1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From ufos to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I heart brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, My name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined, as always, with our super producer, Alexis, 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: you are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: week and it turns out it was prescient for us 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: to call this weekly segment strange news, because increasingly, and 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to date myself here, increasingly all of 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: the news sounds a little bit strange, doesn't it? We 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: are going to see some echoes of things we discussed 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: in our episodes over the years. In this week's segment, 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: we are going to learn about cheating, cheating in the 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: non romantic sense, by the way. We're going to learn 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: about proven evidence of a thing we suspected for quite 19 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: some time and that I have stated over the years 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: as though it were a matter of fact. Uh, and 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: then we are going to give you a bit of 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: what's called an earworm. Potentially an earworm is when songs 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: get stuck in your head. You can check out a 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: brain stuff episode on Youtube that explains the science of 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: what are called earworms. Um, that may also get some 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: songs stuck in your head. And if you have ever 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: had an earworm, if you've ever had a song stuck 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: in your head, then it's possible that at some point 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: it became like an invasive thought. It may have even 30 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: felt like torture. Do you like that? Your Attic? Pause? Guys, 31 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it subtle, but I want people 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: to hear the Italics and the ellipses. I'm on the 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: edge of my seat. Wow, and here comes the rest 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: of the story. Okay, so we're Gon. We're coming to 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: you from the Oklahoman, say publication out of Oklahoma. I'm 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: not gonna say what the title of this article is 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: yet because that just kind of gives it all away. 38 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna bury the lead a little bit. So here's 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the story. There is a man named John Basco. He 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: was an inmate of the Oklahoma County detention center and 41 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: he passed away. He died at that jail on Sunday 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: September eleven, this past Sunday, as we're recording this, a 43 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: week ago, as you're hearing it. According to a media 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: release that the jail officials put out, he was found 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: unresponsive in his cell just a little bit before four 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: a m in the morning, around three am, and officers 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: there who found him attempted to resuscitate him and then 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: emergency responders arrived. They attempted to revive him as well. 49 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: They were unsuccessful and he was pronounced dead at four 50 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: Oh six am. Now, according to the release, there's no 51 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: foul play suspected here. They are looking into whether or 52 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: not it was a drug overdose of some kind. So 53 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: this story isn't about someone getting killed in jail necessarily, 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: at least on the surface, but it is. Here's here's 55 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: one of the wrinkles. He was booked into the jail 56 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: on a drug trafficking complaint, let's call it Ory, you know, 57 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: a charge on Thursday, so he only lasted from Thursday 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: until Sunday at the jail. That is, you know, usually 59 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: not good, especially if foul play is involved. Right, that 60 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: means maybe somebody took him out, but in this case 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: maybe he got some kind of illicit substance while in 62 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: the jail and passed away. To do that. If it 63 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: was in fact a drug overdose, there's a lot to 64 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: look at there. Now, guys, that story is already like 65 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: M it's a little subs but not you know, there's 66 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,679 Speaker 1: nothing really to talk about here. A man died while 67 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: in custody. But there's more. See, this wasn't the first 68 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: time John had been in that specific detention center. Back 69 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen he was serving some time when he 70 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: alleges he and several other inmates were subject to a 71 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: type of torture that you were alluding to. Ben A 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: type of psychological torture, or at least harassment. I don't know. 73 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird how you classify it with language 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: in English right now it could be torture. It is 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: torture in this type of thing. Is Torture in many contexts. 76 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Um I would argue that in this context it is torture, 77 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: but I'm not a lawyer. He alleged, as well as 78 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: other inmates, that at several officers at that jail placed 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: them in a room, a room is generally reserved for 80 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: speaking with an attorney. Right you've seen those on television before. 81 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: Maybe you've seen the inside of one where an attorney 82 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: in an inmate can meet in private. Uh. They said 83 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: that once in there they were handcuffed with their arms 84 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: behind their backs and they were made to stand up 85 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: for hours at a time, up to two hours at 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: a time, while in these rooms, often with multiple inmates 87 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: in there at a time. And then a song was 88 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: played very, very loudly inside that room while they were 89 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: in that. You know, it could be considered a stress position, right, 90 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: if you're made to stand up. Oh, they were handcuffed 91 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: to the wall, by the way, so it was like 92 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: hands tied and against the wall. The officers, two of them, 93 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: played the Song Baby Shark extremely loudly for up to 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: two hours on a loop while they're in that room. 