. But Texas couldn't finish drives, and a lot

1904
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: of it is because Wers couldn't put the ball where

1905
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 1: it needed to be. And youwers may be banged up,

1906
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: and he's certainly a warrior, and he's played hurt a lot,

1907
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: and he's missed some time and all this, but he's

1908
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: still pretty one dimensional for you. There's a spark that

1909
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: comes with Arch. Arch can move, Arch can run, You

1910
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: can open your playbook a little bit more. I think

1911
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: that Steve Sarkisian has to be getting tired of trying

1912
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: to utilize Arch manning like he's Taysom Hill. I think that,

1913
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: if it is me, Texas's defense deserves the best offense

1914
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: it can have in order to go after this championship.

1915
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: I do not think the Texas offense that I have

1916
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: seen over the last half of this season, in particular

1917
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: with Quinn Ewers at the helm, is dynamic enough in

1918
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 1: some of these matchups against offenses that are gonna challenge

1919
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: Texas's defense strongly to get the job done. So, if

1920
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: you're asking me I think the change should be made,

1921
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: I think you turn the keys over to Arch and

1922
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: you let it go. And yes, there might be a

1923
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,759
Speaker 1: couple of limites, and maybe you turn out to be wrong,

1924
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 1: but I think we have a known quantity right now

1925
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: in Youers, and I just don't think it's quite good

1926
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: enough at this stage. I just think they have to

1927
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: play it a little bit too conservative, and you're just

1928
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: a little bit unsure, Like how many games are you

1929
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: gonna win a college football playoff if your offense can't

1930
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: score twenty points? And I think that could help. Happened

1931
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: multiple times against several different opponents that Texas could see.

1932
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: And I don't think that you can take that chance,

1933
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 1: even with the number one recruiting class coming in next

1934
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: year and all that good stuff. You are in position

1935
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 1: right now. You lost to Georgia twice, and you lost

1936
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 1: with yours playing pretty much the entire game outside of

1937
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: one snap in this one. I think you turn over

1938
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 1: to Arch because I think the ceiling is higher. I

1939
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: think the future is brighter with him at quarterback starting

1940
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: next year, but I think the future is right now.

1941
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: So I agree. And this is a point that a

1942
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,679
Speaker 2: lot of others have made throughout the day on Saturday,

1943
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: but it's one I agree with. Is we have seen

1944
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 2: other coaches in high leverage situations know that their quarterback

1945
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 2: isn't good enough, most notably, of course, two over Jalen

1946
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 2: Hurts in a national championship game. Now, your counterpoint of

1947
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,799
Speaker 2: Kirby smart. St could have been Stet's a Bennett. He didn't,

1948
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 2: and Stets a minute won two national championships is a

1949
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 2: great one as well. But I just bring it up

1950
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 2: because I am with you. The word you use, the

1951
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 2: term you use known quantity, and that is exactly what

1952
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Quinn Ywers is. And you know, I understand what he

1953
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 2: was in high school. I understand what he what we

1954
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, go back to that first Alabama game that

1955
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 2: he started two or three years ago, where we thought, wow,

1956
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: if it all comes together, look at the He's not that.

1957
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: And I don't I'm not a QB guru. I'm not

1958
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 2: smart enough to know why he hasn't. Really I don't

1959
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 2: think gotten better. But I don't like what you said

1960
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 2: he's a known quantity. I don't think he can elevate

1961
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 2: this team where they need to go. And I also

1962
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 2: just I just think, like I don't know, I'm just rambling.

1963
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is that I

1964
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 2: think you have to make the move. I think you

1965
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,639
Speaker 2: have to go to arch Manning because we've seen Quinn

1966
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 2: Ewers in these big By the way, it's not just

1967
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 2: the big games, Jmart. I mean, let's go back just

1968
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 2: really quick, because we do have to get to the sagre.

