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Speaker 1: DP at dan Patrick dot com. Logically, we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprised that the Ohio State Michigan game was canceled, right,

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Speaker 1: We all know what's happening around the country, and college

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Speaker 1: campuses in Michigan has been hit as hard as any state,

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Speaker 1: and also that college campus as well. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is just a reality. You know, this is a great

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Speaker 1: rivalry we wanted to be played. It's been one sided

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Speaker 1: as of late, the Buckeyes winning eight in a row

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Speaker 1: fifty of sixteen. But that doesn't mean that it's not

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Speaker 1: entertaining or culturally significant. Probably more so this year than

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Speaker 1: in a long time, and Michigan was a big underdog.

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Speaker 1: I told you a couple of weeks ago that my

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Speaker 1: Big Ten source said, hey, you're going to hear this,

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Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, but it's out there or

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Speaker 1: at least starting to leak out there, that Michigan because

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Speaker 1: of COVID and the fact they don't want to get

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Speaker 1: embarrassed by Ohio State and they wouldn't want Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, that is how this is being

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Speaker 1: framed right now, and that the Michigan Ohio State game

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Speaker 1: was probably not going to be played, and as we

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Speaker 1: found out, they're not going to play this game, and

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Speaker 1: now the focus shifts to Ohio State. Is the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten going to change their eligibility rules to let Ohio

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Speaker 1: State play in the conference title game? Now that means

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that they were too rigid when all to this started.

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Speaker 1: But if there was ever a time to admit your mistakes,

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Speaker 1: it's this year. You know, the ACC just us you

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Speaker 1: had a change in their schedule, making sure Clemson and

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Speaker 1: gets two weeks to prepare for the ACC title game.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean this is the end of the

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Speaker 1: road for Ohio States title chances, because let's face it,

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Speaker 1: these conference championship games they're just a money grab to

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Speaker 1: begin with. Remember when they first started and I said,

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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And it was basically, this

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Speaker 1: is just to make money for the conference. And then

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, you do put some of your teams

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Speaker 1: they're going to play for a conference title game and

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Speaker 1: if they lose, then that would preclude them from playing

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Speaker 1: in a bigger bowl game at the time, or maybe

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Speaker 1: playing for a national championship. So here you have Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't have to play in the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: title game. Let me think about it. They don't. They're

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Speaker 1: in the top four right now now. They base that

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Speaker 1: Michigan game. So one more game again, Iowa Wisconsin like,

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Speaker 1: who cares? And understand this the college football Final Four?

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Speaker 1: You know who gets in the final four. The marquee

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Speaker 1: teams get into the Final four because people show up

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Speaker 1: way they get squeezed out is if Florida would beat Alabama.

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Speaker 1: It was suggested in my Big Ten source that I

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Speaker 1: Michigan had no choice with a spike this week. They

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Speaker 1: basically the Big Ten, but former Wisconsin head coach athletic director.

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Speaker 1: that while Wisconsin was still alive in the race. They

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Speaker 1: I could understand if it's Texas A and M because

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Speaker 1: it was also pointed out to me could Ohio State

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Speaker 1: And I said, buzzkill. As I texted him back. He goes, well,

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Speaker 1: going to play the game and who's going to televise it?

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Speaker 1: they waived the six game rule. But if I'm Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: If you're Ohio State, I don't want to play an M.

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Speaker 1: I'm already in the final four. A and M needs

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Speaker 1: and M. We'll talk to Andy Staples. He covers college

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Speaker 1: football for The Athletic. Get his thoughts on all of this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is moving, This is fluid because we're

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Speaker 1: and they were able to do that. There's more moving parts.

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Speaker 1: The bigger the program, the bigger the conference, there's more

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Speaker 1: they've already played before. Hey let him play Nebraska, which

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Speaker 1: for some of these programs. Other than that, everything's great

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Speaker 1: in college football. It's all about adaptability here, I understand

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Speaker 1: it all right. Mclevity got a poll question. By the way,

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Speaker 1: poll question? Okay, after what you said, are you okay

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Speaker 1: Knocket information about where the Florida wins or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Just in principle, are you okay with an incomplete Ohio

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Speaker 1: State resume, not you, but what the audience sticks. I

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Speaker 1: think there's gonna be some backlash. Yeah, I understand it

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Speaker 1: because people are going to go, well, it's preferential treatment

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Speaker 1: they haven't. But we do know the history of Ohio

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Speaker 1: College football is basically, I need the biggest names, biggest schools,

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Speaker 1: You're going to do blockbuster numbers here. That's what this

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Speaker 1: Remember college football would just say your number one and

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Speaker 1: College football used to have mythical national championships, like they

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Speaker 1: didn't play each other. We're gonna say you're the national champ.

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Speaker 1: Didn't President Nixon annoint Was it Texas the national champs?

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Speaker 1: One year? Yep? Yeah? Sure, I mean why not. That's

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Speaker 1: what are they not doing? Who's in, who's out? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's big business, and you know you're going to alter

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing you probably don't want that to happen. So

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Speaker 1: you either have to decide do you want to keep

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Speaker 1: him or do you move on? And my feeling would

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Speaker 1: be move on because your goal at Michigan has to

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Speaker 1: win bigs in titles, your goal is to beat Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been able to do any of those things,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, it seems like it's just getting worse.

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Speaker 1: So if you tried, it got a little better for

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Speaker 1: a while, but you never got ultimately what you wanted.

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Speaker 1: Go try to find somebody who can get what you want.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this was a good thing for Michigan football?

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Speaker 1: They're not playing this weekend. I don't think it matters

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. I mean, and it's sort

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Speaker 1: of like the same thing with Ohio State when Ohio

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Speaker 1: State beating this Michigan team prove anything to anyone, and

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Speaker 1: we know what would happen to Michigan in this game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so I don't think it really changes anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it changes anything for hardball. I just

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Speaker 1: it's crazy to me, Dan, because I was sitting there

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Speaker 1: looking at my phone yesterday after the cancelation, and we've

447
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: seen all kinds of weird news this year. There's just

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Speaker 1: you know, stuff we never thought would happen, and I'm

449
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Speaker 1: looking at it and it was the first time in

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Speaker 1: a while that a story has just hit me, like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, they canceled Michigan Ohio State. Like it

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Speaker 1: just sinks in that this is just a weird, weird year.

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Speaker 1: You had a really detailed column about EXAs football, and

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Speaker 1: you know, there was the reporter or rumor that urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer might be kicking the tires there and that his

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Speaker 1: wife was looking for Holmes in Austin here, like nobody

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Speaker 1: is a Zillo, Yeah to fly in and do it

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Speaker 1: in person. You know, I've watched most of Texas games

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Speaker 1: this year, and they could have gone the other way

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Speaker 1: and we'd be looking at you know, Herman and saying

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Speaker 1: he might be coach of the Year in the Big

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Speaker 1: Twelve and they would be playing for the Big Twelve championship.

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Speaker 1: If I'm a Texas fan, am I staying with coach

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Speaker 1: Herman here? Or we look at elsewhere? Well, the fans

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Speaker 1: are ready to move on, they are ready to go.

