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Speaker 1: How about them Cowboys? Wow? The Cowboys beating the Saints
Speaker 1: thirteen ten. Although the scar doesn't seem too appealing, it
Speaker 1: was a huge win by the defense, who was able
Speaker 1: to hold Drew Brees two ten points, just ten points,
Speaker 1: the highest scoring offense in the NFL and they only
Speaker 1: got ten points. So I wanted to start off your
Speaker 1: first reaction of what this defense was able to do
Speaker 1: last night and what we witness. I mean, it was shocking.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about before, you know, about being
Speaker 1: surprised and shocked and all that. It was everything. I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's everyone, um was shocked the
Speaker 1: way the Cowboys defense played. I mean, they've moved to
Speaker 1: another level in this game. Um. And I know that, Derek,
Speaker 1: that's something you've talked about, but I mean they I
Speaker 1: just didn't give them enough credit. There's no way that
Speaker 1: they that they could do that. I didn't think that
Speaker 1: they were good enough to something's gonna have to give.
Speaker 1: The cowboy was going to score more than they're used to,
Speaker 1: or the defense was gonna have to just completely shut
Speaker 1: down the best offense in the league. And they did so.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they're on another level. Now I gotta
Speaker 1: raise the energy level here for a second. Holy crap,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Are you get here? Absolutely for
Speaker 1: real right now? Like that's really that's my That's my
Speaker 1: impression night, been my impression since probably Jordan Lewis interception
Speaker 1: because I was standing behind the goal post on the
Speaker 1: field saying, this is how it happens. The offense didn't
Speaker 1: do their part, and now Drew Brees is going to
Speaker 1: drive down the field and break their hearts and win
Speaker 1: seventeen to thirteen or whatever, yeah, sixteen thirty, I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever. Drew Brees was gonna drive down there and
Speaker 1: bail the Saints out, and it was going to be terrible,
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be the tough luck, loser defense thing,
Speaker 1: and we were gonna have to go into that locker
Speaker 1: room and listen to them just be heartbroken. And then
Speaker 1: they did that ten points, ten points, one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy six yards, the lowest output that the Sean Payton
Speaker 1: Saints have ever put out. Super Bowl winning team teams
Speaker 1: the eleven twelve wins year in year out, always the
Speaker 1: best in the league. That is one of the most
Speaker 1: amazing things I've ever seen in a football game. Yep, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's so perfect. That's exactly right. Literally, always Dave that
Speaker 1: just that, you know, takes us to another energy level.
Speaker 1: But it had to be done. Like I don't like,
Speaker 1: I just watched LSU and seven overtimes, seven overtimes. It's
Speaker 1: not as amazing as holding that team to ten points,
Speaker 1: no doubt about ten points one touchdown. Yep. Thursday were
Speaker 1: averaging thirty seven points a game. And they never drove
Speaker 1: the ball on them, No, not at once. At one
Speaker 1: time did they take the ball and really drive it
Speaker 1: and just beat the Cowboys down. The Cowboys basically handed
Speaker 1: them that drive. Yep. If if they you heard this
Speaker 1: in the locker room throughout the game, if the offense
Speaker 1: even plays marginally better, it is a emphatic win. Think
Speaker 1: about thinking, I mean, you had seven sacks, Zeke didn't
Speaker 1: get to a hundred yards. If we would have talked
Speaker 1: about a Friday, we would have said, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lay this out for you. Ze's gonna be somewhere around
Speaker 1: seventy five yards and they're gonna give up seventy five
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna go seven sacks. We would have
Speaker 1: all immediately been like, they're gonna get blasted. Like that
Speaker 1: means they got blasted. If Zeke's not running well and
Speaker 1: they're given up sacks, that means they got blasted. And
Speaker 1: that shows you just how lead the defense was. Like
Speaker 1: this was a whole different level of defense. I always
Speaker 1: thought this defense was good. This year, this was on
Speaker 1: another plane of defensive play. Like this is like we
Speaker 1: talked about, Okay, now you called it it is elite game,
Speaker 1: So now you feel confident about calling this defense an
Speaker 1: elite defense. Last night I called their effort last night elite. Now,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about elite defenses, they do it
Speaker 1: for a season or more. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been elite all season. What I know was
Speaker 1: last night was an elite effort. And you and I
Speaker 1: were having this debate, you were like, because I was saying,
Speaker 1: at that moment, when Dave was questioning whether how Breeze
Speaker 1: was gonna get the ball whatever, and I said, if
Speaker 1: they can't stop them right now, this is not at
Speaker 1: an elite defensive performance, because elite means not only do
Speaker 1: you play well throughout the game, but you gotta finish.
Speaker 1: And this defense really for a few years, I think
Speaker 1: has been good enough to where they keep their team
Speaker 1: in games sometimes and that kind of stuff. But when
Speaker 1: it comes down to that final drive and you got
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on the other side, or you got you know,
Speaker 1: you name the good quarterback, they just can't win the game.
Speaker 1: Last night, they finished it. Not only they finished, they
Speaker 1: finished it by taking the ball from him. And that,
Speaker 1: to me is where you look at teams going from
Speaker 1: being good defenses to being elite defenses. Starting in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: I would describe this defense as like sneaky good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they don't give up touchdowns and you know you
Speaker 1: can win, you can. They won't lose you games. They
Speaker 1: just won you a game against Arguably the NFL is
Speaker 1: the best team I've never seen a Cowboys team where
Speaker 1: the offense basically no showed and they won against a
Speaker 1: good team. I mean, you know, beat you beat the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, the old Cleveland Browns. That's one thing, right,
Speaker 1: beating this team basically getting next to no help from
Speaker 1: your offense after the first quarter. It's amazing, you know.
Speaker 1: It is on the Saints break right now that they're
Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, it was a bad performance for
Speaker 1: their offense, but I'm telling you this that that right
Speaker 1: there is probably your favorite to win the whole thing
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But yeah, still yeah, because because that defense.
Speaker 1: I didn't give him enough credit. I really didn't. They
Speaker 1: run the you know, the number one run def agreed,
Speaker 1: their defense was really good too, So I mean, and
Speaker 1: was Cam Jordan that said it, which puts you know
Speaker 1: that it's it's actually complimentary for the Cowboys. He said, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Maybe we'll see him again in New or
Speaker 1: want to. I wish them the best because I want
Speaker 1: to play him again. Yeah, I would too if that
Speaker 1: was him. Now, I'll say this, um number seventy seven
Speaker 1: is going to probably be there in that game a
Speaker 1: little different that that is so impressive that this offensive
Speaker 1: line and I'm not going to call him three backups.
Speaker 1: I don't like that anymore. Because Connor Williams is healthy
Speaker 1: he's not starting over. Was not healthy in that game,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. He had a he had
Speaker 1: a tough night on that ankle. But they will get healthy.
Speaker 1: That's what's so impressive is that they were able to
Speaker 1: win a game like this. It will sloppy at time,
Speaker 1: especially on offense, you know, and Dak twenty four, twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about one incomplete past there, which is a
Speaker 1: big play. I mean, it's one that he needs to make.
Speaker 1: But man, I mean, I just thought with his offensive
Speaker 1: line when you think about it, to beat the Saints
Speaker 1: the way they did and did now to get ten
Speaker 1: days off, you know, the number ten has been thrown
Speaker 1: out a lot here lately. You know, ten game winning streak,
Speaker 1: ten points by the Saints. Now ten days off. To
Speaker 1: get better than that performance, that's impressive and get those
Speaker 1: guys back that you that you just coverage seventy seven
Speaker 1: fish on Lee speaking of ten, maybe ten, ten maybe ten.