1969
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 2: But the last couple of weeks they put up seventeen

1970
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 2: points at Texas A and m Okay. Texas A and

1971
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 2: M is pretty decent. Twenty points at Arkansas not great,

1972
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 2: twenty seven against Vandy. Vandy's whatever ate exactly. You look

1973
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,759
Speaker 2: at that they played Kentucky. I mean, listen, they scored

1974
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 2: thirty one points, but he himself threw for under two

1975
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 2: hundred yards. And so I don't know if Arch Manning

1976
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 2: is the answer. I do think I know that Quinn

1977
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 2: yours is not the answer, and so whatever Sark does,

1978
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't really care. But I think I think you

1979
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 2: have to play Arch because I don't think when yours

1980
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 2: gives you a chance to win against the best teams.

1981
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 2: Anything else to add before it gets a disagred.

1982
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: The only thing I would say is, I think what

1983
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: we are saying, I think we're so certainly in agreement.

1984
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening are in agreement.

1985
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's gonna happen, though, Like if

1986
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: I had to put money on it, i'd say Sark

1987
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: is gonna stay with what he's got. I will say

1988
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: it is. It's a tough spot to be in, but

1989
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: this is why you're getting paid the big bucks is

1990
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: to make this kind of a decision in this spot.

1991
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: I know it's difficult, and quinn Ewers seems to be

1992
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 1: a real upstanding good dude, and you don't want to

1993
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: hurt him like this, But ultimately your job is to

1994
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: win a championship, and I think the best chance is

1995
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: to give Arch a shot. I do. I mean you

1996
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: think you look at like Dylan Gabriel and some of this.

1997
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: There are teams that you know we're going to rack

1998
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: yards and rack up points, and then there's multiple threat

1999
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and yours is very He looks like you'd have

2000
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: been great fifteen years ago. Like the way that he

2001
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 1: plays the college game. It's evolved to a place where

2002
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 1: their offense looks like it's in a time warp, and

2003
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be because there's skill talent all over the

2004
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: field for them. Arch gives them a completely different dimension

2005
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: and you have to respect his athleticism. I think that's

2006
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: why you have to roll with that, because if you

2007
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,759
Speaker 1: can give this defense thirty points a game at least,

2008
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:35,879
Speaker 1: I think you win the entire thing. Because their defense

2009
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: absolutely is elite, and the thing that is holding them

2010
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: back is an offense that, unfortunately a lot of it

2011
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: does go to the quarterback not being able to make

2012
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: the big play.

2013
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. I'm with you. I don't know what

2014
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkisian will do. I do think he should benchwin

2015
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 2: Ewers for arch Manning. Listen, it is what it is.

2016
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 2: This is big boy football. You get paid a lot

2017
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 2: of money. These guys, these players now get paid a

2018
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: lot of money, and I think you gotta at least

2019
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 2: try arch Manning. Fox Sports Radio error towards Jason Martin,

2020
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios. We will

2021
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 2: come back. Maybe we may we talk about this crazy

2022
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 2: thing called the NFL. Just very quickly look at week fourteen.

2023
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 2: Not sure if you've heard of that league, Jason, but

2024
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: they have a pretty big slate on Sunday. So we'll

2025
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 2: very quickly hit on a NFL slate from Sunday. But

2026
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 2: first final time this evening, let's get to the news

2027
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 2: desk to saga. The floor is yours.

2028
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 5: Obviously we will lead with number two yukon women's basketball.

2029
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 5: Thanks absolutely dominating today. Story of the night obvious against

2030
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 5: number twenty two Louisville. It was doubleheader in Brooklyn on Fox,

2031
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 5: So eighty five fifty two was your final score. Apparently

2032
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 5: we've somehow adopted this team on the show. Two of

2033
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 5: the three of us. We're not aware of this, but okay.

2034
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 5: Earlier in Brooklyn, Tennessee defeated number seventeen Iowa. You mentioned

2035
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 5: NFL Sunday Night, Kansas City can clinch the AFC West

2036
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 5: title for a ninth straight year. Chiefs will be hosting

2037
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 5: the Chargers. Chiefs return man Mcole Hardman went on IR

2038
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 5: with the knee injury Deelers wide receiver George Pickens was

2039
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,520
Speaker 5: fined over twenty thousand dollars for two un sportsmanlike penalties

2040
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 5: on Fox TV Sunday. Buffalo winners of seven straight playing

2041
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 5: at the Rams. Sunday Nights game is Bengals at Dallas.

