1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's time for Strange News, Fellow 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists, our weekly segment that takes us around the 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: world and often just off the edge of the mainstream map. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: Today we're going to learn a little bit more about 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: the odd effect Prince Philip's death has had in the Pacific. Uh. 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: We're going to see the clear view AI's back in 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: the news. No spoilers, uh. And we'll also will also 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: head toward a rod where the world seems to be 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: enging closer and closer. Two. Well, I don't want to 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: say world war, but definitely the Cold Wars are warming up. 19 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, what would you guys? 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Would you guys agree with that it's not getting any colder. No, yes, no, 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: well not politically at least. No, that it is getting 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: a little bit warmer. Uh in terms of temperature, which 23 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I am absolutely fine with. Uh. Well, we'll put uh 24 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: the well. We also know that uh, temperatures in the 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Middle East may well be unlivable within our lifetimes, literally 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: and figuratively, literally and figuratively. If if you guys are 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: on board for it, what say we let's say we 28 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: pursue it in that order, We'll go to the Pacific 29 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: for sound good? All right? So this story happens in 30 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: the wake of the death of Prince Philip. Prince Philip, 31 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: as you probably have heard, was a key player in 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: the UK monarchy. Uh. He recently passed away April nine one, 33 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: at the ripe old age of nine nine years old. Uh. 34 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: As you imagine royalty as pretty good health care. And 35 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: in the wake of this man's death, a lot of 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: people were, of course heartbroken in the UK, and a 37 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: lot of people were pointing out various problematic things that 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: Prince Philip had done h in his virtual century of 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: life here on earth. But one thing that bears a 40 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: little bit more scrutiny is the religion built around him. 41 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: We're not talking about the Church of England, folks. We're 42 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: talking about something that is commonly called a cargo cult. 43 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: And Matt, well, I know you guys have heard of 44 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: these before, right, Yeah, I know we certainly talked about 45 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: it in the past, either on this show or another one. 46 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: But I always get them always kind of forget what 47 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: it is. So I'm gonna be on board for a 48 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: primer real quick. Well, just i'll talk for one second 49 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna I don't know much about this one. 50 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: I know that cargo cults a lot of times have 51 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: to do with newer technology or civilizations with newer technology 52 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: that will advance on their civilization, and a lot of 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: times leave behind goods or leave behind pieces of machinery 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: or debris or whatever it is that they lead behind 55 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: from their new technology. And then that technology, since it's 56 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: so different from the understanding of just the civilization that 57 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: they've encroached upon, um deifies it in some way. And 58 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: I think, tell me Craiming if I'm wrong here, Ben, 59 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: but I think a lot of it has to do 60 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: with maybe legends or lore or myths that exist previously 61 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: within a culture that then that encroaching group symbolizes in 62 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: some way maybe yeah, yeah, that's that's that's pretty close. 63 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: So there is a cultural context, if not a specific 64 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: mythical figure, right, prefiguring the arrival of these outsiders. Uh. 65 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: These movements begin in isolated areas of the Pacific specifically, 66 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: and the cultural context into which these outsiders arrived is 67 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: the idea of what's called the big Man political system. 68 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: And the big Man political system individuals gain social prestige 69 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: through the act of giving gifts. So you know, you've 70 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: had a wonderful fishing expedition or something, you want to 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: up your rep in your community. It was time for 72 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: a seafood party, you know what I mean? Who can 73 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: say no to that? This became exacerbated and entered a 74 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: new era as we saw it started in like the 75 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: late nineteenth century early twentieth century, really took off in 76 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: World War Two because as Allied powers were island hopping 77 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: to secure control over the Pacific theater, it would land 78 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: in places that had rarely seen outsiders, in some cases 79 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: had never seen outsiders, and these outsiders would come along 80 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: with air dropped supplies, military equipment, stuff that looked like 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: it was literally from the future, you know, imagine we're 82 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: all living on an island. We are probably subsistence farmers 83 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: or fisher folk, and then all of a sudden we're 84 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: inundated with manufactured clothing, canned goods, medicine that we had 85 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: never dreamt of before. And we're associating this in our 86 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: cultural context, and we're saying, Okay, who is the person 87 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: giving this to us? Who is the quote unquote big man? 88 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: And how do we propitiate reward adore this, uh, this person, 89 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: this figure. This brings us to an island called Tana 90 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: in Vanuatu. You one of the most popular cargo cults 91 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: is from Tanna. It's called the John from Colts f 92 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: or John Frew. Uh. Sometimes he's called Tom Navy. The 93 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: story is that an unspecified group of Americans land on 94 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: the island with cargo in World War Two and then became, 95 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: in the minds of some residents of the island a 96 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: spiritual entity, something kind of close, uncomfortably at times close 97 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: to being a deity. Often when you hear these things reported, uh, 98 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: they there's a bit of mothering about it. And I'm 99 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: sad to say there's a little bit of condescension in 100 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the press reporting sometimes where they where you'll see, uh, 101 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: the narrator of a documentary, or you'll see a reporter 102 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: who knows better saying stuff like, oh look at look 103 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: at this. World War two ended, but the cargo colts 104 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: still here. It's so odd. They're building life size replicas 105 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: of airplanes out of straw. They're building fake radio towers 106 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: things like that, and it's it's I do think it's. Uh. 107 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: They're looking down their nose a bit in an unfair way, 108 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: because obviously this becomes a religious practice. These are religious symbols. 