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Me Kill me. There are some people who who are 96 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: drowning out baby shark on their television or they're smart 97 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: home device. Also don't have a smart yeah, I'm gonna 98 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 1: say it's probably a tablet. It's just how it goes. 99 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: So all right, all right, guys. Well, let's talk about this. 100 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: First of all, do you personally consider that torture? Hearing 101 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: one song for an extended amount of time a very 102 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: high volume, at a very high volume. For it really 103 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: depends on the time interval, doesn't it? Uh, what is 104 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: an extended amount of time here? Not to answer a 105 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: question with a question, but are we talking one hour? 106 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: Are we talking thirty six hours? When you get we're 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: talking one to two hours at a time, one to 108 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: two hours at a time, and it's a relatively short 109 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: song that is pretty repetitive. With that time interval, you 110 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: could can sider that psychological torture. It would not be 111 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: to the same level as, say, earlier incidents involving the 112 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Barney theme song. Right for anybody dot in the US, 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: that's the big purple dinosaur that's been used in the past. Um, 114 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a move, but it's for sure 115 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: is that far? I mean, such a short song for 116 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: two hours will give you a non consensual version of 117 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: semantic satiation. So you could call it torture. And we've 118 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: certainly heard of occasions where, you know, prisoners of war, 119 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: I suppose, or you know detainees, have been kept up 120 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: for days on end with really heavy, loud like metal 121 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: music playing on a loop at incredibly high volumes. Um, 122 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: that's more like a sleep deprivation tool. This really is 123 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: more along the lines of psychological warfare and I would 124 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: definitely still it at this a war crime. Okay, so 125 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: the officers in question, according to their own statements, the 126 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: ones who were administering this uh, they called it discipline. 127 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: They thought of it and used it as a disciplinary tactic. Seriously, 128 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: they according to their own statements. Yeah, right, according to 129 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: their own statements, they said they didn't agree with the 130 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: way discipline was handed out, what types and and how 131 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: it was handed out there at the facility. And you know, 132 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: they're basically employees saying, you know, they're not doing this right. 133 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna show show you the right way to do 134 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: this and really show these inmates when they do something wrong. 135 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: And also guys. According to the District Attorney there in Oklahoma, 136 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: this was it wasn't torture, but it was, quote, inhumane discipline. Okay, 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: so it was inhumane Um, and he charged both of 138 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: these officers, as well as the lieutenant who was in 139 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: charge of these officers, who apparently found out about it 140 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: and didn't do anything about it. Uh, he charged them 141 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: all with misdemeanors. They were misdemeanor counts of cruelty to 142 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a prisoner and conspiracy copy quick so this is not Um. 143 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Everybody on either side of this case is clear that 144 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: this was not interrogative right, this was not enhanced interrogation. 145 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: They weren't trying to learn something from the people subjected 146 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: to this. They were trying to punish them for a 147 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: thing that they had done correct and this particular detention 148 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: center has had a real problem with I guess you 149 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: could call it discipline in the past, because the man 150 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: who died, John Basco, he was forty eight when he died, 151 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: by the way. He was the person to die while 152 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: at that detention center this year. Now that fourteen doesn't 153 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: sound like that. I have an a but for that 154 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: many inmates to die while at the facility, and it's 155 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: not like they were an old you know, someone who 156 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: had been in there for twenty five plus years and 157 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: they got their charges when they were in their fifties 158 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: or sixties. We're talking young, relatively younger, inmates who passed away, 159 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: and the majority of them, guys passed away, at least 160 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: according to, you know, the information we're getting from the 161 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: facility itself, they passed away from drug overdoses. So drugs 162 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: are getting into this facility like crazy. There's an article 163 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: from Channel Four, KFO R, from Oklahoma. They they've got 164 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: an article titled Fourteen Oklahoma County Detention Center inmates have 165 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: died this year. Toxicology report claims one quarter of them 166 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: are due to fentanyl overdoses. Yeah, and it's not just 167 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: fent Ayl, it's also methamphetamine and several other drugs that 168 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: are getting smuggled in at extremely high rates. So you 169 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: can maybe imagine and why those officers felt like there's 170 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: something wrong, but then they took it in their own 171 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: hands and did some horrible things. I don't know. I'm 172 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: trying to just see all sides, like what what is 173 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: happening here at this facility, because we can only see 174 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: from the outside right the big question is, I think 175 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: in everybody's mind, did John's death, when we talked about 176 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the very top, the man who died in his cell 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: on Sunday this past Sunday, September eleven, did have anything 178 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: to do with that? Twenty nineteen instance of inhumane discipline? 