1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: It's a cliche truism that any time a sympathetic victim 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: disappears or is killed, there beatified by the press and 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: the public. So and so was innocent and kind. They 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: loved animals, They smiled all the time, the angelic aura descends. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: They are good and our villains quiet, angry, a loner, 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: a weirdo. They wore black, and there's always that one 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: neighbor who just knew something was off. What we choose 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to remember about someone, especially someone we don't personally know, 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: often depends more on the circumstances of their death or 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: disappearance than on who they actually were. That bipolar framework, 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: good versus evil flattens the missing and the dead into 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: two dimensional caricatures, robbing them of context. With this case, 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: you might ask, well, why dig into snakehouse life? I 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: get it, But who she was? She was a hero, 15 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: a victim, a dichotomy, aren't we all in the absence 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: of evidence. What's most important to me is that Sna 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: is missing, not was is. If there's a non nine 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: eleven explanation for her disappearance, which is possible, it's a 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: disservice to write her off as a saint Boom case closed. 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: I think it's important to look at sna to really 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: look at her, not for the sake of sensationalism, not 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: to judge her, to understand her, to understand why alternative 23 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: explanations makes sense, or to rule them out. From my 24 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, this is missing on nine eleven, The story 25 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: of one woman who vanished on the eve of history 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: and my quest to find her. I'm your host, John 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: wall Sack. The speculation about snay House sexuality about her 28 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: love life started when her younger brother John told n 29 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: y p D Detective Richard Stark that shortly before nine 30 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: eleven he walked in on snay Hat having sex with 31 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: his girlfriend. John later denied telling that to Stark. In fact, 32 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: he denied even speaking to Stark. Ever, Stark laughed when 33 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I told him this, Why would he make it up? 34 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: When that accusation became public, tabloids ran wild with headlines 35 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: like nine eleven trist twist is snay How bisexual? Was 36 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: she a lesbian? Was she having affairs? People close to 37 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: Snayhawk confirmed to me that she did have relationships with 38 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: both men and women, and she did have affairs. At first, 39 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: I thought Ron and sna Ha had some kind of 40 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: open marriage, but no, Ron wasn't cool with it. As 41 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: for snay haus sexuality, who cares. I don't know how 42 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: she identified, so I'm not going to label her end 43 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: of story. But the state of her marriage, well, yeah, 44 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: that matters, because nobody knows where sne Ha stayed the 45 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: night of September t with whom, or why she didn't 46 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: tell anyone where she was going to piece together her 47 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: final hours if she died, we need to answer those questions. 48 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Earlier this year, I interviewed one of sna has former supervisors, 49 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: a doctor who agreed to speak with me on the 50 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: condition that I refer to her only as Dr E. 51 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: Dr E met snay in two thousand at Cabrini Medical 52 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: Center in Manhattan. Snay was extremely brilliant, she said, charming 53 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: and manipulative, someone who seemed to have problems with both 54 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: mental illness and substance abuse. Dr E speculated that snay 55 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Ha was bipolar, repeatedly describing her as quote hyper sexual. 56 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: She said that snay Haaw tried to sleep with both 57 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: her and her ex husband. Snay Haw was artistic and 58 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: an excellent writer. Dr E liked. She described her as 59 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: quote like a stoner According to Dr E, snay Hall 60 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: was not the doctor type. She didn't want to be 61 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: a doctor. Dr E said that at least once snay 62 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: Ha showed up to work intoxicated. She described her as 63 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: a binge, a holic. She also said, and this is 64 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: something I heard from many other people, that snay Hawk 65 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: could be quote off, not appropriate and vulgar. That she 66 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: casually and frequently used words like pussy and inappropriate situations 67 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to dry. It seemed that snay how I was unhappy, 68 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: that she was trying to escape something. She seemed troubled 69 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: during her time with me. She just seemed troubled, unhappy 70 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: at times, you know, a little bit of a loner. 