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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. Of course, I am live here in Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Matt back in Pittsburgh, and we're joined on the Justin

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Speaker 2: Miller Hotline now by one Jerry Duleca, the Pittsburgh Post

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Speaker 2: Gazette and the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, jer, Yeah, I'm fine. Boy. You sound

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Speaker 3: so clear, so good, like you're right here in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just shouting really loudly. That's what so jered.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be. Yeah, I couldn't be at the Art

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Speaker 2: and but what a joy that was. But there were

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Speaker 2: some there was some newsworthy stuff that came out of

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Speaker 2: Arts press conference today, and most notably talking about the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dal I would agree. I mean, you know, not

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Speaker 3: surprising that he threw his full support behind Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: You know, he wanted to have given him a three year,

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Speaker 3: He said, you don't win as many games as Mike

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Speaker 3: And but yeah, I found the most interesting stuff to

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Speaker 3: expect both. He said, unlikely both will be back. And

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Speaker 3: And look, it's not for me to agree or disagree.

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Speaker 3: I look at some teams. I don't think Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 3: I found that just just as interesting. I think. So,

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Speaker 3: find another athletic mobile quarterback. Good lord, I hope it's

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they're figuring it out in this regard

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Speaker 3: Matt that okay, do you agree with my thought process? Look,

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, for the most part, it's his team and

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Speaker 3: And I don't know this for certain, but knowing his

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Speaker 3: he's not afraid to move. Yeah, he's not.

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Speaker 3: Right right, He's yeah, he's not a water buffalo. He's not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Dale, I'd be shock might

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Speaker 4: seems too early to be the first lineman, and it

432
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 4: seems too early to take the first receiver.

433
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: At five, the Jaguars take Mason Graham, the defensive tackle

434
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: out of Michigan.

435
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: That would make all the sense in the world. I

436
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 4: get that.

437
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: At six, the Raiders then take Shador Sanders, quarterback out

438
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: of Colorado.

439
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: I can't see him falling much further than that. I mean,

440
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 4: the top of this draft now loaded with yeah blue Chippers.

441
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, No, I agree. At seven, the Jets take

442
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren, the tight end from Penn State.

443
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: Wow, clearly the earliest I've seen him go. But man,

444
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 4: he should send me too, and he should send brock

445
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: Bauers a fruit basket too if he goes seven. Overall,

446
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: that's the thing.

447
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: You know. Again, We've talked about this a lot, and

448
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 2: when we mock mocked him to the Steelers, I'm like,

449
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: you can't view him as just a tight end. You

450
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: just have to view him as a pass catcher. Brock

451
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Bowers doesn't block anybody. He just catches passes.

452
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 4: And I'm sure, I mean, there's still a lot of

453
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: old school dudes in charge of teams.

454
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: You know.

455
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: I'm not taking a tight end to the top ten. No, way,

456
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: can't do it. Not gonna do it, Okay, And then

457
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw the.

458
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: Ball one hundred and sixty times, and yeah, I'll take

459
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: a tight end.

460
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: You know, right, And that's what I say, Like Kyle

461
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: Pitts and you know, goes early and then I bet,

462
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 4: I bet that hurt brock Bowers case. You know, Bowers

463
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: lasted a little longer than I expected. And then you

464
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: get Bowers at a discount and you're like, I'm gonna

465
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 4: take the next one. I'll take him to the top ten.

466
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: But here's like Bowers to Meebers and war and are

467
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: different athletes than Kyle Pitts.

468
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: You're not.

469
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: You're not scheming things up to have him run in

470
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: motion behind the line of scrimmage and throwing him bubble

471
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: screens and stuff like that. He's it down the field

472
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: right right. These guys are not handing them the bat right.

473
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren has a lot of carries at Penn State.

474
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 4: You know a yeah, yep, I mean race if it's

475
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 4: a straight line, he wins a race. And he's taller

476
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: and he looks better, but he's not a crafty No.

477
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: At eight the Carolina Panthers and take tedor Roa McMillan,

478
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Arizona.

