WEBVTT - You Cannot Undo Your Mother

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<v Speaker 1>I am a Yamlah, your host, your guide, a teacher

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<v Speaker 1>for sam in a soft place to fall for others.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was a miserable failure in my relationships until

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<v Speaker 1>I love myself enough to be able to share my

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<v Speaker 1>love with other people. Welcome to the Our Spot, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a confession I want to make today. My daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>my adult daughter, has decided she doesn't want to speak

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<v Speaker 1>to me. For many many months, she ghosted me, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>respond to my telephone calls, wouldn't answer my text and

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<v Speaker 1>when we did connect, she acted like nothing. We're going on,

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<v Speaker 1>as if I were crazy. Now there are days when

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<v Speaker 1>my sanity can be questioned, but that's not the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>The issue here is how does a child, an adult child,

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<v Speaker 1>resolve issues, upset breakdowns with their mother as an adult

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<v Speaker 1>And why is it that we think it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>just cut our mother's off. Now I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a physically abusive or verbally abusive mother. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a mother that you have differences with because you're a

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<v Speaker 1>woman and she's a woman. What makes us think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay to just cut our mother's off. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you are a mother, how do you think it would

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<v Speaker 1>feel for your child to cut you off? It's hard,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hard life when you're in breakdown with your mother.

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<v Speaker 1>But we need to talk about it. When it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to your mother, my question is how do you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is about her and not about you? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you know this is not about how you see things,

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<v Speaker 1>feel things, and just about who she is as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other difficulty in dealing with mothers is learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to be an adult in the face of your mommy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now listen. As a mother, I know that mothers can

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<v Speaker 1>be difficult, but I also know that there is no

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<v Speaker 1>greater love, no greater connection than the one between a

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<v Speaker 1>mother and a child. So when there's a breakdown between

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<v Speaker 1>a mother and an adult child, I am sorry to

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<v Speaker 1>say that everybody has to take a responsibility for their

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<v Speaker 1>part in the breakdown, even me. And that's why we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about it today. Greetings, beloved, Welcome to They

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<v Speaker 1>are spots where we discuss all things relationships. So what

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<v Speaker 1>is the problem, issue, challenge question you would like us

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<v Speaker 1>to nibble on today? Um, how do you move on

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a good relationship with your mother?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you move on? Or how do I move on?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? How do I move on? Good? Because so

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<v Speaker 1>very often in relationships, when we have a breakdown, a challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>an issue, a problem, we externalize it. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>do so and so when your mother? Know? How do

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<v Speaker 1>I do so and so when my mother? Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to own all of it so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>get to it. How do I move on when I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a good relationship with my mother? So I

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<v Speaker 1>need to clarify two things. What does move on mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And what does good relationship means? Move on means? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be bothered with her anymore. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not a good person. That's that's a hard thing for

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<v Speaker 1>me to say. I'm a mother, Okay, so that's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard for me to say. And the other thing is is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>do it in a peaceful way where you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>forgive her because my kids are watching me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be bothered with her anymore because she's not

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<v Speaker 1>a good person. I just want to scratch there for

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<v Speaker 1>a moment. Okay, are you willing? Yeah? Of course, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be bothered with her. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want her in my life on any level. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not going to happen, so let's move on to

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<v Speaker 1>the next thing. Let me tell you why. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's a lifetime relationship. Her blood runs through your veins,

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<v Speaker 1>You know how better than she knows herself, because you

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<v Speaker 1>lived inside of her body, and perhaps you can see

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<v Speaker 1>feel sense some of her contradictions and failures because you

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<v Speaker 1>lived within her things that she's not conscious of herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you get to choose how to be in relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with her, even if that's you send a Christmas card,

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<v Speaker 1>a Mother's Day card, a birthday card. But as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you have upset with her, you will be in

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with her. What you want to be is in

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful relationship with her. Would that be accurate? No, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be in any relationship with her, but

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<v Speaker 1>you are. That's not going to change. Her blood runs

