Speaker 1: Pushkin. I sit alone in my four cornered rooms, damning
Speaker 1: a candle. What I should let me dropped from shoodlike
Speaker 1: this field. Scarface is a Houston rapper with a gruff baritone.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most recognizable, respected voices in hip
Speaker 1: hop for decades now. He straddled the line between commercial
Speaker 1: and authentic, a dynamic that was once rare in the culture.
Speaker 1: Day by day is more impossible the cold. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm the one that's doing dope. I'll often drift
Speaker 1: when I drive, having fatal bolts of suicide. Scarface's appeal
Speaker 1: was his vulnerability. His graphic depictions of hood life, paired
Speaker 1: with a psychological toll that environment took on its residence,
Speaker 1: was groundbreaking. It got the attention of Rap a Lot
Speaker 1: Records CEO James Prince, who recruited Face to join the
Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys when he was only seventeen years old. The group,
Speaker 1: which also included Willie D and Bushwood Bill, were one
Speaker 1: of Rick Rubin's earliest rap signings for his post def
Speaker 1: jam label, Deaf American the main national news in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety when Deaf Americans distributor Geffen Records refused to release
Speaker 1: the Ghetto Boys music because of its violent lyrical content.
Speaker 1: Already square in the middle of the gangster rap era,
Speaker 1: the group's lyrics pushed the genre even further. They were
Speaker 1: tagged at the label Horrorcore, the rap version of an
Speaker 1: eighties slasher film. On today's episode, Scarface and Rick talk
Speaker 1: about how Face's recent experience with COVID was eerily similar
Speaker 1: to his classic verse on minds, playing tricks on me,
Speaker 1: and surprisingly, Scarface also talks about the Miranda Lambert song
Speaker 1: that makes him yearn for his childhood Texas home. This
Speaker 1: is broken record liner notes for the did You to Age?
Speaker 1: I'm justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin with Scarface. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling, man, I'm good man. How you doing good?
Speaker 1: It's so good Toe. You've been such a long time.
Speaker 1: I know it's been too damn long. Man. Looked like
Speaker 1: time been kind to you. Man. You're getting nice right either.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you? You You look pretty good to yourself.
Speaker 1: You look healthy. I'm getting there, man. I understand you
Speaker 1: went through a physical transformation. Tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: about it. I just decided that I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be big no more. I just like forty four years old.
Speaker 1: Rick and I decided that I didn't want to. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go through those health risks though, mars
Speaker 1: hart and congestive heart failure and and just being overweight
Speaker 1: old beasts. Man, it's a lot of things that come
Speaker 1: with you, you know, not taking care of your body.
Speaker 1: You're eating crazy. Yeah, how heavy did you get up to?
Speaker 1: I got up to two ninety one. Wow, I'm one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five them. But I also do die.
Speaker 1: I was just four days a week now because the
Speaker 1: COVID knocked out my kidneys. When did you have COVID?
Speaker 1: I had COVID February March of twenty And do you
Speaker 1: know how you got it? I have no clue. Man, Wow,
Speaker 1: did people around you have it as well? Or no?
Speaker 1: Nobody else had it? They wanted to keep me in
Speaker 1: the hospital in the small room when no, life's kind
Speaker 1: of like a solitary confinement. And I ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: just after down a stand in the hospital. Man. They
Speaker 1: had to toilet up under the sink and the you know,
Speaker 1: inside the cabinet. And it's just like I was in
Speaker 1: depending attention and I like being in jail, So I
Speaker 1: just scratched it all together. Were you able to go out,
Speaker 1: like did they let you out? I don't know how
Speaker 1: any of that stuff works. Okay, so you can leave
Speaker 1: on your own recognizant, I guess, but you have to
Speaker 1: sign a letter saying that you left against the doctor's orders.
Speaker 1: And I left and I just said, you know, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna die, and I'm gonna die at home, man,
Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to die in this box because
Speaker 1: that you couldn't even have visitors and not you can't
Speaker 1: even have this the hospital now. So these people that's dying,
Speaker 1: they died by theirselves and I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Mand So how long we sick for it? I was
Speaker 1: sick from the beginning of March until about April the seventh.