479
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 4: Okay, that'd be a pretty enticing group of skill guys,

480
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: you know, with Cuba and Brooks and Legett and uh

481
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: cocher and McMillan's your one and Okay, I mean I

482
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: would think this is defense, but I would never object

483
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: to helping Bryce Young further, you know. Yeah.

484
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. At nine, the New Orleans Saints take Mike Williams

485
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: Georgia ed ed Rusher. Mm hmm.

486
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 4: That's someone kiper had high I mentioned when I listened

487
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 4: to his podcast Mels. He said Williams is going to

488
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: go higher than people think, and it sure sounds like

489
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: dj or.

490
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: At ten, the Bears take Alabama guard Tyler Booker. That

491
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: could be two guards in a top ten.

492
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not usually how it goes, but it's certainly

493
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: an indictment on the tackle class of this group. I

494
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: definitely think the Bears should be in the market for

495
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: interior line help. Seems a little early to me, though.

496
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: I think that's a Day two thing, though, I really do.

497
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: I think some of those I think some of these

498
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: guys who project his guards are going to fall because

499
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: you catch a guard too. I know, you just can't

500
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: justify paying those guys that fifty year option right at

501
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: tackle prices. You just can't. At eleven, San Francisco takes

502
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: armand Membu the Missouri offensive lineman. Same thing, like the

503
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: same guy, Like he's gonna in four years when you're

504
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 2: picking up his the fifty year option. In these guys,

505
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: the fifty year option is going to be like twenty

506
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: nine million dollars. It's twenty five this year.

507
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, it's not going to go down. I mean,

508
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: think about how different this is than how last year's

509
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: first round went. You know, like Fa Tanu would have

510
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: been taking five picks ago, oh god, yeah, would have

511
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: been you know what I mean, those guys would be

512
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: top five piction in this draft exactly. They've been long gone.

513
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: All might have on first overall, you know, I mean,

514
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: like these guys are been long gone. I have taking

515
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 4: guards at twelve.

516
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: The Cowboys take Ashton genty running back at a Boise State.

517
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: It's possible. I mean, it seems like everyone if he

518
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: gets past Dallas, everyone mocks them to Denver. There's not

519
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: many landing spots. He's really good. And it could be

520
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: the Bijon argument too, that instead of taking a guard,

521
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: I'll take genty.

522
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah again, if if he were available at twenty one,

523
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: I would take him in a heartbeat. I think he's

524
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: he has a chance to be an elite back. At thirteen,

525
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins take Kelvin Banks, junior offensive tackle from Texas.

526
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: So there's our first true offensive tackle.

527
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that he is either, though I think

528
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: he might at least he at least he's gonna start

529
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: his career tackle. Yeah yeah, I mean more so of

530
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: these other dudes. His first snap will be a tackle

531
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: and see how it goes. Yeah yeah.

532
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: At fourteen, the Colts take John A. Barron cornerback from Texas.

533
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: He's really growing on me as well.

534
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: I would say, I haven't seen you in two or

535
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: three days, but I have a feeling, just from a

536
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 4: text or two that we've exchanged, that this guy is

537
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: quickly going up both of our lists.

538
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: And he has some Brian Branch to him, except he

539
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: can also play outside exactly.

540
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. If he is, then that's easy. But

541
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: if I mean, if he can do Branch plus outside, man,

542
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 4: I can find a spot for him every snap.

543
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, he's a starter right out of the gate.

544
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: In fifteen, the Falcons take Michigan cornerback Will Johnson, so

545
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Baron goes ahead of Johnson.

546
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: Don't know that I'm that high on Baron that i'd

547
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: take him ahead of Johnson for the Steelers. You know,

548
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of an outside corner. But what

549
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: if you love Trice or you signed j Reed or

550
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: somebody a quality outside corner that I'm definitely taking Baron Overgones.

551
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, then Barons, you're starting Nickel and a couple of

552
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: years from now, when the other guy's gone, he's your

553
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: other starter on the outside.

554
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: Possible.

555
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: At sixteen, the Arizona Cardinals Stadham Walker, linebacker from Georgia.

