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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out.

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Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jay Glazer and a lot of you guys know

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Speaker 3: this man as well. Pretty much. Man, anytime you want

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Speaker 3: to know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, on the spot, on the moment, but

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Speaker 1: immediately you go to his site. He is the owner

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Speaker 1: and creator of Pro Football Talk. My good friend Mike Florio,

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Speaker 1: who man. Mike and I have both come from a

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Speaker 1: very different background in how we got to covering the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and we both got murdered for it for years, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's why you and I have a certain

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Speaker 1: respect for each other.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in, Mike, Gloria.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, Door great, door great.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me and we've always had that connection.

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Speaker 2: Most people would be surprised by that, and I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in the business aren't even wear

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Speaker 2: of it. It's not something that we wear on our

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Speaker 2: chests or anything. But we did get in differently. We

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Speaker 2: both kind of slipped in through either an unlocked window

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Speaker 2: or a back door. Well, but the people But the

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Speaker 2: people who I think I just showed up and slept

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Speaker 2: on the couch and then they paid no attention to me,

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Speaker 2: and they realized they had to. But the people who

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Speaker 2: have the actual journalism training paid their dues, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: check the boxes, work different beats. They resent anyone who

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Speaker 2: comes in. I don't take issue with that. It's a

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Speaker 2: natural response. It just makes our experience different because we

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Speaker 2: become the target of derision and resentment and just animosity

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Speaker 2: because we found a way in that was unconventional and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't easier. That's the thing. There's always this belief, Oh,

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Speaker 2: you you like it was in some way. No, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't easier. It's just different.

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Speaker 4: You're just different in some respects harder.

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Speaker 1: Look, I want to kind of compare it here. So

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Speaker 1: for my journey, I started in ninety three, and I

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Speaker 1: was the first guy to start relationships when it was

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Speaker 1: it was not allowed because you were supposedly you're not

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Speaker 1: objective if you start relationships with players and coaches and

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Speaker 1: front office. And I'm like, no, I think you guys

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Speaker 1: are an objective. If a player doesn't talk to you,

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Speaker 1: you kill them. I think the other way around. And

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Speaker 1: obviously I did it differently by starting an MMA training

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Speaker 1: program to.

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Speaker 3: Train these guys. Then I got chilled for that.

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Speaker 1: Even though I gave the money to the coaches, the

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Speaker 1: fighters who were doing it, never took it for myself.

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Speaker 3: But where it hurt was, you know, it took me.

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Speaker 1: I really started in turning in ninety at fan and

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Speaker 1: worked in ninety one NFL Draft, and I got my

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Speaker 3: So that was a long, long, long journey. So that's

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Speaker 3: where my resentment kind of comes from. You said it earlier.

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Speaker 1: I think Well said you kind of slept on the

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Speaker 3: They're forced to notice. You. Tell me about those.

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Speaker 1: Early days where you were trying to get people to

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Speaker 2: Well, And I don't remember much about how I felt

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Speaker 2: Because I had found a way to create a platform

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Speaker 2: don't have to uproot your life and move to New York,

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Speaker 2: But I just remember a great feeling of fun and enjoyment,

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Speaker 4: And that was a great feeling when it came to fruition.

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Speaker 2: It's a great feeling when you have it, but you

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Speaker 2: don't know that it's going to be right. But man,

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Speaker 2: when it pays off, it's like I was right all along,

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Speaker 2: just had something deep inside me that told me just

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Speaker 2: keep doing what you're doing, just keep going. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we went years without making a penny. I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: went years without making a penny, nine constantly.

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Speaker 4: I paid to do it.

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Speaker 2: I had to tell my wife, look, I need a hobby,

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Speaker 2: and if I golf, it's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: we went multiple years without making a penny. But I

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Speaker 4: If we keep doing it, if we.

