Speaker 1: Hey guys, this week on the group Chats, we're going
Speaker 1: to change things up a little bit and it's actually
Speaker 1: going to be group therapy. Why can't we acknowledge that
Speaker 1: the guy who was never supposed to be here as
Speaker 1: an undrafted quarterback is not a reason this team is losing,
Speaker 1: but a reason that this team has been fairly competitive.
Speaker 1: And then as we preview this Atlanta Falcons matchup, we
Speaker 1: embarrass ourselves by trying to wrap Alex Arma is gonna
Speaker 1: whoop up on your grandma? Yeah, it's pretty bad. I
Speaker 1: think it's a grandmama. And we have this and so
Speaker 1: much more on this week's the group Chat. You've been
Speaker 1: added to the group chat with your friends Caroline, can,
Speaker 1: Max Sensen, and Will Brian the group Chat this week.
Speaker 1: I already feel like it has a different vibe. It
Speaker 1: feels different in here because are remember here is frustrated.
Speaker 1: Max looks a little vibe. You look a little it's intense,
Speaker 1: look a little angry. Maybe the rap music, you know,
Speaker 1: it was getting you in the mood here to get
Speaker 1: you ready to some some game time here we do
Speaker 1: we need to have a therapy session. That was bad.
Speaker 1: That was bad? Okay, do you want to do over?
Speaker 1: Can I do that again? Do not cut that from
Speaker 1: the final Oh god, I'm not doing it again. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna live with that one. I've done it better,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to try it again because then
Speaker 1: if I did it bad twice, then you only get
Speaker 1: one shot. Yeah, that's true. You can make a way
Speaker 1: one opportunity. Yeah that should be in a song. All right,
Speaker 1: you may have just redeemed yourself there. We are going
Speaker 1: to get to some embarrassing rap rhymes that we have
Speaker 1: written ourselves. But first we have to address something because
Speaker 1: when when I remember of the team is hurt or
Speaker 1: frustrated or I'm not sure what's going on in Max's
Speaker 1: world right now, but I can feel the tension. We
Speaker 1: need to talk about it. Somting Max, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm fine. We've talked about, um, Twitter being a dark
Speaker 1: place before on this show, I believe, and unfortunately, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's a large part of what I have to do
Speaker 1: on a daily basis beyond there and then obviously we're
Speaker 1: sharing news and stories everything milestone um. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just have to say I'm very frustrated at the
Speaker 1: moment with the reaction to Kyle Allen's performance, and they're
Speaker 1: being from a not everybody, but from a certainly a
Speaker 1: vocal segment of the Twitter verse out there that just
Speaker 1: immediately wants to compare everything he does to Cam Newton
Speaker 1: and and really tear down Kyle in the process, when
Speaker 1: from my vantage point, and I know from the vantage
Speaker 1: point of the guys that Kyle is playing with, the
Speaker 1: guy has done everything he possibly can to keep this
Speaker 1: team alive. I mean, to try to salvage a season.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many teams, if you were to say
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose their starting quarterback after Week two, are
Speaker 1: still sitting here in the fight for a playoffs? But
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think very many. But Kyle, who
Speaker 1: has only lost two career games, one of them being
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field in the snow against Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: the other two a team that just lost his first
Speaker 1: game the season, the Sancisco for Niners, I feel like
Speaker 1: is under such heavy scrutiny after every incompletion, after every mistake,
Speaker 1: and I just don't and maybe you guys can help
Speaker 1: me understand, I just don't understand why he's being held
Speaker 1: to this sort of impossible standard. And for me, like
Speaker 1: look I was, I've always been a big Camp supporter
Speaker 1: throughout his time, and he's taken a lot of heat
Speaker 1: throughout his career. But Cam Newton was not a perfect quarterback.
Speaker 1: No one is Aaron Rodgers. But the week ago had
Speaker 1: a hundred sixty one passing yards and a loss to
Speaker 1: the Chargers. He is the gold standard of the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: These these guys are not perfect. Why were we expecting
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen to be perfect? And why can't we acknowledge
Speaker 1: that the guy who was never supposed to be here
Speaker 1: as an undrafted quarterback who was benched twice in his
Speaker 1: college career, he's done nothing but overcome all of that
Speaker 1: and earned his way onto this team and into the lineup.
Speaker 1: And for what I'm seeing, his not a reason this
Speaker 1: team is losing, but a reason that this team has
Speaker 1: been fairly competitive of late. Do do people remember how
Speaker 1: the record of Cam when he started his first ten games,
Speaker 1: Cam started two and eight. We're not talking Kyle, and
Speaker 1: we're not talking about a guy who's been around for
Speaker 1: several years. We're talking about, essentially a guy who hasn't
Speaker 1: completed a full season of sixteen games. It wasn't drafted,
Speaker 1: and look, the fumbled snap a huge mistake, very costly.
