WEBVTT - 6. Troubled Queen 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.600 It's a cliche truism that any time a sympathetic victim 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:10.440 disappears or is killed, there beatified by the press and 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.560 the public. So and so was innocent and kind. They 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:20.320 loved animals, They smiled all the time, the angelic aura descends. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:26.400 They are good and our villains quiet, angry, a loner, 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.680 a weirdo. They wore black, and there's always that one 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.720 neighbor who just knew something was off. What we choose 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.960 to remember about someone, especially someone we don't personally know, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.920 often depends more on the circumstances of their death or 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:47.800 disappearance than on who they actually were. That bipolar framework, 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.680 good versus evil flattens the missing and the dead into 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.760 two dimensional caricatures, robbing them of context. With this case, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.880 you might ask, well, why dig into snakehouse life? I 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.920 get it, But who she was? She was a hero, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.840 a victim, a dichotomy, aren't we all in the absence 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.360 of evidence. What's most important to me is that Sna 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.520 is missing, not was is. If there's a non nine 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:23.280 eleven explanation for her disappearance, which is possible, it's a 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.320 disservice to write her off as a saint Boom case closed. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.200 I think it's important to look at sna to really 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.520 look at her, not for the sake of sensationalism, not 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.640 to judge her, to understand her, to understand why alternative 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:50.360 explanations makes sense, or to rule them out. From my 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.920 Heart Radio, this is missing on nine eleven, The story 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.440 of one woman who vanished on the eve of history 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.720 and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:30.960 wall Sack. The speculation about snay House sexuality about her 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.359 love life started when her younger brother John told n 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.520 y p D Detective Richard Stark that shortly before nine 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.040 eleven he walked in on snay Hat having sex with 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.200 his girlfriend. John later denied telling that to Stark. In fact, 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.400 he denied even speaking to Stark. Ever, Stark laughed when 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.720 I told him this, Why would he make it up? 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.400 When that accusation became public, tabloids ran wild with headlines 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.680 like nine eleven trist twist is snay How bisexual? Was 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.760 she a lesbian? Was she having affairs? People close to 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.920 Snayhawk confirmed to me that she did have relationships with 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.200 both men and women, and she did have affairs. At first, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.080 I thought Ron and sna Ha had some kind of 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.760 open marriage, but no, Ron wasn't cool with it. As 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.880 for snay haus sexuality, who cares. I don't know how 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.480 she identified, so I'm not going to label her end 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.639 of story. But the state of her marriage, well, yeah, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.640 that matters, because nobody knows where sne Ha stayed the 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.360 night of September t with whom, or why she didn't 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.280 tell anyone where she was going to piece together her 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.200 final hours if she died, we need to answer those questions. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:54.040 Earlier this year, I interviewed one of sna has former supervisors, 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.320 a doctor who agreed to speak with me on the 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.320 condition that I refer to her only as Dr E. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.720 Dr E met snay in two thousand at Cabrini Medical 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:09.000 Center in Manhattan. Snay was extremely brilliant, she said, charming 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.320 and manipulative, someone who seemed to have problems with both 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:18.200 mental illness and substance abuse. Dr E speculated that snay 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.880 Ha was bipolar, repeatedly describing her as quote hyper sexual. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.680 She said that snay Haaw tried to sleep with both 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.919 her and her ex husband. Snay Haw was artistic and 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.640 an excellent writer. Dr E liked. She described her as 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.000 quote like a stoner According to Dr E, snay Hall 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.800 was not the doctor type. She didn't want to be 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.280 a doctor. Dr E said that at least once snay 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.839 Ha showed up to work intoxicated. She described her as 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.760 a binge, a holic. She also said, and this is 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.680 something I heard from many other people, that snay Hawk 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.839 could be quote off, not appropriate and vulgar. That she 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.840 casually and frequently used words like pussy and inappropriate situations 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.800 to dry. It seemed that snay how I was unhappy, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.240 that she was trying to escape something. She seemed troubled 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.120 during her time with me. She just seemed troubled, unhappy 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.520 at times, you know, a little bit of a loner. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.080 I would say, what was her personality like? Like if 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:22.760 you could she word to walk into the room and 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.800 start speaking with you, what was she like as outspoken, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.960 sometimes using curse words, you know, a little outspoken. Sometimes 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.880 you get the feeling that it was worth shock value. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:41.880 So can you describe her to me? Physically beautiful Indian, petite, 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:49.919 dark shiny hair, glossy, light, dark skinned and so and 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.680 you say intelligent? Um, extreme intelligence, not that it was 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:59.479 always used in the course of her work day. Um, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.800 because wasn't always into her work. Is the feeling that 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.800 I got. What do you mean by that? She would 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.880 show up, Um, not prepared to work is what I 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.560 would say, not prepared to work and didn't do her 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.840 homework in order to do her work. Did you get 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.200 the feeling that she wanted to be a doctor? Absolutely not. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.839 She did not, and actually she had voiced it to 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:26.159 me on many occasions. Kind of felt pushed into it. Um, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:30.640 maybe there's some other social pressures, family pressures. I'm not sure, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.200 but she kind of felt pushed into it and didn't 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.040 feel it was a good fit for her. She's more 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.320 on the artistic side, you see, artistic side. Was she 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.400 into painting? Writing? What was she into writing? Beautifully? Writing? 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:46.920 Also drawing, sketching things like that? Did she ever make 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.039 you any art? She didn't make me art, but she 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.760 was very generous and the fact that I'm not a 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.240 good writer, so she volunteered and invited me to her 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.960 apartment to help me with one of a writing assignment 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.560 it that I needed for a type of application. So 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.600 did she edit for you or well? I basically told 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.000 her what I wanted to say, and the way that 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.200 she had of writing it was a very poetic, you know, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.680 almost like pros. Did she tell you at any point 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:21.760 that she was thinking about quitting medicine? The feeling I got, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.960 and then in addition to the things she'd say about 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.920 I don't want to be here, gave me the idea 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.040 that she wishes there were way out but kind of 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.160 feeling trapped, and she was like, I don't want to 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:36.040 be here. So it's almost like I understood it as 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.840 she's feeling trapped for whatever reason. Um, what do you 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:46.960 think happened to her? It's my opinion. It's always been 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.120 my opinion since I heard about nine eleven and I 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.160 had seen some documentary on television and I thought, Oh, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.360 she finally got what she wanted. She got away. I 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.800 feel like she was unhappy in her marriage. Just that 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.960 my opinion based on her actions. And I felt like 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.200 she's the type of person that was so so incredibly 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.400 smart that if she wanted something to happen, she could 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.120 make it happen. So, UM, I don't feel like she 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.720 was a victim of nine eleven, but that's just my opinion. 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.720 I feel like she may be alive somewhere. Do you 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.800 think she had the intelligence to just pull something like that? 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.760 Off on the spot and then some how many people 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.959 have you met in your life that you would say 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.120 had that kind of ability? If you're you're smart, you're 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.439 a doctor, I would say maybe three, and she was 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.760 one of the three, right, Like a genius mind, you know, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.480 I guess to to kind of dig a little bit 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.000 into that when you say a genius mind, are really intelligent? Again, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.959 you know, let's say all doctors are intelligent, but obviously 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.439 around a lot of intelligent, smart people. Very different when 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.760 I say intelligence, and I also say like socially, she 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.800 would read the room. She could read people. Um. I 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.120 feel like when a person can read people, you're able 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.760 to manipulate them if you want to. So, yes, the 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.400 ability to get things done that she wanted done very persuasive. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.840 Did you know her as a friend or was it 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.679 purely professional? Both? Like I wouldn't say friend friend but acquaintance. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.839 I mean, she's a very kind person. She was nice 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.160 to me, generous, um. But we didn't spend much time 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.360 together outside the office, so to speak. But the time 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.040 we did spend it was nice. Did she have a 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.360 lot of friends, like I had said earlier, a bit 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.040 of a loner? I know she was married, So sometimes 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.760 doctors in residency don't hang out with other residents as 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.320 much if they're married. So you didn't know like any 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.720 anyone that you guys mutually knew was like a close 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.920 friend of hers or I really, if you asked me 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.520 to name her best friend, I wouldn't have a clue. 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.240 So what was she like at work as a resident? 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.360 What were her duties? And well, how good was she 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.320 at her job? I feel like she was efficient and 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.720 she got her job done, but it was in a 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.840 troubled way in my opinion, because sometimes, like I said, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.520 she would show up to work and not prepared, but 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.679 she was always able to do what she wanted to 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.160 do in a quick amount of time. So other doctors 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.440 may all take all day to get it done and 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.120 she'd be in and out. She is efficient when she 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.520 wanted to be. When you say not prepared, what did 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:39.840 you personally witness I witnessed alcohol in her breath and 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:44.400 one occasion and had to send her home only one time. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.640 That occasion was regarding alcohol. Other occasions were just really 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.319 ill prepared. Um, did you get the feeling or did 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:58.120 you have knowledge that she dealt with mental illness and 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:03.720 or sustained substance of use. I believe that there could 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.320 have been some besides the alcohol. I don't have any 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.600 proof of that. Did you get the feeling that she 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.040 was happy at Gabrini No? No, Like I said earlier, 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:19.600 definitely not. And it became more obvious as the year 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.640 went on. You know, it's early in the beginning. Everybody's 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:27.079 kind of excited. It became very obvious that if she 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.240 would either show up light or she would show up 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.720 with alcohol in her breath at one time, but that 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.000 was on the time eye witnessed. I don't know. I 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.560 know there were of other issues, like in an academic 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:44.520 nature and also um inappropriate behavior the chief residents were 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.880 called I'm aware of, but I don't have the details. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.480 Just inappropriate behavior towards attending staff, like male attending staff. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.079 I know that we were called, UH to also get involved, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.760 and when attending physician UH felt very uncomfortable on at 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.440 her advances and we had to ask her to leave 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:09.480 the office. Was that something that you saw repeatedly? So 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.240 these are isolated incidents, but more than one, so I 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.199 don't know, not multiply, you know, more than one, Huh. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.959 So one of the allegations after she disappeared was that 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.640 she was having affairs, that she was sleeping with men, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.600 sleeping with women. Um, did she ever confide in you 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.520 or did you ever see anything to substantiate any of that? Well, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.559 I felt on one occasion that she was very sexual 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.720 towards me in an inappropriate way for our relationship. And 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:45.160 in addition, my husband at the time also felt like 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.199 she was being very sexual towards him on one occasion 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.360 and including one of his friends. So there were a 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:57.160 couple occasions where she was just completely inappropriate. Can you 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.960 elaborate just what we wish witnessed? You know what we 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.760 witnessed our time with her, Like I said, just being 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.559 sexual or making sexual advances towards married men, and another 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.480 towards you towards your ex husband. What specifically, though, are 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.240 you comfortable saying or he did not go into detail 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:22.080 about he was very upset about it and towards you. Yeah, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:27.760 I'd rather not to say. So. You your gut feeling 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:33.000 is that she is alive, absolutely, Like I don't. I 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.800 just uh, maybe there's a tiny part left that I 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.479 would think maybe she's not. It would be really unfortunate. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:45.839 She was a talent um, but I just knowing her personality, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:51.160 I came to that conclusion. If she is somehow magically 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.439 out there listening to this, what would you tell her? 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.800 I hope she's happy. That's what I would tell her. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.839 I hope she's happy. It really blew me away that 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.720 Dr E, a logical, intelligent person who knew snay who 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:11.160 supervised her, thinks she's alive. She's not alone. Every single 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.199 person I interviewed, and I mean every person who knew 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.000 snay Ha personally accept her family told me they don't 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.600 think nine eleven is the answer. They blame either foul 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.920 play or they think she ran away and is alive. 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.920 In June of two thousand one, there was an incident 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.320 where the police were called to a bar where snay 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.720 Ha and um, one of your colleagues, we're out with 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.160 a group from Cabrini. Were you there? It was not No. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.960 I just I'm aware of the incident though, and so 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.760 the allegation that snay How made was that your colleague 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.200 assaulted her, and then she recanted that allegation. Obviously I 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.080 wasn't there, so I feel uncomfortable passing any kind of 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.400 judgment whether or not it was true, but she recanted 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.960 to the police and then she was charged um with 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.560 making a false accusation. Do you have any doubt that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.040 the accusation was false? You believe at all? Do you 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.760 believe the allegation that she made that she was assaulted 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.840 by your colleague? No, I don't. I don't. I just 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.440 don't believe it because the person that she was accusing 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.240 at the time was a close personal friend as well 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:52.080 as colleague. So that being said, knowing the personality types, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.760 what would be more apt to happen? Would I say 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:59.040 that it was probably a false statement. On June one, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.640 two thousand only eight two days before eleven, snay went 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.160 out with co workers to a bar near Cabrini. At 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.440 the bar, she said one of her male supervisors followed 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.680 her into a bathroom, pushed himself onto her, and tried 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:19.160 to kiss her. She said that she shoved the doctor away. Coincidentally, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.960 at the time, snay Haw, the doctor ron, and the 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.080 doctor's wife all lived in the same apartment