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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

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Speaker 1: is the Matt Williamson. And it is a snowy Friday

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Speaker 1: here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Pretty blustery parking lot walking, and well we're up here

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Speaker 1: Just blows right across. But if the weather is similar

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Speaker 1: to this tomorrow, it's not. The snow is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be gone, but it is supposed to be chilly, and Wendy,

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Speaker 1: I thought, and Wendy, yeah, yeah, what does that favor

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say the same thing. I mean, part

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Speaker 3: of me thinks Tomlin might just be like, we are

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Speaker 3: running the football, you know, and we're going to get

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Speaker 3: back to being ourselves for the playoffs, you know. And

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Speaker 3: Bengals aren't exactly great against the run. That wasn't the

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Speaker 3: case when they met first time, of course, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I part of me this thinks he might be like,

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Speaker 3: we're just going to be physical and we're going to

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Speaker 3: run the football, and that's all I care about in

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Speaker 3: this game. And let the chip Fall where they may

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Speaker 3: either way, they're the better running team and they have

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Speaker 3: the better defense.

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Speaker 1: So I got you was Chase Brown out right exact,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals may not have any running game, I know,

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Speaker 1: I thought they might even just abandon it to begin with,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, so you know, we'll see how this

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Speaker 1: become a factor in this game. Let's take a look.

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Speaker 1: We didn't take a look at to schedule earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. Let's let's look through this slate of games

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Speaker 1: this weekend and kind of look at who's playing. Doesn't yeah,

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Speaker 1: something really don't obviously, the Saturday games both both games meaningful.

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Speaker 1: You got Cleveland at Baltimore four thirty. You've got Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh at eight, both meaningful games, and overall, I

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Speaker 1: guess Brown's motivation is the only thing to question, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's been questionable all year long, right, and thus the

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Speaker 1: huge spread. Moving on to Sunday's slate, Carolina Atlanta. Atlanta

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Speaker 1: obviously still cares. If they own that game in Tampa,

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Speaker 3: And they're both at one, so they can't you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they can scoreboard watch a little. But they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Which is what I thought was going to happen with

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Speaker 3: And I think Carolina is gonna give everything they got too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, somebody teams that are eliminated. Oh yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: playing their guys. They're trying to establish something. Yes, Washington

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Speaker 3: But they're gonna they said they're gonna play their guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long though. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's one of those ones that it seems,

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Speaker 3: you know, Dallas is already out. I assume they'll play

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Speaker 3: Lamb's already shut down. Will Parsons played the whole game,

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Speaker 3: But Washington's the one to consider, Like I could see

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Speaker 3: And Washington Green Bay move I guess, yeah, question, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't won on the road in like four years,

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Speaker 1: right in a one o'clock game. Uh, Houston is at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo is at New England. Buffalo already they're gonna play.

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Speaker 1: Milton has got some first team reps for the Patriots

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Speaker 1: this week. Okay, I assume the Bills are going through

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Speaker 3: playing for jobs. I mean, they're gonna play their best

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Speaker 1: They'll also already know whether the Bengals have lost, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not easy, No, it's it's certainly not easy.

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Speaker 1: And they've already said like Pacheco is not playing, so

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Speaker 1: They might keep it close though, I think they'll keep

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Speaker 1: The Chargers have nothing to play for. If the Steelers

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Speaker 3: I don't think Harbaugh has shut it down kind of

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of injury, so Belichick earlier this

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Speaker 1: it's hard. You know, what do you mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: In Vegas has played well of late. Their defense have

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Speaker 3: McVeigh is, if you don't get me rest, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: rest them all. I don't think he cares one bit

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Miami is at New York. We know in

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Speaker 1: Miami would need to win and have Denver lose paying

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers to Pittsburgh stuff too? Can we can

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Speaker 1: another four to twenty five game. I don't think Arizona

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Speaker 3: I think they're making reservations elsewhe Yeah, yeah, it's been

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Speaker 3: a tough year, they're done, tying to be done.

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Speaker 1: And then the big game, the eight twenty game, Minnesota

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crucial, crucial. Yeah yeah, I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: get fun way to end the regular season. That's four

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Speaker 3: Sunday slate could be a little a little weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what games are going to be

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Speaker 3: And there's ten at least junk garbage teams, so there's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've already got We've got eleven teams with double

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Speaker 1: just Yeah, where do I draw the line yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean he didn't pull Brady out of those games. No,

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Speaker 1: I know, how do I feeld my worst eleven? Yeah? Right, well,

433
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Speaker 1: I don't care if you go out there and blow

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Speaker 1: your knee out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's thinking, right, anybody, there's nobody behind you.