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Speaker 2: Keep doing it, then it's gonna eventually take off and

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Speaker 2: it'll be the only thing I do and I can

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Speaker 3: I want to hit them before though. Look, we're both

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Speaker 1: Like you said, you went to the University of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: if you went to Syracuse, you went to afford them,

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Speaker 1: and you've got a job covering something for you know,

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Speaker 1: not the route that either one of us had. But

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Speaker 3: And again, it took me my first eleven years.

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Speaker 1: I was making nine four hundred and fifty bucks a year,

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Speaker 1: and thank God Almighty in Heaven that my baby sister,

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan drove me back into New York City every

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Speaker 1: but back then, I was like, you know what, when

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Speaker 1: I first walked into the Giant locker room, I'm like, Man,

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 3: Beat these guys at their own job. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't have their education, I don't have their experience.

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Speaker 1: But how the fuck can I be different? Well, if

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Speaker 1: these fuckers work forty hours a week thirty four, I'm

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Speaker 3: And I'll do it different, Like I'm gonna start relationships.

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Speaker 3: And I knew eventually it would fucking pay off. I

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget standing on a driving arrangement with Tiki

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Speaker 1: Barber and I'd gotten turned down by every agent. I

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Speaker 1: with the fuck, He said, got your full time job

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Speaker 1: with CBS. They got football back. You're gonna be there,

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Speaker 1: you want how much it's for it, I said, I

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Speaker 3: I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Different validated me being different and people are afraid to

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Speaker 3: Different is good. Different leads to success. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: for fifty.

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Speaker 1: Grand, fifty is a lot more than nine thousand, four

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Speaker 3: What was your kind of and that was my moment?

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Speaker 3: I sometimes get emotional talking about that.

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Speaker 1: What was your moment when you're like, man, I put

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Speaker 3: Money, But oh man, this is real. I can exhale.

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Speaker 3: It's a real thing for me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it was when Sprint came along, which

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Speaker 2: is now defunct. It got gobbled up by T Mobile.

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Speaker 2: But in early two thousand and six there is no

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Speaker 2: because that's how loyal I am, even though we have

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Speaker 2: when or how. But it was early two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, real.

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Speaker 3: Quick, real quick.

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Speaker 1: Well, Prick, I was a Sprint spokesman and one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I wanted from them was a burner phone.

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Speaker 1: So the Patriots in the league, because I was convinced

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Speaker 1: they were tapping phones, wow, especially after Spygate. So I

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Speaker 1: got a burner phone and it went to some poor

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma or something. I got a burner phone from them.

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Speaker 1: It's part of my deal to be the Sprint just

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Speaker 1: in case they and people were people were definitely uh,

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Speaker 1: they had called her. There was They were definitely tapping

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Speaker 3: But there's there was no way to get back to me.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead. I've never told that story before. Good.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that sounds pretty good. There's a lot there.

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Speaker 2: Who was it that was calling How do you know

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Speaker 3: We called the lady. We called the lady.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, people call me constantly and yeah, so

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Speaker 1: people call trying to see.

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Speaker 2: So wait, who put the number out there that she

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Speaker 2: would even have it, How would they even know to

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Speaker 2: call her?

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Speaker 3: Great point, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Interesting all right, Uh, the late Great Ornie was probably

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Speaker 2: involved in this at some level because he was involved

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Speaker 2: that's the kind of story you would hear from Mike

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Speaker 2: Hornstein who passed what eight nine weeks ago. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: go back to yours. Stry email comes out of the

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Speaker 2: blue from Ted Moon Guide Sprint, who was responsible for

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Speaker 2: doing the ad buying, invited me and my partner at

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Speaker 2: You couldn't get that shit in your newspaper. I grew

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Speaker 3: People have to read this now.

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Speaker 1: People now know I'm here to stay, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: And frankly, the fact that the guy from Sprint was

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Speaker 3: Why this.

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Speaker 2: I've been a fan of the NFL since December twenty three,

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Speaker 2: major firm in Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh, jones Day Reversent Poke.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they still go by that name.

439
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 2: They probably do. Maybe it's just jones Day. Now they're massive,

440
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: They're all over the world. It was tough, it was rough,

441
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 2: it was challenging, and I learned a lot.

