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Speaker 1: the first edition of the earth Bound Farmers Almanac. Hey,

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Speaker 1: heard there's maybe a thunderstorm rolling in. Yeah, we're doing

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Speaker 1: a little bit first about Labilia Commons. So how did

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Speaker 1: it kind of started um last year during the pandemic. Basically, UM.

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Speaker 1: food production. Yeah. So I think with IDA, it's kind

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Speaker 1: which translates roughly to like the Web of People's UM

432
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: in Brazil, so called Brazil UM, where it's kind of

433
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: like experimental agroecology project that's very specific UM specifically focused

434
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: on UM, you know, sovereignty, land stewardship, kind of following

435
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: a little bit in the tradition of the Landless Workers movement.

436
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: If anyone's familiar with mst UM, it's kind of following

437
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: in that tradition a bit UM, but is heavily stewarded

438
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: by black and Indigenous knowledges. Yeah, I was something I

439
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: think of a like a kind of pleasant surprise out

440
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, I thought that was that was really

441
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: interesting way of looking at it, because I feel like

442
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: there's this tendency in the US too, you know when

443
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: when when when we talk about sort of a relationship

444
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: to the land, which which something that comes up a

445
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: lot in in the sort of essays that are are

446
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: in the All Neck is about you know, like the

447
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: there there there's a piece that I related to a lot,

448
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: which is about someone from Guam trying to sort of

449
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: deal with like I mean, particularly like legacies is or

450
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: Japanese imperialism and being driven from their home. And I

451
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hey, look like this is yeah, you know,

452
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: is this this is someone who experienced which when Japan

453
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: went west. I was like, oh yeah, my family had

454
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: this basically very similar thing when they went east. And

455
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, but but there's there's I think, yeah, and

456
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: I think it's very smartly you get you get to

457
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: a point very quickly where you're trying to grapple with

458
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, how do how do you build connections to land?

459
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: But then also how how does that work in a

460
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: context in you know, in a context that's basically defined

461
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: by southern colonialism and defined by by this by this occupation.

462
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: And I think looking at the MSc, looking at a

463
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened Latin America, I mean there there's

464
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: very similar to what you guys were talking about. In Brazil.

465
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: There there was a huge movement like this that was

466
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: indigenous land recormation, sort of agrocology in in Columbia for

467
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: example too in the nineties, and they they run into

468
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: this problem of you know, there's there's a civil war

469
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: growing on in Columbia and they a lot of them

470
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: getting murdered by sort of state paramilitary is in the army.

471
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's a it's a really interesting

472
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: way of of looking at what what does what does

473
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: lampak actually look like? And how how do you deal

474
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: with interacting with land? And also yeah, the lance workers

475
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: in particular, they use a lot of methods, but you

476
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: know they actually do just take a like an enormous

477
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: amount of land like back from this state and sort

478
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: of back from corporate things. So I'm interested in how

479
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: we all started talking to a lot of these a

480
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: lot of the Brazilian groups and how that sort of

481
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: like that that perspective is shaped way that like this,

482
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: this this whole sort of project turned out. Um. So

483
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: we were specifically to their dispos um some previous connections

484
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: that some of us had UM in Brazil had when

485
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: talking about what we were doing and just kind of

486
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: keeping up in exchange of um you know, just like

487
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: kind of updates from from the Gulf when they would

488
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: send updates from things going on down there. They kind

489
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: of drew the connection for us and put us towards them.

490
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: And I reached out to day Dispobos and was like, hey,

491
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're doing this thing, and I you know,

492
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: and inspired by what you're doing personally and UM, you know,

493
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I I'd be curious to see what what what kind

494
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: of relationship whatever we can foster, and they took it. UM.

495
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, also with with some inspirations, seeing that this

496
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: very clear connection in terms of relationship with land historically,

497
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: M this possession historically between the two continents across the Caribbean. UM.

498
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: The implementation on a wide scale of plantation, monoculture UM.

499
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: It that was fueled entirely by slavery and genocide. UM.

500
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: And And I think that having that kind of like

501
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: shared common history, I think gives us a good bedrock to,

502
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: like UM exchange notes about where we are now kind

503
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: of multiplied by the fact that the way that UM, yeah,

504
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: so called emancipation happened here versus in Brazil radically different.

505
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: And UM the UM like the for instance, the existence

506
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: of PET or the Workers Party in Brazil being such

507
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: a force after the dictatorship and having that like strong

508
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: populist movement UM that was you know, rooted a very

509
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: traditional left UM that that fueled MST. Well, you don't

510
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: have anything like that here. You know that that happens

511
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: at the same time that here, actually the workers movement

512
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: in the US was was kind of getting defeated, I

513
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: mean the up in the seventies. So with respect to

514
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: like um land back specifically, UM, you know, I don't

515
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: know if you I don't know if you will see

516
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: it in the same forms. I doubt at least obviously

517
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: would totally be there cheering it on. And I'm happy

518
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: to see it. Um. But I think it looks a

519
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: lot more like during the uprising last year. You saw

520
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: in Chicago, for instance, UM, the when when the trains

521
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: were being expropriated as they were moving, taking goods out

522
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: of these box cars, um, and just expropriate in tons

523
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: of goods, taking you know, taking goods that would normally

524
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: be going you know, just commodities normally going to court,

525
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: just cut off in the middle of line or you know, UM,

526
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: these these these these kind of like more um ah,

527
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to say small scale, but UM focus

528
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: more on like infrastructural choke points rather than necessarily um

529
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: like having thousands of people swarming uh, you know, a

530
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: massive industrial agriculture UM set up in Kansas or something.

531
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, I think it's great to imagine that.

532
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: I think I really love sharing the history of mst

533
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: with people in America who have never heard it before,

534
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: because I think it's a great way to kind of

535
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: expand the imaginary of like what is possible, like what

536
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of actions are actually at our disposal like it

537
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: and it truly is not you to look exactly like that.

538
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's also really important for us to

539
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: like not forget a lot of the similar histories here,

540
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: like UM. Part of the inspiration for the Almanac or

541
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: what kind of drove us to to make it was

542
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: some of us were doing a reading group of this

543
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: book called Freedom Farmers that's about kind of like various

544
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: uh um black projects in the South for food autonomy

545
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: after slavery, and a lot of it is about Fannie

546
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Lew Hammer and UM freedom Farms. And you know, we

547
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: were definitely inspired for some of the litbilia things by

548
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: um Fannie Lee Hammer's pig Bank, which was a really

549
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: cool thing where they just like started with a bunch

550
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: of pigs and if you were in the community, like

551
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: you get you get your pigs from you get a

552
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: couple of piglets from the pig bank, and then the

553
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: interest on that is a couple of years later you

554
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: got to give them a couple of pigs because you're

555
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: producing your own pigs, and so the pig bank is

556
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: like self sustaining. UM. And another thing from that book

557
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: that was inspiring to us was um reading about George

558
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Washington Carver's public education projects out of Tuskegee University that were, um,

559
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: just really inspiring in terms of like he was doing

560
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: all of his own kind of independent research about soils

561
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and pests and all these different crops and everything, and

562
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: creating these farm bulletins that were then being distributed to

563
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: black farmers throughout the region to kind of, you know,

564
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: share better practices, and a lot of the stuff was

565
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: like agro ecology before people had that word. Like he

566
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: was very far out of his time in terms of

567
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: understanding soil dynamics and and passing things like that. UM.

568
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, we we definitely try to try to lift

569
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: up all that history as much as possible. Yeah, I

570
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: guess whenever. The ether thing I thought was very interesting

571
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: that you alluded to you briefly in this was Yeah,

572
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: because there's there's a session of this is talking about

573
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: food in prisons, and I wonder if you could talk

574
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: about that part a little bit more because that's a

575
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: connection that I that I really don't think it's drawn

576
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: very often here on me flipped to the piece, right,

577
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that it's kind of

578
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: hard to describe. I do love the visual that that

579
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: we have for this piece, but yeah, I mean it's

580
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: just like the it's a striking image, you know, it's

581
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: got like, um in the center, there's a picture of

582
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: a really high density chicken operation and there's somebody wearing

583
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: sort of like a full tibex suit suit and just

584
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: walking through this like massive herd of chickens. And then

585
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: that's superimposed over this just like really nasty looking close

586
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: up photo of a prison food tray and just like

587
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: the canned veggies and the everything, And like, I mean,

588
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't I've been to jail a number of times,

589
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: and the food is always terrible. It's always one of

590
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: the things that you talk about or you can bond

591
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: over or whatever. It's just how bad the food is.

592
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: But I think people who haven't experienced that don't really

593
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: think about just how much systematic like starvation is going

594
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: on and the nutrition is going on, where it's like

595
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: the only way you can possibly survive in these places

596
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: is spending a bunch of extra money on commissary to

597
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: get stuff that also isn't healthy, but at least you

598
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: can get more calories and stuff. Um. And like I

599
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: think that that there's like a lot of parallels between

600
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: kind of the structure of prisons and the structure of

601
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: our of our food system. UM. I mean one example

602
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: that I used to talk about this is like the

603
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: banana plantation um where like the you know, we have

604
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: an entire variety of banana that's like basically stanct or

605
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: it's it can't be grown commercially anymore because the banana industry,

606
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, functions by putting like warehousing these banas together

607
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: and these like super tight plantation formations, you know, which

608
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: really only makes sense if you're just trying to maximize

609
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: your profits and get as much out of a a

610
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: small space as possible. But what it does is is

611
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: the exact same thing that happens in prisons during COVID

612
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: or with any kind of uh, you know, pathogen like

613
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: tuberculosis or whatever. Um. You know, It's it's like the

614
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: trees are so close together that the fungus spread so rapidly,

615
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: and then they're also like pumping all these things into

616
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: to fight that, and they're actually breeding super funguses all

617
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: the time, and at some point the banana that we

618
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: eat now is going to also stop existing because of this.

619
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: UM And I guess I don't know if I can

620
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: draw anything deeper out of those similarities than the fact

621
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: that there's this like overriding logic of capitalism that is

622
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: just like has no respect for these beings, like whether

623
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: it is a per person or a minatory, like it's

624
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: all just commodities and things to be warehouse. UM. Yeah,

625
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: I think UM to add on that, I mean this,

626
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: this is the piece in there which is called the

627
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: Struggle for good Food across Walls. UM. I think it

628
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: does a nice job of talking about how like, um,

629
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, if we're talking about quote unquote food, food

630
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: justice or what have you like, UM Like, how can

631
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: we talk about that on the outside of all forgetting

632
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: about just the most deplorable um food conditions on the

633
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: entire continent. UM. And I think that that it's it's

634
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: really good at that. I think I would really like

635
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: to see in the next year all the ways that um,

636
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: the imaginaries of of inmates kind of go in like

637
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: attack that UM. The like the logic of of prison

638
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: and food being completely deplorable. Like you know, you have

639
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: all these forms of creativity of like making tortillas and

640
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: stuff and like doing wild things with like stuff that's

641
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: in the commissary, you know, contraband kind of ways of

642
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: of making kind of life a little bit more livable

643
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: in there. And and if anyone has UM spent time

644
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: in jail or prison, or or kept up a relationship

645
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: with someone on the inside or what have you, UM,

646
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: everyone has a story about a way of UM making

647
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Speaker 1: making food more um interesting and joyful and and like

648
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: there becomes whole cultures around them. One of the things

649
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: that we're starting to do in one of the farm

650
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Speaker 1: spaces we work with outside of the city is is

651
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Speaker 1: um through pre existing relationships with inmates in Angola State

652
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Speaker 1: Penitentiary in Louisiana, which, for those that don't know, UM

653
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: was a plantation civil war happens two years after the

654
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: civil War, it becomes a Louisiana scate p potentiary. It's

655
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: still a plantation. It's you know, uh this many times

656
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: descendants of the same enslaved folks who were on that

657
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Speaker 1: plantation prior UM and you know, it's a it's a

658
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: guard on a horseback riding around while those UM folks

659
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: pulling cotton um. And so so, through some of these

660
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Speaker 1: relationships with some of these inmates who are UM like

661
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of uh clandestine organizers, UM, we're starting to come

662
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: up with ways to like grow food collaboratively with folks

663
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: that are behind walls and and find ways to get

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Speaker 1: food to either their family or maybe sell and get

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00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: that into their commissary. Kind of just like trying to

666
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: um spitball ideas about like different ways of producing food

667
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Speaker 1: despite people's um incarceration. Yeah, that that seems that seems

668
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Speaker 1: like a really I guess we're you can really say

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Speaker 1: it is a a necessary way for for this sort of

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Speaker 1: food politics to go, if it's going to actually deal

671
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Speaker 1: with sort of both the land conditions and the conditions

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Speaker 1: of just you know, the fact that we haven't in

673
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Speaker 1: know that there's still just an enormous slafe population the US.

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Speaker 1: And I think that kind of resistance in creativity, I

675
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Speaker 1: think is how Yeah, y'all, are y'all are on the

676
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: right track with with pushing it that way? Yeah, that

677
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Speaker 1: this is this is sort of a bleak note to

678
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Speaker 1: end on, I think, but I don't know. I think

679
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Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a it's a it's a hopeful one too,

680
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: and where can people find but basically all of Youll's work.

681
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Speaker 1: And then also you talked a little bit about trying

682
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Speaker 1: to get submissions for and everything, So can you talk

683
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: a little bit about how that how that's gonna work. Yeah, Um,

684
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Speaker 1: so we're we're it's it's kind of been on hold

685
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Speaker 1: a little bit because we've been like very active after IDA. Yeah,

686
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to make sure our people are

687
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: all good and supporting UM in various places, UM kind

688
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: of doing like different workshops and stuff. And and because

689
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Speaker 1: that our focus isn't just on food production, it's also

690
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: like neighborhood survival or whatever. So we've been um working

691
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Speaker 1: with an old UM neighbor of one of ours, who

692
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Speaker 1: um you know, she's already been kind of doing this

693
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: mutual aid stuff you know by any other name for decades,

694
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, letting people stay in their house, UM, feeding people. UM.

695
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: She's like kind of like a block MoMA and she's

696
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: really one of the last UM black homeowners in her neighborhood.

697
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: So we're really trying to like help her achieve some

698
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: autonomy one way that we've been putting it is UM

699
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: when all the airbnbs like lose their power because they're

700
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: still reliant on the colonial world, well, miss Elfie I

701
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: could still have her lights on because she's going to

702
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: be totally autonomous from the system. So UM, I think

703
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: that that is on our Instagram page if you click

704
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: on the like UM the link or whatever, there's a

705
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: go fund me that UM is UH where we've been

706
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: putting a lot of our effort and really working with

707
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: her on UM and then also like growing growing a

708
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: garden like adjacent to her so that their people in

709
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: that community are are food as as food autonomous as

710
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Speaker 1: UM as we can get we can we can put

711
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Speaker 1: it in the show notes. Yeah, and the the handle

712
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: for both Twitter and Instagram is at Lobilia Commons and

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Speaker 1: the Almanac. You can find links to the Almanac pdf

714
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: on through either of those UM if you want to

715
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: just read it for free. And then UM there's also

716
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: copies for sale on emergent Goods dot com. And for

717
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: UM submissions. I mean, yeah, like I said, we've been

718
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: really behind on this just because of all this stuff,

719
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Speaker 1: But for submissions, we're really UM looking for folks. UM

720
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: to contribute, throw us a pitch. UM. I think if

721
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Speaker 1: you've seen the first one or I've listened to this,

722
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: you probably get something of an idea of what we're

723
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: looking for UM. And we're happy to like talk to

724
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Speaker 1: people about, like, you know, different ideas and bear with

725
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: us if we're a little slower to respawn because we're

726
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of still weigst deep right now. But

727
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: the submission for deadlines is the end of October UM,

728
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: and you can email ideas or pitches or whatever to

729
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Lobelia Commons at proton mail dot com. And lastly, the

730
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: project that I'm most focused on is the front Yard

731
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Speaker 1: Orchard Initiative, where basically we just propagate as many fruit

732
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Speaker 1: trees as cheaply as possible, things that are really easy

733
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Speaker 1: for us to grow from cuttings like figs, s, mulberries,

734
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Speaker 1: things they're easy to grow from seed, like papaya, maringa,

735
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: pecan um. And we basically just have some nice flyers

736
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: that we put up and we advertise a bit on

737
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: social media and also just kind of go door to

738
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Speaker 1: door in neighborhoods where we already have gardens or connections

739
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: and offer to give free fruit trees out to people,

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Speaker 1: and we're also happy to plant them for people and

741
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Speaker 1: then kind of offer a consultation on how to take

742
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: care of it or whatever. And also, if folks want

743
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: to hear some of the pieces from the Earthbound Farmers

744
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: Almanac read by some of the authors and then some

745
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: interviews with those authors, you can check out this podcast

746
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: called Partisan Gardens that did a really good episode that's

747
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: kind of like an audio exploration of the Almanac. Cool. Yeah, people,

748
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: people definitely definitely go read the Almanac. Is it's it's

749
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a really good it's a really good

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Speaker 1: piece of work. Um yeah, thank thank you too so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thank you for I'm Colleen what

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Speaker 1: join me a host of Eating Wall Broke podcast While

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Speaker 1: A petty criminal named James Earl Ray was arrested. He

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Speaker 1: came out when I got the Ray case was that

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Speaker 1: some of the evidence, as far as I was concerned,

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Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: growling of a tactical vehicle. Must have left your window open.

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00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: A few streets away. You can hear the troopers doing

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Speaker 1: their morning patrols. This is closing in on week four

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Speaker 1: of the all day curfew cops and state troopers have

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00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: put checkpoints at every bridge and on all major streets

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00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: for about every ten blocks. Your friends and the city's

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00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: local liberal majority are now calling this what it is.

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00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: You're a city is functioning as a full on police state.

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00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: National establishment media has been more hesitants to use that term,

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00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: but your Fox watching conservative family from out of state

807
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: has been texting you about how good it is that

808
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: someone is finally establishing law and order and taking back

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00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: the town. After months of senseless looting and destructive riots,

810
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: You've been mostly stuck in your downtown apartment. You quit

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Speaker 1: your job when the recent amount of protests started up,

812
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: which now means you don't qualify for the working hours

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00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: exemption of the curfew. You've got enough money saved up

814
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: for another month, but you're looking to get a grocery

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Speaker 1: delivery job, which would have the added benefit of allowing

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00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: you to go outside during the day. Luckily, you've been

817
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: able to sneak out at night to do rooftopping and

818
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: surveil the police's checkpoints and patrol routes in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You've noticed that the cops rarely look up. You've been

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Speaker 1: feeding your intel into a surveillance database shared on a

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Speaker 1: telegram channel ran by some various activists. After lying in

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Speaker 1: bed gathering your thoughts for a few minutes, you finally

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00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: roll out and pick out your clothes. Dark loose pants,

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Speaker 1: a plane shirt, beanie, and a high his jacket. Ordinarily,

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00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you'd break into your red bull stache for morning caffeine,

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Speaker 1: but you've already got plenty of energy. Today it's your

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Speaker 1: boyfriend's birthday, and for the past week you've been planning

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Speaker 1: to surprise him. You think there's finally enough information in

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Speaker 1: the surveillance database to plan a trip across town with

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00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: little to no law enforcement interaction. Between the in person

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Speaker 1: reconnaissance and hacking into the city's traffic cams, which was

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Speaker 1: surprisingly easy, you've been able to figure out a route

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Speaker 1: using city buses and on foot that should be able

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Speaker 1: to avoid checkpoints and the regular patrol routes from what

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Speaker 1: you've seen online. Bus drivers won't ask for your work

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Speaker 1: authorization card, and you're hoping the highvis jacket will make

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Speaker 1: it look like you belong. Lastly, before you leave, you

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00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: grab your small yellow messenger bag and jam in a

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Speaker 1: water bottle plus a ten of a half a dozen cupcakes.