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Speaker 1: But but my thing is, if you can't get an

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, and let's think about it, how many real

468
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Speaker 1: slam dunk hires have worked out in college football in

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Urban Meyer did it twice at

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Speaker 1: Florida and at Ohio State. I would argue that Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban was a successful slam dunk hire at Alabama, and

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly was at Notre Dame. And we'll see about

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Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher Texas A and m he has a couple

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Speaker 1: more years like this, we'll add him to that list.

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Speaker 1: But it's a very short list, so you can't get

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Speaker 1: anybody like that. If you compare the other names that

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Speaker 1: we'd be talking about, whether it's Mario Christo Ball or

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Speaker 1: Matt Campbell, James Franklin. Are they going to do any

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Speaker 1: better than Herman does. I don't really know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was pretty close this year, but it's

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Speaker 1: still not what you want because you know, they lose

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Speaker 1: to TCU. He's lost to TCU three times. That shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: At Texas. They lose to Iowa State with with a

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Speaker 1: trip to the Big Twelve title game on the line.

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Speaker 1: That shouldn't happen at Texas. You should have better players,

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Speaker 1: and in most of those games you should have a

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Speaker 1: significant talent advantage. And then yeah, every once in a while,

488
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Speaker 1: somebody going to get you, but really it should be

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Speaker 1: you in Oklahoma duking it out at the top. And

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Speaker 1: that's Tom Herman's problem. It's it's not that he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been competitive against Oklahoma, because he's been very competitive against Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: It's winning against those other teams. And the question is

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Speaker 1: million bucks. Yeah, but we you know you're you want

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Speaker 1: to move or they may want to move on. Who

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Speaker 1: are you getting? The same can be said about Michigan

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Speaker 1: that that that fan base probably wants to move on.

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Speaker 1: Who are you getting to replace? You know, the thing

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Speaker 1: is you can you can get somebody doing better than

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Speaker 1: what Jim Harbaugh is doing now, you can get something

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Speaker 1: better than when Jim Harbaugh has given you the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. I don't know that Texas is gonna,

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Speaker 1: given the current pool, get better than what they've gotten

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Speaker 1: from Tom Herman because he actually might be on a

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Speaker 1: decent trajectory. Jim Harbaugh doesn't feel like he's on a

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Speaker 1: good trajectory right now. Who's winning the Heisman? That SEC

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Speaker 1: Championship game is going to be a very highly watched

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Speaker 1: affair among Heisman voters because you've got You've got Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones and Kyle Trask and and obviously both of them

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Speaker 1: have insane calent around them, and I think that's you know,

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Speaker 1: people say, well, well, Trevor Lawrence is the best player. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: if thirty two NFL gms voted for the Heisman, Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence would win in a landslide. But that's not how

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Speaker 1: these things usually work. And so you have to say, well,

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Speaker 1: is Matt Joe's doing this because he's great or because

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Speaker 1: of DeVante Smith? Is Kyle Trast doing this because he's

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Speaker 1: great or because of Kyle Pitts. I think that game

517
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Speaker 1: will probably decide it which quarterback plays better. If one

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Speaker 1: quarterback just has a disaster of a game, it's probably

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Speaker 1: going to the other guy. Or if they just have

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00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: a duel for the ages, I think the one who

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Speaker 1: comes out on top probably winds up winning it. By

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Speaker 1: the way, how's the Pac twelve doing? They are still playing?

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Speaker 1: They played some Sunday football. I watched. I watched USC

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Speaker 1: Washington State on Sunday. It was great. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a rear. I swear to god, I flipped through

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Speaker 1: and I go, oh, you know what, let me watch

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Speaker 1: a little bit of this game from seton Wait, oh no,

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Speaker 1: this is actually oh okay. I get was tapped me

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder and say we're playing football on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Of course you are. Well. It's interesting because the PAC

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Speaker 1: twelve may have bungled this all worse than the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: because really, until the Big Ten said they're playing again,

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve almost it's almost if they hadn't even

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Speaker 1: thought of the possibility of trying to play this season,

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Speaker 1: and so it doesn't look good. They're hardly getting any

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Speaker 1: games in. But at least they've been flexible. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the one thing. They have tried to be very flexible.

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Speaker 1: They created a Cal Washington game on two days notice

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Speaker 1: and played that on a Sunday. And if you're the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten, you should look at that and say, well,

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Speaker 1: we could probably figure out a solution to this Ohio

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Speaker 1: state issue and get them another game if we just

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Speaker 1: be a little creative like they've been. But the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten is not. That aircraft carrier does not turn around

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Speaker 1: very well. Andy, great to talk to you, and we'll

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Speaker 1: have to be ready for anything this year, but to

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Speaker 1: storm that wasn't in any commissioner's handbook. The Ravens receiver

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00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: was fired up. He was going to face his former team.

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Speaker 1: Fox had a story about in fact, Dez Bryant was

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Speaker 1: he was gonna go home and drink some wine and

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Speaker 1: probably not play football the rest of this year. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's a logical response to an illogical season when

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Speaker 1: you think about it, and I'm not sure how the

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Speaker 1: NFL justified playing the game while others were moved back

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Speaker 1: because of contact tracing. Left to see what happens when

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Speaker 1: all the facts come out. But the Ravens managed to

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Speaker 1: play and beat the Cowboys. They roughed them up, they

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Speaker 1: ran for nearly three hundred yards and the audience got

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Speaker 1: to watch a relatively entertaining game. But you can't help

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Speaker 1: it watch the Cowboys. And I know we overrate the Cowboys.

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: Everything about the Cowboys is overrated. And you have a

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Speaker 1: defense that there are guys who got paid on that defense.

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Speaker 1: I can give a hall pass to the offense. With

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott out and the offensive line has had injuries, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you still have some weapons on the offense. You still

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Speaker 1: have Zeke Elliott that everybody keeps telling me, yep, they

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Speaker 1: made a smart move and resigning him, all right. But

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Speaker 1: the defense, that's where I would have heads rolling. I'd

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Speaker 1: have I just want accountability. If I'm Jerry Jones, I

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Speaker 1: just want accountability, just who's responsible. And I would make

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Speaker 1: I would be making moves here because I got to

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Speaker 1: get somebody's attention. Here. You're the Cowboys, and you're planned

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Speaker 1: like you're the Jaguars. In fact, Jacksonville's more competitive probably

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Speaker 1: weekend in week out than the Cowboys are got a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys who got paid and you'd never know

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Speaker 1: it when you watch that tea. Yes, McLeman. After the game,

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Speaker 1: in the post game, the Fox guys started diving to

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Speaker 1: that topic about whether the Cowboys would take another quarterback

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Speaker 1: at four yea, even though they all love Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: they think he's great, But do you need like a

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Speaker 1: fresh start there? Anyway? If you're a four, what do

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Speaker 1: you do? You have to be absolutely positively sure of

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Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback that they can play for you right away,

