Speaker 1: It's a cliche truism that any time a sympathetic victim
Speaker 1: disappears or is killed, there beatified by the press and
Speaker 1: the public. So and so was innocent and kind. They
Speaker 1: loved animals, They smiled all the time, the angelic aura descends.
Speaker 1: They are good and our villains quiet, angry, a loner,
Speaker 1: a weirdo. They wore black, and there's always that one
Speaker 1: neighbor who just knew something was off. What we choose
Speaker 1: to remember about someone, especially someone we don't personally know,
Speaker 1: often depends more on the circumstances of their death or
Speaker 1: disappearance than on who they actually were. That bipolar framework,
Speaker 1: good versus evil flattens the missing and the dead into
Speaker 1: two dimensional caricatures, robbing them of context. With this case,
Speaker 1: you might ask, well, why dig into snakehouse life? I
Speaker 1: get it, But who she was? She was a hero,
Speaker 1: a victim, a dichotomy, aren't we all in the absence
Speaker 1: of evidence. What's most important to me is that Sna
Speaker 1: is missing, not was is. If there's a non nine
Speaker 1: eleven explanation for her disappearance, which is possible, it's a
Speaker 1: disservice to write her off as a saint Boom case closed.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to look at sna to really
Speaker 1: look at her, not for the sake of sensationalism, not
Speaker 1: to judge her, to understand her, to understand why alternative
Speaker 1: explanations makes sense, or to rule them out. From my
Speaker 1: Heart Radio, this is missing on nine eleven, The story
Speaker 1: of one woman who vanished on the eve of history
Speaker 1: and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John
Speaker 1: wall Sack. The speculation about snay House sexuality about her
Speaker 1: love life started when her younger brother John told n
Speaker 1: y p D Detective Richard Stark that shortly before nine
Speaker 1: eleven he walked in on snay Hat having sex with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. John later denied telling that to Stark. In fact,
Speaker 1: he denied even speaking to Stark. Ever, Stark laughed when
Speaker 1: I told him this, Why would he make it up?
Speaker 1: When that accusation became public, tabloids ran wild with headlines
Speaker 1: like nine eleven trist twist is snay How bisexual? Was
Speaker 1: she a lesbian? Was she having affairs? People close to
Speaker 1: Snayhawk confirmed to me that she did have relationships with
Speaker 1: both men and women, and she did have affairs. At first,
Speaker 1: I thought Ron and sna Ha had some kind of
Speaker 1: open marriage, but no, Ron wasn't cool with it. As
Speaker 1: for snay haus sexuality, who cares. I don't know how
Speaker 1: she identified, so I'm not going to label her end
Speaker 1: of story. But the state of her marriage, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that matters, because nobody knows where sne Ha stayed the
Speaker 1: night of September t with whom, or why she didn't
Speaker 1: tell anyone where she was going to piece together her
Speaker 1: final hours if she died, we need to answer those questions.
Speaker 1: Earlier this year, I interviewed one of sna has former supervisors,
Speaker 1: a doctor who agreed to speak with me on the
Speaker 1: condition that I refer to her only as Dr E.
Speaker 1: Dr E met snay in two thousand at Cabrini Medical
Speaker 1: Center in Manhattan. Snay was extremely brilliant, she said, charming
Speaker 1: and manipulative, someone who seemed to have problems with both
Speaker 1: mental illness and substance abuse. Dr E speculated that snay
Speaker 1: Ha was bipolar, repeatedly describing her as quote hyper sexual.
Speaker 1: She said that snay Haaw tried to sleep with both
Speaker 1: her and her ex husband. Snay Haw was artistic and
Speaker 1: an excellent writer. Dr E liked. She described her as
Speaker 1: quote like a stoner According to Dr E, snay Hall
Speaker 1: was not the doctor type. She didn't want to be
Speaker 1: a doctor. Dr E said that at least once snay
Speaker 1: Ha showed up to work intoxicated. She described her as
Speaker 1: a binge, a holic. She also said, and this is
Speaker 1: something I heard from many other people, that snay Hawk
Speaker 1: could be quote off, not appropriate and vulgar. That she
Speaker 1: casually and frequently used words like pussy and inappropriate situations
Speaker 1: to dry. It seemed that snay how I was unhappy,
Speaker 1: that she was trying to escape something. She seemed troubled
Speaker 1: during her time with me. She just seemed troubled, unhappy
Speaker 1: at times, you know, a little bit of a loner.