179 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: We don't know, at least nobody's saying. Perhaps one of 180 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: the major contributing factors here in that would be if 181 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the officers who had administered that were then at the 182 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: jail when John returned in two and the answer is no, 183 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: both of those officers were fired. Interesting. Uh, you're right, Matt, 184 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We Are we are outsiders working with 185 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: publicly available information and a person has died, which is 186 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: a tragedy. Uh, there is a strong possibility here of 187 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: iceberg situation. Right, if we know the place is riddled 188 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: with corruption, which which happens often. We've got a lot 189 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: of former former prison guards and former guests in the 190 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: audience today. Um, if it's riddled with corruption, which makes 191 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: sense because prison guards are often underpaid right and incentivized 192 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: to seek other income streams, then we can imagine quite 193 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: reasonably that there was something else there. So maybe, maybe 194 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: this is sort of a break in a larger case. 195 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: And again I'm speculating. I do not know for certain, 196 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: but it sounds like there is stuff they don't want 197 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: you to know regarding this jail system in particular. And 198 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: so I'm wondering, then, if the person, if the victim 199 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: in question, Basco, has been known to struggle with addiction. 200 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what else this person may have seen. Right. Uh, 201 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of the psychological torture with music. 202 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: It's super messed up. It is a real thing. Uncle 203 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: Sam has used it repeatedly in the past. That's public knowledge. 204 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: But it sounds like that might have been a convenient 205 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: hook to get the story into the public. And I'm thinking, 206 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: just guessing here, that there may likely have been something else, 207 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: perhaps some knowledge of other corruption that could have led 208 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: to a convenient death, knowing, as predators always do, that 209 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: a disadvantaged person is less likely to see justice done. 210 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: Mm Hmm, I agree. I had left out the title 211 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: of this initial article on purpose because there are a 212 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: couple of words in it that may change the way 213 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking about this whole case. Right now, guys and 214 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: everyone listening, I'm want to read that title now. Plaintiff 215 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: in Baby Shark Torture Case Dies Sunday at Oklahoma County jail. 216 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: And the reason why plaintiff is important. It's because this 217 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: plaintiff who died there, John Bascoe, sued the jail. He 218 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: was a plaintiff in a lawsuit that sued them and 219 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: that's what got those guys eventually in trouble and slapped with, unfortunately, 220 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: only misdemeanor charges. The ones who were, you know, inflicting 221 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: that discipline, um, but it also affected the lieutenant as well. Um. 222 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: Just knowing that someone is part of a lawsuit in 223 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: any way, it kind of raises suspicion if anything bad 224 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: happens to them, right, or at least at least, any 225 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: and all available evidence should be found and preserved a 226 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: s a p when something like that happens. Absolutely and 227 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: one other thing to add to the fire here. Uh, Matt, 228 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: I know you've been looking at this case. I've been 229 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: looking as well. There was a another federal lawsuit that 230 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: was stayed until the conclusion of the criminal case. So 231 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: there's a federal level lawsuit that was stopped in July 232 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and the next hearing for that was scheduled for September. 233 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: This person will not be there. MM Hmmm, I don't 234 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: like it all right. Well, for now, until new information 235 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: comes to light, we're just gonna kind of keep it 236 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: on the back shelf and wait for something to come in. 237 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: If you know anything, please contact us. We'll let you 238 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: know how to do that at the end of this episode. 239 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: For now we're going to listen to a few words 240 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, but we'll be right back with more 241 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: strange news, and we're back with more increasingly strange news. 242 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: This one comes to us from the world of chess which, um, 243 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: I think before like the Queen's Gambit came out, hadn't 244 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: really been making too many waves pop culturally speaking, I mean, 245 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: I guess there was like searching for Bobby Fisher. That 246 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: was the last big kind of like high stakes chess 247 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: film that I really remember from when I was a kid. Um. 248 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes it's looked at as as something 249 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: of a niche kind of world and and it's not 250 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: really something that you tend to ascribe too much controversy too. 251 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Until now. Again, that's not entirely true. There was the 252 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: instance of a chess robot snapping a young player's finger 253 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: because he made his move too quickly. That was the 254 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: last chess related strange news story I seem to recall, 255 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: but this one, it basically has got the whole chess 256 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: world reeling. Um. So if you're familiar with chess, I 257 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: mean there are a whole lot of household names in chess, 258 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: but if there were one, Um, it would be a 259 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: guy named Magnus Carlson, who is a thirty one year 260 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: old Norwegian chess grand master. Um. He is a powerhouse player, 261 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: has been since his early twenties. Um dominated the the 262 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: field of play, Um in in chess, in in the 263 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: professional chess competitive tour. I guess it's sort of like 264 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: a circuit kind of thing, with different Um competitions that 265 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: sort of lead to larger ones, sort of like you know, 266 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: golf or any other professional sport, you have these certain 267 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: tournaments that get established as like the the important ones 268 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: that lead to, you know, the highest stakes ones. And 269 