71 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: I would say, what was her personality like? Like if 72 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: you could she word to walk into the room and 73 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: start speaking with you, what was she like as outspoken, 74 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: sometimes using curse words, you know, a little outspoken. Sometimes 75 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: you get the feeling that it was worth shock value. 76 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: So can you describe her to me? Physically beautiful Indian, petite, 77 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: dark shiny hair, glossy, light, dark skinned and so and 78 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: you say intelligent? Um, extreme intelligence, not that it was 79 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: always used in the course of her work day. Um, 80 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: because wasn't always into her work. Is the feeling that 81 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: I got. What do you mean by that? She would 82 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: show up, Um, not prepared to work is what I 83 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: would say, not prepared to work and didn't do her 84 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: homework in order to do her work. Did you get 85 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the feeling that she wanted to be a doctor? Absolutely not. 86 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: She did not, and actually she had voiced it to 87 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: me on many occasions. Kind of felt pushed into it. Um, 88 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: maybe there's some other social pressures, family pressures. I'm not sure, 89 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: but she kind of felt pushed into it and didn't 90 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: feel it was a good fit for her. She's more 91 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: on the artistic side, you see, artistic side. Was she 92 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: into painting? Writing? What was she into writing? Beautifully? Writing? 93 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Also drawing, sketching things like that? Did she ever make 94 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: you any art? She didn't make me art, but she 95 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: was very generous and the fact that I'm not a 96 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: good writer, so she volunteered and invited me to her 97 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: apartment to help me with one of a writing assignment 98 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: it that I needed for a type of application. So 99 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: did she edit for you or well? I basically told 100 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: her what I wanted to say, and the way that 101 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: she had of writing it was a very poetic, you know, 102 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: almost like pros. Did she tell you at any point 103 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: that she was thinking about quitting medicine? The feeling I got, 104 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: and then in addition to the things she'd say about 105 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, gave me the idea 106 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: that she wishes there were way out but kind of 107 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: feeling trapped, and she was like, I don't want to 108 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: be here. So it's almost like I understood it as 109 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: she's feeling trapped for whatever reason. Um, what do you 110 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: think happened to her? It's my opinion. It's always been 111 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: my opinion since I heard about nine eleven and I 112 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: had seen some documentary on television and I thought, Oh, 113 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: she finally got what she wanted. She got away. I 114 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: feel like she was unhappy in her marriage. Just that 115 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: my opinion based on her actions. And I felt like 116 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: she's the type of person that was so so incredibly 117 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: smart that if she wanted something to happen, she could 118 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: make it happen. So, UM, I don't feel like she 119 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: was a victim of nine eleven, but that's just my opinion. 120 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: I feel like she may be alive somewhere. Do you 121 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: think she had the intelligence to just pull something like that? 122 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Off on the spot and then some how many people 123 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: have you met in your life that you would say 124 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: had that kind of ability? If you're you're smart, you're 125 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: a doctor, I would say maybe three, and she was 126 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: one of the three, right, Like a genius mind, you know, 127 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: I guess to to kind of dig a little bit 128 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: into that when you say a genius mind, are really intelligent? Again, 129 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: you know, let's say all doctors are intelligent, but obviously 130 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: around a lot of intelligent, smart people. Very different when 131 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: I say intelligence, and I also say like socially, she 132 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: would read the room. She could read people. Um. I 133 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: feel like when a person can read people, you're able 134 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: to manipulate them if you want to. So, yes, the 135 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: ability to get things done that she wanted done very persuasive. 136 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: Did you know her as a friend or was it 137 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: purely professional? Both? Like I wouldn't say friend friend but acquaintance. 