Speaker 1: I would say, what was her personality like? Like if
Speaker 1: you could she word to walk into the room and
Speaker 1: start speaking with you, what was she like as outspoken,
Speaker 1: sometimes using curse words, you know, a little outspoken. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that it was worth shock value.
Speaker 1: So can you describe her to me? Physically beautiful Indian, petite,
Speaker 1: dark shiny hair, glossy, light, dark skinned and so and
Speaker 1: you say intelligent? Um, extreme intelligence, not that it was
Speaker 1: always used in the course of her work day. Um,
Speaker 1: because wasn't always into her work. Is the feeling that
Speaker 1: I got. What do you mean by that? She would
Speaker 1: show up, Um, not prepared to work is what I
Speaker 1: would say, not prepared to work and didn't do her
Speaker 1: homework in order to do her work. Did you get
Speaker 1: the feeling that she wanted to be a doctor? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: She did not, and actually she had voiced it to
Speaker 1: me on many occasions. Kind of felt pushed into it. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some other social pressures, family pressures. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but she kind of felt pushed into it and didn't
Speaker 1: feel it was a good fit for her. She's more
Speaker 1: on the artistic side, you see, artistic side. Was she
Speaker 1: into painting? Writing? What was she into writing? Beautifully? Writing?
Speaker 1: Also drawing, sketching things like that? Did she ever make
Speaker 1: you any art? She didn't make me art, but she
Speaker 1: was very generous and the fact that I'm not a
Speaker 1: good writer, so she volunteered and invited me to her
Speaker 1: apartment to help me with one of a writing assignment
Speaker 1: it that I needed for a type of application. So
Speaker 1: did she edit for you or well? I basically told
Speaker 1: her what I wanted to say, and the way that
Speaker 1: she had of writing it was a very poetic, you know,
Speaker 1: almost like pros. Did she tell you at any point
Speaker 1: that she was thinking about quitting medicine? The feeling I got,
Speaker 1: and then in addition to the things she'd say about
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, gave me the idea
Speaker 1: that she wishes there were way out but kind of
Speaker 1: feeling trapped, and she was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here. So it's almost like I understood it as
Speaker 1: she's feeling trapped for whatever reason. Um, what do you
Speaker 1: think happened to her? It's my opinion. It's always been
Speaker 1: my opinion since I heard about nine eleven and I
Speaker 1: had seen some documentary on television and I thought, Oh,
Speaker 1: she finally got what she wanted. She got away. I
Speaker 1: feel like she was unhappy in her marriage. Just that
Speaker 1: my opinion based on her actions. And I felt like
Speaker 1: she's the type of person that was so so incredibly
Speaker 1: smart that if she wanted something to happen, she could
Speaker 1: make it happen. So, UM, I don't feel like she
Speaker 1: was a victim of nine eleven, but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I feel like she may be alive somewhere. Do you
Speaker 1: think she had the intelligence to just pull something like that?
Speaker 1: Off on the spot and then some how many people
Speaker 1: have you met in your life that you would say
Speaker 1: had that kind of ability? If you're you're smart, you're
Speaker 1: a doctor, I would say maybe three, and she was
Speaker 1: one of the three, right, Like a genius mind, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess to to kind of dig a little bit
Speaker 1: into that when you say a genius mind, are really intelligent? Again,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say all doctors are intelligent, but obviously
Speaker 1: around a lot of intelligent, smart people. Very different when
Speaker 1: I say intelligence, and I also say like socially, she
Speaker 1: would read the room. She could read people. Um. I
Speaker 1: feel like when a person can read people, you're able
Speaker 1: to manipulate them if you want to. So, yes, the
Speaker 1: ability to get things done that she wanted done very persuasive.
Speaker 1: Did you know her as a friend or was it
Speaker 1: purely professional? Both? Like I wouldn't say friend friend but acquaintance.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's a very kind person. She was nice
Speaker 1: to me, generous, um. But we didn't spend much time
Speaker 1: together outside the office, so to speak. But the time
Speaker 1: we did spend it was nice. Did she have a
Speaker 1: lot of friends, like I had said earlier, a bit
Speaker 1: of a loner? I know she was married, So sometimes
Speaker 1: doctors in residency don't hang out with other residents as
Speaker 1: much if they're married. So you didn't know like any
Speaker 1: anyone that you guys mutually knew was like a close
Speaker 1: friend of hers or I really, if you asked me
Speaker 1: to name her best friend, I wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: So what was she like at work as a resident?