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Speaker 1: Deep breaths, slowly twist the handle of your door and

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Speaker 1: stare down in your apartment hallway. You're on your way,

842
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: you keep telling yourself, just act like you belong. After

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00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: taking the stairs down to ground level, you make your

844
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: way street side. This part you feel more confident about.

845
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Speaker 1: You've been able to study the patrol patterns around your

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Speaker 1: media area more carefully. The bus stop you're going to

847
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Speaker 1: is just four blocks away. You can zig zig through

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Speaker 1: two streets and to avoid the main drags. As you

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Speaker 1: walk through the sidewalks, you keep your head down, but

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Speaker 1: your eyes are darting side to side to get a

851
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Speaker 1: lay of the land. Don't walk too fast or too slow.

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Speaker 1: Match the people around you. Obviously, not many people are

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Speaker 1: out right now, but there are enough to mirror their

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Speaker 1: movement and pace. It feels like it took forever, but

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Speaker 1: you get to the bus stop without incident or seeing

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Speaker 1: a single cop waiting at bus stops. It feels like

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Speaker 1: an eternity, but today it's worse. Within a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: the blue metro bus does pull up. The bus driver

859
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: gestures you want The electronic ticketing system isn't turned on.

860
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: You peek up to the driver. The look in her

861
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: eyes is telling you just a head on back. At

862
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: least you know she's probably on your side. You picked

863
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: this bus not because it's the most direct route to

864
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: your boyfriend's place. It's not, but because he gets you

865
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: close enough while avoiding the checkpoints you and your internet

866
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: buddies have mapped out. It's a slower, more jagged route,

867
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: but at least you get to relax for a while

868
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: and enjoy the ride. And hey, you can get an

869
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: in person look at the rest of the city under

870
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: the curfew and police occupation. The ride is now closing

871
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: in on a little over half an hour, About ten

872
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: more minutes until you get off. Your heart's racing you

873
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: might actually do this. In your flash of nervous excitement,

874
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: you look up ahead on the road and your face drops.

875
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: About half a mile up ahead, you spot a checkpoint.

876
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: Fuck no, this, this is wrong. This wasn't on the map.

877
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: The checkpoint on this street was supposed to be further

878
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: up the road. After you get off, your mind flashes

879
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: through different possibilities. Did the cops change the checkpoint this morning? Wait?

880
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: Did the police find the database map on telegram? And

881
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: are getting at false info? You stop yourself from thinking.

882
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: Because you realize you need to act now and think later.

883
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: You jump out of your seat and sprint up the

884
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: bus towards the driver. You blurt out, I need to

885
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: get off this right now. Please. The driver looks ahead,

886
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: looks at you, and tilts her head down and pulls

887
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: over quick. That's all she says to you. You dart

888
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: out of the bus and into the half residential, half

889
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: retail labyrinth, and as you're running, you hear sirens. Fuck

890
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: they saw you. Your head swivels around to catch a glance.

891
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: One car from the checkpoint is headed your way. You

892
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: hope the bus driver doesn't get in trouble, but right

893
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: now that's not your problem, you think. First thing you

894
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: need to do is prevent the vehicle from pursuing you.

895
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: So off the big streets. You take a second to

896
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: tighten the messenger bag around your body. And here we

897
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: go to You're right. You see a walled courtyard for

898
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: a small two story apartment. Estimate the wall is eight

899
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: feet tall. Doable. You turn out the street and run

900
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: towards the wall, slowly gaining speed, jump up and plunch

901
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: your foot on the side. Then your arms reach up

902
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: and grab the top. It's a bit of a struggle

903
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: to pull yourself up. You've got some stuff weighing you

904
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: down and you're a bit out of practice, but you

905
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: get up. You hop down onto the other side and

906
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: keep going for now. You barrow through some dense bushes

907
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: and vault a few small railings as you traverse the

908
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: side streets. Soon enough you're far enough away from the car,

909
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: with plenty of obstacles in between you and it that

910
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: you feel like you can catch a quick breather. Now

911
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: you have a choice hide it out here for a

912
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: bit or figure out a way to your boyfriends. You

913
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: still got a decent sense of where you are. The

914
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: destination should be only about ten blocks away. Now, in

915
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: a diagonal direction, you'll get plenty of time to rest

916
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: your boyfriend's place, so you figure you should continue on.

917
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: As you're about to head on your way to armored

918
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: state troopers turned the corner on foot. You remember you're

919
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: still pretty close to the checkpoint. One look at you

920
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: with your hands on your knees. As you pant, the

921
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: cops know you're out of place. Stop, yells the cop.

922
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: You're being detained. Fuck time to book it, gonna have

923
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: to think as you run, good news is is that

924
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: they're in armor. Bad news is that you're tired and

925
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: your outfit is blown. You can change clothes once you

926
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: get to your boyfriends, so you decide the best course

927
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: of action now is to make it hard for two

928
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: people in armor to follow you. Time to put some

929
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: obstacles between you and them. You're already mostly out of

930
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: the retail area, which means it's time to hop some

931
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: backyard fencees Ferris Bueller's Day Off Shit. You make a

932
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: sharp left turn behind the car and into someone's yard,

933
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,479
Speaker 1: up and over their fence. One hand grabs on top,

934
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: one hand goes to the far side, and you flip

935
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: your body over. Next few fences are shorter, regular speed

936
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: vaults will do. The sound of the clinky tactle boots

937
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: chasing you gets quieter as you traverse through the yards

938
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: and zig zigging around blocks. Before you know it, you're

939
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: on the back street of your partner's place. Only a

940
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: few more steps and you can see their backyard in

941
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: the distance. You quick to in your head and look around.

942
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: From what you can see, you've lost the State troopers.

943
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: You scurry through four more yards before you reach your target.

944
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 1: You let it a sigh of relief. You jogged past

945
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: the side yard towards the front. You probably should use

946
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: the front door before you knock. You take a look

947
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: inside your messenger bag. You unclipped the latch, and inside

948
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: lies a smashed pile of cupcake crumbs with pink frosting

949
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: coating the insides of your bag. Well, at least I

950
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: made it in one piece, you say out loud. After

951
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: an exhausting trek, you finally knock on the door. It

952
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: could happen in here podcast. Robert Evans. Sophie is not

953
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: here today, so I get to open the episode with

954
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: a tonal grunting um because she was unable to stop me. Uh,

955
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast that this is talking about things

956
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: falling apart? How to you know, make it not? Maybe? Uh?

957
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: My guest today, well, my my co host today. First

958
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: is Garrison Davis. Garrison, how you doing today? I'm doing

959
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: good good. We have a little bit of a fun update.

960
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: This actually happened last week, but this will be the

961
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: first episode we're recording since it happened. Um last week.

962
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: We put up some links to ago fund me and

963
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: a couple of different episodes of Bastards and of It

964
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: could happen here to try to help a woman named

965
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: Ruba who lives in Portland, UM and is a community

966
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: activists save her house. UM. When we started the fundraiser,

967
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: she'd raised about twenty eight grand to to you know,

968
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: get basically keep her home. UM, and it's up to

969
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: the fifty grand she needed. Y'all did that in about

970
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: three days. UM. So you've you've you've kept a woman

971
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: in her home UM and allowed her and her family

972
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: to stay where they are. And I'm just extremely grateful

973
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: to everybody who donated, who shared, UM, it's just awesome. UM.

974
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: You know this comes after earlier in this year you

975
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: all funded the Portland Diaper Bank. UM. I just continue

976
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: to be very impressed with with how how much people

977
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: who listen to these shows are willing to throw down

978
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: to help people out. So thank you all. UH. And

979
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: now I'm going to hand it off to Garrison. Garrison,

980
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: what are we? What are we? What are we? What

981
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: are we? What are we? What are we talking about? Today?

982
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: So today we're gonna be talking about and discussing two

983
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: of kind of my favorite practical skill sets. Hey been

984
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: training for I don't know seven eight, I think almost

985
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: eight years now Um, and it's what, yeah, one of

986
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: one of my favorite interests. It's useful very practically. It's

987
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: also useful for fun. We're talking about uh parkour, which

988
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: people may have heard me discussed before, but also just

989
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of like stealth in general, UM, and how to

990
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: be mindful of your presence among other people. UM. As

991
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: a big, clumsy guy who's worked extensively with you in

992
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: aggressive situations, I can confirm that your parkour is very,

993
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: very effective because you are a fast little set of

994
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: a bitch, very good at getting away from the cops

995
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: and getting to where you need to be. At the

996
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: film things, it was always, um kind of amazing, as

997
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: frustrating as it was sometimes when you would when you

998
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: would start out ahead of everybody, but I can't argue

999
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: with the results. So and to help us kind of

1000
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: talk about Parkorn stealth, I have brought on a friend

1001
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: of mine who is the person who mostly taught me

1002
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: UM Parker and stealth, my friend Rick, who has been

1003
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: teaching Parker for a long time. UM, say hi, Rick,

1004
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: that that that's right. Rick is very uh not super social,

1005
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: so it's I think it's amazing that I was able

1006
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: to convince him to come in a podcast pretty funny. Um.

1007
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: First off, Rick, do you want to kind of just

1008
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: like give your definition of like Parker in general, because

1009
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: I know whenever we say Parker, everyone just thinks to

1010
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: the office, um, which I know you find frustrating. But yeah,

1011
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: for people who maybe aren't as into it as us,

1012
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: don't want just give the kind of a brief overview

1013
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: of of Parker as like a concept. Uh, Parker is

1014
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: a really annoying concept to actually pin down. UM. But

1015
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: basically speaking, it's movement with purpose. You are somewhere, you

1016
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: want to get somewhere, and you're trying to find the

1017
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: best way of doing that. When we're training, we kind

1018
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: of focus on efficiency, safety, speed, and the reason behind

1019
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: the movement. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's thinking of it

1020
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: more as like the movement with purpose or like like

1021
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: intentional move meant um is much better than thinking of

1022
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: it's like like parkour isn't like flips. Like flips and

1023
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is more of what we call

1024
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: like um, free running. It's it's more of like a

1025
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: creative expression. It's more of like a kind of kind

1026
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: of like a sport where it's like parkorse more usually,

1027
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean there's always gonna people that are going to

1028
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: fight you on this in the park work in the

1029
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: Parker community, but it's generally Parker is kind of more

1030
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: based on utility. So like last last summer at the protests,

1031
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: I I I used you know, Parker in a lot

1032
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: of different ways, both to like you know, get somewhere

1033
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: specifically or park Horse grade. It is like a recovery tool,

1034
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: like if you get pushed over by cops. Um, park

1035
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: Work could be very useful for like getting up very fast.

1036
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's like all that kind of more practical

1037
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: side of things. And I've used Parker you know before

1038
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: I was doing filming at different kind of activism related

1039
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: type things. It's just it's a super useful skill to have, UM.

1040
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: And today I wanted to talk talk a bit about

1041
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: like Parkorse practical application in you know, conflict ish scenarios,

1042
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: but also wanted to touch on stealth UM as you know,

1043
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't need Parker and if you can avoid

1044
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: a scenario where you have to use it would be

1045
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of great. So I've asked Rick to kind of

1046
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: prepare a few things on stealth, which then we'll kind

1047
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: of you know, bounce off each other and talk kind

1048
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: of a general discussion of Parker and stealth in general

1049
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: and how it relates to kind of conflict scenarios. Um. So, Rick,

1050
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: where would you like to start for you know, a

1051
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: stealth overview. Well, in conflict with other people, there's like

1052
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: three different levels of the conflict um and all of

1053
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: these get trained in different places. Usually there's the actual

1054
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: um like conflict. The combat, which is more of a

1055
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: martial arts or gun training or weapon training of any

1056
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: kind as well, compares you for that beneath that is

1057
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: the Parker level, where you can avoid getting into the

1058
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: conflict in the first place. If you can get away

1059
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: from the situation. Yeah, if you're more of an arm's

1060
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: length of way, then you can create more distance between

1061
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: you and someone it's trying to hurt you. And in

1062
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: nine percent of conflict situations, that's going to be a

1063
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: better self defense option than literally any weapon you could carry.

1064
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: Getting the hell away is always the preferred There's there's

1065
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: there's a really good comic um It's it's like it's

1066
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a like like a comedy

1067
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: comic of like someone someone trying to get into like

1068
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: a knife fight and you're just like, nope, I'm running

1069
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 1: away because there's no there's no winner in a knife fight.

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01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: The only way to win a knife fight is to

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01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: be oh far away from someone with a knife. Yeah,

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01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean literally, Again, the only justified situation I can

1073
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: think of to physically getting into a knife fight is

1074
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: like what happened on the Portland Max train. When someone

1075
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: else can't get away, Yeah, you're still gonna stick them.

1076
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: And the two guys who did that died. They died.

1077
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um, not that they did the wrong thing,

1078
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: they did the only thing they could. But that's what

1079
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: a knife it is. So yeah, it's being able to

1080
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: get the funk away as the best self defense. Yeah.

1081
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: I carry weapons with me wherever I go, but I

1082
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: don't want to ever use them. My first response is

1083
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: always going to be look for an escape path. Yeah yeah.

1084
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: A weapon is only for if you can't get away

1085
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: or if someone else can't get away. So pretty much

1086
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, well yeah, I've always been interested because again

1087
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: I've watched you know, Garrison hop away from cops over

1088
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: fences where I had to like, you know, fall over

1089
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: the fence, essentially because I'm not nearly as good. I'm

1090
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: someone who exercises. But like number one, is it even

1091
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: possible to like learn this stuff without fucking your thirty

1092
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: three year old body up a bunch in the process.

1093
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: That's a lot of scared of is like over sixty,

1094
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: and he's good, very good. He's actually like one of

1095
01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: my high intermediate, low advanced students, honestly, and he started

1096
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: when he was like fifty. How do you uh, I

1097
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: mean like it it just seems like injury, I guess

1098
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: because my my my stereotypical view of it is like

1099
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of jumping up on buildings and leaping over

1100
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: stuff like, um, it seems like injuries would be a

1101
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: pretty common fact. Um. So I guess that's kind of

1102
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: like always been my first concern there, like how do

1103
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: you how do you how do you train people to

1104
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: do this stuff with a minimum of risk? Well, that's

1105
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of always the focus of my teaching. There certainly

1106
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: are other instructors out there, like the guy who taught

1107
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: me Parker was basically this is a con vault. This

1108
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: is what it looks like. Do it my training? Like

1109
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: I sucked at Parker when I started, So my teaching

1110
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: method has been coming at this as a sort of Okay,

1111
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to break this down into as many

1112
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: pieces as I can, and I'm going to try to

1113
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: keep you completely safe. Um, Bumps and bruises do happen

1114
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: when you're training park or that's just unavoidable. It's learning

1115
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: how to do walking but fancy so you get bruised

1116
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: when you're learning how to walk. You get bruised when

1117
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: you're learning every technique in parker. But I've been doing

1118
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 1: it for fourteen years now and I've never broken any

1119
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: of my bones. If you do it right, you shouldn't

1120
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: be able to stay safe when training you. Definitely, if

1121
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: you can get someone who's more experienced, getting them to

1122
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: break down steps for you is very useful, whether that

1123
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: be like a park or gym in your area or

1124
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: just like a friend that that's that's been that's been

1125
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: messing around trying to like train with somebody is probably

1126
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: one of the most important things, um, is to have

1127
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: someone else there both if you want to get hurt

1128
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: and need help, but to to kind of prevent to

1129
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: help prevent that from even happening in the first place.

1130
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of like very simple moves that

1131
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: can be introduced in very safe environments. I've I've I've

1132
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: been wanting to get Roberts down to the gym for

1133
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: like over a year now just to go over like

1134
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: a few basic kind of stuff that's just really really useful,

1135
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: pretty and like pretty easy. Like we're not we're not

1136
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: jumping to like you know, doing like roof topping right

1137
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: where we're like jumping from one roof to another. We're

1138
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: starting by we're starting by being like, here's like a

1139
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: concrete barricade. What's the safest way of getting over this

1140
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: if you're under pressure? Right? It's it's it's it's that

1141
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that's specifically useful and like conflict scenarios, right,

1142
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: because like when we're when we're facing in a riot line,

1143
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be doing like flips and cart wheels

1144
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: to like get over fences. I'm trying to be like,

1145
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: what's the safest, fastest way I can get over this thing? Well,

1146
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: making sure I'm not going to get like shot with

1147
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: the rubber bullet, right, that's kind of it's it's, it's,

1148
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very different from like what you see on YouTube, right,

1149
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: YouTube is very like showy people are like trying to

1150
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: like basically when what you see on YouTube is people

1151
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: are doing people are doing like a choreographic performance, whereas

1152
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: Parker from a utility standpoint is very different from what

1153
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: you see online. Yeah, and that's one of the things

1154
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: that we try to train too when we're training Parkore

1155
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: is we just give ourselves an environment and say, okay,

1156
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm going now, yeah, and like do it over and

1157
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: over again and try to figure out what's the best

1158
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: way of getting over this specific path. Right if you

1159
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: can like make a designed path, be like, you know,

1160
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: even doing this at like a playground or like any

1161
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: any place with like logs, you know, you can do

1162
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Parker in the forest and stuff. Be like I'm just

1163
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: like set this path and experiment with how many ways

1164
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: can I move through this kind of set set of obstacles, um,

1165
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: And you can kind of figure out Parker on your own,

1166
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: on in in in that kind of way, because because

1167
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: your body knows what it's gonna do, Like, you know,

1168
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: people have been moving like this for thousands and thousands

1169
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: of years. It's only in the past few hundred years

1170
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: where we have like kind of lost this ability or

1171
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like become it's become less necessary. So like we

1172
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: we know how to interact with our environment in creative ways,

1173
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: like we we we know how to do this. Um,

1174
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: it's just that, you know, we the past, the past

1175
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: few centuries, it's been less important. And I think Parker

1176
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: is really fun because you can kind of rediscover interacting

1177
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: with your environment in these, you know, kind of more

1178
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: wild ways. It's something that we all do as children,

1179
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: just like evolutionarily. For some reason, as children we do

1180
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: this as play. We climb trees and we try to

1181
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: go over fences. It's just that something in our society

1182
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: has made a shift so that when we become adults,

1183
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: it's suddenly not acceptable for us to do this anymore. Yeah.