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Speaker 1: because Dallas is built to win right now. Spend all

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Speaker 1: this money. They're built to win right now. This isn't

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Speaker 1: one of those hey we got a two or three

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Speaker 1: year period here, because they don't. They could have signed

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Speaker 1: Dak eighteen nineteen months ago. They screwed that up and

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Speaker 1: now here they are a bad football team. And just

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Speaker 1: the thought that they would be thinking about a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If you said I could have you know, Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: game plan was going to be moving forward, because then

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Speaker 1: I get the rookie contract at that position, and then

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Speaker 1: I can afford to bring in a couple of a

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Speaker 1: couple more players that might actually be worthy of a

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Speaker 1: contract better than the that I think Jerry Jones knows

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Speaker 1: he's stuck with these salaries and reputations, and bring Dak

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Speaker 1: back and see what you have. Yeah, it's McLevin. What

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Speaker 1: analogy I was thinking about? Drew Brees hurt his shoulder

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Speaker 1: and they drafted Philip Rivers at four and kept Freeze around.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason to pay Dak forty million and

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Speaker 1: still draft a quarterback? Just a seat, make sure he

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Speaker 1: of resources. Before I get ready to pay him forty

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Speaker 1: million dollars, I'm going to know if he can play,

642
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Speaker 1: and if he can play, I don't want to waste

643
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Speaker 1: a draft pick up there. Like you have other needs,

644
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: and if your offensive line is not going to be

645
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: what it once was, then I gotta I gotta make

646
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: a move. I can trade out of four and probably

647
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: have somebody go up who wants to get one of

648
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, and then maybe I can start to reload,

649
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: not rebuild, but reload the offensive line. But I just

650
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: have question marks about what kind of effort does that

651
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: Dallas team put forward I mean this is they've given

652
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: up two hundred and ninety yards twice this year and

653
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: again last night in the Cleveland Browns. They've done that

654
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: one other time in franchise history. Mike Nolan's defense is

655
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: not working. Mike McCarthy is not the right guy for

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Speaker 1: that position. But I don't think Jerry is going to

657
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Speaker 1: make any changes with Mike McCarthy, and he would be

658
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: one and done. We wondered why he was brought in

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Speaker 1: the first place. As I said, when they brought him in,

660
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: it's not like he's a little bartie. You're bringing him in.

661
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, they could have stayed with Jason Garrett and

662
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: gotten this performance, but you brought in Mike McCarthy, and

663
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: you're like, yes, we got Michael McCarthy. Was anybody else

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Speaker 1: bidding for Mike McCarthy? And if I'm Jerry Jones, you

665
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: know what I do. I surprise everybody and I say,

666
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I want to bring in Eric B. Enemy as my

667
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: head coach. I'm gonna take him off everybody else list

668
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: because it feels like they're three or four, maybe five

669
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Speaker 1: teams that would bring in Eric B. Enemy. How about

670
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I go get him and I have him as my

671
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Speaker 1: head coach here with Dallas. I know it'll never happen,

672
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: but you gotta get something. You're stagnant, you're boring, you're irrelevant.

673
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Those are things you would never Those words you don't

674
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Speaker 1: attach to the Dallas Cowboys, but that's what they are. Yeah, mclub.

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Speaker 1: I can think of a Ray Ray coach whom be available.

676
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: He wears Khaki's Jim harm Harbaugh Dallas. Well, I've never

677
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: seen it written at all, by the way, No, no, no, no,

678
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: I I but you know, I saw a report where

679
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: five teams are interested in Jim Harball if he decides

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00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: he goes to the NFL. I don't know if one

681
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: of those teams would be doubted. Would the Detroit Lions

682
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: be interested in Jim Harball? I mean that that would

683
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: be the ultimate. Hey, he's not going to coach at Michigan,

684
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: but he's staying in the state. He's going to be

685
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions head coach. He has Poe going back

686
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: to the draft. The draft order right now after the

687
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: last night's game is Jets number one, Jacksonville two, Cincinnati three.

688
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: They don't need a quarterback. Dallas right now is in

689
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: the fourth spot for the NFL draft, then the charters,

690
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: and then the Philadelphia Eagles in the sixth spot. Well,

691
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles got to decide what they have

692
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: on their own roster right now. But if you said, uh, well,

693
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: these teams can trade out of this, uh, Cincinnati does,

694
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: doesn't need it, Jacksonville does, and the Jets do, and

695
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: then you get to Dallas. If i'm Dallas, I can

696
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: use this to my advantage being really bad, get out

697
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: of there and then still be able to stockpile a

698
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: little bit. The Chargers don't need a quarterback. Philadelphia has

699
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Speaker 1: got to decide if they have a legitimate starting quarterback there.

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00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: Carolina looks like they would be in the market for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. What's Atlanta do with Matt Ryan? Houston doesn't

702
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: need a quarterback, although that pick goes to Miami Denver,

703
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Speaker 1: I don't know what Denver's doing. Washington, they would be

704
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: in the market for a quarterback. Detroit, Chicago, even San

705
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: Francisco's in there. I mean, there's a lot of teams

706
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: they're going to be interested in a quarterback. But you know,

707
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: with Dallas they need other things. Here's Mike McCarthy on

708
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys didn't do enough of last night. Three

709
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: hundred yards is obviously astronomical. You know, we have to

710
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: we have to get a quick turnaround, you know, just

711
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: when you you know, you feel like you're taking some

712
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: steps as a team. You know the the you know

713
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: the keys to the game. Where was stopping a round?

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00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: And we definitely get that done to night. Don't I

715
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: hear this every game? It feels like, all right, here

716
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: is John Harball, the Ravens head coach, on his star

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Speaker 1: quarterback Lamar Jackson. One thing you do know about Lamar,

718
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: You're gonna get everything he's got, you know, and that's

719
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: really all you can ask for. He's gonna give you

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Speaker 1: whatever he has. And it turned out that he had

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Speaker 1: a lot tonight and that was good to see. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you could predict that. He came out to practice.

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Speaker 1: He looked good in practice. He h he was strong

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Speaker 1: and healthy. I'm just impressed in the fact that he

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00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: was on top of the game plan so well. He'd

726
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: been studying obviously the whole time he's away. And he

727
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: played a great football game. Yeah he did. But it

728
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: helps if you have a Dallas defense that is clueless

729
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: because when I can play the role of amateur Tony

730
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Speaker 1: Romo watching the game and going, Oh, Lamar's gonna run. Third,

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Speaker 1: Lamar's gonna run. If I know, I would think that

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Speaker 1: the Dallas defense would know as well. I'm gonna let

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Speaker 1: Lamar jack If Lamar Jackson beats me with his arm, okay,

734
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Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna let him beat me with his legs,

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Speaker 1: where he's far more valuable. Yes, I'm just impressed he

736
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: knew the game plan so well? What is that? Like? Yeah,

737
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: isn't that kind of what you expect from your quarterback? Like? Hey,

738
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: how about him? He knew what we were doing this week?