Speaker 1: What were her duties? And well, how good was she
Speaker 1: at her job? I feel like she was efficient and
Speaker 1: she got her job done, but it was in a
Speaker 1: troubled way in my opinion, because sometimes, like I said,
Speaker 1: she would show up to work and not prepared, but
Speaker 1: she was always able to do what she wanted to
Speaker 1: do in a quick amount of time. So other doctors
Speaker 1: may all take all day to get it done and
Speaker 1: she'd be in and out. She is efficient when she
Speaker 1: wanted to be. When you say not prepared, what did
Speaker 1: you personally witness I witnessed alcohol in her breath and
Speaker 1: one occasion and had to send her home only one time.
Speaker 1: That occasion was regarding alcohol. Other occasions were just really
Speaker 1: ill prepared. Um, did you get the feeling or did
Speaker 1: you have knowledge that she dealt with mental illness and
Speaker 1: or sustained substance of use. I believe that there could
Speaker 1: have been some besides the alcohol. I don't have any
Speaker 1: proof of that. Did you get the feeling that she
Speaker 1: was happy at Gabrini No? No, Like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: definitely not. And it became more obvious as the year
Speaker 1: went on. You know, it's early in the beginning. Everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of excited. It became very obvious that if she
Speaker 1: would either show up light or she would show up
Speaker 1: with alcohol in her breath at one time, but that
Speaker 1: was on the time eye witnessed. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: know there were of other issues, like in an academic
Speaker 1: nature and also um inappropriate behavior the chief residents were
Speaker 1: called I'm aware of, but I don't have the details.
Speaker 1: Just inappropriate behavior towards attending staff, like male attending staff.
Speaker 1: I know that we were called, UH to also get involved,
Speaker 1: and when attending physician UH felt very uncomfortable on at
Speaker 1: her advances and we had to ask her to leave
Speaker 1: the office. Was that something that you saw repeatedly? So
Speaker 1: these are isolated incidents, but more than one, so I
Speaker 1: don't know, not multiply, you know, more than one, Huh.
Speaker 1: So one of the allegations after she disappeared was that
Speaker 1: she was having affairs, that she was sleeping with men,
Speaker 1: sleeping with women. Um, did she ever confide in you
Speaker 1: or did you ever see anything to substantiate any of that? Well,
Speaker 1: I felt on one occasion that she was very sexual
Speaker 1: towards me in an inappropriate way for our relationship. And
Speaker 1: in addition, my husband at the time also felt like
Speaker 1: she was being very sexual towards him on one occasion
Speaker 1: and including one of his friends. So there were a
Speaker 1: couple occasions where she was just completely inappropriate. Can you
Speaker 1: elaborate just what we wish witnessed? You know what we
Speaker 1: witnessed our time with her, Like I said, just being
Speaker 1: sexual or making sexual advances towards married men, and another
Speaker 1: towards you towards your ex husband. What specifically, though, are
Speaker 1: you comfortable saying or he did not go into detail
Speaker 1: about he was very upset about it and towards you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd rather not to say. So. You your gut feeling
Speaker 1: is that she is alive, absolutely, Like I don't. I
Speaker 1: just uh, maybe there's a tiny part left that I
Speaker 1: would think maybe she's not. It would be really unfortunate.
Speaker 1: She was a talent um, but I just knowing her personality,
Speaker 1: I came to that conclusion. If she is somehow magically
Speaker 1: out there listening to this, what would you tell her?
Speaker 1: I hope she's happy. That's what I would tell her.
Speaker 1: I hope she's happy. It really blew me away that
Speaker 1: Dr E, a logical, intelligent person who knew snay who
Speaker 1: supervised her, thinks she's alive. She's not alone. Every single
Speaker 1: person I interviewed, and I mean every person who knew
Speaker 1: snay Ha personally accept her family told me they don't
Speaker 1: think nine eleven is the answer. They blame either foul
Speaker 1: play or they think she ran away and is alive.
Speaker 1: In June of two thousand one, there was an incident
Speaker 1: where the police were called to a bar where snay
Speaker 1: Ha and um, one of your colleagues, we're out with
Speaker 1: a group from Cabrini. Were you there? It was not No.