109 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: At this point. The locals know full well that this 110 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: airplane won't actually fly. They're just as intelligent as anybody else. 111 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: But Prince Philip is involved. There are a couple of 112 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: villages on the island of Tanna that are part of 113 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: something called the Prince Philip movement. They believe that this 114 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: Duke of Edinburgh is a divine being and they associate 115 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: him with a part of their mythology. So, like I 116 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: said earlier, there wasn't a specific mythical figure for all 117 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: of these cults, but there was a uh that context 118 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: of big man politics. Prince Philip is different because they 119 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: did tie him to a specific legend you're right, Matt, 120 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to admit it until he got 121 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: to this part of this story. I wasn't that well 122 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: because I remember the I wasn't even thinking about Prince 123 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Philip because I was thinking about the What is it 124 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Tom Nate or not Tom Navy John. It's like a symbol, 125 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: a symbolic person that represents the group maybe or something 126 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: like that. But I I sorry, I couldn't remember. Thank 127 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: you for I don't calling me on it is this 128 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: person like a deity or a or more of a 129 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Manson esque figure, like a cult leader. Yeah, great question. 130 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Here's how the legend goes, According to the ancient folklore 131 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: of the Yao Nanan people, which I apologize from his pronouncing, 132 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: there was the once upon a time was all good 133 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: stories begin. There was the son of a mountain spirit, 134 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: and the son of a mountain spirit traveled over the 135 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: seas to a distant land. And when he arrived at 136 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: this distant land, he married a powerful woman, and in 137 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: time he would return to the native people on this 138 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: island of Tana. He was sometimes said to be the 139 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: brother of John. From when the from movement began and 140 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: the people who are some of the people who believe 141 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: this tale believe that Prince Philip is literally that son 142 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: of a mountain spirit because he is from far away, 143 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: that he married Queen Elizabeth the Second. It's not clear 144 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: exactly when this came about. Experts guests as early as 145 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, so after World War two. We know 146 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: that when the royal couple visited Vadawatu in four a 147 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: few people were actually able to see Prince Philip from 148 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: a distance. And there are photographs of this meeting which 149 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: some folks may find offensive at this time. And Prince Philip, 150 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: by the way, should be said, um, without editorializing, he 151 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: leaned into this. He sent them signed official photographs. Uh 152 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: yeah he Uh. They sent him a club. He took 153 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: a picture of him posing with this traditional club and 154 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: sent that picture to them. They traded. He just gave 155 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: him photos of himself to look at. Would you believe 156 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: my my inkling was right? Um, we did this on 157 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History several years ago. The title of the episode 158 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: if you want to get a little bit more of 159 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: a primer that you know, thirty minute primer rather than 160 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: five or whatever it's called. The Duke of Edinburgh is 161 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: literally a god in VNANTU. Yes, yeah, yeah, so you 162 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: have to wonder. I mean, I don't want to read 163 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: too many tea leaves of psychology here, but you have 164 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: to wonder what it says about a person when they 165 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: found out the people who really could use some secular 166 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: assistance were worshiping you as a god. And then you said, dope, 167 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: here's a picture, let me see it. Let me send 168 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: that again. And we have to be sensitive here because 169 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: this is the big story. This is something I was 170 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: wondering about. It is actually the main thing I was 171 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: wondering about when Prince Philip's death was announced. What happened 172 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: to the Prince Philip movement? Well, it's still very much around. 173 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: And although it can be tempting to look askance at 174 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: this movement because it seems so very foreign too many 175 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: people in the West, we have to remember this is 176 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: a real spiritual value system for people and the villages 177 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: that followed Prince Philip. In this way, we're stricken with 178 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: grief and we're trying to figure out how to commemorate 179 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: his death. So as we record today, there are three 180 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: rough possibilities that we found so far, and these may change. 