Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Howbours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Ett Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is Wednesday, but
Speaker 1: it's really like a Saturday for a Thursday night game,
Speaker 1: Cowboys Saints at at and T Stadium. You guys with us, good,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, last week, we have to do this. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Let's get that long weekend after this one
Speaker 1: and get back to a normal schedule. Rob Phillips hosting
Speaker 1: four Bill Jones today, Brian brought us joining me across
Speaker 1: the table. Is always welcome, sir, Thank you, sir, appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I think Mickey's Bagnola's showing up at some point. I
Speaker 1: don't will he will, eventually, he'll figure out how to
Speaker 1: get back over here. Yeah. Still get still yelling at
Speaker 1: the guys on the fan. Absolutely, yeah, Ken Garrison dropping
Speaker 1: those drops next door? All right, we got one day left, yeah,
Speaker 1: for the big showdown. I figured out yet, I think.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna make our picks in the final segment, okay,
Speaker 1: and picks to click as well. Yeah, and we can
Speaker 1: spend the next hour our final diagnosis, our final keys
Speaker 1: to the game and matchups. And I don't know you've
Speaker 1: been spending all week. Yeah, I'm trying to find this
Speaker 1: thing out. Yeah, you feel any better about it? Matchup now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do. I feel better in some regards. I think
Speaker 1: there's some strengths. I'm really worried about what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I know Mickey's gonna come in here, We're probably gonna
Speaker 1: go through the injury report. I'm worried about the situation
Speaker 1: with Tyren Smith. You know, that's another no practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: the only practice if he were to practice today, it's
Speaker 1: basically a walkthrough. And you know that Tyren Smith is
Speaker 1: an all pro left tackle, and you know, and it's
Speaker 1: he could probably roll out of bed and go play.
Speaker 1: But still there's that that factor. The one thing that
Speaker 1: I do feel good about is that Camp flaming least
Speaker 1: got work this week. You know, last week he was
Speaker 1: basically coming off the field, and you know, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: walked up to him, or Mark Colombo walked up to
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, you're starting to night, you know,
Speaker 1: be ready and good luck, but good luck. And he
Speaker 1: you know, he went out there and did Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say he did great, but he did. Okay,
Speaker 1: Mickey's right. They got him a little help. But you know,
Speaker 1: once again, you're talking about guys. You know with the Saints,
Speaker 1: you know Cameron Jordan and you know and OAKA four
Speaker 1: and what those guys can present as rushers. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have not shown the ability to really protect overall
Speaker 1: that did the second half of that football game. But
Speaker 1: you know, you keep taking you know, guys off the
Speaker 1: field that are big time players. It hurts you. Now
Speaker 1: you know the same answer in a similar situation with
Speaker 1: Armstrong or assuming Armstead, yes, you know him being out
Speaker 1: and so you know bush Rod would be the replacement there.
Speaker 1: He did make the start it last Thursday against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: He would be the weak link of this Atlanta keep
Speaker 1: talking like I'm crazy today, this New Orleans offensive line,
Speaker 1: right And okay, now do you take advantage of the
Speaker 1: situation with him? Do you do you put rushers to
Speaker 1: his side? Do you you know, do you take the
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence and walk him over there? You know, all
Speaker 1: the things that you think about you might want to
Speaker 1: do to create opportunity. But I think the I think
Speaker 1: where the rush is going to have to be the
Speaker 1: most important for the Cowboys in this matchup. It's through
Speaker 1: the middle. I think, you know, if you can get
Speaker 1: guys to win early, that that affects Drew Brees more
Speaker 1: than things from the backside, because his game is all
Speaker 1: about looking over the top of the defense, you know,
Speaker 1: moving a little bit, slide a little bit, adjusting himself.
Speaker 1: So the way he gets affected in the pocket is
Speaker 1: things that happened in front of him. Now, most NFL
Speaker 1: quarterbacks struggle with that, but him especially because he has
Speaker 1: to be able to see, to keep his eyes down
Speaker 1: the field. He's six feet tall, and we've seen it
Speaker 1: over the year, every bit of that. Yeah, backing up,
Speaker 1: backing up for drops, trying to see over the middle
Speaker 1: of that defense. Sure, mickey, welcome, Hi. He's just a
Speaker 1: little taller than me, just a little bit, just a
Speaker 1: little bits all Yeah, did you get yelled at just
Speaker 1: now on the fan? So no, I was so engaging
Speaker 1: they kept me longer. Oh, goody good, Sorry to steal
Speaker 1: your time. Not at all, not at all. You got
Speaker 1: this thing figured out? Oh yeah, absolutely, all right, you
Speaker 1: got your pick ready for later in the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doing it tomorrow, so yes, yeah, we got I was
Speaker 1: thinking tomorrow it's game time. Yeah, okay, all right, you
Speaker 1: go hang out with all the old men in the
Speaker 1: sauna and talk about it there. You know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: figure a lot of things out in the absolutely that's
Speaker 1: happened out the sun. That's a good point in Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin one night in Minnesota or one afternoon in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: I had a great conversation while he was injured and
Speaker 1: wasn't playing in the sauna. Didn't you tell me a
Speaker 1: story though recently where you were in a sauna at
Speaker 1: the gym and some guy just recognized you and started
Speaker 1: asking you about Yeah, yeah, yeah, I try to go
Speaker 1: in there and hopefully there's a lot of steam, keep
Speaker 1: a towel over your head, don't hear your voice, and
Speaker 1: keep a towel your right, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: night here I recognize that voice exactly. It's a compliment.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you're celebrity focused. I don't know
Speaker 1: about that they happened with just the towel on. You know,
Speaker 1: they just know who you are. Absolutely, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good group today with Star Sports Tours. We should
Speaker 1: They won't be too combative. I believe we've we've kind
Speaker 1: of got past the fire. Jason Garrett questions or maybe
Speaker 1: not maybe not that last night on The Happy Hour though, No,
Speaker 1: we didn't. It's a good question. And thanks for everybody
Speaker 1: that showed up for the Happy Hour too. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like that setting up by the way a lot better.
Speaker 1: I like the booth because I think everybody can see
Speaker 1: each other and talk to each other, and I like that.
Speaker 1: I think that's a better setting, kind of like we're
Speaker 1: hanging out having a happy hour. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: good food and stuff on the table, but yeah, good conversation.
Speaker 1: If you haven't ever watched The Happy Hour, everybody kind
Speaker 1: of rotates and yeah, some good opinions on that show.
Speaker 1: You really do. Yeah, every Tuesday night, Concrete Cowboy here
Speaker 1: at the Star District. Check it out, all right, Mick. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were just talking Tyrant Smith. The injury situation. Basically,
Speaker 1: they had their final practice the week yesterday, so the
Speaker 1: final injury report will come out this afternoon with designations.
Speaker 1: What do you think his status is going to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it'll be questionable. Yeah, there's no sense
Speaker 1: letting the Saints know for sure what's going to happen there,
Speaker 1: although I think they can surmise if guy didn't practice
Speaker 1: all week. But again, it's it's one of those it's
Speaker 1: one of those nerve things where you just never know
Speaker 1: when things they're gonna change. So I would imagine what
Speaker 1: times the games start nine seven twenty I believe it is,
Speaker 1: So give me a ninety minutes before that, and then
Speaker 1: we'll know. We'll find out that's that's when we'll find
Speaker 1: out if because I think they'll take it all the way.