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<v Speaker 1>through your veins, so you're just you are rejecting or

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<v Speaker 1>trying to detach from a piece of yourself. Your mother

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<v Speaker 1>is your heart. The first sound you heard as a

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<v Speaker 1>living being was her heartbeat. There's no way you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>be in relationship with her. You get to choose the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of relationship you have with her. Okay, then that's

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. I want to be at peace with the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of relationship I'm choosing with her. Does that make

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<v Speaker 1>that better? Yes, that makes more sense. But as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you feel I don't want her in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be in relationship. You're fighting against yourself, Beloved,

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<v Speaker 1>Your relationship with your mother is a life time relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot undo her being your mother. You can undo

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<v Speaker 1>a husband, you can undo a boss, and you share blood.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't undo that. You can't undo it. Okay. This

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<v Speaker 1>is so very curious to me because very recently I

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<v Speaker 1>did some deep spiritual work and in that process of

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<v Speaker 1>the work, what I became aware of, or what I

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<v Speaker 1>was guided to recognize, is my daughter has a very

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<v Speaker 1>contentious relationship with me. I could not figure out why

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<v Speaker 1>I've given I've done that, booed the bie. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mother right, and no matter how much I do,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not enough. No matter what I do, it's not right,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter you know anything that it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's just an enemy to me, or it feels that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I recognized or what I was shown in

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<v Speaker 1>this work that I was doing on myself was that

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<v Speaker 1>she is the part of me that I reject, deny,

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<v Speaker 1>avoid and resist. She is my shadow self. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way that I am with her is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>I am with a piece of myself, the piece I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like, the peace I don't recognize, the piece that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to acknowledge admit, And she just shows

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<v Speaker 1>up to support me in learning how to be compassionate

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<v Speaker 1>with all of me. Now, my situation is the reverse

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<v Speaker 1>of yours, because you're the daughter saying you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be in relationship with the mother, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>been the mother saying I don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with the daughter because of the way she treats me.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's my question, beloved, what part of your mother

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<v Speaker 1>represents a part of you that maybe you're unaware of

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<v Speaker 1>or unaccepting of, or having become conscious of yet so

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly which one. In my home, the only

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<v Speaker 1>emotions was how to be mean and evil? Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>is something that I worked through every day my husband

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<v Speaker 1>when he first met me. Why do you always have

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<v Speaker 1>a scowl on your face? Why you know? And so

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<v Speaker 1>that part, like I know how to be mean and evil,

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<v Speaker 1>But to be kind takes more effort. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind takes an open heart. And when there's

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<v Speaker 1>a breakdown between the mother and the daughter, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care who the mother is, who the daughter is. When

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<v Speaker 1>there's a breakdown between the mother and the daughter, the

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<v Speaker 1>heart is shut down. So tell me you you say

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<v Speaker 1>you're a mother, you have daughters, And what's your daughter's name?

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<v Speaker 1>My daughter's name is Tyler. Let's make believe. Okay. Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>is talking to this woman on the on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>program and she says to the woman this, I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to close your eyes and hear that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be bothered with my mother because she is

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<v Speaker 1>not a good person. That's what Tyler is saying. How

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<v Speaker 1>does that make you feel? It hurts me to my core? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because in your mind, just like me, you've done everything,

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<v Speaker 1>You've given everything. You didn't treat her like your mother

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<v Speaker 1>treated you. You don't do the things that your mother did.