Speaker 1: The interception in the end zone another one. Kyle owns
Speaker 1: up to that, but I don't understand why, Like, if
Speaker 1: we're going to expect him not to make any mistakes,
Speaker 1: then I just don't. I don't think it's a sensible,
Speaker 1: rational way to look at this. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that you know is going to be making
Speaker 1: some he's still learning and growing as a young quarterback
Speaker 1: in this league. But why can't if you're a Panther fan,
Speaker 1: get behind him and support him through that instead of
Speaker 1: this having to be a constant. Well, when he makes
Speaker 1: a mistake, now it's oh, well, you know that wouldn't
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened with Cam or if we have Cam,
Speaker 1: he runs it in on that two point conversion. They're
Speaker 1: not They're not the same quarterback. They're never going to
Speaker 1: be close to the same quarterback with their strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 1: So I'm just very frustrated with the fact that it
Speaker 1: seems like we can't get away from doing this, especially
Speaker 1: in from what I see in the in the Twitter verse.
Speaker 1: And I get that people are blaming the media, largely
Speaker 1: because this is I feel a media narrative that's can
Speaker 1: verse Kyle and people want to make a decision right now,
Speaker 1: is to what the future is gonna look like for
Speaker 1: this team. I think we got it. What was a
Speaker 1: Good Morning Football who just at a recent segment of
Speaker 1: whether Kyle Allen is the future of this team? And
Speaker 1: I get that that could be a fresh source of
Speaker 1: frustration for people who love Cam Newton, and I just
Speaker 1: think we have the power to kind of make our
Speaker 1: own decisions and we can watch this team however we
Speaker 1: choose to. And if I were a Panther fan, I
Speaker 1: would watch this team which is five and four right now,
Speaker 1: trying to beat Atlanta next week and remain in the
Speaker 1: playoff hunt, and get behind the quarterback who's giving you
Speaker 1: everything he's got and I don't think he's letting you down.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you expect flawless from Kyle Allen, then
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. But I think
Speaker 1: he's what he's done right now as what six and
Speaker 1: two as a starter in this league is he's giving
Speaker 1: you a chance. And we talk all offseason about wanting
Speaker 1: to see real football games, and we've got them here
Speaker 1: and these games count, you know, like they're in it. Uh,
Speaker 1: and so that's that that's that's been frustrating for me
Speaker 1: to watch this continued unfold because it just doesn't doesn't
Speaker 1: seem fair, doesn't seem sensible to me either. You know,
Speaker 1: who needs to come on here, seriously, listen, that's just
Speaker 1: the prerecorsite the Southern Mama coming on here. I'll say
Speaker 1: this about the Kyle Allen Cam Newton comparison. I think
Speaker 1: it's lazy because as comparing Kyle Allen and Cam Newton
Speaker 1: is very easy to do. Kyle Allen is closer to
Speaker 1: a Daniel Jones and Eli Manning esque type of quarterback
Speaker 1: in his presence in the way that you know, they're
Speaker 1: making fun of Daniel Jones coming with a book bag
Speaker 1: on like he's coming out of his like freshman orientation
Speaker 1: at college. And I think that is more toward the
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, whereas Cam Newton is very big personality, always
Speaker 1: running up, you know, to cameras and and and the
Speaker 1: kids and wanting that spotlight. And that's who Cam Newton
Speaker 1: is and that's why people have grown to love him.
Speaker 1: And he has this superman esque personality about him and
Speaker 1: Kyle just doesn't. That's not Kyle. He's you know, not
Speaker 1: that huge personality outside of the locker room. He's not
Speaker 1: going to be running out of the tunnel with his
Speaker 1: hands out like he's flying. That's just not going to
Speaker 1: be Kyle Allen. So when people jump on Twitter and
Speaker 1: compare the two, I just roll my eyes, like, stop
Speaker 1: being lazy. If you want to compare them based off
Speaker 1: of actual stats in the way that they're playing in
Speaker 1: the game and what they're doing, you don't have an argument.