building, a 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.000 building for medical residents. They actually lived on the same floor, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.000 according to the n y p D. The night of 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.360 the alleged assault, snayhow went back to the doctor's apartment, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.120 pushed open his door, sat on his couch, and refused 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.280 to leave. The Next day, after filing an official complaint, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.640 she allegedly called the doctor's wife three times, despite repeated 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.280 request that she stopped calling. According to the n y 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.320 p D, a few days after that, snay Haaw called 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.280 the doctor five times at work. She said, and this 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.880 is written in all caps and the report I obtained 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.800 quote if you don't want to speak to me, I'm 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.439 going to funk you up when I see you in 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:13.560 the street. Finally, according to NYPD records, on June two one, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.320 five days after the alleged assault, snay recanted. She told 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.320 a detective that quote, she was not sexually abused. This 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.800 is why I'm not naming the doctors say accused of assault. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.119 I did reach out to him, but he did not 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:33.359 respond to interview requests anyway. After snayha recanted, she was 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.880 charged with one count of second degree criminal trustpass, two 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.080 counts of second degree aggravated harassment, one count of third 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.440 degree assault, one count of third degree falsely reporting an incident, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.960 and three counts of second degree harassment. D NYPD arrested 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:52.040 snay Haa. She spent one night in jail. This is 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.960 when Ron and snay Ha hired attorney Mark Friedberg. This 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.200 is why Sna was in criminal court on the morning 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.040 of September ten, two thousand one, hours before she disappeared. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.200 DIDNA have any enemies? I don't know of any. I 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:12.080 wouldn't know, but nobody from any kind of advances or 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.040 anything that happened at the with anybody at Cabrini. Who 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.879 would have I mean, for example, like what your colleague 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.879 who she accused, could be considered an enemy, right, No, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.479 I wouldn't. He's the type of person that you know 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.919 is above a law. I mean, not above law, is 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.239 by the law. And um. What I would say is 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.760 he's kind of straight and narrow. That's what I mean, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.400 like by the law, not a law. Um. And so 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.960 I feel like once it's something is resolved that he 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.119 would move on because he was more career oriented than 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.200 did he tell you that? Did he describe what happened? 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.360 Did he was? He really upset at the whole thing. 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.280 I did not get the details. I just remember him 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.080 confiding to me that he had these allegations against him 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.400 snake House housemend Ron late her said she was miserable 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.880 at Cabrini In May two thousand one, Cabrini let her 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.359 contract expire. Technically she wasn't fired, but for all intents 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.840 and purposes, she was. One of the things that uh 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.119 Snaeha and Ron said after something how left Cabrini was 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.160 that there was an issue of racism and sexism at Cabrini, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.800 that it was very much a male dominated place, and 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.359 that they felt, in part that her contract was not 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.960 renewed um out of a sense of racism towards her 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.159 and possibly a sense of sexism. Did you did you 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.720 see that? Do you do you think there's any legitimacy 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.680 to that claim? I can't think of anything further from 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.920 the truth. I actually recall, first of all, I think 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.800 there were two female chief residents in one male, so 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.280 that's not male damnonate dominated. And then also the residency 0:19:55.359 --> 0:20:03.000 staff included vast ray you know, a different cultures and 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.600 different races. Um. I remember just one instance after nine eleven, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.400 and there was a guy from Afghanistan and the staff 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.960 just enveloped him and hugged him and baked cookies for him, 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:18.360 and you know, just absolutely the opposite. You know, there 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.480 were so many different races a lot of Hispanics though 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.840 people from Puerto Rico as well. Um, I cannot remember. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.280 And also I was kind of in awe of that 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.320 at this place was very cohesive. People just kind of 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.040 rallied around each other. And you didn't see the clicks 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.760 that I had seen in other either groups or offices 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.439 or hospitals, and you might see, like, you know, this 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:45.520 group stays together, this nationality stays together. It was completely 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.200 the opposite. So you are working there as a woman 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.560 in a supervisory capacity. You didn't have any issues none. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.639 Did you ever meet her husband? Raw just a couple 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.720 of times, like very briefly, Like I couldn't really comment 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.159 one on him except for his appearance kind of a 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:06.840 little bit shy. So she seemed very outgoing and cool, 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.399 and he was kind of what quiet, quiet, shy, maybe 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:16.480 a little nerdy to me? Smart? Smart? Did stay, however, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.120 confide anything else in you? Did she talk about her family? 