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Speaker 1: Records CEO James Prince, who recruited Face to join the

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Speaker 1: of Rick Rubin's earliest rap signings for his post def

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Speaker 1: I'm justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin with Scarface. How are

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Speaker 1: It's so good Toe. You've been such a long time.

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Speaker 1: You're eating crazy. Yeah, how heavy did you get up to?

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Speaker 1: I got up to two ninety one. Wow, I'm one

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Speaker 1: You know. I wrote all three verses except for Willie's right,

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Speaker 1: You also have written emotional lyrics that you know, I

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Speaker 1: It is new. It's still new. Am Wow, that's heavy man,

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Speaker 1: Do you realize you you rock the bells? Do you

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Speaker 1: it's big man. Thank you for the kind words, sir. Well.

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Speaker 1: By accident? James had heard of record from me caused

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Speaker 1: Action then though I remember they always referred to as Action.

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Speaker 1: than I am a rapper. Rick I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how good you're all the beats, Ricked,

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Speaker 1: lot of those beats. Incredible. Did you know Mike Dean

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin's conversation with Scarface. Was there much other hip

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Speaker 1: And the fact that you were willing to talk about

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Speaker 1: I have no clue, but I I you know, when

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Speaker 1: writing my heart from school. Man. Yeah, it's funny thing.

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Speaker 1: I never had a good relationship with school, but there

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Speaker 1: are moments where the right teacher says the right thing

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Speaker 1: at the right time, and it elis. I had a

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Speaker 1: kindergarten teacher by the name of Missus Silva, and I

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Speaker 1: was just talking to my buddy Marcus Reese about her.

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Speaker 1: I was in the kindergarten. Man. I'm fifty now, okay,

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Speaker 1: but this maybe had such an impact on my life

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Speaker 1: when I was in the kindergarten until I still think

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Speaker 1: about her from time to time. She used to come

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Speaker 1: to school and she played the guitar for the class, okay,

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Speaker 1: every day, and she would get out in front of

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Speaker 1: those kids, man, and she would sing those songs that

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Speaker 1: I had never heard before. But she would play the guitar,

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Speaker 1: and I just knew that. I just knew I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be a guitarist. I knew I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: a musician. She had our attention for the first fifteen

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes of class fam just by playing and singing

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Speaker 1: to us. Beautiful, Yeah, beautiful. So you started playing guitar

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Speaker 1: when you were young? Very wow? Yeah? My uncles, all

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Speaker 1: my uncles played guitar. You know my cousin Johnny Nash, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he just passed. I can see clearly now that Johnny Nash,

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Speaker 1: that's my cousin. Wow. So we Channy grew up watching

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Speaker 1: those people do their thing. Wow. And yeah, and all

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Speaker 1: my uncle's a musicians. My mother is a singer. Musician,

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Speaker 1: you know, my dad is a DJ, and my grandmother's

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Speaker 1: a singer. So I just come from a whole music family.

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Speaker 1: Did they understand when you got into hip hop? Because

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Speaker 1: I know there was always a line where a lot

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Speaker 1: of musicians didn't like hip hop. Yeah, they thought it

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Speaker 1: was a passing phase you would eventually grow out of.

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Speaker 1: Let the truth be told is still growing though. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about the new I always like I like new. I

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Speaker 1: like new things. I love new. I like new, I

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Speaker 1: like to I like to be surprised. I like to

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Speaker 1: hear something I never heard before. If I want to

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Speaker 1: hear something that I heard before, I listen to my

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Speaker 1: old records. But I don't do a lot. I don't

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Speaker 1: do that often. I'm much more often listen to things

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Speaker 1: I've never heard before, whether they're new or where they're old,

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Speaker 1: things that I never heard before, which which there's an

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Speaker 1: endless you know, you can go back. I go genre

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Speaker 1: by genre and just learned about whether it's classical music

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Speaker 1: or jazz or just different kinds of music that I