Speaker 1: I went to the hospital for my kidneys after that,
Speaker 1: but I ended up fighting the COVID. So when I
Speaker 1: first caught COVID, I couldn't breathe, and then as time progressed,
Speaker 1: I couldn't breathe and it felt like I had the flute,
Speaker 1: and it was like the flute times twenty thousand, and
Speaker 1: then my lung still up with water. And then they
Speaker 1: fight you the pneumonia. So that's bilateral pneumoonians, so they
Speaker 1: fight pneumonia. When they killed the pneumonia, then then the
Speaker 1: fluid arms around my heart. And then when they you know,
Speaker 1: fight that off then and then it attacks my kidneys
Speaker 1: and then it gets it knocks my kidneys. Wow. So
Speaker 1: how are you feeling in general now since that? If
Speaker 1: you ask me, how do I feel? You know, just
Speaker 1: in general, I'm cool. But the last and effects of
Speaker 1: the covid man, you know, like I hallucinate, Wow, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see things that aren't there when I was sleeping.
Speaker 1: You know, I could be in a dream, wake up
Speaker 1: and go get water and come back, go back to sleep,
Speaker 1: and be back in that same dream, in that same spot. Well,
Speaker 1: that would segue easily into us talking about a song.
Speaker 1: You always thought I was crazy man, but just a
Speaker 1: serious man. But seriously, you wrote a song a long
Speaker 1: time ago that tells the story you just told for real.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, Like it's it's it's coming in, it's coming
Speaker 1: to life. Yeah, tell me the story of mis playing
Speaker 1: tricks on me. So like my grandmother would always walk
Speaker 1: around in the house and miss play stuff, and she said,
Speaker 1: I guess my mom must be playing tricks something, you know.
Speaker 1: That's when a title came from. The song came from.
Speaker 1: You know. I wrote all three verses except for Willie's right,
Speaker 1: and originally it was the it was my two verses
Speaker 1: and didn't the one that Bill raps that was the
Speaker 1: original song that was supposed to go on to mister
Speaker 1: Scarface's back album, I don't you remember that? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I wrote it because, you know, that's what I was feeling.
Speaker 1: That's where my mind state was. I wrote a lot
Speaker 1: of music about dying back then, Rick, and it was
Speaker 1: because I guess I was a troubled kid, and I
Speaker 1: think that I think that writing was the only out
Speaker 1: that that I had, you know, because I couldn't talk
Speaker 1: to my mom. She didn't understand that. My dad, he
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was going through. So I just
Speaker 1: wrote io songs. It was therapeutic. I don't know how
Speaker 1: therapeutic it was, but I did write it. And it's
Speaker 1: interesting to talk about that song and that kind of
Speaker 1: song because it really was nothing like that before. In
Speaker 1: the early days of hip hop, the subject matter was different.
Speaker 1: And then when gangster rap came along, that was the
Speaker 1: next kind of level of hard was gangster rap. But
Speaker 1: then what you did was different than that and beyond that,
Speaker 1: and I guess people would refer to it as horror rap,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like gangster rap was more real life,
Speaker 1: street stories was yours were more violent dreams that were
Speaker 1: you know, more more like like horror movies and just showing,
Speaker 1: not showing, but just actually putting how you felt, the
Speaker 1: vulnerability that you felt, put that in the words and
Speaker 1: recited that and put those feelings you know, behind it.
Speaker 1: When Wow on the mike, you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I felt about it. I didn't realize I was
Speaker 1: doing something new, but I really felt like I was
Speaker 1: just writing my heart Rick, That's about it. Yeah, what's beautiful.
Speaker 1: You also have written emotional lyrics that you know, I
Speaker 1: listened to the lyrics sometimes that can make me cry
Speaker 1: because you could feel the emotion in what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And it's different than you know. For for the longest time,
Speaker 1: rappers were just presenting, you know, a hard face. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a front basically, and there was great power
Speaker 1: that you found in being vulnerable. And it was new.
Speaker 1: It is new. It's still new. Am Wow, that's heavy man,
Speaker 1: And you know, chip to be coming from you know,
Speaker 1: number the number one producer hip hop producer of all times.
Speaker 1: Do you realize you you rock the bells? Do you
Speaker 1: realize you run? Do you see this ship? Rick? Like
Speaker 1: you're a bad dude and you're a beast boy, You're
Speaker 1: a beastie boy, the game man. Like for a statement
Speaker 1: like that they be coming from d Ri Rubin. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's big man. Thank you for the kind words, sir. Well.