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<v Speaker 1>What is she talking about? But that's Tyler's experience. So

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<v Speaker 1>what if your experience of your mother is not necessarily true,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the story that you've made up about the

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<v Speaker 1>way you've interpreted who she is and how she behaves.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been open when I've been hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>You hurt me when you did this, and she would

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, and see I don't have time for that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>see you think that she did it again to you

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to did it again as a reflection of

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<v Speaker 1>her consciousness and maybe her inability to resolve with her

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<v Speaker 1>mother or with the dark part of herself. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>they told me everything I don't like about my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is the stuff I don't like and accept about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe everything that you don't like and accept about your

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<v Speaker 1>mother is the stuff that you don't like and accept

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself. Because think of it this way, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>so much beloved what happens as it is the story

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<v Speaker 1>we tell ourselves about what happens. So here's a story.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother put me in the in the um trunk

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<v Speaker 1>of the car, all right, that's what happened. She put

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<v Speaker 1>you in the trunk of the car. Now, maybe she

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<v Speaker 1>snatched you and put you in there. Maybe she tricked

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<v Speaker 1>you to go in there. Maybe she threw you in there.

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<v Speaker 1>She threw you in the trunk of the car. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. The story you tell yourself about it is

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<v Speaker 1>my mother threw me in the trunk of the car

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<v Speaker 1>because she hates me. My mother threw me in the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk of the car because she's crazy. My mother threw

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<v Speaker 1>me in the trunk of the car. And she shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have done that, because she should have known I'm scared

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<v Speaker 1>of the dark, and I didn't have anything to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to pee, and she shouldn't have done it.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth is, she put you in the trunk of

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<v Speaker 1>the car, perhaps with no explanation. What changes the experience

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<v Speaker 1>into something more devastating is what you tell yourself about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and what you tell yourself about her. So I tell

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<v Speaker 1>my mother what she does that hurts me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>does it again because she's not a good person. She

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<v Speaker 1>does it again because she don't care about me. The

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<v Speaker 1>only thing she do is think about herself. She did

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<v Speaker 1>it again because she never hears what I'm saying. She

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<v Speaker 1>don't care what she's doing to people. She's a selfish cow.

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<v Speaker 1>She did it. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 1>hear you. Is it that she does it again or

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<v Speaker 1>is it what you tell yourself about why she does

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<v Speaker 1>it again? Both? I think it really is okay, But

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<v Speaker 1>The one that matters is what you tell yourself. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you want to believe what you think is true. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna believe that. Why would your mother consciously do something?

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<v Speaker 1>Because as well, that means you were born from not

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<v Speaker 1>a good person. So there's not good in YouTube. M

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<v Speaker 1>hm m m. Now what those I love? If you

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<v Speaker 1>do it anywhere, you do it everywhere, just when you think,

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<v Speaker 1>just when you think. What I'm aware of now is

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<v Speaker 1>that my daughter isn't responding to me necessarily about who

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<v Speaker 1>I am and what I do. She's responding to me

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<v Speaker 1>to show me the way I treat those dark parts

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<v Speaker 1>of myself. I deny them, I reject them, I avoid them,

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<v Speaker 1>I resist them, I detached from them. So my job

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<v Speaker 1>isn't trying to fix my relationship with my daughter. My

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<v Speaker 1>job is to shine lights on the part of me

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't embrace and accept and acknowledge. That's my work,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be grateful to her for showing me. If

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<v Speaker 1>your mother is not a good person and the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing you heard was her heartbeat, then there's not good

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<v Speaker 1>in you, and you probably have no idea of how

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<v Speaker 1>it shows up. You want to find out. Ask your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll tell you, Oh they tell me, they tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, And what do you say when they tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that? That would lead Tyler to say, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be bothered with my mother because she's not

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<v Speaker 1>a good person. And what do you do with what

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<v Speaker 1>they tell you? Oh? We I've hired a counselor for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I've been brought in on the counseling session

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm at the root of everything. I'm open to

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<v Speaker 1>it because I want to be my best me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>your best me means learning how to embrace your mother

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<v Speaker 1>as she is and creating a relationship with her that

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<v Speaker 1>honors who you are. That's that's how you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the best you. You can't walk away from her. Five

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<v Speaker 1>years you haven't spoken to her, So then why is

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<v Speaker 1>it still a problem? Beloved? Can you imagine not speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to Tyler for five years? You know I can't. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean really, well, then you need too, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you're creating. Because the only way to truly heal a