436
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Speaker 3: It's worse than you, so you're gonna go out.

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Speaker 1: It's just like so in the comments section today on

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube again, a lot of Roman Wilson stuff,

439
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Speaker 1: a how do you go to a guy? How do

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Speaker 1: you go to Scotty Miller? Sais Scotty You've practiced all

441
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Speaker 1: season long, but we're gonna cut you because Roman Wilson's back.

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Speaker 1: He's practiced I counted them up in my head since

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Speaker 1: the start of training camp.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Roman Wilson's practiced about fifteen times all season long, while

446
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Speaker 1: including this week, and people want to shove him back

447
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Speaker 1: onto the never got a preseason game, He's never never

448
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Speaker 1: got a preseason game. He played five snaps in one

449
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Speaker 1: game this year. That was with three weeks of practice

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Speaker 1: leading up to that. When he came back from the

451
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Speaker 1: injury the first time, Yeah, he played five snaps in

452
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Speaker 1: the game. They were ready to start ramping him up

453
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Speaker 1: more and he got hurt again. That's the only time

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Speaker 1: he's ever put a uniform on. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: Like it just sends a bad message to everybody else

456
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Speaker 1: in that lock. Oh well, you know what's going to happen. Now,

457
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Speaker 1: I've been I've been here practicing all season long. I'm

458
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Speaker 1: out there and running scout team. I'm trying to make

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Speaker 1: our guys better. And oh, you're gonna cut me for

460
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Speaker 1: this guy because he's back. It's not how the Steelers operate,

461
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Speaker 1: nor is it how they should operate, because that's how

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Speaker 1: you get one of the one of the ways that

463
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Speaker 1: they've had success in getting undrafted free agent guys for example. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know. That's a big part of it is that

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Speaker 1: they don't once you're on the team. They don't look

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Speaker 1: at guys that guy's the first round draft pick, or

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Speaker 1: that guy's that guy's not drafted, rookie free agent. No, yeah, yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: Like you're all on the same footing here and the

469
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Speaker 1: agents know it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, man, you screwed my client a year ago

471
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Speaker 3: for no good reason, just because you wanted to.

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Speaker 1: This guy was drafted higher and he not wrong. How

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Speaker 1: many how many snaps, realistically would Roman Wilson get He

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Speaker 1: got five the last time he was acting. That was

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Speaker 1: after three weeks of practice returning, right, Like, he's not

476
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Speaker 1: gonna play on teams. You're gonna you're gonna offer him

477
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Speaker 1: up to Danny Smith, and Danny Smith's gonna go, what

478
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Speaker 1: am I gonna do with them? No, he can't be

479
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Speaker 1: a gunner. We didn't get to work with him at

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Speaker 1: all in the preseason on doing any of this stuff. Well,

481
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Speaker 1: he's not built for teams anyway, right, I mean unless

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Speaker 1: he's a returner. Yeah, right, he's not gonna run that

483
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Speaker 1: on punter kickoffs. So you know, all you're doing is

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Speaker 1: taking a roster spot away from somebody else who might

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Speaker 1: actually help the team win.

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Speaker 3: And you're actually taking a spot away from Danny. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 3: most likely it's somebody that can play teams.

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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks about. Like, yes, I understand the Steelers' receivers

489
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Speaker 1: haven't given you enough beyond pickens and you know some

490
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Speaker 1: of this, but no, yeah, he would have to be

491
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Speaker 1: head and shoulders above everybody that's try to keep coming

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Speaker 1: back or a first round draft pick coming back that

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Speaker 1: you you, oh, yeah, we got to get this guy

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Speaker 1: in the field. I would understand it. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: a third round guy. Yeah, he would have to be

496
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Speaker 1: dynamite in practice, dynamite, you know, like, boy, we really

497
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Speaker 1: got a special player here. He's practiced three times this week.

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Speaker 1: Tamp to breaks a little bit. People.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll get your chance at Roamin Wilson and Camp.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he'll be back next year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they had three injuries in this wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: yeah you can see out there, they're gonna need him.