442
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 3: A lot of environmental attorney.

443
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,719
Speaker 2: I did that for a while. I was like, you know,

444
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 2: learning the ropes. I was and it was getting me

445
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,679
Speaker 2: real experience. See, at these big firms, what happens is

446
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: they pay a lot of money and they send you

447
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 2: to the library or they send you to the warehouse,

448
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: and you got to review documents. It's a bunch of

449
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 2: grunt work and you develop no skills. I stumbled into

450
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: a situation where I was able to go and attend

451
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 2: shit and like go to depositions and learn how to

452
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: ask questions and understand how the sausage was made. So

453
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 2: I did that for a few years. Moved down here

454
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: to West Virginia. My wife is from here, worked for

455
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: a firm here and got into labor and employment work

456
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: from the employer side. And I never really liked it

457
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: because you didn't get to choose your case. The firm

458
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: has a bunch of clients and when they get sued,

459
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: they call us up, we need your help. Well, I

460
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 2: read the complaint. I don't like this case. I don't

461
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: want to handle this case. Tough shit, and you got

462
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: to handle the case because you got a mortgage to pay.

463
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 2: And so I had always had this nagging feeling I

464
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: wanted to do it on my own, and March one

465
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: of two thousand, I started my own thing. And at

466
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Speaker 2: that point I was representing individuals who had been fired

467
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: because I learned the playbook working at the firm that

468
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: represents the companies who do the firing and having to

469
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 2: try to make chicken salad out of their chicken shit

470
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: business decisions. Now I knew how to get inside improve

471
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,239
Speaker 2: when they because Those are the hardest cases. Those are

472
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: the hardest cases to prove because nobody ever admits to anything.

473
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: You have to show they're full of shit through circumstantial evidence,

474
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: aggressive questioning, common sense.

475
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: Because they never.

476
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: Get up there and say, yeah, I fired that guy

477
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: because he's black, or yet we let that person go

478
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: because she's over.

479
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: The age of fifty. They're never going to admit it.

480
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: They're never so fascinating. This is faun I'm knowing you

481
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: for a long time. This is fast. I would thought

482
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: you were just the ugly guy in NBC. This is fascinating.

483
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Speaker 1: Thanks.

484
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: Now that's Chris Simms. But I tell you Jay's and

485
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 2: what would happen is because I would bust my ass.

486
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: Like there was one specific large retailer that I won't

487
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 2: mention because I think they've sponsored PFT Live in the past,

488
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: but I would go after them all the time because

489
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: I knew they weren't doing things the way they should.

490
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: They didn't have the apparatus in place to properly comply

491
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: with the law, and they were running people off that

492
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,719
Speaker 2: were costing them too much money or whatever the thing retaliating.

493
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 4: Doing just bad business practices.

494
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: But I'd go after them and it was just me

495
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: by myself with my legal assistant, and I'd go after

496
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: them and they put like four freaking lawyers on a

497
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: case and it would be a constant fight, and I'd

498
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: have like twenty of those cases going on at any

499
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: one time. So it was a hell of a fight.

500
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: And it's so hard to prove because you know, the

501
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: lie isn't concocted on the witness stand. It becomes an

502
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: institutional lie. When they fire the person. They have a

503
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: story and they just stick to it. So by the

504
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: time you're committing perjury on the stand, you're well past

505
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: the moral exercise.

506
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 4: That you have to go through to tell a big lie.

507
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: The big lie is already part of your paycheck that

508
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: you've been getting for months before the case comes to trial.

509
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: So that was a tough, tough life.

510
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: And anyway, once I started my own farm, I had

511
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: time I and I'm trying to be as succinct as

512
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: I can. I found that NFL talk dot com website.

513
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: I got hooked on it, and in June of two thousand,

514
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: they put out a call for writers. So I threw

515
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: something together and sent it in and they hired me

516
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: for the salary. Envy inducing brag to your parents, show

517
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: it off to all the people out there that you

518
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: want to make jealous. Zero dollars and zero cents. So

519
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: that was it, and that was how I got into it.

