WEBVTT - Utterly Opposite Of The Truth 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.160 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.280 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:23.880 Armstrong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Yetty. How 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:24.319 you doing. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.000 We're a million miles from victory. But later this half 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.640 hour a couple of examples where WOKE is definitely on 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.760 the retreat. Part of that is it's just laying low 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.400 or has changed its stripes or changed the name of this, 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.640 that and the other to pretend that it's not still 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.320 doing what it's doing. So again, it's going to be 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.680 a long, long, long, long fight, but at least there 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.640 are signs of progress. Later on the hour, going to 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.040 be talking to CBS military analyst Jeff mccauslin about the 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:58.600 situation Ukraine and and just Europe in general, as I 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:03.680 think it's at least possible that there is an era 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.240 of real instability about to start. You know what's funny 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.240 is nobody ever talks about one of the major factors, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.800 how long Putin lives. He's in his seventies now, he's 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.680 not gonna live forever anyway, So that is to come. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.840 Plus boy, all sorts of good stuff. Let's take a moment, though, 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.679 to take fun look back at the week that was. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.240 The Friday tradition is cow clips of the week. 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:29.920 They need to tone it down. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:38.920 Maybe you guys, not Grady the whips of the week. Great, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.800 We're in a brave new world. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:48.480 Not my Captain America okay, Fiancas and sorry, and Kanye 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.520 West of cold it quits. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:57.520 I just hope this doesn't make Kanye do something stupid. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.720 It didn't reach that level to me to say something 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:04.880 terrible could happen. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.120 And maybe you shouldn't have gone on the trip. Why 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:08.799 didn't it to me? I don't know. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.520 I mean I think that that's one of the things 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:11.639 we need to look at. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.280 President Trump sending shock waves throughout Europe. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.560 You should have never started it. You could have made 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.680 a deal. Doubling down and accusing the Ukrainian leader of 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:27.000 being a dictator, a dictator without elections. Zelensky better move 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.119 fast or he's not going to have a country left. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:30.640 Got to move got to move fast. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:36.880 Zelenski, who's pulling over fifty percent cooling Trump's accusation Russian disinformation. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:38.640 They need to. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.400 Tone it down and take a hard look and sign 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.079 that deal. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.280 As a war criminal and should be in jail. For 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.440 the rest of his life if not executed. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.720 I trust a scottlike I trust gas stations solution, and 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:55.640 I think I have the power to end this war, 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:57.840 and I think it's going very well. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:04.040 Free speech meets boundaries, so we said no, we have 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.600 free speech as well, but it also his limits. You 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.000 might sue them, I might choose up. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:16.680 What no democracy, American, German or European will survive is 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.720 telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.720 aspirations they're pleased for relief are invalid. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.799 He was standing in a country where free speech was. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.520 Weaponized to kentuct a genocide. Why would our allies there 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.200 anybody be irritated by free speech and by someone giving 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.800 their opinion. We are, after all, democracies, you know, I 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.240 wanted to find somebody smarter than him, We said a little, Well, 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.320 thanks having me. I'm here to provide the present with 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:47.520 technology support. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.480 We've got people that are taking faxes off facts machines. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.080 They had to leave the building and they were never 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:57.080 able to walk back in the building. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.840 Again. It comes down to two things, competence and caring. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.920 You could be talking about saving over a trillion dollars if. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.840 You're doing solve the deficit. I mean I will go 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.920 bankrupt if this is not done. This is the chain's 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:19.640 off of bureaucracy. Turns off chainsall. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.280 Elon Musk, there, boy, turns you know what I want 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.359 to talk about? Briefly, Elon Michael, do me a favor. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.159 Queue up clip number thirty two. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.440 This is the lead. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.400 See where he's got for a slim majority using presidential power. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.960 Fifty two percent say he's gone too far? There uh 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.680 cutting federal programs? Fifty one percent of Americans say gone too. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:50.960 Far So breathless reporting of various polls that express skepticism 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.200 about some of the things Trump and Elon Musk are doing. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.760 And as always I must point out, we must point 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:02.920 out that unfortunately a lot of America still has its 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.680 perceptions based on or shaped by the legacy media. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.080 Or even cable news. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:15.680 Gotta help you, And it doesn't surprise me if a 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.560 good idea that is relentlessly described as a bad idea 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.920 isn't as popular as it should be, that's not an 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:30.960 indictment of the idea. If somebody just bad mouths a 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:36.039 person over and over again before you meet them, your 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.040 ill perception of them is based on that bad mouthing. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.240 It's not on the facts of that person. You hardly 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.640 know them yet. So what a Weasley report on Cenna. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.280 And here's an example for you. It's clip number eighty, Michael. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:55.120 This is a variety of talking heads talking during the campaign. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.240 Do you remember this when there was a bit of 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.720 a flap about IVF There was a court case was 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.279 it in Florida is one of the Southeastern states, about 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:08.200 the personhood of embryos and the ethical quandary that that is. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.159 And here's what it sounded like. Under Donald Trump and JD. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.119 Vance's policies and proposals, of course, we would see total 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:16.880 bands on IVF around the country. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.760 Trump keeps saying that not only does he is he 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:25.240 opposed to abortion rights, he's also opposed to contraception. He's 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.840 also opposed to IVF. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.320 They clearly, as you said, hate women. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.520 Donald Trump is the father not of IVF, but of 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:33.320 abortion bands. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.120 So I was talking to a couple of fellas yesterday 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.559 whose adult kids live in progressive areas of the country, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.240 has to do a couple of mind and they or 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.880 one person removed like a friend or the relative of theirs, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:57.320 literally crying because their gay marriage or their their friends 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.200 gay marriage or whatever was going to be ended by 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.000 the Trump administration and they would be jailed for it. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:09.240 They sincerely believe that. And these are not stupid people, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:15.680 because wildly wildly misinformed is different than stupid. But there 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:20.080 are people so wildly misinformed that they're divorced from reality. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.040 Like all that crap about how Trump is against IVF 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.600 and will ban it and is going to ban birth control. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.600 And blah blah blah. They just put out. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.640 The White House just put out an executive order expanding 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:38.200 access to in vitro fertilization for Americans, directs policy recommendations 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.280 to protect IVF access and aggressively reduce out of pocket 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.240 and health plan costs for such treatments, focus on how 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.560 to ensure reliable access to IVF et cetera, support for families. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.240 It goes into a fair amount of detail. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.960 But it was utterly, utterly the opposite of the truth 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.360 to suggest that Trump and Republicans wanted to end IVF procedures. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.160 There's just a really interesting question about the personhood of 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.280 a fertilized egg among people who an embryo, and for short, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.800 among people who think about these things. So anyway, just 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.360 completely dishonest. But we're kind of used to that, aren't we. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.360 So I'm so tempted to geek out on the German election. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.040 Probably shouldn't, but I think it's so interesting. What time 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.080 is it, Yeah, we got a minute, Michael, do me 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.480 a favor. This is from Morning Jose Raf Sanchez talking 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.160 about the German elections, and I'll explain why you want 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.959 to care about it in the second but fireway. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.800 So, at first glance, this very much looks like a 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.400 normal election in Germany. You have an unpopular government here, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.200 it's led by the center left. It's presiding over a 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.000 bad economy. Germany has been in recession for two years, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.360 and it looks like the voters are going to chuck 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.280 them out and they're going to replace them with a 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:57.319 government led by the center right, the CDU Angela Merkel's 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:02.880 old party, a traditional trans atlantic party. They are supporters 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.200 of Ukraine. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.080 And all that is true. Next clip, Michael. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.480 What is not normal is that the far right is 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.160 absolutely surging in a way we have not seen since 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.480 the defeat of the Nazis in the Second World War. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.040 The polls show the alternative for Germany, known as the 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:24.800 AfD likely to win the second largest number of seats 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:29.320 in Parliament to be the largest opposition party, and that 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.400 is sending shock waves absolutely through this country. 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:34.880 So two things. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.400 Number one, as I've said before, the rise of the AfD, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:44.479 which includes some characters who are absolutely repugnant. The AFDs 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:49.400 is right a lot about a lot of things. They 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.959 also include some absolute Nazi sympathizers and pro putin lunatics 0:09:54.000 --> 0:10:01.880 and various other unsavory elements. But the reason they have 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.480 power is that it was so verboten to use the 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:11.319 German to talk frankly about the shock of mass immigration 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.560 among the so called respectable parties of right of center, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.560 that the expression of that frustration and anger and fear 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:27.560 was reserved for the far right. And so you've got 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.440 lunatics who don't care. They're not all lunatics, but you've 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.600 got a party that includes a fair amount of lunatics 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.520 who just don't care, being the only ones willing to 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.920 say what was obviously true about the rampant immigration. And 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.400 that's why they grew, and that's why they've gained as 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.200 much power as they have and will be a factor. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.120 Now here's what you have to understand about Germany. And 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.480 it matters because they're one of our biggest trading partners, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.920 one of our biggest allies, the biggest economy in Europe, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:00.600 and ought to be ought to be a big, strong, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.160 robust part of NATO, but they're not. So there's what 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.199 they call the firewall in German politics. You cannot play 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.439 footsie with the AfD because they include neo Nazis and 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:18.240 some lunatics, seriously bad people with bad ideas. So the 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.840 problem is this guy, fred Mertz. Fans of classic TV 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:28.320 very amused by that, Friedrich Mertz, fred Mertz the best 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:34.280 buddy of Ralph Kramden and the Honeymooners. Anyway, Friedrich Mertz 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.600 is a fairly reasonable center right type guy, but he 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:44.240 can't include the AfD in his coalition in a parliamentary system, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.520 so he's got to look to his left to socialist 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.680 losers and utopians and green energy morons and the rest 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.440 of it. And so you remember when Bill Clinton famously 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.880 said in a speech, there's nothing that is wrong with 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.560 America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.440 which is actually a great line. I've used that on 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:12.679 my kids. Germany's the opposite. There is practically nothing wrong 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.480 with Germany. Is that we can fix any more with 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:21.160 what is right with Germany because they've gone so far 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:29.720 down the road of high taxes, high regulations, utterly ridiculous 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.120 commitments to green energy, phasing out their nuclear programs, begging 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:39.240 Russia for oil and gas, that their economy is shrinking 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.800 while everybody else's is growing. Their military is a joke. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.199 Their society is falling apart because it's well the imported 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.640 people who hate their culture by the hundreds of thousand, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.760 by the millions, is much smaller country than the US, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:13:01.319 and it's falling apart. And because they silent Lenst the 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:06.880 reasonable right for so long now the alternative on the 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.960 writer lunatics, there are multiple lessons that we can learn 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.240 from their awful, awful example. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.800 So which woke on the retreat, we'll talk about that. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:22.920 Some encouraging signs in a moment stay with us. I 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:27.000 keep meaning to dig up the podcast from last Friday's 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.720 show when I was on vacation and Jack was talking 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.560 to our friend Tim Sandefer about the Playboy magazine's rebranding 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.280 and stuff like that. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.840 Because I'd love to hear his take. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.720 I was just reading in the uh, I guess it 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.480 was Brightbart covering that Playboys returning to its roots after 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.960 going through a failed woke rebrand that included pop star 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:52.160 Lizzo on a centerfold, a transgender playmate, and a ban 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:57.319 on nudity. Now, whatever you think of nudity and softcore erotica, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.559 if you prefer porn, I mean, I don't really want 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.960 to get into that. But just the spirit of the thing, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:14.160 just masculating, denying masculinity, denying heterosexuality, just to everybody needs 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:20.520 to be like a Kendall transgender. It's part of a 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:27.040 really unhealthy impulse. I think it's complicated. Books have been 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.320 written about it and will continue to be. But a 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.160 lot of it has to do with kind of passive conformity. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.040 I think because there would be you know, the neo 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.480 Marxists and socialists and woke crowd. The one thing they 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:44.560 demand always is obedience. They have no interest in rugged individuality. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.400 It's antithetical to what they're trying to do. And I 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.040 think stamping out masculinity is a big part. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.280 Of that program. It runs through a lot of it. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:15:01.920 But I hadn't realized how far it had gone. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:04.520 So in twenty. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.840 Seventeen, Just one month after Hugh Hefner, who is a 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.960 pig but he died, they announced that they would have 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:15.720 a transgender playmate, and Hefner's then twenty six year old son, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.720 Cooper God knows what his upbringing was like, said at 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.560 the time of the decision to feature men in Playboy, quote, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.000 it's the right thing to do. We're at a moment 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.440 where gender roles are evolving, a part of the hashtag 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:32.320 me to cancel culture thing. And then an editorial team 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.320 of two women in a gay man took over with 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:40.960 a mission to make Playboy more progressive, and it failed horrifically. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.800 The magazine's play by bunnies were renamed brand ambassadors and 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.200 given sex neutral names, such as September Playmate rather than 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:56.200 Miss September. Who thought this would work only lunatics anyway, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.320 And again grab the podcast Armstrong and Getting on demand 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.480 from last Friday. I can't remember what hour it is, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.160 I'm not really sure, but Tim and Jack talk about that. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.760 I'm sure it was very interesting. But I was also 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:13.920 glad to see the woke numb skulls at Disney have 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.400 at least shown signs that they understand that America is 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:23.000 not where they're radical lefty employees, and the internet are 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.720 and they've scaled back a bunch of the content. Warnings 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.840 on classic films, your dumbos, your Peter's pan will no 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:36.960 longer have auto played warnings about triggers and racial stereotypes. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.440 And you may be offended by this. These stereotypes are 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.680 wrong then and wrong now. Negative depictions, enormous treatment of 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.960 people or colors. No, we don't need you to shove 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.400 that down our throat. We can see it when it happens, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.800 and we're interested in it, and there's no need to 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.800 cleanse Classic entertainment a teaching tool if nothing else. But 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.240 what I think is more significant at least, is that 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.680 Disney is aware of the world has changed, Thank goodness, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.200 but it's going to be a long, long battle. Speaking 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.040 of long, long battles, the situation in Europe, Ukraine Russia. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.359 Military analyst Jeff mccauslin to talk about the immediate and 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.960 long term concerns Armstrong and Getty, but. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.840 He should have taken it serious in allowed the United 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.920 States to engage. President Trump is the only one that 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.560 could have prevented this war from taking place, and President 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.080 Trump now is cleaning out the mess. That Biden left behind, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.439 and President Trump will get it done. He will negotiate 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.800 an end to this war. He wants to see the 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.320 war ended, regardless of how that takes place. He wants 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.520 to see a win for Ukraine and a win for 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.760 Russia at the same time, because there's a lose lose 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.600 going on for both countries. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.000 Right now. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.000 People are dying, and the President said he wants people 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:48.760 to stop dying. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.320 Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, they're helping interpret some of the 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.560 statements the President has made lately, some of them looney 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.960 tunes in my opinion, But let's not get hung up 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.200 on that. There's a lot to discus, whether it's Ukraine 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.240 or the Middle East or a couple of other fronts. 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.080 And what a pleasure to welcome doctor Jeff mccauslin back 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.840 to the show. Jeff is a CBS News Military Consultant 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.320 Senior Fellow at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:12.080 the Naval Academy. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.400 Jeff, it's always a pleasure. How are you, Joe. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.280 It's a trip to Boudi and I'm doing fine, excellent. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.280 So while I am not an expert on the level 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.080 of a doctor, Jeff mccauslan. For instance, I can usually 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.800 if I'm presented with a question of what would peace 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.639 in Ukraine look like? I can cook up some scenarios 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.680 that are fairly reasonable, and I might even say I'm 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.360 only fifty to fifty that this would work. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.080 But this is the most likely thing I can see. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.040 I've got to admit I'm a little at a loss 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.200 to even describe what a peace settlement with long term 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.439 security for Ukraine would look like. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.720 Help me, Well, peace for a settlement for Ukraine would 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.320 look like. Of course, the Russians can end this war tomorrow. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.320 They've always been in this world of war. They just 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.520 got to pull their forces back to their territory. That's 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.240 a pretty easy solution. But obviously they don't seem to 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.840 convince to do that. And some of the arguments that 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.679 are being made by the President that actually a Ukraine's 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.119 fault that this war occurred not only are counterfactual but 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.800 also make this whole process more difficult on the Ukrainian side. 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:19.400 What might peace look like, Well, sometime of the negotiated settlement, whereby, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:24.720 of course, they received some sort of security guarantees, doesn't 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.040 look like that security guarantee would be membership in NATO, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.040 but some guaranteed BI latterly by the United States, but 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.320 by europeanized with the United States that if there was 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.879 an attack on them, those powers would then come to 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.199 their support. Second of all, perhaps the emplacement of some 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.520 kind of a peacekeeping force to monitor whatever the agreement 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.280 determined in terms of territorial changes, if those were made. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:52.080 This was done back in two thousand and fourteen, following 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.359 the invasion of Russia of the Crimea and also a 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.960 portion of Dombas under the austices of the Organization for 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.359 Security Cooperation in Europe. They're quite frankly, the Russian's basically 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.600 ignored a lot of those peacekeepers that were present and 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.040 clearly prepared to do what they then did in twenty 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.800 twenty two. So the question of peacekeeping also means, are 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.719 you going to have a very small force just can 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.479 kind of monitor what's going on Some people call that 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.920 bluff and prey, or are you going to put a 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.400 larger force in up saying a couple hundred thousand peacekeepers 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.960 that actually have the physical capacity not only to terra 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.560 as it's going to attack, but actually defense. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.920 Do you have any optimism that Europe has the will 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.480 to actively participate in that sort of program. 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.640 I think the Europeans will is growing, But of course 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.399 there's two things they've got to have. They've got to 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.359 have the political capital, better the population support for programs 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.320 and policies like that, and then the economic capacity to 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:56.639 expand their own internal defense industries and expand their military significantly. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.880 And that's going to take some time. There's already clear 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.960 discussions ongoing between the British and the French. I'm told 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.480 they're talking about implementing some kind of of an air 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:10.560 effort that would supplement for peacekeeping force on the ground. Again, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.600 this is all preliminary. Would that be some kind of 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.440 a no fly zone whereby European aircraft would be over 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.240 the battlefield area? And if the Russians violated that airspace 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.880 heedsed by launching missiles into it or bringing their aircraft 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.560 into it, that they again that would be engaged. But 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.800 all again, that is very preliminary and it remains to 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.000 be seen. And furthermore, of course, the real question is 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.080 where and when and how are these negotiations going to 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.440 occur that are going to craft this particular agreement. And 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.440 initially it appeared that it was going to be a 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:44.720 bilateral negotiation from the United States and Russia. Well, the Ukrainians, 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.800 for obvious reasons, pushed back on that you're negotiating about US. 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.920 So the President now acknowledge that Ukraine won't be participating, 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.320 But it's unclear what that means. Is this going to 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.920 be a trilateral negotiation of three countries, going to be 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.840 a bilateral negotiation between the Nie States in Russia with 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.440 Ukraine in the next room, or are the Ukrainians and 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.720 Russians gonna have a byladder on negotiation with the United 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:12.000 States as a mediator. Those diplomatic nuances are very important, 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.840 not only in terms of what that solution looks like, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.000 but frankly, how it actually is conducted and concluded. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.639 And we both know that if there's an asymmetry of 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.280 desire to reach a deal in whatever sort of negotiation 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.600 you're talking about, the person who is willing to walk 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.479 away has an enormous advantage. How anxious is putin at 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.720 this point to end the war and come to some 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.119 sort of deal, I think. 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.720 He's more anxious than we might well imagine. Everybody said, well, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:43.600 it's inevitable the Russians are going to win, so we 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.719 should give in to him. And it concerns me, frankly, 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.600 that the administration has already made major concessions in advance. 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.320 Whether you agree with those concessions or not, you don't 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.080 go into an agreement say hey, I'm going to give 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.720 you these following things. Let's talk and what have we 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.560 giving them? Well, we've said, first of all, Ukraine will 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.520 never be into NATO number one. We've already said that 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:09.119 Ukraine has to make certain territorial concessions. The President's already said, well, 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.880 we should bring Russia back in the G seven. There's 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.639 even been some talk of reducing to other sanctions. Well, 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.120 those might all be appropriate concessions to make, making them 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.720 before you've actually begun the conversation does not appear to 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:26.159 me to be a terrific negotiating strategy. 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.480 Doctor Jeff mccouslan online, CBS News Military consultant. Let's talk 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.399 a little bit about the very concept of striking a 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:38.560 deal with Vladimir Putin. How does he differ from other 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.800 leaders of major powers that we might sign a treaty with. 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.600 Well, person, only, you can't trust this guy. He's violated 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.119 about every agreement you can think of. You know there 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.879 was an agreement reach that MINS about the invasion of 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:54.640 the Don Boss in Crimea twenty fourteen, which of course 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.000 he has violated. And as we to answer better, the 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.200 last question is does he want a deal? 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:02.000 He does. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.080 I think he's being forced to think about that because 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.920 he's had seven hundred thousand casualtis, maybe one hundred and 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.159 fifty thousand of those are dead. He's lost thousands of 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:16.399 pieces of equipment, tanks, artillery, armed personnel, cares. I was 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.800 talking to colleagues of mine who monitored us very closely, 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.399