556
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: Seventeen of them. Yeah.

557
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: The Bengals at seventeen take Walter Nolan, defensive tackle from Mississippi.

558
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: I like it from their perspective, I mean, yeah, I mean,

559
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: this guy's got a lot of ability.

560
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they drafted it equals rather high, but not like

561
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: him they did. Yeah, but you can get a rotation

562
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: of those guys. At eighteen, the Seattle Seahawks take Kenneth Grant,

563
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: defensive tackle from Michigan. That would be a little surprise

564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: actually liter early.

565
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got I mean they went the tackle last

566
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: year too in the first round, and they've Leonard Williams.

567
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got minder Williams of Byron Murphy. Yeah, I don't.

568
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily fits in.

569
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: He's a little different than these guys, but so yeah, Yeah.

570
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: The Buccaneers at nineteen take Gi Hut Campbell linebacker from Alabama.

571
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: It's a huge need for them. I mean, I don't

572
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: know how high linebackers will go, but their linebacker situation

573
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: is a mess, and David is, you know, on his

574
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: last legs basically.

575
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: At twenty, the Denver Broncos take Nick em and Worry

576
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: the safety out of South Carolina.

577
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: That might seem but my hunch is, yeah, as I say,

578
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: I mean, by the time the combine finishes, we might

579
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: be like, oh, that guy's top twenty pick, no question.

580
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. When when he runs like a sub five four

581
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: or five forty at six three and twenty seven pounds

582
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: and looks good in you know, in drills, he's gonna

583
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna burst up that high.

584
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: Uh.

585
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: At twenty one, the Pittsburgh Steelers take Matthew Golden wide

586
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: receiver out of Texas. That's only the second wide receiver

587
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: taken if.

588
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: We don't count Hunter, which who knows, I mean, right,

589
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: but yes, you know, right, Yeah, that's ahead of Burden,

590
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: and as DJ says here, you know, it sounds like

591
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: you could have flipped a coin between those two, Golden

592
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: and Ekkaba.

593
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: I think I like Golden better. I think I think

594
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: EGBCA might just be a slot. Now he may change

595
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: my mind on that. You know, people said Justin Jefferson

596
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: was just a slut coming out. Well then he went

597
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: and ran like a four forty and everybody's well, maybe not,

598
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: and that has proven to be the case. But you know,

599
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: Golden just.

600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: I know Goldens that can be outside. I mean, I'm.

601
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's not you're not projecting a hunch.

602
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: They both can, yeah, but you're not projected. I think

603
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: he's a little bit more of a downfield threat too than.

604
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: He's also a very good route runner, just like Eggbe.

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know that.

606
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: I'd be fine missing anything.

607
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well, if you can get both, that'd

608
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: be awesome.

609
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: But well, happy, I guess is the word I should

610
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: have used.

611
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

612
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Twenty two the Chargers take Colston Loveland the Michigan tight end.

613
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: This might be an easy one. Yeah, we might see

614
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: this just so often in box now Michigan, need you

615
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: know obviously.

616
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three, the Packers take Shamar Stewart, the edge rusher,

617
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: out of Texas A and M.

618
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: He's he is a good point here. They take a

619
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: lot of too much a project for you.

620
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: What you say, Yeah, he's too much of a project

621
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: for me. I mean, where's the production at mm hmm

622
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: he's I get it.

623
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: He's big packer type though. Yeah, they knew, but I

624
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: don't want to as a lot I can also put

625
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: into line.

626
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: He could also bust out really really easily.

627
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

628
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: At twenty four, the Viking stake Malachi Starks, the Georgia safety.

629
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: That's about as low as I've seen him go.

630
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: Me too, and I bet Flores would love him. I mean,

631
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: corner is a bigger need. But they would ask stars

632
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 4: to do so many things there.

633
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty five, the Texans s take Luther Burden, the third,

634
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: the receiver out of Missouri.

635
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 4: Okay, so he goes ahead Acuba as well.