520
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: And then once you got into it, and I enjoyed it,

521
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: and I've always loved the NFL, and I kept going

522
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: and I kept going, and I kept going. But you know,

523
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 2: I'd be spending a certain amount of time paying attention

524
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: to this shit anyway, and I probably would have found

525
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: a way into this business one way or the other

526
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: because I was so passionate about following the NFL and

527
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: enjoying the NFL throughout football season and beyond, because it

528
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: cooked up this industry that carried everyone through the off

529
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: season with free agency and the salary cap became a

530
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: twelve month year thing. So that's how it all happened.

531
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 2: But I had the time to do it because I

532
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: was early in my practice on my own, I didn't

533
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of work to keep me occupied.

534
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: I could start down that path. Man twenty four years ago,

535
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: It's unreal.

536
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: What's the coolest?

537
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: I always try and to I'll say to how we

538
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: long shit all the time, Like like we've done things

539
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: like like we hosted the Emmys once the pre show

540
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: and we did the We're on the red carpet. It

541
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: was like we're less stop and then we threw it

542
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: inside to the hosts of the Emmys, like.

543
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: Oh what happened to the plane crash with the real

544
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: TV people on it?

545
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: So there we are, I say to how I said, Hey, man,

546
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: I know we're supposed to act like we've been there before,

547
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: but fuck that I haven't. The shit is cool, like

548
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: a fucking kid me, are we getting ducked to the

549
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: TV Hall of Fame?

550
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: And man, that's the first time I've ever gotten award

551
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 3: without having to beat the shit out of somebody fo

552
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: to get my ass kicked, Like this shit is cool

553
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 3: And I always try and remember that every day.

554
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: What's kind of like your moment of like oh my god,

555
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: like that, God, mom, how did I get here?

556
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Well, see, you're gonna fucking make me emotional at some point.

557
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fight it as best I can. But don't no,

558
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: but I mean I don't. I'm not in the mood

559
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: for it today. I'm too tired. I'm too tired. Have

560
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: to dry my face. But uh, Super Bowl forty nine Arizona. Now, look,

561
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: both my parents died before I ever stumbled into this business.

562
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: I got you, homie.

563
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, if flake gated happened, the shit hit the fan,

564
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: biggest story in the world. Tom Brady with that goofy

565
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: ass press conference, Are you a cheater? I don't think

566
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: I am. Remember all that and Bill Belichick talking about

567
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: Mona Lisa vie to from my cousin Vinnie.

568
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that was the biggest shit around.

569
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: So here I am standing outside the referees locker room

570
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: at Super Bowl forty nine because the referees locker room

571
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: was where the balls came from for deflate dates. So

572
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: that was the spot where I was going to be

573
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: doing my report, and I downloaded all the shit that

574
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: I was able to get, and I can't remember any

575
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: of the specifics, but I remember getting ready to go

576
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: on air and that was the moment. And fuck you

577
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: for doing that to me.

578
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: That's pretty fucking cool, dude, That's really cool, right. That's like, man,

579
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: we signed up to cover sports.

580
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 3: That's it.

581
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: It's escape, isn't There's nothing else, but it gives us

582
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: moments like these, man, and it gives us brotherhoods and

583
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: bombs like these.

584
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: It's fucking awesome.

585
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Like, who would have thought when you and I were

586
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: getting our asses chipped all those years ago by every

587
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: one of our peers, then we'd be up here and

588
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: can have vulnerable ass moments like this. That just brings

589
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: us to a different level football. It brings us to.

590
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: Something else and for me, fucking cool man, I'm proud

591
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: of you.

592
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: Also tied up in that moment was a shift from

593
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: I don't belong here to fucking I'm here, and it

594
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: kind of changed my outlook from that point forward. Instead

595
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: of feeling like they're going to figure me out, I'm

596
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: a fraud. I don't belong here.