503
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Speaker 1: But if not, and he's next man up, yeah, they

504
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Speaker 1: need somebody go down. Somebody would have to get hurt.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. I mean, now, I

506
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Speaker 1: understand the excitement. You want to see rookies and all

507
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Speaker 1: get it. They love one. Everyone loved the pick and

508
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Speaker 1: I thought was a good pick too. But you know,

509
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Speaker 1: there's no there's logistics to it a ton at this

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Speaker 1: point in the season. Everybody's spots on the roster. You're

511
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Speaker 1: on the roster at this point in the season because

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Speaker 1: you fill some kind of role. There's also a trust

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Speaker 1: factor too. I can't run the wrong route, you know.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I wanted came, you know is you

516
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: know Neo O'Donnell and Andre Hastings not reading the coverage

517
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Speaker 1: the same way, and you cut in and he and

518
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Speaker 1: the quarterback throws it out and it's picked six the

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Speaker 1: other way.

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Speaker 3: That's you don't want to get home from Houston with

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Speaker 3: the loss. Yeah you lost by six points or whatever. Right,

522
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Speaker 3: that's how that works. Right, you can't have it anyways.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Driver on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. When we return, will be joined

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Speaker 3: by Steelers Sideline reporter Missy Matthews right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network, and we are welcome in on the Justin

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Speaker 1: Miller Hotline. Steelers Sideline reporter Missy Matthews, and Missy, I

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Speaker 1: hope you got some more clothing for Christmas because this

535
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Speaker 1: is chilly out there now. Eight o'clock game Saturday night

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Speaker 1: against the Bengals at Akrashuer Stadium. That doesn't figure to

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Speaker 1: be real warm Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: No, it takes me back to the Christmas Eve game

539
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Speaker 4: against the Raiders. As soon as I saw that it

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Speaker 4: was a night game. Well, first of all, it was not.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't on Sunday. And then you know, of course

542
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Speaker 4: the Ravens got the earlier game. But yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be cold, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: bring out all my all my stuff.

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Speaker 3: Assuming we get some sort of weather. It doesn't sound

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Speaker 3: like it's gonna be terrible, but it could be cold,

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Speaker 3: windy day. When I were thinking that greatly favors the Steelers,

548
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Speaker 3: you know, run the ball, be the more physical team,

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Speaker 3: not relying on the passing game as much.

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Speaker 4: You agree, Yeah, no doubt. I mean I think especially

551
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Speaker 4: you know, Chase Brown with his ankle sprain, and you

552
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Speaker 4: know what Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T Higgins

553
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Speaker 4: like to do. Absolutely, and it would be good for

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Speaker 4: the Steelers to, you know, get the old pickup truck

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Speaker 4: going before the playoffs and get that run game going

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Speaker 4: as Arthur Smith had referred to it.

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Speaker 1: You know, a few games, I wonder if they just

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Speaker 1: really run the ball like crazy to set the tone

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Speaker 1: for the playoffs too, you know, like we need to

560
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Speaker 1: goal number one of course is winning, but goal one

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Speaker 1: a might be we need to be the most physical

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Speaker 1: team out there and get a running game role and

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Speaker 1: to get ready for the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the you know, winning the line of

565
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Speaker 4: scrimmage on both sides would be huge, just to have

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Speaker 4: that momentum, to get that taste back in your mouth

567
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Speaker 4: of what we have seen them do before the three

568
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Speaker 4: game losing streak. It just it does feel like it's

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Speaker 4: one of those games where they need to win it

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Speaker 4: just to like prove it to themselves before the postseason begins,

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Speaker 4: because you don't want to be one and done. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure it would you know, low icing on the cake

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Speaker 4: to make sure the Bengals don't make it. So I

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Speaker 4: just feel like it's, you know, all of the games

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Speaker 4: that have backup quarterbacks starting at least this one. It

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Speaker 4: feels like, Okay, this is going to be like a

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Speaker 4: legit game because there's going to be some games on

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Speaker 4: Sunday that are going to be unwatchable.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we just went through the schedule and

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Speaker 1: actually there's not just some games. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: game to be watchable. So if you have something untill Sunday.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be that hard to figure out

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Speaker 1: something else to do other than watching the NFL, especially

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Speaker 1: the one o'clock right yuck uh, Missy. When when the

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Speaker 1: smoke clears from this? However this game plays out, do

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Speaker 1: you expect that the Steelers will figured out some of

587
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Speaker 1: the communication issues that they they had or have been

588
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Speaker 1: having on defense.

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Speaker 4: I'm very hopeful. I think I'm more hopeful about the

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Speaker 4: defense figuring it out because of the extended break that

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Speaker 4: they've had since their last game, which does feel like

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Speaker 4: like a year ago that Christmas was here and the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs are in town.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is our second time talking to you, and

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Speaker 1: we haven't had a game in between.