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<v Speaker 1>situation is to experience it from both sides. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't do the conscious work to heal something, then you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to experience it from the other side, so

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a full view of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of those family breakdowns. And first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, it's very common. It's very common. That's number one,

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<v Speaker 1>because either the mother can't see herself and the daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>or the daughter won't see herself and the mother. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're so busy trying not to be like our mother

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<v Speaker 1>or what we judge our mother to be, that we

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<v Speaker 1>end up being just like her. Oh my god, I've

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<v Speaker 1>become my mother. After the break will continue to unpack

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<v Speaker 1>the difficult to navigate relationship between mothers and daughters. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the our spot. Now let's get back into

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. So let me say this. My mother is

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<v Speaker 1>not a good person and that makes me feel what.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a breath. My mother is not a good person.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother is not a good person, and it makes

0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.080
<v Speaker 1>me feel alone. Uh huh, come on, take a breath.

0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:31.280
<v Speaker 1>My mother is not a good person and I feel unwanted. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now listen to this one. My mother is evil and

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<v Speaker 1>that makes me feel what. My mother is evil and

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<v Speaker 1>that makes me feel ashamed. Ah, take a breath, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother's narcissistic and that makes me feel what I

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<v Speaker 1>never want to be bothered with her again? Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>That's true? Is there something as true or truer than

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<v Speaker 1>the statement that I never want to be bothered with

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<v Speaker 1>my mother again? Is it something as true or true?

0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:12.640
<v Speaker 1>How about I love my mother and I miss her,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know how to be with her and

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<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't fit that's okay? Okay? Is that as

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<v Speaker 1>true or truer? Okay, take a breath. Yeah, how about

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<v Speaker 1>this one as true or true? I love my mother,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm ashamed of who she is. I'm ashamed of

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<v Speaker 1>how she behaves. Is that as true or true? True?

0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.400
<v Speaker 1>How about this one? I want to be in relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with my mother, but only if she changes. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>true because she can't change. Well, you don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>to be true. She can't change, and you know what

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<v Speaker 1>else can change? Your perspective of her, how you see her,

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<v Speaker 1>how you hold her. Because you're speaking the story as

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<v Speaker 1>if your mother's you know, intention in life is to

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<v Speaker 1>hurt you, leave you alone, treat you bad. If your

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<v Speaker 1>mother is narcissistic, then she's got a mental and emotional

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<v Speaker 1>imbalance that she either has no awareness of or no control. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I figured I have figure that out. Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to deal with it well again, Mother's

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<v Speaker 1>Day card, Birthday card, Christmas card, Because your first responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>is to protect yourself. And you didn't say this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I sense it. The way your mother behaves frightens you

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't feel safe in her presence. Is that true? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So beloved, Your work isn't about creating a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>your mother. Your relationship is investigating a loneness, unwantedness, shame,

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<v Speaker 1>and not feeling safe. That's your work. What is it

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<v Speaker 1>that she's done that makes you feel alone? And when

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<v Speaker 1>else do you feel that way? What is it that

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<v Speaker 1>she's done, or how is it that she's been with

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<v Speaker 1>you that makes you feel unwanted? And when else do

0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you feel that way? When what has she done or

0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.480
<v Speaker 1>how has she been with you that makes you feel ashamed?

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you've got a mother that hurts you consciously

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<v Speaker 1>and treat you poorly, yeah, I'd be ashamed to have

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<v Speaker 1>that as my mother. But when else do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way? You clean up those things and she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to start looking different. But even more important, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you do it? That's what I have to look at

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<v Speaker 1>with my daughter. How do I do what she does.