597
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: You know.

598
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: You kind of morphed into a different character at that point.

599
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: And maybe it was the strength of my parents because

600
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: I was thinking about them in that moment, But anyway,

601
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: that was it. I love that asshole.

602
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: I love that. Hey.

603
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: Look, you know, people don't know the Mike and I

604
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: have a real, a true vulnerable relationship.

605
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 3: We've into each other some shit over the years.

606
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: That that's what's great about football, man, You get these

607
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: bonds that that I don't think fortune five hundred companies have,

608
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's different. I think football is

609
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: different than every other I think the bonds and football

610
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: are different. Look, you know our relationship with these coaches

611
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: and Rosie's seeing it now.

612
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 3: There's no other job where your job is on the

613
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: line every single day.

614
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: And then your kids read about it every freaking week,

615
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, and your wife doesn't know if she's moving

616
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: every freaking week. So you get really, really really close.

617
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, you may fuck up if you're the head

618
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: of sprint and nobody's reading about it every week.

619
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: Your kids aren't reading about it. It's fucking different. There's

620
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: a different human side of football.

621
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: Then, oh, you're right, you're right. Think of it. How

622
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: many jobs out there have wins and losses attached to

623
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: what you do? You have a final exam every week

624
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: with every men or a loss, and that's all that matters.

625
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: None of the other stuff matters. How it happened, what

626
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: the weather was.

627
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, all your all your kids, your kids and their

628
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: friends read about it and.

629
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: Agree weeks like you get like the bozo up in

630
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: Detroit who's in high school who docs Dan Campbell. So

631
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: the family's got to deal with that.

632
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it's it's unbelievable. There was

633
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: there was a there's a coach last.

634
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: Year, stupid kid being stupid kid.

635
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: But that's part of the territory that you wrote, and

636
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: it's what they sign up for. They know it. But

637
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: still that doesn't mean it makes.

638
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: It for this shit though.

639
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Like there's a wife last year, somebody death threats to

640
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: her and her husband, and husband's like, go tell up,

641
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: let's tell her security.

642
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 3: In the FEDS that they did, and they raid the

643
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: guy's house. It was like some fifty year guy who

644
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: live with his mom, like, what are we doing here?

645
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: It's just different.

646
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: But as a result, all these relationships, Mike, like, including

647
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: yours of mine, right, we're all I do feel like

648
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: we're all part of the same team I talk about

649
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: for my mental health, I need a team. And that's

650
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: one of the things I used to get upset about

651
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, glazers not objective.

652
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: He's friends with these guys.

653
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm friends with these guys because I need it

654
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: and they just never knew I needed it for between

655
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: my ears, I needed it.

656
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: So I want to throw myself off a bridge. You know.

657
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: I need this. I need these these bonds.

658
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: This team, team, team, team is everything. I still fight

659
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: because I need a team. I'm fifty four, get my

660
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: ass Kip wrest some fucking Max Crosby and third and James.

661
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: I have no business, but I need that team. I

662
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: still spart Randy Coutour. I need these teams. Football has

663
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: been the biggest life saving.

664
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: Team for me. I need it.

665
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: And we're all part of it, whether you're media or

666
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: on a coach or a player, or a producer or

667
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: a ball but whatever it is, we're all part of it.

668
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: I think we're all in it together. We've all gotten

669
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: our dreams have come true more than we ever dreamed

670
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: they could have.

671
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, I've got a twist on that.

672
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: And I do things differently than you do. You've got

673
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: your platform on Fox and you bring it and you

674
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: do it on Sundays and you break news the rest

675
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: of the time. But that's your big moment every Sunday morning, afternoon,

676
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's morning.

677
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: A different than everything else.

678
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: Yep, right. And as you told me years ago, the

679
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: only true journalism in this space is finding out stuff

680
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: that we're not supposed to know, like your stuff from

681
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: Mercedes Lewis. I don't know how the hell you got

682
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: him on the record to tell you that he and

683
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: Cole Commet and Caleb Williams.