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Speaker 4: It's so weird, you know. I think we were just

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Speaker 4: like everyone put their head down and went through the

598
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Speaker 4: grind of those three games in eleven days, and then

599
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Speaker 4: you could finally, you know, come up for air and

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Speaker 4: you're like, wait a second, when's the next game. It's

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Speaker 4: very weird, But yeah, I just think that you know

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Speaker 4: that the defense has to figure it out. I feel

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Speaker 4: like they're doing all the right things, they're saying all

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Speaker 4: the right things, and it's a home games again, you're

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Speaker 4: going against a team that is fighting for its playoff life.

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Speaker 4: They need help obviously, but like they still have to

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Speaker 4: win this game first. The Steelers have been in this

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Speaker 4: position before that the Bengals are in you know, going

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Speaker 4: back to even just last year. So it is something

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Speaker 4: that hopefully we're not seeing, you know, hands in the

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Speaker 4: air and guys kind of looking at each other like

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Speaker 4: who was supposed to have that guy? How did we

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Speaker 4: get beaten? The flat?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you never like to see the Spider Man meme

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Speaker 1: taking place on the on the field where all the

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Speaker 1: Spider Man's are pointing at each other. That's that's not

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Speaker 1: good in terms of the communication with some of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot written about other Steelers are

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Speaker 1: bickering and all this kind of stuff. Did you see

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Speaker 1: any of that on the sidelines in terms of guys

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Speaker 1: yelling at each other and stuff like that happens all

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Speaker 1: the time, I understand, but everybody, I think people are

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Speaker 1: making maybe a bit too much of this. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are in fighting. I don't necessarily see that.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean I definitely think, you know, especially when

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Speaker 4: you get to the third loss and it just pulled

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Speaker 4: away from them because at halftime. They were still in

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Speaker 4: that game the third loss. You know, I think, of

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Speaker 4: course you're gonna it's more like the body language, but

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Speaker 4: it's not like guys telling each other off or getting

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Speaker 4: in faces. Of course you're gonna have the you know,

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Speaker 4: the few and far between like kind of dust ups

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Speaker 4: or whatnot. But I really don't think that it's a

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Speaker 4: personal attack on each other. Sometimes I think it's just

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Speaker 4: like frust. Yeah, and it's just like boils over. Not

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Speaker 4: that it's like you know, finger pointing, going back to

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Speaker 4: your your meme. But no, like I didn't a fistfight

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Speaker 4: and any of the three lasses, if that's what people

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Speaker 4: think is happening. But I do think that they are

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Speaker 4: all very blunt with each other. Like Deshaun Elliott, you know,

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Speaker 4: he said what I said after that Christmas game. I

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00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: should not have said publicly, but it's something I would

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Speaker 4: say in the locker room or to my teammates and whatnot,

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Speaker 4: and agree. I think they're all like that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: think about Cam Hayward. When you get him upset about something,

646
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Speaker 4: you know you might want to stay away from Cam.

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Speaker 1: You're going to hear about it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm yeah, like his teammates know that too. I'm

649
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Speaker 4: sure I think it's probably a lot of very blunt conversations.

650
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Speaker 4: There was a little bit of it of Cam talking

651
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Speaker 4: it looked like to the defensive line guys on hard

652
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Speaker 4: knocks in this latest episode, just kind of setting the tone.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Cam's one of those voices that Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin respects, lets him vocalize what he's thinking. And Cam

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Speaker 4: has a respect of everybody. He's been here before, he's

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Speaker 4: done it, and he is somebody that cares deeply about

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Speaker 4: this team and about winning and about you know, getting

658
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Speaker 4: t J. Watt his first playoff win, all of this,

659
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Speaker 4: all of this stuff. Cam, you know, he's like the

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Speaker 4: historian slash veteran leader of the entire team.

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Speaker 1: So Nause and Jalen are both going to get their touches.

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Speaker 1: But do you think we're in the kind of the

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Speaker 1: midst of Jalen Warren becoming the one A and Nause

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Speaker 1: not being the backup but being the one be.

