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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Yetty. How

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Speaker 2: you doing.

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Speaker 1: We're a million miles from victory. But later this half

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Speaker 1: hour a couple of examples where WOKE is definitely on

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Speaker 1: the retreat. Part of that is it's just laying low

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Speaker 1: or has changed its stripes or changed the name of this,

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Speaker 1: that and the other to pretend that it's not still

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Speaker 1: doing what it's doing. So again, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a long, long, long, long fight, but at least there

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Speaker 1: are signs of progress. Later on the hour, going to

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Speaker 1: be talking to CBS military analyst Jeff mccauslin about the

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Speaker 1: situation Ukraine and and just Europe in general, as I

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Speaker 1: think it's at least possible that there is an era

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Speaker 1: of real instability about to start. You know what's funny

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Speaker 1: is nobody ever talks about one of the major factors,

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Speaker 1: how long Putin lives. He's in his seventies now, he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna live forever anyway, So that is to come.

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Speaker 1: Plus boy, all sorts of good stuff. Let's take a moment, though,

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Speaker 1: to take fun look back at the week that was.

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Speaker 1: The Friday tradition is cow clips of the week.

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Speaker 3: They need to tone it down.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you guys, not Grady the whips of the week. Great,

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Speaker 2: We're in a brave new world.

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Speaker 1: Not my Captain America okay, Fiancas and sorry, and Kanye

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Speaker 2: I just hope this doesn't make Kanye do something stupid.

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Speaker 4: It didn't reach that level to me to say something

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Speaker 2: And maybe you shouldn't have gone on the trip. Why

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Speaker 5: I mean I think that that's one of the things

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Speaker 5: we need to look at.

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Speaker 6: President Trump sending shock waves throughout Europe.

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Speaker 2: You should have never started it. You could have made

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Speaker 2: a deal. Doubling down and accusing the Ukrainian leader of

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Speaker 2: being a dictator, a dictator without elections. Zelensky better move

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Speaker 2: fast or he's not going to have a country left.

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Speaker 2: Got to move got to move fast.

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Speaker 1: Zelenski, who's pulling over fifty percent cooling Trump's accusation Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 2: They need to.

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Speaker 1: Tone it down and take a hard look and sign

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Speaker 1: that deal.

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Speaker 2: As a war criminal and should be in jail. For

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Speaker 6: I trust a scottlike I trust gas stations solution, and

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Speaker 6: I think I have the power to end this war,

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Speaker 6: and I think it's going very well.

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Speaker 2: Free speech meets boundaries, so we said no, we have

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Speaker 2: free speech as well, but it also his limits. You

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Speaker 2: might sue them, I might choose up.

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Speaker 7: What no democracy, American, German or European will survive is

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Speaker 7: telling millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their

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Speaker 7: aspirations they're pleased for relief are invalid.

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Speaker 1: He was standing in a country where free speech was.

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Speaker 2: Weaponized to kentuct a genocide. Why would our allies there

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Speaker 2: anybody be irritated by free speech and by someone giving

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Speaker 2: their opinion. We are, after all, democracies, you know, I

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Speaker 2: wanted to find somebody smarter than him, We said a little, Well,

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Speaker 7: We've got people that are taking faxes off facts machines.

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Speaker 1: They had to leave the building and they were never

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Speaker 2: Again. It comes down to two things, competence and caring.

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Speaker 1: You could be talking about saving over a trillion dollars if.

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Speaker 2: You're doing solve the deficit. I mean I will go

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, there, boy, turns you know what I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about? Briefly, Elon Michael, do me a favor.

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Speaker 2: This is the lead.

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Speaker 5: See where he's got for a slim majority using presidential power.

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Speaker 2: Fifty two percent say he's gone too far? There uh

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Speaker 2: cutting federal programs? Fifty one percent of Americans say gone too.

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Speaker 1: Far So breathless reporting of various polls that express skepticism

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Speaker 1: about some of the things Trump and Elon Musk are doing.