1184
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I can remember when I was a little

1185
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: kid growing up on the farm. We had a bullpen

1186
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: because we kept the bowl away from the cows, and

1187
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: my my cousin and I would hop over the fence

1188
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: and we would throw stuff at the bowl and then

1189
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: when it started to charge, we would hop back over

1190
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: the fence. I mean, obviously I'd never do that today

1191
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: because it's mean to throw things at a bowl. I

1192
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: was six, But also I couldn't physically hop over the

1193
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: fence that way today. But I'm guessing within Like, I

1194
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,839
Speaker 1: don't know, even just like a few hours of practice,

1195
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: you could figure out a lot of ways together. I

1196
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,520
Speaker 1: could be back to fucking with bowls. Is what exactly?

1197
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,879
Speaker 1: You don't need to kiss kiss the bull fucking goodbye?

1198
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: You can? We can. We can go back to this.

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01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: We could go I could, I could return to tradition. Yes, exactly,

1200
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: what is the degree of this that can be done without? Again,

1201
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: like you know we have we have a wide variety

1202
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: of income levels that listen to this show, Um, what

1203
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: is the degree this can be done without like paying

1204
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: for training? You know that? Like, like, how is it

1205
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: even possible to like start on this kind of thing

1206
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: if you're in reasonable shape, you know, on your own

1207
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: without paying someone? Because that that seems like a recipe

1208
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: for breaking something to me. But again, I don't know.

1209
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. Ship It is very much about knowing

1210
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: yourself and knowing what you're ready for. Uh, this was

1211
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: something I mean I say that I never broke a

1212
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: bone in my training, but there were a couple of

1213
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: times I started pushing myself further than I should have,

1214
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: and it would have been really good to have someone

1215
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: there to say, hey, you probably not ready for this.

1216
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: Yet let's break this down into little pieces. But if

1217
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: you come at it methodically and you don't endanger yourself

1218
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: too much, what I started out with Parker is I

1219
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: would just put a piece of tape on the ground

1220
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: and another piece of tape and jump from one piece

1221
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: of tape to the other. And went out to parking

1222
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: lots and jumped from just an arbitrary pebble to the

1223
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: curb on the parking lot and found some just railings

1224
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: and learned how to go over those railings safely, and

1225
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: gradually just started building up to higher and higher things.

1226
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: You always want to start at ground level when you're

1227
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: training parkers. Don't go up to high places for your

1228
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: first thing. Yeah. I think there there's a lot of

1229
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: like instructional videos on YouTube too that that are not

1230
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: just like showing off. It's actually people trying to like

1231
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: break down movements. So you can like get find a

1232
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: specific video and be like, Okay, I want to, you know,

1233
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: bring this on my phone, go out into like a playground,

1234
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: a parking lot, like like a wooded area, and be like, okay,

1235
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: this is this is this one vault. I'mnn watch the

1236
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: video and I'm gonna try to replicate it myself. That's

1237
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: really the the kind of easiest, cheapest way to kind

1238
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: of break that down without having to you know, pay

1239
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: someone tons of money. Um. You know, if Parker classes

1240
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: aren't the most expensive thing. Um. So that's if you

1241
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: do have a little bit of disposable income. I I

1242
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: like park Wor classes. I did them for a long time,

1243
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: but there was a certain point actually that like I

1244
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: couldn't afford classes anymore. And luckily I've been doing park

1245
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: wore enough at that point that I was able to

1246
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: become an assistant instructor, which means I've got like a

1247
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: free I got like a free membership in exchange for

1248
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, helping out in classes, like a few hours

1249
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: a week. So that's what that's what I did for

1250
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: years when I couldn't afford classes. Is it's just help

1251
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: is help teach, which I mean eventually I got leveled

1252
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: up to being like a full time instructor. Um. So

1253
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: that is kind of the other way is you know,

1254
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: once you get enough stuff, there are you know, there's

1255
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: there's ways canna like make friends who know more Parker

1256
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: than you. You can do you know, outdoor training with them,

1257
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: which can be free. Um. But if you if you

1258
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: do really want like a like a gym environment, there

1259
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: is the ways of making class. It's not the most

1260
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: expensive thing. There's online groups that schedule meetups every now

1261
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: and then, so if you can find an online group

1262
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: in your area, you can go to one of their

1263
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: meetups and ask for advice. Not everyone's going to give

1264
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: the best advice. There are some people in the park

1265
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: or community who are always pushing their boundaries. They'll be

1266
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: in a cast half of the time. Um, the more

1267
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: advanced people, yeah, they generally, so always take advice with

1268
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. Not everyone knows everything, and no

1269
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: one knows your body as well as you do. So

1270
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: you've got to keep yourself safe above everything else. You

1271
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: can't get better at park or if you break both

1272
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,560
Speaker 1: of your legs. Yeah, that's always so a couple of

1273
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: questions here. Number one would be, obviously, I don't expect

1274
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: you know, like somebody's in Michigan or whatever. I don't

1275
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: expect you to know the best parkour instructor there. But

1276
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: if somebody is looking at going the gym route, are

1277
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: there kind of some hard and fast rules for determining

1278
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: whether or not these folks know what they're doing wing, Like,

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: is there any kind of advice you have in terms

1280
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: of picking a gym or is he just kind of

1281
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: like go into Google maps and see see where the

1282
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: parkouri be. That's a little bit tough because especially since COVID,

1283
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: there's not many options for park origins out there. Um,

1284
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: my best advice would be go and if they let

1285
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: you just watch a class and see what's going on. Um,

1286
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: see how many people have casts? Yeah, yeah, back when

1287
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: I was learning parkour originally we would have basically two

1288
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: people in a cast all the time, just for the class. Yeah,

1289
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the guy that I was trying

1290
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: to keep up with the whole times span three stints

1291
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: in a cast. Yeah, just funny because I've never got

1292
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: a serious injury ever. I was. I was always more

1293
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: careful in my training. But like the most I've gotten

1294
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: is like is like you know, like bruises and stuff.

1295
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: I've I've I've and I got to a relatively high

1296
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: level of parker like if years ago only took classes

1297
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: from me, But focus was always on breaking things down

1298
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: and making them accessible and safe. True. True, yeah, yeah,

1299
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: but there is there's definitely people who are more who

1300
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: are more carefree with their body and okay with hurting

1301
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: themselves to do something cool. Yeah, and some people will

1302
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: get away with that. So for folks who are there

1303
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: don't have the financial means to go to a gym

1304
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: where there's just nothing in their area, because as you've said,

1305
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: there's a plague. Um, if people are gonna you've given

1306
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: some advice on like how to start trying yourself. Are

1307
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: there any specific online resources you would recommend to folks

1308
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: who are you know, looking to get on unless on

1309
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: their own dip their toes in? Um, you know, YouTube

1310
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: channels or or people who you know do good like

1311
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: writing breakdowns, anything that you would, uh, you would push

1312
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: folks towards. I haven't been up to date on it recently. UM.

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01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: A lot of the videos out there are garbage. UM.

1314
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: What I recommend you look for is you look for,

1315
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: first of all, explanation. UM. Second of all, if you

1316
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: can find videos of someone who's training something and they

1317
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: fail to do the move that they're trying to do correctly,

1318
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: and they fail to do the move that they're trying

1319
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: to do correctly, they fail and fail and fail and

1320
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: fail and then succeed. Mhm. That's an honest video. That's

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: one that I would listen to more because they understand

1322
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: the process. The other videos out there are sort of

1323
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: greatest hits compilations and you don't get to see the

1324
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: whole process that goes into that. So I don't have

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01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: a sense. I don't have any specific person or channel

1326
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: to recommend. But when you're going out there and looking

1327
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: for resources, just make sure that the person is putting

1328
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: some understanding into the fact that this is the process

1329
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: of training and it's not just this is how it's done.

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01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: Do it now, you can do it. There is there

1331
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: is a there's a Parkore wiki which was like you know,

1332
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: Parkore dot fandom dot com that you can you can

1333
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: find like just like lists of all of the moves

1334
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: and they give you very like simple explanations of them,

1335
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: and they and they link to some videos, um and

1336
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: generally like if if you just want to learn more

1337
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: about it, then that's then that can be a good resource,

1338
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: just so you're familiar with all the different types of movement.

1339
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, like make sure you take every video with

1340
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: a grain of salt, and you know, watch other watch

1341
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: other people's explanations and be like, Okay, I kind of

1342
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: like the way this person describes it versus this person,

1343
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: because you know, everyone teaches differently. Everyone teaches for kind

1344
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: of you know, different differently body types for different like

1345
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, body like performance models. Um. So you know,

1346
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 1: because you can't just apply the same thing to everyone

1347
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: because everyone's everyone is different. But you know, the Parkore

1348
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: wiki is a decent resource. Um. And then you know

1349
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: there's YouTube is especially since since the two thousands there's

1350
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: been a plethora of content, most of most of it bad,

1351
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: but you know there's lots to at least look for.

1352
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: All right, Um, anything else you wanted to get into, Yeah,

1353
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of branch off of like the

1354
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: parkour discussion into kind of like, uh, the more kind

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: of stealth based discussion of of kind of being aware

1356
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: of your presence in relation to other people and recond

1357
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: I know you were talking about like the different levels

1358
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: of stealthy. So you've got the combat training which prevents

1359
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: you from getting killed or captured in uh, the worst

1360
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: of scenarios, and then we have Parkore that you can

1361
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: use to prevent the combat in the first place, and

1362
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: stealth is what you use to prevent the chase from

1363
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: happening in the first place. It's kind of a tree

1364
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: of I really don't want to have to fight someone,

1365
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: so I'm going to run away instead. I really don't

1366
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: want to have to run away from someone, so I'm

1367
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: just going to try and not to be noticed by

1368
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: them instead. And that's been a lot of what my

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01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: training in Parker has been focused around is just stay

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: deescalated as possible with everything. Yeah, because we me and

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: Rick have focused most of our PARKOURD training on on

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: stealth UM as opposed to being you know, super strong

1373
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: or super powerful UM. And stealth always a really hard

1374
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: concept to talk about because it's kind of like nebulous

1375
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: in nature, because stealth isn't being invisible, right, It's it's

1376
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: not it's not being totally unnoticed. It's want. It's it's

1377
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: it's wanting to craft the way you're seen in a

1378
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: specific way. Yeah. Um, it's always been very difficult for

1379
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: me to explain what stealth is. The most recent definition

1380
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: that I've given for it is that everything that you do,

1381
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: everything that you are, gives off a certain amount of

1382
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: noise and a certain type of noise. So the way

1383
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: that you dress, you can dress in a very loud

1384
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: way with the hive is day glow, colors um something

1385
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: that makes you really easy to notice. But if you're

1386
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,839
Speaker 1: in the right environment, that might be the right type

1387
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: of noise to be making to blend into a crowd.

1388
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: Like a three piece suit is also a very loud

1389
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: outfit to wear, but if you're on the streets of

1390
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: New York, that's normal. If you come into a park

1391
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: origin wearing a three piece suit, it's very abnormal. So

1392
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: that's not the right type of noise if you're trying

1393
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: to blend in there. Yeah, a lot of it's about

1394
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of constructing the way people see you based on

1395
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: what environment you're in and who you're trying to remain

1396
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: undetected from, right, Because I mean they were like not

1397
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: even necessarily undetected, but just detected in a specific way

1398
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: because people eyes. People's eyes can glaze over a lot

1399
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff. If if just that the

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01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: right puzzle pieces are put into their brain, that it's

1401
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: like nothing nothing to see here. Every everything is normal,

1402
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: nothing not nothing to be alerted, right, because what you're

1403
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: trying to do is prevent someone from being like alerted

1404
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: to your presence. That is kind of the main thing.

1405
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: So you can be within someone's sitelines, but the way

1406
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: that you're dressed, the way that you're moving, the way

1407
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: that you hold yourself fails to get their attention. They're

1408
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: subconscious registers that you're there, but it doesn't register consciously

1409
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: to them that you're there. It's the gray Man stuff

1410
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: that we were talking about with Chelsea, which again there's

1411
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: very frustrating chutty dimension to it. But the the original idea,

1412
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: before it got taken over as an entire fashion aesthetic,

1413
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: was if you're prepared, if you're if you're going to

1414
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: make yourself prepared for badge situations, you don't want to

1415
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: wear a bunch of tactical gear. You don't want to

1416
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: be dressed in like five combat pants. You don't want

1417
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,879
Speaker 1: to be carrying like military backpacks and like the cargo

1418
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: pants with the you know, clearly bulging with weaponry. You

1419
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: don't want to be open carrying a gun. You want

1420
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: to be dressed, however, is going to least to least

1421
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: set you apart from the crowd, And that is, as

1422
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: you said, kind of vary. No, it's not a matter

1423
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: of like wearing all gray or wearing all black. Um,

1424
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: you're in downtown Salt Lake City, you know, a black

1425
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: hoodie and jeans might stand out more than it does

1426
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: if you're in downtown San Francisco, in which case you're

1427
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna look like a million other people. I mean, and generally,

1428
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: if you're trying to avoid being seen, I recommend against

1429
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: wearing black basically at at all times, especially if you're

1430
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: trying to remain like actually invisible at night. You don't

1431
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: want to wear black because black is usually too dark. Um,

1432
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 1: you you want to wear like darker blues or darker greens. Um. Yeah,

1433
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: generally black is should be avoided. Um. Of course, like

1434
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: black block is a whole separate thing because black block

1435
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: are trying to remain anonymous within a crowd context. But

1436
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of cases, you don't want

1437
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: to be in black block at protests, or you want

1438
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: to be able to switch from black block to what

1439
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: we call like normy block very quickly. So like you know,

1440
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: quick changes are another kind of form of stealth um

1441
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: that you can like practice like you you can you

1442
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: can just practice doing quick changes, like in your apartment,

1443
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: be like, how fast can I get from this outfit

1444
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: to this outfit? Um? In like a small space, right,

1445
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: you can? You can you can practice these even like

1446
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: outside but specifically for like black block, changing both in

1447
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: and out of is a skill that needs to be practiced. Um.

1448
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: But overall, I think like there's a lot of other

1449
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: ways of being anonymous at a protest besides actually black block, Like,

1450
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other kind of methods. Like black

1451
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: blocks are very specific tactic, but it's not a tactic

1452
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: that needs to get applied all the time. It's it's

1453
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 1: it's very you should be mindful that it has a

1454
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: lot of downsides. Um And based on what you're trying

1455
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: to do, there's a lot of other ways to dress

1456
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: that would maybe be better. Um. Yeah, yeah, it's this,

1457
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: um yeah. It's a little bit like angles of it

1458
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: are kind of what we talked about even in like

1459
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: the last week when we were talking about like storing,

1460
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: you know, food and canning food and like the value

1461
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: of paying attention to the cycle of like what is

1462
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: in stock and what is not stocked in stock during

1463
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: what seasons. It's kind of the same thing at the

1464
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 1: value of paying attention to how people dress and how

1465
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: people move and like what is a normal way to

1466
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: move about and wherever you live as opposed to like

1467
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: what stands out like it, there's a lot of value

1468
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of self defense value, and just kind

1469
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 1: of paying attention to people wherever you live and getting

1470
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,759
Speaker 1: an eye for what will stand out and what won't

1471
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,759
Speaker 1: stand out. If you're if you, if you are someone

1472
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: for whom being able to blend in is something you

1473
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: see value in, you know? Yeah, Rick, do do Do

1474
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: you have any things kind of on that side of

1475
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: things or any like exercises people can do to improve

1476
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: their own personal stealth. Yeah, it's very very situational. You

1477
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: have to sort of study many different environments. The biggest

1478
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: advice that I give people for stealth all the time is, um,

1479
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: pay attention. You have to pay attention to the smallest

1480
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: details when I'm even just moving around my house, like

1481
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: the bathroom door lock. Um, when you twist the lock,

1482
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: the button pops out and makes a huge noise. I

1483
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: actually place my thomb over it and deaden the sound

1484
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: as I'm doing it. And I pay attention to the

1485
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: kind of noise that I make in every situation and

1486
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: try to minimize that as much as possible. I pay

1487
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: attention to which parts of my house make noise when

1488
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: you step on them, and avoid those places, um I UM. Basically,

1489
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: just pay attention to every noise that my body makes,

1490
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: that my environment makes as I'm moving through it. Also,

1491
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention and study other people in

1492
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: different environments. You can go to a grocery store and

1493
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: watch the body language of the moms who are shopping

1494
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: with their kids, so that the people that normally you

1495
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't pay attention to pay attention to them because they're

1496
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: doing a good job of blending in if you're not

1497
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: normally paying attention to them, and then try to start

1498
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: mimicking their body language. What I'll do when I go

1499
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: out is I don't directly look at anyone, but I

1500
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: paying attention to if I'm being paid attention to give

1501
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: myself that own that conscious feedback and say, hey, I

1502
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: wasn't all that stealthy this time, I kind of stuck out. Yeah,

1503
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: practicing your peripheral vision is definitely useful for that. I

1504
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: mean in terms of exercises. Yeah, just go into like

1505
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: parks or the places where there's a lot of people

1506
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: and like people watching and trying to figure out who

1507
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: does your eyes glaze over the most and what what

1508
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: are they doing to cause that. I think one one

1509
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: thing that me and Rick have talked about before is

1510
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: like every part of your body points somewhere, like whether

1511
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: that be your eyes, your nose, your chin, your arms,

1512
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: your hips, your chest, your hands, all of these things

1513
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: point in a direction. And if you can figure out

1514
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: which direction, you can point them to make people pay

1515
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: less attention to you. That's kind of one of the

1516
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: easier models understanding how to like walk and move in

1517
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: a stealthy manner that I think like out of all

1518
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: the different ways of thinking about and I think that's

1519
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: the way that's helped me the most. Um. It's being like,

1520
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, if if my head is pointed up and

1521
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: my nose is pointed out and I'm moving my arms

1522
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: around a lot, that's people are gonna like like look

1523
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: at me more. You know, people if if if if

1524
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: eye contact is made, that is like a failure. So

1525
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: you know, if your head's pointed down, your arms are

1526
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: more slouched, they kind of move with your body, but

1527
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: that's not super exaggerated and it's not super stiff. These

1528
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: are different kind of ways of pointing your body to

1529
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: make you seem more like UM introspective UM and less external.