Speaker 1: There is nothing there for you to do. So I
Speaker 1: think people are just getting called up in who Cam
Speaker 1: Newton is as a person. And we all love Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: He's done such amazing things for this organization and we
Speaker 1: are by no means saying that that's done. But it's
Speaker 1: just stop being lazy in this argument and comparing the two,
Speaker 1: because it is very easy to put the two of
Speaker 1: them up against each other and see their differences. And
Speaker 1: I just ever, I've I've yet to read a anything
Speaker 1: whether it's on you know here, it on TV, or
Speaker 1: read anything on Twitter that I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. I found a couple a couple
Speaker 1: of people came out because guy was getting getting into
Speaker 1: some back and force with people about this a little bit,
Speaker 1: and there was there were those I was like, oh, Okay,
Speaker 1: finally someone who I think gets it, because again, I
Speaker 1: think the frustration is not so much what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: It's the looking into the future, right It's the the
Speaker 1: hardcore Cam Newton fan out there is so you know,
Speaker 1: I guess uneasy afraid about this idea that the Cam
Speaker 1: Newton era might be over. And I think so, now
Speaker 1: Kyle then becomes the face of this demise and and
Speaker 1: look like I know that, Like that's something that's going
Speaker 1: on out there in the media. This is a discussion
Speaker 1: that's happening, and I think people are frustrated by that,
Speaker 1: and then they sort of take it out as they're
Speaker 1: watching the game. And so like then when I say
Speaker 1: something about Kyle Allen performing well, then it becomes well,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want that to happen because I
Speaker 1: want to see Cam come back into the fold. And
Speaker 1: so like that's sort of what's happening here. But no
Speaker 1: one's a bigger support of Kyle, the Cam Newton you know,
Speaker 1: this whole team. And again it's like months from now,
Speaker 1: we can have this discussion and this team will have
Speaker 1: discussions about what they're gonna do for the future, and
Speaker 1: they're going to take that necessary time before they have it.
Speaker 1: Right now, this team is trying to be in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the that's the reality of the situation
Speaker 1: is you're in the middle of the season and you're
Speaker 1: fighting for a playoff spot, and Kyle Allen's the quarterback,
Speaker 1: whether whether you like that or not, Like Cam's not
Speaker 1: coming back, I mean, he's on I R I mean
Speaker 1: he's not going back for the rest of the regular season.
Speaker 1: So this team has no choice but to get behind Kyle,
Speaker 1: and I wish that everybody could sort of take that
Speaker 1: same approach, but that doesn't seem to be something that's possible.
Speaker 1: I will I will say this in terms of the
Speaker 1: fans that are mad, quote unquote mad at the media,
Speaker 1: I think for the most case, it's overblown, except when
Speaker 1: you know we were were technically part of this. You know,
Speaker 1: we we write, we write articles on Panthers dot com,
Speaker 1: we tweet, We know that when you put Cam Newton
Speaker 1: in the headline, more people click on it. And it's
Speaker 1: gotten to a point now where every Saturday night, every
Speaker 1: Sunday morning, these morning shows, all of the morning news
Speaker 1: cycle is an update that's not an update like they
Speaker 1: are literally they're coming out with a new report, a
Speaker 1: new something of guess what, Camp's probably not going to
Speaker 1: play for the Panthers next year and it and it
Speaker 1: literally is like we're playing the Packers. He's been on
Speaker 1: he's he's on I R, he's still on IR. Nothing's changed. Literally,
Speaker 1: nothing has changed. But we're gonna do it again. You
Speaker 1: know what's next week going to be? We're gonna do
Speaker 1: it again and I do it. You know, there is
Speaker 1: you know, that sense of like people being triggered by
Speaker 1: this and they should, you know, maybe not be triggered
Speaker 1: by it. You know, I'll grant that, but it does
Speaker 1: kind of feel like there's just this feeding of you know,
Speaker 1: the media needs the clicks, you know, they kind of
Speaker 1: want to keep making that story be the story is
Speaker 1: Cam done? Is Cam done? Is Cam done? And when
Speaker 1: they're keeping there's no new news, there's nothing new. They're
Speaker 1: still just saying that what they said last week. And
Speaker 1: when Kyle does well, it seems like it's, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Kyle's it, He's got it well and then more years
Speaker 1: of Kyle Allen. Yeah, and then and so then of
Speaker 1: course that's going to rouse some people up who may
Speaker 1: not want to see that. And then when he makes
Speaker 1: a mistake, which I think is what really freshman is freshman,
Speaker 1: it's then proves that he's not the guy. And we're
Speaker 1: looking at a young quarterback who just went up to
Speaker 1: lambeau Field in the snow against Aaron Rodgers. And if
Speaker 1: you if you watch that last drive and don't have
Speaker 1: some sort of appreciation for the effort that went into that,
Speaker 1: and I know it wasn't flawless, but that's just that's
Speaker 1: kind of sad to me that, like, he goes up
Speaker 1: there against that team in those conditions and there's people
Speaker 1: who want to jump on him for kind of scrambling
Speaker 1: for his life at times and not being able to
Speaker 1: string some completions together. They get down to all the
Speaker 1: way to the two yard line, Christian comes up just
Speaker 1: inches short. I mean, that's that's a valiant effort. And
Speaker 1: if you if you don't feel that way, then I
Speaker 1: just we'll we'll never see eye eye because that's that's
Speaker 1: to me, the only way you can look at that.