Speaker 1: I just I'm aware of the incident though, and so
Speaker 1: the allegation that snay How made was that your colleague
Speaker 1: assaulted her, and then she recanted that allegation. Obviously I
Speaker 1: wasn't there, so I feel uncomfortable passing any kind of
Speaker 1: judgment whether or not it was true, but she recanted
Speaker 1: to the police and then she was charged um with
Speaker 1: making a false accusation. Do you have any doubt that
Speaker 1: the accusation was false? You believe at all? Do you
Speaker 1: believe the allegation that she made that she was assaulted
Speaker 1: by your colleague? No, I don't. I don't. I just
Speaker 1: don't believe it because the person that she was accusing
Speaker 1: at the time was a close personal friend as well
Speaker 1: as colleague. So that being said, knowing the personality types,
Speaker 1: what would be more apt to happen? Would I say
Speaker 1: that it was probably a false statement. On June one,
Speaker 1: two thousand only eight two days before eleven, snay went
Speaker 1: out with co workers to a bar near Cabrini. At
Speaker 1: the bar, she said one of her male supervisors followed
Speaker 1: her into a bathroom, pushed himself onto her, and tried
Speaker 1: to kiss her. She said that she shoved the doctor away. Coincidentally,
Speaker 1: at the time, snay Haw, the doctor ron, and the
Speaker 1: doctor's wife all lived in the same apartment building, a
Speaker 1: building for medical residents. They actually lived on the same floor,
Speaker 1: according to the n y p D. The night of
Speaker 1: the alleged assault, snayhow went back to the doctor's apartment,
Speaker 1: pushed open his door, sat on his couch, and refused
Speaker 1: to leave. The Next day, after filing an official complaint,
Speaker 1: she allegedly called the doctor's wife three times, despite repeated
Speaker 1: request that she stopped calling. According to the n y
Speaker 1: p D, a few days after that, snay Haaw called
Speaker 1: the doctor five times at work. She said, and this
Speaker 1: is written in all caps and the report I obtained
Speaker 1: quote if you don't want to speak to me, I'm
Speaker 1: going to funk you up when I see you in
Speaker 1: the street. Finally, according to NYPD records, on June two one,
Speaker 1: five days after the alleged assault, snay recanted. She told
Speaker 1: a detective that quote, she was not sexually abused. This
Speaker 1: is why I'm not naming the doctors say accused of assault.
Speaker 1: I did reach out to him, but he did not
Speaker 1: respond to interview requests anyway. After snayha recanted, she was
Speaker 1: charged with one count of second degree criminal trustpass, two
Speaker 1: counts of second degree aggravated harassment, one count of third
Speaker 1: degree assault, one count of third degree falsely reporting an incident,
Speaker 1: and three counts of second degree harassment. D NYPD arrested
Speaker 1: snay Haa. She spent one night in jail. This is
Speaker 1: when Ron and snay Ha hired attorney Mark Friedberg. This
Speaker 1: is why Sna was in criminal court on the morning
Speaker 1: of September ten, two thousand one, hours before she disappeared.
Speaker 1: DIDNA have any enemies? I don't know of any. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but nobody from any kind of advances or
Speaker 1: anything that happened at the with anybody at Cabrini. Who
Speaker 1: would have I mean, for example, like what your colleague
Speaker 1: who she accused, could be considered an enemy, right, No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. He's the type of person that you know
Speaker 1: is above a law. I mean, not above law, is
Speaker 1: by the law. And um. What I would say is
Speaker 1: he's kind of straight and narrow. That's what I mean,
Speaker 1: like by the law, not a law. Um. And so
Speaker 1: I feel like once it's something is resolved that he
Speaker 1: would move on because he was more career oriented than
Speaker 1: did he tell you that? Did he describe what happened?