1530
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 1: Also walking around with UM ear plugs or like like

1531
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: like uh, earbuds, ear phones. Those are ways people will

1532
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: pay attention to class to you look at your smartphone. Yeah,

1533
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: one of the back when we back when I took

1534
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: classes with you and taught classes, we we would we

1535
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: would we would have like a weekly a weekly games

1536
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: class um where we'd have different you know games and

1537
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: related to Parkore and you know, stealth would always kind

1538
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: of be something I would try to do. And you

1539
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: could survive so long in stealth games by just like

1540
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: looking like pretending that you're looking at your phone, like

1541
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: not even actually doing it, just like walking in like

1542
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: a circle around like walking in a circle around the

1543
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: arena as people are trying to like tag and stuff.

1544
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: And if you can just like walk with your head

1545
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: down kind of slowly, you can strive a ridiculously long

1546
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: time because people are looking for people that are like

1547
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,879
Speaker 1: running around and being like and being super energy energetic,

1548
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: and if you're not, people aren't detecting you as much.

1549
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: Another thing to practice would be quiet walking, which is

1550
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: we kind of mentioned before. It's like learning how to

1551
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: move your foot and interact with different surfaces that makes

1552
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: your walking basically silent, which is very fun because you

1553
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: can use this to scare your friends. It's it's it's

1554
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: it's it's very exciting to to to to to like

1555
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: try to try to figure out what's what's ways I

1556
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: can hide in my friend's house to like jump scare them,

1557
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: or like kind of like how close can I get

1558
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 1: behind someone with with with without them noticing that. There'd

1559
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: be times I can just like walk up behind someone

1560
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: and wait, like I kid you, not like ten minutes

1561
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: before they noticed I was there. It's hilarious. Um. I

1562
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: feel even better when I can do that to their

1563
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: pets because generally the animals are paying more attention to everything.

1564
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: So if you can successfully sneak up on someone's cat,

1565
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: you're doing it right. Yeah. Oh man, I do really

1566
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 1: enjoy stealth, and I'll be happy to practice it more

1567
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: regularly once the plugue is over. Um, if it's over,

1568
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: Um any other kind of stealth notes that you would

1569
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: want to kind of bring up for if someone's trying

1570
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: to like get into stealth and start to start thinking

1571
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: about detection, you know, more often in their everyday life.

1572
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: It's very important that you engage in indirect observations. You

1573
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: you were talking about how everything points and One of

1574
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: the things that we subconsciously noticed the most is people's

1575
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: eyes were kind of programmed to notice eyes. So if

1576
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: you're looking directly at someone, they're probably gonna notice that

1577
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: you've noticed them. But if you're using your peripheral vision,

1578
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,480
Speaker 1: or if instead of watching them, you're watching a reflection

1579
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 1: of them, or if you're watching their shadow um, or

1580
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: you're not even looking in their direction instead you're tracking

1581
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: them by sound, it makes it so that you have

1582
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: a big one up on everyone around you. Yeah, in

1583
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: indirect observation is one of the best tools that you

1584
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: can use, um if you get really clever at it. Now,

1585
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: this this, this, this is harder because it actually if

1586
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: if you if you if you do this wrong, people, people,

1587
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: people will pay more attention to you. But you can

1588
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: get good at it to start using like your phone

1589
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: camera or even just your phone screen, because like your

1590
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: black phone screen is pretty, is pretty, is pretty reflective

1591
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: in nature, so you can use this as like a mirror. Um.

1592
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,000
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, using like phone cameras and phone screens

1593
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: as a reflective surface or or just as like a

1594
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: camera can be used in indirect observation. But you do

1595
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 1: have to be careful because if if if it looks

1596
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: like you're filming somebody, they're gonna pay so much more

1597
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: attention to you. So yeah, you have, you have. You

1598
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: have to be very careful with this method, but it

1599
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: is possible. This is how I kind of this is

1600
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 1: how I um, this is how it's like documented different

1601
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: like um not sees that rallies. If I don't want

1602
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: to be like super obvious that that I'm taking a

1603
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: picture of them, there's ways of doing indirect observation with

1604
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: my phone that I can get pictures of them from

1605
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: certain angles to be like, okay, so now now I

1606
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: can put you, I can add you to my to

1607
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: my folder of Nazis that have showed up. UM that method.

1608
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: You have to be super careful if you're surrounded by

1609
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: potentially hostile people. Anyone who's behind you is going to

1610
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: see that your phone camera is on. So it's something

1611
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: that you only want to use if people are on

1612
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: one side of you or you know, you keep you

1613
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: you you use your body as a shield for certain

1614
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: for certain like angles be tricky the hoodie and uh

1615
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: increase your odds of success with that. But but but

1616
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: most often I would recommend against this method, especially if

1617
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: you're just starting out because it is it is a

1618
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: lot more risky. UM. But when it does work, I

1619
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: can come in very handy. But but more often than not,

1620
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: using using like reflections like windows, mirrors, you know, like

1621
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: a car, windows, puddles on the ground, shadows, sound, all

1622
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: of these different methods of observing someone without looking directly

1623
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: at them are generally much much safer UM and they

1624
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: can be very useful for for trying to track someone

1625
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: or to be aware of what they're looking at without

1626
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: looking directly at them UM. Kind of more similar to

1627
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: like what I talked about in like the fictional opening

1628
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: we did for stealth is very dependent on what you

1629
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: know is trying to watch you write, like like how

1630
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: you need to be aware of the ways people are

1631
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: trying to detect you. Of course this canine units. It's

1632
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: very very different than just being being yeah, than being

1633
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: like chased down on foot um or you know, like

1634
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: security cameras of course, like online tracking, which we're not

1635
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: we're not really getting into today, but you know, like

1636
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: being aware of where security cameras are mapped out UM

1637
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: can be can be very useful learning to learning to

1638
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: figure out where they are without looking directly at them

1639
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: can be useful. There's a lot of cities have websites

1640
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: that like map out where where all the cameras are. Um,

1641
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: I know there's one for Portland that you can like

1642
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: map out all of the cameras in downtown and then

1643
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: you can like plan like a route through downtown that

1644
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: has no cameras watching right there. There's only there's only

1645
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: very few routes that that actually have that, but but

1646
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: they do exist. Um. So learning to move in ways

1647
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: that make cameras less able to spot you, um those

1648
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: that's definitely another kind of method of learning about stealth

1649
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: and learning about like how surveillance works looking directly at

1650
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: the camera. But that's that's that's definitely useful, which intention

1651
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: to where they are, Yeah, which plays into which plays

1652
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: into indirect observation. Um. But I mean this gets more tricky.

1653
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: We know when police are using like thermal drones. Uh,

1654
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: this is it's whole whole whole other side of things

1655
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: that it's very hard to info. Sex side of thing

1656
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 1: is hard to combat and it's yeah, there will be

1657
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: a point in time in which it becomes effectively impossible

1658
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: to the monitor for cameras. Yeah, there's like there's there's

1659
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: like a hierarchy of worry because yeah, if because if,

1660
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: like the n s they wants to find you, they will,

1661
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: but most often they're not. Like most often people are

1662
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: dealing with their local law enforcement unit. Most often people

1663
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: are not dealing with the FBI. Most people people usually

1664
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: aren't dealing with the FBI, CIA or n s A.

1665
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: If if they want to find you, they will. But

1666
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: if you can learn to only interact with your surroundings

1667
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: in a way that would only concern your local police department,

1668
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,760
Speaker 1: that's much easier too. That's much easier to kind of

1669
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: combat against, um, because it's it's way easier to hide

1670
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: from you know, your local department than it is from

1671
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 1: the n s A. All right, um, anything else? I

1672
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: think that pretty much covers everything. Yeah, I think that's

1673
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: a good that's a SDE. Great, it's a cast that

1674
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: we have potted. Um all right, Um, we got any

1675
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: any plugables here to plug at the end before we

1676
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: before we roll out me. Yeah, no, you don't find

1677
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: me alone. Don't don't find him. This is the most

1678
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: visible you've ever been. Yeah, So is there any um,

1679
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, fundraiser chair for someone else that you

1680
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: want to highlight not currently now you are you do

1681
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: try to be uh you do try to be a

1682
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 1: virtual ninja? All right, well, all plug something. One of

1683
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: our fans is putting together a graphic novel about the

1684
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: famed anarchist militant of the Spanish Civil War when even

1685
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 1: showed a Durruty. So if you just go to type

1686
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: Druty into Kickstarter, you'll find the graphic novel Kickstarter. UM

1687
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: check it out. It's cool. Yeah, and I guess other

1688
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: things I'll close with his learned to walk quietly, learn

1689
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:41,799
Speaker 1: to observe, learn to observe your surroundings. Um, keep these practice, practice,

1690
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: practice with other people. Don't don't don't do this alone.

1691
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: It's really useful to have stealth be a collaborative process

1692
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: because stealth isn't stealth isn't just by itself, isn't just

1693
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: about you. It's about you and your whole environment. Um,

1694
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: collaborate with the CVS clerk when you robbed the CVS stealthily?

1695
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: That is That is a different podcast I'm working on.

1696
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Is that how to Shop the Shoplifting Cast? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is something I will pitch very soon. Anyway, I've

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Speaker 1: had trouble getting sponsors for the shoplifting podcast. I will

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Speaker 1: tell you that. And it's difficult if you could actually

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Speaker 1: get CVS to sponsor that big shoplifting. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: are giving them a lot of free advertising. If if

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Speaker 1: if it does, if it does happen. Anyway, most people

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Speaker 1: who shoplift also spend. That's true. That is one of

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Speaker 1: the best ways to shoplift is to buy other things.

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Speaker 1: In this story, I'm seeing I'm already giving out advice. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that is how I always shoplifted. Back when I shoplifted, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: back when I did that twenty years ago. That's what.

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Speaker 1: That's how I did it as well. I feel like

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Speaker 1: if Sophie were here, she'd be trying to back pedal

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Speaker 1: right now and stop you guys. So if you support shoplifting,

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Speaker 1: this is a very pro shoplifting podcast. Anyway, that's the podcast.

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Speaker 1: is essentially a money laundering business. The best fakes are

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Speaker 1: still hanging on people's walls. You know they don't even

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Speaker 1: fast waiting on reparations would beat the podcast soon. In

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Speaker 1: every Thursday Politics and Wordplay, we fight for the people

1738
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,640
Speaker 1: because they got us in the worst way, from the

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Speaker 1: Hill Cooper, the bomb Bay to Kanya, from the left

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Speaker 1: on Clave to what the neo kanza every Thursday cop

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Speaker 1: the head compass to break us off with some break

1742
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Speaker 1: radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

1744
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 1: You were out of town when the last cop left Seattle.

1745
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,799
Speaker 1: It had been unseasonably cool that week, the seventy degrees

1746
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 1: of Old and not the n you had come to

1747
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: dread every summer. But you'd already promised you'd visit your

1748
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: family in Montana, and so when the riots started in

1749
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 1: the National Guard open fire into the crowd, you watched

1750
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: it on Twitter from your couch like everyone else. The

1751
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: Second Battle of Seattle, they were calling it. You wondered

1752
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: briefly what the first one was. They've been fighting in

1753
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Portland too, some kind of massacre in Oakland, and no

1754
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: one was quite sure what was happening in that Apple Valley.

1755
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 1: Couldn't be anything good, you thought, But it was Seattle.

1756
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: Everyone was talking about. The mayor fled the city and

1757
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 1: the helicopter when it became clear the police were losing

1758
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: after that the cops had simply broken retreated across the Cascades.

1759
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: No one knew who was running the city now, and

1760
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: you share as hell didn't want to be the one

1761
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: to find out. But after two weeks, you've burned through

1762
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: every vacation day in every favor you'd ever accumulated at

1763
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 1: the hospital, And besides, the rent was due. No one

1764
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: was sure if the postal service was even still functioning,

1765
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: and with the eviction moratorium lifted, you weren't going to

1766
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: risk getting evicted because you weren't there to hand your

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01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: landlord a check. So with rarey resignation, you pile into

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01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: your battered car and head towards snow Quality Pass. What

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01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 1: surprised you most when you hit Seattle was the art

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01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: you've been expecting. Burnt out buildings and streets filled with

1771
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: burning cars, and there were some A few streets were

1772
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: still blocked by what looked like improvised barricades, but every

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01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 1: surface of every building, it seemed, had some kind of

1774
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: mirror on it. Someone, and no one seemed to be

1775
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: quite sure who had first come up with the idea,

1776
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: had blocked off an entire street up near Capitol Hill,

1777
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: and people were painstakingly painting portraits of every protester killed

1778
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 1: in the fighting and seattle on it. As you walked past,

1779
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: they were discussing doing the same for the dead in Oakland.

1780
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 1: The second surprise came when you tried to pay your rent.

1781
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: A woman you've never seen before was sitting at the

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01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: office's reception desk. When you tried to handle your check,

1783
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: she laughed and handed it back to you, explaining that

1784
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: after the cops fled, the local tenants union had taking

1785
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 1: over most of the apartments in the city and placed

1786
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 1: them in something it called a community land Trust. You

1787
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: didn't quite get the details, but no one was going

1788
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 1: to evict you, so you decided to just take the win. Besides,

1789
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 1: your friend had convinced you to do some child care

1790
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 1: for the tenants union in college, and they always seemed

1791
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 1: like a decent sword, so it didn't seem to be

1792
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: any immediate cause for concern. The hospital was another matter.

1793
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: Entirely from what you could gather, there had been some

1794
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of labor disputween the chaos. Management seemed to have

1795
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: fired a group of nurses for giving injured protesters shelter

1796
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: from the police. Your war had already been understaffed due

1797
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:05,440
Speaker 1: to COVID and budget cuts. Now the situation was int tolerable.

1798
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: Where still many of the senior administrators had fled the

1799
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: city with the police, no one seemed to know who

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01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 1: was in charge, Supplies were starting to run low, and

1801
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: with so many administrators missing in the insurance situation completely

1802
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: up in the air. On account of nobody being entirely

1803
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: sure if Seattle was even still part of the United States,

1804
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't clear if anyone was going to get paid.

1805
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: So when a co worker pulled you aside and asked

1806
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,520
Speaker 1: if you'd be interested in doing something about the management problem,

1807
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: you figured, what the hell, Maybe it was time for

1808
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 1: a change. It wasn't like it could possibly make anything worse.

1809
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: The fired nurses, it turned out, had started to set

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01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: up a community health center with the help of the

1811
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: local neighborhood council. But some of the nurses still working

1812
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: at the hospital had another idea. Why not just turn

1813
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: the hospital into the community health center. After all, the

1814
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: hospital already had more equipment than any new center could

1815
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: possibly symbol. All they needed was some help from the community,

1816
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: and the whole thing could be run by a council

1817
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: of the hospital workers. Insurance companies be damned. Besides, if

1818
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 1: all the hospitals started pulling their resources together, they might

1819
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: be able to solve some of the shortages. At the

1820
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 1: mention of solving the supply shortages, even the more skeptical

1821
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: workers started to come around. By the next morning, the

1822
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: Seattle Hospital Workers Council was marching on the hospital. The

1823
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 1: remaining management found out somehow and tried one final lockout

1824
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: to hold onto their property. But as you saw yet

1825
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: another column of protesters joining the crowd surrounding the hospital,

1826
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: you knew this wasn't their city any longer. On April eighteen,

1827
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: two thousand, one, military police in the Cabiliar region of

1828
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: Algeria shot an eighteen year old high school students. Almost immediately,

1829
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people took to the street, chanting,

1830
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 1: you can't kill us, we are already dead at the

1831
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: lines of policemen assembled to attack them. The police would

1832
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 1: kill over a hundred people and severely wound five thousand

1833
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: more in the months long battle for control of the

1834
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: streets that followed, but protesters burned police stations, government offices, courts,

1835
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:17,759
Speaker 1: and the offices of Islamic fundamentalist parties until the government

1836
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: agreed to give ethnic minority groups language and cultural rights.

1837
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,759
Speaker 1: The hated military police were driven from the region entirely,

1838
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: and so few regular police stations survived the uprising. At

1839
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,839
Speaker 1: the regular police likewise ceased to function across broad swaths

1840
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: of Kabilia. They were replaced on a local village level

1841
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: by self organized security committees, which would assemble on the

1842
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: rare occasion trouble emerged. Contrary to the expectations of the state,

1843
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: crime plummeted, but the Algerian government otherwise continued to function

1844
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: as usual for over a decade until the local government

1845
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: in a small region, cover Bacha, attempted the regular local elections.

1846
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,719
Speaker 1: After banning the most popular political party in the region,

1847
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: they installed an unpopular coalition governments. The people of Barbaca

1848
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: responded by storming the city hall, seizing control of it

1849
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: and setting up a democratic General Assembly inside the newly

1850
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: dubbed House of the People to replace the existing government.

1851
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: This was dual power in its original sense, a council

1852
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 1: of the people facing off against an increasingly illegitimate parliamentary

1853
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: representative in a struggle for control over the fate of

1854
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 1: a new society. If you google dual power, you are

1855
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 1: likely to encounter. A pamphlet written by Vladimir Lenin entitled

1856
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: The Dual Power, describing the conundrum of the situation following

1857
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: the First Russian Revolution in February of nineteen seventeen. After

1858
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: the overthrow of the Czar, political power was split between

1859
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:48,560
Speaker 1: two competing bodies. On the one side, a new provisional

1860
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,680
Speaker 1: government of liberal and social democratic politicians holdovers from the

1861
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: old Duma from the previous regime. On the other side,

1862
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: revolutionary social forces rallying around assemblies popular power called soviets,

1863
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: which were councils of delegates sent by directly democratic factories,

1864
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: soldiers and sailors committees. Lenin solve this as a situation

1865
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 1: to be overcome by the seizure of state power by

1866
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: Socialist Party. For Lenin and his Bolsheviks, dual power was

1867
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: a problem because, after the Czarist state ceased to exist

1868
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the World War, the new provisional

1869
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 1: government failed to fill the vacuum left in its wake

1870
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: by its collapse. To Lenin, the solution was obvious fill

1871
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: that vacuum with Lenin. For the peasants, soldiers, and workers

1872
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: who made up the majority of Russia's population, However, dual

1873
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: power was their first fleeting taste of freedom and autonomous

1874
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: control over their lives. Lenon used the Soviets to seize power,

1875
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 1: but almost immediately began to turn on these democratic assemblies

1876
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: of popular autonomy. Over the course of the Russian Civil War,

1877
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: Lennon and the Bolsheviks strip power away from the workers, peasants,

1878
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 1: and soldiers, sometimes by bureaucratic fiat, often at the point

1879
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: of a bayonet. Until this Oviet have been stripped of

1880
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: all meeting in the very state named after their democratic

1881
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 1: form and became synonymous with dictatorship. Dual power today draws

1882
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: from the potential of that post revolutionary crisis from the

1883
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: bottom up, direct democracy that was so threatening to the

1884
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: social order that Bolshevik revolutionaries and Czari's police by his alike,

1885
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: conspired to wipe them from the historical record. Just as

1886
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 1: Russia was haunted by the memory of the French communes,

1887
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,759
Speaker 1: so is America today haunted by a memory of dual

1888
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: power that, against all lodge refuses to die. We are,

1889
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: after all, still ruled by a greedy, bloodthirsty, and out

1890
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: of touch elite who have chosen to march us to

1891
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: our deaths by the hundreds of thousands by forcing us

1892
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: back to work during a plague. But the Russian Revolution

1893
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: is as far away from us today as Napoleon and

1894
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: his brass cannons were from the Russian revolutionaries and their

1895
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 1: machine guns. Times have changed. There is no Bolshevik party

1896
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings to seize power as the state crumbles.

