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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton podcast network.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You may have heard

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Speaker 2: about this United Auto Workers strike. Well, now Ford has

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Speaker 2: decided to halt moving forward with their battery plant. And

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Speaker 2: my guest today would tell you this is a good

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Speaker 2: thing because of the connection to the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 2: Congressman Mike Gallagher, who represents Wisconsin's eighth district and serves

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Speaker 2: as chairman of the Select Committee. I'm the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 2: joins me today. Welcome Congressman.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you here in the midst of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about this for a while.

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Speaker 2: This is called cattle. It came to Michigan. Even Governor

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Speaker 2: Youngkin said I won't have this in Virginia because I

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Speaker 2: don't want the connection to the Chinese Communist Party. But

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Speaker 2: Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, said no, no, we

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Speaker 2: welcome them here. We want Ford to be able to

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Speaker 2: partner with them. But now this snafu with the auto

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Speaker 2: workers strikings, it seems to have cost forward a little

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Speaker 2: pause on moving forward with plants in the state of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: But you would say this is a good thing. Can

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Speaker 2: you explain to us what your concern is with cattle?

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Speaker 4: Well quickly.

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Speaker 5: I think it's important to understand where cattle emerged from,

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Speaker 5: because I think it kind of provides a microcosm into

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Speaker 5: our entire fraud.

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Speaker 3: Economic relationship with the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 4: The original technology.

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Speaker 5: Was actually developed in America at the University of Texas

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Speaker 5: and then at MIT, and it was a company called

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Speaker 5: A one two three that received massive state and federal subsidies.

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Speaker 5: The Obama administration gave it millions and millions of dollars,

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Speaker 5: and yet it still found its way into bankruptcy.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about battery technology, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Battery technology company A one two three, and then Cattle

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Speaker 5: purchased the company, and then Cattle, because it has even

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Speaker 5: more generous subsidies from the state from the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 5: Party about four hundred million dollars in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 5: was able to survive and become really a dominant battery

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Speaker 5: company globally. So this kind of tells you everything you

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Speaker 5: need to know about what China has done to our economy,

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Speaker 5: specifically the industrial Midwest, like states like yours and mine

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Speaker 5: over the last two decades, which is because of a

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Speaker 5: mix of aggressive practices like intellectual property theft, because of

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Speaker 5: unlevel playing field with American companies, steal our best technology

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Speaker 3: Supply chains and critical industries.

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Speaker 5: So now fast forward to the present day and the risk,

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Speaker 5: and I went to Detroit and I met with Ford,

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Speaker 5: express my concern. The risk, in my opinion, is taking

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Speaker 5: Cattle's dominant position in the global battery market and making

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Speaker 5: it even more dominant. And you have to understand that

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Speaker 5: with that dominance, the Chinese Communist Party could weaponize it

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Speaker 5: going forward. Imagine if we found ourselves in a confrontation

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Speaker 5: So for that and many other reasons, I thought the

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Speaker 2: then when you actually threaten people's healthcare, everybody takes that

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Speaker 2: How did we lose that control?

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Speaker 5: Well, the story about rare earths is I think really

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Speaker 3: The United States and self defeating regulation.

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Speaker 5: Because the rare earths, if you studied the deposits internationally,

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Speaker 5: We have basically one national champion, a company called MP

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Speaker 5: We have enormous deposits for a lot of the critical

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Speaker 2: Well, are aren't they really getting these out of Africa

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Speaker 2: using children for labor there? I mean, because that's what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they're also using If you sort of examine

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Speaker 5: just my determination, that's the determination of both the Trump

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Speaker 2: How actually advantageous are solar panels because suddenly we're hearing

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Speaker 2: And are we creating what we're calling clean energy that

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 5: I've seen compelling analysis to suggest that if you examine

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Speaker 3: Better at all, for the environment.

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Speaker 5: Took me when you take into account the mining processes

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Speaker 5: if someone wants to buy an electric vehicle, that's cool.

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Speaker 4: I drove a Tesla once. It was very fun.