Speaker 1: There's no spot, there's no question. But they're not going
Speaker 1: to do what they did last week and and and
Speaker 1: they didn't do it on purpose. It just kind of happened, right,
Speaker 1: have a forty five man roster because you found out,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen minutes before game time that oh he
Speaker 1: can't go. Here's the issue for him. And this is
Speaker 1: probably what happened last week too. It's like you don't
Speaker 1: want to have him in contact during the week to
Speaker 1: fliter that thing up, but you don't really know how
Speaker 1: it's going to respond until you play. So how do
Speaker 1: you how do you know? I guess warm ups is
Speaker 1: the test. Yea, warmups is the test. And I think
Speaker 1: what you have to do is you take one of
Speaker 1: those defensive linemen, you know, practice squad guy whatever. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying pat him up and go do it,
Speaker 1: but I think you have to go push on him.
Speaker 1: I think you have to go and see how much
Speaker 1: strength he has in that shoulder and neck area. If
Speaker 1: he does a pass set extends and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's the US coming up the field and
Speaker 1: he extends and then all of a sudden it gets him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it catches. Then you then you shut the workout completely down.
Speaker 1: He can't go. But if it's a rep, it's a rep.
Speaker 1: It's a rep. And you're like going, We'll wait a
Speaker 1: minute now, Okay, he's he's he's got to be able
Speaker 1: to prove to Britt Brown and these doctors and trainers
Speaker 1: other trainers that he can, in fact take a three
Speaker 1: hundred pound man and hold him in place right and when.
Speaker 1: If he can do that, then he will play. If
Speaker 1: he can't prove that he can do that, then then
Speaker 1: you will see. Uh, like I said, um, you see
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming, who's practiced all week at left tackle, get
Speaker 1: that opportunity with likely Connor Williams being the backup if
Speaker 1: something were to happen to him. If you know Williams mcnor, Sorry,
Speaker 1: he got to play in the game at left tackle.
Speaker 1: One play. I think his swimming shoe got kicked off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, what they'll do is you
Speaker 1: know how they warm up the defensive lineman and Leon
Speaker 1: let's out there with those big old pads on his arms. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be hitting Tyrann Smith, Yeah, and see if
Speaker 1: he can stand up. He's just got to figure you know, Tyran,
Speaker 1: he's gonna try and do it right, and you know,
Speaker 1: try to convince him. But again, yeah, you just can't
Speaker 1: play with a forty five man Ross. Usually. Usually it's
Speaker 1: the game time decision, and it's truly not a game
Speaker 1: time decision. Mickey's right, this is going to be a
Speaker 1: game time decision. Yeah, And all indications of talking to people,
Speaker 1: and Mickey talks to just as many people as I do,
Speaker 1: and they're all like, we'll see, we'll see. He's just
Speaker 1: got to prove it. Yeah. It's like and guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I could remember and I've told this story before, you know,
Speaker 1: parcels with guys with injuries, and I can't remember who
Speaker 1: the player was, but he hurt his ribs and he
Speaker 1: was insisting he can play, insisting play. And we're out
Speaker 1: at Valley Ranch and Bill was walking away from where
Speaker 1: the players used to eat, and the guy who was
Speaker 1: saying had the rib injury was like, hey, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Bill comes up behind, unannouncing, pokes them in
Speaker 1: the ribs. Yeah. One see, Haller reacted. The guy almost
Speaker 1: jumped through the ceiling, right He goes, yeah, and you're
Speaker 1: telling me your ribs are good, you know, I'm not kidding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like that was Bill's way of checked
Speaker 1: it out a guy if he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's too because no one ever wants to
Speaker 1: admit they're hurt, right, Nobody does go ask I mean
Speaker 1: go out. I mean how many times have we asked
Speaker 1: Tyran right on the way back from Philadelphia, I'm good. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. And in the week, oh, i'm good.
Speaker 1: Last week early in the week, oh, I'm good. You know,
Speaker 1: And so no one ever admits the hurt. Look at
Speaker 1: Zack Martin. Zack Martin has been playing through a spraying
Speaker 1: knee for how many weeks? Now, Yeah, you know he's
Speaker 1: not and he'll be listed as questionable and he's been
Speaker 1: limited all week. But he'll be good to go. But Tyran,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to watch him even if
Speaker 1: he is active in this game. I remember Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: last year he played. He started against Seattle and played
Speaker 1: three plays and then he was he couldn't go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so cam Fleming's got to be ready throughout the game.
Speaker 1: One the one saving graces and maybe maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: maybe the fact that Cam Fleming didn't have any practice
Speaker 1: and didn't didn't know he was going to play. Now
Speaker 1: that he kind of knows, maybe it'll be a different situation.
Speaker 1: But he's ready. At least he's gotten the work this
Speaker 1: week with Suephilo in the in the in the majority
Speaker 1: of the work that they've needed. And now Suephilo was
Speaker 1: out the first practice, but the other two practices they've
Speaker 1: had since that, Sue Philo has been involved with that.
Speaker 1: Now the downside with you know, maybe the good thing
Speaker 1: last week is the Redskins didn't know he wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: play tomorrow. The Saints might have an idea. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this guy, they've seen him on Flay. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: I've seen what Fleming can do, and now I can
Speaker 1: adjust my my my game plan. Both teams are gonna
Speaker 1: be If that's the case, it's sounding like both teams
Speaker 1: are compromised at left tackle. Yeah, yeah, that's their guys still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's they're having problems there too. And if I, like
Speaker 1: I told you when we started sing, bush Rod will
Speaker 1: be the weak link for the Saint. He's a good player,
Speaker 1: but he is not to the level of what Armstead
Speaker 1: is and he hasn't and and he's got a peck
Speaker 1: and that's one of those things you can't hide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you cannot hide that. That's right, that's all about punishing.
Speaker 1: Can't go they got they gotta start a backup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Andrew's Pete, the Saints standout guard, has been limited the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, so and he's he's really important
Speaker 1: to what they do. And I just with you know,
Speaker 1: with with Pete, Unger and Warford, that that that those
Speaker 1: guys they had the same philosophy as the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: about protecting the front of the pocket. And and but
Speaker 1: but especially with them because what we talked about with
Speaker 1: the quarterback that's the same height as Mickey, that they
Speaker 1: they have to keep him. They have to keep his
Speaker 1: ability to see, you know, clear. They can't afford to
Speaker 1: have things happen in front of him because if he
Speaker 1: has to see a lot of things in front, then
Speaker 1: his eyes come down and he can't you know, then
Speaker 1: he gets to find the field again. Drew Brees is
Speaker 1: one of the best ever players game. He's reason why
Speaker 1: he's got seventy over seventy thousand yards passing in his career.