Speaker 1: I I love I've always loved music, and I've always
Speaker 1: loved your music. And I remember when I first heard
Speaker 1: the first thing I heard was the Ghetto Boys when
Speaker 1: it was still g h E T t O. Yeah
Speaker 1: you changed that, yeah, Rick Rubin actually changed our name
Speaker 1: from g h E t t O t g E
Speaker 1: t O Boys. Yeah, And I remember hearing it and
Speaker 1: feeling like this is the next Like this is a progression.
Speaker 1: This music hasn't gone to this place yet, and it
Speaker 1: felt revolutionary. And that's what always excited me about music.
Speaker 1: You know, I always try to make I always trying
Speaker 1: to make stuff that was the most interesting thing in
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, and as a fan and look
Speaker 1: for the and you know, look for that where's this
Speaker 1: what's exciting about music? And it's always when someone takes
Speaker 1: it to the next level. And your writing did that,
Speaker 1: And tell me if this is great. Always was of
Speaker 1: the belief that you were. Were you the main writer
Speaker 1: for the Ghetto Boys? I feel like you wrote a
Speaker 1: lot of lyrics, not just your verses. I wrote a
Speaker 1: lot for the bill. Will and I wrote a lot
Speaker 1: the bill. I see. You know Bill didn't write at all. Rick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he may have had a few ideas, but
Speaker 1: you know, mainly those ideas came from James and ourselves,
Speaker 1: you know, but Willie and I wrote the mass majority
Speaker 1: of the larrus f Bushwick. How did you meet Willie?
Speaker 1: By accident? James had heard of record from me caused
Speaker 1: scar Face, and he wanted me to do a few
Speaker 1: songs with the group Ghetto Boys. So we all went
Speaker 1: out to James's ranch. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: been out there. We went out there and we were
Speaker 1: locked into the dance with no transportation, no nothing, for
Speaker 1: like weeks at a time. He would just drop us
Speaker 1: off out there and leave right and we'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: we don't even know what we had, dude, how we
Speaker 1: want to get back to well, you know where we lived,
Speaker 1: so we were forced to record together. And when we started,
Speaker 1: it was Willie Bill billing the rapper. Yet I'm sorry
Speaker 1: it was Willie. It was myself, and it was a
Speaker 1: guy named Jukebox because Johnny C had left the group
Speaker 1: and we just started making music together and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it was no more juke Buck, so it
Speaker 1: was just me and will and then we had to
Speaker 1: write the bill, so it was us three. Now that's
Speaker 1: the ghetto boys that you ended up getting into an
Speaker 1: agreement with and distribution for YEA. And they called you
Speaker 1: Action then though I remember they always referred to as Action.
Speaker 1: I was a DJ. I'm probably a better DJ producer
Speaker 1: than I am a rapper. Rick I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how good you're all the beats, Ricked,
Speaker 1: I did a lot of those beachs man. A lot
Speaker 1: of people put their name on my beach, you know
Speaker 1: with me. But a lot of those beats, I do
Speaker 1: those beech Man, Yeah, yeah, I did a lot, a
Speaker 1: lot of those beats. Incredible. Did you know Mike Dean
Speaker 1: back from those days too. Mike Dean came in on
Speaker 1: this song that I did call street Life, and if
Speaker 1: I told you that I think that Mike is the
Speaker 1: best producer, i'd be lying. But if you ask me,
Speaker 1: is he the best engineer, mixer musician by far? I
Speaker 1: don't know old body better than Mike and mixing, engineering
Speaker 1: and and and master and all that that's seen him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But as far as like your vibe, like the vibes
Speaker 1: didn't come from Mike Dean, Like the grooves and and everything,
Speaker 1: those came from Mike, It O Joe and Beato and
Speaker 1: Tone Compone and mister Willie a few more people and myself.
Speaker 1: But Mike Dean made it sound great. Yeah, he's and
Speaker 1: he still does. He still does. I still work with him.
Speaker 1: He's incredible. He is incredible. Noe better. But I met
Speaker 1: Mike Dean back in nineteen ninety three through Beatop and
Speaker 1: then from nineties and the ninety four album we worked
Speaker 1: Throw together with Ino Joe, Mike Dean and I worked
Speaker 1: with n O Joe on that, on that Diary album
Speaker 1: and then the Untouchable album and then a couple more
Speaker 1: albums after that. We'll be right back with more from Scarface.