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00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: That was impressive? Like what that didn't sound like much

740
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Speaker 1: of a compliment to me. Jerry Jones on Tuesday morning

741
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: did his weekly interview on one oh five point three

742
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Speaker 1: the Fan in Dallas, and I had some things to say.

743
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: He talked about how Washington and the Giants are playing

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00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: well and what that means to Jerry Jones and the Cowboy.

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00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: I think it's an encouraging sign, Mike, to see these teams,

746
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: these new coaches, these new staffs, new if you will,

747
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: directions that they're going and see them playing some better

748
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: football as we saw the last two or three days

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Speaker 1: I'm not interested in Jerry Jones necessarily Tuesday morning. I'm

750
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: really interested in Jerry Jones on Wednesday morning. That's when

751
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: I want to hear from Jerry Jones. Here's Jerry talking

752
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott moving forward with his running skills. I've

753
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: always handicapped to some degree Dak because of the fact

754
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: that he's so effective and has been in his career

755
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: in the running, in the running game, and his ability

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00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: to take it down and get the big play and

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00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: get the yards. I've always known that he could do

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00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: that like that for long in the NFL. All right,

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00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: thank you, Jerry. The Dutton's or Back Yellowstone season three,

760
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,920
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Speaker 1: on Peacock. Get some phone calls in here. By the way,

764
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: he was one of the stars on Election Night NBC

765
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: News political correspondent Steve Karnaki, and he was a star

766
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: in Football Night in America this past Sunday. As he

767
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: was looking at teams, you know, there were teams that

768
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: look like they have a better chance of making the playoffs.

769
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: And Steve's job is to look at the odds and

770
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: the percentages, and he had some teams that aren't in

771
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: the playoff picture right now, but he feels like they

772
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: have a better chance than some of those who are in.

773
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: And he'll join us coming up. Also, Paul Feinbaum from

774
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: the Mothership will join us a little bit later on

775
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: with what's going on with college football? Yeah, Paul, you know,

776
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Steve Cornaki is kind of like mclovin's bit, where but

777
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: when Steve Cornaki does it, everything goes right, and everything

778
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: is smooth, and the TV works and all the things

779
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: he swipes they work perfectly. Mcloven If he were the

780
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: guy going through the playoff thing, the TV would fall over,

781
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: he'd have the wrong you hit like the CFL logos

782
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: up there, And that's the only difference between the two.

783
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: They both know it, but it would go totally different.

784
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Speaker 1: So he'll join us coming in some phone calls. Here,

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00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: are we going to stay with the pole question mcleven

786
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: about Ohio State? Actually it's sixty four percent say no,

787
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: they're not okay with Ohio Stapy in the final four.

788
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: How about we do a question what's the next team

789
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: to take, who's taking the third quarterback? And list all

790
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: those teams you talk about, assuming the first two are

791
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: Jets and Jaguars. Then you listed all those teams, it

792
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: seems like there's seven quarterback needy teams in the top ten.

793
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious you people think Dallas, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit. Atlanta

794
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: and Detroit are interesting because I thought Detroit, you know,

795
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: if you had a more stable coaching staff, I think

796
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: they would have taken to a tongue of ioloah. But

797
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and his staff, from what I was told,

798
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: they knew they had to win this year. They were

799
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Speaker 1: going to be fired, and they got fired. As far

800
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: as what's going on in Atlanta, you're gonna have a

801
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: new head coach. Is Matt Ryan going to stay there?

802
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Julio Jones going to stay there? Do you rebuild? Do

803
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: you think you can reload Tampa and New Orleans or

804
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: the class of the division there? So I'm I'm not

805
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: quite sure. But also I wonder as we look at

806
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that are going to be out for these

807
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: big contract extensions, given what happened with Carson Wentz and

808
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: that contract, do I give a big contract to Lamar Jackson?

809
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Do I give a big contract to Baker Mayfield? Do

810
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: I give a big contract to Josh Allen? And I think, man,

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Speaker 1: I I buyer beware with what has happened with Carson Wentz,

812
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: because if you can't get the Colts to trade for

813
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: him or maybe somebody else, you're gonna be stuck with

814
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: that contract. Buffalo, it feels like they will extend Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: But but look at the going rate for quarterbacks. I

816
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: mean they're going to be getting at least thirty five

817
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: to thirty seven maybe even more a year. You want

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00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: to do that to Baker Mayfield? Do you want to

819
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: do that to Lamar Jackson? You want to do it

820
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen. These are questions that you're going to have,

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Speaker 1: these teams are going to have. But I think Buffalo

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00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: will do that with Josh Allen. I'm gonna guess Baltimore

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00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: will do it with Lamar Jackson. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna do that with Baker Mayfield. I mean it

825
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: might come down to how Baker performs this year and

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Speaker 1: how they do in the playoffs. Let me see a

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Speaker 1: couple of phone called Jonathan in Pennsylvania. Hey, Jonathan, what

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Speaker 1: do you have for me today? Hey dpe Hey, I've

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00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: been I've been a fan of year for on time.

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00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: And uh I got to say, you know, as we

831
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: talked about the Cowboys so many times and it's overrating

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00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: all that as the copy had myself. You know you

833
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: talked about Jerry Jones, Well he should think that he

834
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Speaker 1: should do for me. Jerry Jones ain't gonna do nothing.

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00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: He's Dynna. He's gonna do no moves, no nothing because

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Speaker 1: he is the owner and he is the GM, and

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00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: he's definitely not gonna do anything to help up the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys at all. He's he's the biggest, he has money

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Speaker 1: all all around. But he's never gonna do anything. Never well.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is, though Jonathan, he tries and sometimes

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Speaker 1: he gets into his own way. I understand that they

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00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: were taking Connor Cook, that was the quarterback they were

843
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: going to take at a Michigan State. They weren't taking

844
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. They were taking Connor Cook. And then the

845
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Raiders took counter Cook. They wouldn't even have Dak Prescott.

846
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Jerry the GM, Jerry the owner. They toyed with the

847
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: idea taken Johnny Manziel, Amari Cooper got one hundred million dollars.

848
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: You resign, re up Zeke Elliott. I mean those are

849
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: all Jerry's moves, and I can credit him for some

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00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: of the finds that they've had or that you know

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Speaker 1: they did draft correctly. But Jerry the owner and Jerry

852
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: the GM those are two different people. And Dallas paid everybody. Everybody,

853
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: everybody got paid, and then they weren't quite sure on Dyk.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about day Well, I don't know about Dak,

855
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: and then they waited eighteen months and here we are,

856
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Speaker 1: Yes the dang man. You can't figure out a way

857
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: to get the ball to either Ceedee Lamb or Amari Cooper, Like,

858
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it should be that hard to

859
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: figure out a decent offense with the weapons they are.

860
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what their offensive game plan is because

861
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: it and I know Andy Dalton's in there, and it's

862
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Speaker 1: not Dak Prescott. It's not that far of a drop

863
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: off between Dak Prescott and Andy Dalton. Oh, I mean,

864
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: it's not like Joe Namath to Chad Pennington. Yes, mclumb,

865
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: how do you throw the ball to Ceedee Labor or

866
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Maury Cooper. When you're on the sidelines for eleven minutes

867
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Speaker 1: watching the other team gass you for any start to run. Run.