Speaker 1: But there's a ways to affect him. But the Saints
Speaker 1: maintain their way of protecting. The best way is keeping
Speaker 1: that front as clean as they can. So I asked
Speaker 1: Jason this question. I'm going to ask you take me
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and one. Yeah, and what were
Speaker 1: the thoughts on the six foot Drew Brees coming out
Speaker 1: in the draft. He had beaten Michigan and Ohio State
Speaker 1: and had Purdue tied for first in the Big Ten
Speaker 1: and they got to go to the Rose Bowl. But
Speaker 1: everybody was worried that he was six feet tall. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the what you look at Drew Brees. This
Speaker 1: is what all you need to say about him. He
Speaker 1: won in high school, he won in college, he wins
Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's all you need to know about
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. You don't need to the whole thing about
Speaker 1: high you know, and we tend is scouts to get
Speaker 1: two wrapped up in numbers when you should just look
Speaker 1: at the player. You know, you look at a guy
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield. You know, I mean he's having some
Speaker 1: success with the Cleveland Browns when no other quarterback really
Speaker 1: has had success. And I mean the success in a
Speaker 1: way of winning football games. But great high school player
Speaker 1: was a walk on bouncing me when the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1: You know, there's guys like I say, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: you know how short you are or what you are
Speaker 1: measurables wise, There's some guys that are just really good
Speaker 1: football players because that's built into them. You know, they
Speaker 1: might not have the total measurables. And that's where scouts
Speaker 1: make the biggest mistakes is the thinking, oh, because this
Speaker 1: guy is six four Jeff George and it hasn't rocket
Speaker 1: armed Jeff George and gets picked like Jeff George, but
Speaker 1: then busts because you know he does he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the he doesn't have that inside of him to that
Speaker 1: winning mentality. You know, that's where Drew brees. It just
Speaker 1: blows everybody away. Is that what makes quarterback probably the
Speaker 1: hardest position to evaluate because there are so many intangibles
Speaker 1: that go into the position because you're basically running the
Speaker 1: football team. A. Yeah, you're running the football team. What
Speaker 1: makes it hard now is the systems that you play in.
Speaker 1: That makes it hard. Now, if it gets to a
Speaker 1: point where all of a sudden, say a guy like
Speaker 1: the guy at Tech, you know, Cliff gets an opportunity
Speaker 1: to coach the NFL and he brings off and we've
Speaker 1: seen an offense like what Peyton is doing and what
Speaker 1: McVeagh are doing. So now then you see, okay, now
Speaker 1: you could start seeing guys like Mahomes playing in systems
Speaker 1: and then having success in NFL because you see it
Speaker 1: now being used in the NFL. That will make your
Speaker 1: evaluation easier because there's a time where we couldn't evaluate
Speaker 1: Michael Vick. You know, we really couldn't evaluate Oh, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't throw it, but cash he runs all over
Speaker 1: the place and he could do this Lamar Jackson the
Speaker 1: same way. I heard he's getting to the start again
Speaker 1: this week with the Ravens. You know, those are guys
Speaker 1: that you kind of look at and like, Okay, he
Speaker 1: doesn't fit what we do, but wow, look what he
Speaker 1: does if you know, so morning morning Wig and them
Speaker 1: doing a good job of catering the offense to him
Speaker 1: to make his life easier. And so that's why it's
Speaker 1: a hard evaluation because you're having to project a player
Speaker 1: that can as a certain skill set into something that
Speaker 1: might not be what you're trying to do, and that
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest mistake the coaches that have
Speaker 1: been able to adapt. I'm talking about the guy in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: He adapted to that quarterback to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He had to. He couldn't play the way he played
Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz with with that with Nick Foles and
Speaker 1: give him credit for that, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they had success. So maybe the best second
Speaker 1: round drafted quarterback ever, I have to go back and
Speaker 1: we'd have to look at the list. Yeah, you'd have
Speaker 1: to look at it was the first pick in the
Speaker 1: second round. He lasted as you take Ladanian Tom Winson
Speaker 1: at five or six and then take him in the
Speaker 1: top of the second round. I'd say you had a
Speaker 1: pretty good day. I mean, that's can you beat that?
Speaker 1: Can you? Because Drew Brees will be a first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, I'm pretty confident. Yeah, yeah, they might
Speaker 1: waive his five years. He's incredible. He's incredible the way
Speaker 1: he's But you know what's funny about Drew Brees. You
Speaker 1: look at his career and it's a little bit like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers right now. You know, you look at it
Speaker 1: and one super Bowl, you know, and you look at
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers one super Bowl? Is it his fault or
Speaker 1: is it the people around him for not getting him enough? ELP.
Speaker 1: I think Sean Payton finally realized, you know, we've got
Speaker 1: to be able to run the football a little bit here.
Speaker 1: We gotta you know, they go out and they hit
Speaker 1: on Alvin Kamara, they hit on Ryan Ramchick the right tackle.
Speaker 1: You know, they draft Pete as a big inside player.
Speaker 1: You know, they trade for Unger, They give up They're
Speaker 1: tight end to get Unger in return. So they got
Speaker 1: their center. You know, they give up Jimmy Graham to
Speaker 1: get unger, you know, so you sometimes Fate smiles and
Speaker 1: we look at thinking about with the Dolphins, I mean
Speaker 1: Nick Saban, he had a choice, but because of the
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. It's the same thing. Reminds me of Larry
Speaker 1: Allen when we're in Green Bay. You know, torn rotator cuff.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a problem for him. Ron Wolf. Every
Speaker 1: time we played the Cowboys. See that there's seventy three there.
Speaker 1: He's gonna moll us today. He's the guy. You guys
Speaker 1: failed on the physical. The doctors would stand there with
Speaker 1: their arms crossed like okay, they'd hear it every single time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get, really, you get very fortunate that a
Speaker 1: player might have an injury that allows you to take
Speaker 1: advantage of that. And think of what the Dolphins have
Speaker 1: gone through quarterbacks, quarterback wise, and they could have coach
Speaker 1: wise he would that was his first stop and they decided, no,
Speaker 1: we're not paying him. And the Saints were really smart.
Speaker 1: They structured the contract where the first year they gave
Speaker 1: him a one year, twelve million dollars guaranteed contract and
Speaker 1: that was it. And then the next year there was
Speaker 1: an option. Yeah, they didn't have to continue it, right,
Speaker 1: and so they they you know, they rolled the dice.