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Speaker 4: It does feel like that, And I think especially when

666
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Speaker 4: you just kind of look at the numbers, you know,

667
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Speaker 4: one of the NFL research packets had, you know, Jalen

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Speaker 4: Warren's average seventy scrimmage yards per game since Week seven.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just feel like you see what he

670
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Speaker 4: does in terms of just it's just like sheer determination

671
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Speaker 4: and will and just put his head down and goes

672
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Speaker 4: and you know that's how you said earlier. You know,

673
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Speaker 4: if it's a if it's a bad weather game, you

674
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Speaker 4: want to run the ball. Plus the clock goes down,

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Speaker 4: it goes faster, less hints of injuries, Like there's just

676
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Speaker 4: a number of reasons, and it does feel like he's

677
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Speaker 4: kind of taken over that angry running that you know

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Speaker 4: we saw from Naji earlier in this season with his

679
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Speaker 4: one hundred yard games. But it does feel more like

680
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Speaker 4: it's swinging in Jalen's favor of it just working out.

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Speaker 1: Missy. We saw for Steelers name to the Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: roster yesterday. There's been some pushback on Minca making it.

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Speaker 1: And my theory on this whole thing was this Minca

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Speaker 1: didn't win the fan vote. That was a money hooker

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Speaker 1: from the Tennessee Titans, which tells me that Minca did

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Speaker 1: win or overwhelmingly had the votes of the coaches and

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Speaker 1: the other players in the league, and to me that's

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Speaker 1: more important. And so people thinking that Minca doesn't deserve

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Speaker 1: to be in the Pro Bowl this year. Might want

690
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Speaker 1: to just take a step back and look at that.

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Speaker 1: If the players and coaches voted for this guy as

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Speaker 1: the number one free safety in the AFC, maybe he

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Speaker 1: is doing some things right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do think sometimes, you know, you can

695
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Speaker 4: get into the Probow stuff where it's like name recognition.

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Speaker 4: Mika even said, what like, you know, I hadn't been

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Speaker 4: as splashy, So I don't know, but I do think,

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Speaker 4: you know, coach Tomlin talks about all the time, Tia,

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Speaker 4: every time they're asked about Mica and the lack of splash.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we saw the first interception in Baltimore just two

701
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Speaker 4: games ago. But agree, I think you know, everybody in

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Speaker 4: terms of around the league and on his team respects

703
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Speaker 4: what he means to the defense and kind of the

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Speaker 4: blue that helps keep it all together and is really

705
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Speaker 4: the last line of defense, you know, when things don't

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Speaker 4: go right in front of him.

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Speaker 1: Would you expect to see justin fields in this game

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Speaker 1: in some capacity, I mean even just one snap and

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Speaker 1: think he gets in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I do. I think, you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: we would have seen a bigger plan for him during

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Speaker 4: you know, the three game losing streak. We clearly saw

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Speaker 4: him in Philly, but then he you know, dealing with

714
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Speaker 4: that injury, he was the emergency guy or out completely.

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Speaker 4: So I do kind of feel like we need to

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Speaker 4: get back to maybe some little Justin field surprises. They

717
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Speaker 4: didn't do it, Oh, no, they did do it. And

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Speaker 4: what did he have like two or three snaps in Cincinnati?

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he had the run at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game, finish it off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it was only two or three. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's good, and I think it's you still don't know

723
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Speaker 4: who you're playing yet for the wildcard round, so it's

724
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Speaker 4: you know, put some stuff on tape, make other opposing

725
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Speaker 4: defensive coordinators have to think about it, and who knows,

726
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Speaker 4: maybe it's something that can help them, you know, if

727
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Speaker 4: they're in a situation that they need to get out of.

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Speaker 4: Then we know that Justin can use his legs and

729
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Speaker 4: clearly has the trust of the coaching staff and the players.

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Speaker 1: Well, Missy, we appreciate your time and we'll let you

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Speaker 1: get back to enjoying your day without the kids. For

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Speaker 1: the first time.

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Speaker 4: Only forty five more.

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Speaker 1: Minutes, our guest has been Missy. Matthew Steelers sideline reporter.

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Speaker 1: She drops by. She does every frame throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of the season. We appreciate that. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. And this is the Drive on

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Speaker 1: the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 1: after this.

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Speaker 2: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt an interesting discussion with somebody on

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Speaker 1: social media on the ex Twitter. It can be interesting discussions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Samuel Klein, I wrote today in my in my five

747
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Speaker 1: for Friday about Chris Bosworth Boswell, I should say Bosworth,

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Speaker 1: Brian Bosworth, Chris Boswell. I do that. I think you

749
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Speaker 1: got that from me. I have talked on that a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. We share a brain. So there's that.