138 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: I mean, she's a very kind person. She was nice 139 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: to me, generous, um. But we didn't spend much time 140 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: together outside the office, so to speak. But the time 141 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: we did spend it was nice. Did she have a 142 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: lot of friends, like I had said earlier, a bit 143 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: of a loner? I know she was married, So sometimes 144 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: doctors in residency don't hang out with other residents as 145 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: much if they're married. So you didn't know like any 146 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: anyone that you guys mutually knew was like a close 147 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: friend of hers or I really, if you asked me 148 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: to name her best friend, I wouldn't have a clue. 149 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: So what was she like at work as a resident? 150 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: What were her duties? And well, how good was she 151 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: at her job? I feel like she was efficient and 152 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: she got her job done, but it was in a 153 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: troubled way in my opinion, because sometimes, like I said, 154 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: she would show up to work and not prepared, but 155 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: she was always able to do what she wanted to 156 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: do in a quick amount of time. So other doctors 157 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: may all take all day to get it done and 158 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: she'd be in and out. She is efficient when she 159 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be. When you say not prepared, what did 160 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: you personally witness I witnessed alcohol in her breath and 161 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: one occasion and had to send her home only one time. 162 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: That occasion was regarding alcohol. Other occasions were just really 163 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: ill prepared. Um, did you get the feeling or did 164 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: you have knowledge that she dealt with mental illness and 165 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: or sustained substance of use. I believe that there could 166 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: have been some besides the alcohol. I don't have any 167 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: proof of that. Did you get the feeling that she 168 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: was happy at Gabrini No? No, Like I said earlier, 169 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: definitely not. And it became more obvious as the year 170 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: went on. You know, it's early in the beginning. Everybody's 171 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: kind of excited. It became very obvious that if she 172 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: would either show up light or she would show up 173 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: with alcohol in her breath at one time, but that 174 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: was on the time eye witnessed. I don't know. I 175 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: know there were of other issues, like in an academic 176 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: nature and also um inappropriate behavior the chief residents were 177 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: called I'm aware of, but I don't have the details. 178 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: Just inappropriate behavior towards attending staff, like male attending staff. 179 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: I know that we were called, UH to also get involved, 180 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: and when attending physician UH felt very uncomfortable on at 181 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: her advances and we had to ask her to leave 182 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: the office. Was that something that you saw repeatedly? So 183 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: these are isolated incidents, but more than one, so I 184 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: don't know, not multiply, you know, more than one, Huh. 185 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: So one of the allegations after she disappeared was that 186 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: she was having affairs, that she was sleeping with men, 187 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: sleeping with women. Um, did she ever confide in you 188 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: or did you ever see anything to substantiate any of that? Well, 189 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: I felt on one occasion that she was very sexual 190 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: towards me in an inappropriate way for our relationship. And 191 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: in addition, my husband at the time also felt like 192 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: she was being very sexual towards him on one occasion 193 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: and including one of his friends. So there were a 194 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: couple occasions where she was just completely inappropriate. Can you 195 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: elaborate just what we wish witnessed? You know what we 196 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: witnessed our time with her, Like I said, just being 197 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: sexual or making sexual advances towards married men, and another 198 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: towards you towards your ex husband. What specifically, though, are 199 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: you comfortable saying or he did not go into detail 200 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: about he was very upset about it and towards you. Yeah, 201 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: I'd rather not to say. So. You your gut feeling 202 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: is that she is alive, absolutely, Like I don't. I 203 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: just uh, maybe there's a tiny part left that I 204 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,479 Speaker 1: would think maybe she's not. It would be really unfortunate. 205 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: She was a talent um, but I just knowing her personality, 206 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: I came to that conclusion. If she is somehow magically 207 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: out there listening to this, what would you tell her? 208 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: I hope she's happy. That's what I would tell her. 209 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 1: I hope she's happy. It really blew me away that 210 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: Dr E, a logical, intelligent person who knew snay who 211 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: supervised her, thinks she's alive. She's not alone. Every single 212 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: person I interviewed, and I mean every person who knew 213 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: snay Ha personally accept her family told me they don't 214 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: think nine eleven is the answer. They blame either foul 215 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: play or they think she ran away and is alive. 