868
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: If you can't stop the run, your quarterback is doomed

869
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: because he never gets a rhythm. And by the way,

870
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Andy threw for three hundred last night. No big deal.

871
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: You're right, it was no big deal. Well, one seventy

872
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: within garbage time, but whatever. Yeah, we're not counting. It's

873
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: the only total number. No big deal, no, no big deal.

874
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: All right, let me take a break. We'll get two

875
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: phone calls. Got a lot of people want to talk

876
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: college football as well. Steve Cornaki, the NBC News political correspondent,

877
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: will join us and talk to him about his appearance

878
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: on Football Night in America, and he'll run the percentages

879
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: here of teams that maybe you don't think are going

880
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, but he thinks they have a

881
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: better chance than you do. Thanks for listening to The

882
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live

883
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,319
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884
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,480
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885
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,

886
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app

887
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: by searching f s R or stream us live on

888
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. Steve Cornaki is the national political correspondent

889
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: for NBC News MSNBC NBC News the election map Expert

890
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: and it feels like you became an overnight sensation, but

891
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: took you a long time to become an overnight sensation. Steve,

892
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. What do people say to you

893
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: when they see you on the street? Thanks for having me?

894
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: Happy to be here? Well, I guess one of the

895
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: things about life in the pandemic is you don't see

896
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: too many people on the streets. So the few I've

897
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: run into, though, yeah, the map guy, the numbers guy.

898
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: You know, still a few every now and then they'll say, hey,

899
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: it's Chris Hayes. So I still get that. How do

900
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: you become the election map expert? You know, honestly, it's

901
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: something I It's a role I kind of always wanted.

902
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: It's it's one that's kind of, um, I think come

903
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: into being in the last twenty years or so. It's

904
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: funny when I go back and look at I love

905
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: looking at kind of archive, you know, archive, news footage, archives,

906
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: sports footage. I like looking at stuff from the past.

907
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: I realized, you know, just twenty years ago, back in

908
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Speaker 1: two thousand, you know, Tim Rusher was here at NBC

909
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: and you know the famous moment in the two thousand

910
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: election when it all came down to Florida a couple

911
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Speaker 1: of hundred votes. Rusher didn't have an electronic board. He

912
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: had a he had a white board, and he just

913
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: wrote down Florida, Florida, Florida. And I think that's in

914
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian now, but I mean that was technology just

915
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. So this, you know, the idea of

916
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: having a board with real time data with numbers, it's

917
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: really come in the last ten fifteen years, but you know,

918
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: since it's kind of been around, I had my eye

919
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Speaker 1: on it, and I got lucky about it was twenty fourteen,

920
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: actually twenty fourteen. My boss here called me up about

921
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: two months before the election, said, hey, we need somebody

922
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: to do this. You think you could do something with it.

923
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I think I could. So that was

924
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Speaker 1: the start of it for me. How do you memorize

925
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: all the counties? You know, I think it's just good

926
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: old fashioned, you know, staring at it, memorizing it, repeating it,

927
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: pulling out the map trying again. You know, it helps.

928
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Speaker 1: I haven't been to all these places I've I've not

929
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: been to more counties than I've been to. But you know,

930
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Speaker 1: one thing in the last six years, I will you know,

931
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: I've vacationed in Ohio about two years ago, just to

932
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Speaker 1: learn the state, to learn the counties, to get a

933
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: better sense of it. That way, that helps, But obviously

934
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Speaker 1: I haven't done that anywhere. So really it's just it's

935
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Speaker 1: like cramming for a final. It's just memorization and repetition

936
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: in it. The memory kind of builds who's better on

937
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: the touch screen? You're John King? Oh, come on, he's

938
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: John King's the original, and you know nothing but respect

939
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: for him. And honestly, I haven't seen a CNN election

940
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: night since I've been doing this because there's no time

941
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: to watch it, so I'm not qualified to say you're

942
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of like um Lamar Jackson and he's Michael Vick

943
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: like he might have been the original, and then you're

944
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Speaker 1: an updated version of it. That's and he's still doing hey,

945
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Speaker 1: and Fox has someone doing it, and I don't. I

946
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Speaker 1: don't want to get into anything with anybody. I try

947
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: not to make enemies how did you end up on

948
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: Football Night in America? You know, I got a call

949
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: about a week after the election from my boss here saying,

950
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: the you know, the folks at NBC Sports, Um, you

951
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: know wanted to you know, talk to me. Had a

952
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: couple of ideas. I was very excited to hear that.

953
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: And you know, so we've been talking for about two

954
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: weeks before it, and um, you know came up with

955
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Speaker 1: the idea. I think you know that, Hey, this is

956
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: December in the NFL. It's it's when the playoff race

957
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: really gets serious. And I think there was a it

958
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: seemed like there really was a parallel there between road

959
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: to two seventy and an electoral map for a presidential

960
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: election and road to the playoffs. It's all about scenarios.

961
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: It's all about if this state goes this way, or

962
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: if this team does this. It really did seem to

963
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: be an over left there. What give me a couple

964
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: of teams that aren't maybe being mentioned as playoff teams,

965
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: but you think they have a better chance than maybe

966
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that we think are going to

967
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Yeah, I mean I don't know if

968
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: this is now two counterintuitive watching the game last night.

969
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: I know they were talking about this a lot, but Baltimore,

970
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there right now at seven and five,

971
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: would not be in the playoffs if they started today.

972
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: If you just look at their schedule, they get Cleveland

973
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: next week and after that it is three teams with

974
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: losing records, you know, so they've got a really easy

975
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: schedule down the stretch. It's not hard to see them getting,

976
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, to ten wins. And you compare that, like

977
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: to Miami, who would be in right now in the

978
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: sixth spot. You know, Miami a game ahead of Baltimore

979
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: in the standing sitting there at eight and four. Miami

980
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have a single game left against a team with

981
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 1: a losing record, I mean, starting with Kansas City next week.

982
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: So you know, the sort of the burdens on Miami

983
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: to show they can hang on to that position against

984
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: the kind of competition they're taking. And it just seems

985
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: like the opportunities there for Baltimore to leap frog a

986
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: bunch of teams here just based on that schedule. When

987
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: did you become fascinated with numbers? You know, it was

988
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: when I was in first grade. It was the I

989
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: could tell you it was the nineteen eighty five eighty

990
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: six NBA season. I grew up outside Boston. I would

991
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: go outside, get the Boston Globe every morning and read

992
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: the Celtics box scores and that was the best Celtics

993
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: team ever. That was the Big three Bird McHale, Parish

994
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and Celtics box scores that season. And then summer of

995
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: eighty six was the Red Sox. That was the you know,

996
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: with the Buckner year, so the Red Sox were a

997
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: thing that year. I got into baseball box scores and

998
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of started numbers for me.