751
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Speaker 1: But so he needs he's probably not going to break

752
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Speaker 1: the all time record for field goals in a season. Yeah,

753
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Speaker 1: I need to kick four in this game to tie

754
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Speaker 1: David Akers record from twenty eleven. He has one hundred

755
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: and fifty three points through the first sixteen games, Acres

756
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Speaker 1: has the NFL record for that with one hundred and

757
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Speaker 1: sixty six, so he could get there.

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Speaker 3: It's not crazy. Yeah, if it's a barn burner like

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Speaker 3: it wasn't Cincinnati, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be something along those lines. And so

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Speaker 1: I wrote about that, talked to bos Well about it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, he said, look, I don't care about

763
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Speaker 1: the record is you know, if we need four field

764
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Speaker 1: goals to win the game, great, I'll go kick them.

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Speaker 1: If we don't and we win, great, I'm fine with

766
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Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, and wins more important. Right. And Samuel

767
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: Klein right so on that wrote to me on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter and he says, my belief is a record is

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Speaker 1: if a record was originally set when playing fourteen or

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Speaker 1: sixteen games, it cannot be tired or broken because the

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Speaker 1: league extended by a season an extra game. Same for

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Speaker 1: thousand yard rushing seasons. That does not take away from

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Speaker 1: that Boss is a great team player. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The NFL also used to play twelve games seasons. The

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Speaker 1: NFL doesn't differentiate records. I know. The other thing here

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Speaker 1: to me is that if you look at Acres season

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Speaker 1: compared to boswell season, Acres was forty four or fifty

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Speaker 1: two will goals that year. Okay, they just had a

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Speaker 1: lot of attempts. Yeah, Boswell's forty of forty three. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I don't care if it took him seventeen games

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Speaker 1: to get there. To me, the fact that he would

782
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Speaker 1: do it in fewer attempts just kind of reinforces the

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Speaker 1: fact that he has been better this year. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think there's two different conversations who had the better year,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's Boz. Yeah, you know, and like

786
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Speaker 3: I said, there's a lot of misses there for acres

787
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Speaker 3: a lot. You know, it's a lot, and I'm sure

788
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: and of course the league changes. I mean, it's not

789
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Speaker 3: like it was ancient history. But people are hitting longer

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Speaker 3: ones now than ever. And Bozz's misses are actually good misses.

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Speaker 3: One's you know, one's a block, ones in terrible conditions,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and one super long. However, I'm

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Speaker 3: kind of with this guy here too, that if Barkley

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Speaker 3: would have played and beat Dickerson, we have one more opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Here's the laugh. If you look at the stats, Dickerson

796
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Speaker 1: had about three hundred and eighty carries that season. Okay, right,

797
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Speaker 1: now Barkley has three hundred and forty five. Again, he

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Speaker 1: may have a better year, but more opportunities to break

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Speaker 1: a cumulit record. The record is the record. The NFL

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Speaker 1: doesn't look at this. It's the same thing in basement,

801
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: like when Major League Baseball put the asterisks on Roger

802
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Morris's home run record. It was wrong to do so

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00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: you changed the rules. The league changed the rules. The

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Speaker 1: league decided, no, we're going to go from one hundred

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Speaker 1: and whatever it was, one hundred and forty games to

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two, one hundred and fifty four

807
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Speaker 1: it was to one hundred and sixty two. The player

808
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: didn't say, oh, no, I'm only going to break this

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Speaker 1: record in one hundred and fifty four. You play the

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Speaker 1: games that are put in front of you, and if

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Speaker 1: you break the record, you break the record. Because the

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Speaker 1: league doesn't. The NFL doesn't say, well, we got records

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Speaker 1: for pre nineteen whatever when they before they went to

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Speaker 1: from twelve to fourteen games, and then we have our

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Speaker 1: records when they're fourteen games, and then we have our

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Speaker 1: records when they're sixteen games.

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Speaker 3: They just call them the record, which I get, and

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Speaker 3: I think there's two different conversations here though, you know,

819
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Speaker 3: like who had the better year is different than who

820
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Speaker 3: has the record. To me, like Dickerson might not have

821
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Speaker 3: had the best year in running back history just because

822
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Speaker 3: he ended up with the most yards. I mean, anyone

823
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Speaker 3: that played in the twelve game ear or less has

824
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Speaker 3: no chance to have the record. That doesn't mean they

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Speaker 3: had lesser years.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why when you know, when people talk about

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Speaker 1: Jim Brown, right, like you know, right, right, But then

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Speaker 1: people will also argue, well, he was as big as

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Speaker 1: all the defensive line money was playing against, therefore he's better.