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<v Speaker 1>And it may not be that I do it now

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<v Speaker 1>or that I do it consciously? How have I done

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<v Speaker 1>what my daughter does? And I can see it? When

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at it like that, I was like, Oh Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>just let me go down and drink brown looking straight

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<v Speaker 1>out the bottle. Let me and I don't even drink,

0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.040
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna drink brown look a straight about the

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<v Speaker 1>bottle because when I looked at it that way, how

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<v Speaker 1>have I done that? And to whom? And can I

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<v Speaker 1>forgive myself for when I've done that? And what that

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<v Speaker 1>did for me was give me more compassion for her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also set me up so that if I

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<v Speaker 1>had to walk away, I would walk away. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was a choice, not a reaction. You're walking away from

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<v Speaker 1>your mother out of reaction, not out of choice. That

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<v Speaker 1>means she's got the power you don't. I thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was making a choice, but I haven't made a story

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<v Speaker 1>because I hadn't worked on this stuff. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to your mother in five years and you got

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<v Speaker 1>to call me to ask me how to move on,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't moved on, but you don't feel you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad because you haven't cleared your heart that I

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<v Speaker 1>need to do. Really, how old is your daughter? Yeah? Baby,

0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 1>she can give you some truth. Oh she does. So

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<v Speaker 1>she gave me some yesterday. And what did you do

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<v Speaker 1>with it? I listened and I changed. She told me

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't go places in places like Sephora. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like makeup. She wants to be a makeup artist.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always say, well, you go down to Sephora.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going here, and she said, I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be with me and present. That's what she told me.

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<v Speaker 1>So what what she's saying to you is I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to Sephora alone. That's exactly what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that too. Yeah, and you'd feel alone without

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<v Speaker 1>your mom. And you're doing to her. You're modeling to

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<v Speaker 1>her the very same thing you complain about with your mother.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hurts. Yes, Oh yeah, you're setting yourself up baby,

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<v Speaker 1>because you you you've really got to unpack that story

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<v Speaker 1>that you're telling yourself about your mom. And that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that she's the best person or that she did it.

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<v Speaker 1>She did. You know, my mothers feed their kids out

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<v Speaker 1>the trash can, but you know what, they will walk

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half miles in a blizzard to go

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<v Speaker 1>uptown to get the best trash they can find. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean they didn't feed their kids trash, but as a mom,

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<v Speaker 1>they went to find the best trash they could. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the kids grow up, you know what they're gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom getting me out the trash can. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>discount the fact that she walked three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>miles in a blizzard up and back three and a

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<v Speaker 1>half miles, that's seven miles to get the best trash

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<v Speaker 1>because they got better trash uptown than they had downtown,

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<v Speaker 1>and all she had to give what's trash. She went

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<v Speaker 1>to get the best trash she could find. But what

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the kids are gonna remember is my mama fed me

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<v Speaker 1>out the trash can. That's what Tyler is gonna remember.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gonna remember that the thing that's burning in her

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<v Speaker 1>soul and her spirit, she wants to be a makeup artist.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have any interest in so you sent her

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<v Speaker 1>to Sephora alone. That your voice and your wisdom and

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<v Speaker 1>your insight, you better start liking makeup. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it, fake it till you make it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to her. It's important to her and probably

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<v Speaker 1>your mother never had a conversation with a fool like

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<v Speaker 1>me who would say, you don't have to like it.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's important to her, make yourself like it. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to change my life. Thank you. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>so much about forgiving your mother as it is about

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<v Speaker 1>forgiving yourself, for judging your mother for the way she's

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<v Speaker 1>been with you and how it's made you feel. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been out your life five years and you can still

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<v Speaker 1>pull up. I feel alone. Mm hmm. If you got

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<v Speaker 1>a husband and two kids and you feel unwanted because

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<v Speaker 1>your heart is not clean. So here's your here's your assignment.