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: the one we're talking about today something called the sinc 270 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Field Cup in St Louis. Um this is a a very, 271 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, high level tournaments where all of the best 272 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: of the best players come out to compete. Uh. There 273 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: is a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar reward, or purse, 274 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: I guess you could say, for a winning and Um 275 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: Magnus Carlson, you know, riding high on like a fifty six. 276 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I think match Shriek, obviously favorite to win. Um, he 277 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: kind of he's kind of the just the top dog. 278 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: There's really no one that can quite compete with him. 279 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: Um Fifty three rather, and this is a fundacition, is 280 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: a couple different interesting distinctions here. Classical matches Um, which 281 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: is a certain style of play, I guess, with a 282 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: certain set of rules. Then there are also non classical manches. 283 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: So he went fifty three Um matches without a loss 284 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: in in classical play. Um. But he did, you know, 285 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: he has lost a few times in non classical play 286 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not quite sure what the distinction is. Maybe 287 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: one of you guys are familiar. But there was an upset, gentleman, 288 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: a massive upset, a young up and comer from America, 289 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: a dude by the name of Hans namen. Um. He 290 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: defeated Magnus Carlson in classical play, Um, you know, and 291 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: every dog has his day, you know. It's not completely 292 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: alarming in and of itself for a champion to be, 293 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, dethroned. But almost immediately allegations of cheating started 294 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: swirling around Um. First of all, Magnus Carlson himself posted 295 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: this very cryptic tweet saying I withdrawn from the tournament. 296 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed playing in the STL chess club and 297 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: hoped to be back in the future. And then he 298 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: posted a clip that's been memed pretty constantly or consistently 299 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: over the years, of a famous I believe Portuguese football 300 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: club manager by the name of Jose Uh Marino um 301 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: who was involved in some sort of cheating scandal, I believe, 302 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: and he said something to the effect of if I speak, 303 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: I'll be in big trouble, and that's what he posted. 304 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: So the implication there, because of the association with this 305 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: guy in this clip, is that he doesn't want to 306 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: say what he knows. But his actions in leaving the 307 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: tournament really big deal. This guy doesn't do that. This guy, 308 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, he dominates. And then this this Guy Nieman, 309 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: responded uh in kind with the comments, saying it must 310 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to an 311 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: idiot like me. I feel bad for him. Woof a 312 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: self deprecation. Part just doesn't it comes off very disingenuous. 313 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: Feels like a real troll. And this guy is kind 314 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: of more of a product of like Gen z kind 315 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: of vibes. He is a really big twitch streamer. He 316 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: he pretty regularly streams himself playing competitive online, you know, 317 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: Chess Um. So he's not like, you know, doing call 318 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: of duty twitch, but he is. He is a twitch 319 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: streamer and has kind of a person, you know, an 320 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: online presence and online personality and I think there's maybe 321 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: a sense that he wasn't to be taken seriously as 322 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: a contender because of Um, because of this kind of 323 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: streaming type behavior just didn't seem like I think if 324 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: there's a sort of like a knows in the air 325 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of attitude. Um. So he does that. Then this 326 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: other guy, a guy by the name of Emil Satovsky, 327 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: the Director General of Um, of the International Chess Federation. Um, 328 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: he came to the tow to have magnus his back, Um, 329 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: and he said this. UH, he said, no matter how 330 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: this tournament went, Magnus Carlson never quit. He must have 331 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: had a compelling reason, or at least he believes he 332 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: has it. Don't call him a sore loser or disrespectful. 333 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: I shall not speculate on the reasons of his withdrawal, 334 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: but probably would expect t d to Air Them. Um, 335 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what T D is in this context, 336 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: unless I'm being a bone head here. Um. So he 337 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: goes further than this. Uh, the Internet kind of starts 338 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: going nuts, the chess world starts going nuts, all the speculation, 339 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: because it's pretty difficult to prove cheating in competitive chess 340 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's also just about is rare for 341 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: it to even, you know, pop up. Um. How do 342 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: you cheat at chess, you're asking yourself. Maybe, I think possibly, Um, 343 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: there are. There are a couple of ways in a 344 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: competitive game like this, in the same way a coach 345 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: might have mapped out a series of plays, you know, 346 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: in a in an American football game, they do that, 347 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, with with images, with like graphics, like on 348 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: a white board, or they could even be like in 349 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: some sort of like binder. Uh. The same thing is 350 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: true with the chess. You know, a lot of times 351 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: there's these certain Gab the Queen's Gambit, the name of 352 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: that show, is named after a very specific type of play. Um, 353 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: that they can be risky. I believe it puts the 354 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: Queen at risk to some degree, but I don't no, 355 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm no chess master, buying stretch of the the imagination, Um, 356 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: but there are all kinds of plays like this. Some 357 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: of them are are very famous, some of them have, 358 