Speaker 1: After a quick break. We're back with Scarface. You meet
Speaker 1: DJ Screw, I did meet Dj Screw, but we were
Speaker 1: more friends than we were music partners, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I used to listen to his tapes
Speaker 1: that he would make, but I never wrapped it in
Speaker 1: their ciphers, you understand, because it was a totally different
Speaker 1: cipher from from from when I grew up jumping in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this was slowed down top and screwed. And
Speaker 1: I could say screwed because Crew didn't. Yeah, I put
Speaker 1: you up on something rig If Screw didn't do it,
Speaker 1: then it's not screwed because Screw is a human being.
Speaker 1: So if somebody's saying it it's chopped and screwed, it's
Speaker 1: not chopped and screwed. It may be chopped, but it's
Speaker 1: not screwed because Screw didn't do it. Yeah, if someone
Speaker 1: else did, it would be chopped and slowed down, but
Speaker 1: it's not screwed. Yeah, chopped and whoever his name is,
Speaker 1: but it's not screwed. Yeah, you know. And we took
Speaker 1: that real personal when people said, yeah, man, I got
Speaker 1: sore and so so and so screwed, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how did you get his screwed and screwed? In here?
Speaker 1: Like now, we're from the South Side we take screw
Speaker 1: Real series down here. I loved it. I remember that.
Speaker 1: What was it one am or three am? Three am? Yeah,
Speaker 1: three am, that's the one. It shout shied to kit
Speaker 1: Ki and fat Padding, big hawking is she and the
Speaker 1: whole screwed up click? Yeah that was good music. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For me, it wasn't about the rapping. It was just
Speaker 1: about the groove. The roof was crazy. Yeah, the gruel
Speaker 1: is crazy. Tell me about how did you come to
Speaker 1: write your book? You know what? I would say that
Speaker 1: the first part of my life was still on my
Speaker 1: shoulders at the time that my book came out, But
Speaker 1: once the truth about my life came out, I felt
Speaker 1: like everything was lifted off my shoulders, if that makes sense, Beautiful.
Speaker 1: It felt like I told you or I told the
Speaker 1: world everything that needed to be known about me, Like
Speaker 1: that was the first half of my life, and it
Speaker 1: weighed heavy on my weigh the heavy burden on my
Speaker 1: shoulders because it was a lot of stories that needed
Speaker 1: to be told. That's like the theory of confessional, you know,
Speaker 1: in church pretty much it was a confessional time, you know. Yeah, Beautiful,
Speaker 1: do you have any kind of religious or spiritual beliefs
Speaker 1: or connection. You know, I'll just believe in God now.
Speaker 1: I believe it. You know, you can. You can break
Speaker 1: it down into a gang if you want to, because
Speaker 1: it's all religion is to me as a gang, you know,
Speaker 1: whether you Baptist, a Christian, or Muslim or whatever you
Speaker 1: as also there's always somebody that's willing to take that
Speaker 1: to the extreme. But are you willing to take God
Speaker 1: to the extreme? Like, I just believe it's bigger than me.
Speaker 1: I believe it's God, period, regardless what denomination you want
Speaker 1: to call yourself belonging to it. I just believe it's God,
Speaker 1: you know, Like like if you can see suspending in space,
Speaker 1: spinning on the ball with water stuck to a life
Speaker 1: growing from it, if you can show me a person
Speaker 1: that can make this happen, then you'll change the way
Speaker 1: I'm thinking from right now. I just only believe in God.
Speaker 1: I think more people had that relationship, the world would
Speaker 1: probably be a better place. Probably so beautiful. Tell me
Speaker 1: your first memory of hip hop period? Any any memories
Speaker 1: of hip hop? Originally, my aunt moved to New York
Speaker 1: in the sixties. She brought a brownstone in Harlem, So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a kid getting take from my cousin
Speaker 1: are going to New York when I'm a little when
Speaker 1: I'm a youngster and actually being a part of the
Speaker 1: original hip hop. So I know all about hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know, from Cool Hurt to Red Alert to all
Speaker 1: the casts that were DJ and Molly Mall and just
Speaker 1: all of that. So I think that my earliest visions
Speaker 1: a hip hop had to be like Curtis Blow Mode
Speaker 1: and what's the Battle and classic Battle busy Bee busy Bee,
Speaker 1: that Battle Breaking B Street. I think that when everybody
Speaker 1: was doing the Sugar Hill Gang, I was on Curtis
Speaker 1: Blow or something. You know, all kinds of stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: When did you first start the idea of writing instead
Speaker 1: of just listening? Had to be in a sixth grade man,
Speaker 1: you know what really turned me into really wanted to
Speaker 1: rap When Criminal Mind became out. That's when I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a rapper. When six in the morning,
Speaker 1: when I first heard six in the morning by his tea,
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to rap. That's amazing, you know,
Speaker 1: I see, I see inspired a lot of people to rap.