Speaker 1: But then again, they were in a different situation from
Speaker 1: everybody else because they're coming out of Hurricane Katrina, the
Speaker 1: cities decimated, and they're playing and practicing in San Antonio
Speaker 1: and it's like and they got Aaron Brooks's quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, what do we got to lose? You know.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like a long term investment in him,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, here's a look seed contract and
Speaker 1: if he's good, all right. And he ended up being
Speaker 1: really good and the marriage with Sean Payton has been
Speaker 1: great for him too. It's funny though it's some seven
Speaker 1: and nine's mixed in there, you know, three in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of questions about was Drew Brees
Speaker 1: really the right guy at that time? Was Sean Payton
Speaker 1: the right guy? You know that the Saints. This hasn't
Speaker 1: been one of those things like Belichick getting Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and having success for fifteen sixteen years. This is one
Speaker 1: of those things that Drew Brees came in. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, but after the Super Bowl, this
Speaker 1: team went south, like three years in a row, and
Speaker 1: really before they got that year. You know, the first
Speaker 1: year was really good and then it was like a
Speaker 1: five hundred type deal and coach Peyton wasn't there for
Speaker 1: one year because they had the bounty. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was it was, you know, a lot of chaos and
Speaker 1: controversy in that organization. Safe to say they've righted the
Speaker 1: show up now. Uh. And like you said, Brian, they've
Speaker 1: added a lot of pieces around Breeze. They've done a
Speaker 1: great job doing that. They think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: teams out there saying, oh we passed on Elvin Kamara
Speaker 1: how many times? Yeah, well this again that you look
Speaker 1: at Alvin Kamara and you watched the Tennessee tape the
Speaker 1: draft show. I mean I thought we felt like we
Speaker 1: really covered Alvin Kamara and we covered the guy at
Speaker 1: Kansas City as well. Uh it was picked in the
Speaker 1: third round. Yeah, Kareem Hunt. I mean we really can
Speaker 1: if I'm right about that. We were we really talked
Speaker 1: about those two guys, and it felt like we talked
Speaker 1: about him higher than where they were selected. You know, like, okay,
Speaker 1: if you want to complete back this is now, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this with about Kamara at Tennessee, he didn't
Speaker 1: always finish runs. He didn't finish runs like he finished
Speaker 1: his runs here right now. You watched him play at
Speaker 1: Tennessee and they hand him the ball, throw him the ball,
Speaker 1: he blocks, you know, you see that. But he's become
Speaker 1: an even more of a weapon with the Saints than
Speaker 1: he was at Tennessee. But Tennessee was some bad football
Speaker 1: going on right there, you know, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: good players get on bad teams and people have these
Speaker 1: thoughts about them, like, well, maybe they can't do this,
Speaker 1: can't do that, you know. But yeah, sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to get lucky with these runningicks. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: It does make you think about, just real quick, you know,
Speaker 1: to a couple of teams, the Cowboys being one of them,
Speaker 1: the Giants being another. It makes you think about drafting
Speaker 1: a back that high in the draft with the top
Speaker 1: five pick, you know, it really does make you think about.
Speaker 1: Look at James Connor with the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's another
Speaker 1: one that all of a sudden, you're replacing a guy.
Speaker 1: Now you got a back that's doing just as well.
Speaker 1: Rare cases, but it makes you think about doing that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Cowboys absolutely love having Zeke. I'm not
Speaker 1: questioning that. I'm just saying there's people out there they
Speaker 1: will argue, Hey, Alvin kamaras just as good as Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: But I'll guarantee you when the Saints took them, they
Speaker 1: thought they were drafting a toy, not in every down
Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, well him, him and Ingram together, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great company. If you said, if you went
Speaker 1: to the old Jimmy the Green, if you go back
Speaker 1: to the old NFL Today broadcast, Mickey'll remember this. You
Speaker 1: used to have the intangible board and all that stuff
Speaker 1: with Jimmy the Greek, and he would say, give the
Speaker 1: check mark to the running backs. Give the check you know,
Speaker 1: I think if you looked at the running backs thing,
Speaker 1: you would say, Kamara and Ingram and Zeke wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a wash. I think if you look at those two
Speaker 1: as one, you know that you would probably think it's
Speaker 1: a wash there running the football because one could really
Speaker 1: really catch. Both of them can really really run. Zeke
Speaker 1: can really really run and he can catch, So that
Speaker 1: would be kind of a wash right there. If you
Speaker 1: want to look at that, leave it to our friend
Speaker 1: Gil Brandt. He actually ranked the top ten best second
Speaker 1: round quarterbacks since nineteen seventy. Way to go, K did
Speaker 1: he really? Yeah, he's got an article on it like
Speaker 1: recently it was last year. Okay, who's a guy? Um?
Speaker 1: I'll start with number ten, Neil Lomax, Oh, Neil Lomax, Yeah,
Speaker 1: been at Cardinals and Nick nine, Cordell Stewart, number eight,
Speaker 1: Jake Plumber, then Ron Jaworski, oh Andy Dalton, Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: there you go, Cunningham, oh Randal kay U and Ov
Speaker 1: Boomeriss Hiasin. That's right, Derek Carr. Derek Carr was the second,
Speaker 1: and then the top two is Drew Brees and Brian
Speaker 1: should know Number one? Who is number? Yeah? Ar far
Speaker 1: second round pick traded? You know, Mickey asked that question
Speaker 1: and now and I sit there and hear all those names,
Speaker 1: and I think, what an idiot I am? I should
Speaker 1: have known. I should have known that I forgot seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Farv was the second round pick. Matter of fact, Browning
Speaker 1: Nagle was taken ahead of him, but the Packers didn't
Speaker 1: actually draft Atlanta Falcons draft, and they traded a first
Speaker 1: round pick to get him number nineteen pick. Overall, it
Speaker 1: ended up being a Tony Smith, who was another running back,
Speaker 1: the Falcons took Tony Smith at that spot, and he
Speaker 1: was a Southern miss running back, and so yeah, but
Speaker 1: Browning Nagle went ahead of Brett Farve in that draft. Well,
Speaker 1: and and but you also have to put an asterisk
Speaker 1: there because after them, he's coming out of he's coming
Speaker 1: out of Southern Mississippi after having a really bad car
Speaker 1: wreck and they didn't know if he was going to play.
Speaker 1: He lost a lot of intestine. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was fighting for his life really. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: my very great Jerry Granville story when we're leaving the
Speaker 1: hotel in Minneapolis after the Super Bowl that year, so
Speaker 1: that we've been the ninety season, Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: ninety season and ninety one, Yeah, it's far and far
Speaker 1: Bes drafted. Yeah, so ninety one. He was a rookie
Speaker 1: that year. And we're walking out and my friend that
Speaker 1: I was with, he worked with me and Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Grew up in Hattiesburg in a new the Fire family.
Speaker 1: His dad was the Sida, so in Mississippi, and we're
Speaker 1: walking out and it's freezing cold. We're walking back to
Speaker 1: our hotel and all of a sudden, we're here, Hey,
Speaker 1: where are you guys going and it's Jerry Grand Glanville
Speaker 1: and he's going to the same He goes, oh, I
Speaker 1: walked with you, so we made small talk. And then
Speaker 1: my friend goes, I'm sorry, Jerry, but I can't help myself.
Speaker 1: I just want to know if Brett five can really
Speaker 1: be in the NFL quarterback. And he looked at us
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, he goes. He goes once he
Speaker 1: figures out by Wednesday, you got to quit all that
Speaker 1: corn squeezing yeah, meaning drinking drinking yeah, And and he
Speaker 1: goes in. I think he can have a career, but
Speaker 1: he's got to get that under control. I swear to God.
Speaker 1: Two weeks later the trade came down. Yeah, it's funny
Speaker 1: that they blame. If you talked to Ken Hirok, who
Speaker 1: was a gym at the time in Glanville, I've talked
Speaker 1: to him. Both they blame each other for the trade.