216 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: In June of two thousand one, there was an incident 217 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: where the police were called to a bar where snay 218 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: Ha and um, one of your colleagues, we're out with 219 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: a group from Cabrini. Were you there? It was not No. 220 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: I just I'm aware of the incident though, and so 221 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: the allegation that snay How made was that your colleague 222 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: assaulted her, and then she recanted that allegation. Obviously I 223 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: wasn't there, so I feel uncomfortable passing any kind of 224 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: judgment whether or not it was true, but she recanted 225 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: to the police and then she was charged um with 226 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: making a false accusation. Do you have any doubt that 227 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: the accusation was false? You believe at all? Do you 228 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: believe the allegation that she made that she was assaulted 229 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: by your colleague? No, I don't. I don't. I just 230 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: don't believe it because the person that she was accusing 231 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: at the time was a close personal friend as well 232 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: as colleague. So that being said, knowing the personality types, 233 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: what would be more apt to happen? Would I say 234 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: that it was probably a false statement. On June one, 235 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: two thousand only eight two days before eleven, snay went 236 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: out with co workers to a bar near Cabrini. At 237 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: the bar, she said one of her male supervisors followed 238 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: her into a bathroom, pushed himself onto her, and tried 239 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: to kiss her. She said that she shoved the doctor away. Coincidentally, 240 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: at the time, snay Haw, the doctor ron, and the 241 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: doctor's wife all lived in the same apartment building, a 242 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: building for medical residents. They actually lived on the same floor, 243 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: according to the n y p D. The night of 244 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: the alleged assault, snayhow went back to the doctor's apartment, 245 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: pushed open his door, sat on his couch, and refused 246 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: to leave. The Next day, after filing an official complaint, 247 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: she allegedly called the doctor's wife three times, despite repeated 248 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: request that she stopped calling. According to the n y 249 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: p D, a few days after that, snay Haaw called 250 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: the doctor five times at work. She said, and this 251 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: is written in all caps and the report I obtained 252 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: quote if you don't want to speak to me, I'm 253 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: going to funk you up when I see you in 254 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: the street. Finally, according to NYPD records, on June two one, 255 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: five days after the alleged assault, snay recanted. She told 256 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: a detective that quote, she was not sexually abused. This 257 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: is why I'm not naming the doctors say accused of assault. 258 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: I did reach out to him, but he did not 259 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: respond to interview requests anyway. After snayha recanted, she was 260 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: charged with one count of second degree criminal trustpass, two 261 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: counts of second degree aggravated harassment, one count of third 262 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: degree assault, one count of third degree falsely reporting an incident, 263 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: and three counts of second degree harassment. D NYPD arrested 264 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: snay Haa. She spent one night in jail. This is 265 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: when Ron and snay Ha hired attorney Mark Friedberg. This 266 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: is why Sna was in criminal court on the morning 267 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: of September ten, two thousand one, hours before she disappeared. 268 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: DIDNA have any enemies? I don't know of any. I 269 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't know, but nobody from any kind of advances or 270 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: anything that happened at the with anybody at Cabrini. Who 271 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: would have I mean, for example, like what your colleague 272 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: who she accused, could be considered an enemy, right, No, 273 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. He's the type of person that you know 274 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: is above a law. I mean, not above law, is 275 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: by the law. And um. What I would say is 276 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: he's kind of straight and narrow. That's what I mean, 277 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: like by the law, not a law. Um. And so 278 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: I feel like once it's something is resolved that he 279 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: would move on because he was more career oriented than 280 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: did he tell you that? Did he describe what happened? 281 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: Did he was? He really upset at the whole thing. 