2042
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 5: Cincinnati tackle Orlando Brown out with a fibula injury in Dallas.

2043
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 5: Guard Zach Martin out Monday with ankle and shoulder injuries.

2044
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,839
Speaker 5: Cleveland will be at Pittsburgh tomorrow. Brown's tackle Jedrick Wills

2045
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 5: placed on IR with a knee injury. Seattle Seahawks running

2046
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 5: back Kenneth Walker out tomorrow due to injuries as Seattle

2047
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 5: plays at Arizona. Eagles. Tight end Dallas Goddard was placed

2048
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 5: on IR with a knee injury. For Sunday's game at

2049
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Panthers linebacker Jadavian Clowney out with a knee injury.

2050
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 5: Vikings kicker Will Riker was activated off injury reserve and

2051
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,440
Speaker 5: Minnesota cutkicker John Parker Romo Vikings will host Atlanta.

2052
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: Jets.

2053
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 5: Running back Bresee Hall officially out Sunday at Miami with

2054
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 5: a knee injury. The Jets activated wide receiver Alan Lazard,

2055
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 5: forty nine Ers, defensive end Nick Bosa out with an

2056
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 5: oblique injury, and tackle tr Williams out again with an

2057
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 5: ankle injury as San Francisco hosts Chicago.

2058
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: Now to the.

2059
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 5: College football The conference championship games finished up tonight. Number

2060
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 5: one Oregon won the Big Ten forty five thirty seven

2061
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 5: over third rank Penn State in a game that had

2062
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 5: nearly one thousand yards combined of offense fifty three third

2063
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 5: downs as well Dylan Gabriel four touchdown passes, game MVP

2064
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 5: tes Johnson eleven catches for the Ducks one hundred and

2065
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 5: eighty one yards and a score in Atlanta, Georgia in

2066
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 5: overtime beat number two Texas to win the SEC twenty

2067
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 5: two to nineteen. Georgia will have a first round buy

2068
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 5: in the new playoff, and then it'll play a Sugar

2069
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 5: Bowl quarterfinal on New Year's Texas is eleven and two,

2070
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 5: both losses to Georgia. The Longhorns will host a first

2071
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 5: round playoff in two weeks. Quarterback Quinn Eewers one touchdown,

2072
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,600
Speaker 5: two interceptions. He was sacked six times today finished with

2073
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 5: three hundred and fifty eight yards passing Bert Auburn four

2074
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 5: of six on field goals. He missed from forty two

2075
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 5: and fifty one yards out, and Texas had a lot

2076
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 5: eleven penalties in a game they lost in ot the

2077
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 5: first overtime in the near what three decade plus history

2078
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:09,919
Speaker 5: of the SEC title game. Trevor Etn game winning touchdown

2079
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 5: run Carson Beck, Georgia quarterback, injured his arm at the

2080
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 5: end of the first half. Clemson won the ACC thirty

2081
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 5: four to thirty one over eight ranked SMU on a

2082
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,639
Speaker 5: fifty six yard field goal on the final play. SMU

2083
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 5: had just tied it on a touchdown with sixteen seconds

2084
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 5: left in fact the Mustangs with seventeen unanswered points in

2085
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. They came back from down thirty one

2086
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 5: to fourteen, but Cad Klubnik four touchdown passes in victory

2087
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 5: dominance to start the day for Arizona State winning the

2088
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 5: Big Twelve forty five to nineteen over Iowa State. Iowa

2089
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 5: State is three and three since it's seven and zero start,

2090
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 5: ASU has won six games in a row. Preseason, Arizona

2091
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 5: State was pick to finish last in that new conference

2092
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 5: of the Big Twelve. For it, Marshall won the Sun

2093
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 5: Belt easily at Louisiana thirty one to three, OHIOU thirty

2094
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,560
Speaker 5: eight three over Miami, Ohio to win the MAC. The

2095
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 5: final playoff bracket will be announced on Sunday along with

2096
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 5: the bowl matchups. Ucfis hiring Scott Frost as head coach.