Speaker 1: Did he was? He really upset at the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I did not get the details. I just remember him
Speaker 1: confiding to me that he had these allegations against him
Speaker 1: snake House housemend Ron late her said she was miserable
Speaker 1: at Cabrini In May two thousand one, Cabrini let her
Speaker 1: contract expire. Technically she wasn't fired, but for all intents
Speaker 1: and purposes, she was. One of the things that uh
Speaker 1: Snaeha and Ron said after something how left Cabrini was
Speaker 1: that there was an issue of racism and sexism at Cabrini,
Speaker 1: that it was very much a male dominated place, and
Speaker 1: that they felt, in part that her contract was not
Speaker 1: renewed um out of a sense of racism towards her
Speaker 1: and possibly a sense of sexism. Did you did you
Speaker 1: see that? Do you do you think there's any legitimacy
Speaker 1: to that claim? I can't think of anything further from
Speaker 1: the truth. I actually recall, first of all, I think
Speaker 1: there were two female chief residents in one male, so
Speaker 1: that's not male damnonate dominated. And then also the residency
Speaker 1: staff included vast ray you know, a different cultures and
Speaker 1: different races. Um. I remember just one instance after nine eleven,
Speaker 1: and there was a guy from Afghanistan and the staff
Speaker 1: just enveloped him and hugged him and baked cookies for him,
Speaker 1: and you know, just absolutely the opposite. You know, there
Speaker 1: were so many different races a lot of Hispanics though
Speaker 1: people from Puerto Rico as well. Um, I cannot remember.
Speaker 1: And also I was kind of in awe of that
Speaker 1: at this place was very cohesive. People just kind of
Speaker 1: rallied around each other. And you didn't see the clicks
Speaker 1: that I had seen in other either groups or offices
Speaker 1: or hospitals, and you might see, like, you know, this
Speaker 1: group stays together, this nationality stays together. It was completely
Speaker 1: the opposite. So you are working there as a woman
Speaker 1: in a supervisory capacity. You didn't have any issues none.
Speaker 1: Did you ever meet her husband? Raw just a couple
Speaker 1: of times, like very briefly, Like I couldn't really comment
Speaker 1: one on him except for his appearance kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit shy. So she seemed very outgoing and cool,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of what quiet, quiet, shy, maybe
Speaker 1: a little nerdy to me? Smart? Smart? Did stay, however,
Speaker 1: confide anything else in you? Did she talk about her family?
Speaker 1: Did she do? I know it's been twenty years and
Speaker 1: it's it's been a while now, but do you have
Speaker 1: any clear memories. I just remember her confiding in me
Speaker 1: about not being happy in her current position, feeling pressured,
Speaker 1: whether there was pressure or not from her family, but
Speaker 1: feeling pressured to become a doctor and then realizing she
Speaker 1: didn't really want to become one is what she confided
Speaker 1: in me. Also about in her marriage, she just she
Speaker 1: wasn't that happy. I didn't get many details, just not
Speaker 1: feeling like that was maybe the one. Did she ever
Speaker 1: tell you that she was thinking about leaving or running off? No,
Speaker 1: so she never did give me any future plans. But
Speaker 1: I did see an increase in UM, irregular behavior, inappropriate behavior,
Speaker 1: So it was like from zero and then just kept
Speaker 1: increasing over the last few months before she left. Uh
Speaker 1: like a person you might call a person who's um
Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic or maybe not have everything together,
Speaker 1: who was getting worse. In the middle of our interview,
Speaker 1: Dry pulled out her cell phone, dialed her ex husband
Speaker 1: and put him on speaker. I asked him about snay Haa.
Speaker 1: His description was so similar to Dr Ease that I
Speaker 1: suspected they spoke before I got there, But he said
Speaker 1: they didn't. He spoke freely, but didn't want his voice
Speaker 1: to appear on the show, so we're using an actor.
Speaker 1: She was a pretty girl. I think she was trying
Speaker 1: to escape the life that she had. I don't think
Speaker 1: she was happy with her life at that point, meaning
Speaker 1: not that she would take her life, but almost like
Speaker 1: someone who's forced to do something like maybe become a
Speaker 1: doctor and married, and just wasn't happy in everything that
Speaker 1: was going on in her world at the time. He
Speaker 1: and doctor He lived in an apartment building across the
Speaker 1: street from Ron and Snah. He said repeatedly that Snayhouse
Speaker 1: seemed unhappy. I've always worked in sales my whole life
Speaker 1: and am very much a people person, and I read
Speaker 1: that right away on her. I just remember her not
Speaker 1: being happy with her life, and I know she disappeared.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she I don't think she would
Speaker 1: take her life. She wasn't that type of unhappy. More,
Speaker 1: she just wanted to change her life. She wanted to
Speaker 1: change a big change, a major change. And do I
Speaker 1: think she was suicidal or anything like that because she
Speaker 1: was unhappy, Absolutely not. I think she loved life, she
Speaker 1: just wasn't happy with the type of work, just her
Speaker 1: whole situation at that point in her life, in that
Speaker 1: time frame. I kind of thought when she disappeared, I
Speaker 1: thought maybe she had done that on purpose, because it
Speaker 1: was a way out. The last time he and dry saw.