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Speaker 3: I mean, right, I mean, if somebody was Jordan Malatta's size,

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Speaker 3: running a four to four, he'd be the best back

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Speaker 3: in the league. And that's who he was, you know,

833
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Speaker 3: Jim Brown. So the two examples I use a lot

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Speaker 3: which are along these lines or baseball ones my specialty,

835
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Speaker 3: but like I think you have to judge them against

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Speaker 3: who they're playing against at the time. You know, I

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Speaker 3: always use the Babe Ruth comparison. If he has more

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Speaker 3: home runs than half the teams in the league, he's

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Speaker 3: way better than everyone else in the league. Where Bob

840
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Speaker 3: Gibson had the best era ever. But that year was

841
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: the lowest era in MLB history or whatever, So it's relative. Yes,

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Speaker 3: they're all awesome years, but his one point one two

843
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Speaker 3: I should know the numbers I don't might not be

844
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Speaker 3: better than Greg Maddox's best year or Clemens's best year

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Speaker 3: and Nolan Ryan's best year. When the ball was flying

846
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Speaker 3: out of the park, the game also changed, of course.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, like Ricky Henderson just died last two weekends, Yeah,

848
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Speaker 1: two weekends ago. Ricky Henderson holds the all time record

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Speaker 1: for stolen bases in Major League Baseball. He's over fourteen

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Speaker 1: hundred stolen bases, and people don't steal bases anymore. Right,

851
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Speaker 1: for somebody to beat Ricky Henderson's record, they would have

852
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Speaker 1: to steal seventy bases a year for twenty consecutive years,

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Speaker 1: and that would only get them within six Like he

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Speaker 1: has fourteen hundred and six and they're still lost. Yeah,

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00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: they've been in the last since since the year two thousand.

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00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: We're going back quite a ways here. Four guys have

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Speaker 1: stolen seventy bases in a season. That's what I say,

858
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Speaker 1: Like what leads the league? Now? Like if you have

859
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: fifty do you leave? You have seventy now league. Yeah,

860
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: he's seventy now is an ridiculous number. He was still

861
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: one hundred plus bases on a regular basis.

862
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh I remember, even like Tim Rains back

863
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: then and Vince Coleman.

864
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I say. The game is. The

865
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: games do change, sure, And when Dickerson played, everybody was

866
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: running the football.

867
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean Wayne Gretzky had a thousand points when

868
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: he was twenty three years old.

869
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's insanity. And I don't know a ton

870
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: about NBA either, but I'm sure the three point numbers

871
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: are blown to smithereens, you know, compared to ten years ago.

872
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: They shoot forty of them a game, right, Larry Bird

873
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: was a good three point shooter, but he's not up.

874
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: He wasn't thrown up fifteen of them a game. Yeah.

875
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: Right back to the original conversation though, for Bos's record

876
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: or Barkley's record, And it's not fun. But like when

877
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I do my stat pack, I don't do the receiving

878
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: leader and they've played ten games and someone only played

879
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: nine because of bye, I do receiving yards per game

880
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: and that's not sexy, you know, But like who has

881
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: the most the rush. The single season rushing champion leader

882
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: in NFL history should ever should be whoever has the

883
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: most rushing yards per game. Okay, so with X amount

884
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: of games, kind of one big game and then get hurt.

885
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Right now, Barkley needs he needs exactly one hundred and

886
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: one yards or whatever to break the record. So if

887
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: he played in this game and got the same number

888
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: of carry let's say he has three forty five in

889
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: terms of carries right now, Dickerson had I think three

890
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: seventy nine. So if but the carry thing doesn't matter

891
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: to me. It matters to me who had the better year.

892
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: But I don't care.

893
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: That's like saying, well, yeah, you came to plate more often,

894
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: so you should have more home run.

895
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, but I'll just let's say he had two hundred

896
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: rushing yards against the Giants, yea, and blows the record,

897
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: blows the record away. Does that then diminish the record

898
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: because well he did it in seventeen games?

899
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: No, because he still might whatever his rushing total was

900
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: divided by seventeen might be still better than what Dickerson was.

901
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: And then to me, it was a better year, not

902
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: necessarily a better year, but a better accomplishment.

903
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, But they don't look at

904
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: they used the yardage as the as the record. They

905
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: don't use yards per game as the record, but I

906
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: know they don't. I'm just saying that's for example, when

907
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: when TJ Wat tied the all time sack record single

908
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: season sack record, he did in fifteen games, not seventeen.