Speaker 1: And people want to say you know some of the plays,
Speaker 1: you know, near interceptions, Aaron are just through in near
Speaker 1: interception Shack Thompson lay in that game, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like these guys the quarterback play in the NFL, watching
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and leading m v P Cannon against San
Speaker 1: Francisco for it and on it. So it's a horrible interception,
Speaker 1: like overtime, whether they're sending up position to win the
Speaker 1: the expectation that Kyle has to be perfect somehow is
Speaker 1: really what I think. That's the real source of my
Speaker 1: frustration is that, um, what we're expecting of this kid,
Speaker 1: at least some people out there. I just I just
Speaker 1: don't think. I just don't think it's fair. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about a Panther's team and the reason why they
Speaker 1: didn't win in Green Bay. If we're gonna put that
Speaker 1: all on Kyle Allen, please, Aaron Jones yard rushing, three
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the ground Packers rack up a hundred sixty
Speaker 1: six yards per carry. I mean, there are other things
Speaker 1: we can look at as the reason why Carolina did
Speaker 1: not come out victorious in that game. It's not always
Speaker 1: just don Kyle. I know, its quarterback driven league, but
Speaker 1: it seems to be that that's always where the attention
Speaker 1: is going. They lose a game, it's because Kyle and
Speaker 1: if if they would have had a healthy Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: And if they win a game, it's because of Christian McCaffrey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like when they why can't Kyle and Christian
Speaker 1: both contribute to win? You know? But that's just not
Speaker 1: the way I think a lot of us want to
Speaker 1: look at things. I don't know. I kind of just
Speaker 1: got me right now. You're ready to go. He's about
Speaker 1: ready to jump over the table. Can keep going for
Speaker 1: a while, but we can. We can. Bottom line is, no,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong. The bottom line is you can say
Speaker 1: that Kyle Allen is a good quarterback without saying that
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is a bad quarterback. And I think the
Speaker 1: first I think that's that's what it is. I see
Speaker 1: this a lot in female reporters, and it's probably the
Speaker 1: same with male reporters too. I'm just a female one,
Speaker 1: so that's all I know. But people on Twitter will say, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought this reporter was good until this reporter. It's like,
Speaker 1: maybe they're both good. Like you see this a louder like,
Speaker 1: oh I thought she was pretty until this girl came along.
Speaker 1: It's like maybe they're both pretty Like there's just there
Speaker 1: are things that can exist together. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what is happening here with this quarterback situation. Is good
Speaker 1: A job on Marty for having someone on this roster
Speaker 1: that he thought and the coaches thought and everyone thought
Speaker 1: could actually back up Cam Newton and not just be
Speaker 1: a roster you know, spot, And that's what you've got.
Speaker 1: So I kind of love that people get riled up
Speaker 1: a little bit just because it is this has been
Speaker 1: a long time with Cam Newton at quarterback, and so
Speaker 1: it is good that they're invested in what this team
Speaker 1: has been and may continue to. But Kyle Island is
Speaker 1: making a dang good run here being a starter in
Speaker 1: this league, whether that's for the Carolina Panthers or he
Speaker 1: ends up being trade bait if Cam Newton comes back,
Speaker 1: and all of those things. So just tight there and
Speaker 1: don't say anything that we will screenshot and later bring
Speaker 1: up to you on Twitter. Be careful out there. My
Speaker 1: last thing, I know everyone like everyone loves Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've enjoyed watching him. He's obviously transformed this franchise.