Speaker 1: I saw him running around last night. He's been dancing around.
Speaker 1: He saw him run so and he seems good, and
Speaker 1: I think that that will help all that help mean energy,
Speaker 1: the energy that he has and the energy that he
Speaker 1: would bring onto the field. That would be an amazing
Speaker 1: addition to have back. I've never I've said this a
Speaker 1: half dozen times since like yesterday, so forgive me, or
Speaker 1: even in the last couple of weeks. I just I've
Speaker 1: never had less of an idea about a team at
Speaker 1: this stage in the season, like you, like, by by December,
Speaker 1: which is basically December, you pretty much know if the
Speaker 1: teams are you still there or are you saying this
Speaker 1: was before this game? Just I've never seen a swing
Speaker 1: like this well, I mean no, I mean yes, I'm
Speaker 1: i this is amazing, Like, this is such an amazing
Speaker 1: performance that you have to take them seriously. You've seen
Speaker 1: swings like this before, though, I mean no, Okay, go
Speaker 1: back maybe the one that jumped in my mind and
Speaker 1: the one job I'm not talking about Cowboys, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about around lad I'm talking about the Dallas Okay. I
Speaker 1: Usually by December you're like, this team is not very
Speaker 1: good or this team is really good, and then you
Speaker 1: come you know, you come out here on Thursdayay of football.
Speaker 1: They're supposed to lose to the Saints and you're the
Speaker 1: only one that picked them. Congaculations, and then and then
Speaker 1: they do that, and I mean they only won by
Speaker 1: three points. I get it, but they looked dominant, at
Speaker 1: least on the defensive side of the ball. And anybody
Speaker 1: that watched that game, which is the highest rated Thursday
Speaker 1: night football game ever, so everybody history ever, So everybody
Speaker 1: he watched it, and so even the most but even
Speaker 1: the biggest cowboy hater in the world has to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that this team, Well, did he just something to be reckoned?
Speaker 1: Did he? This morning? I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: It's ESPN guy. I don't pay attention to that. I
Speaker 1: don't either. It's all it's all stick just wanted pro
Speaker 1: wrestling for football. But also, let's say I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the picks. I mean, it just feels like the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room. And that's why you were freaking out
Speaker 1: on the siline this. I've never seen you like that before.
Speaker 1: I was freaking out of the press box. You did
Speaker 1: have to be like, are you the one? Are you
Speaker 1: the one that pounded on the table when miss gallup? RP?
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, p R that's what I mean saying No,
Speaker 1: that was not me, No, that that moment was not
Speaker 1: p But I was getting a little loud, like I
Speaker 1: was getting a little loud. At one point, Nick was
Speaker 1: kind of like, dude, Mickey Junior, and I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: which is funny that me telling anyone dialogue Just so
Speaker 1: you guys know, there's no cheering in the press box.
Speaker 1: That's why we're talking there. But anyways, let's talk about
Speaker 1: most people you pick the Cowboys, and you did. You
Speaker 1: picked them a lot this year. But what there was
Speaker 1: some game that you said though, that was that that
Speaker 1: really played out here. You talked about this football team
Speaker 1: is six and five on paper, but this team, this
Speaker 1: team that is playing here, is not a six and
Speaker 1: five team. It's playing at a different level. Vander esh
Speaker 1: just taking them to another level. Dlass take them. Cooper
Speaker 1: has taken the offense all rolled into one too. This
Speaker 1: team is better and which is kind of what you said.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's hard to say, are they seven and five?
Speaker 1: This is a four and one team? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there any who else has won four in a row?
Speaker 1: I was thinking, are they highest team? Houston one? No? Actually,
Speaker 1: I literally you know, I had this dumb idea. I
Speaker 1: was like, are the is this the two longest winning
Speaker 1: streets in the NFL right now? It's it's not closets seven,
Speaker 1: Houston's won eight, Chicago's won five. I think Minnesota's won
Speaker 1: a few in a row. I believe like there's there's
Speaker 1: a few. There's a few like that. There's a few. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's still that doesn't diminish four wins in
Speaker 1: a row and they play. They played five games in
Speaker 1: the month of November one four of them, which the
Speaker 1: fact that they've looked as good as they have makes
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Laws even more perplexing. But whatever it was.
Speaker 1: A month ago, wrote a quick story about they already
Speaker 1: named vander Es the defensive Rookie of the Month and
Speaker 1: for November with one game to play, it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, it's Thursday game, as someone's
Speaker 1: got to do it. And you know, I thought, man,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is gonna like jinx him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, not at all. And I
Speaker 1: love the wolf Hunter Howling. I love the Wolf Hunter.
Speaker 1: Now that they're doing that in the stadium, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: He um, he's not the leader of that group. We
Speaker 1: can talk about what d Law said and that was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It basically a script writer. But vander esh is the
Speaker 1: best defensive player on the team in my opinion, do
Speaker 1: y'all y'all agree with that? Is my opinion. I honestly
Speaker 1: still think player. But you're I don't think you're crazy
Speaker 1: like I don't agree. I mean, well as a leader obviously, DeMarcus,
Speaker 1: but as of right now, I would say for sure,
Speaker 1: Vander Okay, so let me ask you this. You go ahead,
Speaker 1: I mean it was your tweet. So which one the
Speaker 1: one about DeMarcus is with that line? Oh? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean so far the season he let's
Speaker 1: give him. I mean, he makes the fourth down stop
Speaker 1: on a goal line stand that keeps the Saint Sad
Speaker 1: of the end zone. He had four tackles, a sack,
Speaker 1: and a forced fumble, and should have had another sack
Speaker 1: and another forced fumble if not for a bogus off
Speaker 1: side call. So he played himself a pretty damn good game.
Speaker 1: He's And the thing about it is, to me, what
Speaker 1: makes him so much better than even the stats is
Speaker 1: what he does for everybody else. He makes everybody else
Speaker 1: on that defense because guess what going into every game,
Speaker 1: every offense is he's the guy we gotta worry about.
Speaker 1: And in spite of that, he still puts up numbers
Speaker 1: like that and manages to take a double team and
Speaker 1: manages to give these other guys the leadership they need
Speaker 1: in order to be the best versions of themselves they
Speaker 1: can be. I just don't I don't think Vanderesh is
Speaker 1: there yet from the standpoint of making everybody else better.
Speaker 1: He's a great player, I don't think he's making everybody
Speaker 1: else better when you had everything else like that off
Speaker 1: the field stuff and the energy and the leadership. For sure,
Speaker 1: hands down DeMarcus Lawrence. But I'm saying, like specifically playing
Speaker 1: on the field without being aware of those untangible things.
Speaker 1: Vanders He's been all over the field. You see him
Speaker 1: everywhere on the press box. All I hear is La
Speaker 1: Vendors made the tackle that probably I was about to say,
Speaker 1: it's a different he's a different name every time, but
Speaker 1: go ahead on DeMarcus Lawrence went down the line on
Speaker 1: that fourth and one and made and made the tackle.
Speaker 1: But most of the time, when you the defensive end
Speaker 1: goes and makes that play, it's because the running back,
Speaker 1: you know, the quickest running back in the league, didn't
Speaker 1: get there. So I went I actually looked at that play.