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: you know, they're a little bit more personalized to the 359 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: individual player. Um, but you could conceivably, you know, like 360 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: getting the answers to the test in advance. Somebody could have, 361 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, done a water gate and got somebody's play 362 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: place sheet and then you kind of know in advance 363 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: every move they're gonna make before they make it. Um. 364 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: So that's one possibility, probably the most plausible, because the 365 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: other one it's pretty bizarre. Um. There's this vice article 366 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: that outlines all this stuff. By the way. It's UH, 367 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: on motherboard by Carl Bode. The chess world is absolutely 368 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: losing it over cheating allegations after massive upset. Um. The 369 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: other way is through a device of some kinds, and 370 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: there is one proof of concept that anonymous maker has 371 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: has put out there that uses vibrations, uh, in a 372 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: some sort of like rumble pack kind of situation that 373 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: goes in a player's shoes that are like wirelessly linked 374 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: to one of these like micro computers, Raspberry Pie Zeros, 375 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: running an open source piece of software called Stock Fish. 376 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: It's a chess engine. Uh. That device would be hidden 377 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: someone in the player's clothes. Um. And in the write 378 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: up online about this device, the Creator said something the 379 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: effect of he was looking to recruit a quote, plausibly 380 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: good chess player to use the shoes to win the 381 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: world championship. And then was planning on making a more elaborate, 382 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: updated version, because he says this proof of concept only 383 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: needed to fool my mates in a pub for the 384 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: duration of two games. To win the world championships, we're 385 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: going to have to get much more serious. Uh. And 386 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: so that post has kind of started to be thrown 387 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: in Nieman's face as potential for how he may have accomplished. 388 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: This just goes to show how much stock is in 389 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: this dude, magnus, that that immediately he's beaten and and 390 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: and there's only possible way that another player could have 391 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: done this, especially a player that is lower ranked. Fellow 392 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: chess enthusiasts will assure you magnus is legit. He is 393 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: tremendously talented. He is the best living player in the 394 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: game today and it's a very old game, but he 395 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: could go he could go to bat. There's actually a 396 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: lot of debate about how we would perform against other 397 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: masters of the game. So it's, you know, it's it's 398 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: not quite the aime as uh, Michael Jordan's having a 399 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: bad day on the court. This is is very different, uh, 400 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we're talking about this today. Yeah, 401 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: and then then it kind of takes a bit of 402 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: a of a tawdry turn here. But some members of 403 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: the Internet chess community started speculating. Well, how how did 404 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: he get this device? Because again, now they're already assuming 405 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: that he has this device or something like it. Uh, 406 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: there were are F I D scanners, Um, leading into 407 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: and out of the areas of play. Uh. There were 408 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: what they call is these magnetometers, you know, like those 409 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: metal detectors that you walk through, Um, and this guy 410 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: passed through all of them. And it may have been 411 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: that it wasn't until the loss that they put some 412 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: of these measures out. Um, a little unclear on that. 413 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: But again, the Internet chess community, I started to speculate that. Well, uh, 414 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: where did he put the device? Could it possibly have 415 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: been in his anus? Could it have been up his butt? Uh, 416 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: in the form of again, Um, trigger warning for adult 417 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: themes here for a second. Um, the idea that a 418 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: pair of a set of vibrating anal beads, which is 419 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: device used to, you know, stimulate the the prostate, Um, 420 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: could have been retrofitted wirelessly to do the same thing 421 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: that the thing in the shoe was doing, to vibrate, AH, 422 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: with certain coded messages that would allow the wearer to uh, 423 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: to you know, communicate with that, with that computer running 424 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: the open source chess engine. Uh. And you know, in 425 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: the king of the trolls, Elon Musk kind of poured 426 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: gasoline on this bye bye by tweeting about it. Um. 427 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: So now it's just kind of all out there this 428 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: idea that this this guy and Nemon had a cheating 429 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: mechanism in his prison wallet and Um, that is how 430 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: he defeated this undefeatable competitor. and Um, you know, he 431 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: has responded and saying that. You know, if all my 432 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: detractors are kind of, you know, making my point for me, 433 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: if they have proof, then then come out with him. Uh. 434 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just I really never expected that the 435 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: world of competitive chess to take such a scandalous turn. 436 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: I would say it's odd to me, looking at just 437 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: magnus's reaction of the statement that he made when he 438 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: decided to pull out of the tournament because his opponent 439 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: was nineteen. Right. His opponent was the lowest ranked person 440 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: in the tournament and he defeated the highest ranked person 441 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: in the tournament, which is not generally something that's supposed 442 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: to happen. But you know, with probability. Anything can happen. 