636
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty six, the Rams people might not they

637
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: definitely need a receiver, but Digs is up and Dell

638
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: was hurt again. Yeah, I don't know if Dell plays

639
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: football again. At twenty six, the Rams take Josh Connerley Junior,

640
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of Oregon.

641
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: See this dude and the Ohio State tackle or the

642
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: ones I think are going to rise because they're athletic.

643
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: I do too, Yeah, I do too. At twenty seven,

644
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the Ravens take Assii A. Thomas, the Florida

645
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: State cornerback, another six foot two cornerback.

646
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Clearly the highest that that's in him. I've seen him

647
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: as is the highest. Really high on him. Yeah, I

648
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 4: like him, I like the player.

649
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: At twenty eight, the Lions take Mike Green, the ed

650
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Speaker 2: rusher out of Marshall.

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00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: I like that fit a lot.

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Speaker 2: That makes twenty nine, the Commander take Josh Simmons, the

653
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Speaker 2: Ohio State offensive tackle. I don't think he'll be available

654
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: this low. I don't think to your point, I don't

655
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: think the Oregon player tackle will.

656
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: Be available this low either, just looking at any third

657
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: and position scarcity. Yeah.

658
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: The Bills at thirty take Derek Harmon, the offensive tackle

659
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Speaker 2: out of Oregon.

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Speaker 4: Okay, our defense feelings or defensive tackle.

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00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. At thirty one, the Eagles take T. J. Sanders,

662
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: the South Carolina defensive tackle.

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Speaker 4: Also the earliest I've seen.

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Speaker 2: I like. I like him too. And then at thirty

665
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Speaker 2: two Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs take James Pierce Junior,

666
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: the edge rusher out of Tennessee. So a lot of

667
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: defensive linemen, a lot of edge rushers in this mock,

668
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: and your typical number of offensive linemen. I just think

669
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: maybe that gets flip flopped a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing that these pure guards.

671
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: I see them in the second half a round one.

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, if at all, I mean maybe they slide out

673
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: of there, right, somebody looks.

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Speaker 4: At early round two is always early round He was

675
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: always a sweet spot for center centers and guards too.

676
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But Matthew Golden to the Steelers, and I

677
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: don't dislike that.

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00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 4: That's up, No, I think that's yeah, value and position,

679
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: need you know.

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00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a Buka falling clear out of the

681
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: first round didn't go okay.

682
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Speaker 4: I bet the old runs better than him, just a hunch.

683
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now he's he's pretty explosive, and I like those

684
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: a lot of different things. Yeah, bigger, bigger body receiver

685
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: that does a lot of different stuff. I can see that.

686
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: I can see the Steelers liking him anyway. That was

687
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: y Yeah, that was Daniel Jeremiah's first attempt at a

688
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: mock draft. He'll come out with another winning in a

689
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, probably coming out of the Senior Bowl

690
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 2: and prior to the Combine. But we'll see some more

691
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: mock drafts start to come out after the Senior and

692
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: after the East West Shrine Bowl as well. But these

693
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: things should really start to heat up here as we

694
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: get closer and closer to the draft in April. I

695
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: know the Super Bowl has played yet, but it is

696
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: not that far away at all. And I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that, you know, the two teams that are in

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00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl do have scouts here. It's not like

699
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: they just ignore these things because they're in the Super Bowl. Also,

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Speaker 2: I might add I look this up over the weekend.

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00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: Matt Steelers had four guys at the Senior Bowl last

702
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: year who they drafted. Their first four draft picks were

703
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: all for guys who may did in the Senior Bowl.

704
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Speaker 2: They've drafted at least one guy from the Senior Bowl

705
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: every year since, at least going back to two thousand

706
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Speaker 2: and seven. The only reason I stopped the only reason

707
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: I stopped there was because that was Mike Tomlin's first year.

708
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: I could have kept going back and it probably would

709
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: have continued along the similar lines, it's such a value're

710
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: talking guys the player, Like, yeah, I know heinz Warb

711
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: was a was a senior guy that two thousand and

712
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: seven draft was Lamar Woodley. You know, they've gotten some

713
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: really good football players out of the Senior Bowl over

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Speaker 2: the years. Yeah, pay atten, pay attention, pay attention to

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Speaker 2: who's here because one or two of these guys there's

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Speaker 2: a good chance they might be a Steeler at some point.