684
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: I trained the motherfucker for seven years, right, so he

685
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: trusts you with it.

686
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: He trusts you with it.

687
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: That were trade of Brandon Ayuk to the Steelers, right right?

688
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: No one knows.

689
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: Nobody knows that.

690
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to do.

691
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the people who are in the

692
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: news breaking business get mad me when I say this business.

693
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: I love when you say let's go ahead.

694
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: But what value is there in a tweet five minutes

695
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: before the team announces the move anyway?

696
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: And people get so impressed with that.

697
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: It's like, look, the guy's got a mechanism in place,

698
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: he's done a quid pro quo with the team, and

699
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: so and here's the moment. And I can't name the

700
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: general manager, even though it wasn't off the record. I

701
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: don't want to burn the guy. But six seven years ago,

702
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: there was some story that I kept harping on that

703
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: I kept pointing at, and I kept writing about it,

704
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: and I kept needling the team about this situation that

705
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: it emerged. The GM calls me up and he says, hey,

706
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: can you stop with that thing you keep writing about.

707
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: If you do, I'll give you.

708
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Our next big story. And I said, whoa, whoa, thank

709
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: you for confirming everything I believe about.

710
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: How this business gets done.

711
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: No thank you, No thank you because you ask nicely

712
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: and because I'm kind of getting bored with the story anyway,

713
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: I'll leave it alone.

714
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I don't want anything in return.

715
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: And you know you talk about having friends in the

716
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: business for me because I criticize and I say what

717
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: needs to be said, and I'll always be that way

718
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: no matter what relationships I have. I can only be

719
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: friends with people who can take it right. And I

720
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: have people I appreciate that and they take it. When

721
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: I have to do it, they take it. And those

722
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: are the people you can Those are the people who

723
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: aren't using you. When you're in a position like I am,

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna shine a light where a light needs to

725
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: be shown. The ones who can take it are the

726
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: ones you can be friends with the ones who can't.

727
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: And I can give you the name of an owner, owner,

728
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: a prominent team in the NFC.

729
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: You just hear from them all the time. Talk to

730
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: him all the time, reported the story.

731
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: He didn't like. I've heard from him once in eleven years,

732
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: and it was when he wanted to call me up

733
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: and mother fucked me for fifteen minutes about some stupid

734
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: little thing that showed up on PFT. That's it. Yep,

735
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: you're not my friend. If you can't take it when

736
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: I need to do my job, then why are you

737
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: my Why?

738
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: How can you even begin to want to be.

739
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: My friend If you don't understand how I do the job.

740
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: You're just trying to manipulate.

741
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: So I would tell my guys to like, I've written

742
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: stories on my friends who've gotten popped for steroids, and

743
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, guys, you'd rather have me do

744
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: it to someone else? And they're like, you know what,

745
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: we appreciate it, glazier excess. I'm not gonna take shots

746
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: to you. I'm just gonna write the facts.

747
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna throw my peg.

748
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write the facts for who would you rather have? Yeah,

749
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: you write glaze. It's gonna suck. It sucks, it comes out,

750
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: but it's gonna come out anyway. Might as well have

751
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: come out through you, right instead of No, don't put

752
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: that out. You're my friend, No brag, I got you.

753
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: I have to you know, those are those situations, Hey,

754
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: tell me about your your book that you just came out.

755
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 4: Well, I've got and this is twenty four years later.

756
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: This feels like where I was when I started PFT,

757
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: where I've found something that is my it's my balance

758
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: from what I do all day long. And think about

759
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: the way I've run PFT over the years. You've been

760
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: coming to the site for a long time, probably since

761
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: the beginning or close to it. I did the math

762
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: at one point last year, and I have to adjust

763
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: it because another year has gone by. I've probably written

764
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: since November one of two thousand and one. Forgetting about

765
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: the stuff I did before I started PFT. Just from

766
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: then forward, twenty two to twenty three million works, okay,

767
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: And it happens in the course of every day. I

768
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: write stuff Today, people read it or they don't. By tomorrow,

769
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: you know what it's worth. It ain't worth shit. You

770
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: got to do it again, and then by the next

771
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: day you got to do it again. And everything you've written,

772
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: no matter how good it is, gets forgotten because all

773
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: that matters is what you've written today.