999
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: And then a couple of years later, you know, kind

1000
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: of got into politics really about middle school and the

1001
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: kind of the numbers aspect of it too, I guess.

1002
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: But the pressure on election night is different. Like you

1003
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: can be on football night in America and you might

1004
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: make a mistake and it's football night in America. But

1005
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: election night, how much pressure did you feel? Oh yeah, yeah, no,

1006
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot there. And this year was this

1007
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: year was more intense because there's just this added variable

1008
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: this year of people were voting by mail, and we

1009
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: knew the people voting by mail, we're going to be

1010
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Biden. And the people who were going out, you

1011
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: know and voting in person at their precinct on election day,

1012
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: we knew that was going to be pretty heavily Trump,

1013
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 1: and there was just as variable as the numbers would

1014
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: come in from a lot of places of Okay, are

1015
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: we looking at votes that were cast by mail? Here?

1016
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: Are we looking at votes that were cast in person? Today?

1017
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: Are we looking at a mix of both? Because that

1018
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: that question and trying to be on top of that

1019
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: information was key to understanding everything that was happening, and

1020
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: that was just something there's no a certain level, there's

1021
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: no preparing for it, because we've never had that before

1022
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: in an election. And so yeah, I felt I always

1023
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: feel a lot of anxiety before these things. This year

1024
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: I felt about ten times more than I have in

1025
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: the past. How do you come off as unbiased? I mean,

1026
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: it's it's probably a cliche, but the numbers don't lie,

1027
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, at a certain point, and you know, I

1028
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: can if I if I have as it's true in sports,

1029
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: it's it's true cover in politics. If you're cheering for

1030
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: a team in sports, you know there's no denying if

1031
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: they they lose seventeen fourteen, there's no time left on

1032
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: the clock. Then they've lost the games over. You got

1033
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: to talk about the next game, you know. I think

1034
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: the same is true. And you know, covering an election,

1035
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: it wouldn't do me any good to be to be

1036
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, kind of push it to one

1037
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: side or to push it to the other as the

1038
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: numbers come in, because they are going to ultimately all

1039
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: come in and we'll all be able to see what

1040
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: it is. What happens if the touch screen goes down?

1041
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: What was the game plan? It's it's happened before. It's

1042
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: it's how I made the Tonight Show for the first

1043
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: time in my life. This this was in the twenty

1044
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: sixteen election. I was doing a segment and the board

1045
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Speaker 1: went blank, completely blank, but the writing function on it,

1046
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, with my finger still worked, and the cameras

1047
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: still rolling. Nobody's telling me to stop. So I'm like,

1048
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: I got to improvise here. And we were talking about

1049
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: sort of you know, road to two seventies. So I said, okay,

1050
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: I draw a crude outline of the United States and

1051
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: I can kind of talk about the different regions. So

1052
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I tried to draw the United States, and it looked

1053
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Speaker 1: like part of the It turned out it looked like

1054
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Speaker 1: part of the Mayo Reproductive. Jimmy Fallon noticed it. That

1055
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Speaker 1: was my first you say, overnight fame or something. That

1056
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: was my first taste of it. Okay, but how do

1057
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: you how do you react to something like that? I

1058
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: know you, I think you made majored in TV and

1059
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: film at Boston University, but you know, now I'm famous

1060
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Speaker 1: and I'm infamous, and so how do you process that? Yeah?

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00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: That it was the thing about that was like I

1062
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it till things started popping up online.

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00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: I really didn't think I had done anything, and then

1064
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: it was one of those was obvious. Once I saw it,

1065
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I see how how everybody saw that?

1066
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: And of course I was on with one of my

1067
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: colleagues here, Hallie Jackson, and I think you know, she

1068
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: was standing next to me the whole time, and you

1069
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: could see when you look at the tape she recognized

1070
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: and start. When something like that happens, my view is

1071
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: it's like just you know, just just to own it.

1072
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of stepped at it, and

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00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make excuses for it.

1074
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: I'll just you know, I'll laugh along with everybody because

1075
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of ridiculous. Well, it's it's best to grab

1076
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: it and own it before somebody else does. I always

1077
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: tell people then, and this has happened to me on

1078
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: numerous occasions, you make a mistake, own it, and then

1079
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: they then you take away the weapon that somebody else

1080
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: has when they're going to point that out. So you

1081
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: did the right thing where you just go, hey, I

1082
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: did it. I move on. Yeah, and I think you're right.

1083
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I try to do when when it's

1084
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more serious than a drawing like that,

1085
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, we've gotten numbers wrong, We've gotten you know,

1086
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: we'll get vote returns that come in and it turns

1087
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: out there's corrections and they change completely. And yeah, I

1088
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: do think that's key with the audience system in terms

1089
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: of credibility. Don't try to pretend if you if you

1090
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: made a fool yourself, don't try to pretend you didn't

1091
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: based on the numbers, who would you put in the

1092
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Can you do something that far out of projection?

1093
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: It's I guess this would be the Steve Cornaki gut

1094
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: numbers because I haven't seen the updated you know, we've

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00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: been our partners PFF Pro Football focused. I haven't seen

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: our updated numbers after last night, but just my gut

1097
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: on it would be Kansas City, you know, in the AFC,

1098
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, probably conventional wisdom at this point. Um,

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00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: in the NFC, I'm kind of like in the way

1100
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: green base plan right now. Okay, well, wait, is this

1101
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: based off anything or is this this is your gut

1102
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: this is this is my gut feeling, and it's a

1103
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: sense of where the numbers. I haven't seen the updates,

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00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: but my guess is between Pittsburgh losing, you know, Kansas

1105
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: City hanging out against Denver, my senses the numbers are

1106
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna shift pretty dramatically in the AFC. Here, give me

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: your favorite county in the United States. That's a good question. Um,

1108
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: my favorite county. Well, I got to be partial to

1109
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: Middlesex County, Massachusetts, m where I was born. Um, is

1110
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: our favorite name of a county that you loved? Saying

1111
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: there's Otagoby County in Wisconsin, which has one of the

1112
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: you know the funny Wisconsin has the best county names.

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00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: You know. Um, there's always you know where an Arbor

1114
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: is in Michigan, Washtona County. Um. You know, when you

1115
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: get to the Upper Midwest, I think you get a

1116
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: lot of those sort of Native American names, and you

1117
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: get those are the ones where sometimes I in my

1118
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: early days of doing this, I would call them when

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01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure in the pronunciation of the day of

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Speaker 1: an election, I would just call up, like the county

1121
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 1: clerk's office, just to see how they answered the phone,

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: and that would be my answer. Yeah, that's what's difficult,

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01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: is just making sure because I always point out that

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01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: there was a movie that Thomas Crown Affair with Pierce Brosnan,

1125
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: and they mentioned in the movie that somebody is from Lima, Ohio.

1126
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: Well it's it's Lima, Ohio. And if you're from that area,

1127
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: you're like, how could you screw that up? So you

1128
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: have to make sure you get it right. We might

1129
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: not know the county you're talking about, but the people

1130
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: who live in that county know the county you're talking about.