2097
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,799
Speaker 5: In twenty seventeen, Frost led Central Florida to a thirteen

2098
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 5: and o season. Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy agreed to

2099
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 5: a reduced contract. They want to put the savings toward

2100
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 5: nil money. Oklahoma State just finished oh to nine in

2101
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 5: conference play. Late night men's college hoops went overtime in

2102
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,799
Speaker 5: the Top ten matchup in Seattle, Kentucky beat Gonzaga ninety

2103
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 5: to eighty nine. In ot today, Number five Marquette beat

2104
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 5: number eleven Wisconsin eighty eight seventy four upset. In the NBA,

2105
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 5: Washington had lost sixteen in a row, but beat Denver

2106
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 5: one twenty two one thirteen. Nikola Jokicic had fifty six

2107
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 5: points in the loss, the rest of his team had

2108
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 5: fifty seven. Detroit and Oklahoma City each one on the

2109
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,839
Speaker 5: road Cleveland as well. Dallas won at seventh straight Miami

2110
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 5: and Memphis with wins Memphis one. At Boston won twenty

2111
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 5: one one twenty seven to one twenty one. The Celtics

2112
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 5: from three point range tonight were eight team for sixty,

2113
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 5: drew Holiday four of seventeen from long distance, Jason Tatum

2114
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,679
Speaker 5: one of ten in the loss. And finally to baseball,

2115
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 5: the San Francisco Giants are reportedly signing shortstop Willia Damas

2116
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,479
Speaker 5: to a seven year, one hundred and eighty two million

2117
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 5: dollar contract, and this weekend Baseball Hall of Fame the

2118
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 5: Classic Era Committee is considering an eight man ballot of

2119
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 5: contributors before nineteen eighty. The committee meets tomorrow at the

2120
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 5: Winter Meetings in Dallas among the eight finalists up for

2121
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame, Dave Parker, Dick Allen, Louis Tiant,

2122
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 5: and Ken Boyer.

2123
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:36,679
Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve the Segar

2124
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: to Seger have a great evening back on Sunday Night

2125
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:44,839
Speaker 2: with Arnie Spanier and Chris Plank and so Mark Willard.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aer Tors Json Martin broadcasting live from

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Speaker 2: the Tyreck dot Com studios. Tell you what, Jamart will

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Speaker 2: come back. We'll wrap the show with some look ahead

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Speaker 2: previews to Week fourteen in the NFL. We got to

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Speaker 2: give our final pick SMU versus Bama for what we

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Speaker 2: believe to be the final college football playoff spot. That's

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Speaker 2: all next, Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Are you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody? Fox Sports Radio, Eric Towards Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: taking me up till two am Eastern Time. Bernie Fratto

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Speaker 2: of The Bernie Fratto Show will follow us in just

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Speaker 2: fourteen minutes from now. Tell you what, j mart we

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Speaker 2: haven't talked at all about anything related to Week fourteen

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Speaker 2: of the NFL. Obviously. Look, it's a rare night, you know,

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Speaker 2: it feels like every year on this night. I remember

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Speaker 2: last year we did Alabama and Florida State for essentially

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Speaker 2: the whole show tonight. It's basically Alabama versus Smu'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. Let's very quickly look at some of the

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Speaker 2: big games on Sunday in week fourteen in the NFL. Mary,

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Speaker 2: give us some music Ian. Which game are we looking

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Speaker 2: at first? Yeah, let's start with the Sunday night games.

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Speaker 2: So Los Angeles Chargers, they are going too arrowhead to

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Speaker 2: face the Kansas City Chiefs are favored by four. What

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Speaker 2: do you guys think? J Mark, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I like Kansas City. The weather just I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: Kansas City in December. I imagine it will be I

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Speaker 1: haven't looked at the temperature, but I imagine it will

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Speaker 1: be pretty cold. I don't like the chances of Chargers

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Speaker 1: going to that building and winning, even though I think

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is definitely beatable in terms of They've been

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Speaker 1: escaping by the skin of their teeth more often than

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Speaker 1: not this year, but they keep on escaping for the

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Speaker 1: most part, and I think that I just don't think

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Speaker 1: the Chargers going on the road in this scenario is

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Speaker 1: one where they win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm with you. You know you talk about escaping, Listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say that they escaped, they being

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Speaker 2: the Chargers from Atlanta, but you have under two hundred

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Speaker 2: yards of total offense last week. And again you want

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Speaker 2: to give the defense credit for forcing four turnovers for

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Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins interceptions, but it doesn't change the fact that

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Speaker 2: you still had under two hundred yards of total offense.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes ain't throwing four interceptions. You're on the road,

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Speaker 2: and I just don't know if this offense can muster enough.