Speaker 1: He Kyle on his quarterback right now, and I think
Speaker 1: we can appreciate and if the fans out there love
Speaker 1: Am Newton while also rooting for Kyle Allen right now,
Speaker 1: I think you can do that. I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to choose one or the other. And that's just
Speaker 1: what I would hope to see happen as the season
Speaker 1: goes on. That's all. That's all I ask. You don't
Speaker 1: have to think Kyle Allen is it is getting the
Speaker 1: bus ready for him in the Hall of Fame. You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to think that. But if you're a
Speaker 1: Panther fan, you can pull for Kyle Allen this team
Speaker 1: to continue to win games while also being a big
Speaker 1: Cam Newton supporter. I think you can do that. You
Speaker 1: can have your cake and eat it too. Boy, Glad
Speaker 1: we got that off our chest. You know, I feel better.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Max okay, I think I do.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to therapy. Everyone that was really
Speaker 1: the group chat has turned to group therapy, and that
Speaker 1: was therapeutic for us. Max. Max literally walked in was like,
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the group chat this week. I've
Speaker 1: got something. I was impressive. I believe we went about
Speaker 1: twenty minutes there. So if you were still with us,
Speaker 1: thank you. Then if you're all riled up in your
Speaker 1: car now on Matt and taking a Twitter, thank you,
Speaker 1: it's Panthers. Max tweet at him, all right, we are
Speaker 1: going to get to this Atlanta game though, the Falcons
Speaker 1: coming to town off of a big win. Who expected
Speaker 1: the Falcons to be the Saint? Come on, we'll just
Speaker 1: raising his hand? Did not? Yeah, I was in the
Speaker 1: press box and I said, I really hope the Falcons
Speaker 1: beat this. I really hope they play well. I hope
Speaker 1: is different, but they are Listen, the Falcons didn't. It
Speaker 1: was one of those games where I heard the final
Speaker 1: score and didn't believe that it was the final score.
Speaker 1: How much time has left there? Like, no, the game's over?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, great? So what this does? It sets the
Speaker 1: NFC South even more ablaze? So what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: So a week ago, if our listeners remember, I said
Speaker 1: three of our ten things that the Panthers need to do,
Speaker 1: one of which was when the coin toss, I said
Speaker 1: they need to pick Hales tails. They didn't do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think Hales is an option. Hales is at
Speaker 1: an option might have been hales on but how many times?
Speaker 1: Has how many times in school did you like try
Speaker 1: and draw like and A that could also look like
Speaker 1: a B. So you know, what if what if you
Speaker 1: said hales and they're like, no, it was it was tails?
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I said that. I said that's what
Speaker 1: they were trying to do. Yeah, but yeah, no, they
Speaker 1: got it wrong again and Green Bay came down and
Speaker 1: scored opening drive a second half. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: insignificant that there were one in eight on coin tosses
Speaker 1: this year, and then the flags, the penalties that I mentioned,
Speaker 1: those were big and and honestly, I think after the
Speaker 1: recent results of the weekend, I still think the best
Speaker 1: path to the playoffs is through New Orleans. I mean, Minnesota, Seattle,
Speaker 1: they I mean they look good. Like these wild card
Speaker 1: spots are are going to be tough to get. I
Speaker 1: think it's through New Orleans. It is certainly it just
Speaker 1: the NFC South is is definitely more interesting now. But
Speaker 1: that NFC wild card spot is just fascinating. So what
Speaker 1: we're going to do to embarrass ourselves this week is
Speaker 1: become rappers. Because Atlanta, if you are not aware, is
Speaker 1: home to Gucci may ludicrous one Savage who else? So whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever we played in Atlanta, I would always be the
Speaker 1: guy on the bus like blasting Welcome to Atlanta, where
Speaker 1: the players play in the right I don't know, things
Speaker 1: like every day. Yeah, I would listening to like two
Speaker 1: thousand one Germaine du Prix because that is peak will
Speaker 1: that's I'm so on brand with that. And then Amy
Speaker 1: would hear it from across the aisle and just like
Speaker 1: lose your crap to yourself. You wouldn't even play it
Speaker 1: out loud as like a like a joke. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's like it's like on my my great Bows
Speaker 1: headphones sponsor. Okay, wow, well, well you have to go first.
Speaker 1: Then I'm not at all prepared for this cement, by
Speaker 1: the way, I was preparing for my soapbox segment. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was. I was just prepared to do Welcome to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: where the play playing at things like every day. We're
Speaker 1: leaning on Caroline for this one. I think, Oh man,
Speaker 1: I did. I did make up something on the elevator. Ok.
Speaker 1: When it was not good, it's not good. It's also
Speaker 1: on brand. Okay, Well, oh, I guess I'm going first,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna share it or now it was something
Speaker 1: about Alex Arma. Alex Arma was gonna whip out on
Speaker 1: your grandma. Yeah, it's pretty bad. I think it's a grandmama,
Speaker 1: and then says Armas from like near Atlanta. Are we
Speaker 1: trying to try to rhyme? I don't know, like Arma,
Speaker 1: it's hard to have wold you rhyme with Alex Arma?
Speaker 1: Why do you Alex Arma? I don't know, because I
Speaker 1: feel like Alex Armas from Georgia and he needs a
Speaker 1: big game. We need more Alex Arma in our lives.