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Speaker 5: But I just don't think I, as a taxpayer or

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Speaker 5: that decision, particularly if there's not clear and convincing evidence

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Speaker 4: It's to invest in all of the above.

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Speaker 5: Policy that has to include nuclear technology. And the fact

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Speaker 5: is the left currently will not discuss nuclear technology. But

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Speaker 5: right now the Chinese are investing in advanced nuclear microreactor technology.

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Speaker 4: And if we don't wake up, we're going to find

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Speaker 5: End of that supply chain as well, in the same

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Speaker 1: That would start with invading Taiwan.

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Speaker 2: What does a war between the US and China over

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Speaker 2: On both sides say, oh, they're not actually going to

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Speaker 5: Well, first on the tendency for particularly financial elites to

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Speaker 5: We learned in Ukraine is that when dictators or are

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Speaker 5: and therefore it seems unthinkable. Oh, of course US in

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Speaker 5: What it would look like, in short, it would be horrific.

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Speaker 5: We fought wars in Afghanistan in Iraq for two decades.

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Speaker 5: One aircraft carrier is sunk in a war with China

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Speaker 5: over Taiwan, and it would almost equal the casualties.

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Speaker 3: Over twenty years of war in Iraq.

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Speaker 5: In Afghanistan, the financial implications would be severe.

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Speaker 4: We just did a wargame.

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Speaker 5: Look at since twenty fifteen, we've developed a nearly twenty

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We've heard a few different theories

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Speaker 2: We don't really know what's happening. Our taxpayer dollars are

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Speaker 4: They went to the G twenty and released a water down.

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Speaker 5: So I understand that skepticism, and I would say, no

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Speaker 4: The Ukraine's military, it doesn't get.

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Speaker 3: A blank check.

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Speaker 5: My wife doesn't get a blank Well, my wife gets

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Speaker 4: But so there needs to be robust oversight.

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Speaker 5: We need to have a full accounting of all the

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Speaker 3: Packages of clinical assistance.

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Speaker 5: The second thing I would say is I do think

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Speaker 5: I hate to be maybe rude or uncharitable to the

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Speaker 4: So I'm biased.

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Speaker 2: You know, I always find it fascinating to see all

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Speaker 2: offenses that happen in China. I mean, even if you

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Speaker 2: but even if you were a naive to the child

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Speaker 1: You saw what happened in COVID.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all have those images in our minds

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Speaker 2: with the guys in the full white outfits, and.

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Speaker 1: They're like, what happened to that person that gets thrown

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Speaker 1: in the back of a van? And you're like, I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's not funny, it's we really don't know what they

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Speaker 2: willing to actually dig deep into that. So I just

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Speaker 2: think I appreciate what you do every day. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: the fact that you talk truth to what's happening with

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Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party and the dangers the United States

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Speaker 2: of America, and honestly that you are willing to come

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Speaker 2: out and speak truth about what's happening in the White House.

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Speaker 2: So I thank you, thank you for being on the

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Speaker 2: podcast here today. Congressman Gallagher. We're going to catch up

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Speaker 2: with you again because I know more is going to

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Speaker 2: happen with these Chinese plants that are coming into the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was a real pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 5: I don't often say nice things about Michiganders, and I

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Speaker 5: have to remind you that Michigan stole the Upper Peninsula

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Speaker 5: from Wisconsin. There was a war between Michigan and Ohio

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Speaker 5: over Toledo, and Congress sold it.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Jackson, I was going to say, well, what did

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Speaker 2: you think we wanted Toledo?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, but we got robbed of territory that should

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Speaker 5: be Wisconsin territory. So I've made it my life's ambition

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Speaker 5: to take it back. That's my actual objective.

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Speaker 2: But there is a bit of a war still between

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Speaker 2: Ohio and Michigan. Not sure if you've heard it, but

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Speaker 2: it continues today.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: Might be just on football teas, but yes, thank you

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Speaker 2: and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, check out Tutordison

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Speaker 2: podcast dot com or go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time,

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Speaker 2: have a blessed ding