1131
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: The locals do, and some of them are very you know, counterintuitive.

1132
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: You got in like your San Antonio is in Texas,

1133
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: it looks like Bexar County. It's Bayer County b e

1134
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: x A R and it's Bayer County Allen. Took me

1135
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: a while to learn. Hey, congrats on the success there, Steve,

1136
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll see on football. Are you doing Football

1137
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: Night in America now the rest of the regular season? Yeah,

1138
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like we're going to do it through the

1139
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: through the rest of the season, you know, follow the

1140
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: playoff race. Look at the numbers change, and it's very

1141
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: excited for it. All right, just be careful what you draw. Okay, Yeah, thanks,

1142
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: I think I've learned my lesson there. Thank you, Steve.

1143
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: That's Steve Cornaki. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

1144
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday

1145
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on

1146
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and you can find us on the

1147
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the

1148
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: Peacock app. Paul Finebomb ESPN radio host and he hosts

1149
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: a show called the Paul Finebomb Show, which is convenient

1150
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: because he's Paul Finebaum, the voice of the SEC. Paul,

1151
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. What would you do if you're

1152
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State this weekend? I would call Michael Bougley for advice?

1153
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: UM I would hope that right now, Dan and you,

1154
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: I know you have a lot better sources in the

1155
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: Big Ten than either that the Big Ten athletic directors

1156
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: are currently meeting and and find a find a game

1157
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: for them. I think finding a game and I heard

1158
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned that a minute ago is better than just saying, Okay,

1159
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to play this weekend, but you're in

1160
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: the Big Ten championship game. Anyway, It really isn't that complicated.

1161
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't think this is you know, they're they're hanging

1162
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: on you know, Marlbury versus Madison is case law from

1163
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: two hundred and three years ago. I mean, they just

1164
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: they just they've made up everything they've done so far,

1165
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: so why not make up another week of worth of rules.

1166
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: But also I saw where on social media and some

1167
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: people suggested Ohio State in Texas A and M. And

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: I thought, well, if I'm Ohio State, why am I

1169
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: giving Texas A and M a chance to maybe leap

1170
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: from us if they would happen to beat US. Ohio

1171
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: State's already in the final four, Texas A and M

1172
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: is going to be on the outside looking in. Yeah,

1173
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: I mean, other than the fact that we all yearn

1174
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: for a quality football game this weekend, which we are

1175
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: not in the We're not going to be filled with that.

1176
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 1: In terms of voracious appetites. There really isn't a reason.

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: It's just for fun. Um, you know it's a play

1178
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: in game. But but you're absolutely right. Ohio State will

1179
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: probably be in the playoffs as long as they have

1180
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: a game next weekend and they'll either play Northwestern or

1181
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: Wisconsin or or someone h and at six and oh,

1182
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: they will pass Mustard. I mean, if the committee didn't

1183
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: think they were worthy, they wouldn't be number four, and

1184
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: that's where they are right now. Yeah, how do you

1185
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: see this playing out? I think we'll have a resolution today. Um. No,

1186
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: as far as the playoffs, so you're four teams do

1187
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: you think will be who? Yeah, I'm still thinking of

1188
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: Michael Bubley. And when I saw that Steve Cornaki was

1189
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: on before me, I'm kind of wanted to go run.

1190
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: So here's the deal, I'd say it's Alabama. I think

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01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: I think Clemson will be Notre Dame. So Clemson gets

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: in there. I think Notre Dame will still get in there,

1193
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: and it will be Ohio State, just just just like

1194
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: we ordered it before. The season. Can Florida beat Alabama?

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01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: I think it would take an extraordinary set of circumstances

1196
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: and I don't see that happening right now. Dan Alabama

1197
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: looks undetable to me. I mean they are. They are

1198
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: so potent on offense, and the biggest change is on defense.

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: After the All Miss game two months ago, they were

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: ready to fire the defensive coordinator. It looked like Saban

1201
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: was too, and they have really short up and gotten

1202
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: extremely stingy, and on top of that and it's just

1203
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: an embarrassment of riches. On the offensive side. Alabama has

1204
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: three guys that you could you can make a compelling

1205
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: case to win the Heisman Trophy in DeVante Smith, a

1206
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver, Naja Harris who doesn't who might as well

1207
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: be in Missing Persons right now, and the witness protection programs.

1208
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: You don't really hear about him at all, and he's

1209
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: one of them, may be the best running back in

1210
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: the country. And obviously Mac Jones, who is a co

1211
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: favorite with Kyle trast to win the whole thing. You

1212
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: start to look at this Alabama team and when was

1213
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: the evolution of the offensive side of things for Nick

1214
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: Saban Because he used to run the football and play

1215
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: great defense. But then it felt like, hey, he looked

1216
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: around and said, I kind of have to if I'm

1217
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: going to get these skilled position players and they all

1218
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: want to go to the NFL, and I'm going to

1219
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: compete with some of these other outliers in the SEC

1220
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: or playing great offense. Was there a moment where it

1221
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: changed for Nick Saban and his philosophy. Yeah, it came

1222
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: really around twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. Nick Saban thought he

1223
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: could influence the College Football Rules Committee and slow the

1224
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: slow the game down. The hurry up was killing him.

1225
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: His defenses were not prepared for it, and he lost

1226
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 1: a national championship that year on the famous kick six play.

1227
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: And he decided, you know what, I'm I don't think

1228
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: I can beat this, so I'm going to join and

1229
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: he hired Lane Kiffin. Uh, there's no getting around. Lane

1230
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: Kiffin was the reason Alabama entered the modern era in offense,

1231
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: and Kiffin changed. He helped him recruiting immensely. Kiffin played

1232
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: a huge role in into a tongue of Blowa coming

1233
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: to Alabama and a number of other players and then

1234
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: you know Kiffen from there, Uh, you know Sark came in.

1235
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: Brian day Ball, by the way, was it was in

1236
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: between and he was not particularly liked at Alabama, although

1237
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: he's now quite quite well respected in the NFL. And

1238
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: then Sark came back and just finished the job that

1239
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin started. We're talking to Paul Finbond from the

1240
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: Mother's Ship, host of the Paul Feinbam Show, the voice

1241
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: of the SEC. I know that, and I was told

1242
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: this by a source because I said, why don't we

1243
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: expand the playoffs this year? Given everything that's happened. Athletic

1244
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:46,959
Speaker 1: departments have been decimated. Now I get eight schools in there.

1245
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: I get, you know, maybe five or six teams that

1246
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: you're at least playing important games and maybe getting a

1247
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: chance to get in there. But if why would the

1248
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: SEC not be in favor of this? Because I was

1249
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: told that, and I thought the SEC could get half

1250
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: of the eight teams in there. Paul, it's true. But

1251
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: the men who run these college football Power five conferences, Dan, please,

1252
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down. I know you are their

1253
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: traditionalists and they do not like to change. I mean,

1254
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: I think we're pretty lucky. We have four teams right now.