Speaker 1: I saw it a couple of times. Crawford, by the way,
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford to me, Keim and Looney to be of
Speaker 1: the most underrated players on this team right now. Of
Speaker 1: course they didn't give up seven sacks, so I would say,
Speaker 1: right now, Crawford at the league but a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you know who else was kind of stuff to
Speaker 1: run on that play? Vander Esh I mean, he's right
Speaker 1: there too, so he's a freak. And then quiet, not
Speaker 1: quietly because he swipes every play, but fifty four if
Speaker 1: he's your third best guy right now, like he makes
Speaker 1: it well known that he made a play about that
Speaker 1: guy as quiet, I say that admiration in my voice.
Speaker 1: But then you know you're talking about the defensive line
Speaker 1: and the linebackers. Six pass deflections. You were counting an
Speaker 1: all game long those four in the first two series,
Speaker 1: and by the way, they were both three and out,
Speaker 1: so in six plays they had four pass deflections. Drew
Speaker 1: Brees has been playing pro football since most of these
Speaker 1: guys were in middle school, and he had never started
Speaker 1: a game owing four in his entire career. Yep, and
Speaker 1: think about this. We talked about this last week about
Speaker 1: how the Saints play offense and how breeze. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need separation. He's one of those quarterbacks that just puts
Speaker 1: the ball right on the money and typically defenders can't
Speaker 1: get tight enough coverage to be able to make affect
Speaker 1: the play. That was exactly what they did last night.
Speaker 1: The only difference was the Cowboys defensive backs were on it.
Speaker 1: Like when I mean they were on it. They were
Speaker 1: right on those receivers hips and they were able to
Speaker 1: knock the balls down. That was the difference because in
Speaker 1: most games, he completes a lot of those passes that
Speaker 1: they ended up knocking down. To me, those defensive backs.
Speaker 1: We can talk as much we want about vander esh
Speaker 1: and about and about Tank, but to me, the MVPs
Speaker 1: of that defense last night were the secondary. I think
Speaker 1: those guys played a phenomenal game. Anthony Brown gave up
Speaker 1: a thirty yard touchdown and I don't even care pushed
Speaker 1: off but but well yeah, yeah, I mean like he
Speaker 1: played it. He had a sack, he had two pass
Speaker 1: for like, he played fantastic touchdown and be damned that
Speaker 1: they all did. I believe that they did not call
Speaker 1: a holding on Lawrence. I mean Lawrence was getting oh
Speaker 1: he got tackle hug to the ground, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: this is coming back. You know that's not in a
Speaker 1: poorly officiated game. And I'm sure the Saints on both sides,
Speaker 1: the Saints fans probably say the same thing, and they'll
Speaker 1: be right. I mean, I thought there were some really
Speaker 1: bad calls. And it's not college football, because if it
Speaker 1: was Jalen Smith wasn't going to play the rest of
Speaker 1: that game and probably wouldn't play next week if it
Speaker 1: was he hit. There is no targeting call in the NFL, correct,
Speaker 1: because it's targeting, is there? Because I kept every here
Speaker 1: and everybody talk about that should have been targeting. But
Speaker 1: I didn't think there was an actual targeting call. I
Speaker 1: thought there was a personal file of launching yourself out
Speaker 1: at a pump, but I didn't think there was like
Speaker 1: targeting a targeting call. Don't put me on the spot.
Speaker 1: I think I think there is now, but it's escaping me,
Speaker 1: but not one that is like reviewable like this in college.
Speaker 1: And then and they so they don't get into the
Speaker 1: next game. They missed, They missed the hit on Jalen
Speaker 1: should have been a flag. They missed the face mask
Speaker 1: on Dak Randy Gregory, like that offside on that, like,
Speaker 1: are you absolutely kidding with me right now? Like that?
Speaker 1: And by the way, there were a number of plays
Speaker 1: earlier in the game where I thought it should have
Speaker 1: been a false start on on New Orleans. You and
Speaker 1: I talked about it, Like one play Kamar took off running.
Speaker 1: That's why the Prey even got a trend for this
Speaker 1: entire season across the NFL. Is these guys moving early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very starting to look like Canadian football out there. Seriously,
Speaker 1: these guys are like, like really quick. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and it seems like that's within the rules
Speaker 1: to do it, and some teams are taking advantage on him.
Speaker 1: But that guy's as quick as anything. He doesn't need
Speaker 1: any more of a head start. I can't you know.
Speaker 1: I'll say this too great hit on that third down
Speaker 1: play by um Jalen Smith, But Byron Jones made that play.
Speaker 1: It's just Byron Jones and Kamara. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of guys don't even get a hand on him, and
Speaker 1: he slowed him up just enough for Jalen to come
Speaker 1: over there. I thought that was a huge play by
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. I agree, a huge play by Jalen Smith, though,
Speaker 1: I mean like Kamara got free from the tackle, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like he had enough scheme that you would expect.
Speaker 1: But it's most players. He's gonna clamor his way into
Speaker 1: the end zone. And when Jalen Smith hits you, you
Speaker 1: just stopped. We've seen the first time he gets out
Speaker 1: there outside, it's almost like a train. Just run somebody over.
Speaker 1: The next stops. Then next time a ball carrier falls
Speaker 1: forward against Jalen Smith will be the first time. Right,
Speaker 1: it's on Annie. This defense indeed choked them out and
Speaker 1: they give them in the mouth. So everything, let's take
Speaker 1: our first break when we come back. Let's move on
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Speaker 1: This is the second segment of the Break. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna discuss that Prescott's performance last night. He completed twenty
Speaker 1: four out of twenty eight attempts total two hundred forty
Speaker 1: eight yards with the quarterback rating of one hundred fifteen
Speaker 1: point five. It was great. Who would have thought, especially
Speaker 1: when you compare it to what Drew Brees was unable
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I thought he played a really, really
Speaker 1: good football game. And I know that you know he's
Speaker 1: not perfect, and he's gonna mispasses and his accuracy is
Speaker 1: you know, an is year at times. But twenty four
Speaker 1: of twenty eight, I thought he did what he needed
Speaker 1: to do. And you know what's not in that stat
Speaker 1: line there is that ten yard run or eleven yard
Speaker 1: run on third and ten when he was basically like,
Speaker 1: you're not bringing me down, and that was cute. That's
Speaker 1: the type of play that we're like, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: we compare him or I do, at least to Cam
Speaker 1: Newton that style. And then he was coming and he
Speaker 1: came back and listed a deep ball that should have
Speaker 1: been a touchdown that was very Cam Newton like in
Speaker 1: that game. But just to run over that defense and
Speaker 1: say I'm getting this first down. That's two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row that he's made a play with his legs.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought he played really really well in
Speaker 1: You're right, he was. He was better than Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and that game. And you know, actually, the thing about
Speaker 1: him as a runner, I always people always when people
Speaker 1: talk about him as a running quarterback, I always cost
Speaker 1: him like he's not really a running quarterback because he
Speaker 1: doesn't really make people miss. He doesn't really have elusive
Speaker 1: kind of speed. None of that. But last night when
Speaker 1: we saw it reminds me and I know again I
Speaker 1: got on my Texas gear. That reminded me of what
Speaker 1: Ellinger brings to the Longhorns. He didn't have to be elusive, ritty.