Speaker 1: It really did. Man, and he don't even know it,
Speaker 1: but you know, he to me, Ricky talked it and
Speaker 1: he spoke about our life. You know, six hit in
Speaker 1: the morning, police said at my door, fresh should be
Speaker 1: just across the bathroom floor. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're like you saw that. I was like, Oh, take
Speaker 1: him a lot, let's go. You know we saw that.
Speaker 1: Did you see the movie he made. I think it's
Speaker 1: called Something from Nothing. I ain't see that highly recommended.
Speaker 1: It really Something from Nothing. I want to check that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a story of hip hop. He interviews mcs and
Speaker 1: everybody raps a cappella and it's magnificent. Everybody. Wow, it
Speaker 1: will blow your mind. I wanted to take it out.
Speaker 1: Another early rap for me hip hop for me, Oh
Speaker 1: my mind, big Time was a song that he did
Speaker 1: called Reckless Incredible. It's different for IC because musically that
Speaker 1: felt like more of a It felt like more of
Speaker 1: a New York kind of beat, like New York club
Speaker 1: beat that eventually would have led to like Miami bass
Speaker 1: was sort of a derivation of that style. Um, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot of IC's records having that
Speaker 1: kind of tempo. Yeah, that's way back early iced Tea.
Speaker 1: That was back when hip hop sounded like that. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's early hip hop for me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds like when you think of breakdancing music. It's
Speaker 1: that kind of music that was nice to break dance
Speaker 1: too cool. Yeah, but I don't anymore. Did Bush with
Speaker 1: Bill joined the group originally as a dancer? Yes, he did,
Speaker 1: from what I understand, I wasn't in the group when
Speaker 1: he was a dancer, I see, no, But you know what,
Speaker 1: when I came to Houston and you guys performed for
Speaker 1: me and that we were in this little club and
Speaker 1: I remember he was dancing. Yeah, he was a dancer, man.
Speaker 1: You know. Back then, we just did what we thought
Speaker 1: was the best way to do our side of the story.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that,
Speaker 1: because coming from New York, it felt like, at least
Speaker 1: for a period of time, all of hip hop music
Speaker 1: being made was coming from New York early on, and
Speaker 1: then the first records I started hearing from outside of
Speaker 1: New York were coming from the West Coast. But those
Speaker 1: had a different sound, and we didn't really like him
Speaker 1: so much in New York, kind of like Egyptian Lover,
Speaker 1: you know, that that kind of stuff, And I feel
Speaker 1: like ghetto boys might have been the first group I
Speaker 1: heard from the South might have been. That's possible, not
Speaker 1: unless you you know, you had the Two Live Crew
Speaker 1: that makes the surface before the Ghetto Boys did. But
Speaker 1: for the most part, we were one of the first
Speaker 1: acts to come out of the sound for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I was aware of the Two Live Crew, but
Speaker 1: their music felt more like party music than I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it rap music, Okay, do you know that? That's
Speaker 1: how I heard it, Like, I heard it as like
Speaker 1: more like party music, whereas Ghetto Boys seemed like serious rap. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I'm in agreement with you one that Rick.
Speaker 1: We wanted to be respected by everybody, you know, New York,
Speaker 1: especially because we knew how difficult it was to break
Speaker 1: into that New York market, Like you could never get
Speaker 1: to record played in New York, you know New York rappers.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time we did the New Music,
Speaker 1: said Minard, back in the late eighties early nineties. We
Speaker 1: got booed. And we didn't get booed by the audience.
Speaker 1: We got booed by the other rappers that were in
Speaker 1: the audience, you know what I mean. Wow, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was rappers that were there at the New Music seminar.