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Speaker 2: So anyways, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: Matt and I'll be back to finish up the show

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Speaker 2: right after this. At least.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt Just to finish up the show here.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted out my preview at the Senior Bowl earlier

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Speaker 2: today and got a lot of responses on there, hitting

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Speaker 2: this one from and I'm gonna roz tweets me back

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Speaker 2: because I I He immediately answered my tweet that said

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Speaker 2: that it led to so much success, the Steelers taking

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Speaker 2: guys from the Senior Bowl every year since two thousand

732
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Speaker 2: and seven has led to so much success.

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Speaker 4: And tongue in chic to say the least.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, he's so much success. Yes, obviously they did

735
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Speaker 2: go to two Super Bowls and win one during that

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Speaker 2: span since two thousand and seven, so yeah, it kind

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Speaker 2: of did. And he tweets back, he won with players.

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Speaker 2: He won with players from Cower's team, not many from

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Speaker 2: from Tomlin's draft. So try again. So just for the

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Speaker 2: heck of bed, I called up the starters from the

741
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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine Super Bowl because it was actually

742
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: after the eight season. So you're telling me that guys

743
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: like James Harrison, you could call him a coward, play

744
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: all you want. Howard never started him, never. He James

745
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Harrison was a special teams player who when Mike Tomlin

746
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: came in, he cut him five times, right, Yeah. Tom

747
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: Wlin came in and the first move that the Steelers

748
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: made was to release Joey Porter so that James Harrickson

749
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Speaker 2: could become a starter at twenty nine years old. Yeah, yeah,

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00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Lamar Woodley Lamar Woodley played a huge factor. He was,

751
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Speaker 2: he is a He still holds the record for most

752
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: sacks to start his career is in the playoffs. I

753
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: think he had like ten stats in his first five

754
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: playoff games or something along with those lines you're telling

755
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: me he didn't he didn't factor into that at all

756
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: from Clark, Ryan Clark. Yeah, yeah, Ryan Clark wasn't on

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00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: that five team. He wasn't a he wasn't a Bill

758
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Cower player. But when people talk those Steeler teams from

759
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: that era, they talk a lot about Ryan Clark. Now, yes,

760
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: the Bret Caaesels and the Aaron Smiths and the Casey

761
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Hamptons guys like that were on this team, but they

762
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: were all Steeler players. Weren't cowards players, and they want

763
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Speaker 2: Tomlin's players.

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Speaker 4: They were Steeler.

765
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Speaker 2: Players, right if you look at the offense. Yeah you

766
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: could say that, and if you want to argue that, okay, fine,

767
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: But they weren't cow They weren't coward players. They weren't

768
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: Tomlin players. But to see that that Tomlin won with

769
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Bill Cowers guys, to me is a false narrative that

770
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: if that were the case, then why did Bill cowerd

771
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: win more more Super Bowls with that group.

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Speaker 4: Why did Bill.

773
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Speaker 2: Cowerd go eight to eight in nineteen ninety years two

774
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: thousand and six, his final year as the head coach.

775
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: If Toman was winning with his guys, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: People make it sound like it was very sweet. The

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 4: entire roster was exactly the same, right, Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Johnson went's back to back Super bowls with Aikman

779
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 4: and Irvin and all those dudes, and him and the

780
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: owner have a falling out and he hires his buddy

781
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: Switzer and they get one more. That's not what happened here.

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Speaker 2: They went to two more. If I call up the

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Speaker 2: twenty ten Super Bowl roster, I mean, it's even it's

784
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: even more so. I can remember talking and I had

785
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: the conversation with Kevin Colbert. I tried to get him

786
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: to talk about it at the twenty ten Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I said, you realize, this is the first time that

788
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Speaker 2: all the starters basically are guys you drafted Tom Donaho

789
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: outside of like hineswool hinesweg was one that we're still

790
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: hanging around, but he wasn't n Yeah, you look that lineup,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look anything like the five Super Bowl lineup.