Speaker 1: It's clearly I didn't want to get rid of he says,
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna give you a Chris Miller.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna, you know, And so
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's it's it's kind of up there with
Speaker 1: the herschel Walker trade. Actually, one of the they have
Speaker 1: Chris Miller then, or was it Bobby Abert Miller Miller, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Baybert got there later. Yeah, the thing was real quick.
Speaker 1: I mean it it was a trade that it changed
Speaker 1: the history of the Green Bay Packers. That's what happened there.
Speaker 1: That's the trade that you know. I get Mike home
Speaker 1: Brand and Steve Mariuch all lout of credit for that trade.
Speaker 1: Really because the magic Man was losing his magic then
Speaker 1: once he got hurt, he never came back. Yeah, great
Speaker 1: list by Gil Brand, who, by the way, I can't
Speaker 1: believe a good job Bill. Guys, my gosh, it's stupid
Speaker 1: on my gil Brand getting inducted into the Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor formally Thursday night at half. That's right. We almost
Speaker 1: forgot to mention that it's kind of gotten lost in
Speaker 1: all this hype, right, Yeah, I'm glad to see that though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really glad to see that. All right, let's take our
Speaker 1: first break. Is it way passed? Its first way past?
Speaker 1: That's okay? Five two ninety seven is the number if
Speaker 1: you want to join the conversation. We've got about a
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Speaker 1: Mortgage studio. We are giving our final breakdowns for Cowboys
Speaker 1: and Saints. The Showdown at and T Stadium. Saints on
Speaker 1: a ten game win streak, Cowboys on a three game
Speaker 1: win streak, and the biggest question is how they're gonna
Speaker 1: stop Drew Breeze in that offense. DeMarcus Lawrence is fired
Speaker 1: up for this game, Mick Good. I think he decided
Speaker 1: and Dak came close the day before, but he did
Speaker 1: it a little bit more delicately. I think they got
Speaker 1: tired of hearing everything about the Saints and how good
Speaker 1: the Saints are and people asking him, are you guys
Speaker 1: in awe of the Saints and it's Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: do you have to play a perfect game? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I think they find because Dak's all answers are yes
Speaker 1: and yeah, And Dak kind of started with, you know,
Speaker 1: we put our pants on the same way they do
Speaker 1: and yeah. And then I think I think DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: he's a little more perceptive, I think than everybody thinks
Speaker 1: like he pays attention, and I think he finally decided,
Speaker 1: you know what, look, we can play football too. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, he he had that planned. It didn't just happen. Well.
Speaker 1: He gave him a lot of credit too. He called
Speaker 1: him they're a maddened team. He said, if you really
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, they're by far the best team
Speaker 1: in the league. Yeah, but he was very complimentary. But
Speaker 1: you saw what he did, right he got in the
Speaker 1: middle of Jalen Smith's interview. He jumped on the bench
Speaker 1: right behind him, like, you know, was how to doty
Speaker 1: or something. And finally Jayden just got you entertaining stuff.
Speaker 1: Jen just gave up and left and then he started.
Speaker 1: And I think what he was trying to make sure
Speaker 1: is these young guys don't walk out there and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's Drew Brees. You know, we can't play against him.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what he was trying to do,
Speaker 1: is like give his his own room some confidence. And
Speaker 1: I don't think he was bragging. I don't think he
Speaker 1: was trying to egg on the Saints. He was just
Speaker 1: trying to say, hey, we can play too. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know we always ask about leaders. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that's what he was trying to do in that instance.
Speaker 1: And it was very entertaining. Always is even the parts
Speaker 1: you couldn't quote, well, we get an idea what he
Speaker 1: was saying. Did you bleep him out? Yeah? Dave wrote
Speaker 1: the story and he was there were bleeps in there. Okay, good, yeah,
Speaker 1: go check it out and cowboys dot Com and everywhere
Speaker 1: else I've made major headlines yesterday, and he's the best
Speaker 1: quote in the locker room, no doubt. And he's the
Speaker 1: best playmaker on their defense too as well. And he's
Speaker 1: got to have a big game. I think he knows it.
Speaker 1: And you know, he was asked over and over again
Speaker 1: Brian about their offensive line, and he gave him a
Speaker 1: lot of credit, but he said, they also haven't seen
Speaker 1: us yet. Yeah, and this is a defensive line that's
Speaker 1: been very productive for for the large part of the season,
Speaker 1: even though they've dealt with some injuries, especially the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. If they win this game, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be because of their defensive line. It's you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to They're gonna have to play really well against the run.
Speaker 1: Because of what we talked about earlier with Ingram and Kamara.
Speaker 1: The Saints are gonna want to try and establish that
Speaker 1: you've got to be ready for downhill game. A lot
Speaker 1: of toss, sweeps, ball coming right at you. Things like that.
Speaker 1: They're gonna put extra They're gonna put an extra tackle
Speaker 1: in the game, you know, to you know, to try
Speaker 1: and help they're blocking at the point of attack. You know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a physical front and and I'm really
Speaker 1: I'm excited that that Lawrence is a you know, trying
Speaker 1: to rally the troops. They're gonna need to play one
Speaker 1: of their best defensive games. It's and we laugh about
Speaker 1: being perfect and all that, but you almost have to
Speaker 1: be perfect because the problem is they put so much
Speaker 1: pressure on you to cover them when it comes to
Speaker 1: those routes. Drew Brees is one of the best in
Speaker 1: the league when it comes to finding a mistake in
Speaker 1: the secondary that you've made, and he will hit that
Speaker 1: guy every single time. And so how they play up front,
Speaker 1: how they controlled the Saints offensive line, how they get
Speaker 1: after Brees, how they play the run. There's They're gonna
Speaker 1: give up some plays, but they just can't give up
Speaker 1: play after play after play. They've got to find a
Speaker 1: way to get some stops. Keep an eye on this game.
Speaker 1: If this turns into an Atlanta first, like the Atlanta
Speaker 1: in the first half, the Cowboys can very well win
Speaker 1: this game. If it if it's if it's something where
Speaker 1: you know, we came in and I was bragging on Atlanta. Hey,
Speaker 1: these receivers, their ability to run the football, you know,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan on third down, all these things high flying
Speaker 1: offense and at home. Look what the always did defensively
Speaker 1: to the Falcons. They kept the Falcons out of the
Speaker 1: end zone when they had to played really great red
Speaker 1: zone defense. You know, you're eric gonna have to have
Speaker 1: the same type of effort and same type of game
Speaker 1: that you did against the Falcons if you want to
Speaker 1: win this game. Yeah, and by perfect, it depends on
Speaker 1: the definition, right, Like Saints aren't perfect either, And when
Speaker 1: a player gets asked that, they're gonna bristle at it
Speaker 1: because look, they're not facing a robot on the other
Speaker 1: side of the front either. But your definition, I understand it.