Speaker 1: He's that guy that's gritty, and because Dak has that
Speaker 1: kind of body, he's he's a bigger guy. He could
Speaker 1: break tackles and that's what he did last night when
Speaker 1: he made that run. There were two guys that should
Speaker 1: have tackled him and he just wasn't going down. And
Speaker 1: that's where if he can do that consistently without getting hurt,
Speaker 1: by the way, that's where he can provide a great
Speaker 1: value for this team as a running quarterback. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say again, not being effected after
Speaker 1: getting sacked seven times throughout the game, his ability to
Speaker 1: get back on his feed and keep going. Also, we
Speaker 1: saw one of those plays where he attempted to make
Speaker 1: a run and he just hesitated, waited a little too long,
Speaker 1: and then got his sack. The fact that he puts
Speaker 1: that behind and he's able to move on from that
Speaker 1: and again attempt and not be scared to go for
Speaker 1: it and run. That's amazing. They're seven or fourteen on
Speaker 1: third down fifty I gotta run the numbers. But like
Speaker 1: they're so much better on third down since they got
Speaker 1: Cooper four of the seven or direct result of dak
Speaker 1: he hit Jarwin on a third, he hit Cooper on
Speaker 1: a third, and he hit Beasley on a third stretch
Speaker 1: over the line. Then he you know, big big boy
Speaker 1: Daddy run for twelve yards like he is clutch, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to continue to perform that way when he's
Speaker 1: getting the hell knocked out of him. Absolutely, you're right.
Speaker 1: The miss on gallop, he just looms so large in
Speaker 1: my mind because you can put the game away and
Speaker 1: then ball security has got to be better. It's been
Speaker 1: a thing for him all year to the point where
Speaker 1: like I'm like, do you need to wear gloves? Like
Speaker 1: are your hands sweaty? What's going on here? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know again, and that's what I said at the
Speaker 1: top of the show, is like he fumbles, you don't
Speaker 1: even get a field goal, so the Saints don't even
Speaker 1: need to score a touchdown to potentially tie that game.
Speaker 1: And I just I would have bet my whole savings
Speaker 1: account that you know, it was going to be like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers all over again, and Drew Brees is going
Speaker 1: to lead them down to either send it to overtime
Speaker 1: or win the game. And it's a testament to the
Speaker 1: defense that he didn't. But those two plays, you know,
Speaker 1: as clutch as he is, and you can clearly win
Speaker 1: games with him, gotta be more accurate in situations like that.
Speaker 1: And you can't put the ball in the turn. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's probably fumbled like ten times this year, if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, and you know, they've gotten fortunate that
Speaker 1: a lot of them haven't gotten away from him, but
Speaker 1: that one did and it could have been huge. One
Speaker 1: for five in the red zone also is just putred.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I assume the kneel down on the
Speaker 1: one counts for that. So really it's one of four
Speaker 1: yeah right, yeah, but still yeah, you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: percent in the red zones not beating a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: you know, And I know Jason gets gets tucked about
Speaker 1: with his management. You know, when you look at this game,
Speaker 1: I think anybody we've seen him so many times, anyone
Speaker 1: other than Drew Brees and Braby, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: I don't think they would have been throwing the ball
Speaker 1: like that, you know, to try to make sure and
Speaker 1: try to get a touchdown there. I think that we've
Speaker 1: seen before run the ball was run the ball, get
Speaker 1: that field goal, go up by six. But I mean
Speaker 1: it was pretty adamant, Like even as great as the
Speaker 1: defense played, I don't think that even Jason Garrett, they
Speaker 1: didn't want Drew Brees to have the football again. So
Speaker 1: that's why he was even throwing it. I mean, didn't
Speaker 1: already give it up six sacks. I didn't like those
Speaker 1: calls down there like that. I mean because the way
Speaker 1: Zeke had already been running on that drive, you know,
Speaker 1: being patient and then popping out, he could have maybe
Speaker 1: gotten a first down. So I didn't like putting the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands there. But you could tell just
Speaker 1: the thought that they had about not one and Drew
Speaker 1: Brees to get that ball again. I actually and I
Speaker 1: didn't mind the calls at all. I think I tweeted
Speaker 1: from the sideline, I was like, one of these needs
Speaker 1: to be a run because you want the Saints to
Speaker 1: either burn their time out or burn some clock. But
Speaker 1: then I think you need to throw the ball and
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance to go up two scores here,
Speaker 1: because again, you know, again, that's what makes it so amazing,
Speaker 1: is that's the way the NFL works. If you don't
Speaker 1: cash in on that opportunity, when you're playing a quarterback
Speaker 1: like that, eight out of ten times you're getting beat.
Speaker 1: Like that's it's such a quarterback friendly league. These guys
Speaker 1: are so good, and that's I was like, it's deja vu,
Speaker 1: like we're just we're gonna threw Brees is gonna beat
Speaker 1: him at the buzzer and the fact that he didn't
Speaker 1: in spite of that, I just I can't say enough
Speaker 1: about how the defense got them out of that situation.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about two to go. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's a perfect time to throw the
Speaker 1: same throughout a timeouse but you got the two minute warning.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect time to throw that ball, and
Speaker 1: he threw it out of the you know, out of bounce.
Speaker 1: But it was interference, and that really won the game.
Speaker 1: With Mark Cooper getting that past interference call I never got.
Speaker 1: I assume it was a good call. I didn't even
Speaker 1: see it. I haven't seen it either, but I just
Speaker 1: I thought it was fitting way for that game to
Speaker 1: end that you know, it's a flag that kind of
Speaker 1: settles it, which, like I said, I assume it was
Speaker 1: a good call, but I didn't get a good look
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of flags in that game. Well,
Speaker 1: clearly the Cowboys are still struggling to score more than
Speaker 1: six points at a time and still settling for certain
Speaker 1: field goals. Now, with the way that the defense played,
Speaker 1: are you feeling comfortable with the Cowboys just making it
Speaker 1: by the way they play last night or not last night?
Speaker 1: Because I was really special the way the defense played,
Speaker 1: but just having them being carried by their defense instead
Speaker 1: of now relying on the running game and what the
Speaker 1: old line can do. I think I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with Nick. I think that was a bit of an
Speaker 1: admiration from of the with the offense. From the standpoint
Speaker 1: that I think that defense they played last night is
Speaker 1: really good. Um, you look at they've been holding teams
Speaker 1: to They've held Eagles to seven points. The game before that,
Speaker 1: who the hell to a score twenty huh the Eagles
Speaker 1: scored twins. I think about wait, no, no, he's talking
Speaker 1: about the Saints. I'm sorry, So I'm sorry. And the
Speaker 1: game before that, they held somebody to a low score
Speaker 1: account as well the Beals. Yeah so, but the point is,
Speaker 1: like this defense over the last couple of weeks, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Cowboys being somewhat of a
Speaker 1: different team. Their defense has been playing really really well
Speaker 1: lately and been holding teams to really low number of points.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't shock me that the Cowboys offense had
Speaker 1: the kind of problems they did. I don't expect now
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys go next Sunday and they play the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, whose secondary is completely just just beat up,
Speaker 1: and they still can't score more than thirteen points, now,
Speaker 1: I think there's a problem. But what we've seen in
Speaker 1: these last few weeks since they've added them right Cooper,
Speaker 1: is this offense actually can score a good number of points.