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<v Speaker 1>Clean up your heart, and your mother will shift, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you choose how to be in relationship with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Choose how to be in relationship. Don't react to her behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Let this be your healing intention that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to heal so that Tyler never has to feel

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<v Speaker 1>about me the way I feel about my mother. Courageous, courageous, courageous,

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>courageous woman. You are for calling because this is deep

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<v Speaker 1>level healing that you are doing here, and it's so common.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to thank you for all of the

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<v Speaker 1>mothers out there whose daughters don't speak to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of the daughters out there who don't speak to

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<v Speaker 1>their mother, and all the mothers and daughters who are struggling,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, through these kinds of issues because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we don't know how to heal it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for your courage. I'm gonna send you to

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<v Speaker 1>prayer and I'm gonna wish you the best. Stay in touch,

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<v Speaker 1>send me an email every now and then and let

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<v Speaker 1>me know how you're doing. Okay, okay, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you, my love, and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>calling me our spot. So before you cut your mother off,

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<v Speaker 1>you owe it to yourself to do everything in your

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<v Speaker 1>power to at least come to a place of peace,

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<v Speaker 1>to at least be at peace in your mind and

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<v Speaker 1>in your heart with who your mother is, just as

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>she is. Now here's the good news. You don't need

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the other person, your mother to heal, in order for

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<v Speaker 1>you to heal the breakdown. Now Here is a not

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<v Speaker 1>so good news. You don't need the other person to

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<v Speaker 1>heal in order for you to heal your experience of

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<v Speaker 1>the breakdown. Why is that because more often than not,

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<v Speaker 1>when it's a family breakdown, a lifetime relationship we think

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the other person also has to heal. That is not true.

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>You can do the healing work. You can have a

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>relationship because you get to choose a breakdown. In a

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>family relationship when they're shared blood, the only escape route

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>is forgiveness, and that's usually the last thing we want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. We'll dive into how to do that after

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<v Speaker 1>the break. Welcome back. How do you clean up issues

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<v Speaker 1>with your mother? I mean your mother who fed you,

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<v Speaker 1>closed you, took care of you to the best of

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>her ability, and now as an adult, you don't like her.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't like how she does, what she does, how

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<v Speaker 1>she does it with you or to you. My experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>most people have no clue how to address their mother

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<v Speaker 1>as in her adult because they were hurt by her

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<v Speaker 1>when she was just mommy. So what they do is

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<v Speaker 1>they cut her off. Just cut her off. And of course,

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>because she's the older adult, it's always her fault. Well,

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>moms do the best they can. Mom's a human. Take

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<v Speaker 1>a listen, Good afternoon, beloved, Welcome to the our spot

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about all things relationships, all kinds of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is your relationship issue challenge dilemma today? I

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<v Speaker 1>have been having an issue with my immediate family and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, my sister, my brother, and it's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on two years, back and forward, and I'm just at

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>a point of I don't know what else to do.

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of pulled away, and you know, I

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>love my family, and I don't know what it is. Okay, Well,

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>how do you experience it? I just like the black sheet.

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>It's like it starts with my mom. You know, she

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<v Speaker 1>would gossip about me, or if she's upset with my sister,

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>she would say things to my brother about my sister.

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>My sister and I have the same father and my

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>brother doesn't. But a lot of things started. So then

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>my mom was dating my brother's dad, and I've witnessed

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>him hitting my mom and slapping her food off the table,

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, as going up, I've seen that. So

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I I just didn't like him, and I left and

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>went to a friend, and my mom came to get

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 1>me with the police. And once I got home, Uh,

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I was pushed in my room by my sister and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom was proceeded to hit me in my face

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<v Speaker 1>and woke up the next morning with the clothes eye

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and had to go to school like that, and that

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>those punches to my face stuck with me up until now,

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 1>and it still hurts me. And over the years I've

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>tried to, you know, get past it, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>that has shaped, you know, this whole thing with my mom. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got a couple of things going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to I want to just move in

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<v Speaker 1>on something that I think may maybe the main issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna offer you this. Because I hear you

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<v Speaker 1>saying you feel like the black sheep, I hear something

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. I hear a hurt and a betrayal

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<v Speaker 1>because your mother. Your mother chose a man over you.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that fit for you? Okay? So there, it is

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<v Speaker 1>not that you're the black sheep, but I hurt and

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<v Speaker 1>a betrayal because your mother chose a man over you.

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<v Speaker 1>You left home because you didn't want to witness participate.