Speaker 1: I gonna say no names, but it was rappers that
Speaker 1: were booing. And then you turn around and those same rappers,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years later, they was talking
Speaker 1: about getting money too, you know, those very same rappers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about our life as ghetto boys.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't we didn't have the five degrees
Speaker 1: of knowledge or you know, I didn't want to rap
Speaker 1: better than nobody else, to show my skills or compare
Speaker 1: myself to a to an anvil coming down on your
Speaker 1: head and and and cracking your head with this rap.
Speaker 1: We was talking about robbing your ass, breaking in your
Speaker 1: house and still in your card or you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because that was our life in sixteen seventeen
Speaker 1: years old when you met me. Uh Rick, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, that was my life. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back with more from Scarface. Here's the rest of
Speaker 1: Rick Rubin's conversation with Scarface. Was there much other hip
Speaker 1: hop music going on in the South that you were
Speaker 1: aware of? Not that I'm aware of, But I will
Speaker 1: say that I was the biggest Juice Crew fan ever.
Speaker 1: You know, I was the biggest LA fan ever from
Speaker 1: the biggest ice Cube in wa fan ever, Public Enemy
Speaker 1: fans ever. And then you take those all of those rappers,
Speaker 1: all of those influences, and you molded into one character,
Speaker 1: and that was me because I wanted those skills. I
Speaker 1: wanted that delivery, but I wanted my street rawness. Ye.
Speaker 1: You know, you take all of those mcas and then
Speaker 1: put a little bit of yourself in there, and you
Speaker 1: become one of the greatest mc is known to the
Speaker 1: hip hop culture. And I'm grateful for that. A lot
Speaker 1: of people say that about me, and I appreciate it. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: the also the lyricism and the content felt like you
Speaker 1: were coming from somewhere else, like you could feel it.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you were willing to talk about
Speaker 1: emotional stuff that other people weren't willing to talk about,
Speaker 1: and that was interesting. What do you think you found
Speaker 1: the I'll call it confidence to talk about really personal things.
Speaker 1: I have no clue, but I I you know, when
Speaker 1: I was in the fourth, third or fourth grade, we
Speaker 1: used to have I was in a writing class and
Speaker 1: reading class and the lady was teaching a speech and
Speaker 1: drama and teaching us how to rate. And she always
Speaker 1: said that you had to write your heart you know.
Speaker 1: And I add to that that if you write your
Speaker 1: heart and you're not crying when you're done writing your heart,
Speaker 1: then you didn't write the right ship. Wow, so you
Speaker 1: learned that in school. I learned how to write my
Speaker 1: heart in school. Thank God for school. If that's the case.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if that's where you got the idea to
Speaker 1: do that, I appreciate that I got the idea of
Speaker 1: writing my heart from school. Man. Yeah, it's funny thing.
Speaker 1: I never had a good relationship with school, but there
Speaker 1: are moments where the right teacher says the right thing
Speaker 1: at the right time, and it elis. I had a
Speaker 1: kindergarten teacher by the name of Missus Silva, and I
Speaker 1: was just talking to my buddy Marcus Reese about her.
Speaker 1: I was in the kindergarten. Man. I'm fifty now, okay,
Speaker 1: but this maybe had such an impact on my life
Speaker 1: when I was in the kindergarten until I still think
Speaker 1: about her from time to time. She used to come
Speaker 1: to school and she played the guitar for the class, okay,
Speaker 1: every day, and she would get out in front of
Speaker 1: those kids, man, and she would sing those songs that
Speaker 1: I had never heard before. But she would play the guitar,
Speaker 1: and I just knew that. I just knew I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a guitarist. I knew I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a musician. She had our attention for the first fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty minutes of class fam just by playing and singing
Speaker 1: to us. Beautiful, Yeah, beautiful. So you started playing guitar
Speaker 1: when you were young? Very wow? Yeah? My uncles, all
Speaker 1: my uncles played guitar. You know my cousin Johnny Nash, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just passed. I can see clearly now that Johnny Nash,
Speaker 1: that's my cousin. Wow. So we Channy grew up watching
Speaker 1: those people do their thing. Wow. And yeah, and all
Speaker 1: my uncle's a musicians. My mother is a singer. Musician,
Speaker 1: you know, my dad is a DJ, and my grandmother's
Speaker 1: a singer. So I just come from a whole music family.
Speaker 1: Did they understand when you got into hip hop? Because
Speaker 1: I know there was always a line where a lot
Speaker 1: of musicians didn't like hip hop. Yeah, they thought it
Speaker 1: was a passing phase you would eventually grow out of.