Speaker 1: They've been in the upper twenties. So I think when
Speaker 1: you combine that with the defense, I think what we're
Speaker 1: starting to see now is what a team really should be,
Speaker 1: which is it will be some weeks when the offense
Speaker 1: doesn't have it and the defense is gonna have to
Speaker 1: play out of its mind. They'll the other weeks when
Speaker 1: the offense play is really good and the defense can
Speaker 1: just manage the game. And if they can just play
Speaker 1: well like they do most of the time, that'll be
Speaker 1: sufficient for them to win. That's a good team. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna win a lot of games asking
Speaker 1: your defense to do that on a regular basis, but
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the ultimate team game, right And even
Speaker 1: with that thirteen spot during this four game winning streak,
Speaker 1: they're averaging twenty three points per game, which isn't great,
Speaker 1: but when your defense is good, it's enough. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean twenty seven against Philly, twenty two against Atlanta,
Speaker 1: thirty one against Washington. You can absolutely when you're giving
Speaker 1: up The defense is averaging giving up eight eighteen six
Speaker 1: on the season, so you just scoring twenty three and
Speaker 1: you're giving up eighteen, which yes, work out. They can't
Speaker 1: make it a habit of being as lackluster on offense
Speaker 1: as they were last night, but it's so encouraging. That's
Speaker 1: That's what's so amazing is thirteen points gets you beat
Speaker 1: in the NFL more often than not. And it didn't.
Speaker 1: And then this wasn't ten to six against the crappy
Speaker 1: Bucks in twenty fifteen. This was the Saints, which it's
Speaker 1: amazing different. I mean, you look at the four game
Speaker 1: winning streak, and as great as that sounds, and it
Speaker 1: has been very good for this team, but you know,
Speaker 1: they they've won by a total of twenty one points.
Speaker 1: You know, and you look at the Saints that had
Speaker 1: won a game by forty one against the Eagles and
Speaker 1: thirty eight and all that, So there's the margin. Fair
Speaker 1: was very slim. That's okay, that's okay if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're gonna win the game, so as you're winning.
Speaker 1: As long as you're winning. These fans right here that
Speaker 1: are walking through this tour, they don't care. They don't
Speaker 1: care if it was thirteen to ten or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: a win. Maybe I'm you know, I'm maybe I'm too
Speaker 1: close to it, but I've watched a ton of football
Speaker 1: pro and co. That's the most riveting game with twenty
Speaker 1: three combined points that I've ever seen. Like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like a low scoring game to me.
Speaker 1: I can appreciate defensive football, but like you know that
Speaker 1: overly defensive football usually is like watching paint dry. And
Speaker 1: that was I was riveted. You want to know why
Speaker 1: why I think that is for last night's game is
Speaker 1: because and I have a friend of mine came into
Speaker 1: town and she went to the game with my wife,
Speaker 1: and we were talking last night when I got in
Speaker 1: and she was like, I just I just kept assuming, Okay,
Speaker 1: well here's where the Saints they're gonna take off. And
Speaker 1: so I think the whole is probably like, well, eventually, yeah,
Speaker 1: eventually it's the Saint and that and that started to
Speaker 1: play out, like in the third quarter, they go down,
Speaker 1: they get a field goal, they you know, a long
Speaker 1: touchdown right down the numbers, you know, and maybe you
Speaker 1: go maybe it was a push off, but they score
Speaker 1: from thirty yards out and it's like, yep, here they come,
Speaker 1: here we go. Offense didn't do enough, I mean, which
Speaker 1: fans love to do this. But throughout the night, like
Speaker 1: starting in the second quarter, people are like, that's ball
Speaker 1: game because you know, the Saints are gonna get on
Speaker 1: their role. It's over. The Cowboys are gonna lose their
Speaker 1: up thirteen nothing, It's like, that's a game over, you know,
Speaker 1: I do the five players, don't forget about I thought
Speaker 1: the biggest play of the game to me, and it
Speaker 1: was in that group was an eight yards sacked by
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown because they had just had that penalty of
Speaker 1: Gregory being off sides and they were gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball at the thirty five. Finally got the turnover they've
Speaker 1: been waiting for and switching the momentum back and then
Speaker 1: the off sides and then first down, so it's not
Speaker 1: the first down midfield are about to get in field
Speaker 1: goal range and eight yards sack off the edge. Great
Speaker 1: call by Marionelli in the defense to get that, and
Speaker 1: then then they never even got they had to punt.
Speaker 1: And then that punt that was one inch over the line.
Speaker 1: That was a huge play too, because if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were on the one inch line, they're not driving it y,
Speaker 1: They're not doing that and taking off eight minutes the
Speaker 1: way they did. So I thought that those two plays
Speaker 1: in a row, that sack and then that punt, it's
Speaker 1: great call. Yeah, those were huge, huge play. Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row has had a sack and
Speaker 1: he's making some really big plays. Sucks for Tyrone because
Speaker 1: he's he's having the best season of his career, but
Speaker 1: I feel like he hasn't gotten to have a moment,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, well, I mean, I know he's got
Speaker 1: like five sacks, but like he hasn't had a moment,
Speaker 1: and that would have been a big moment. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: he had the sack or he didn't have. No, I'm
Speaker 1: saying the recovery on he recovered the fumble. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: d law sack on the off side call, Yeah, ty
Speaker 1: like it squirted out behind and I know I I
Speaker 1: just walked off. I saw it, got frustrated and just
Speaker 1: got up and left, like I didn't know if he
Speaker 1: had to go to restaurom. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: what I did him thinking. I didn't walk off and
Speaker 1: I saw and I saw Amber actually coming out of
Speaker 1: the restaurant. You didn't even see that play that we're
Speaker 1: talking about with Gregory. He seen the highlights or something.
Speaker 1: When I was walking back to my seat, I heard it.
Speaker 1: I just heard the call, but I I didn't know
Speaker 1: how significant it was because it wasn't just a fumble.
Speaker 1: The ball got kicked like that. Yeah, and that's how
Speaker 1: Tyrone eventually wound up with it. Randy's Randy's pinky finger
Speaker 1: nail was on the in the neutral zone. I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, that's how much the Saints guys
Speaker 1: Yale was on that, Yeah, you know, and that's about
Speaker 1: how close Samar was or recovering his own fumble. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was laying on top of it. It didn't know where.
Speaker 1: It was like we did an episode of cover for
Speaker 1: this morning and I point I was like, you tell
Speaker 1: me that Amari Cooper loses a fumble on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: side of the field in a game where the Cowboys
Speaker 1: only scored thirteen points against the Saints. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so they lost and Amari Cooper's the goat and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about this all week, and like I
Speaker 1: forgot it happened. Hey, we haven't mentioned him yet. But
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop to start the game, I mean I thought
Speaker 1: he was about to have one of those nights and
Speaker 1: then it was just kind of like with the rest
Speaker 1: of the offense, he should have had one of those nights.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and if he had that touchdown, that would
Speaker 1: have been the capra on that case. He's still that
Speaker 1: was the best game of his career. It's it was
Speaker 1: quiet because he stopped catching the ball after the first quarter.
Speaker 1: But what he had seventy three right, three catches, four catches.
Speaker 1: It's five catches on seven targets for seventy six yards,
Speaker 1: and it's good night. If Dak hits him on that one,
Speaker 1: then it's six catches for like what one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty something and a touchdown. He's given him a deep threat.