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Speaker 1: And as always I must point out, we must point

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Speaker 1: Gotta help you, And it doesn't surprise me if a

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Speaker 1: It's not on the facts of that person. You hardly

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Speaker 1: And here's an example for you. It's clip number eighty, Michael.

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Speaker 1: This is a variety of talking heads talking during the campaign.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this when there was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a flap about IVF There was a court case was

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Speaker 2: And here's what it sounded like. Under Donald Trump and JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance's policies and proposals, of course, we would see total

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Speaker 2: They clearly, as you said, hate women.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is the father not of IVF, but of

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Speaker 1: So I was talking to a couple of fellas yesterday

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Speaker 1: literally crying because their gay marriage or their their friends

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Speaker 1: They sincerely believe that. And these are not stupid people,

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Speaker 1: because wildly wildly misinformed is different than stupid. But there

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Speaker 1: Like all that crap about how Trump is against IVF

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Speaker 1: access to in vitro fertilization for Americans, directs policy recommendations

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Speaker 1: But it was utterly, utterly the opposite of the truth

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Speaker 1: So I'm so tempted to geek out on the German election.

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Speaker 5: So, at first glance, this very much looks like a

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Speaker 5: What is not normal is that the far right is

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Speaker 5: The polls show the alternative for Germany, known as the

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Speaker 1: Some encouraging signs in a moment stay with us. I

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Speaker 1: keep meaning to dig up the podcast from last Friday's

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Speaker 3: Help me, Well, peace for a settlement for Ukraine would

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Speaker 1: We don't like unnecessary, unnecessary hyperbole around here if we

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Speaker 3: will be enormously unsettling in Europe. Secondly, of course, this

436
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Speaker 3: has a ripple effect all the way around the globe.

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Speaker 3: If anybody doesn't think that Jijing Ping is watching this

438
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Speaker 3: very closely and saying to himself, well, if the Americans

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Speaker 3: are willing to walk away from seventy five years of

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Speaker 3: commitment to NATO and take Vladimir Putin's talking points, and

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Speaker 3: also walking away from Ukraine, then there really should be

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Speaker 3: no problem with us invading Taiwan some bright day. The

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Speaker 3: Americans will probably complain, but they'll they'll do very very

444
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Speaker 3: little about that. And our allies in Asia that mister Biden,

445
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: when he was president least was trying to establish a

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Speaker 3: more cohesive alliance with the Japanese, with the Koreans, and

447
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Speaker 3: those countries working together support to Taiwan's alliances with the Philippines, Australia,

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Speaker 3: possibly in India. The question they will be asked themselves

449
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: as well, if the Americans are no longer reliable partners

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Speaker 3: for the European friends of twenty five years, why can

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Speaker 3: we depend on the Americans to come to ouran Perhaps

452
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Speaker 3: we should cut our own deals with the Chinese and

453
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Speaker 3: try to get the best deal we can. If that's

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Speaker 3: not bad enough, One of the things that we have

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Speaker 3: done over those period of times since World War Two

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Speaker 3: is obviously extend the American Nuclear Security Guarantee. This ensured

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Speaker 3: that a large number of countries did not then create

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Speaker 3: their own nuclear weapons because they depended on that guarantee. Well,

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00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: if we walk away, those countries may say, well, we're

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Speaker 3: on our own, and one way to ensure a conflict

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Speaker 3: is to acquire nuclear weapons. And certainly countries like hey, Germany, Sweden, Finland,

462
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Speaker 3: perhaps Poland surely had the industrial capacity to produce nuclear weapons,

463
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Speaker 3: as do the Koreans, as do the Japanese. Even Taiwan

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Speaker 3: at one time had a nation nuclear program. It might

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Speaker 3: they think that's one way to deterre Chinese aggression in

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Speaker 3: a world of thirty forty fifty countries are but nuclear

467
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Speaker 3: weapons doesn't seem to me to be a stable point.