Speaker 1: And no one told you you had to rhyme something
Speaker 1: with Alex arms Did you know he's actually now Alex
Speaker 1: Armor Jr? Okay, well, then Ryan's on the junior. What
Speaker 1: are you going to round with? JR? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Think about it while I'm doing it, all right. So
Speaker 1: here's here's what I came up with. This is going
Speaker 1: to be embarrassing. I'm not I actually announced in office
Speaker 1: if anyone was good at freestyle? Is anybody? No one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought I thought Connor might have said he might
Speaker 1: have been. No. So here's my first one. Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: all right, the Panthers have home field advantage against the
Speaker 1: dirty Birds. See if we can get some things to
Speaker 1: bounce our way, unlike against that team that likes cheese kurts,
Speaker 1: dirty Birds and cheese Cats. Yeah, because of those penalties
Speaker 1: that you mentioned, I thought the penalty against Jerald McCoy
Speaker 1: for roughing the passer was a shift in the game.
Speaker 1: I think I think that moment lost the game for
Speaker 1: the for the Panthers. It was a huge third down
Speaker 1: and there were other things. There were certainly other things,
Speaker 1: but I thought that was the cherry on top. I
Speaker 1: see your third and thirteen roughing the past recall, and
Speaker 1: I will raise you the second and yard completion to
Speaker 1: Adams that one because as I remember, Jerome mccoin makes
Speaker 1: a huge stop when they as time expires. Stay in
Speaker 1: the first half, Caroline is going into the locker room,
Speaker 1: all sorts of momentum, feeling great. It's a four point game.
Speaker 1: Then they come out start the second half. They got
Speaker 1: him back second and twenty six, like Green Bays on
Speaker 1: nine yard line and the thirty eight yards later Damante
Speaker 1: Adams and then Package going on score and I was like,
Speaker 1: if you know they come up with a stop there,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the ball back in pretty good field
Speaker 1: position potentially take the lead, and that one, to me,
Speaker 1: felt like the true just got punched. I think if
Speaker 1: that that third down, they would have had to punt
Speaker 1: the ball fortastic field position to have the ball going
Speaker 1: into how I think that that, to me is just
Speaker 1: when the sideline felt like it shifted. Everything just felt wrong.
Speaker 1: After that, everyone was so mad, and it's so scary
Speaker 1: when you start getting mad at the refs, Panther fans
Speaker 1: and Jerome bog Boger. That is not I I lost
Speaker 1: it a little bit. Someone made a really funny graphic.
Speaker 1: Although listen, we talked about Panther fans on Twitter, green
Speaker 1: Bay Packer fans not from Green Bay. Okay, if you're
Speaker 1: from Green Bay, I like you as a Packers fan.
Speaker 1: The ones on Twitter not from Green Bay are I
Speaker 1: can't say the word of what they are. They're so mean.
Speaker 1: They were so mean, okay one of them, although he
Speaker 1: did he made a graphic. I posted a video of
Speaker 1: Luke's celebrating after the big JEMALCOI stop. They just went
Speaker 1: in for like no reason of like, oh oh what
Speaker 1: was the score? Crene like no crap dip, like no,
Speaker 1: like I was there I was not watching on TV
Speaker 1: from my couch like you were, Like I was there.
Speaker 1: I know what the score is, but we did not
Speaker 1: have a good night. On Twitter that I listen up,
Speaker 1: we just woke up on the wrong side of the
Speaker 1: bed today and you're getting it all here on the
Speaker 1: group therapy um. But one guy posted a graphic of
Speaker 1: the like Green Bay Path crackers, and it was this
Speaker 1: cartoon like a Panthers fan then took that graphic and
Speaker 1: added refs to it and said, you can't win without
Speaker 1: the whole team. This like the Packers, Like Packers players
Speaker 1: are celebrating in the end zone, and then they photoshopped
Speaker 1: like the refs into it where they refted the Lambeau leap.
Speaker 1: I saw the one where the ref had a cheesehead
Speaker 1: as he was singling first down. There were there were
Speaker 1: a lot to choose from. People did a really good job.
Speaker 1: It was this one where they're like on a train
Speaker 1: and then and it's like one that the Packers made,
Speaker 1: and then a guy responded and put the ref off
Speaker 1: to the side of the train. I saw. I saw
Speaker 1: the one where it was like after they got to
Speaker 1: take away and like all these guys posed now for
Speaker 1: the time, and so then they added some refs, Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think about Aaron Rodgers saying he was
Speaker 1: glad that he finally got a call. It's it's so
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Like that's that is Aaron Rodgers. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome about twisting the knife, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome after the game that, like him,
Speaker 1: Gerald had the moment that they had, like and on
Speaker 1: the play where Gerald completely took away their dreams of scoring,
Speaker 1: like Aaron's face was like, all right, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Like his face gave some respect to McCoy. That's that
Speaker 1: was surprising. And in looking at the photos of the
Speaker 1: rough and pastor penalty, it sure looks to me like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is kind of saying without saying to Gerald McCoy, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got one there, sorry, come on that. The worst
Speaker 1: was the slow mo on the broadcast of Aaron catching
Speaker 1: the flags, just like yes, yeakes, all right, I have
Speaker 1: another one that's really embarrassing. Oh yeah, So in this one,
Speaker 1: I was really stuck on rhyming the two words that
Speaker 1: I chose, So I'm not it's almost like arma and grandma.