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.080 Did she do? I know it's been twenty years and 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:24.480 it's it's been a while now, but do you have 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.200 any clear memories. I just remember her confiding in me 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:33.000 about not being happy in her current position, feeling pressured, 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.159 whether there was pressure or not from her family, but 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:38.080 feeling pressured to become a doctor and then realizing she 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.280 didn't really want to become one is what she confided 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.760 in me. Also about in her marriage, she just she 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:49.080 wasn't that happy. I didn't get many details, just not 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:54.080 feeling like that was maybe the one. Did she ever 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.760 tell you that she was thinking about leaving or running off? No, 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.600 so she never did give me any future plans. But 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:09.520 I did see an increase in UM, irregular behavior, inappropriate behavior, 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.000 So it was like from zero and then just kept 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:16.640 increasing over the last few months before she left. Uh 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:21.160 like a person you might call a person who's um 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.880 a little bit chaotic or maybe not have everything together, 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:29.720 who was getting worse. In the middle of our interview, 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.040 Dry pulled out her cell phone, dialed her ex husband 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.080 and put him on speaker. I asked him about snay Haa. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.480 His description was so similar to Dr Ease that I 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.680 suspected they spoke before I got there, But he said 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.359 they didn't. He spoke freely, but didn't want his voice 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.520 to appear on the show, so we're using an actor. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.760 She was a pretty girl. I think she was trying 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.840 to escape the life that she had. I don't think 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.520 she was happy with her life at that point, meaning 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.439 not that she would take her life, but almost like 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.199 someone who's forced to do something like maybe become a 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:11.159 doctor and married, and just wasn't happy in everything that 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.280 was going on in her world at the time. He 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.199 and doctor He lived in an apartment building across the 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.240 street from Ron and Snah. He said repeatedly that Snayhouse 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.760 seemed unhappy. I've always worked in sales my whole life 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:30.119 and am very much a people person, and I read 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.840 that right away on her. I just remember her not 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.720 being happy with her life, and I know she disappeared. 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.080 I'm not saying that she I don't think she would 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.080 take her life. She wasn't that type of unhappy. More, 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:44.720 she just wanted to change her life. She wanted to 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.919 change a big change, a major change. And do I 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.320 think she was suicidal or anything like that because she 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.960 was unhappy, Absolutely not. I think she loved life, she 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.840 just wasn't happy with the type of work, just her 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.600 whole situation at that point in her life, in that 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.439 time frame. I kind of thought when she disappeared, I 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.919 thought maybe she had done that on purpose, because it 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.720 was a way out. The last time he and dry saw. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.160 Snay Ha was around May two thousand one when snay 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.320 House contract that Cabrini ended. After Cabrini, snay Hawk got 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.280 a job at St. Vincent's medical Center on Staten Island, 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.520 where she worked for only ten weeks before nine eleven. 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:28.280 According to retired NYPD detective Richard Stark, snay has struggled 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.679 there too. By nine eleven, he said she was on 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:36.320 modified duty. This is yet another point of contention between 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.080 snay House family and the NYPD. Ron said that snay 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.760 Ha was happy at St. Vincent's, everything was fine. As 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.119 to her mental health, he testified that she was not depressed, 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.119 but he also testified that sna was seeing a therapist, 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.320 and on September two thousand one, when he filed a 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:59.480 complaint with the NYPD, Ron immediately noted that Snayhau was 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.639 taking to Russian medication and that she was a victim 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:07.640 of sexual assault, indicating he was worried about her mental state. Later, 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.159 he testified that right after nine eleven he looked for 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:16.200 snay and psychiatric institutions because quote, maybe she saw something 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:20.200 that just damaged her mind. On the other hand, Ken 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:23.919 go ont Ron's a private investigator testified that he found 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.840 quote no information that Miss Philip was depressed or upset. 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:34.160 It's hard, maybe even impossible, to reconcile these statements. Say 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.600 was happy, she was seeing a therapist, she was in 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.320 a good place mentally, she was on depression meds. She 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.960 was not suicidal, but her husband searched for her in 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:49.880 psychiatric hospitals, worried that she saw something eleven that made 0:25:49.880 --> 0:26:20.280 her snap. By Ron's own account, Snay was dealing with depression, 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.720 she was seeing a therapist, and she was taking medication. 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.000 And Ron was concerned enough about snay has mental state 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.800 that he looked for her in psychiatric hospitals. At the 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.000 beginning of this show, I said, there are four possible 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.440 logical explanations as to what may have happened to Snay 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:43.800 Haaven murder, suicide that she ran off. In my opinion, 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:48.679