Speaker 1: You gotta love the youth and where they have the
Speaker 1: youth on this team, Like think about him and Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: I mean you can just you can go through the
Speaker 1: team and look at guys like they got these just
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like they're building. I guess they are,
Speaker 1: but it's they're building this young nucleus and you got
Speaker 1: these two linebackers, and you got these two cornerbacks, really
Speaker 1: three cornerbacks, and you got really four cornerbacks. I mean
Speaker 1: they got It's just like they are building something here
Speaker 1: that could be really good. And that's the rough thing
Speaker 1: about that is the NFL changes on a dime, So
Speaker 1: what you think right now can change drastically next year
Speaker 1: and the year after. But they certainly are building something
Speaker 1: that makes you feel really good about where they are.
Speaker 1: Jerry said it last night. He's like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is one of, if not the youngest roster in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and you're seeing these guys grow and develop as the
Speaker 1: season goes along, and you know, for all the bumps
Speaker 1: and ruses they've taken along the way. They don't develop
Speaker 1: like that without playing, you know, think you know, the
Speaker 1: mistakes they made against Houston Seattle comes to mind, you know,
Speaker 1: broken plays against them, and you know that's that's definitely
Speaker 1: on me, Like I and again going back to my
Speaker 1: point about not knowing what this team was like it.
Speaker 1: You know, football teams are like living evolving things, and
Speaker 1: it's easy to fall into the trap of like the
Speaker 1: team in September is going to be the team in December,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's when the Cowboys have been good.
Speaker 1: In the time that I've been here, They've been good
Speaker 1: right at the outset, like from the very beginning, like
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about that, and there's some
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows, but you know, they're good. And so
Speaker 1: it's weird and cool to see this team evolving into
Speaker 1: a good team as the season goes along, because they
Speaker 1: were not a good team even as recently as November fifth.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this, I mean, this game reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of that. We talked about the O nine game
Speaker 1: with the with the Saints, how great they were, they
Speaker 1: had won thirteen in a row. The couples were able
Speaker 1: to beat them, but that season is starting to shape
Speaker 1: up a little bit the same. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: middle of the pack early in the year. And then,
Speaker 1: of course I told you that earlier. You know, they
Speaker 1: got a emergence from a wide receiver who wore number
Speaker 1: nineteen that really kind of propelled them to another level.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what what's happening with this team
Speaker 1: and the guy named DeMarcus that that kind of put
Speaker 1: them on in their back as well. So, um, that
Speaker 1: was an eleven and five finish. They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: win four more in a road to get to that,
Speaker 1: which is doable. Right now, They're not going to be
Speaker 1: underdogs in any game, right I would get on the
Speaker 1: road maybe, yeah, that'll they'll be right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: coming off of that game. I'm not saying you can't
Speaker 1: say they will, but they should. They shouldn't finish any
Speaker 1: worse than based on the way they played, because they
Speaker 1: also had a rough patch earlier and then they got
Speaker 1: on a roll. And I think they're one of the
Speaker 1: teams has a nice streak going as well. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but I think they're very similar. So on the road
Speaker 1: they might be they might be underdogs by three maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, other than that, this is a very doable
Speaker 1: schedule down the stretch. I mean ten and six will
Speaker 1: win the division. I think nine and seven still will
Speaker 1: win the division, but the seven wins shoot for that.
Speaker 1: I think nine and seven wins in the division. If
Speaker 1: if the two wins are Philadelphia and the Giants, I
Speaker 1: think that will win the division. But ten and six
Speaker 1: will will will win the division, and especially if you
Speaker 1: beat the Eagles. Yeah, you know, it's it's like every week,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, this is this is the biggest game.
Speaker 1: Think about that, though, if you go back a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, before you got to the Tennessee game, or
Speaker 1: right after the Tennessee game, you look at this schedule
Speaker 1: and you said, Okay, this is the meat of their schedule.
Speaker 1: This is these next what five games, they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: be playing really really good teams. And you at the
Speaker 1: best case scenario, maybe they go three and two and
Speaker 1: they have managed to reel off four in a row
Speaker 1: and now heading down a stretch against a Philly team
Speaker 1: that isn't as good as you thought maybe they would
Speaker 1: be at that point. So again, things change in the NFL.
Speaker 1: NFL in a dime but this team is certainly looking
Speaker 1: up from where we thought they were four weeks ago,
Speaker 1: just a month ago. You just can't get rid of them.
Speaker 1: You can, I mean, I mean them him, I mean
Speaker 1: like every time we'll talk about it, don't get Amber started. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: tend we as fans tend to really really criticize the
Speaker 1: play calling and the coaching when you lose a game.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, I just wanted to get your
Speaker 1: overall thoughts on how the game was managed and the
Speaker 1: play calling of these coaches throughout this game. I want
Speaker 1: to get your opinions because you ended the last Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go fight. You give us your opinions first, and
Speaker 1: then we'll jump in and drop that. That's the second part. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go. I mean, what was the plan going into
Speaker 1: the game. The plan was to keep Drew Brees off
Speaker 1: the field. They won the time of possession thirty six
Speaker 1: fifty three to twenty three oh seven with a with
Speaker 1: a running game that was not clicking on all cylinders,
Speaker 1: so and getting sacked a bunch. They kept it simple
Speaker 1: for Daky eight. A lot of it was short throws.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, they stayed on the field. They didn't
Speaker 1: cash in all the times with points. But I thought
Speaker 1: they managed the game great. They were able to do
Speaker 1: that final drive in seven or eight minutes, and you
Speaker 1: you even said that, You're like, let's just get a
Speaker 1: drive here and win the game. I mean, they didn't
Speaker 1: really win the game, but they certainly, you know, it
Speaker 1: took a lot of time off that. So I think
Speaker 1: you have to give the Cowboys credit, their coaching staff
Speaker 1: credit for the game plan, both on offense and on defense.
Speaker 1: I think defense was the key, because if you notice,
Speaker 1: they had some wrinkles for him last night. One of
Speaker 1: the things I noticed was, and you guys probably noticed
Speaker 1: as well, when they get into situations where it was
Speaker 1: third down and long, they went to dime and they
Speaker 1: don't do that very often. They took that second linebacker
Speaker 1: off which field, the Vanderesh right, which at first, Nick,
Speaker 1: I think it was you that was saying, like, I
Speaker 1: don't like Vanderesh coming off the field, But it worked
Speaker 1: out really well, and because what they were doing was
Speaker 1: if you notice, there were a few times they had
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis manned up on Kamara. Kamara is a receiver.
Speaker 1: Every time it was third and longch right, he is
Speaker 1: a receiver. Put a cornerback on him. You have a
Speaker 1: better chance of stopping him than a linebacker. And that's
Speaker 1: nothing against vanderish or or or or any linebacker for
Speaker 1: that matter, but a cornerback is going to be better
Speaker 1: at that. And so to me, that was just all
Speaker 1: about coming into a game saying, we feel like we
Speaker 1: can get a good match up here to stop them
Speaker 1: by doing this, and it's something we don't normally do,
Speaker 1: and they did it, and they did it effectively. Gotta
Speaker 1: give coaches credit for that. I mean, obviously, the defensive
Speaker 1: game plan was amazing. You know, Jerry Jones said it
Speaker 1: after the game too, is but you guys do realized
Speaker 1: us that wasn't the direction I was going to. I
Speaker 1: wasn't talking about the defense. That's exactly that's the one
Speaker 1: here from you. But ahead, we're getting it. We're getting like,
Speaker 1: calm down. We got to twelve minutes, pretty calm. You
Speaker 1: don't seem calm um the first Okay, Jerry Jones said
Speaker 1: after the game, you gotta give Jason credit for a
Speaker 1: win like that, because you know he would be getting
Speaker 1: roasted after a loss. I think those are wise words. Um,
Speaker 1: give them all credit for their game plan. It worked out.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't expect to have to lean on their
Speaker 1: defense as much as they did. I don't I mean
Speaker 1: the red the red zone play calling, I just hate it,
Speaker 1: which I don't. I feel bad offering criticism because I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what I would have done. Differently because again,
Speaker 1: you know, me and Nick said at the top of
Speaker 1: the show that run defense is legit, like they deserve
Speaker 1: all the credit in the world. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that just banging away against that front with Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: would have worked out any better. But two red zone
Speaker 1: possessions ended with Dak Prescott being sacked. And that's in
Speaker 1: a game where you know that the left side of
Speaker 1: your line is not healthy slash starting a backup tackle, etc.