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Speaker 2: I know Casey is certainly not operating at the highest

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Speaker 2: level on offense, but I don't think this is a

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Speaker 2: game that favors the Chargers. Give me Casey to win.

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Speaker 9: All right, Let's go to the Monday night game. Got

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Speaker 9: two franchises not exactly where they want to be right now.

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Speaker 9: The Cincinnati Bengals are going up against the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 9: It's in Arlington. Cowboys are favored by five and a

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Speaker 9: half points. What do we think, jam A, you got

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Speaker 9: any Joe Burrow takes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kidding. I don't understand. Like it's become very

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Speaker 1: trendy in national media to start dogging on Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this from multiple NFL analysts on a network

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Speaker 1: that will not be named that I just don't get it,

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Speaker 1: Like do you believe this or you being told to

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Speaker 1: say this this whole like you can't close. It's his

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Speaker 1: fault that they're four and eight or whatever the record

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Speaker 1: is at this standpoint. All this meanwhile, highest QBR in

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Speaker 1: the league, he's every time you look up, he's sting

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Speaker 1: another touchdown. But somehow it's his fault that the defense

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01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: can't stop anybody, and forty five points doesn't seem to

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Speaker 1: be enough to win for them. Like what exactly does

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow need to do to get the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the doubt from these people? Like seriously, I don't understand,

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Speaker 1: like why it's become trendy to go after Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I like Cincinnati to win the game

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Speaker 1: over Dallas because of the aforementioned Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: So Alex Saty too, let me ask you this really

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Speaker 2: quick before you get to one more game. MICHAEH. Parsons

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Speaker 2: earlier today, I believe it is either yesterday or today

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Speaker 2: at some sort of media availability, said he thinks the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys should run things back, which would include Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: What's your take on that?

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Speaker 1: Same thing. I mean, he said it, and Dak said

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Speaker 1: something similar a handful of days ago. I look at

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Speaker 1: this the same way I look at anything that's happening

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Speaker 1: in the present tense, Like you're not gonna dog out

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy while he still has the job and you

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Speaker 1: play on that football team. Like, just from a political, optical,

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Speaker 1: diplomatic standpoint, you can say snide dings and all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: but you're not gonna bury your current while he's still

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Speaker 1: your current coach. Even if you believe he needs to go,

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Speaker 1: you say that behind closed doors. That's not generally Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: our coach needs to go. He stinks Like that's not

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Speaker 1: something that generally has ever said. It's like this guy

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Speaker 1: that you have at quarterback, Oh man, he's definitely gonna

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Speaker 1: be my quarterback of the future. I think it was

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Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle said that about Cam Newton, but that's because

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton was still there in Carolina at the time.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what's he gonna say now? That dude's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I hope we get rid of him. Like, you don't

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Speaker 1: do that in the present tense about something that hasn't

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Speaker 1: taken place. So I kind of take it with a

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. Maybe they like McCarthy. Maybe I'm overreacting

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Speaker 1: to this. I just kind of listen to both of

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Speaker 1: these things. I'm like, yeah, this is what you say

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Speaker 1: about your current head football coach. Like virtually nobody's gonna

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Speaker 1: go out and bury the guy while he's still wearing

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Speaker 1: your team's colors. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other issue becomes and I don't

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Speaker 2: think anybody's listening to Micah Parsons on like what the

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Speaker 2: decision will be. But Mike McCarthy has no contracts, so

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna give him a one year contract. It

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Speaker 2: makes no sense. By the way, I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: don't think mich McCarthy will be back. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he should be back. I don't think he should be

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Speaker 2: back this year. And I like the Bengals to win.

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Speaker 2: On Sunday, Ian give us one more game really quick.