774
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: So during the pandemic, when we were all isolated.

775
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: And the world was different and there was so much

776
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: stuff to worry about, how many people are gonna die,

777
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna keep your family safe. What happens if your

778
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: father in law, your mother in law get it. What

779
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: happens if your family member with diabetes gets it? Like

780
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: life was crazy, football kept going. But once we got

781
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: through the draft, I wasn't as busy. We weren't having

782
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: people over. And that's when I just decided, you know what,

783
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: I had a weird dream one night, and when I

784
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: woke up the next day, It's like, Hey, that would

785
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: be a decent story. I'm just gonna sit down and

786
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: start writing. And I realized early on that, man, it's

787
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 2: powerful to write.

788
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: It's something that isn't irrelevant tomorrow. Now.

789
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: It may not be about all that relevant when you

790
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: write it because it's just fiction. It's made up, but

791
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: it doesn't completely lose all of its value in a day.

792
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: And I've learned over the years I can write really fast.

793
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: I never have writer's block. When I steal an hour

794
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: to work on a book, I can crank out two

795
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: thousand to twenty five hundred words in an hour, and

796
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: then I'll know I'll rewrite and edit and clean it

797
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: all up. But when the words flow, they flow. So

798
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: what happened was I had to deal with his shit

799
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: to do Playmakers, which wasn't a novel. It was like

800
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: one hundred plus essays of just all the shit I've

801
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: learned over the last twenty years in the NFL, and

802
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: that wasn't as much fun because it was the same

803
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: as what I do every day. But man, I tapped

804
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: into this capacity that I didn't know I had, that

805
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have had if I hadn't been doing PFT

806
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: all these years, to crank out a lot of content.

807
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: And even though I've written and it's quality content, I

808
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: think that's the thing people are having a hard time accepting,

809
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: because you get known for one thing and that's all

810
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: you're ever known for, and that's all you can do.

811
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: It's like the skills that brought me here are somewhat transferable,

812
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: the things that I figured out how to do, how

813
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: to communicate, how to communicate in a compelling way, how

814
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: to observe and translate the things that we see into

815
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: words that can connote those emotions and thoughts and ideas.

816
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 4: So anyway, long story bearable.

817
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: The first one was father of mine, and this is

818
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: inspired by true events in the town I grow up

819
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: in because my dad was a bookie tied to the

820
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: mob there. So I know a lot of things that

821
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I saw when I was a kid. I was nine

822
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: ten years old when I first kind of figured out

823
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: what was going on. Kept my eyes open, my ears open,

824
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: and my mouth shut. And none of what happened in

825
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: here is true. There's some things that they actually did

826
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: that I became aware of later that inspire some of

827
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: the crimes that are committed. So that was the first

828
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: one that one's been out for about a year and

829
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: a half and it's actually still doing pretty well. Got

830
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: a great review from Kirkus, which is like the like

831
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: the industry leader in giving tough reviews and calling something

832
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: shit when it's shit. They very much like this. The

833
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: sequel out recently, Son of Mine, picks up exactly where

834
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Father of Mine left off, or it's a standalone. You

835
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 2: don't need to read Father of Mine. It'll spoil Father

836
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: of Mine on page one. But it's a very compelling

837
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: story in its own right. And then since we're on

838
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: the topic for the holiday season, which is launching November one,

839
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: this may be the best thing. I hope this isn't

840
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: the best thing I ever write, because I hope I

841
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: have something else send me. I'm gonna get your reflection

842
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: in the book. But on Our Way Home is a

843
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: and Jay, I.

844
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: Mine is not a rob yet, you fuck, but that

845
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 3: is not a rob yet? You know it's something called FedEx.