792
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's marketly different. So to suggest

793
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: that that that you know at that point, uh this,

794
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Speaker 2: you know you're looking at Roethlisberger. Starting running back was

795
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Speaker 2: a sharp ended hall Well. He was a Thoma pick.

796
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: David Johnson was the full back, Matt Spaith at tight end,

797
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 2: Heith Miller was was in Collers two thousand and five rafts.

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00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: But the offensive line was Jonathan Scott, Chris Kimo to

799
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Speaker 2: Don le Gerski, Ramona Foster, close automs. There are all

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Speaker 2: guys who were drafted or brought in by Tom You slept,

801
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Katy Hampton, Brett Eesel Woodley was was a Tomland draft pick.

802
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: Lawrence Timmins and starting lineup Willie Day was another Tomland

803
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: draft pick, and then Ryan Clark as well. This was

804
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: not Cowers team. Yeah, there were a few players on there,

805
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: most notably the quarterback who, as we it out a

806
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, coward didn't even want to drag out. Now,

807
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm not ripping no coward at all, but the respirative

808
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: that some that some that somehow Tomlin won with cowards guys,

809
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: the the eight team and the and the twenty ten

810
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: team had some guys who were still a holder of

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00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: overs from two thousand and five, but they were not

812
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: exactly identical. This was not the seventies. You didn't just

813
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: bring everybody back, and there was a lot.

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Speaker 4: More decisions to be made, shorter contracts, free agents, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And what I was going to say is

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00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: there's also a skill to inheriting a team. You know,

817
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: you don't so many of these coaches. We see coaching

818
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: getting hired and fired all the time. It's happened, you

819
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: know as we speak, basically, and so many of them

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00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 4: come in just got the team. They're not my guys.

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Speaker 4: Get them all out of here, What doesn't mean they are.

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00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's a great example. Yeah, Yeah, Sean Payton had

823
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: to bring basically his entire Saints you know, roster over

824
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: with and from from to Denver.

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00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: You know, there's some success with it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's just one of those things that

827
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Speaker 2: continually people still throw that narrative out there. Why didn't

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00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: it was coward then winning with Chuck Knowles guys in

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Speaker 2: ninety two and ninety three. When does that stop? What's

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00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: the right what's the statue of limitations on winning with

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Speaker 2: somebody else's guys? I don't know.

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00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: Are these teams that shuffle coaches like crazy, you know,

833
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 4: whose guys or whose I don't know, you know what

834
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 4: I mean? And like anything in this world, the longer

835
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 4: it goes, I mean, it's been a long time since

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00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: Tomlin's rookie year. People kind of forget the story exactly too. Yeah,

837
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Speaker 4: the fish were a little bigger, and you know, the

838
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 4: hills were a little steep ride to walk to school

839
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Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff.

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00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: You know, right, was Dan Quinn winning this year with

841
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: whoever the last I can't remember who the last washed

842
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: and coach well Riverboat Ron's guys was he was he

843
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: winning with rares guys this year? Does that not count

844
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: because he get a different quarterback? But yeah, right, thing change,

845
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: But Terry m he didn't draft Terry McLaurin, and Quinn

846
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: didn't draft Terry.

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00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: McLaurin the two defensive tackles or you know.

848
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson or you know any of those guys. So anyways, Matt,

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Speaker 2: that's got the first show today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good one.

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00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But uh, we will be back again tomorrow and

852
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: we'll have a Senior Bowl practice to talk about. Uh

853
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: so we're looking forward to that and lots more to

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00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: get to the rest of this week. But I am

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00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: Dale Lelly here in Mobile, Alabama, and he is Matt

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00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: Williamson back on in Pittsburgh. And I would also like

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Speaker 2: to thank Jerry Dulac for dropping by and Justin Miller

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Speaker 2: running the Justin Miller Hotline back in Pittsburgh as well,

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Speaker 2: But for now I'm Dale Lolly. We thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to this edition of The Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network.