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Speaker 9: Weirdly, one of the more competitive games of the weekend,

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Speaker 9: Seattle Seahawks versus the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals are the home team, they're favored by three.

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Speaker 1: What do we think?

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Speaker 2: Jaymard any Hot takes on this.

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Speaker 1: One that these are the two best teams in the division.

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Speaker 1: Crazy which if you had said that at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the year, well, I mean the Rams. Rams have

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Speaker 1: a lot of talent, but they've just become very uninteresting

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Speaker 1: to me this year. Seattle's pretty interesting, Arizona's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I like Arizona at home. I think Arizona is the

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Speaker 1: team that I would like to see come out of

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Speaker 1: this division the most because I think they'd be the

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Speaker 1: most fun to watch in the playoffs. They do some

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Speaker 1: interesting stuff on defense. Gannon has brought that to him

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Speaker 1: and I just I like the young collection of talent.

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Speaker 1: Connor just got paid at the running back position for

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Speaker 1: his hard work over there. Harrison's coming into his own.

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Speaker 1: I like the way Kyler's playing. Give me Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed watching them this.

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Speaker 2: Year, so listen. Arizona's on a two game losing streak. Obviously,

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01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 2: last week they lost by one at Minnesota, and they

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Speaker 2: just played two weeks ago, and we're competitive even though

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Speaker 2: they lost to the Seahawks. I will take Arizona at

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Speaker 2: home as well. Not sure how much time we have left,

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Speaker 2: j Mart, but let's wrap the show with the conversation

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Speaker 2: that will take us up until noon Eastern on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the twelve team college football playoff bracket will be announced.

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Speaker 2: We believe eleven teams have unofficially confirmed their spots and

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Speaker 2: the last team the last spot will come down to

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Speaker 2: an eleven and two SMU versus a nine to three

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Speaker 2: Alabama final pick. Who do you think gets that spot?

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Speaker 1: I believe SMU will be in. Alabama will be on

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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I did see I'm seeing, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the predictions come out from some of our

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Speaker 1: colleagues in the national media. I saw Heather Dennich actually

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Speaker 1: has SMU in at eleven and Clemson in at twelve,

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Speaker 1: which is pi a to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have seen I've seen the opposite. I've seen

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Speaker 2: people make the argument SMU gets in at twelve and

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Speaker 2: Clemson one spot ahead, but keep keep going it.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with that. I agree with that, but

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Speaker 1: I think it if it were to go with SMU

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Speaker 1: at eleven and Clemson at twelve, then again, what's the

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Speaker 1: point of the conference championship game at that point in time? Like,

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Speaker 1: in terms of winning it, Clemson had to win it

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Speaker 1: to get in at all, but the fact that they

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Speaker 1: couldn't even get above the team that they beat is

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Speaker 1: kind of hilarious, But I just I do not think,

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Speaker 1: especially you have administrators and people in that room that

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Speaker 1: really do want these conference championship games, that like the revenue,

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01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 1: that like the split, that like all of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think that they have to make sure that those

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Speaker 1: things have any relevant whatsoever. And if SMU gets left out,

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Speaker 1: the conference championship games have gotta go. And I think

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01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 1: if they're if all other things come equal, then SMU

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Speaker 1: gets in because of that. I think ultimately though, they

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Speaker 1: should because you can't be penali or you should not

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01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 1: be penalized for achievement. When your resume was good enough

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Speaker 1: to have you in before you played that game, then

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Speaker 1: it shouldn't affect If everybody didn't have to play the game,

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Speaker 1: then that should not affect you in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm with you one hundred percent. I think

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Speaker 2: SMU does get in, and I think we're headed towards

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Speaker 2: the world without conference championship games. I don't think this

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Speaker 2: committee wants to be the reason why we got to

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Speaker 2: get out of here. I want to thank the crew,

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Speaker 2: Mary mack on the board, producer Ian Steve Desager from

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Speaker 2: a partner Jason Martin, I'm here Torus. Make sure to

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Speaker 2: download the podcast. If you love college football, you'll need

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Speaker 2: this for the next twelve hours. Coming up next, Bernie

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Speaker 2: Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show. Bernie follows us. This

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Radio.