1255
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: The way these guys operate things. And you're right about

1256
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: the SEC, but the SEC still has a legitimate shot

1257
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: at getting two in. They have three contending, they have

1258
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: one automatic, and you know they all see I mean,

1259
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: we watched last August, as you know, the five families

1260
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: of college football. The Dons could not agree on anything.

1261
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: You had the three conferences wanting to play, you had

1262
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: the two that didn't. And that is the dysfunctionality of

1263
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: college football. The simple things don't ever happen. And by

1264
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: the way, this was definitely the year to do it.

1265
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I will you could direct the question

1266
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: to my bosses at the Mothership. They they do have

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Speaker 1: a say uh in this altogether. But in the end,

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Speaker 1: dan uh, it should have happened, although I will say

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Speaker 1: the opposite, the underbelly of it is I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how well it would have worked, because I still think

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Speaker 1: the next three to four weeks is going to be

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: a challenge to get these games in, especially with a

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Speaker 1: game the semifinal game slated for the Rose Bowl. I mean,

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01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: right now, can you go out of your house in California, Yeah,

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01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: you might have to relocate to Arizona. The Festivowl would

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: be hosting the Rose Bowl as well. Would you rather

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Speaker 1: have Nick Saban on the show or Jim Harball? Jim Harball? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and I say that only because I've I've done Saban.

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's Uh, you've interviewed Nick Saban. I mean,

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01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: and he's the greatest coach of all time. But I

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: know what he's going to say. Jim Harball, I don't know. Um,

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01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. Uh. You know, Harba is just

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: one of the most complicated and interesting people in all

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: of sports. And not that he really says interesting things,

1285
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: but I believe you may know him. I have the

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01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to get together with him about two years ago,

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: set up by his brother in law, Tom Crean, and

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: there were some complications and it was my fault. I

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: couldn't get up there. I was in California working on something.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that I missed it out because I

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01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: really believe, deep down he's a fascinating guy. He's just

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: not a particularly good college football coach right now. Yeah,

1293
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: because that's always weird if you're like, our job is

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: not to have preferential treatment, like yeah, you're supposed to

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: see it and then say it. Not factor in, Well,

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Speaker 1: I do like this guy, and you've been brutally honest

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01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: about Jim Harbaugh not being a great coach or being

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: overrated or I don't want to I'm paraphrasing here, but

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Speaker 1: I've said it all. How awkward would it be? Though?

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: Like if I said, Hey, Jim Harball would love to

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01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: meet you, and he's going to be in the area,

1302
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be at the mother Ship and he wants

1303
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: to meet with you at ESPN, I would do it

1304
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: in a second. And by the way, you know, I'm

1305
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm in my sixties Nowaday, I've had a career of

1306
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: having awkward meetings with people that did not like me.

1307
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,839
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the first time, so I there there's

1308
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 1: a there's an art of the deal, so to speak.

1309
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 1: Not to recreate a bestseller from from the eighties and nineties.

1310
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: But I'm always willing to meet anyone. And you guys

1311
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: like us, we don't dislike people personally. It's just we

1312
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: say what we believe. It's it's not personal. What's the

1313
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: most awkward encounter you've had in this town? Uh? Interesting

1314
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,600
Speaker 1: that it was, Lane Kiffin. Um, I don't know how

1315
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: much time I have. I'll tell you this quick story.

1316
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: I was on college game day in twenty thirteen before

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: they played I think it was Arizona, and I said,

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Speaker 1: if if, if, if, if USC can't win tonight, Uh,

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01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: lane Kiffin should be fired. Well guess what. They didn't win,

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: and he was fired. And the next morning on a

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: sports center pretty much blamed me for the firing, and

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Speaker 1: I said he was the Miley Cyrus of college football,

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01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: and I mean, I got so. Two weeks later, I'm

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Speaker 1: out in the University of Washington doing game day and

1325
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: I find out a couple of hours the night before

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Speaker 1: that Lane Kiffin was going to give his first interview.

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: So I'm in the I'm walking the meeting and there's

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, and I was a little bit cautious, so

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: I just decided, screw it, I'm gonna walk over to him.

1330
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether he was going to throw a punch,

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: not that I was overly concerned about getting punched out

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01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: by Lane Kiffin, but I settled up. We ended up

1333
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: a coming fast friends. We started corresponding. He sent me

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Speaker 1: a Miley Cyrus song the next day, and uh wait, wait, wait,

1335
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: just wait, a Miley Cyrus song. Yeah, I see I

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Speaker 1: called him to Miley Cyrus from college football coaches, so

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Speaker 1: um uh and uh he uh. Yeah, he showed me

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Speaker 1: his personality. So I mean after that, I'm really not

1339
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: afraid of anyone. But I've talked to people that I've

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Speaker 1: called for for their firinges before, so it can be

1341
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: awkward even years later, but you know it. It does

1342
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: to quote the oldest cliche in the business, come with

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01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 1: the territory. Yeah, and there are times you say something

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Speaker 1: and then you have no idea why somebody's mad at you,

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: or somebody will say, oh, he heard what you said,

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, I spent I have three hours

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: a day, five days a week, and I've been doing

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: this for over thirty years. Chances are somebody's going to

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: be upset at something I said. You're Jeff, You're never

1350
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: quite sure if they heard it or somebody related to

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: and usually when they relay it to somebody, it's far

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01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: worse than when they hear it on their own. I've

1353
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: had people come at me from twenty five years ago.

1354
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. A coach that I wrote

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01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: an article about when I was a newspaper writer and

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: he was fired. He started attacking me at an event

1357
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: and I'm like going, I mean, buddy, this is this

1358
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: is at least twenty five years in the past. But

1359
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 1: you know to that person and it's really a lesson.

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: These things. They never leave you, although you know some

1361
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: of them probably could use some psychiatric counseling. Of all

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Speaker 1: the bases, though, what's what's the one that may be

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01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: most sensitive or makes you a little nervous. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: I saw most of my wife in Alabama, so I

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Speaker 1: would never come after the Crimson Tide fans or Auburn. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I have had more problems, um with Michigan fans because

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Speaker 1: they just seem like they're everywhere. Uh. And until recently,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've been two years ago. I was walking

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Speaker 1: down in Georgetown and a Michigan fans like came up

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: to me and wanted to accost me. Um. They they

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Speaker 1: they are in another world because Dan Michigan, Michigan. Even

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: though they haven't they won I think one and a

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Speaker 1: half national championships in fifty years. Uh, they still think

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01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: they're elite. So when you criticize hardball, and until recently,

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: when you when you criticize hardball, they took it so personally.

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: They still take it personally. But uh, you know, they

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01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 1: don't bother me as much. But but but they're probably

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: the most difficult fan base I have had to deal with.

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: These comments aren't going to help that situation. The good

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: news is I'm not traveling in Michigan. Yeah anytime soon. Yeah,

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01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: no reason to go there. Hey. Great, great to talk

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01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: to you, and thanks for joining us. As always, Paul,

1383
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: then it's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be

1385
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,479
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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,559
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1387
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,759
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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,960
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