Speaker 1: You can't play a really sloppy football game against this
Speaker 1: team and expect to win. No, this is one of
Speaker 1: those things where if you get them in third and
Speaker 1: eight and all of a sudden, it's an incomplete pass
Speaker 1: and you can't have defensive holding for a five yard
Speaker 1: penalty in a first down. You know, if you get
Speaker 1: off the field, you get off the field. No hands
Speaker 1: to the face, no defensive holding, no pass interference. I mean,
Speaker 1: just go out there and play as clean a game
Speaker 1: as possible. That means with the turnovers, you know, you
Speaker 1: can't turn the ball. We always talk about that. But
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, if you get the chance to get
Speaker 1: them off the field. Byron Jones, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: any one of you guys don't get called for defensive holding,
Speaker 1: pass interference, hands the face, anything that gives the Saints
Speaker 1: a fresh set of downs. You know, if you look
Speaker 1: at what Atlanta did, I mean they moved the ball
Speaker 1: up and down the field on the Saints. Problem was
Speaker 1: they turned the ball over four times, lost three fumbles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ryan got sacked six times. Yeah. I mean they
Speaker 1: had over, you know, almost three hundred and seventy yards offense.
Speaker 1: Most of it was passing because they couldn't run the
Speaker 1: ball right. Well, they couldn't run it against the Cowboys either,
Speaker 1: but it was the turnovers that did them in in
Speaker 1: that game. Yeah, So you know you can't give them
Speaker 1: extra possessions. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't want to go
Speaker 1: back to where we start left off yesterday about extra possessions.
Speaker 1: Why because I still want the ball if I would
Speaker 1: the coin toss. Yeah, we covered that part. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's I mean, they moved the ball on them. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, now, can you can you hold them to
Speaker 1: twenty eight thirty points. You hold you make this, you
Speaker 1: hold them under thirty, which the Cowboys I think have
Speaker 1: a streak now of twelve straight games, so they've hold
Speaker 1: held an opponent under thirty points. I think I'm right
Speaker 1: about that. Well every game this year. Tennessee was the
Speaker 1: high at twenty eight. Yeah, they hold them under thirty,
Speaker 1: they've got a shot to win this football game. They
Speaker 1: were literally more than that, Brian, because it's eleven games
Speaker 1: this year. They they held them shut out the Eagles
Speaker 1: in the last game, right, it was six to nothing, right,
Speaker 1: and the game before and they got beat by Seattle.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it like twenty four thirteen something? I thought it
Speaker 1: was twelve something games myself, But it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a pretty nice streak to have if you're holding people,
Speaker 1: especially in this day and age with the way the
Speaker 1: offenses have just you know, the light you up if
Speaker 1: you if you allow them to do that. Cowboys given
Speaker 1: up nineteen point three points per game this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know the run defense, it starts there, I think,
Speaker 1: because the Saints do want to get those two acts involved.
Speaker 1: You know, they're Cowboys holding teams under one hundred yards
Speaker 1: per game, They're gonna have to do that. They're gonna
Speaker 1: we've talked about down in distance with this offense here,
Speaker 1: they've got to put breeze in some of those long
Speaker 1: down and distance situations and not where he's just comfortable
Speaker 1: all the time in second and six and third and
Speaker 1: two and all that kind of stuff. Can I ask
Speaker 1: you guys a question, and hopefully you'll get a good
Speaker 1: answer here, Give me a player and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: to pick the click kind of guy, or you know,
Speaker 1: give me a guy that we're not talking about that
Speaker 1: could be a difference maker in this game. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked a bunch about the receivers and the defensive line,
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Is there a player that we're not talking about?
Speaker 1: You're thinking, okay, when all these things are evenly matched,
Speaker 1: this guy will make a play. This guy will make
Speaker 1: a stop, This guy will make a catch. Is there
Speaker 1: somebody you got in your mind? Hold that thought? Okay,
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Speaker 1: a streak of seventeen consecutive seven teams giving up less
Speaker 1: than thirties. Time they did it was Philadelphia is spanking
Speaker 1: them thirty seven to nine during that three game, losing
Speaker 1: seventeen games of not giving up thirty points that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, hey, maybe, but maybe this
Speaker 1: year maybe I just trust who ever did that, you know,
Speaker 1: like Parcel said one wrong, all wrongs, right, Yeah, being
Speaker 1: the score in that Seattle game was twenty one twelve
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, that was the one that kind of
Speaker 1: eliminated them from a chance of getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's right, well, and then they won three in a
Speaker 1: row before that, they did, they lost three in a row,
Speaker 1: they did, and Tyrn Smith only played yeah, like a
Speaker 1: series in that game. We'll see if he can go
Speaker 1: this week. So they're already ahead of the curve because
Speaker 1: last year without him, they were oh and three, and
Speaker 1: now they're one and oh and without you know, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee miss some time in there two last year and
Speaker 1: five and now they're four and one, five and one.
Speaker 1: We talked a little on The Happy Hour Show last night,
Speaker 1: Mick about you know, they're they've withstood injuries better this year,
Speaker 1: and I think it. You know, we talked about Vanderesh
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith and the job chrish Shard has done
Speaker 1: on defense. I mean, they've they've dealt with adversity better
Speaker 1: than they did down the stretch last year to this point,
Speaker 1: they had a better player to step bid. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's part of dealing with adversity, right, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: learning curve. Yeah, Smith is still here. He was there
Speaker 1: last year. He's taken a step forward. He's keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Cam Fleming in this game. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know he's a guy that has started a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: My neck just stood up. Yeah. Well, and like you
Speaker 1: guys said, they gave him some help last last week
Speaker 1: as well. They need to continue that, whatever plan that is,
Speaker 1: continue on. But the Cats out of the bag. Now
Speaker 1: for the Saints, they've they've seen him once. That's his hope.