Speaker 1: I don't I would have liked to see different play
Speaker 1: calling there, but to get you know, running it up
Speaker 1: the gut probably wouldn't have worked either, So I hesitate
Speaker 1: to absolutely kill them. But again, one for four in
Speaker 1: the crucial red zone moments of the game's just not
Speaker 1: going to do it. It's just not Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. You know that they at least gave the
Speaker 1: ball to Zeke on first down from the seven and
Speaker 1: he went wide, but then try to cut it back
Speaker 1: inside and then and then they threw twice in a
Speaker 1: row and he should have got sacked on second down,
Speaker 1: and he made a nice play to get out of that.
Speaker 1: Then on third down he did get sacked. This was
Speaker 1: early in the game. That was the first Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first field goal drive to to my point,
Speaker 1: to the Saints credit, Zeke bounced that run right off
Speaker 1: left tackle, and for a half second it looked like
Speaker 1: he was going to walk into the end zone, and
Speaker 1: the Saints just absolutely rallied and shut a good defense
Speaker 1: and defense there. I thought he should have stayed wide
Speaker 1: and and I think he thought the best way to
Speaker 1: score a touchdown was to cut back and break a tackle.
Speaker 1: But I think if he would have stayed wide, he
Speaker 1: could have gotten two or three more yards, which could
Speaker 1: have changed the play calling there. But you know, it
Speaker 1: was it's tough to score down there, and and they
Speaker 1: don't just bully people off the ball anymore. That's not
Speaker 1: what their offensive line is. So it's getting tougher and
Speaker 1: tougher to score when you're at that at that point
Speaker 1: in the game. And you know, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: be kind of conservative as well, but you know, when
Speaker 1: you have a defense like that, you know you don't
Speaker 1: want you don't want to fill an interception like he
Speaker 1: did in Tennessee. I hesitate to criticize them in this instance,
Speaker 1: but Scott Linahan actually talked about this on Thursday. He's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't just run it three straight times because we
Speaker 1: know that's what the defense thinks we're gonna do, you know,
Speaker 1: And like there's like it feels like there's an element
Speaker 1: of they outthink themselves when they get down there. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't just run the ball. Just because they think
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it didn't mean that we can't run
Speaker 1: the ball. And you know, Beasley dropped the touchdown in
Speaker 1: the red zone and Noah Brown was there, so again
Speaker 1: like I can't just kill him. But the red zone
Speaker 1: offense is just not good enough that something play calling
Speaker 1: is part of that, and it's gonna be the stats
Speaker 1: are gonna be kind of skewed again because they've got
Speaker 1: down to the four yard line and then or one
Speaker 1: yard line and then they kneeled it. So I was like,
Speaker 1: if it's like that's the college football fan in me,
Speaker 1: I was like, just run it in and just just
Speaker 1: get the kind of style. The style points and while
Speaker 1: it helps your red zone, I mean, two out of
Speaker 1: two out of five is better than one out of five.
Speaker 1: But the only way to fall way to lose the
Speaker 1: game is to do that then and then the Saints
Speaker 1: will drive down that score on site really gonna get blessed.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be I shouldn't be a football coach because
Speaker 1: I'm like, just do it. Twenty to ten looks way better.
Speaker 1: Come on. Yeah, all right, Well, before we started talking
Speaker 1: about Jason Garrett specifically, I wanted to make a quick
Speaker 1: clarification last show when I made that job at the
Speaker 1: end of the show, I was specifically talking about Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore and Dak needing a new coach that has and
Speaker 1: no offense to Kellen Moore. I think he's a great guy,
Speaker 1: very smart guy, but he just needs as far as Dak,
Speaker 1: he just needs a better quarterback coach, someone with more experience,
Speaker 1: experience on the field, that has been successful at doing
Speaker 1: that kind of job and be able to do. Okay
Speaker 1: that being said, and I think we all agree on that.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about that before. Like I think
Speaker 1: we all kind of agree on that. Thank you that
Speaker 1: you know, going through my calms last night. A lot
Speaker 1: of fans as of right now have very mixed feelings because, yes,
Speaker 1: on one hand, they're very much enjoying this win and
Speaker 1: four winning games. Now, on the other hand, what does
Speaker 1: that mean for Jason Garrett? A lot of people want
Speaker 1: him out of the picture, want to move on from him,
Speaker 1: although they still want to see game wins. But as
Speaker 1: of right now, how are things How would you project
Speaker 1: that this is lining up for Garrett? This is what
Speaker 1: so sorry, go ahead, No, this is exactly you know,
Speaker 1: people think that we are like mouthpieces or homers when
Speaker 1: we say save that for after the season. This is
Speaker 1: exactly why. Like, that's exactly why you play this thing out.
Speaker 1: Nobody could have seen where this would have been five
Speaker 1: weeks ago. And for that matter, if you want to
Speaker 1: handle both sides of the coin. We just talked about
Speaker 1: this during the break, that's gonna ratchet right back up.
Speaker 1: If they fall off, you're seven and five. Now this
Speaker 1: is a much better team. But I have vivid memories
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. The Cowboys were seven and five coming
Speaker 1: off Thanksgiving. They had it all in front of them.
Speaker 1: They get blasted two weeks in a row. They lose
Speaker 1: to the Bears, they give up a twenty point lead
Speaker 1: to the Packers, and all of a sudden they're right
Speaker 1: back where they were. So things change on a dime
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if they're seven and seven in
Speaker 1: two weeks and I mean, if they don't make sorry,
Speaker 1: if they don't make the playoffs, now, that's a horrible
Speaker 1: look for Jason Garrett and we will be right back
Speaker 1: where we were. So it was too early to talk
Speaker 1: about firing him when he was three and five. It's
Speaker 1: too early to talk about whether he will be the
Speaker 1: long term coach here when he's seven and five. There's
Speaker 1: a month left of the season to play football. It's
Speaker 1: almost as if you should wait and gather as much
Speaker 1: data as possible before you try to spout off hot time.
Speaker 1: There's a mark that, as of right now, you would
Speaker 1: start saying, Okay, well, if they do make it to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, okay, maybe he stays, but if maybe they
Speaker 1: lose this way, then he goes. So what is what
Speaker 1: would you say, is that mark that line that would
Speaker 1: that final decision, or that you would think, like Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones would make that final decision to let him go
Speaker 1: or you stay either way? Right? I think Dave's right
Speaker 1: on this one. I mean, you can say all you
Speaker 1: want to about how how great things are, but how
Speaker 1: does it end? How does this story end? Um? What
Speaker 1: if they win every single game from here on out
Speaker 1: and they're eleven and five and they're the third set
Speaker 1: and they lose the first game at home. That's not
Speaker 1: good to a lower CE team. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: would be to the sixth seed, to the worst team
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, But who, by the way, probably
Speaker 1: already beat the daunced this season. Yeah, Carolina or Minnesota
Speaker 1: could be sitting there too, And what about that, you know,
Speaker 1: Green Bay. Maybe I don't know if he gets it going.