1897
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: The vacuum of the state leaves in its wake as

1898
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: its power deteriorates, be filled by any number of organizations,

1899
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: most even more hostile to the working class and the

1900
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Bolsheviks had been. It could be war lords with the

1901
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: personal allegiance of the remains of the military. It could

1902
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 1: be organized crime. It could be religious fundamentalist militias. Most likely,

1903
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 1: it will be an uneasy combination of all of the above.

1904
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: Or it could be you. It could be your family,

1905
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 1: your friends, your neighbors, your co workers, the person you

1906
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: waved to every morning at the bus stop when you're

1907
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,759
Speaker 1: on your way to work. The past to that world,

1908
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 1: the world run not by capitalists in their cops or

1909
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: by war lords in their armies, but by autonomous communities

1910
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: free to decide for themselves what to produce and how

1911
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,679
Speaker 1: to best use their resources. To care for each other

1912
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: is dual power in the twenty one century. At its core,

1913
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: dual power is about creating a counterpower against the state.

1914
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: During the Russian Revolution, this counterpower was formed essentially by

1915
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 1: historical accidents, as two governing bodies emerged from the course

1916
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 1: of the Febrrian Revolution. But modern dual power does not

1917
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: arise from the whims of the course of revolution or

1918
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: from an innate instinct of the working class. It is

1919
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: something we build together by creating organizations that resist the

1920
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,479
Speaker 1: power of the structures of violence. Capitalism, racism, homophobia, and

1921
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: the state name a few that control this world. Dual

1922
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 1: power organizations can take many forms, from tennis unions, the

1923
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 1: debtors councils, childcare cooperatives, to land occupations, workers councils, to

1924
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 1: rank and file labor unions, mutual aid networks to community

1925
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 1: self defense organizations. These organizations seek to build autonomy from

1926
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: and against capitalism. In the state alone, there are no

1927
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: match for the state's we all power to inflict violence

1928
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:46,799
Speaker 1: and corporate control over our resources. But by joining together

1929
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: to form federations and pooling their resources and expertise to

1930
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: coordinate their efforts, they can become a powerful enough force

1931
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: to challenge the state, both directly and indirectly. These dual

1932
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 1: power organizations are designed to be the day its successor.

1933
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 1: As the industrial workers of the world famously put it,

1934
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: they form the structure of the new society and the

1935
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: shell of the old. In order to fulfill that task,

1936
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: they take the shape of new society they need to create.

1937
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:16,879
Speaker 1: Academics called this prefigurative politics, organizing that employs the values

1938
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 1: and organizational structures that they seek to create in the world.

1939
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: As we will discuss in the next episode, there are

1940
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: right wing forms of both dual power and profigative politics,

1941
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 1: but for most of the people who employ it, prefigurative

1942
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: politics means creating direct democratic institutions without bosses, managers, bureaucrats,

1943
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 1: or party apparatus. The means of creating the new world

1944
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: are thus the same as the ends. Dual power organizations

1945
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 1: serve multiple purposes. Their long term goal is to replace

1946
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: the state and the corporation with free and autonomous forms

1947
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 1: of organization. One's organized and powerful enough to protect themselves

1948
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: and manage the logistical challenges of a new world when

1949
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: previous forms of organization and power no longer exist. But

1950
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: even reaching a point where this is remotely plausible, requires

1951
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: not just the painstaking construction of counterpower and organization out

1952
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 1: of a fragmented American population, It requires a profound cultural

1953
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,679
Speaker 1: transformation and how we make decisions. As the anthropologist David

1954
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 1: Graeber put it, it is assumed in many parts of

1955
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 1: the world that democracy is a group of people facing

1956
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: a certain problem who come together to solve it in

1957
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 1: a way where everyone has an equals say. It's true

1958
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: that most Americans think of themselves as living in a

1959
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 1: democratic country. When was the last time that any Americans

1960
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,880
Speaker 1: actually sat down and came to a collective decision? Maybe

1961
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 1: if they were ordering pizza, but basically never Dual power

1962
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: organizations thus also service schools for democracy where people can learn,

1963
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: experiment with, create, and spread their own forms of democracy

1964
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: and collective decision making. When these spaces of democratic experimentation

1965
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: are functioning properly, the very organizational structure serves as a

1966
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 1: kind of recruitment tool. This was the original theory behind

1967
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street, that democracy and the experience of autonomy

1968
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: were contagious and would spread rapidly as more and more

1969
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,679
Speaker 1: curious people experienced it for themselves. That experience, in turn

1970
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:18,440
Speaker 1: would create a new generation of people trained in democratic

1971
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: practices who could go forth and transform the world. Obviously,

1972
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: this didn't quite happen. Occupies model of democracy was limited

1973
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,640
Speaker 1: in many ways, not the least of which was that

1974
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: it required a public, physical meeting space that could be

1975
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 1: closed down by police violence. But the initial premise worked.

1976
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Occupy itself, of course, had been inspired by the mass

1977
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 1: democratic assemblies in Spain, in Greece in two thousand eleven,

1978
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,879
Speaker 1: and the direct democratic coops and factory occupations that engulfed

1979
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Argentina for the better part of the two thousand's. At

1980
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: the most basic, short term level, however, dual power organizations

1981
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 1: are designed to meet people's needs. The cornerstone of this

1982
01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 1: effortis mutual aid. Probably the most famous example of such

1983
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,759
Speaker 1: a project was the Black Panther Party survival programs. Former

1984
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 1: Black Panther Janina Irvin describes them in detail. The Black

1985
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Panther Party survival programs were, in fact an example of

1986
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 1: an effort, a successful effort, while it lasted to create

1987
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: dual power in the United States. The Black Panther Party

1988
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 1: had a school, had free food programs. One of its

1989
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:23,679
Speaker 1: most respected survival programs was a breakfast for children, which

1990
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: was overall a response to hunger and poverty in the country,

1991
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: particularly among poor, low income Black people. We had free

1992
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 1: medical clinics in Winston Salem, North Carolina. We had free ambulances,

1993
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 1: free past control, free shoes, We had free bussing to

1994
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,639
Speaker 1: prison programs, legal aid programs to help people get attorneys

1995
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,800
Speaker 1: who needed them. And we had a program that was

1996
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,360
Speaker 1: called the Safe Program Seniors Against a Fearful Environment, in

1997
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,639
Speaker 1: which we provided free transportation and escort service the senior

1998
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 1: citizens who needed to get out and take care of

1999
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 1: their errands, their business. They were often being attacked, so

2000
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: this was a hore protection for them. The Panthers were

2001
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,480
Speaker 1: able to grow their in fluence by keeping their communities safe, healthy,

2002
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:07,560
Speaker 1: cared for, and increasingly autonomous from the state. But most importantly,

2003
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: they were able to keep people alive. As Black Panthers

2004
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: co founder Hue P. Newton famously said, these survival programs

2005
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: satisfy the deep needs of the community, but they are

2006
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: not solutions to our problem. That is why we call

2007
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:26,280
Speaker 1: them survival programs, meeting survival pending revolution. The existence of

2008
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: the survival programs themselves reflect the necessity of keeping people alive,

2009
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 1: especially people who the state would rather kill or leave

2010
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,120
Speaker 1: to die for building any kind of power. But these

2011
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:41,600
Speaker 1: programs are also necessarily insufficient. No mutual aid program, no

2012
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:46,560
Speaker 1: autonomous project, no liberated territory can provide for the entire community,

2013
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: while the corporations, capitalists, and states maintain their strangle hold

2014
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 1: over the resources and production capacity at the working class

2015
01:53:54,680 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: collectively created over centuries of grueling labor and struggle. Dual power,

2016
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: more than just survival, is about building the counter power

2017
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: to take it back. Building powers withdraws the line between

2018
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: what is and isn't dual power. Growing food for you

2019
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 1: and your friends, make cut down on bills, and make

2020
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: some killer pesto, but it's not necessarily challenging the capitalist system.

2021
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: Autonomy for its own sake is not necessarily dual power

2022
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 1: if it doesn't actively aid in struggle or better organize

2023
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 1: the community. That from the perspective of building counter power,

2024
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 1: that autonomy is meaningless. Making food for striking workers to

2025
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 1: allow them to stay on strike longer is building dual power.

2026
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,960
Speaker 1: We're simply producing it for general consumption is not. While

2027
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 1: dual power organizations necessarily serve the needs of the community,

2028
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 1: they must also be able to pivot and attack the

2029
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 1: state in capital and provide solidarity and mutual aid to

2030
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,720
Speaker 1: those in the community who are already in struggle, or

2031
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 1: they simply aren't dual power organizations at all. The simplest

2032
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 1: solution to this problem, of course, is to organize around

2033
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: a specific side of resistance. Organizations that build up the

2034
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 1: capacity to fight can emerge from almost anywhere. The Symbiosis

2035
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 1: Research Collective described how dual power organizations emerge from Palestinian

2036
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: prison organizing bring the First into Fata and uprising against

2037
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 1: the Israeli governments in late nineteen eighties. Most discussion of

2038
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: the First into Fata focuses on the role of mass

2039
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: protests in making Palestinian society ungovernable for the Israeli occupying forces.

2040
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Less discussed is the role of community organizations of mutual

2041
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 1: aid and confederated participatory democracy and making such mass protests possible.

2042
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 1: Organizing from within the political system was a political incubator

2043
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,000
Speaker 1: of the Palestinian resistance movement and offers a microcosmic example

2044
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 1: of the developments of dual power in the much larger

2045
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: prison of the occupation. With hunger strikes, political prisoners eventually

2046
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: won concessions for their own self administration within the prisons,

2047
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 1: they assembled structures of political organization and representation, forced prison

2048
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 1: authorities to recognize their representatives, and developed a division of

2049
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: labor around hygiene, education and other daily tasks. Palestinian prisoners

2050
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 1: described this arrangement as internal organization, similar to the concept

2051
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 1: of dual power. Even the least free of circumstances, these

2052
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: prisoners carved out space for self governments and created the

2053
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 1: preconditions to revolutionary struggle. Prisoners taught and studied everything from

2054
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 1: Palestinian history to marks the political economy, often from eight

2055
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 1: to fourteen hours per day. As freshly educated and trained

2056
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 1: political activists were released back into society, the resistance movement

2057
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 1: was galvanized. Illiterate teenage boys arrested for throwing stones re

2058
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 1: entered the fray months later as committed competent organizers who

2059
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: had studied movement building, strategic resistance, and dialectical materialism. Meanwhile,

2060
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 1: the organizing context outside of the prison transformed dramatically. Saleh

2061
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 1: Abou laban of Palestinian political prisoners from nineteen seventy until nine, stated,

2062
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 1: when I entered the prison, there wasn't a national movement.

2063
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: There were only underground cells that performed clandestine lee. When

2064
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: I got out, I found a world full of organizers, committees,

2065
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 1: and community institutions. Central to this new world of community

2066
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:21,080
Speaker 1: organizing was the Palestinian labor movement. Unions re formed out

2067
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 1: of workers places of residents rather than workplaces because vigrant

2068
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 1: labor was prevalent in Palestinian Unionism within Israel had been criminalized.

2069
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 1: Unions then formed strong alliances with local organizations in the

2070
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: national movement with rapid growth in the early nineteen eighties.

2071
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,640
Speaker 1: Labor unions found it necessary to centralize and democratize their

2072
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: structures to become more resilient as Israeli repression intensified against

2073
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: union leaders and organizers. These local unions were networked together

2074
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 1: through the Palestinian Communist Party and the Workers Unity Block,

2075
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: creating a web of labor organizers and community groups that

2076
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: linked their class struggle to the larger projects of national liberation.

2077
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 1: This wave of resistance, carried out largely outside the purview

2078
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 1: of the major Palestinian political parties, showed that even communities

2079
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: and the most dire circumstances can assemble astounding levels of

2080
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: organization and resistance. As was also true in the United States,

2081
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 1: although today the memory of these prison radicals is largely forgotten.

2082
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 1: Palestinian organizing emerged from the sites of deepest depression in

2083
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: their society. But this kind and level of organization is

2084
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 1: not just the property of the left, and in Part

2085
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:30,120
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Speaker 1: It's been three months since you and your co workers

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Speaker 1: took control of the hospital. Things aren't back to normal yet.

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Speaker 1: You're not even really sure what normal is anymore, but

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Speaker 1: the days have fallen into a kind of routine. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 1: which means it's your turn to go report back to

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Speaker 1: what a friend jokingly referred to as the Endless Meeting

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Speaker 1: Assembly was now forever known as the e m A.

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Speaker 1: The e m A is technically the closest thing left

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Speaker 1: to a central government in Seattle. It was formed as

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Speaker 1: a sort of coordinating council between the various organizations and

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Speaker 1: workers councils that had emerged or simply emerged from the woodworks.

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Speaker 1: In the wake of the collapse of the police. Two

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Speaker 1: things have become clear very quickly. One there was need

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Speaker 1: for some kind of coordinating committee between the different bodies

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Speaker 1: to The only people who had any idea what was

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Speaker 1: going on in their portion of the city or in

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Speaker 1: their workplace were the members of the local council, which

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Speaker 1: meant there was no way in hell any kind of

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Speaker 1: central apparatus could dictate to them what actually needed to

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Speaker 1: be done. There just wasn't a way to move the

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Speaker 1: information around. The solution had been decentralization. Let the councils

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Speaker 1: do their work, let them work out who they needed

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Speaker 1: to talk to, but make sure there was some kind

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Speaker 1: of daily council that people could show up to. Were

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Speaker 1: the various groups who do report backs and what they

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Speaker 1: were doing and what they needed. The structure was messy,

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Speaker 1: but it mostly worked, and at least someone had had

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Speaker 1: the idea to make sure if the delegate to the

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Speaker 1: e m A rotated so one person wasn't stuck spending

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Speaker 1: after life showing up every day. The problem really was

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Speaker 1: the same problem you've been dealing with for months now.

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Speaker 1: Even with the pooling of resources and people donating their

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Speaker 1: last precious American dollars to paying people to import more supplies.

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Speaker 1: The blockade was taking its toll. Nobody wanted to try

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Speaker 1: to force their way through the blockades and the cascades.

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Speaker 1: There's been some attempts to get in touch with groups

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Speaker 1: in Portland's but the control map was so ugly there

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Speaker 1: was no real ants of getting any assistance. Besides, the

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Speaker 1: real problem was the port. When the cops had fled,

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Speaker 1: the ships should simply stopped coming. They'd be routed further south,

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Speaker 1: many of them to Oakland, or so you'd heard. The

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Speaker 1: logistics lines were collapsing faster than anyone could piece them

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Speaker 1: back together. What the long term consequences would be no

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Speaker 1: one knew, but something was going to have to change.

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Speaker 1: The calls to start engaging in piracy were only half

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Speaker 1: oaks now. A week later, an answer of sorts arrived.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't precisely what anyone had been expecting. You'd heard

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Speaker 1: about negotiations between workers councils, shipping companies, and a couple

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Speaker 1: of governments to try to prevent a bloodbath. The docks

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Speaker 1: with the porter to Seattle already at a commission. No

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Speaker 1: one could afford another stoppage. You hadn't really been sure

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Speaker 1: what to make of it, but the representatives were here now.

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Speaker 1: What they proposed in front of the largest assembly you'd

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Speaker 1: ever seen was a kind of under the table deal.

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Speaker 1: In essence, the port workers would go back to work

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Speaker 1: in both Oakland at Seattle in exchange for seeding part

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Speaker 1: of Oakland itself to a newly formed federation. No one

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Speaker 1: was sure how any of this was actually supposed to work,

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Speaker 1: but it was the first chance you'd seen in months

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Speaker 1: to start solving the supply problem. That didn't mean everyone

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Speaker 1: else would agree to it. Democracy is still democracy, after all,

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Speaker 1: But maybe, just maybe, with a toe hold in Oakland's,

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Speaker 1: the Council's would start to spread, and that so called

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Speaker 1: government in California was looking shakier every day. Who knew,

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Speaker 1: maybe next time you wouldn't be negotiating at all. In

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Speaker 1: March of two thousand four, American occupation forces in a

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Speaker 1: Rock attempted to shut down the newspaper of a Shiite

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Speaker 1: cleric named mata El Solder. The Americans had expected Solder

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Speaker 1: to simply fold under the weight of the coalition's pressure. Instead,

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Speaker 1: they triggered mass protest that quickly turned into an armed uprising.

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Speaker 1: This was a new force in Iraq. The American occupation force,

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Speaker 1: whopenakes affecting to be fighting al Qaeda, and maybe the

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Speaker 1: rump of the remaining Baptists were stunned to suddenly be

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Speaker 1: facing a working class uprising among a Rock she At population.

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Speaker 1: This new body Army, as it began to call itself,

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Speaker 1: was extremely well organized and were initially able to route

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Speaker 1: coalition forces. So what was this body army that had

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Speaker 1: so thoroughly rewritten the rules of Rock? Shortly after the

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Speaker 1: U S deposted on Musse in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: Bootato Sauder, the son of another famous Rocky sh At

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Speaker 1: religious figure. Both Sauders had been famous for this support

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Speaker 1: and care for the poor. So when Sauder returned to

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Speaker 1: a Rock, he began to build a political base among

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Speaker 1: the Rocks working class, particularly in Solder City, a working

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Speaker 1: class suburb of Baghdad. He used his organization to redistribute wealth,

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Speaker 1: providing form of welfare states in an almost completely shattered country,

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Speaker 1: but are In his allies also began to set up

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Speaker 1: a network of freak clinics for pregnant and nursing mothers.

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Speaker 1: They used these clinics, which were enormously popular to build

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Speaker 1: a base of support. It is, after all, extremely difficult,

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Speaker 1: no matter what your ideological or political disagreements with the group,

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Speaker 1: to attack them when they're running free clinics for pregnant mothers.

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Speaker 1: They protected these clinics with militias, which allowed them to

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Speaker 1: transform the community organizations and good will that they had

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Speaker 1: gained from the clinic into the military power necessary for

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Speaker 1: self governance and eventually for resistance against the American occupation.