846
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: Well that's all right. I'm too cheap for it. When

847
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: you send books. One thing you can do is you

848
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 2: can send it media mail, which makes it really cheap

849
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: to send books. And I'm really cheap. So it'll show

850
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: up by Christmas that you father of mine, I need

851
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: to send you On our Way Home.

852
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 5: It is a holiday ghost story that I think you

853
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: will love if you can ever muster the discipline to

854
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: sit down and read, which I don't think you can

855
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: do this.

856
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Thanks it is but but but you know.

857
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: What I try now, I can read it.

858
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Listen, I do. I'm the same way. One of the

859
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: things one of the reasons I don't like reading, Jay,

860
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to sit there and just like God,

861
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: is this chapter ever going to end?

862
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: So I just write short chapters.

863
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: Like when I got into PFT, I decided to create

864
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: the destination there where I would want to spend my time.

865
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: When I started writing books, I decided to write books

866
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: I would want to read. If you're going to provide

867
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: any service, you're the ultimate customer of yourself. Give people

868
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: something you would want, and unless your tastes are completely

869
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: fucked up, you're onto something if you fashion what you

870
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: provide based on what you would want.

871
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: I don't want long chapters. I don't want.

872
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: Books that go into all this nuance about what the

873
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: room looked like and how many rocks were across, you know,

874
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: and all this dumb shit that doesn't advance the story.

875
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: Let's get to it. We're in an impatient society, and

876
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: I always tell people just give it a try. If

877
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: you lose interest, it's my fall. All I wanting to

878
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: do is start, Just start Jay, when father of mine

879
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 2: shows up, just start. If you lose interest, I've failed

880
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 2: as to you, succeeded as to others, but I've failed

881
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: as to you. It's on me to make sure everybody

882
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: finds it accessible, enjoyable, and just keeps flipping page after

883
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: page after page. And there's a great feeling getting caught

884
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: up in a good book. I love having that. I

885
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: love having and I've read a lot on my phone.

886
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: I love having that to look forward to when I

887
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: have a quiet moment. You know, at night, or if

888
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm standing in the line at the grocery store or

889
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: waiting to get on a plane. You look forward today.

890
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: Give you something in life.

891
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: You know, we all need things to.

892
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Look forward to to carry us through our existence. It's

893
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: part of the mental health balance. We look for little

894
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: things to look forward to. We have big things to

895
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: look forward to. We need little things to look forward to.

896
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: When am I going to get a few minutes to

897
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: get back and read that book? When am I going

898
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: to get a few minutes to watch that show I

899
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: really like? And that's how I justify our role in

900
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: all of this, whether it's through.

901
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: Football, fiction or whatever. We give people the.

902
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: Little things they can look forward to in life that

903
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: balance out the shit that we all have to deal with.

904
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: Promise you, when that book finally arrives in twenty twenty six,

905
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: I will read it.

906
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: Okay, good Now, Before me, I do have to say,

907
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: I will send you on our way home, though, because I.

908
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: Think it's perfect holiday seasons.

909
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: Coming up, and I think you'll like it.

910
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, man, You are the best dude. Hey,

911
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I know this about told you that I'm

912
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: proud of you. Man, Like starting something out of nothing

913
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: and just knowing.

914
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going to commit to this because I know

915
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: I got something.

916
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Takes a lot of courage because most people they just

917
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: want to be a face in the crowd. I always

918
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: tell people be the crowd, be your own damn crowd.

919
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for starting your own damn crowd

920
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: and U man, it's been great and prod to call

921
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: you brother.

922
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate it, and you've been a great part

923
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: of what we've managed to accomplish over the last twenty

924
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: three years. There aren't many other names that would join

925
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: the list of people who have actually been truly friends

926
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: and truly out for my best interests, not out for

927
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: how can I make this guy help me with my

928
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: own best interest. You're one of one in that regard

929
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: and I always appreciate you for that.

930
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, Mike Florio PFG, love you body.

931
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy.