Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Yetty. How
Speaker 2: you doing.
Speaker 1: We're a million miles from victory. But later this half
Speaker 1: hour a couple of examples where WOKE is definitely on
Speaker 1: the retreat. Part of that is it's just laying low
Speaker 1: or has changed its stripes or changed the name of this,
Speaker 1: that and the other to pretend that it's not still
Speaker 1: doing what it's doing. So again, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a long, long, long, long fight, but at least there
Speaker 1: are signs of progress. Later on the hour, going to
Speaker 1: be talking to CBS military analyst Jeff mccauslin about the
Speaker 1: situation Ukraine and and just Europe in general, as I
Speaker 1: think it's at least possible that there is an era
Speaker 1: of real instability about to start. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: is nobody ever talks about one of the major factors,
Speaker 1: how long Putin lives. He's in his seventies now, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna live forever anyway, So that is to come.
Speaker 1: Plus boy, all sorts of good stuff. Let's take a moment, though,
Speaker 1: to take fun look back at the week that was.
Speaker 1: The Friday tradition is cow clips of the week.
Speaker 3: They need to tone it down.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys, not Grady the whips of the week. Great,
Speaker 2: We're in a brave new world.
Speaker 1: Not my Captain America okay, Fiancas and sorry, and Kanye
Speaker 1: West of cold it quits.
Speaker 2: I just hope this doesn't make Kanye do something stupid.
Speaker 4: It didn't reach that level to me to say something
Speaker 4: terrible could happen.
Speaker 2: And maybe you shouldn't have gone on the trip. Why
Speaker 2: didn't it to me? I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean I think that that's one of the things
Speaker 5: we need to look at.
Speaker 6: President Trump sending shock waves throughout Europe.
Speaker 2: You should have never started it. You could have made
Speaker 2: a deal. Doubling down and accusing the Ukrainian leader of
Speaker 2: being a dictator, a dictator without elections. Zelensky better move
Speaker 2: fast or he's not going to have a country left.
Speaker 2: Got to move got to move fast.
Speaker 1: Zelenski, who's pulling over fifty percent cooling Trump's accusation Russian disinformation.
Speaker 2: They need to.
Speaker 1: Tone it down and take a hard look and sign
Speaker 1: that deal.
Speaker 2: As a war criminal and should be in jail. For
Speaker 2: the rest of his life if not executed.
Speaker 6: I trust a scottlike I trust gas stations solution, and
Speaker 6: I think I have the power to end this war,
Speaker 6: and I think it's going very well.
Speaker 2: Free speech meets boundaries, so we said no, we have
Speaker 2: free speech as well, but it also his limits. You
Speaker 2: might sue them, I might choose up.
Speaker 7: What no democracy, American, German or European will survive is
Speaker 7: telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their
Speaker 7: aspirations they're pleased for relief are invalid.
Speaker 1: He was standing in a country where free speech was.
Speaker 2: Weaponized to kentuct a genocide. Why would our allies there
Speaker 2: anybody be irritated by free speech and by someone giving
Speaker 2: their opinion. We are, after all, democracies, you know, I
Speaker 2: wanted to find somebody smarter than him, We said a little, Well,
Speaker 2: thanks having me. I'm here to provide the present with
Speaker 2: technology support.
Speaker 7: We've got people that are taking faxes off facts machines.
Speaker 1: They had to leave the building and they were never
Speaker 1: able to walk back in the building.
Speaker 2: Again. It comes down to two things, competence and caring.
Speaker 1: You could be talking about saving over a trillion dollars if.
Speaker 2: You're doing solve the deficit. I mean I will go
Speaker 2: bankrupt if this is not done. This is the chain's
Speaker 2: off of bureaucracy. Turns off chainsall.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, there, boy, turns you know what I want
Speaker 1: to talk about? Briefly, Elon Michael, do me a favor.
Speaker 1: Queue up clip number thirty two.
Speaker 2: This is the lead.
Speaker 5: See where he's got for a slim majority using presidential power.
Speaker 2: Fifty two percent say he's gone too far? There uh
Speaker 2: cutting federal programs? Fifty one percent of Americans say gone too.
Speaker 1: Far So breathless reporting of various polls that express skepticism
Speaker 1: about some of the things Trump and Elon Musk are doing.
Speaker 1: And as always I must point out, we must point
Speaker 1: out that unfortunately a lot of America still has its
Speaker 1: perceptions based on or shaped by the legacy media.
Speaker 2: Or even cable news.
Speaker 1: Gotta help you, And it doesn't surprise me if a
Speaker 1: good idea that is relentlessly described as a bad idea
Speaker 1: isn't as popular as it should be, that's not an
Speaker 1: indictment of the idea. If somebody just bad mouths a
Speaker 1: person over and over again before you meet them, your
Speaker 1: ill perception of them is based on that bad mouthing.
Speaker 1: It's not on the facts of that person. You hardly
Speaker 1: know them yet. So what a Weasley report on Cenna.
Speaker 1: And here's an example for you. It's clip number eighty, Michael.
Speaker 1: This is a variety of talking heads talking during the campaign.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this when there was a bit of
Speaker 1: a flap about IVF There was a court case was
Speaker 1: it in Florida is one of the Southeastern states, about
Speaker 1: the personhood of embryos and the ethical quandary that that is.
Speaker 2: And here's what it sounded like. Under Donald Trump and JD.
Speaker 2: Vance's policies and proposals, of course, we would see total
Speaker 2: bands on IVF around the country.
Speaker 7: Trump keeps saying that not only does he is he
Speaker 7: opposed to abortion rights, he's also opposed to contraception. He's
Speaker 7: also opposed to IVF.
Speaker 2: They clearly, as you said, hate women.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is the father not of IVF, but of
Speaker 4: abortion bands.
Speaker 1: So I was talking to a couple of fellas yesterday
Speaker 1: whose adult kids live in progressive areas of the country,
Speaker 1: has to do a couple of mind and they or
Speaker 1: one person removed like a friend or the relative of theirs,
Speaker 1: literally crying because their gay marriage or their their friends
Speaker 1: gay marriage or whatever was going to be ended by
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and they would be jailed for it.
Speaker 1: They sincerely believe that. And these are not stupid people,
Speaker 1: because wildly wildly misinformed is different than stupid. But there
Speaker 1: are people so wildly misinformed that they're divorced from reality.
Speaker 1: Like all that crap about how Trump is against IVF
Speaker 1: and will ban it and is going to ban birth control.
Speaker 2: And blah blah blah. They just put out.
Speaker 1: The White House just put out an executive order expanding
Speaker 1: access to in vitro fertilization for Americans, directs policy recommendations
Speaker 1: to protect IVF access and aggressively reduce out of pocket
Speaker 1: and health plan costs for such treatments, focus on how
Speaker 1: to ensure reliable access to IVF et cetera, support for families.
Speaker 2: It goes into a fair amount of detail.
Speaker 1: But it was utterly, utterly the opposite of the truth
Speaker 1: to suggest that Trump and Republicans wanted to end IVF procedures.
Speaker 1: There's just a really interesting question about the personhood of
Speaker 1: a fertilized egg among people who an embryo, and for short,
Speaker 1: among people who think about these things. So anyway, just
Speaker 1: completely dishonest. But we're kind of used to that, aren't we.
Speaker 1: So I'm so tempted to geek out on the German election.
Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't, but I think it's so interesting. What time
Speaker 1: is it, Yeah, we got a minute, Michael, do me
Speaker 1: a favor. This is from Morning Jose Raf Sanchez talking
Speaker 1: about the German elections, and I'll explain why you want
Speaker 1: to care about it in the second but fireway.
Speaker 5: So, at first glance, this very much looks like a
Speaker 5: normal election in Germany. You have an unpopular government here,
Speaker 5: it's led by the center left. It's presiding over a
Speaker 5: bad economy. Germany has been in recession for two years,
Speaker 5: and it looks like the voters are going to chuck
Speaker 5: them out and they're going to replace them with a
Speaker 5: government led by the center right, the CDU Angela Merkel's
Speaker 5: old party, a traditional trans atlantic party. They are supporters
Speaker 5: of Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And all that is true. Next clip, Michael.
Speaker 5: What is not normal is that the far right is
Speaker 5: absolutely surging in a way we have not seen since
Speaker 5: the defeat of the Nazis in the Second World War.
Speaker 5: The polls show the alternative for Germany, known as the
Speaker 5: AfD likely to win the second largest number of seats
Speaker 5: in Parliament to be the largest opposition party, and that
Speaker 5: is sending shock waves absolutely through this country.
Speaker 2: So two things.
Speaker 1: Number one, as I've said before, the rise of the AfD,
Speaker 1: which includes some characters who are absolutely repugnant. The AFDs
Speaker 1: is right a lot about a lot of things. They
Speaker 1: also include some absolute Nazi sympathizers and pro putin lunatics
Speaker 1: and various other unsavory elements. But the reason they have
Speaker 1: power is that it was so verboten to use the
Speaker 1: German to talk frankly about the shock of mass immigration
Speaker 1: among the so called respectable parties of right of center,
Speaker 1: that the expression of that frustration and anger and fear
Speaker 1: was reserved for the far right. And so you've got
Speaker 1: lunatics who don't care. They're not all lunatics, but you've
Speaker 1: got a party that includes a fair amount of lunatics
Speaker 1: who just don't care, being the only ones willing to
Speaker 1: say what was obviously true about the rampant immigration. And
Speaker 1: that's why they grew, and that's why they've gained as
Speaker 1: much power as they have and will be a factor.
Speaker 1: Now here's what you have to understand about Germany. And
Speaker 1: it matters because they're one of our biggest trading partners,
Speaker 1: one of our biggest allies, the biggest economy in Europe,
Speaker 1: and ought to be ought to be a big, strong,
Speaker 1: robust part of NATO, but they're not. So there's what
Speaker 1: they call the firewall in German politics. You cannot play
Speaker 1: footsie with the AfD because they include neo Nazis and
Speaker 1: some lunatics, seriously bad people with bad ideas. So the
Speaker 1: problem is this guy, fred Mertz. Fans of classic TV
Speaker 1: very amused by that, Friedrich Mertz, fred Mertz the best
Speaker 1: buddy of Ralph Kramden and the Honeymooners. Anyway, Friedrich Mertz
Speaker 1: is a fairly reasonable center right type guy, but he
Speaker 1: can't include the AfD in his coalition in a parliamentary system,
Speaker 1: so he's got to look to his left to socialist
Speaker 1: losers and utopians and green energy morons and the rest
Speaker 1: of it. And so you remember when Bill Clinton famously
Speaker 1: said in a speech, there's nothing that is wrong with
Speaker 1: America that cannot be fixed by what is right with America,
Speaker 1: which is actually a great line. I've used that on
Speaker 1: my kids. Germany's the opposite. There is practically nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with Germany. Is that we can fix any more with
Speaker 1: what is right with Germany because they've gone so far
Speaker 1: down the road of high taxes, high regulations, utterly ridiculous
Speaker 1: commitments to green energy, phasing out their nuclear programs, begging
Speaker 1: Russia for oil and gas, that their economy is shrinking
Speaker 1: while everybody else's is growing. Their military is a joke.
Speaker 1: Their society is falling apart because it's well the imported
Speaker 1: people who hate their culture by the hundreds of thousand,
Speaker 1: by the millions, is much smaller country than the US,
Speaker 1: and it's falling apart. And because they silent Lenst the
Speaker 1: reasonable right for so long now the alternative on the
Speaker 1: writer lunatics, there are multiple lessons that we can learn
Speaker 1: from their awful, awful example.
Speaker 2: So which woke on the retreat, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Some encouraging signs in a moment stay with us. I
Speaker 1: keep meaning to dig up the podcast from last Friday's
Speaker 1: show when I was on vacation and Jack was talking
Speaker 1: to our friend Tim Sandefer about the Playboy magazine's rebranding
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Because I'd love to hear his take.
Speaker 1: I was just reading in the uh, I guess it
Speaker 1: was Brightbart covering that Playboys returning to its roots after
Speaker 1: going through a failed woke rebrand that included pop star
Speaker 1: Lizzo on a centerfold, a transgender playmate, and a ban
Speaker 1: on nudity. Now, whatever you think of nudity and softcore erotica,
Speaker 1: if you prefer porn, I mean, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to get into that. But just the spirit of the thing,
Speaker 1: just masculating, denying masculinity, denying heterosexuality, just to everybody needs
Speaker 1: to be like a Kendall transgender. It's part of a
Speaker 1: really unhealthy impulse. I think it's complicated. Books have been
Speaker 1: written about it and will continue to be. But a
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with kind of passive conformity.
Speaker 1: I think because there would be you know, the neo
Speaker 1: Marxists and socialists and woke crowd. The one thing they
Speaker 1: demand always is obedience. They have no interest in rugged individuality.
Speaker 1: It's antithetical to what they're trying to do. And I
Speaker 1: think stamping out masculinity is a big part.
Speaker 2: Of that program. It runs through a lot of it.
Speaker 1: But I hadn't realized how far it had gone.
Speaker 2: So in twenty.
Speaker 1: Seventeen, Just one month after Hugh Hefner, who is a
Speaker 1: pig but he died, they announced that they would have
Speaker 1: a transgender playmate, and Hefner's then twenty six year old son,
Speaker 1: Cooper God knows what his upbringing was like, said at
Speaker 1: the time of the decision to feature men in Playboy, quote,
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. We're at a moment
Speaker 1: where gender roles are evolving, a part of the hashtag
Speaker 1: me to cancel culture thing. And then an editorial team
Speaker 1: of two women in a gay man took over with
Speaker 1: a mission to make Playboy more progressive, and it failed horrifically.
Speaker 1: The magazine's play by bunnies were renamed brand ambassadors and
Speaker 1: given sex neutral names, such as September Playmate rather than
Speaker 1: Miss September. Who thought this would work only lunatics anyway,
Speaker 1: And again grab the podcast Armstrong and Getting on demand
Speaker 1: from last Friday. I can't remember what hour it is,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure, but Tim and Jack talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was very interesting. But I was also
Speaker 1: glad to see the woke numb skulls at Disney have
Speaker 1: at least shown signs that they understand that America is
Speaker 1: not where they're radical lefty employees, and the internet are
Speaker 1: and they've scaled back a bunch of the content. Warnings
Speaker 1: on classic films, your dumbos, your Peter's pan will no
Speaker 1: longer have auto played warnings about triggers and racial stereotypes.
Speaker 1: And you may be offended by this. These stereotypes are
Speaker 1: wrong then and wrong now. Negative depictions, enormous treatment of
Speaker 1: people or colors. No, we don't need you to shove
Speaker 1: that down our throat. We can see it when it happens,
Speaker 1: and we're interested in it, and there's no need to
Speaker 1: cleanse Classic entertainment a teaching tool if nothing else. But
Speaker 1: what I think is more significant at least, is that
Speaker 1: Disney is aware of the world has changed, Thank goodness,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be a long, long battle. Speaking
Speaker 1: of long, long battles, the situation in Europe, Ukraine Russia.
Speaker 1: Military analyst Jeff mccauslin to talk about the immediate and
Speaker 1: long term concerns Armstrong and Getty, but.
Speaker 6: He should have taken it serious in allowed the United
Speaker 6: States to engage. President Trump is the only one that
Speaker 6: could have prevented this war from taking place, and President
Speaker 6: Trump now is cleaning out the mess. That Biden left behind,
Speaker 6: and President Trump will get it done. He will negotiate
Speaker 6: an end to this war. He wants to see the
Speaker 6: war ended, regardless of how that takes place. He wants
Speaker 6: to see a win for Ukraine and a win for
Speaker 6: Russia at the same time, because there's a lose lose
Speaker 6: going on for both countries.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 6: People are dying, and the President said he wants people
Speaker 6: to stop dying.
Speaker 1: Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, they're helping interpret some of the
Speaker 1: statements the President has made lately, some of them looney
Speaker 1: tunes in my opinion, But let's not get hung up
Speaker 1: on that. There's a lot to discus, whether it's Ukraine
Speaker 1: or the Middle East or a couple of other fronts.
Speaker 1: And what a pleasure to welcome doctor Jeff mccauslin back
Speaker 1: to the show. Jeff is a CBS News Military Consultant
Speaker 1: Senior Fellow at the Stockdale Center for Ethical Leadership at
Speaker 1: the Naval Academy.
Speaker 2: Jeff, it's always a pleasure. How are you, Joe.
Speaker 3: It's a trip to Boudi and I'm doing fine, excellent.
Speaker 1: So while I am not an expert on the level
Speaker 1: of a doctor, Jeff mccauslan. For instance, I can usually
Speaker 1: if I'm presented with a question of what would peace
Speaker 1: in Ukraine look like? I can cook up some scenarios
Speaker 1: that are fairly reasonable, and I might even say I'm
Speaker 1: only fifty to fifty that this would work.
Speaker 2: But this is the most likely thing I can see.
Speaker 1: I've got to admit I'm a little at a loss
Speaker 1: to even describe what a peace settlement with long term
Speaker 1: security for Ukraine would look like.
Speaker 3: Help me, Well, peace for a settlement for Ukraine would
Speaker 3: look like. Of course, the Russians can end this war tomorrow.
Speaker 3: They've always been in this world of war. They just
Speaker 3: got to pull their forces back to their territory. That's
Speaker 3: a pretty easy solution. But obviously they don't seem to
Speaker 3: convince to do that. And some of the arguments that
Speaker 3: are being made by the President that actually a Ukraine's
Speaker 3: fault that this war occurred not only are counterfactual but
Speaker 3: also make this whole process more difficult on the Ukrainian side.
Speaker 3: What might peace look like, Well, sometime of the negotiated settlement, whereby,
Speaker 3: of course, they received some sort of security guarantees, doesn't
Speaker 3: look like that security guarantee would be membership in NATO,
Speaker 3: but some guaranteed BI latterly by the United States, but
Speaker 3: by europeanized with the United States that if there was
Speaker 3: an attack on them, those powers would then come to
Speaker 3: their support. Second of all, perhaps the emplacement of some
Speaker 3: kind of a peacekeeping force to monitor whatever the agreement
Speaker 3: determined in terms of territorial changes, if those were made.
Speaker 3: This was done back in two thousand and fourteen, following
Speaker 3: the invasion of Russia of the Crimea and also a
Speaker 3: portion of Dombas under the austices of the Organization for
Speaker 3: Security Cooperation in Europe. They're quite frankly, the Russian's basically
Speaker 3: ignored a lot of those peacekeepers that were present and
Speaker 3: clearly prepared to do what they then did in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. So the question of peacekeeping also means, are
Speaker 3: you going to have a very small force just can
Speaker 3: kind of monitor what's going on Some people call that
Speaker 3: bluff and prey, or are you going to put a
Speaker 3: larger force in up saying a couple hundred thousand peacekeepers
Speaker 3: that actually have the physical capacity not only to terra
Speaker 3: as it's going to attack, but actually defense.
Speaker 1: Do you have any optimism that Europe has the will
Speaker 1: to actively participate in that sort of program.
Speaker 3: I think the Europeans will is growing, But of course
Speaker 3: there's two things they've got to have. They've got to
Speaker 3: have the political capital, better the population support for programs
Speaker 3: and policies like that, and then the economic capacity to
Speaker 3: expand their own internal defense industries and expand their military significantly.
Speaker 3: And that's going to take some time. There's already clear
Speaker 3: discussions ongoing between the British and the French. I'm told
Speaker 3: they're talking about implementing some kind of of an air
Speaker 3: effort that would supplement for peacekeeping force on the ground. Again,
Speaker 3: this is all preliminary. Would that be some kind of
Speaker 3: a no fly zone whereby European aircraft would be over
Speaker 3: the battlefield area? And if the Russians violated that airspace
Speaker 3: heedsed by launching missiles into it or bringing their aircraft
Speaker 3: into it, that they again that would be engaged. But
Speaker 3: all again, that is very preliminary and it remains to
Speaker 3: be seen. And furthermore, of course, the real question is
Speaker 3: where and when and how are these negotiations going to
Speaker 3: occur that are going to craft this particular agreement. And
Speaker 3: initially it appeared that it was going to be a
Speaker 3: bilateral negotiation from the United States and Russia. Well, the Ukrainians,
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons, pushed back on that you're negotiating about US.
Speaker 3: So the President now acknowledge that Ukraine won't be participating,
Speaker 3: But it's unclear what that means. Is this going to
Speaker 3: be a trilateral negotiation of three countries, going to be
Speaker 3: a bilateral negotiation between the Nie States in Russia with
Speaker 3: Ukraine in the next room, or are the Ukrainians and
Speaker 3: Russians gonna have a byladder on negotiation with the United
Speaker 3: States as a mediator. Those diplomatic nuances are very important,
Speaker 3: not only in terms of what that solution looks like,
Speaker 3: but frankly, how it actually is conducted and concluded.
Speaker 1: And we both know that if there's an asymmetry of
Speaker 1: desire to reach a deal in whatever sort of negotiation
Speaker 1: you're talking about, the person who is willing to walk
Speaker 1: away has an enormous advantage. How anxious is putin at
Speaker 1: this point to end the war and come to some
Speaker 1: sort of deal, I think.
Speaker 3: He's more anxious than we might well imagine. Everybody said, well,
Speaker 3: it's inevitable the Russians are going to win, so we
Speaker 3: should give in to him. And it concerns me, frankly,
Speaker 3: that the administration has already made major concessions in advance.
Speaker 3: Whether you agree with those concessions or not, you don't
Speaker 3: go into an agreement say hey, I'm going to give
Speaker 3: you these following things. Let's talk and what have we
Speaker 3: giving them? Well, we've said, first of all, Ukraine will
Speaker 3: never be into NATO number one. We've already said that
Speaker 3: Ukraine has to make certain territorial concessions. The President's already said, well,
Speaker 3: we should bring Russia back in the G seven. There's
Speaker 3: even been some talk of reducing to other sanctions. Well,
Speaker 3: those might all be appropriate concessions to make, making them
Speaker 3: before you've actually begun the conversation does not appear to
Speaker 3: me to be a terrific negotiating strategy.
Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff mccouslan online, CBS News Military consultant. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the very concept of striking a
Speaker 1: deal with Vladimir Putin. How does he differ from other
Speaker 1: leaders of major powers that we might sign a treaty with.
Speaker 3: Well, person, only, you can't trust this guy. He's violated
Speaker 3: about every agreement you can think of. You know there
Speaker 3: was an agreement reach that MINS about the invasion of
Speaker 3: the Don Boss in Crimea twenty fourteen, which of course
Speaker 3: he has violated. And as we to answer better, the
Speaker 3: last question is does he want a deal?
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 3: I think he's being forced to think about that because
Speaker 3: he's had seven hundred thousand casualtis, maybe one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty thousand of those are dead. He's lost thousands of
Speaker 3: pieces of equipment, tanks, artillery, armed personnel, cares. I was
Speaker 3: talking to colleagues of mine who monitored us very closely,
Speaker 3: and they told me the Russians are now employing T
Speaker 3: fifty five tanks on the battlefield. These were made in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. There have been some suggestion that sixty percent
Speaker 3: of all the artillery being fired by the Russian military
Speaker 3: right now in Ukraine is made in North Korea. And
Speaker 3: so he's starting to have some very severe manpower issues
Speaker 3: to keep that force going if you're losing a thousand
Speaker 3: guys or more a day, which is what the Russians
Speaker 3: are in fact doing. So the one thing he fears,
Speaker 3: of course, is being forced into a mobilization of the population,
Speaker 3: which would be very politically unpopular at home. Also, the
Speaker 3: economically Russia right now has about a nine to nine
Speaker 3: and a half percent inflation rate in Russia about twenty
Speaker 3: one percent. Would you and I Jack can only imagine
Speaker 3: how the average American would react to that. So he
Speaker 3: has some motivations, But at the same time, without commitments
Speaker 3: and without the ability to verifying agreement and enforce agreement,
Speaker 3: you can't trust about recruiting at all.
Speaker 1: We don't like unnecessary, unnecessary hyperbole around here if we
Speaker 1: can avoid it. But as a guy who grew up
Speaker 1: in the post two WW two era and the Cold
Speaker 1: warror and the rest of it, then the dissolution of
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: This era that we're at the dawn of seems.
Speaker 1: Unbelievably unstable virtually everywhere you look.
Speaker 2: Would you agree what concerns you the most? Well?
Speaker 3: I would agree wholehearty. And we've had a system of
Speaker 3: international norms, international institution, the rules of the Road that
Speaker 3: was established at the end of World War Two that
Speaker 3: we're about to give away. Let's be very candid about that.
Speaker 3: This is coming to a close if we're not careful.
Speaker 3: The commitments we've made to to NATO, which has been
Speaker 3: the most successful alliance in the history of Man is
Speaker 3: that we're about to walk away from like that, which
Speaker 3: will be enormously unsettling in Europe. Secondly, of course, this
Speaker 3: has a ripple effect all the way around the globe.
Speaker 3: If anybody doesn't think that Jijing Ping is watching this
Speaker 3: very closely and saying to himself, well, if the Americans
Speaker 3: are willing to walk away from seventy five years of
Speaker 3: commitment to NATO and take Vladimir Putin's talking points, and
Speaker 3: also walking away from Ukraine, then there really should be
Speaker 3: no problem with us invading Taiwan some bright day. The
Speaker 3: Americans will probably complain, but they'll they'll do very very
Speaker 3: little about that. And our allies in Asia that mister Biden,
Speaker 3: when he was president least was trying to establish a
Speaker 3: more cohesive alliance with the Japanese, with the Koreans, and
Speaker 3: those countries working together support to Taiwan's alliances with the Philippines, Australia,
Speaker 3: possibly in India. The question they will be asked themselves
Speaker 3: as well, if the Americans are no longer reliable partners
Speaker 3: for the European friends of twenty five years, why can
Speaker 3: we depend on the Americans to come to ouran Perhaps
Speaker 3: we should cut our own deals with the Chinese and
Speaker 3: try to get the best deal we can. If that's
Speaker 3: not bad enough, One of the things that we have
Speaker 3: done over those period of times since World War Two
Speaker 3: is obviously extend the American Nuclear Security Guarantee. This ensured
Speaker 3: that a large number of countries did not then create
Speaker 3: their own nuclear weapons because they depended on that guarantee. Well,
Speaker 3: if we walk away, those countries may say, well, we're
Speaker 3: on our own, and one way to ensure a conflict
Speaker 3: is to acquire nuclear weapons. And certainly countries like hey, Germany, Sweden, Finland,
Speaker 3: perhaps Poland surely had the industrial capacity to produce nuclear weapons,
Speaker 3: as do the Koreans, as do the Japanese. Even Taiwan
Speaker 3: at one time had a nation nuclear program. It might
Speaker 3: they think that's one way to deterre Chinese aggression in
Speaker 3: a world of thirty forty fifty countries are but nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons doesn't seem to me to be a stable point.
Speaker 1: Wow, buckle up, doctor Jeff mccauslin's CBS News military consultant.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the time, Jeff, Really great stuff.
Speaker 2: Take care Jack, Thanks you got it. Yeah, don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. It's fine. It's fine Jackson vacation.
Speaker 7: Eh.
Speaker 1: So yeah, gully Gy. It's like they say about your health.
Speaker 1: If you have your health, nobody thinks about it. If
Speaker 1: you don't have your health, it's all you can think about.
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that even though a lot of us grew
Speaker 1: up in the you know, when obviously we grew up
Speaker 1: had the Cold War and the threat of nuclear war
Speaker 1: hanging over us. I mean, it's not like I thought
Speaker 1: about it on the baseball field or when I was
Speaker 1: trying to woo my best girl.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 1: Stable instability, you know, the mutually assured destruction, determs and
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It was a fairly stable world.
Speaker 1: And then the dissolution of the Soviet Union unfolded reasonably
Speaker 1: well really, but what a blip that was compared to
Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen through nineteen forty five. And it appears that
Speaker 1: that blip is now over, for better or worse. And
Speaker 1: we and our leaders and our allies will do our
Speaker 1: best to keep some level of stability going just so
Speaker 1: people can live their lives and enjoy the good things
Speaker 1: in life. But yeah, we definitely need to be standing
Speaker 1: on our garden thinking long term.
Speaker 2: And I hope the Potus, for all of his.
Speaker 1: Bluster and occasionally shooting out his mouth, is thinking long term,
Speaker 1: because we need to for the American people.
Speaker 2: We'll finish strong, next strong. I think naps are the
Speaker 2: most disgusting thing you can do. Gree There's another word
Speaker 2: for napping.
Speaker 5: It's called sleeping, and sleeping should be done at night.
Speaker 4: There's nothing you should do where you wake up that
Speaker 4: disoriented and feel sick.
Speaker 2: Knops are for pets and for babies. It always feels
Speaker 2: like you've had a hangover.
Speaker 5: When you wake up from a knap, you are the
Speaker 5: most foul you'll ever be.
Speaker 2: Bad, breath, ugly, puffy eyes, sick. That's what a knop is.
Speaker 4: How stupid do you have to be be able to
Speaker 4: turn your brain off in the middle of the day?
Speaker 2: Knop Taking a knop?
Speaker 1: She says, it was, oh, you know you had me
Speaker 1: at Hello, you lost me at knop knop. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all controversial and stoke an argument online
Speaker 1: and gay lots and lots of engagement, just so over it,
Speaker 1: total rage bait, right, thank you? Yeah, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta learn all those hipster terms, or do I m.
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's handy if you're gonna exist at all in
Speaker 1: the online world, you at least know some of the
Speaker 1: lingo rage bait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 4: I would love to know what she does for a
Speaker 4: living or lack thereof.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's a cop sitter who has time for knops. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh boy.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to decide whether we have time for
Speaker 1: this really interesting and weighty topic two minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I have it in me.
Speaker 1: It's about the birthright citizenship thing, and it's really interesting,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm tired, tired. Take a nap this weekend. You should
Speaker 2: take a knop.
Speaker 1: I should take a knop and then I'll totally wake
Speaker 1: up from a knop and rub the sleep out of
Speaker 1: my eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't I tell you what.
Speaker 1: The cat nap, the brain reset cat nap is one
Speaker 1: of the most amazing things that exists.
Speaker 2: I can't always get her done.
Speaker 1: I've heard it described as a nap where you like,
Speaker 1: lay down on the couch, close your eyes, space out, whatever,
Speaker 1: maybe a little white noise on the phone, whatever you like,
Speaker 1: and if you have a book in your hand, you
Speaker 1: fall asleep just to the point that you drop the
Speaker 1: book and it wakes you up, huh, and that resets
Speaker 1: your brain in a way that it's difficult to explain,
Speaker 1: Like when I get done with the show. It's not
Speaker 1: like we're digging ditches around here, but it takes a
Speaker 1: fair amount of converse concentration, enough concentration to say concentration,
Speaker 1: not conversation for instance. Obviously it's waning, but by the
Speaker 1: end of it a mentally like shot. And if I
Speaker 1: can take the ten to fifteen minute cat nap, it's
Speaker 1: like hitting a reset Button's cott nap, so the internet
Speaker 1: morons can stuff it.
Speaker 2: I've never taken a cat nap.
Speaker 4: I don't sleep well period, but it's if I take
Speaker 4: a nap, it's too long.
Speaker 2: Usually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be careful with that because it can
Speaker 1: keep you up in night and you're better off just
Speaker 1: going to bed, really really tired and go to sleep.
Speaker 2: Why do you have sleep troubles? Is it the terrible
Speaker 2: things you've done?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They haunt me. Yeah, trust I know what you mean.
Speaker 4: I lay down and it's like me laying down to
Speaker 4: go to bed is my brain's cue to just go
Speaker 4: nuts thinking about anything and everything.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, Yeah, there's gotta be a cure.
Speaker 1: For that. Do you wind down or do you like
Speaker 1: go straight from activity to trying to go to sleep?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 4: I wind down ish, you know, I'll like usually on
Speaker 4: my way into the bedroom, like I'll pick up a
Speaker 4: couple of things or do whatever and then go to bed.
Speaker 1: But have you ever tried the deal where you have
Speaker 1: a pad and pen next to your bed and if
Speaker 1: you start to worry about something, you write it down
Speaker 1: and say to yourself, there it is.
Speaker 2: I'll think about it in the morning. I won't forget.
Speaker 2: It'll be right there for me. It really helps.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm starting that tonight.
Speaker 2: Always try vodka. No, yeah, that too. Hey, kids, it's
Speaker 2: that time again with Armstrong and getdy. Let's do final thoughts.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host me.
Speaker 1: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew
Speaker 1: to wrap things up for the day. Our technical director
Speaker 1: Mike Langelo keeping us on the air, will lead us off.
Speaker 2: Michael, talk to us. Just happy birthday to our good
Speaker 2: friend Jack.
Speaker 5: I hope he's doing well, and I just don't want
Speaker 5: to see him on the news this weekend, that's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide whether it was a mistake not
Speaker 1: to have like a big deal for my birthday.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know this sounds odd, but I'm not comfortable being
Speaker 1: the center of attention in real life anyway.
Speaker 4: Final thought, Katie, Yeah, same as Michael. Happy birthday to Jack,
Speaker 4: and I hope he has at least.
Speaker 2: One solid bang bang this weekend. Bo to back big meal.
Speaker 1: The way he eats would put me in the hospital. Michael,
Speaker 1: plain me Clip thirty five. Here's my final thought. Chainsaw.
Speaker 2: This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: Turns all, these are odd times, these are odd times.
Speaker 1: Change potent's invading foreign countries are President blames the victim.
Speaker 1: He's probably working at something, But you got the richest
Speaker 1: man on earth dancing around chain saw.
Speaker 2: Crouds all.
Speaker 1: SpaceX just pulled off another miracle, a technical leap forward
Speaker 1: this week. Nobody's even talking about it because Elon Musk
Speaker 1: is dancing around with.
Speaker 2: The chainsaw Chad Saw Odd Times.
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Speaker 2: God bless America. Armstrong and Getty were unquestionably in poor taste.
Speaker 2: They need to tone it down. And when it's over,
Speaker 2: it is over. It is over, And I think I
Speaker 2: have the power to end this let hell break out.
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously it's not serious. It's huge and
Speaker 2: you know what, everybody knows it. One final message, It's cool. Bye, bye,
Speaker 2: Great Friday. The Armstrong and Getty