Speaker 1: Snay Ha was around May two thousand one when snay
Speaker 1: House contract that Cabrini ended. After Cabrini, snay Hawk got
Speaker 1: a job at St. Vincent's medical Center on Staten Island,
Speaker 1: where she worked for only ten weeks before nine eleven.
Speaker 1: According to retired NYPD detective Richard Stark, snay has struggled
Speaker 1: there too. By nine eleven, he said she was on
Speaker 1: modified duty. This is yet another point of contention between
Speaker 1: snay House family and the NYPD. Ron said that snay
Speaker 1: Ha was happy at St. Vincent's, everything was fine. As
Speaker 1: to her mental health, he testified that she was not depressed,
Speaker 1: but he also testified that sna was seeing a therapist,
Speaker 1: and on September two thousand one, when he filed a
Speaker 1: complaint with the NYPD, Ron immediately noted that Snayhau was
Speaker 1: taking to Russian medication and that she was a victim
Speaker 1: of sexual assault, indicating he was worried about her mental state. Later,
Speaker 1: he testified that right after nine eleven he looked for
Speaker 1: snay and psychiatric institutions because quote, maybe she saw something
Speaker 1: that just damaged her mind. On the other hand, Ken
Speaker 1: go ont Ron's a private investigator testified that he found
Speaker 1: quote no information that Miss Philip was depressed or upset.
Speaker 1: It's hard, maybe even impossible, to reconcile these statements. Say
Speaker 1: was happy, she was seeing a therapist, she was in
Speaker 1: a good place mentally, she was on depression meds. She
Speaker 1: was not suicidal, but her husband searched for her in
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospitals, worried that she saw something eleven that made
Speaker 1: her snap. By Ron's own account, Snay was dealing with depression,
Speaker 1: she was seeing a therapist, and she was taking medication.
Speaker 1: And Ron was concerned enough about snay has mental state
Speaker 1: that he looked for her in psychiatric hospitals. At the
Speaker 1: beginning of this show, I said, there are four possible
Speaker 1: logical explanations as to what may have happened to Snay
Speaker 1: Haaven murder, suicide that she ran off. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: only one can be written off right away. Suicide. It
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me or anyone I interviewed. Snay
Speaker 1: have very well may have been depressed, but I mean
Speaker 1: so are Brazilian other people. Let's say she did die suicide, Well,
Speaker 1: where is her body? She lived in Manhattan. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: thinking she just jumped off a bridge into a river,
Speaker 1: the Hudson or the East. But that makes no sense
Speaker 1: because again, her body was never found, and the bodies
Speaker 1: of people who die by jumping off of bridges in
Speaker 1: New York typically are found. I asked Detective Stark if
Speaker 1: he thinks anything other than nine eleven, including suicide, makes
Speaker 1: any sense today. Do you think there's a possibility that
Speaker 1: there's possibly an alternate explanation other than nine eleven? Do
Speaker 1: you think there's any possibility of suicide, foul play, or
Speaker 1: that she ran off or do you feel personally satisfied
Speaker 1: with eleven as the as the most likely answer? I
Speaker 1: feel personally satisfied at nine eleven because she would have
Speaker 1: turned up by now a DNA, she was found in
Speaker 1: the river, which which is you know, well she went
Speaker 1: in the river, she definitely would have been found. Think
Speaker 1: about what we know. Snay spent the afternoon of the
Speaker 1: day she disappeared repotting orchids, cleaning her apartment and talking
Speaker 1: to her mom via instant messenger. Then she went to
Speaker 1: a department store. After that, what she jumped off a
Speaker 1: bridge and was never found. I don't think so. So Again,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, out of the four possible explanations about
Speaker 1: what could have happened to snay Ha. Suicide is the
Speaker 1: easiest to rule out. September seven, two thousand one, the
Speaker 1: Friday before snay House, mom Onto visits her her apartment
Speaker 1: near the World Trade Center. Ron has to work, so
Speaker 1: snay Ha and Anso hang out all night. They have
Speaker 1: Chinese food, walk around Battery Park, and watch the movie
Speaker 1: The Portrait of a Lady I Should probably never marry.