Speaker 1: But but again, I think Dave's right on this one.
Speaker 1: You have to wait and see how how it plays out.
Speaker 1: What if you do win, I mean, you win a
Speaker 1: game and then you go to New Orleans or LA
Speaker 1: and have to play and maybe it's ugly this time around.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just you have to wait and see
Speaker 1: how this thing ends. But one thing I've never understood
Speaker 1: about a fan, and I'm a fan as well. I've
Speaker 1: got a college team that I root for. I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: I get it. I've never wanted my team to lose
Speaker 1: to so I could change the coach. If the coach
Speaker 1: is good enough to win games, then then I want him.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's see what reality is. But I
Speaker 1: know fans just think, well, we're only gonna be just
Speaker 1: middle of the pack with this guy. And you know,
Speaker 1: but I've I've never wanted to like lose game. You
Speaker 1: said there's mixed results. How could there be? I don't
Speaker 1: understand there could be mixed results a feelings because again, okay,
Speaker 1: you've seen how long Jason Garrett has been here for.
Speaker 1: You've seen what he's done so far. So he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you get into this habit of oh, yeah, maybe we're
Speaker 1: losing this game, but then you get hyped we win
Speaker 1: this game. Yes, maybe we're in. We're in Okay, yes
Speaker 1: we're going forward disappointment again. So yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Three and five football team that got embarrassed on Monday
Speaker 1: night football. And they got two games in a road
Speaker 1: against playoff teams on the road, Philadelphia in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: he gets them ready to go out there and play.
Speaker 1: And actually they dominated that Philadelphia game, even though the
Speaker 1: score didn't look like it. They were the better football team.
Speaker 1: They were the better football team against the Falcons. They're
Speaker 1: way better against the Redskins, and they were better team
Speaker 1: last night. If this guy doesn't deserve a little bit
Speaker 1: of credit for saying, we're gonna keep doing it like this,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get these guys ready to play. I mean,
Speaker 1: like him or not, that is an impressive feat for
Speaker 1: the coach. I've said it more times than I can count,
Speaker 1: and people roll their eyes at me, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of Jason Garrett has a lot of deficiencies. I
Speaker 1: do not think he's a great game day exes and
Speaker 1: o's management. I mean, he has his moments. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's amazing at it. He's robotic. I don't enjoy
Speaker 1: his press conferences very much. But he gets these guys
Speaker 1: to play for him and has the entire time, And
Speaker 1: that's why it was so weird when they lost two
Speaker 1: games in a row, you know, a month ago. They
Speaker 1: don't do that under him. And I can hear people
Speaker 1: right now just like you wind up eight Nate, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: but a Nate's the hell of a lot better than
Speaker 1: one and seven and some other results you've seen around here.
Speaker 1: So I get it. Like I said, he ain't perfect,
Speaker 1: but if he can rally them to do that against
Speaker 1: the Saints, he is not a bad football coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of similar of kind of what's happening
Speaker 1: with Dak right now that you really really value the
Speaker 1: things off the field, the things that they are able
Speaker 1: to do as far as a leader, and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: technically they're not perfect, but at the same time, they
Speaker 1: keep everyone on the same team and keep everyone going
Speaker 1: and de fight to see the way that, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the whole team, how they back up Mark no Jason,
Speaker 1: I forgot his name for a second. How could I
Speaker 1: But the fact that you see them being all in
Speaker 1: and that they don't get beat down or feel down,
Speaker 1: or that the energy starts changing as they start losing game.
Speaker 1: That's a key thing. And I started seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of comments before this as okay, maybe the defense starting
Speaker 1: to give up on their offense, the fact that they're
Speaker 1: not really helping them out, And I think it's really
Speaker 1: been the opposite. They've been bringing the offense back up
Speaker 1: and elevating the whole energy of the game. So say
Speaker 1: what you want about about like they've said about his
Speaker 1: game management and those kinds of things. I think there's
Speaker 1: plenty of evidence there that suggests that people have reasons
Speaker 1: to have a quarrel with him about some of those things.
Speaker 1: But I have not seen a guy that motivates men
Speaker 1: as well as he has in a long time. There
Speaker 1: are only a few coaches I think that are as
Speaker 1: good at motivating men as he is. And that's me
Speaker 1: because I get to see and you guys too, you've
Speaker 1: seen it as well. We get to sometimes see behind
Speaker 1: the curtain and see some of the speeches that he
Speaker 1: gives to this team and some of the things he
Speaker 1: says to them, and see how they take those things.
Speaker 1: And if you start noticing, you start hearing these patterns.
Speaker 1: Things he's saying to them is the same things that
Speaker 1: they're saying to the media. That means they're not rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes. That means they're not dismissing what he says.
Speaker 1: They're actually taking it in and they're actually buying in.
Speaker 1: And so I really believe from standpoint of motivation, he's
Speaker 1: a very very very good coaches. It's the other things
Speaker 1: that seem to be maybe the reason why his record
Speaker 1: just hasn't reflected him being a great coach. Motivation is
Speaker 1: not the issue in a league with this much parody.
Speaker 1: Go take the last five years and look around, look
Speaker 1: at every team in the league. I guarantee you all
Speaker 1: of them get their asses absolutely kicked a couple of
Speaker 1: times this season. I mean the New England Patriots got
Speaker 1: their asses absolutely handed to them by the Titans two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Detroit did a number on them as well.
Speaker 1: In Jason Garrett's entire tenure here, that's maybe happened like
Speaker 1: three times. That to me, more than anything, is just him.
Speaker 1: Like like I said, it's a recipe for eight and eight.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. But they are always competitive,
Speaker 1: they always play hard for him, and that is impressive
Speaker 1: to me. But we had a speech the other night
Speaker 1: as well. I mean that players aren't talking about did
Speaker 1: not want to talk to They're not talking specifically, but
Speaker 1: it's going. It was going around that that that was
Speaker 1: a really big, you know point when when they were like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we're going out, we're gonna play hard,
Speaker 1: We're gonna win this game. Not not that that they
Speaker 1: need that, but you know, it's hard to keep doing
Speaker 1: different messages every every time. So I think that something
Speaker 1: was said Wednesday night and that there is something to
Speaker 1: be said. I think for you know, you say they're
Speaker 1: professionals and they should always be up, and I get that,
Speaker 1: and that's true, but there is something too. Whenever you're
Speaker 1: doing any kind of competition, someone being able to remind
Speaker 1: you and put things into your head that in those
Speaker 1: tough moments of the game can kind of play back
Speaker 1: in your head and it reminds you of what your
Speaker 1: purpose is. Right, So those things matter. I don't think
Speaker 1: that that you can say that it doesn't matter that
Speaker 1: when when when a coach has a has a speech
Speaker 1: to this team, and and whether he's whether he's really
Speaker 1: motivating them or not, like that matters. It makes a
Speaker 1: difference that sometimes when I hear him, I'm like, give
Speaker 1: me some paths. I'm ready, throw me on the get
Speaker 1: me on the field, get killed, murder on the field.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, that is all the time we have
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