Speaker 1: Seventy seven can hold a three hundred pound man in place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's your biggest hope. We'll keep an eye on him
Speaker 1: at the AT and T Stadium pregame see what was
Speaker 1: going on, and we'll be there early. There can be
Speaker 1: standing next to Britt Brown while he's running. I'll be
Speaker 1: there before they get there. Well, Mickey, go down the
Speaker 1: field and tweet out what happened. For any good, any
Speaker 1: anybody going to the game. Don't wait to get there
Speaker 1: because it'll be Thursday traffic and it's not like Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: right when you know everybody was off, Yeah, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some tailgating two out there making weather report traffic reports, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: which a lot to guys. Chica tweeted out, Hey, it's
Speaker 1: three o'clock. I'm here for the seven twenty start. Well,
Speaker 1: now go down the field, Mickey, you know, get the
Speaker 1: thumbs up from doctor down from Brett if if they
Speaker 1: if it's a go and you get a thumbs up,
Speaker 1: tweeted out, Man, I don't even get analysis on the
Speaker 1: cheerleader's warm up. Don't need that, Nicky, need the analysis
Speaker 1: of whether seventy sevens playing or not. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: just stop, just you're you're you're doing good right injuries cheerleaders? Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: absolutely not all right? How about this? How about answer
Speaker 1: Bryan's question from what you got a guy? You got
Speaker 1: a guy that that we're not talking about that you
Speaker 1: know in this game, when you have so many players
Speaker 1: on both sides that are key components, is there somebody
Speaker 1: on that forty six that's gonna show up in this
Speaker 1: game that at the end of the day, we're gonna go,
Speaker 1: wow that that guy right there made a little bit
Speaker 1: of a difference. And it doesn't have to be like ten, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen plays. Maybe he makes a tackle on a kickoff
Speaker 1: return or or a kickoffer tun but a you know
Speaker 1: tackle or on a special teams or makes a field
Speaker 1: goal or you know punt s well whatever that give
Speaker 1: me that guy. I'll give you a guy. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: And he's he's been a part of a big part
Speaker 1: of this thing. But last week one catch Cole Beasley. Ah,
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't. I don't think we've talked enough
Speaker 1: about other receiver. I mean we talked so much since
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup has been here as Cole Beasley has been
Speaker 1: put on the back back burner since since Cooper got here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, I said Gallup, I meant Cooper. I
Speaker 1: meant Cooper. I'm sorry, Yeah, I mean, And we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Cooper for good reason. But he also
Speaker 1: and you've talked about this during the week, Brian, how
Speaker 1: are they going to play him? Could that open up
Speaker 1: some opportunities for other guys if they try to double
Speaker 1: him a little bit? See what the Saints do. Beasley
Speaker 1: is such a safety blanket for Dak. I think in
Speaker 1: this game, you've got to get your offense cranked up
Speaker 1: and you're probably gonna have to spread it around and
Speaker 1: and find production from other sources. And I think he's
Speaker 1: a guy that uh Dak trusts and and I just
Speaker 1: expect more from than one catch for five yards. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you saw on tape, you personally that
Speaker 1: maybe in the Washington game, maybe they took him away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a guy that certainly can step up. Is
Speaker 1: that all he had one catch one, two targets win
Speaker 1: catch one and he had five or fifty one against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been productive in a maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit more reduced role with Cooper here, but get you know,
Speaker 1: get him going a little bit, find ways to get
Speaker 1: him going. That was my pick. Got another one, Beasley,
Speaker 1: Let Brian go in. I'll think of another way. Game.
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound really, really strange, And I want
Speaker 1: to love on what the potential is with Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: with all their receivers and backs, with Kamara and stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to love on Jordan Lewis. I'm throwing at you.
Speaker 1: That's gonna you're gonna I'm gonna get a wow. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get a Nate Newton wow from everybody here. Rico
Speaker 1: gathers yes, yes, this is the type of game where
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers has been used as a blocker, blocker, blocker.
Speaker 1: Do you find a way to get him involved some way,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a red zone opportunity, is it
Speaker 1: a third down opportunity? Is this a time where we
Speaker 1: see them throw the football? And I know I'm asking
Speaker 1: a lot here because all Rico's really done is he's
Speaker 1: been blocking. He's been trying to learn the offense and block,
Speaker 1: and but is this a time where you know, these
Speaker 1: tight ends we haven't really you know with it. The
Speaker 1: whole thing was Jeff Swain is we've said, Okay, who's
Speaker 1: gonna step up, who's gonna play? You know, you think
Speaker 1: maybe Jarwin, maybe Schultz, But this might be one of
Speaker 1: those games or something good happens with Rico Gathers and
Speaker 1: and he makes one or two plays where you go, wow,
Speaker 1: that was a difference. That was a key catch there,
Speaker 1: That was a key moment in this game. That would
Speaker 1: be my guy that kind of keep an eye on,
Speaker 1: because I think they're setting him up for something. You know,
Speaker 1: I think they're setting him up to do something in
Speaker 1: this game because all he does is block. But let's
Speaker 1: see if he can make a play reception wise in
Speaker 1: this football game. So I got one, all right, do
Speaker 1: it like you know, family feud. Ye give me Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, all right, because the Cowboys are gonna get
Speaker 1: pressure on Drew Brees and I think and I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be stubborn. He's still gonna want to throw
Speaker 1: some up down the field. Okay, And if Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: is in single high coverage, he's gonna pick one off.
Speaker 1: Get that body in front, just time, right, get the
Speaker 1: body in front, you know, watch out. Yeah, Okay, anybody
Speaker 1: liking maybe maybe a bounce back or a better game
Speaker 1: from a Woozier or am I am I? Or is
Speaker 1: a Woozier right now? Just kind of a Woozier. I
Speaker 1: don't think that would surprise me. I mean, he created
Speaker 1: the one interest right right, and he should have had another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a good tip ball. Nice job of vander
Speaker 1: esh beginning between McCoy and a Woozier on that play
Speaker 1: that to try and give him a chance. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of you know, the boy. They need
Speaker 1: him him, They just need him to play a little
Speaker 1: more aggressive. And I think Jason Carrett mentioned it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that he needs to be more aggressive,
Speaker 1: and I think the last couple of games he has been.
Speaker 1: You see him playing man at uptight close run with
Speaker 1: the guy. I think he needs to continue to do
Speaker 1: that because I bet they got Michael Thomas on that
Speaker 1: side of the There's no question. Yeah, there's assignment. There's
Speaker 1: no question. He's been in position this season to make
Speaker 1: plays on the ball. Yeah, and hasn't quite finished. We've
Speaker 1: seen him finish better, finish Yeah. So because his coverage
Speaker 1: has been good largely throughout the season. Um, I'll give
Speaker 1: you one more. Okay, give me, let me hit the bells.
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding. Taco Charlton. If indeed he's active,
Speaker 1: he practiced this week, I think you're good to week.
Speaker 1: I think you're good. I mean he's uh. Like we
Speaker 1: talked about the left tackle situation right for the Saints.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with him. Randy Gregory, those guys. Yeah, Gregory,
Speaker 1: you have a run, get some production on the other side, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get Crawford going inside, you get d
Speaker 1: Law on the other side. It's gonna take a full
Speaker 1: effort from the D line. I wonder if they trust
Speaker 1: Taco to start and then they can move Crawford inside.
Speaker 1: I think that to me, I would go with the
Speaker 1: human log and and Collins as my starters and keep
Speaker 1: Crawfordford on the out because I need to play some
Speaker 1: run dee. Yeah if it turns yeah, if it turns
Speaker 1: into I think you need because if you forgot about Collins,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I think it like I say, you
Speaker 1: put as many big guys inside as you can, and
Speaker 1: then you put as many guys on the edge that
Speaker 1: can tackle you. Like the human law gunt you. I
Speaker 1: always giggle at it because I imagine somebody who's never
Speaker 1: listened to our show and doesn't know much about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Nate Newton came up with the human law. The human
Speaker 1: log is yeah, yeah, Antoine Woods, Yeah, Antoine Woods call him.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna need to play the run early in
Speaker 1: this game. I think they're gonna need to be firm
Speaker 1: at the edges and firm in the middle. And and
Speaker 1: but if it means moving, you know, taking Woods out
Speaker 1: to rush the passer and the nickel by all means
Speaker 1: do so. So I think that you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: this rotation at least with at least with Taco back.
Speaker 1: He gives you another body to rotate in there. It's
Speaker 1: a shame that you don't have David Irving in there
Speaker 1: to make things happen. But that's that, you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked about that. That's a that's something, is what it is.