Speaker 1: Is getting a great deal, but it's giving up other chances.
Speaker 1: Just what usual chances in danger. In the movie, Isabel Archer,
Speaker 1: played by the everluminescent Nicole Kitman, ends up in a
Speaker 1: bad marriage with a man in Florence, Italy. Coincidentally, Florence
Speaker 1: is where lived in the nineties when she took time
Speaker 1: off from med school to paint. It's also where Ron
Speaker 1: proposed to her, and it's where she dreamed of living.
Speaker 1: In the Portrait of a Lady, Isabel's cousin warns her,
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting Wikipedia here that she's quote giving up
Speaker 1: her dreams to be in a cage with a worthless husband.
Speaker 1: In the end, Isabel flees her husband The Portrait of
Speaker 1: a Lady Do You know where you're going, Isabel Archer,
Speaker 1: and I find it very pleasant not to know. After
Speaker 1: the movie, snay On Anzu go to sleep. The next morning,
Speaker 1: around seven or eight am, Ron gets home, Anto sees
Speaker 1: him walks through the door. That day, Ron, snay Ha,
Speaker 1: and Anto talk for a while, then take another walk
Speaker 1: around Battery Park. Then Onto goes home and Ron and
Speaker 1: snay Hawk go to a party where Ron plays guitar. Sunday,
Speaker 1: September nine, forty eight hours until the world changes, Ron
Speaker 1: and Snayhaw roller blade. They start cleaning their apartment and
Speaker 1: snay How uses an entire roll of film to photograph orchids.
Speaker 1: This is how snay Hou's final weekend played out the
Speaker 1: day's leading up to nine and nine eleven. As to
Speaker 1: her state of mind that weekend, two people offered different opinions.
Speaker 1: Snay House mom Onto said that Snayhow was in very
Speaker 1: good spirits, talking about kids and starting a family, but
Speaker 1: one of snay house friends said that she was brooding
Speaker 1: angry with the doctors at Cabrini. So, like so much else,
Speaker 1: contradictions and no clarity. But even if snay Haw was
Speaker 1: brooding and angry, suicide still does not make sense. There's
Speaker 1: no body. That's what this comes down to. So I
Speaker 1: think we can safely rule out suicide. What's harder to
Speaker 1: rule out is foul play. Next time on missing on
Speaker 1: nine eleven, are open that he possibly did something to
Speaker 1: him that was that was on the table too in
Speaker 1: the beginning homework. Did you see or speak with snay
Speaker 1: Haa in the days leading up to nine eleven? If so,
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Speaker 1: please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at one eight
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Speaker 1: eight to five five. If you can, please donate to
Speaker 1: the lifeline. Go to Suicide Prevention Lifeline dot org slash donate.
Speaker 1: Also in this episode, we discussed the conflict between Snak,
Speaker 1: who said she was sexually assaulted, and the NYPD, who
Speaker 1: said she recanted. Studies show that sometimes sexual assault victims
Speaker 1: we can't under pressure from law enforcement lacking additional information,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's my place to judge either snay
Speaker 1: HAA or the NYPD, which is why I told you
Speaker 1: only what I know what I found in official records.
Speaker 1: Ben Bollen is our executive producer. Paul Decan is our
Speaker 1: supervising producer, Chris Brown is our assistant producer, Seth Nicholas
Speaker 1: Johnson is our producer. Sam T. Garden is our research assistant,
Speaker 1: and I'm your host and executive producer John Walsack. Cover
Speaker 1: art by Pam Peacock. Special thanks to Tamika Campbell at
Speaker 1: iHeart and to Christoph Zappery in New Orleans. So thank
Speaker 1: you to Dr E, her husband, Detective Richard Stark, and
Speaker 1: ASoP Rock. Original theme music by ASoP Rock. Check out
Speaker 1: Asop's website at ASoP rock dot com. Dr E's ex
Speaker 1: husband voiced by Chandler Mays. You can find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter at at John wallzac j O n W A
Speaker 1: L c z A K. If you like this show,
Speaker 1: check out our first season, Missing in Alaska, about the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two disappearance of two congressmen. Missing on nine eleven,
Speaker 1: is a co production of I Heart Radio and Greenfork Media.