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Speaker 1: Strategy proved enormously successful. Matadoro Sauder is still today one

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Speaker 1: of the most important political figures in Iraq, despite sustained

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Speaker 1: Coalition and Occupation Force attempts to stamp them out. But

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Speaker 1: for all their working class support, the Solderists for by

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Speaker 1: no means leftists. In late twenty nineteen, massive anti austerity,

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Speaker 1: anti imperialists, and anti sectarian protests erupted in Iraq as

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Speaker 1: a reaction to the murderous incompetence of the Iraqi government, who,

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Speaker 1: among other crimes, managed to poison a hundred and eighteen

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Speaker 1: thousand people in Oza through the mismanagement and subsequent contamination

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Speaker 1: of the water supply. Also are initially backed the protest

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Speaker 1: but turned on them in early at which point Souterist

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Speaker 1: the militias begin to carry out a brutal campaign of

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Speaker 1: repression against the protest camps that culminated in outrent massacres

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Speaker 1: of protesters. These massacres became semi regular features of Soterist

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Speaker 1: mass mobilizations, and alongside state and paramilitary disappearances of activists,

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Speaker 1: the attacks essentially crushed the uprising. The violent homophobia and

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Speaker 1: sexism of the Soderists may see met odds with their

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Speaker 1: anti imperialism and concern for the poor, but right wing

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02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:44,400
Speaker 1: organizations have often adapted specific policies, positions, and organizational structures

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02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,320
Speaker 1: from the left, and in this case the Soderus moobilizations

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Speaker 1: have been extremely effective. Indeed, writing organizations are often more

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Speaker 1: effective at utilizing dual power tactics and organizations and leftist movements.

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Speaker 1: This is partly because of a fundamental asymmetry between the

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Speaker 1: right and the left. Right wing organizations can almost always

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Speaker 1: depend on financial support from wealthy political backers, who, when

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Speaker 1: push comes to shove, can simply create a movement with

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Speaker 1: pure money, as the Cokes did to create the Tea Party.

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Speaker 1: Leftists the ravings of right wing conspiracy theorists, notwithstanding, have

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Speaker 1: no such backers. This funding and support can go a

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Speaker 1: long way towards explaining the success of groups like Hezbollah.

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Speaker 1: It is certainly true that without Iranian support, Hezbollah would

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Speaker 1: not be the movement that it is today, but a

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Speaker 1: great deal of their success is simply attributable to the

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02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,760
Speaker 1: tactics themselves. This does not escaped the notice of the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Army Joint Special Operations Universities. Major James Love wrote a

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Speaker 1: monograph entitled Hesbllah Social Services a Source of Power. In it,

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Speaker 1: he writes, the most important branch of the Hezbillah organization

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Speaker 1: is a social service section, which can be demonstrated by

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02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:56,400
Speaker 1: the allocation of an estimated fifty percent of Hesblah's two

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Speaker 1: thousands seven budget will service efforts. It is through the

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Speaker 1: work of the social service section that all party activities

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02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:07,839
Speaker 1: are possible. Hesbalah Social Service Section was designed to influence

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Speaker 1: all aspects of Lebanzia society. The original intent of providing

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Speaker 1: needed services to an oppressed people appears to have been

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Speaker 1: manipulated by Hesbillah as a vehicle to bolster its ranks

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Speaker 1: provide a humanitarian shield to the organization. Increased influence within

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Speaker 1: the Lebanese government and combat at Shia arrival on Ball.

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Speaker 1: The Social Service Section serves as an equal arm within

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Speaker 1: the organization and is used as much as the military

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Speaker 1: and political wing in terms of leverage. Hesbillah's Deputy Secretary

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Speaker 1: General describes the purpose and intent of the Social Service

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Speaker 1: Section and the following passage. Hesbalah paid particular attention to

2277
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Speaker 1: social work. Not one aspect of aiding the poor was neglected.

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02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:53,280
Speaker 1: As the party work towards achieving joint social responsibility, answering

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Speaker 1: their urgent needs and introducing beneficial programs. Such work was

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Speaker 1: simply considered party due d and concentrated effort towards raising

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Speaker 1: funds and making available social service resources served. Towards achieving

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Speaker 1: these goals. The party worked the best of its capacities,

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Speaker 1: cooperating with official institutions to respond societal needs. Has Blah's

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Speaker 1: provided medical aid, reconstruction assistance, education programs, and particularly programs

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Speaker 1: that take care of patrons and widows, which have served

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Speaker 1: to solidify their base. These organizations were critical to has

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Speaker 1: Belah's meteoric rise from a political nonentity to arguably the

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Speaker 1: most powerful factated side of Lebanese politics. Has Bela's state

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Speaker 1: within a state, as it's become known, it's capable of

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Speaker 1: even resisting the Israeli Army. Major Love's frustration with the

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Speaker 1: inability of the American army to either deny has Belah's

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Speaker 1: own aid efforts to replicate them in a way that

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Speaker 1: could strengthen American power are testaments the effectiveness of such

2294
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:54,480
Speaker 1: a technique and the dangers they posed to the American

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Speaker 1: imperial and state project. One of those Love's major concerns

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Speaker 1: is that American aid programs are simply caught up in takes.

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Speaker 1: They're unable to respond as fast as community led efforts,

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Speaker 1: which means that those efforts will get off the ground faster,

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Speaker 1: get to the scene faster, and thus route the political benefits.

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Speaker 1: When the state is unwilling or unable to provide services,

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Speaker 1: especially in the wake of disasters, it leaves a power

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Speaker 1: vacuum for organizations to exploit. May not have heard of

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Speaker 1: the RSS before. It's a paramilitary group affiliated with India's

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Speaker 1: ruling party, the b j P Council. Among its members

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Speaker 1: India's Prime Minister Modi. It's also probably the world's largest

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Speaker 1: fascist organization. The RSS was founded in a group nominally

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Speaker 1: dedicated to protecting and promoting Hindu interests. What this means

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Speaker 1: in practice is that the RSS is dedicated to creating

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Speaker 1: a Hindu state and maintains and promotes a violent hatred

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Speaker 1: of Muslims. The results in RSS members being at the

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Speaker 1: forefront of anti Muslim programs. The r s s IS

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Speaker 1: pre World War Two leaders were open admirers of Hitler

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Speaker 1: and Mussolini, and while they eventually rely abandoned those positions

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Speaker 1: at the start of World War Two, the rss is

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Speaker 1: politics have remained thoroughly fascist in the intense communal rioting

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Speaker 1: that both preceded and followed the partition of India and Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: After independence, which saw mass population transfers of Hindus and

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Speaker 1: Muslims and the death of somewhere between two hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: and two million people, the RSS established itself as a

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Speaker 1: protector of Hindi refugees against Muslim violence, provided protection and

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Speaker 1: aid to those trying to survive the chaos the Good

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Speaker 1: World has generated, however, collapse after a former RSS member

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Speaker 1: did the single most famous thing anyone associated with the

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Speaker 1: RSS has ever done, assassinated Gandhi. The RSS was almost

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Speaker 1: immediately banned, but in light of the terrible pr you

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Speaker 1: get when you're associated with killing Gandhi, the RSS became

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Speaker 1: increasingly involved with disaster relief over half a century of

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Speaker 1: painstaking organizing, It created schools and youth programs to spread

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Speaker 1: its influence and use them to fuel further anti Muslim violence.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand one, the organization gained national acclaim for

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Speaker 1: its response to a massive earthquake and Gunjarat. The RSS

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02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: heavily emphasized the non discriminatory nature of their aid work

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02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:16,160
Speaker 1: in their propaganda, but in reality, many of the villages

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Speaker 1: the RS s had rebuilt after the devastation had been

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Speaker 1: transformed into miniature versions at the fabled Hindu state that

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Speaker 1: the RSS seeks to impose on all of India. Strategically,

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02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,960
Speaker 1: this should look familiar to us now. It's essentially a

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Speaker 1: fascist form of prefigurative politics. The RSS used an earthquake

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Speaker 1: to build the structure of the new Hindu society in

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Speaker 1: the shell of the old. The BJPS dominance over Indian

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Speaker 1: politics while led by a member of the RSS, and

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Speaker 1: the brutal crackdowns body carried out in Kashmir, our bloody

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Speaker 1: testament to the success of their strategy. Christian fundamentalist organizations

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Speaker 1: have also been extremely effective and utilizing their own form

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02:13:57,200 --> 02:14:01,080
Speaker 1: of routing profigurative politics the in a somewhat different way.

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02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:04,400
Speaker 1: In the RSS, their new world is defined above all

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Speaker 1: by theocratic patriarchal authoritarianism. Like the radicals that occupy, the

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Speaker 1: religious right was operating off of a form of contagion theory,

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02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:16,600
Speaker 1: theory that exposure to their social organizations and forms would

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02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:20,200
Speaker 1: essentially be contagious and spread, but the Christian rights preferred

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02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:25,080
Speaker 1: form as the patriarchal family, which serves as a microcosm

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02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:29,480
Speaker 1: of the kind of hierarchy and patriarchal violence that dominate

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02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:33,840
Speaker 1: their long dreamed of theocratic society. The Christian Right would

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02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:36,240
Speaker 1: instill these values into their children and send them off

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Speaker 1: into the world to propagate their ideology. Ettinger, an expert

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Speaker 1: on the Christian Right, wrote this about the second phase

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02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:47,520
Speaker 1: of the strategy. In several church leaders came up with

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Speaker 1: a new approach, identifying seven spheres of culture to focus

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02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:53,880
Speaker 1: on one after another to try to bring about the

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Speaker 1: lasting change and have a significant impact on the superstructure

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Speaker 1: of American culture. Lauren kind Ingham, founder of Youth with

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Speaker 1: the Mission, a Christian Missionary Group coordinating International and National

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Speaker 1: mission Church for Young Christians describes these seven areas as such,

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02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 1: these are the areas you can go on as missionaries.

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02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:18,120
Speaker 1: Here they are. First, it's the institution set up by God.

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Speaker 1: First the family. After the family was the church or

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Speaker 1: the people of God. The third was the area of

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Speaker 1: school or education. The fourth was media public communication in

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Speaker 1: all forms printed in electronic. The fifth was what I

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Speaker 1: call celebration, the arts, entertainment, sports, where you celebrate within

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Speaker 1: a culture. The six would be the whole area of

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Speaker 1: the economy, which starts with innovation and science and technology, productivity,

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02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:51,959
Speaker 1: sales and service. The whole area we often call it business,

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02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:55,920
Speaker 1: but we leave out something. We leave up the scientific

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Speaker 1: part which actually raises the wealth of the world. Anything

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02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:02,800
Speaker 1: new like making sand and chips for a microchip that

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02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:06,360
Speaker 1: increases wealth in the world. And then of course prediction,

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02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,960
Speaker 1: sales and service helps to spread the wealth. And so

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02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 1: the last area was the area of government. This is

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02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:18,520
Speaker 1: a need encapsulation of the rights. Refigurative politics start first

2381
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:22,280
Speaker 1: with the family, and then with the church, then reshaped

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Speaker 1: school and education and mass media in their image, and

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02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:27,800
Speaker 1: from there you can begin to take the entire economy.

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Speaker 1: Churches have also long used aid programs to proselytize and

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Speaker 1: also expand their control over the population which becomes dependent

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Speaker 1: on their aid. And the places where the left has

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Speaker 1: failed to provide for their community, the far right has

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02:16:41,640 --> 02:16:44,519
Speaker 1: stepped in and has been able to rapidly and effectively

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Speaker 1: reshape the political landscape. This does not mean, however, that

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Speaker 1: they can't be beaten. Cooperation Jackson has offered one of

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Speaker 1: the most powerful visions of dual power in the modern US.

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Speaker 1: A product of the New African People's Organization and the

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Speaker 1: malk of ex grassroots movements, Jackson Cush Plan. Cooperation Jackson

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Speaker 1: has put forward a radical and democratic bottle of dual

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Speaker 1: power with the aim of turning over control of the

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Speaker 1: land and the means of production into Jackson's black working

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02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:14,879
Speaker 1: class and allowing it to achieve its own self determination.

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Speaker 1: Cooperation Jackson has form mutual Aid Networks, started an incubated

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Speaker 1: program to help workers cooperatives get off the ground, and

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Speaker 1: formed a community land trust that purchases abandoned buildings in

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Speaker 1: Jackson it turns them over to the community. They've also

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Speaker 1: somewhat unusually wound up engaged in the electoral process. After

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Speaker 1: the untimely death of Ally and Jackson Mayor Choqua la Boomba,

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Speaker 1: which led to the election of his son, Choqua at

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Speaker 1: La Bomba. This placed the movement in a somewhat awkward

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Speaker 1: position of having allies, even if constrained by the realities

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Speaker 1: of state power in the state itself. But politics in

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Speaker 1: the real world is never as clean as the models

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Speaker 1: we create to describe it. It is only in our

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Speaker 1: a political principles that we can build the new world

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Speaker 1: in the shell of the old, and we can build it.

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Speaker 1: I tied it in. Yeah, A good job, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Well it is it is. It has to rhyme.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like the Star Wars movies. That's our

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Speaker 1: guest today is Melissa A. Sidera founder and director of

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Speaker 1: Polo's Pantry, a mutual aid food distribution project in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: A Melissa, thank you for coming on and talking to us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm pleasure to

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Speaker 1: be here. I apologize for the introduction, but I honestly

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Speaker 1: it's better. It was better than I usually do, so

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Speaker 1: if you can back that up. Okay. So I'm an

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Speaker 1: l A native, and um I've been doing community organizing

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02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:14,840
Speaker 1: for probably like close to a decade, doing a lot

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02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:17,520
Speaker 1: of community work for a lot of time, and a

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02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:20,600
Speaker 1: few years before the pandemic, actually, I started to organize

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Speaker 1: with a lot of grassroots organizations in l A working

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Speaker 1: with a lot of house less folks UM all over

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02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:33,480
Speaker 1: l A, and kind of clock pretty early that a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of groups were

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Speaker 1: burning through their budgets spending it on food. And so

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Speaker 1: since I worked in kind of the food industry, I

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02:21:45,400 --> 02:21:48,560
Speaker 1: started to kind of poke around and figure out that

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02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:50,720
Speaker 1: we could get a lot of these things donated to

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Speaker 1: us UM and pretty much started building a roster like building,

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02:21:55,760 --> 02:22:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of like a rolodex of UM other organizations and

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02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:03,640
Speaker 1: snow profits, UM food banks that we could rely on.

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02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:07,080
Speaker 1: So almost kind of created sort of like an altera

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02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:12,800
Speaker 1: system UM for these groups who are working with houseless

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Speaker 1: folks to get food every week. UM. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make a steady and

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Speaker 1: the reliable system so that our own house neighbors would

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Speaker 1: get food and that organizers across l A wouldn't have

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02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:28,680
Speaker 1: to worry about it. And so that's pretty much how

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Speaker 1: POLO started officially started in two thousand eighteen. I was

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Speaker 1: organizing with a group called Katon for All and UH,

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02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:41,360
Speaker 1: they do a lot of political advocacy and mostly rooted

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02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:44,800
Speaker 1: in like UM kind of you know, human rights for

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Speaker 1: our houses neighbors. If you don't know Katon for all,

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Speaker 1: look them up. They're awesome, follow them fantastic. Yeah, And

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02:22:53,959 --> 02:22:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, I actually was because I was already doing

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02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot of mutual aid where in skid Row around

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02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:05,840
Speaker 1: that time and really kind of felt at some point,

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02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:09,600
Speaker 1: um that you know, like, yes, it was great that

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Speaker 1: I was going out there with teams getting hot meals

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02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:16,360
Speaker 1: out and hot beverages whatever people needed to people, but

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02:23:17,240 --> 02:23:19,480
Speaker 1: I just was so down on what in the conditions,

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02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:21,920
Speaker 1: seeing all the conditions that they were living in, and

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02:23:21,959 --> 02:23:24,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to meet other activists and other folks

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02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:28,959
Speaker 1: um who could really figure out how you connect people

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02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:32,880
Speaker 1: to services and and just really you know, anyone working

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02:23:32,879 --> 02:23:35,520
Speaker 1: in policy. That's so that's really changing things for people

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02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,480
Speaker 1: out there. And so I wanted to take sort of

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02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:41,320
Speaker 1: my advocacy and like my work a step further and

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02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:43,560
Speaker 1: connected with activists all the rail day. And so that's

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Speaker 1: sort of like my organ is really rooted in a

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Speaker 1: lot of activism and organizing. So I see I see

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Speaker 1: a lot of I'm not sort of your standard kind

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02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:56,959
Speaker 1: of order nonprofit. I really see things in the lens

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02:23:56,959 --> 02:23:59,560
Speaker 1: when as a community organizer. And so that's why our

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02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:05,080
Speaker 1: um our work is pretty much exploded during COVID. I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of interested for for starters because you're you're, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is um a mutual aid project as opposed to

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02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:13,600
Speaker 1: kind of a charity project, and what do you what

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02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:18,720
Speaker 1: do you see as being the dividing line there? Well,

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Speaker 1: for you know, for a lot of for us, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's very easy for for folks to kind of see

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Speaker 1: the work that we do as part of the kind

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Speaker 1: of charitable food system because obviously we're you know, UM

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Speaker 1: mutual aid. It's the difference really is that obviously, UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, there there's a there is a reciprocity between

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Speaker 1: the two of you, UM, between between neighborhoods, between individuals,

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Speaker 1: between organizations of sharing resources with each other UM and

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02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:53,720
Speaker 1: charitable obviously is that there's only one way, right, there's

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Speaker 1: only like one person giving. But for us, UM, the

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Speaker 1: way we picked our part nerves. I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 1: ready part of this nucleus of kind of a coalition

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02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:09,000
Speaker 1: of ors doing this work. So it was just ready

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02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,840
Speaker 1: very easy for us to kind of share resources with

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02:25:11,879 --> 02:25:14,360
Speaker 1: each other. So I was doing food and some folks

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02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:18,240
Speaker 1: were doing hygiene kits. Other folks were doing tents, other

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02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:21,240
Speaker 1: folks were doing types or whatever, and so there was

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02:25:21,360 --> 02:25:26,160
Speaker 1: so much you know, kind of mutualid and activity going on.

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02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:28,480
Speaker 1: And so that that's why we're we're really kind of

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Speaker 1: rooted in that COUM in that thinking as far as

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02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:36,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to charitable orgs that basically just set up

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02:25:36,480 --> 02:25:39,560
Speaker 1: somewhere and give, you know, give give stuff out to people.

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02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:43,960
Speaker 1: And so we have look in part and part of

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Speaker 1: my advisory circle are a lot of houseless neighbors UM

2534
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:52,000
Speaker 1: houses leaders in our community. UM. I also take a

2535
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:58,440
Speaker 1: lot of advice from UM Indigenous organizers UM black community

2536
02:25:58,480 --> 02:26:02,400
Speaker 1: leaders in different neighborhoods that work in. So our work

2537
02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:04,960
Speaker 1: is really informed by the community. And so we basically

2538
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:06,680
Speaker 1: asked we to, hey, you know, like what can we

2539
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:12,360
Speaker 1: do UM and plug into to work that UM that

2540
02:26:12,440 --> 02:26:15,560
Speaker 1: already exists in those in those areas. I hope, I

2541
02:26:15,640 --> 02:26:19,039
Speaker 1: hope that means sense. But that's kind of how I

2542
02:26:19,080 --> 02:26:22,680
Speaker 1: feel about what we do and and as an as

2543
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:24,400
Speaker 1: an organizer, because I think we get a lot of

2544
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:27,400
Speaker 1: questions from people who are interested in starting mutual aid

2545
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:30,800
Speaker 1: projects in their own areas. And one of the questions

2546
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:32,480
Speaker 1: we often have it's like, well, how do I how

2547
02:26:32,480 --> 02:26:36,480
Speaker 1: do I do that? Right? UM? And yeah, I'm interested

2548
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:39,240
Speaker 1: in like like if you could kind of walk us

2549
02:26:39,240 --> 02:26:42,000
Speaker 1: through the steps when when Polo's pantry got started, Like

2550
02:26:42,040 --> 02:26:44,360
Speaker 1: what is what was the kind of order of operations

2551
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:45,960
Speaker 1: that you had to go through to get this this

2552
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:48,080
Speaker 1: up and running. I think the first thing to do

2553
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:51,119
Speaker 1: is really too for me, it was already kind of

2554
02:26:51,440 --> 02:26:54,640
Speaker 1: being part of grassroots UM or so I was part

2555
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:58,400
Speaker 1: of a few of them, UM and so it's really

2556
02:26:58,400 --> 02:27:03,320
Speaker 1: important to UM to kind of identify the needs of

2557
02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:07,200
Speaker 1: a community first before setting up your ORC. So I

2558
02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:10,320
Speaker 1: feel like I already had an idea of you know,

2559
02:27:10,400 --> 02:27:14,080
Speaker 1: of of what certain orcs needed, UM which areas how

2560
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:17,920
Speaker 1: many and so kind of identifying the needs first kind

2561
02:27:17,959 --> 02:27:20,959
Speaker 1: of UM number one and and and to do that

2562
02:27:21,640 --> 02:27:24,560
Speaker 1: you really have to connect with the grassroots organizations, local

2563
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,119
Speaker 1: ones in your area. So you know, I recommend really

2564
02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:30,480
Speaker 1: just kind of doing researchers. Always folks doing that kind

2565
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:33,720
Speaker 1: of stuff all over. If you're into political advocacy, there's

2566
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,879
Speaker 1: folks that do that. There are folks who are more

2567
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:39,879
Speaker 1: food justice oriented, Like I would recommend going to a

2568
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:44,000
Speaker 1: local food bank or soup kitchens to have also like

2569
02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I've been doing that for years, and I've met a

2570
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:49,600
Speaker 1: lot of people with kind of similar values mine UM.

2571
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:53,879
Speaker 1: So just kind of pretty much identify one what you'd

2572
02:27:53,879 --> 02:27:57,240
Speaker 1: like to do, what you're good at UM, and then

2573
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:01,920
Speaker 1: essentially research UM, you know, kind of opportunities to tap

2574
02:28:01,959 --> 02:28:06,560
Speaker 1: into a local organ doing that work, and then essentially

2575
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,600
Speaker 1: start organizing with them. Right. I don't I don't recommend

2576
02:28:09,640 --> 02:28:13,720
Speaker 1: to build, like to build an organ prior to not

2577
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:16,680
Speaker 1: having this kind of knowledge, because I feel like it's

2578
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:21,800
Speaker 1: really crucial to sort of kind of map out first

2579
02:28:22,120 --> 02:28:26,320
Speaker 1: what the community needs instead of you building mutual aid

2580
02:28:26,400 --> 02:28:30,280
Speaker 1: organization based on you know whatever, Because I feel like

2581
02:28:30,320 --> 02:28:33,240
Speaker 1: it's it's important to work through things from the ground

2582
02:28:33,320 --> 02:28:37,000
Speaker 1: up UM. That way, you feel like the work is impactful.

2583
02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:42,320
Speaker 1: That way, the community is leading and informing your work.

2584
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:44,520
Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of like how I I

2585
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:48,160
Speaker 1: approached the line. So look for a local organ so

2586
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of sit in organizing for a little bit, and

2587
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:54,080
Speaker 1: then from there once he once you guys identify what

2588
02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:57,720
Speaker 1: it is UM and start to kind of have an

2589
02:28:57,720 --> 02:29:00,960
Speaker 1: idea of the demand or the need in that area,

2590
02:29:01,879 --> 02:29:06,280
Speaker 1: then start to reach out to say for me for

2591
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:12,080
Speaker 1: for food. A lot of local. Um, local chains will well,

2592
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:14,000
Speaker 1: well pretty much if you if you tell them what

2593
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:17,720
Speaker 1: you're doing, um, a lot of them will support you.

2594
02:29:17,800 --> 02:29:20,440
Speaker 1: So I actually have I started with just going literally

2595
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:24,039
Speaker 1: to my local Ralphs and telling the manager. They're like, hey,

2596
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:26,760
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. I'm starting this or you know,

2597
02:29:27,000 --> 02:29:30,520
Speaker 1: wasn't Ralph's being a local grocery store in Likes Angeles,

2598
02:29:30,600 --> 02:29:33,400
Speaker 1: Harry or a lot of I didn't know what Ralph's

2599
02:29:33,480 --> 02:29:35,120
Speaker 1: was before I moved to l A. So I just

2600
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:36,880
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, she's not just like rolling over

2601
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:41,960
Speaker 1: to where buddy Ralph's house, like, guess you've got some food? Yeah? Sorry, yeah,

2602
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:45,120
Speaker 1: so that Ralph's out here in l A. So most

2603
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:49,760
Speaker 1: places yeah yeah yeah and will more folks said not

2604
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:52,320
Speaker 1: everyone is down for that kind of stuff, but somehow

2605
02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:54,440
Speaker 1: you'll you'll really end up on one that's really you know,

2606
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:57,840
Speaker 1: that is really unkind. I think most folks have to

2607
02:29:57,879 --> 02:30:00,400
Speaker 1: realize that this this this kind of work is not

2608
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:05,760
Speaker 1: it didn't happen overnight like building like building uh, you know,

2609
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:09,960
Speaker 1: like a reliable network of people to donate to you is.

2610
02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:14,440
Speaker 1: It takes time. So but I think if if you

2611
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:18,600
Speaker 1: hit kind of larger chains, you will get UM. You know,

2612
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:20,760
Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll get you'll start to get a steady

2613
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:23,760
Speaker 1: supply from them. Do you have any kind of advice

2614
02:30:23,879 --> 02:30:27,200
Speaker 1: for UM, when you're actually approaching you know, manager at

2615
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Ralphs or something somebody actually who works for Like, what

2616
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:31,600
Speaker 1: do you have like I don't know, like a script,

2617
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:33,600
Speaker 1: but kind of a rough guy to like here's how

2618
02:30:33,640 --> 02:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I try to start these conversations here. Some ways I

2619
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:37,879
Speaker 1: try to phrase for things because that could be useful

2620
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:40,400
Speaker 1: for folks. You know, I actually have like a form

2621
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:43,240
Speaker 1: letters that I could share later. Maybe you can show, Yeah,

2622
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:46,440
Speaker 1: that would be great, UM that you know that they

2623
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:48,800
Speaker 1: can use to UM you know, if they're if they're

2624
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:52,959
Speaker 1: going to UM solicit folks with that stuff. And I

2625
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:55,200
Speaker 1: think a lot of mutual aid organizations to have that

2626
02:30:55,320 --> 02:30:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of UM kind of literature, that kind of form

2627
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:03,360
Speaker 1: so UM, I think just basically kind of letting them

2628
02:31:03,400 --> 02:31:06,680
Speaker 1: know who you are, who you're serving, UM, how often

2629
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:12,400
Speaker 1: which demographic is going to that's usually really important. UM.

2630
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:16,320
Speaker 1: What what helped me though, was I was as I

2631
02:31:16,360 --> 02:31:19,240
Speaker 1: started to get more serious about about doing the food work,

2632
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:22,920
Speaker 1: I connected to you know, some some community partners and

2633
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 1: I actually UM turned Polos into a fiscally sponsored organ

2634
02:31:27,879 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 1: so we moved from being just fully grassroots to being

2635
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:35,600
Speaker 1: physically sponsored. That basically means we're operating under the five

2636
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:38,560
Speaker 1: O one C three number of another organization, of a

2637
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,480
Speaker 1: larger organization. So that that was that open, so so

2638
02:31:42,600 --> 02:31:45,240
Speaker 1: many opportunities for us. It really allowed us to be

2639
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:49,160
Speaker 1: able to access larger amounts of food and really help

2640
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,520
Speaker 1: out a lot of a lot of a lot of

2641
02:31:51,560 --> 02:31:54,560
Speaker 1: smaller organs. I needed to get their food programs off

2642
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the ground and so UM that is something I recommend

2643
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:02,560
Speaker 1: if you're if people are serious about it, to define

2644
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:06,400
Speaker 1: a community of community partner who who isn't established five

2645
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:10,880
Speaker 1: one C three that they trust UM to see if

2646
02:32:10,879 --> 02:32:12,400
Speaker 1: they if they you know, if they can sign on

2647
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:16,440
Speaker 1: to to be a physical sponsor UM. That I think

2648
02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:18,320
Speaker 1: is one of the quickest ways to be able to

2649
02:32:18,879 --> 02:32:22,480
Speaker 1: UM to really kind of establish yourself as as far

2650
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:26,520
Speaker 1: as getting larger amounts of food. But then and by that,

2651
02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean getting pallets of food, not just cases, but

2652
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:34,080
Speaker 1: literally pallets of food delivered to wherever you are. As

2653
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:37,200
Speaker 1: soon as we did that, that completely changed the game UM.

2654
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:39,840
Speaker 1: And and I think I did that because I knew

2655
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:42,520
Speaker 1: I had so many friends who were doing mutual aid

2656
02:32:43,080 --> 02:32:46,120
Speaker 1: that needed so you know, just so much stuff from

2657
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:51,360
Speaker 1: from groceries to um, you know, fresh produce, and it

2658
02:32:51,400 --> 02:32:53,920
Speaker 1: wasn't and it wasn't you know, it didn't stop in food.

2659
02:32:54,040 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 1: We were getting you know, hand sanitizer, we were getting tense,

2660
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:02,599
Speaker 1: we were getting all sorts of stuff, know and so um.

2661
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:05,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I recommend for folks were serious

2662
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:09,520
Speaker 1: about food is to really again start to build a

2663
02:33:09,640 --> 02:33:14,280
Speaker 1: relationship with local businesses, um that they that they like

2664
02:33:14,600 --> 02:33:18,400
Speaker 1: food businesses, and really telling people this is what I'm doing.

2665
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:21,480
Speaker 1: If you're if you know, if you're if you're you know,

2666
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:24,040
Speaker 1: if you are what support us, you know, like this

2667
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:27,440
Speaker 1: is um, you know, these are these are the days

2668
02:33:27,480 --> 02:33:29,600
Speaker 1: that we need food or whatever, or these are the

2669
02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:32,160
Speaker 1: times that we'll need food and just let them know

2670
02:33:32,200 --> 02:33:34,240
Speaker 1: that you know, you're you're happy to pick it up

2671
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:38,600
Speaker 1: or that you're happy to because there's there's I think

2672
02:33:38,840 --> 02:33:43,680
Speaker 1: at least for California, we're starting to change law like

2673
02:33:43,800 --> 02:33:47,280
Speaker 1: policy and law behind food waste, and so I think, um,

2674
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:50,360
Speaker 1: something's going to change in the January of two where

2675
02:33:51,720 --> 02:33:54,800
Speaker 1: a lot of food waste basically going to decrease because

2676
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:58,039
Speaker 1: it's gonna be much more difficult. The city is gonna

2677
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:01,320
Speaker 1: make it much more difficult for for businesses to just

2678
02:34:01,440 --> 02:34:04,640
Speaker 1: carry this stuff. Um they're they're really pushing them to

2679
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:10,720
Speaker 1: uh um to separate them. But anyway, regardless, you're helping

2680
02:34:10,760 --> 02:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the business really um move, you know, move food waste,

2681
02:34:14,680 --> 02:34:17,600
Speaker 1: and and most of them, and a lot of employees

2682
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:21,080
Speaker 1: too that I've talked to UM just you know, just

2683
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:23,960
Speaker 1: our heartbreak and every time they have to clear out

2684
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, a full full tray or just trays and

2685
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:29,800
Speaker 1: trays of of of of you know, of a perfectly

2686
02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:33,280
Speaker 1: fine food. So yeah, there's there's a video going viral

2687
02:34:33,400 --> 02:34:36,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter right now of of like someone working at

2688
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Dunking Donuts and just like dumping just like hundreds and

2689
02:34:40,320 --> 02:34:44,160
Speaker 1: hundreds of donuts into the garbage and then and that happens.

2690
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:47,000
Speaker 1: That happens every single day. You know. I have I

2691
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:48,959
Speaker 1: have friends who used to work on Whole Foods and

2692
02:34:48,959 --> 02:34:51,879
Speaker 1: they would tell me just just how heartbreaking it was,

2693
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:55,440
Speaker 1: just the amount, just the massive amount of who that's

2694
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:57,600
Speaker 1: being wasted out. Yeah, it's evil, it's it's it's it's

2695
02:34:57,640 --> 02:35:00,879
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's a thing in the more

2696
02:35:00,959 --> 02:35:04,240
Speaker 1: difficult days ahead, as you know, things like well like

2697
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:07,440
Speaker 1: we under in a lot of areas, like the crop

2698
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:09,920
Speaker 1: was half of what it normally is this year. That's

2699
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:12,160
Speaker 1: going to continue. One day we will look at videos

2700
02:35:12,280 --> 02:35:18,039
Speaker 1: of Duncan Donuts dropping an entire day's worth of donuts

2701
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:20,879
Speaker 1: into the trash and use it as a pretext to

2702
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:24,600
Speaker 1: bring executives to trial. And it's going to be like

2703
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:28,160
Speaker 1: like like a war crime. Yeah is I mean, I

2704
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:31,600
Speaker 1: mean honestly though, as someone in food um um, you know,

2705
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:35,520
Speaker 1: like the food system is changing massively in so many ways.

2706
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:37,720
Speaker 1: I feel like the one kind of good thing that

2707
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:41,560
Speaker 1: happened in the pandemic is that lawmakers were able to

2708
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:46,600
Speaker 1: identify that the white snap or orm cal Fresh pretty

2709
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:50,920
Speaker 1: much food stamps were not enough really to um, you know,

2710
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:54,840
Speaker 1: to feed families a few people. It's not nearly enough though,

2711
02:35:55,160 --> 02:35:57,760
Speaker 1: but at least it kind of pushes the needles where

2712
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:01,800
Speaker 1: we need where we needed to go. Um. And I

2713
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:06,800
Speaker 1: think I think, having having been so focused and so

2714
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:09,920
Speaker 1: like in the center of mutual aid work in l A,

2715
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm able to kind of broadly tell you know, tell

2716
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:17,720
Speaker 1: um really tell lawmakers too that hey, you know, there's

2717
02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:20,640
Speaker 1: so much um, there's so much meat out there, but

2718
02:36:20,680 --> 02:36:24,280
Speaker 1: the community themselves have built alternate food systems to be

2719
02:36:24,360 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 1: able to care for themselves. I feel like my hope

2720
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:33,800
Speaker 1: really is to be able to to kind of hyperlocalize

2721
02:36:33,800 --> 02:36:39,119
Speaker 1: our food systems that way. Neighborhoods and really like communities

2722
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:43,280
Speaker 1: are are essentially dictating their own you know, their own needs.

2723
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:45,920
Speaker 1: They're they're basically bringing in the resources that they want.

2724
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:49,440
Speaker 1: They're bringing in the kind of food that they want,

2725
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, and um, and really just working towards the

2726
02:36:53,360 --> 02:36:57,600
Speaker 1: real kind of food food sovereignty where people are able

2727
02:36:57,680 --> 02:37:03,000
Speaker 1: to to get the resources themselves. And and for me,

2728
02:37:03,160 --> 02:37:05,879
Speaker 1: I feel like mutual aid scares a lot of people

2729
02:37:05,959 --> 02:37:08,880
Speaker 1: because again it really is the sort of like, um,

2730
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the reason why we were able to a lot of

2731
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:15,039
Speaker 1: communities were able to to survive COVID. You know, we're

2732
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:18,600
Speaker 1: still doing it and it still ours so deep in

2733
02:37:18,680 --> 02:37:21,160
Speaker 1: it and and even like I try to tell students

2734
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:25,000
Speaker 1: to and like, you know, um, mutual aid isn't just

2735
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:28,640
Speaker 1: food or whatever. It's also like say your dad is

2736
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:33,160
Speaker 1: a pickup truck and your neighbor needs to move, I

2737
02:37:33,160 --> 02:37:36,200
Speaker 1: don't know their dining room table across town like that

2738
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:39,920
Speaker 1: is a form of mutual aid UM or Like there's

2739
02:37:39,959 --> 02:37:44,840
Speaker 1: there's so many things that especially a lot of immigrant

2740
02:37:44,879 --> 02:37:48,880
Speaker 1: communities that I that I work with. This this form

2741
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:53,440
Speaker 1: of care, community care, you know, has existed forever, and

2742
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:58,960
Speaker 1: it's just somehow elevated itself during the pandemic because, as

2743
02:37:58,959 --> 02:38:03,000
Speaker 1: we know, the safety net just wasn't enough. It didn't

2744
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:04,720
Speaker 1: it didn't it really didn't help me, you know, it

2745
02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't really help a lot of communities, and so this

2746
02:38:08,480 --> 02:38:13,240
Speaker 1: system essentially kept people afloat. And now we're trying to

2747
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:19,600
Speaker 1: figure out how to really create better ways to sustain

2748
02:38:19,680 --> 02:38:22,959
Speaker 1: it and to really create better ways to get the

2749
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:27,600
Speaker 1: resources directly to communities that need them. So that's kind

2750
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:29,640
Speaker 1: of where I'm adam. I'm working with other folks trying

2751
02:38:29,640 --> 02:38:31,720
Speaker 1: to figure out how to how to keep the sustainable

2752
02:38:32,120 --> 02:38:34,959
Speaker 1: and really have more agency over what kind of food

2753
02:38:34,959 --> 02:38:37,600
Speaker 1: and what kind of aid you want. How have people

2754
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:41,560
Speaker 1: that have been needing to access the mutual aiding the food,

2755
02:38:41,680 --> 02:38:45,800
Speaker 1: how have they been learning about your organization? UM I

2756
02:38:45,840 --> 02:38:48,960
Speaker 1: think honestly, all this stuff really happened by word of mouth.

2757
02:38:49,080 --> 02:38:52,120
Speaker 1: I think because I was I was already part of

2758
02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:56,360
Speaker 1: this huge coalition UM that's part of the Sophie knows that.

2759
02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:59,440
Speaker 1: For all, there's a group called street Watch, there's a

2760
02:38:59,480 --> 02:39:02,000
Speaker 1: group called Old Crowd Game, there's a group called like

2761
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:05,160
Speaker 1: There's there's all these different folks that basically are in

2762
02:39:05,320 --> 02:39:09,080
Speaker 1: our wide coalition. I haven't had to really advertise much

2763
02:39:09,160 --> 02:39:12,240
Speaker 1: like people just sort of like just kept telling others like, hey,

2764
02:39:12,280 --> 02:39:14,800
Speaker 1: you know, like Melissa Polos and her team were doing

2765
02:39:14,840 --> 02:39:19,600
Speaker 1: this and um Also as a COVID response, I created

2766
02:39:19,640 --> 02:39:25,680
Speaker 1: another um um uh like COVID initiative called Homemade Meals

2767
02:39:26,520 --> 02:39:32,480
Speaker 1: and and that is the partnership with another organization called YIS.

2768
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:35,680
Speaker 1: And so as of today, I think we're close to

2769
02:39:35,720 --> 02:39:41,400
Speaker 1: seventy meals UM that's all community lad. Yes, so we

2770
02:39:41,560 --> 02:39:45,520
Speaker 1: so we the smart of UM. We essentially created a

2771
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:48,560
Speaker 1: system where we uh we work with people who are

2772
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:52,800
Speaker 1: who are cooking homade meals in their homes and connecting

2773
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:56,560
Speaker 1: them to drivers. And so we have about six different

2774
02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:00,240
Speaker 1: um OR partners, so one of them is always it's

2775
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the same people, Kaytown, street Watch, Covenant House. They work

2776
02:40:05,400 --> 02:40:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot with Homeless Youth um L a can or

2777
02:40:08,280 --> 02:40:12,720
Speaker 1: in skid Row UM and a bunch of other mutual

2778
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:15,720
Speaker 1: aid groups in different areas of l A, so I

2779
02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:20,560
Speaker 1: recognize UM. At the beginning of COVID, a lot of

2780
02:40:20,600 --> 02:40:23,560
Speaker 1: my houseless neighbors were telling us that they were scared,

2781
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:27,440
Speaker 1: like because a lot of a lot of businesses were closing,

2782
02:40:27,560 --> 02:40:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of corner stores, restaurants, UM that the food

2783
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:37,680
Speaker 1: access completely shut off for them during at the beginning,

2784
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:40,680
Speaker 1: and I started to freak out. I was like, how

2785
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,599
Speaker 1: we're going to get food to people? And so UM

2786
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:48,840
Speaker 1: some friends who run UM basically they were kind of

2787
02:40:48,879 --> 02:40:53,200
Speaker 1: like a youth kind of youth focus or UM wanted

2788
02:40:53,240 --> 02:40:56,160
Speaker 1: to activate their you know, activate their community. They're like, hey,

2789
02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:58,480
Speaker 1: how can you help? What can we do? So we

2790
02:40:58,520 --> 02:41:02,400
Speaker 1: created this program basically that you know, figure out like, okay,

2791
02:41:02,480 --> 02:41:05,040
Speaker 1: well a lot of people want to have volunteer, but

2792
02:41:05,080 --> 02:41:07,880
Speaker 1: they can't leave home, So why don't they cooked meals

2793
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:11,520
Speaker 1: at home? And then we'll just pair him with drivers

2794
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:14,560
Speaker 1: we could pick it up safely, and so we just

2795
02:41:14,600 --> 02:41:17,240
Speaker 1: start doing that. We created this system too, and and

2796
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:21,280
Speaker 1: I think we honestly, I thought we were just gonna

2797
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:23,560
Speaker 1: do it for two months, but now we're what like,

2798
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:29,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen months later, seventy five thousand meals, over a

2799
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:39,000
Speaker 1: thousand volunteers, like it's been wild. Actually, Jamie friend dog

2800
02:41:39,080 --> 02:41:41,200
Speaker 1: experts she would be angry if we didn't state that.

2801
02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:46,840
Speaker 1: So Jamie, UM, Jamie actually is UM. It's one of

2802
02:41:46,879 --> 02:41:50,000
Speaker 1: our o G like like cooks, Like she started with

2803
02:41:50,040 --> 02:41:53,120
Speaker 1: home and made meals from the very beginning. UM, she's

2804
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of one of our That's kind of how we

2805
02:41:55,040 --> 02:41:57,680
Speaker 1: know her. UM. It's because she found she found that

2806
02:41:57,720 --> 02:42:01,720
Speaker 1: program UM. And it's been a while, it's been it's

2807
02:42:01,720 --> 02:42:05,160
Speaker 1: been so amazing to to really activate so many people

2808
02:42:05,160 --> 02:42:08,760
Speaker 1: across l A to cook for our houses neighbors. And

2809
02:42:08,840 --> 02:42:12,480
Speaker 1: so I haven't even fully digested our our team hasn't

2810
02:42:12,520 --> 02:42:14,760
Speaker 1: even full digested that the real impact of that. But

2811
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:18,480
Speaker 1: it's been seven five thousand meals UM made by the

2812
02:42:18,480 --> 02:42:22,680
Speaker 1: community for our for our houses neighbors. So so so

2813
02:42:22,760 --> 02:42:25,320
Speaker 1: that's yeah, so that I don't know, like I feel

2814
02:42:25,320 --> 02:42:29,720
Speaker 1: like and I truly believe they're just so much just

2815
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:34,039
Speaker 1: so much power and the people and really trying to

2816
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:38,200
Speaker 1: figure out ways to continue to you know, to create

2817
02:42:38,600 --> 02:42:43,080
Speaker 1: UM better systems where where we can redirect those resources

2818
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, UM to us to us and UM you

2819
02:42:50,280 --> 02:42:53,400
Speaker 1: know like really kind kind of break down these systems

2820
02:42:53,440 --> 02:42:56,440
Speaker 1: where you know, because because even people were telling me,

2821
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:58,320
Speaker 1: like folks who are like, you know, these sort of

2822
02:42:58,320 --> 02:43:01,560
Speaker 1: big institutions for institutions have been around for decades or

2823
02:43:02,040 --> 02:43:06,600
Speaker 1: even folks UM from like yeah, from like running food

2824
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:08,840
Speaker 1: dogs since the eighties were like, you know, how are

2825
02:43:08,840 --> 02:43:11,240
Speaker 1: you able to move so fast? I'm like, that's mutual aid.

2826
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:15,680
Speaker 1: That's like, that's mutual aid. Then our ability to not

2827
02:43:15,800 --> 02:43:20,080
Speaker 1: have to run through so much bureaucratic crap and red

2828
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:24,440
Speaker 1: tape is a reason why we were able to, you know,

2829
02:43:24,600 --> 02:43:30,840
Speaker 1: to to to create such huge impact because people believed

2830
02:43:30,879 --> 02:43:34,200
Speaker 1: in what we did and you know, and helped support us,

2831
02:43:34,280 --> 02:43:38,600
Speaker 1: funded us UM and we essentially just you know, just

2832
02:43:38,680 --> 02:43:41,280
Speaker 1: hit the ground running. We're able to figure out what

2833
02:43:41,360 --> 02:43:44,880
Speaker 1: people needed on the ground and just just got it

2834
02:43:44,920 --> 02:43:46,959
Speaker 1: to them. That's what that's it, you know, and we'll

2835
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:49,880
Speaker 1: figure out. If we don't have it, we're gonna keep

2836
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:52,039
Speaker 1: you know, we'll ask around for folks who have it,

2837
02:43:52,440 --> 02:43:56,959
Speaker 1: Like like UM, there's a group called SILA there. It's

2838
02:43:56,959 --> 02:44:00,879
Speaker 1: silver like UM and my friend Cat who's one of

2839
02:44:00,879 --> 02:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the co founders. She they also worked with with UM

2840
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:08,879
Speaker 1: with Houseless Folks and they do uh incredible work, like

2841
02:44:09,080 --> 02:44:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, providing showers, providing hot meals, providing reference services

2842
02:44:14,200 --> 02:44:19,280
Speaker 1: for folks. Um she she was great, I getting hygiene kids,

2843
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:21,360
Speaker 1: and so that's that was started me to wild between

2844
02:44:21,360 --> 02:44:23,520
Speaker 1: each other. Like she needed hot meals, so I gave

2845
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:25,920
Speaker 1: that to her on Saturdays, and then I needed like

2846
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:30,680
Speaker 1: hygiene kids, and so that's kind of like the basis, yeah, correctly,

2847
02:44:30,800 --> 02:44:32,879
Speaker 1: like I literally will give her two hundred meals, She'll

2848
02:44:32,879 --> 02:44:34,920
Speaker 1: give me two hundred hygen kids. And that was like

2849
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:38,920
Speaker 1: that throughout the pandemic, Like we just would share resources

2850
02:44:38,959 --> 02:44:43,240
Speaker 1: and people thought we were this huge org, but essentially

2851
02:44:43,320 --> 02:44:45,920
Speaker 1: it was just you know, literally like our friends and

2852
02:44:45,959 --> 02:44:47,760
Speaker 1: I talking to each other like hey, what do you

2853
02:44:47,800 --> 02:44:50,280
Speaker 1: have today? What do they have coming in today? And

2854
02:44:50,320 --> 02:44:53,119
Speaker 1: we just essentially kind of built this sort of cloud

2855
02:44:53,320 --> 02:44:58,400
Speaker 1: like sort of inventory. Right, so it's like Polos has

2856
02:44:58,640 --> 02:45:02,480
Speaker 1: a thousand meals and like Seela's got five hundred hygien kits,

2857
02:45:02,600 --> 02:45:08,480
Speaker 1: and like you know, street Watch as like fifteen tents

2858
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:10,960
Speaker 1: and like a hundred tarps. So it's like we all

2859
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,120
Speaker 1: were like, hey, you know, there's there's a houseless van

2860
02:45:13,280 --> 02:45:16,360
Speaker 1: on the corner of like Sunset or whatever that needs

2861
02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:19,280
Speaker 1: like blah blah blah. And so essentially just you know,

2862
02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:22,680
Speaker 1: just grab and go like Poles has meals and like

2863
02:45:22,760 --> 02:45:26,200
Speaker 1: Streetwatch has tents, and like k Towns got like the tarps.

2864
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:29,800
Speaker 1: So y'all just again beautifully just sort of started to

2865
02:45:29,879 --> 02:45:34,040
Speaker 1: like build this sort of sort of cloud like inventory

2866
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:38,000
Speaker 1: of stuff and it just worked and it's still working

2867
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:42,800
Speaker 1: so um and it's to assistant, Like is what what

2868
02:45:42,959 --> 02:45:45,400
Speaker 1: we're bringing up or at the beginning is talking about

2869
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:49,039
Speaker 1: how consistently you're able to you're able to have done

2870
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:51,920
Speaker 1: this work, which is if you're an l A resident,

2871
02:45:52,000 --> 02:45:55,720
Speaker 1: you know that you know the city's support is never consistent.

2872
02:45:56,680 --> 02:46:04,560
Speaker 1: So having that consistency is so vital. Yes, yes, right, yeah,

2873
02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm not thank you know, it's it's a lot of

2874
02:46:06,400 --> 02:46:08,840
Speaker 1: hard work. There's so much that people don't see. Obviously,

2875
02:46:08,840 --> 02:46:11,440
Speaker 1: there's so many, so many things that people don't see.

2876
02:46:11,480 --> 02:46:13,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of organizing behind it. Just literally a

2877
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:17,440
Speaker 1: lot of community building, a lot of meetings. I think

2878
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:21,599
Speaker 1: that again, like the bulk of mutual aid is relationships

2879
02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:24,280
Speaker 1: and trust, you know, like that that's that's really it.

2880
02:46:24,480 --> 02:46:27,800
Speaker 1: That's how you breathe life into your system. And it's

2881
02:46:27,840 --> 02:46:30,440
Speaker 1: like you know, you have to have you have to

2882
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:35,440
Speaker 1: continue to like nourish your relationships, you know, between yourself

2883
02:46:35,480 --> 02:46:38,200
Speaker 1: and other organizers, between yourself if you're running an order

2884
02:46:38,280 --> 02:46:42,200
Speaker 1: between yourself and another organ UM. And and really that's

2885
02:46:42,200 --> 02:46:44,440
Speaker 1: how we've been able to, you know, to to reach

2886
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:47,880
Speaker 1: so many people is because we focused on making sure

2887
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:51,840
Speaker 1: that you know, UM, it's so easy to to burn

2888
02:46:51,879 --> 02:46:54,160
Speaker 1: out in this work. But again, we also have to

2889
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:57,519
Speaker 1: make sure that we take care of each other. UM.

2890
02:46:57,600 --> 02:47:00,320
Speaker 1: And we we focused on making sure that we're checking

2891
02:47:00,360 --> 02:47:05,800
Speaker 1: out other two and so I, you know, it's it's

2892
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:08,640
Speaker 1: hard to fully explain what how do you even teach

2893
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:11,480
Speaker 1: that you know, how to how to how to properly

2894
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:14,200
Speaker 1: build relationships? But I feel like that's that's such a

2895
02:47:14,280 --> 02:47:20,320
Speaker 1: key part of creating a really robust mutual aid network. UM.

2896
02:47:20,360 --> 02:47:24,000
Speaker 1: And that's at least experience that you had. Yeah, those

2897
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:26,200
Speaker 1: are the work that you've done, and what you've been

2898
02:47:26,200 --> 02:47:30,840
Speaker 1: able to accomplish is very impressive and is is something

2899
02:47:30,840 --> 02:47:33,320
Speaker 1: that people lot of people can aspire to. UM. Is

2900
02:47:33,360 --> 02:47:36,039
Speaker 1: there any like resources online that you can point to

2901
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:39,920
Speaker 1: if someone's wanting to get into this type of work, UM,

2902
02:47:40,040 --> 02:47:43,200
Speaker 1: or any any like any kind of like advice to

2903
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:45,240
Speaker 1: get started in your own city or to like look

2904
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:47,360
Speaker 1: for stuff that's doing this similar that that's like, that's

2905
02:47:47,400 --> 02:47:55,680
Speaker 1: doing a similar thing. Um uh wow, let's see who

2906
02:47:55,760 --> 02:48:03,640
Speaker 1: has um gosh, that's a really really really good question. Um. Well, well,

2907
02:48:03,720 --> 02:48:06,240
Speaker 1: first I hope that people have read Mutual Aid by

2908
02:48:06,240 --> 02:48:11,000
Speaker 1: Dean Spade. Um. That's a really good book. Um. And

2909
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:15,240
Speaker 1: and from there I would read I would read The

2910
02:48:15,320 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 1: Black Panthers Social Programs. I get a lot of I

2911
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:24,280
Speaker 1: get a lot of my um my inspiration from there. Um.

2912
02:48:24,320 --> 02:48:27,240
Speaker 1: And really that's that's really those those two things to

2913
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:30,440
Speaker 1: kind of start as just sort of like your um,

2914
02:48:30,640 --> 02:48:34,200
Speaker 1: your primers um. And then if you want to kind

2915
02:48:34,200 --> 02:48:39,560
Speaker 1: of get deeper into food justice. Um uh, there's a

2916
02:48:39,560 --> 02:48:42,800
Speaker 1: really good book I get ready years ago. It's a

2917
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:46,480
Speaker 1: I think it's literally called food Justice one on one. Okay,

2918
02:48:47,120 --> 02:48:49,720
Speaker 1: let me see it's really called Yeah, it's call food

2919
02:48:49,720 --> 02:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Justice one on one. Yeah, there's there's quite a few,

2920
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:55,560
Speaker 1: but but one that's one. And then there's another. There's

2921
02:48:55,560 --> 02:48:57,920
Speaker 1: a one book um I read called More Than Just

2922
02:48:58,040 --> 02:49:03,400
Speaker 1: Food um. And then and it's it's pretty by Yeah,

2923
02:49:03,400 --> 02:49:05,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you guys my top five and that really

2924
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:10,000
Speaker 1: can help sort of, um like shape my thinking or

2925
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:12,039
Speaker 1: in food justice. So that's It's written by a guy

2926
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 1: named Garrett Broad and he essentially like kind of lays

2927
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:18,920
Speaker 1: out sort of how the industrial food system kind of

2928
02:49:18,920 --> 02:49:22,160
Speaker 1: created this huge crisis that we're in and you know,

2929
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:25,080
Speaker 1: like how there's there's really kind of an abundance of

2930
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:32,760
Speaker 1: food everywhere, but obviously yes, exactly and so and and

2931
02:49:32,760 --> 02:49:34,720
Speaker 1: and it also kind of lays out how food justice

2932
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:39,120
Speaker 1: activists UM who are in mostly low income communities of

2933
02:49:39,160 --> 02:49:44,039
Speaker 1: color help really build community based kind of solutions to

2934
02:49:44,200 --> 02:49:46,200
Speaker 1: these problems. And so that's really kind of where my

2935
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:51,280
Speaker 1: thinking and my my lens comes from is because I

2936
02:49:51,440 --> 02:49:54,959
Speaker 1: am a child of l A, I'm able to understand

2937
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:59,480
Speaker 1: what different neighborhoods need UM based on because I either

2938
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:03,800
Speaker 1: grew up there, work there, have family there, you know,

2939
02:50:03,879 --> 02:50:07,240
Speaker 1: what's school there, or just have friends or other organizers

2940
02:50:07,280 --> 02:50:10,160
Speaker 1: who live there. And so say, if you know, I

2941
02:50:10,480 --> 02:50:13,440
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in Ball Heights, but I have friends

2942
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:17,400
Speaker 1: who did. And so like, if I'm trying to build

2943
02:50:17,440 --> 02:50:20,240
Speaker 1: out a food program or mutual aid program and Ball Heights,

2944
02:50:20,920 --> 02:50:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to just walk in there and be like,

2945
02:50:22,959 --> 02:50:25,200
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna do it at you know, yeah,

2946
02:50:25,280 --> 02:50:28,320
Speaker 1: You're not gonna take over their their their saying exactly.

2947
02:50:28,360 --> 02:50:30,600
Speaker 1: But I think that's one thing I think I really

2948
02:50:30,600 --> 02:50:35,120
Speaker 1: want to for people to really especially for for for

2949
02:50:35,160 --> 02:50:37,120
Speaker 1: young people who want to get to food justice, Like

2950
02:50:37,160 --> 02:50:40,320
Speaker 1: you really have to really honestly do your research first

2951
02:50:40,440 --> 02:50:46,280
Speaker 1: and let the media leaders lead, um lead lead your

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Speaker 1: program with you. Right. And then there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: like making community connections and then trying to take over. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's a very very two very different things exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be extractive, right, you don't want

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Speaker 1: and you know, and and and really like you know,

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Speaker 1: And I keep trying to stress that, Yeah, is there

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Speaker 1: you online to keep up with the work. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: Just thank you for coming on to the show to

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