Speaker 1: So they got to play with what you got and
Speaker 1: what you got. It's not bad. David Irving will continue
Speaker 1: to be the cherry on top of the Sunday. You
Speaker 1: can eat the Sunday without the cherry, right, can't count
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, And if somebody puts the Sunday in
Speaker 1: front of you without a cherry, you're okay with that,
Speaker 1: cam hole. I'm eating it. Yeah, I'm still That's the
Speaker 1: ice cream and the whip cream and I'm still now.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what's about my My outlook has
Speaker 1: been since the beginning of the season when he had
Speaker 1: the service four game suspension. Yeah, anything you get on
Speaker 1: him is cherry on the top, count on it, gravy
Speaker 1: on the biscuits. There you go. Which game was it?
Speaker 1: Was it Jacksonville where they had Irving and Gregory on
Speaker 1: the field together. Yeah, and it was I think Jerry
Speaker 1: said this is something I've dreamed about for years. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's the potential is amazing, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: not a lot more issues there than we'll even know.
Speaker 1: That's the issue. Yeah, all right, Uh, we got a
Speaker 1: few minutes left in the show. Let's just go ahead
Speaker 1: because the break is following us immediately after this show. Immediately. Yes,
Speaker 1: we got short, short shifts today. We're in hockey mode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all bunching those lines to get a Saturday Yeah exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we don't usually do a show on Saturday. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Welcome to the big Time. We're doing one. We
Speaker 1: normally do one on Sunday. That's true. Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do one on Friday. Okay, I think, well we check
Speaker 1: back for that. Probably need to all right, Uh, we
Speaker 1: need to get picks in and picks to click as well.
Speaker 1: I'll start with Bryan. Since you're making that face, you're
Speaker 1: making that Mickey face. Go ahead, Brian. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm I'm riding a little bit of a winning streak
Speaker 1: of one game. I had a three game skid there,
Speaker 1: I had a five game in a row, start seven
Speaker 1: and four right now, and I you know what this
Speaker 1: team has baffled me all year. When I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna play well, they play well when they when
Speaker 1: they play well, I don't think you know, you get
Speaker 1: the idea, you get the picture. I don't want to
Speaker 1: confuse you out there, George Bush, but I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to to tell you this. I think this team
Speaker 1: wins this game this week. I do. I think that
Speaker 1: the Saints are coming in. Yes, all the offense they're
Speaker 1: d I don't think their defense gets to their enough credit.
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Cowboys defense gets nearly enough
Speaker 1: credit for where they for where they're going, and I
Speaker 1: think they're I think this is a big time measuring
Speaker 1: stick game for them. I think they do carry this thing.
Speaker 1: Under thirty points. They carried under thirty points. Dallas can
Speaker 1: move the ball offensively, finish some drives, though it's gonna
Speaker 1: come down to having to finish some drives. H And
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then the Cowboys will find a
Speaker 1: way to win this football game. They're the ones that
Speaker 1: are going to score thirty. The Saints are gonna score
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Dallas thirty Saints twenty eight. This one kicks
Speaker 1: them in the right direction for the remainder of the
Speaker 1: season to go try and win this division. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a one of those measuring stick games.
Speaker 1: I think they get it done. Picks the click, pick,
Speaker 1: the click, I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna need this
Speaker 1: is where I'm anything. I'm gonna need. H I don't
Speaker 1: have that in mind yet my pick, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I need I need something. I need to think
Speaker 1: of something because you got me with Taco there in
Speaker 1: what he need because I think that rotation. I think
Speaker 1: anybody my picks to click, Okay, picks to click are
Speaker 1: anybody that's rushing against bush Rod on that side, whether
Speaker 1: it's Randy Gregory, whether it's Crawford, whether it's Taco. Somebody
Speaker 1: on that right side needs to help me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and get some push in the middle
Speaker 1: of effect breeze. I need to close in the backside.
Speaker 1: Anybody that's going up against bush Rod, I need you
Speaker 1: to click. In this football game, don't be surprised if
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence moves over. I'm on a two game winning streak,
Speaker 1: not three. I guess I was not believing that they
Speaker 1: can go on the road. You were first road guy
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. They showed me. Um, look, the Saints have
Speaker 1: one ten in a row. It's probably time they lose one. WHOA,
Speaker 1: So I got the Cowboys thirty one thirty wow, and
Speaker 1: my pick to click will continue to be Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: They haven't faced a running back like him since the Rams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a very good scored. What forty some What was
Speaker 1: the score of that game? It was a high score.
Speaker 1: It wasn't enough. Uh it was forty five thirty five.
Speaker 1: So um, I'll that's that's where I'm going. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: here comes the thundercloud from rob U. I'm on a
Speaker 1: three game win streak. I believe picked the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: picked the Cowboys the last several weeks actually, and I
Speaker 1: was cut with Mickey covering the game in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine when they went to New Orleans with I
Speaker 1: think LP was the only guy left, the only guy
Speaker 1: left over from that team beat New Orleans. Similar situation, undefeated,
Speaker 1: averaging thirty five thirty six points a game, and they
Speaker 1: cut the point total in half. I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 1: like you said, Brian, if this defense steps up and
Speaker 1: plays terrific um the Saints just have something going right
Speaker 1: now and you're not wrong. You're not wrong at all.
Speaker 1: And maybe that can change by January, but right now
Speaker 1: they are in such a role. Um. I like, I
Speaker 1: love the way Dallas overall has played at home this season.
Speaker 1: They've really played overall a lot better at home. I
Speaker 1: think this is gonna be a really good game, right,
Speaker 1: hurry up, and picked the Saints. I think off offensively,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys gonna score some points. Um, But I like
Speaker 1: the Saints in the end in this one fair enough.
Speaker 1: I think maybe they get they get to thirty thirty one,
Speaker 1: twenty eight, yeah, and flip it the other way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and picked it like, I wouldn't be surprised if they
Speaker 1: do it. And if they do, it's gonna be to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence reaking havoc. And and you know, they need
Speaker 1: to create some extra possession and maybe it's him. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's a strip, sack, fumble on breeze, something like that
Speaker 1: to give them an extra possession. Offensively, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have one of those. Yeah, you're gonna get it
Speaker 1: from the coit toss? Is that what it is? Defer
Speaker 1: it's been working for him, Yeah, he ain't played the Saints.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. You don't know to get three
Speaker 1: and out though, just ball, it's still three plays zero zero. Okay,
Speaker 1: my point punning from that, you're punting from your own eighteen.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down this rabbit hole. But
Speaker 1: you're talking about what Marcus said in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You want to give your guys some confidence, give your
Speaker 1: defense some confidence. Let's go out there and stop him
Speaker 1: first possession. Yeah, all right, Micky's not in that. On
Speaker 1: board with that. All right, it's nothing wrong with stopping
Speaker 1: him the second possession. That's fair enough. Stop him possession,
Speaker 1: stop him the first possession of the second half. All right,
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us. Thanks you, ken, everybody.
Speaker 1: Enjoy the game. The break is coming up next, they'll
Speaker 1: have their picks and we'll have more coverage of the
Speaker 1: matchup today and after the game on Thursday. Thanks for
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