443 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: It could have been it could have been this kid's 444 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: best game that he's ever played in Magnus's worst game 445 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: he's ever played. It's just it's some thing that could happen. Um, 446 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like I've seen any evidence that's been 447 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: alleged by anybody that this is actually what happened and 448 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: cheating was involved. There are some instances pointing to Nieman 449 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: having cheated at online chess, um, because apparently cheating an 450 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: online chess is a lot more common. Um. In the 451 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: same way, if you recall, you know, the documentary Um, 452 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: King of Colong, a fistful of quarters, I think it 453 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: was like Billy Mitchell, who was kind of the the 454 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: big bad you know, the hot sauce king or whatever, 455 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: and it turns out that he had manipulated his his 456 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: machine and the the frame rate Um for his online submissions, 457 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: which was part of the whole like you know qualifying 458 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: and like part of it was like, you know, onlines. 459 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: It was almost like scouts honor kind of Um, you 460 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: know honor system or whatever. So there is there are 461 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: allegations against this guy for cheating at online chess. M 462 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: But again, that's a far cry from walking into a highly, 463 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, monitored, Um high stakes competition with some sort 464 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: of device, you know, hidden on your person or in 465 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: in your person, I guess. Um. There was another really 466 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: good article on Uh Metro Dot Co dot UK that 467 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: was even talking about like what's the future of of 468 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: this type of of cheating? There's something called smart fabric. Um. 469 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: I think it's sort of like what, you know, was 470 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: his name, Lucius Fox, in the Batman, the Christopher Dolan 471 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: Batman movies. That's kind of how he described the material 472 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: used to make the back Cape or whatever, that it's 473 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: like the smart fabric that can go rigid or go 474 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: loose depending on, you know, how current is pumped through it. Um, 475 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: there is this idea of like, you know, more advanced 476 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: versions of these cheating devices that use smart fabric where 477 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: the clothing actually will vibrate against your skin and it's 478 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: something that, being undetectable, you could you wouldn't be able 479 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: to hear that, I guess. I would think you'd be able. 480 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: I would think you would as well, especially if it's like, 481 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, in your butt and you're sitting on a 482 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: chair and you know those those that it's it's like 483 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: definitely quiet when you're you know, these types of games. 484 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: They're very like, you know, tense. And Uh yeah, I 485 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: would think you'd be hearing like a boom, boom, boom, 486 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: you know. Well, in the shoes, the prototype of the shoes, 487 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: there has to be an input, right, because how would 488 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: the machine know what move it needs to calculate a 489 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: move against unless you input what move just occurred? Like 490 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: what your opponents? I wonder if it's a left shoe, 491 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: right shoe thing. And Yeah, I also don't understand. Are 492 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: you using Morris Code, like well, how are you, you know, 493 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: communicating this stuff? Um, you're absolutely right. There would have 494 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: to be some input based on the previous move set 495 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: that you would be able to communicate to the device 496 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: and then it would tell you what the best possible 497 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: outcome would be. Are there are the best possible, you know, 498 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: move would be, because you just have to clinch in 499 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: a certain way in order to give it inputs. I 500 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: guess that's very odd. And I mentioned Elon Musk, you know, 501 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: trolling this whole thing. He means he posted a augmented 502 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: quote from the philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer that says talent hits 503 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: a target and no one else can hit. Genius Hits 504 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: a target no one else can see because it's in 505 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: your butt. But this whole idea of the anal bees 506 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: literally just came from one dude on Youtube, and there's 507 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: this whole, you know, lore surrounding it already where people 508 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: are like writing like fan fiction versions of this, like 509 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: there's a whole. The real answer is actually elementary from 510 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: a reddit user named X X I trio. Magnus cheats. 511 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: He always had anal bees up his butt, maybe for 512 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: the past ten years. That's how he's been dominating the 513 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: entire field. But this is the accusing Magnus and do this. 514 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: That's how he's been dominating the entire field of play. 515 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: There was a slight dip during the time he played 516 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: Cariwana because he was so drunk he couldn't feel the 517 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: vibrations well and ended up losing the game. His team 518 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: decided to turn up the vibrations to Max and that's 519 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: how magnets survived the encounter. Uh, it's obviously some some 520 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: tongue in cheek kind of, you know, attitude about this 521 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: as well, but it is fascinating. And then, to answer 522 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: your question, no, real allegations and I'm also trying to 523 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: find specifics about this other dude in the online chess 524 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: allegations of cheating. But you know, a lot of this 525 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: is just kind of hearsay and, Um, trash talk. Well, 526 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: it's obviously when we can keep an eye on for 527 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: further developments because, you know, should true proof arise, I 528 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: want to know. I mean this is fascinating. It's like 529 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: this is the stuff of you know, Casino Heist Movies, Um, 530 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: but you know chess. So we'll take a quick break 531 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: and come back with one more piece of strange news. 532 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: And we have returned U. This is Um, this isn't 533 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: interesting development and it's a little bit of a vindication 534 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: that we teased at the top of the show. Now, 535 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: long time listeners, fellow conspiracy realists, you know that for 536 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: a number of years we have talked about dark money, 537 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: we have talked about the ways in which the powers 538 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: that be seek to manipulate things behind the scenes and 539 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: you know we're very conscious of the idea that the 540 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: US is a number one, well top five, agent of 541 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: chaos in the world. You have certainly also heard our 542 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: accusations and explorations of the ways in which Russia manipulates 543 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: politics behind the scenes. And often we were very I 544 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: would say, or at least for my part I was. 545 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I was stating this as fact, even when the US 546 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: government did not officially acknowledge the activities of Russia. Uh, 547 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: there's a strong argument to be made that doing so 548 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: might have put them in a, you know, throwing stones 549 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: glasshouse situation. But before we get to uh, this last 550 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: story for this weekly Strange News Segment, Matt Noel, true, false? 551 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: Russia manipulates other countries. What do you think? True? Nah, 552 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: you guys, show me the proof, man. All right, show 553 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: me the dark money. Yes, UH, fans, uh, fans of 554 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: Biblical Lore, will perhaps consider you a descendant of Thomas 555 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: the doubter there. So let us stick out fingers in 556 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: these wounds. You know, uh, the U S State Department 557 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: came out not too long ago and said something that 558 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: surprised me, and will quiz each other later on which 559 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: aspect of this is surprising. They said that s two 560 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen, so about eight years. Over the course 561 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: of eight years, they said, Russia has secretly, through a 562 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: variety of shell companies and proxies, spent a little more 563 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: than three hundred million dollars to influence politicians and other officials, 564 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: not just in the US, which can be sort of 565 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: the U S can be kind of narcissistic and self obsessed, 566 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: not just in the US but in more than a 567 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Baker's dozen of countries, actually two dozen countries. And this 568 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: statement came out from the Department of State. Uh, we're 569 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: working live. What they did was pretty clever. It's a 570 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: practice that you might find in the Confucius institutes that 571 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: are PRC Chinese backed things in the US. Uh, it's 572 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: also something that you see the US doing in Latin America. 573 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: This money was supporting think tanks which are wildly unregulated. 574 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: So three hundred million dollars, Uncle Sam says that's a minimum. 575 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: But what surprises you about that statement? If anything, does 576 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: anything surprise you, guys that it's that little amount of money. Ding, Ding, Ding, 577 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: me too, man, me too. And until we had, until 578 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: we had done some digging into political corruption and things 579 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: like lobbying in chapter of our upcoming books, stuff they 580 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Oh Gosh, don't black bag us. 581 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: We did plug it. Corporate overlords. Uh, until we had 582 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: done that, I always imagined incorrectly that it took a 583 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: great deal of financial Greece to move the levers of power. 584 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: Three million doesn't seem like a lot if we're talking about, 585 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: you know, twenty four different countries, but this has been 586 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: conclusively confirmed. Uh, the U S intelligence community now is 587 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: saying three dollars minimum. They don't have the flashlights to 588 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: find all the dark corners of the money here and 589 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: right now. This is so sensitive that there aren't a 590 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: ton of people going on record. In previous episodes we 591 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: had shouted out specific former individuals. We had shouted out 592 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: things that are all but official leaks from the US government. UH, 593 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: quick tip. If you're ever wondering whether the US has 594 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: authorized a leak that they don't want to be responsible for, 595 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: then you will hear it reported as a source close 596 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: to the Pentagon in the New York Times and stuff 597 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: like that. And it's a everybody in the government saying yeah, no, 598 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: it's fine to tell them, just like make sure you 599 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: don't get car bonded. I also like the one that's 600 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: like someone familiar with the situation. Yeah, yeah, that's a 601 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: that's a classic too, and you can't argue with the 602 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: golden oldies. I want to draw a special attention, for 603 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to read this, to a New York 604 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: Times article by a guy named Edward Wong. Russia's secretly 605 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: gave three under a million to political parties and officials worldwide. 606 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: So these streams of money are very hard to trace. 