282 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I did not get the details. I just remember him 283 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: confiding to me that he had these allegations against him 284 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: snake House housemend Ron late her said she was miserable 285 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: at Cabrini In May two thousand one, Cabrini let her 286 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: contract expire. Technically she wasn't fired, but for all intents 287 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: and purposes, she was. One of the things that uh 288 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: Snaeha and Ron said after something how left Cabrini was 289 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: that there was an issue of racism and sexism at Cabrini, 290 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: that it was very much a male dominated place, and 291 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: that they felt, in part that her contract was not 292 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: renewed um out of a sense of racism towards her 293 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: and possibly a sense of sexism. Did you did you 294 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: see that? Do you do you think there's any legitimacy 295 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: to that claim? I can't think of anything further from 296 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: the truth. I actually recall, first of all, I think 297 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: there were two female chief residents in one male, so 298 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: that's not male damnonate dominated. And then also the residency 299 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: staff included vast ray you know, a different cultures and 300 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: different races. Um. I remember just one instance after nine eleven, 301 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: and there was a guy from Afghanistan and the staff 302 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: just enveloped him and hugged him and baked cookies for him, 303 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: and you know, just absolutely the opposite. You know, there 304 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: were so many different races a lot of Hispanics though 305 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: people from Puerto Rico as well. Um, I cannot remember. 306 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: And also I was kind of in awe of that 307 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: at this place was very cohesive. People just kind of 308 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: rallied around each other. And you didn't see the clicks 309 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: that I had seen in other either groups or offices 310 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: or hospitals, and you might see, like, you know, this 311 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: group stays together, this nationality stays together. It was completely 312 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: the opposite. So you are working there as a woman 313 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: in a supervisory capacity. You didn't have any issues none. 314 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: Did you ever meet her husband? Raw just a couple 315 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: of times, like very briefly, Like I couldn't really comment 316 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: one on him except for his appearance kind of a 317 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: little bit shy. So she seemed very outgoing and cool, 318 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: and he was kind of what quiet, quiet, shy, maybe 319 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: a little nerdy to me? Smart? Smart? Did stay, however, 320 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: confide anything else in you? Did she talk about her family? 321 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: Did she do? I know it's been twenty years and 322 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: it's it's been a while now, but do you have 323 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: any clear memories. I just remember her confiding in me 324 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: about not being happy in her current position, feeling pressured, 325 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: whether there was pressure or not from her family, but 326 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: feeling pressured to become a doctor and then realizing she 327 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: didn't really want to become one is what she confided 328 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: in me. Also about in her marriage, she just she 329 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: wasn't that happy. I didn't get many details, just not 330 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: feeling like that was maybe the one. Did she ever 331 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: tell you that she was thinking about leaving or running off? No, 332 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: so she never did give me any future plans. But 333 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: I did see an increase in UM, irregular behavior, inappropriate behavior, 334 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: So it was like from zero and then just kept 335 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: increasing over the last few months before she left. Uh 336 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: like a person you might call a person who's um 337 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic or maybe not have everything together, 338 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: who was getting worse. In the middle of our interview, 339 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: Dry pulled out her cell phone, dialed her ex husband 340 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: and put him on speaker. I asked him about snay Haa. 341 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: His description was so similar to Dr Ease that I 342 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: suspected they spoke before I got there, But he said 343 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: they didn't. He spoke freely, but didn't want his voice 344 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: to appear on the show, so we're using an actor. 345 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: She was a pretty girl. I think she was trying 346 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: to escape the life that she had. I don't think 347 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: she was happy with her life at that point, meaning 348 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: not that she would take her life, but almost like 349 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: someone who's forced to do something like maybe become a 350 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: doctor and married, and just wasn't happy in everything that 351 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: was going on in her world at the time. He 352 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: and doctor He lived in an apartment building across the 353 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: street from Ron and Snah. He said repeatedly that Snayhouse 354 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: seemed unhappy. I've always worked in sales my whole life 355 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: and am very much a people person, and I read 356 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: that right away on her. I just remember her not 357 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: being happy with her life, and I know she disappeared. 