Speaker 1: But it's a little bit better than I like this
Speaker 1: matchup for the Thieves and Stack Street Boys. Send the
Speaker 1: dirty Birds home drinking their lacroise. Okay, drop, I really
Speaker 1: wanted to rhyme boys with the roys. That's a really
Speaker 1: good rhyme. Yeah, but I don't like, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: so what are they what are they doing it? They're
Speaker 1: going home drinking their lacroise. Yeah, it's in the dirty
Speaker 1: words home drinking their lacroise. They're negative twelve in the turnover.
Speaker 1: So that's why I chose the thieves and Panthers win.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna need a photoshoped image of like
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, I'll drop this these bars on Twitter with
Speaker 1: a good graphic of only the group chat fans will
Speaker 1: know what it means. The groupies the group piece now
Speaker 1: and then I have another one, but it's not I
Speaker 1: didn't finish riding the rhyme. But the Panthers must fix
Speaker 1: their run defense if they want to get over the
Speaker 1: NFC wild card fits. I mean, that's a major fact,
Speaker 1: right there's That might be my best one, but I
Speaker 1: was I was a little That was the last minute
Speaker 1: one that I just kind of threw down, like no,
Speaker 1: but that was a. You're striking a chord there with
Speaker 1: their lacroise and defense and run defense. Just Max you
Speaker 1: you wrote a little bit about that yesterday. How do
Speaker 1: you feel that the team's approach to fixing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We'll look, they've played nine games, so like we've got
Speaker 1: a large enough sample size to now say like, okay,
Speaker 1: something's going on with the run defense, right, And you
Speaker 1: know you helped me pull up the numbers. Over Ron's tenure,
Speaker 1: they've overall been ninth in the NFL and run defense
Speaker 1: from two thousand eleven, three or four years with their
Speaker 1: top five I mean they've been number two in the
Speaker 1: NFL on year three six. What I mean like, they've
Speaker 1: historically been a very very good run defense. The scheme,
Speaker 1: of course, changed this year. I think everyone's kind of
Speaker 1: wondering how that may have played a role in what
Speaker 1: we're seeing right now. Ron continues to say it it's
Speaker 1: a gap scheme. It's all about a gap accountability. But
Speaker 1: on Monday, when he kind of elaborated a little bit more,
Speaker 1: he made it pretty clear it was like, look, coaches, players,
Speaker 1: we've got to get together and there's no magic fix,
Speaker 1: but there has to be a fix some somewhere or another,
Speaker 1: because we all know into November and December, and especially
Speaker 1: with what you know, teams are gonna do game planning
Speaker 1: for this defense. They're going to get a heavy dose
Speaker 1: of the run and they're going to have to prove
Speaker 1: that they can stop it. And and until it improves,
Speaker 1: they're just putting themselves in there behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1: If you cannot stop the run, if teams are gonna
Speaker 1: get five six yards to carry, it's really really hard
Speaker 1: to play defense in the NFL. You know, That's and
Speaker 1: that's just the bottom line. So there's certainly between Luke, Shack,
Speaker 1: McCoy Dantari at us. I mean, the guys are there,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that's what the players believe,
Speaker 1: is that there's pieces are in place. They just got
Speaker 1: to do it. And I don't know what really more
Speaker 1: else can be said until they just produce. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be a thing that they're gonna continue have to
Speaker 1: answer questions about. And I mean Aaron Jones was the latest.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just the rushing yards. They're allowing
Speaker 1: more rushing touchdowns than anybody in the NFL by why margin.
Speaker 1: So they're leading to scores and three players with multiple
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns against them. I mean there was there was
Speaker 1: once a time when they went two years with nobody rushing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember that street. I mean, my goodness. So. And the thing,
Speaker 1: the real thing about it too, that I think it
Speaker 1: goes a little bit unnoticed or overlooked, is this team's
Speaker 1: obvious strength defensively is rushing the pastor you can't rush
Speaker 1: the pastor if you can't stop the run. So they
Speaker 1: can't even really get to their greatest strength if they're
Speaker 1: not able to get that first thing done, which is
Speaker 1: stop in the run. If if teams are in third
Speaker 1: and manageable second and three, you can't pin your ears back.