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Speaker 1: Wow, buckle up, doctor Jeff mccauslin's CBS News military consultant.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the time, Jeff, Really great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Take care Jack, Thanks you got it. Yeah, don't worry

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Speaker 2: about it. It's fine. It's fine Jackson vacation.

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Speaker 7: Eh.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, gully Gy. It's like they say about your health.

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Speaker 1: If you have your health, nobody thinks about it. If

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Speaker 1: you don't have your health, it's all you can think about.

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Speaker 1: I'm realizing that even though a lot of us grew

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Speaker 1: up in the you know, when obviously we grew up

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Speaker 1: had the Cold War and the threat of nuclear war

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Speaker 1: hanging over us. I mean, it's not like I thought

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Speaker 1: about it on the baseball field or when I was

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Speaker 1: trying to woo my best girl.

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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 1: Stable instability, you know, the mutually assured destruction, determs and

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It was a fairly stable world.

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Speaker 1: And then the dissolution of the Soviet Union unfolded reasonably

486
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Speaker 1: well really, but what a blip that was compared to

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifteen through nineteen forty five. And it appears that

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Speaker 1: that blip is now over, for better or worse. And

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Speaker 1: we and our leaders and our allies will do our

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Speaker 1: best to keep some level of stability going just so

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Speaker 1: people can live their lives and enjoy the good things

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Speaker 1: in life. But yeah, we definitely need to be standing

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Speaker 1: on our garden thinking long term.

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Speaker 2: And I hope the Potus, for all of his.

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Speaker 1: Bluster and occasionally shooting out his mouth, is thinking long term,

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Speaker 1: because we need to for the American people.

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Speaker 2: We'll finish strong, next strong. I think naps are the

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Speaker 2: most disgusting thing you can do. Gree There's another word

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Speaker 2: for napping.

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Speaker 5: It's called sleeping, and sleeping should be done at night.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing you should do where you wake up that

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Speaker 4: disoriented and feel sick.

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Speaker 2: Knops are for pets and for babies. It always feels

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Speaker 2: like you've had a hangover.

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Speaker 5: When you wake up from a knap, you are the

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Speaker 5: most foul you'll ever be.

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Speaker 2: Bad, breath, ugly, puffy eyes, sick. That's what a knop is.

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Speaker 4: How stupid do you have to be be able to

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Speaker 4: turn your brain off in the middle of the day?

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Speaker 2: Knop Taking a knop?

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Speaker 1: She says, it was, oh, you know you had me

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Speaker 1: at Hello, you lost me at knop knop. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all controversial and stoke an argument online

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Speaker 1: and gay lots and lots of engagement, just so over it,

515
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Speaker 1: total rage bait, right, thank you? Yeah, I gotta I

516
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: gotta learn all those hipster terms, or do I m.

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's handy if you're gonna exist at all in

519
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Speaker 1: the online world, you at least know some of the

520
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: lingo rage bait.

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00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 4: I would love to know what she does for a

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Speaker 4: living or lack thereof.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she's a cop sitter who has time for knops. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh boy.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to decide whether we have time for

527
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: this really interesting and weighty topic two minutes.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I have it in me.

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Speaker 1: It's about the birthright citizenship thing, and it's really interesting,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know.

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00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm tired, tired. Take a nap this weekend. You should

532
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: take a knop.

533
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: I should take a knop and then I'll totally wake

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Speaker 1: up from a knop and rub the sleep out of

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Speaker 1: my eyes.

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00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh, don't I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: The cat nap, the brain reset cat nap is one

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Speaker 1: of the most amazing things that exists.

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Speaker 2: I can't always get her done.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it described as a nap where you like,

541
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Speaker 1: lay down on the couch, close your eyes, space out, whatever,

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little white noise on the phone, whatever you like,

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00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: and if you have a book in your hand, you

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00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: fall asleep just to the point that you drop the

545
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: book and it wakes you up, huh, and that resets

546
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: your brain in a way that it's difficult to explain,

547
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Like when I get done with the show. It's not

548
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: like we're digging ditches around here, but it takes a

549
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: fair amount of converse concentration, enough concentration to say concentration,

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: not conversation for instance. Obviously it's waning, but by the

551
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: end of it a mentally like shot. And if I

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Speaker 1: can take the ten to fifteen minute cat nap, it's

553
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: like hitting a reset Button's cott nap, so the internet

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Speaker 1: morons can stuff it.

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00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: I've never taken a cat nap.

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Speaker 4: I don't sleep well period, but it's if I take

557
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: a nap, it's too long.

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Speaker 2: Usually.

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00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be careful with that because it can

560
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: keep you up in night and you're better off just

561
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: going to bed, really really tired and go to sleep.

562
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: Why do you have sleep troubles? Is it the terrible

563
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: things you've done?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

565
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: They haunt me. Yeah, trust I know what you mean.

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Speaker 4: I lay down and it's like me laying down to

567
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: go to bed is my brain's cue to just go

568
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: nuts thinking about anything and everything.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Yeah, there's gotta be a cure.

570
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: For that. Do you wind down or do you like

571
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Speaker 1: go straight from activity to trying to go to sleep?

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Speaker 3: Ah?

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00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: I wind down ish, you know, I'll like usually on

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Speaker 4: my way into the bedroom, like I'll pick up a

575
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Speaker 4: couple of things or do whatever and then go to bed.

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Speaker 1: But have you ever tried the deal where you have

577
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Speaker 1: a pad and pen next to your bed and if

578
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: you start to worry about something, you write it down

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Speaker 1: and say to yourself, there it is.

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Speaker 2: I'll think about it in the morning. I won't forget.

581
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: It'll be right there for me. It really helps.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm starting that tonight.

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Speaker 2: Always try vodka. No, yeah, that too. Hey, kids, it's

584
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: that time again with Armstrong and getdy. Let's do final thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Now here's your host me.

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Speaker 1: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew

587
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Speaker 1: to wrap things up for the day. Our technical director

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Speaker 1: Mike Langelo keeping us on the air, will lead us off.

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Speaker 2: Michael, talk to us. Just happy birthday to our good

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Speaker 2: friend Jack.

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Speaker 5: I hope he's doing well, and I just don't want

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Speaker 5: to see him on the news this weekend, that's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide whether it was a mistake not

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Speaker 1: to have like a big deal for my birthday.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know this sounds odd, but I'm not comfortable being

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Speaker 1: the center of attention in real life anyway.

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Speaker 4: Final thought, Katie, Yeah, same as Michael. Happy birthday to Jack,

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Speaker 4: and I hope he has at least.

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Speaker 2: One solid bang bang this weekend. Bo to back big meal.

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Speaker 1: The way he eats would put me in the hospital. Michael,

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Speaker 1: plain me Clip thirty five. Here's my final thought. Chainsaw.

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Speaker 2: This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy.

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Speaker 1: Turns all, these are odd times, these are odd times.

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Speaker 1: Change potent's invading foreign countries are President blames the victim.

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Speaker 1: He's probably working at something, But you got the richest

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Speaker 1: man on earth dancing around chain saw.

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Speaker 2: Crouds all.

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Speaker 1: SpaceX just pulled off another miracle, a technical leap forward

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Speaker 1: this week. Nobody's even talking about it because Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: is dancing around with.

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Speaker 2: The chainsaw Chad Saw Odd Times.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four

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Speaker 1: hour workday, so many people to thank you a little

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Speaker 1: dot com We'll see you Monday.

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Speaker 2: God bless America. Armstrong and Getty were unquestionably in poor taste.

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Speaker 2: They need to tone it down. And when it's over,

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Speaker 2: it is over. It is over, And I think I

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Speaker 2: have the power to end this let hell break out.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound crazy? Yees?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously it's not serious. It's huge and

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Speaker 2: you know what, everybody knows it. One final message, It's cool. Bye, bye,

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Speaker 2: Great Friday. The Armstrong and Getty