358 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she I don't think she would 359 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: take her life. She wasn't that type of unhappy. More, 360 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: she just wanted to change her life. She wanted to 361 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: change a big change, a major change. And do I 362 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: think she was suicidal or anything like that because she 363 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: was unhappy, Absolutely not. I think she loved life, she 364 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: just wasn't happy with the type of work, just her 365 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: whole situation at that point in her life, in that 366 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: time frame. I kind of thought when she disappeared, I 367 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: thought maybe she had done that on purpose, because it 368 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: was a way out. The last time he and dry saw. 369 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: Snay Ha was around May two thousand one when snay 370 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: House contract that Cabrini ended. After Cabrini, snay Hawk got 371 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: a job at St. Vincent's medical Center on Staten Island, 372 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: where she worked for only ten weeks before nine eleven. 373 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: According to retired NYPD detective Richard Stark, snay has struggled 374 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: there too. By nine eleven, he said she was on 375 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: modified duty. This is yet another point of contention between 376 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: snay House family and the NYPD. Ron said that snay 377 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Ha was happy at St. Vincent's, everything was fine. As 378 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: to her mental health, he testified that she was not depressed, 379 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: but he also testified that sna was seeing a therapist, 380 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: and on September two thousand one, when he filed a 381 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: complaint with the NYPD, Ron immediately noted that Snayhau was 382 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: taking to Russian medication and that she was a victim 383 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: of sexual assault, indicating he was worried about her mental state. Later, 384 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: he testified that right after nine eleven he looked for 385 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: snay and psychiatric institutions because quote, maybe she saw something 386 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: that just damaged her mind. On the other hand, Ken 387 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: go ont Ron's a private investigator testified that he found 388 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: quote no information that Miss Philip was depressed or upset. 389 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: It's hard, maybe even impossible, to reconcile these statements. Say 390 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: was happy, she was seeing a therapist, she was in 391 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: a good place mentally, she was on depression meds. She 392 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: was not suicidal, but her husband searched for her in 393 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: psychiatric hospitals, worried that she saw something eleven that made 394 00:25:49,880 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: her snap. By Ron's own account, Snay was dealing with depression, 395 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: she was seeing a therapist, and she was taking medication. 396 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: And Ron was concerned enough about snay has mental state 397 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: that he looked for her in psychiatric hospitals. At the 398 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: beginning of this show, I said, there are four possible 399 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: logical explanations as to what may have happened to Snay 400 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: Haaven murder, suicide that she ran off. In my opinion, 401 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: only one can be written off right away. Suicide. It 402 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: makes no sense to me or anyone I interviewed. Snay 403 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: have very well may have been depressed, but I mean 404 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: so are Brazilian other people. Let's say she did die suicide, Well, 405 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: where is her body? She lived in Manhattan. Maybe you're 406 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: thinking she just jumped off a bridge into a river, 407 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: the Hudson or the East. But that makes no sense 408 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: because again, her body was never found, and the bodies 409 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: of people who die by jumping off of bridges in 410 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: New York typically are found. I asked Detective Stark if 411 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: he thinks anything other than nine eleven, including suicide, makes 412 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: any sense today. Do you think there's a possibility that 413 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: there's possibly an alternate explanation other than nine eleven? Do 414 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: you think there's any possibility of suicide, foul play, or 415 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: that she ran off or do you feel personally satisfied 416 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: with eleven as the as the most likely answer? I 417 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: feel personally satisfied at nine eleven because she would have 418 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: turned up by now a DNA, she was found in 419 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: the river, which which is you know, well she went 420 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: in the river, she definitely would have been found. Think 421 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: about what we know. Snay spent the afternoon of the 422 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: day she disappeared repotting orchids, cleaning her apartment and talking 423 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: to her mom via instant messenger. Then she went to 424 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: a department store. After that, what she jumped off a 425 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: bridge and was never found. I don't think so. So Again, 426 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: in my opinion, out of the four possible explanations about 427 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: what could have happened to snay Ha. Suicide is the 428 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: easiest to rule out. September seven, two thousand one, the 429 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: Friday before snay House, mom Onto visits her her apartment 430 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: near the World Trade Center. Ron has to work, so 431 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: snay Ha and Anso hang out all night. They have 432 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: Chinese food, walk around Battery Park, and watch the movie 433 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: The Portrait of a Lady I Should probably never marry. 