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<v Speaker 1>C no that she was allowing a man to treat

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<v Speaker 1>her poorly. And not only did she come and drag

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<v Speaker 1>you back, she hum humiliated you by slapping you in

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<v Speaker 1>your face. I think of all the things parents can

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<v Speaker 1>do to children, that's the one thing that they need

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<v Speaker 1>to outlaw. Slapping a person in their face is a

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<v Speaker 1>form of humiliation. She humiliated you and took him back,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just happens to be your brother's father, so

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<v Speaker 1>you experience it as her favoring your brother over you

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<v Speaker 1>and your sister. Would that be accurate? Yeah? So see

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot different than I'm the black sheep of

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<v Speaker 1>the family, isn't it? And I can imagine how hard

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<v Speaker 1>it is for that little girl in there and for you,

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<v Speaker 1>as a grown woman to sit with. My mom chose

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<v Speaker 1>a man over me. And not only does she choose

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<v Speaker 1>a man over me, she chose a married man who

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<v Speaker 1>abuses her over me. Well, what the heck is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with me that she would make that choice? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>how it lands in your belly? Okay? Humiliated you? Now

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<v Speaker 1>you're humiliating yourself by saying I'm the black sheet. Ain't

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with black sheet. They give wool just like

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<v Speaker 1>white sheet. So even being the black sheet paid a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing. So I need to hear you say it

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<v Speaker 1>so that I can hear how much of it you're

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<v Speaker 1>owning that humiliated me? When oh man over me? Where

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel that in your body? Yes? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you to be present with that for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while and let that little girl cry about it

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<v Speaker 1>if she needs to, because I think you shut her

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<v Speaker 1>down and rehumiliate her by not telling the truth about it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>my beloved, for you, there's only one escape hatch, only one,

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<v Speaker 1>and its forgiveness. It's not you, the forty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old woman, doing the forgiveness. It's finding the voice and

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling and the energy of that little girl that

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<v Speaker 1>got slapped in the face. What does she need to forget?

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<v Speaker 1>It's her thoughts, it's her feelings, it's her experience. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not healing what's going on today, this thing about you

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<v Speaker 1>and your mom and your sister and your brother. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what you're healing. You're healing her brokenness all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back. Then does that make sense to you? And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these family breakdowns when you're an adult almost

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<v Speaker 1>always have their root in their core as something that

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<v Speaker 1>happened when you were a child. So here we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about humiliation, we're talking about betrayal. We're talking about not protecting,

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<v Speaker 1>not nurturing that little girl who is probably afraid when

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<v Speaker 1>this man was not being nice to her mommy, So

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<v Speaker 1>exposing you to danger, exposing you too emotional unsafety. She

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<v Speaker 1>needs to forgive her mom for all of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>not you her. You're just bringing forth her energy and

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<v Speaker 1>it's showing up the way it is today. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to you? So? Can I gift you a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of my book on forgiveness so that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do that work and it's a forty day process. I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to do that work, and then I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to call me and tell me what you now realize,

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<v Speaker 1>and also tell me if anything has changed with you

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<v Speaker 1>and your mom will thank you. Okay, my love, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be well. I want to hear from you. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>loveships or loving relationships, intimate relationships among partners are not

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<v Speaker 1>the only relationships that break down. Family relationships also break down,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's the breakdown between the parent and the ChIL

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<v Speaker 1>dren or between the siblings or in a blended family.

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<v Speaker 1>But family relationships are very often difficult to heal because

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<v Speaker 1>when they break down, our first instinct is to run.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to run, We want to get away from

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<v Speaker 1>it as far as possible, because we don't realize that

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<v Speaker 1>family relationships are lifetime relationships. Whenever there's a shared blood,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever the blood that runs through your veins is running

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<v Speaker 1>through somebody else's veins. That is a lifetime relationship, So

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're with the person, see the person, or engage

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<v Speaker 1>with the person, you still have to heal the breakdown.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Yama and I thank you for tuning in. If

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