Speaker 1: You need to be in third and nine, third and eleven,
Speaker 1: and that's when you can kind of release the hounds
Speaker 1: and get after them. So it's it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: a trickle down effect that happens when you can't stop
Speaker 1: the run. And look, we can talk about it all
Speaker 1: we want. As Ron said after the game, talk means nothing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's not enough to just talk about it.
Speaker 1: And you know that locker room is well aware. And
Speaker 1: we'll see if they can turn around starting with Atlanta, thankfully,
Speaker 1: all that we get to do is talk about it.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't don't have to put the past.
Speaker 1: We don't have to put We'll be here talking about it.
Speaker 1: We still get to talk about it. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: do our favorite segment, new segment that will gave us
Speaker 1: such a great intro song too, that's my favorite part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a light of the week, one of the week,
Speaker 1: Light of the week, Light of the week. You got
Speaker 1: a really high pitch there at the end, and then
Speaker 1: I try to get try to get up there voice training.
Speaker 1: It's nice, okay. Alan of the Week this week comes
Speaker 1: courtesee if tight end, Greg Olson, who is notorious for
Speaker 1: giving us good lines. This is after the defeat at
Speaker 1: lambeau Field and the frozen tun trat to the Packers
Speaker 1: been talking about quarterback hollow quote what he did against
Speaker 1: that defense with that front front pinning their ears back,
Speaker 1: knowing we had to throw the ball. We all saw
Speaker 1: the conditions in the weather, down fourteen the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: to lead us down the field was pretty incredible. I
Speaker 1: honestly thought what he did tonight overall, and of course
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter was impressive a quarterback display as I've
Speaker 1: ever seen all pro veteran tight end Greg Olson, who
Speaker 1: has seen a lot of quarterback play throughout his career,
Speaker 1: talking about what Kyle Allen did against the Packers, and
Speaker 1: he's just saying it's not he doesn't just give out praise.
Speaker 1: He does not just to give it out. If there's
Speaker 1: anybody in that locker room who tells it how it
Speaker 1: is when when lost draw, whatever the case, maybe it's
Speaker 1: Greg Olson. He's not a blowing smoke kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So take that Twitter trolls. I'm just gonna leave that.
Speaker 1: Leave that out there that we started this fitting Kyle Island,
Speaker 1: will end it fitting Kyle Allen. And we talked about
Speaker 1: the run defense. We're on brand today, guys, very on brand.
Speaker 1: This was this was I think you feel better now
Speaker 1: right there, Like this is a happy mack. I just
Speaker 1: kind of want to crack upen to Lacroix and just
Speaker 1: relax a little bit and lot the proise on the mind.
Speaker 1: But the leek roise, I I'm happy you feel better,
Speaker 1: Like that's what we needed to make you feel better.
Speaker 1: Is just knowing that Greg Olson had your back. That
Speaker 1: does make me feel a lot better. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it does, that does, but it know it really is
Speaker 1: is knowing that you guys had my back always. That's always,
Speaker 1: we're in this together. Even producer Matt it's nodding along.
Speaker 1: He's got our back. He's in Thanks, buddy. Well that
Speaker 1: was the group chat today. I feel better. I feel
Speaker 1: like this therapy session really helped me. I was having
Speaker 1: a little slow start to the day Tuesday when we
Speaker 1: tape these, it's raining outside today. Your rhymes were so good.
Speaker 1: You think I have something here? Should I keep pursuing it?
Speaker 1: Just drop a couple of bars. I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 1: will say all of you and never do that. Although um,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I came up with three. What I
Speaker 1: should have done is just passed these out to you
Speaker 1: guys so that you could have had your own. But
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I took all credit for my
Speaker 1: dirty Birds, Cheese, Kurds, Sax Street Boys, and Lacroise. Lacroix.
Speaker 1: That's money. I'm going to ask for a graphic. I
Speaker 1: think Daniel could make me a Lacroix. And now, if
Speaker 1: there was ever a reason for the Pants to win
Speaker 1: a football game, it's so we can use a Lacroix graphics.
Speaker 1: That is certainly the case, well, it's not going to
Speaker 1: be easy though, the Panthers of course, taking on the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons coming off the big win against the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints, making the NFC South and the NFC just
Speaker 1: in general absolutely crazy. So stay tuned, will keep you
Speaker 1: all updated with everything going on Panthers, and I bet
Speaker 1: next week we talked about the run defense, we'll see
Speaker 1: all been