434 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Is getting a great deal, but it's giving up other chances. 435 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Just what usual chances in danger. In the movie, Isabel Archer, 436 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: played by the everluminescent Nicole Kitman, ends up in a 437 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: bad marriage with a man in Florence, Italy. Coincidentally, Florence 438 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: is where lived in the nineties when she took time 439 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: off from med school to paint. It's also where Ron 440 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: proposed to her, and it's where she dreamed of living. 441 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: In the Portrait of a Lady, Isabel's cousin warns her, 442 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: and I'm quoting Wikipedia here that she's quote giving up 443 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: her dreams to be in a cage with a worthless husband. 444 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: In the end, Isabel flees her husband The Portrait of 445 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: a Lady Do You know where you're going, Isabel Archer, 446 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: and I find it very pleasant not to know. After 447 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: the movie, snay On Anzu go to sleep. The next morning, 448 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: around seven or eight am, Ron gets home, Anto sees 449 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: him walks through the door. That day, Ron, snay Ha, 450 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: and Anto talk for a while, then take another walk 451 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: around Battery Park. Then Onto goes home and Ron and 452 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: snay Hawk go to a party where Ron plays guitar. Sunday, 453 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: September nine, forty eight hours until the world changes, Ron 454 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: and Snayhaw roller blade. They start cleaning their apartment and 455 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: snay How uses an entire roll of film to photograph orchids. 456 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: This is how snay Hou's final weekend played out the 457 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: day's leading up to nine and nine eleven. As to 458 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: her state of mind that weekend, two people offered different opinions. 459 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: Snay House mom Onto said that Snayhow was in very 460 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: good spirits, talking about kids and starting a family, but 461 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: one of snay house friends said that she was brooding 462 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: angry with the doctors at Cabrini. So, like so much else, 463 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: contradictions and no clarity. But even if snay Haw was 464 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: brooding and angry, suicide still does not make sense. There's 465 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: no body. That's what this comes down to. So I 466 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: think we can safely rule out suicide. What's harder to 467 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: rule out is foul play. Next time on missing on 468 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: nine eleven, are open that he possibly did something to 469 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: him that was that was on the table too in 470 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: the beginning homework. Did you see or speak with snay 471 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: Haa in the days leading up to nine eleven? If so, 472 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: you can reach us by phone at one eight three 473 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: three new tips that's one eight three three six three 474 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: nine eight four seven seven again one eight three three 475 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: six three nine eight four seven seven, or you can 476 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: reach us via email at tips at I heeart media 477 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: dot com. That's tips T I P s at I 478 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: heeart media dot com. If you're having thoughts about suicide, 479 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at one eight 480 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: hundred two seven three talk. That's one two seven three 481 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: eight to five five. If you can, please donate to 482 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: the lifeline. Go to Suicide Prevention Lifeline dot org slash donate. 483 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: Also in this episode, we discussed the conflict between Snak, 484 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: who said she was sexually assaulted, and the NYPD, who 485 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: said she recanted. Studies show that sometimes sexual assault victims 486 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: we can't under pressure from law enforcement lacking additional information, 487 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't think it's my place to judge either snay 488 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: HAA or the NYPD, which is why I told you 489 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: only what I know what I found in official records. 490 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: Ben Bollen is our executive producer. Paul Decan is our 491 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: supervising producer, Chris Brown is our assistant producer, Seth Nicholas 492 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: Johnson is our producer. Sam T. Garden is our research assistant, 493 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: and I'm your host and executive producer John Walsack. Cover 494 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: art by Pam Peacock. 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