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Speaker 1: never listened to when I was a kid. It their

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Speaker 1: whole new world's to enter, you know. I just found

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Speaker 1: a new as not new as extremely old, but but

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Speaker 1: it's it's new to me. I've been listening to a

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Speaker 1: lot of country music lately, great, and I figured, like,

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Speaker 1: if you ever had to listen to something that someone

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Speaker 1: they really wrote their hearts, it would be country music. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this lady would play his name. Miranda Lambert just got

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Speaker 1: a song rig that's uh, the House that Built Me

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00:28:33,716 --> 00:28:36,556
Speaker 1: is the name of that song. That's that song right there,

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Speaker 1: and it hit me so close in here, Yes, like

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Speaker 1: I really understood that. I was like, Oh, I feel

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Speaker 1: like that. I want to go to where I grew up. Oh,

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Speaker 1: listen to what she's saying. That's the power of music.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. Yeah, that's what it is. Like

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Speaker 1: someone who you might feel like you have absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: in common with is sharing their truth and it could

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Speaker 1: even be a personal story that has nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with you, and you can just hear the humanity in

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Speaker 1: it and resonate with it and feel like this is

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Speaker 1: all of us. Yeah, it's incredible, Rick, and I love

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Speaker 1: music that that pulls that out. Unfortunately, I'm not really

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Speaker 1: hearing any great good and let's understood. I'm hearing good

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Speaker 1: yeah music, hip hop rep. But I'm not hearing great yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't. I don't look for it specifically, So

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Speaker 1: the only reason I would hear it is if either

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Speaker 1: someone turns me onto it or just come across it.

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Speaker 1: And I would only notice it if if it excited me.

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Speaker 1: So other than that, I listened to uh as they said,

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Speaker 1: like trying to learn about other kinds of music I've

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Speaker 1: never heard before, right, the rock the Bells, you know,

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Speaker 1: both versions, the album version in particular, you knew you

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Speaker 1: heard something great when you heard um Run DMC, dumb Girl,

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Speaker 1: or something like you knew you heard something like phenomenal

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Speaker 1: rock box, like oh damn. Like I'm looking for those

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Speaker 1: records that the charist one uh nine millimeter goes bang

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Speaker 1: the public Enemy, I'm looking for that. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what I was thinking Rick since the room and had

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Speaker 1: it that Rick Rubin didn't like Face and the Ghetto Boys.

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Speaker 1: I think that we might just need to do a

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Speaker 1: Face Rick Rubin record together. You never know anything's possible. Man.

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Speaker 1: You do the production man, and you're not gonna play

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Speaker 1: all the instruments too right, amazing. I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can rock out too amazing. You listen to my

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Speaker 1: rock music, man. I love Megan Devi, I love Metallica,

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Speaker 1: I love UM. I probably know more about rocking music

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Speaker 1: than anybody you ever come in contact with. I go

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Speaker 1: from Judas Priest to Molly Hate Too, Yeah, Boston, I go,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, led Zeppelin and all of that. How

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Speaker 1: did you get turned onto it? So my uncle were

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Speaker 1: in the rock and roll. So when I go to

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Speaker 1: my grandmother's house, I hear a lot of rock and roll. Wow,

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Speaker 1: back home to my mind's house. You know they were

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Speaker 1: disco and jazz and stuff, reggae and all of that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. My entire family is musicians, all of them.

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Speaker 1: So you got it from all sides and from different

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Speaker 1: kinds of taste. It's nothing better than that. Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of music. Man from Andrea's bolling Wine. Did to

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Speaker 1: you name it? Yes? When do you last? CEO? Willie

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Speaker 1: D I see Willie all the time. Man, great something

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Speaker 1: my love when you speak to them most definitely will

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Speaker 1: feel well. I love seeing you and I look forward

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Speaker 1: to talking to you probably this week then to see

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Speaker 1: your bro. Thanks to Scarface for catching up with Rick.

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