607 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: But the very powerful and when we think of three million, 608 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: which is absolutely a life changing amount of money to 609 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: the vast majority of the population, when we think of 610 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 1: that in terms of moving the world to better align 611 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: with your vision, it does seem like a bargain. But 612 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: we have to consider that that money moves in creative 613 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: ways and you would be surprised by how low a 614 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: price people sell themselves for if they don't see the 615 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: bigger picture. A lot of the folks who are getting 616 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: bought or influenced have no idea what the overall budget 617 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: is right like, if you pay somebody twenty dollars to 618 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: do something, you don't want them to know that you 619 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: have another five dollars if you really need them to 620 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: do it. Uh, this is stuff like Um for instance. Uh, 621 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: this is happening in Ecuador. It has happened in Ecuador, 622 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: it's happened in a couple of African countries in very 623 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: sensitive regions. It's, of course, happening in Eastern Europe right, 624 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: shout out Belarus. But when you when you see the 625 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: way it works, it's important to realize that a lot 626 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: of this isn't getting report. The US has been doing 627 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: many similar things, as has China and the other superpower. 628 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: But just just to walk it through, it's washing money, 629 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: false contracts, shell companies, a little bit of lobbying. Have 630 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: the ambassador give a gift to another ambassador, right, or 631 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: have them donate to a presidential campaign. And I hope 632 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: that's not too close for a lot of for a 633 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: lot of US listening in the United States. Russia has 634 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: relied on state owned enterprises and large firms that are 635 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: ostensibly quasi governmental or ostensibly private to move across Central America, 636 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: the Middle East and, of course, Europe. And when you 637 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: have a think tank, you know you can be in 638 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: the catbird seat. You can be someone who whispers power 639 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: and powerful thoughts to the throne. is like when a 640 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: cat goes yeah, yes, yeah, the temperacy is a is 641 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 1: maybe an anachronistic phrase, but if you understand that phrase, 642 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: just right in or find us on social media. The 643 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: issue here. Really, as dumb as it might sound, I 644 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: was trying to think of a current analogy. Their pain 645 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: influencers the same way that companies go to instagram and 646 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: try to touch people right and their influence is not, 647 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, let me convince someone to buy, you know, 648 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: this tummy flattner or this wrinkle eraser. It's let me 649 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: convince someone to do what I as Russia wants regarding 650 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: fossil fuels, regarding democratic rights, regarding whether or not to 651 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Ye a treaty. It gets pretty nasty pretty quick. And 652 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: the US government is now warning actively, not surreptitiously, which 653 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: they've been doing for years, but they are actively warning 654 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: the countries that they feel are under target for this 655 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: campaign to expel Russian intelligence officers. But that's kind of 656 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: an easier set than done sort of thing, like finding 657 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: the money. Tracing the money is already really difficult. Finding 658 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: the actual asset is also incredibly I mean, it could be, 659 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: it could be really difficult. You know what I mean? 660 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of Russian intelligence doesn't outsource 661 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: the way US intelligence might. The CIA just got smacked 662 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 1: for that, by the way, and they said, hey, maybe 663 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: we should do a better job vetting the folks we 664 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: essentially contract in all these countries. Yeah, you could do that. 665 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: That's probably good idea. But, ben this is elections as 666 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: well as this info and the combination of the two. Right. Yes, yeah, yeah, 667 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: shadow of Alexander Dugan, you've nailed it, Matt. The idea 668 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 1: is Um Russia's intelligence apparatus, and it's, you know, it's government, 669 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: which is essentially Vladimir Putin and his entourage are using 670 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 1: some sideline methods to make changes that are not immediately 671 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: apparent until there's a full aggregate effect. So all of 672 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe Latin America, the hegemonic backyard of the US, 673 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: starts voting for better bilateral relationships with Moscow. I know 674 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: this can sound a little bit boring, but I promise 675 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: it is not boring. Uh, when the wars go hot 676 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: and the bidenen minister ration is apparently in a little 677 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: bit of dissent right now. I mean the US politically 678 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: is in domestic descent because they're attempting to declassify more 679 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: intelligence about the activities of Russia, and this is something 680 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: to pay attention to. It's just for us and stuff. 681 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know it's it's a bit 682 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: of a validation and for a lot of our fellow 683 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: listeners as well, because you have to ask yourself. A 684 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 1: lot of historians are going to earn their Ph ds 685 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: in the future asking this question. Who Knew what when? Right? 686 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: The same questions about nine eleven are going to be 687 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: the same questions people ask about the current war in Ukraine. Right. What? 688 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: What did people know and not share? What indications existed 689 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: and was the were the regimes of secrecy that were 690 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: institute did were they helpful or were they ultimately harmful? 691 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: So we anticipate more information about this is going to 692 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: come out now. And yes, the world is unfair. I, 693 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: for instance, can't get away with a late fee at 694 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: the library and people are out here moving the world 695 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: to the low, low price of three hundred million dollars. 696 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: So maybe it's an episode. In the future will need 697 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: more information, but this is US walking you to the 698 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 1: edge of the rabbit hole. Dive in give us your take. 699 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, if you are Pro Russia, 700 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: would also love to hear your perspective again. The US 701 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: is often in a glass house when it accuses other 702 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: governments of doing shady stuff. Abroad. So that's all for today. 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