909
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: He missed two games. I know nobody looked at that

910
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: and said, well, yeah, but he did it in an

911
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: extra game. No, because he didn't actually one fewer game.

912
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: But let's say hypothetically, Lawrence Taylor is the best pass

913
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: rusher have ever lived. And I know in his era

914
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: they weren't playing twelve, But if that was a twelve

915
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: game series season, he did no chance, you know what

916
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean, Like might have a chance. Not against the

917
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: guy who's played seventeen games. Yeah, I mean it played.

918
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: He's the best ever. If he's the best ever, if

919
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: he ever played twelve games, he played sixteen, he's a

920
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: bad example. But I'm the twelve. If Joe Green's the

921
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: best pass rusher in NFL history, if somebody you know,

922
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: whoever it is, or whoever, the twelve game guys have

923
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: no chance. The only thing that the league differentiates, and

924
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: you'll see this a lot, is you'll see pre than

925
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: that pre nineteen seventy merger and post nineteen seventy merger.

926
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: That's the way league one. That's the only differential things

927
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: that the league uses, because you know, if you look

928
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: at the pre nineteen seventy stuff, if you're going to

929
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: look at the who is the best, totally different team,

930
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: the best receiver ever, you know, you're looking at Don

931
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: Hudson who was putting up eighteen hundred yards in twelve

932
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: game season.

933
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: That's baby Ruth hitting more home runs than you know,

934
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: the other teams. Yeah, I mean, like off the charts stuff.

935
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: Right again, it is Apple's oranges.

936
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: But I do think but it was also a completely

937
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: different ballgame back then. I know.

938
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean again, I think there's two different conversations of

939
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: who has the record, who accumulates the most, and who

940
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: had the best year. And to me, the best year

941
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: is comparing them to only to who they played against.

942
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: But the best the record is the record it is.

943
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: And that doesn't diminish Boz or Barkley at all. But

944
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: when they're playing twenty games, all these are going to

945
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: be gone to you know what I mean, part of it.

946
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: It's fine. I mean, it's doesn't make it less.

947
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll ever be playing twenty games.

948
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: They'll be playing eighteen. I think that's coming up. I

949
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: mean eighteen, verse, twelve, fifty more. But again in the NFL,

950
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: they don't look at that seventy stuff is it's not

951
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: the same. But I think they should. I'm not saying

952
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: that should be the record, but if they if you

953
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: told me, I forget when they stopped playing twelve games.

954
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Was oj a twelve game guy? I think a couple

955
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, yeah, I think seventy eight was the

956
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: first year. If he averaged seven, No, when they went

957
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: to fourteen to sixteen, it was like seventy eight.

958
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if in seventy six Peyton or Juice average

959
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty five rushing yards per game and

960
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: Barkley averages one twenty a game.

961
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: But they had better years. There's a difference between the

962
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: better year and the record. The record. Now, the record

963
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: is the record for conversation, right, and to me, there's

964
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: there's no asterisk next to the next to the record. Now,

965
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: this was sixteen games, and that was seventeen the records,

966
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: the record. It's also harder to play seventeen games than twelve.

967
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: There's that as well.

968
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: There's there's counter arguments to that as well. I mean,

969
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: your body has to with stand that many more hits.

970
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: You're also doing a heck of a lot more travel.

971
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I understand the travel was harder back, you know, thirty

972
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: five years ago, but you're traveling a lot. You know,

973
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: I gotta go to I gotta go play a game

974
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: in London and then come back and play the next

975
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: week in the United States, and then I'm flying to

976
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I mean, it's just a different yeah.

977
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean they're not on a train with Babe Ruth,

978
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: but I mean it it is everything. It's apple taxing, right, yeah,

979
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: no question. And you're playing on Thursdays and you're playing

980
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: on Saturday. And then you're like they didn't do that either,

981
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: no know, and even like the back of like the

982
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth conversation too, it is one hundred years ago

983
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: when he played more even but he didn't play against

984
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: African Americans, he didn't play.

985
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Against Latino, right. I mean it's a lot different group,

986
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: you know. I Mean, hockey wasn't guys.

987
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: Were throwing a hundred either. You know, but guys weren't

988
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: throwing a hundred either, right, right, right?

989
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: I mean Bobby or didn't play against Russians, and you know,

990
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm in a different world.

991
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Just an interesting discussion, is it is? So

992
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: what do you think? Let us know in your comments

993
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: in the on the YouTube channel. We'll check those out.

994
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Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for our number one.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening

996
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