Speaker 1: Let the truth be told is still growing though. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about the new I always like I like new. I
Speaker 1: like new things. I love new. I like new, I
Speaker 1: like to I like to be surprised. I like to
Speaker 1: hear something I never heard before. If I want to
Speaker 1: hear something that I heard before, I listen to my
Speaker 1: old records. But I don't do a lot. I don't
Speaker 1: do that often. I'm much more often listen to things
Speaker 1: I've never heard before, whether they're new or where they're old,
Speaker 1: things that I never heard before, which which there's an
Speaker 1: endless you know, you can go back. I go genre
Speaker 1: by genre and just learned about whether it's classical music
Speaker 1: or jazz or just different kinds of music that I
Speaker 1: never listened to when I was a kid. It their
Speaker 1: whole new world's to enter, you know. I just found
Speaker 1: a new as not new as extremely old, but but
Speaker 1: it's it's new to me. I've been listening to a
Speaker 1: lot of country music lately, great, and I figured, like,
Speaker 1: if you ever had to listen to something that someone
Speaker 1: they really wrote their hearts, it would be country music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this lady would play his name. Miranda Lambert just got
Speaker 1: a song rig that's uh, the House that Built Me
Speaker 1: is the name of that song. That's that song right there,
Speaker 1: and it hit me so close in here, Yes, like
Speaker 1: I really understood that. I was like, Oh, I feel
Speaker 1: like that. I want to go to where I grew up. Oh,
Speaker 1: listen to what she's saying. That's the power of music.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. Like
Speaker 1: someone who you might feel like you have absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: in common with is sharing their truth and it could
Speaker 1: even be a personal story that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with you, and you can just hear the humanity in
Speaker 1: it and resonate with it and feel like this is
Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah, it's incredible, Rick, and I love
Speaker 1: music that that pulls that out. Unfortunately, I'm not really
Speaker 1: hearing any great good and let's understood. I'm hearing good
Speaker 1: yeah music, hip hop rep. But I'm not hearing great yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I don't. I don't look for it specifically, So
Speaker 1: the only reason I would hear it is if either
Speaker 1: someone turns me onto it or just come across it.
Speaker 1: And I would only notice it if if it excited me.
Speaker 1: So other than that, I listened to uh as they said,
Speaker 1: like trying to learn about other kinds of music I've
Speaker 1: never heard before, right, the rock the Bells, you know,
Speaker 1: both versions, the album version in particular, you knew you
Speaker 1: heard something great when you heard um Run DMC, dumb Girl,
Speaker 1: or something like you knew you heard something like phenomenal
Speaker 1: rock box, like oh damn. Like I'm looking for those
Speaker 1: records that the charist one uh nine millimeter goes bang
Speaker 1: the public Enemy, I'm looking for that. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I was thinking Rick since the room and had
Speaker 1: it that Rick Rubin didn't like Face and the Ghetto Boys.
Speaker 1: I think that we might just need to do a
Speaker 1: Face Rick Rubin record together. You never know anything's possible. Man.
Speaker 1: You do the production man, and you're not gonna play
Speaker 1: all the instruments too right, amazing. I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can rock out too amazing. You listen to my
Speaker 1: rock music, man. I love Megan Devi, I love Metallica,
Speaker 1: I love UM. I probably know more about rocking music
Speaker 1: than anybody you ever come in contact with. I go
Speaker 1: from Judas Priest to Molly Hate Too, Yeah, Boston, I go,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, led Zeppelin and all of that. How
Speaker 1: did you get turned onto it? So my uncle were
Speaker 1: in the rock and roll. So when I go to
Speaker 1: my grandmother's house, I hear a lot of rock and roll. Wow,
Speaker 1: back home to my mind's house. You know they were
Speaker 1: disco and jazz and stuff, reggae and all of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. My entire family is musicians, all of them.
Speaker 1: So you got it from all sides and from different
Speaker 1: kinds of taste. It's nothing better than that. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: kinds of music. Man from Andrea's bolling Wine. Did to
Speaker 1: you name it? Yes? When do you last? CEO? Willie
Speaker 1: D I see Willie all the time. Man, great something
Speaker 1: my love when you speak to them most definitely will
Speaker 1: feel well. I love seeing you and I look forward
Speaker 1: to talking to you probably this week then to see
Speaker 1: your bro. Thanks to Scarface for catching up with Rick.
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