181 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: One possibility was some people said, look, this just solidifies it. 182 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: He is definitely a god and he will return like 183 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: he did the other time back in the fifties. And 184 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: then there's another group that is saying, we are going 185 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: to now deify Prince Charles, so he will be kind 186 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: of the new the spiritual and literal descendant of Prince Philip, 187 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: now also worshiped by us. Uh. There's a you can 188 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: read some excellent reporting in the Telegraph about how how 189 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: this came to be, how the rituals are enacted, but 190 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: it gives it still. I'm trying so hard not to 191 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: read into these guys character judgmentally. The princes. I mean, 192 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: like Prince Charles visited as recently as eighteen and he 193 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: was appointed as an honorary chief. He dressed in a 194 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: grass skirt, and you know, he took a bunch of photos. 195 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: I I imagine, I mean they have if you're royalty, 196 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,119 Speaker 1: you have so many photo ops, right, So I imagine 197 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: this is maybe for them it qualifies as spreading goodwill 198 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: in a positive image. I don't know what do you 199 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: guys think, where where where do you land on the 200 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: ethics of that? Well, um, well, weird, oh god, god, complexy? 201 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Maybe you know what I mean, Like, there's if if 202 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be completely objective, there's a I can 203 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: imagine a fascination with it. It would feel very strange, though. 204 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: I maybe it's because I, again, I don't know much 205 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: about the Royal family. They seem to be somewhat deified 206 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: already in Western culture, right, so I wonder if it's 207 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: that different for them. Um. You know, portraits of the 208 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Royal family existing, I'm sure many households um Um. I 209 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: imagine it, but I cannot confirm that. Uh I. I 210 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: wonder what it would be like personally, for let's say, 211 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: Prince Charles when he visited to go through that um 212 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: in what you're accounting reminds me a bit of George W. 213 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: Bush and some of the times when he would visit 214 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: other places, you know, and he would like he would 215 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: do the things, the rituals dawn, the clothing of of 216 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: certain places that were very traditional. But it just feels 217 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: it feels wrong in a way when you're watching it 218 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: as a third party, um, because it is appropriation in 219 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: some ways, but other in other ways, it's just being 220 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: in that area. But in this case, it's a it's 221 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: literally a cult that is built up around your family 222 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: and ourself. Well, it's it's usually I mean it's like 223 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: a diplomatic move if you're sort of like presented with 224 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: the traditional garb by the governments, you know what I mean, 225 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: asked to wear the thing or whatever. The god complexy 226 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: thing I was talking about was was more just Prince 227 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: Philip leaning into this and signing pictures and all of that. 228 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: That that's odd. He's almost capitalizing on the fact that 229 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, really some of these folks just don't know better. 230 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not not there's no ding on anybody's intelligence, 231 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: just about access to information, and he's essentially being like 232 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: not telling them otherwise. Yeah, it's it's a little strange. Yeah, 233 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a sticky thing, you know, like the 234 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: there is an ethical dilemma like is it is it 235 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: unethical to go along with the idea or is it 236 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: even more unethical two totally reject these people's deeply held 237 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs, you know, like God complex aside. It's I 238 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: and many people listening today have been in situations where 239 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: you are in a strange place and you are encouraged 240 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: to participate in a ritual that might otherwise feel like 241 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: appropriation if you if you were not if it were 242 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: not made explicitly clear that these people, this community wants 243 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: you to be a part of this thing. They want 244 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: you to do the thing, even if they think it's 245 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: hilarious that you're really bad at doing the thing, which 246 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: has happened to me a couple of times. If you 247 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: if you can't impress people, just just try to be 248 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: endearing about it, and then you'll you'll at least get 249 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: a pity pass. Uh. The third thing that the Prince 250 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Philip movement is considering, which I think could be immensely powerful, 251 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: is starting a political party. Uh. This could if you 252 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking out loud here, but this could do 253 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: a number of beneficial things for the people in these communities. 254 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: I would I would imagine that they will have a 255 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: special unilateral relationship with the United Kingdom that might help 256 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: with infrastructure, that might help with um, you know, medicine 257 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: aid as required, especially as ocean levels continue to rise. 258 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: So I think that I think there could be something 259 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: good that comes from this for anybody who's listening to 260 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: this segment who's thinking, yeah, I'm sold. I want a 261 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: religious movement based around me. I mean who does. Sure, 262 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: but Prince Philip had had it really easy in terms 263 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: of a lot of other cults of personality or movements 264 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: built around a person, because you know, if you're a 265 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: cult leader and the thing is like you're on call 266 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: all the time until you get really big, you have 267 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: to like you don't get days off. You have to 268 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: do CrowdWork constantly, never stopped, never stops. That's why, that's 269 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: why we got out of that game. So wait, Ben, 270 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about your So what we've established is that 271 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: there may be a religious movement forming a political party 272 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: that would represent I guess Tanna or Tana. Then they 273 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: would have a special relationship with the UK. I'm just 274 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: imagining the whole Hawaii scenario that Doc Holiday did such 275 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: a good job discussing. Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome, 276 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: where the special relationship goes bad really quickly. I mean, 277 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a possibility, hopefully as far less 278 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: likely in one but there. So, the John From movement 279 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: is essentially on one side of this island, and the 280 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: Prince Philip movement is on the other side of the 281 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: same island, and the John From movement already started a 282 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: political party, so they're they're following in some footsteps here. 283 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm just I am torn about this idea. I think 284 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: yet it might not qualify as life changing or world 285 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: changing news. But this is an excellent example of what 286 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: we always say and have said for years. The stories 287 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: don't stop when the headlines stop or when the news 288 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: cycle moves on. They're very real people who are going 289 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: to uh going to feel the consequences or the memories 290 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: of the death of Prince Philip for generations to come. 291 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: I would love to visit vanuatu Um, It's on my 292 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: list of remote islands to visit. But I'm not I'm 293 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: not sure how to how to handle this, And this 294 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: is where I want to defer to our fellow conspiracy realists. 295 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: What do you think is the ethical thing to do 296 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: if you found yourself in a situation like this. Let's 297 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: say you traveled abroad to a remote location, you met 298 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: some people, you did some stuff, go back to wherever 299 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: you normally live, and then years or decades later, you 300 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: find out that you are now a messiodic figure. How 301 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: do you how do you navigate that in a responsible way? 302 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: Let us know one std W y t K conspiracy 303 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: and iHeart radio dot com. We're going to take a 304 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll be 305 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: back with more strange news. And we're back with another 306 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: strange news. This is a good one. This is a 307 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: follow up on one we report. I believe we did it. 308 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: Maybe have to we do a full episode on this. 309 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: I think we did. Guys UM clear View AI the 310 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: controversial UM Internet startup AI software developer company based out 311 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: of New York. A gentleman by the name of hon 312 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Ton Thought is the company's co founder and CEO. There 313 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: was a really cool public radio story where a woman 314 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: tracked him down to this weird, half like half used 315 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: office and he very clearly didn't want to be found. 316 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: The reporter who tracked him down had to go to 317 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: great lengths to find him. UM And even as early 318 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: as then, we were talking about the ramifications of something 319 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: like this, what the software purportion to be able to do. 320 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: It's just like like you know, facial recognition software on steroids. 321 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: They've mind you know, And it's all a product again, 322 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: of all this amazing information about ourselves that we just 323 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: pump out into the ether for anyone to grab or scrape. 324 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: Is the term that's used when it's applied to like 325 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: software bots. I guy us to go through and literally 326 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: just grab up all of this stuff that's out there, 327 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: all these profile pictures, all any kind of you know, 328 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: image associated with people's um, publicly available social media accounts 329 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: and and and more. UM. And the thing that differentiated 330 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: a clear view is that they just amassed through just 331 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, god knows how many hours or how you 332 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: even break that down of scraping this data, just an 333 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: insane library of faces. UM. That they were then able 334 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: to supposedly cross reference to information about the people's actual identity. Uh. 335 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: Their idea behind this is that it's a tool that's 336 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: going to revolutionize law enforcement, you know, for tracking down 337 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: fugitives and criminals and things like that. UM. And of course, 338 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: immediately the conversation goes the way it always goes when 339 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: it comes to some kind of you know, only use 340 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: it this way technology, where then it's like you know, 341 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: you know, um, yeah, sure it's only for law enforcement, 342 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: but so we're radar detectors and anybody you know can 343 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: get your hands on one of those, or like tasers 344 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: or any other thing that's supposedly proprietary. When it starts 345 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: eventually makes its way into the public domain. UM. And 346 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: it's problematic because how reliable is this technology? You know, 347 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: is it creating false positives? UM? You know, do we 348 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: really want to put this much faith in some sort 349 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: of third party you know, kind of seemingly fly by 350 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: night at least from those early stories operation And well 351 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: they're not fly by night because they're still around and 352 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: they're making the news again, uh, and not the best way. Essentially, 353 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: there's a couple of stories tied to uh, this update, 354 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: one of which is that BuzzFeed News reported and uncovered 355 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: that or in the early days of clear View trying 356 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: to get some you know, momentum, they gave seven thousand 357 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: individual people from the representatives from nearly two thousand public 358 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: agencies free trial memberships to clear View AI. And this 359 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: is like direct to them, not even through the agencies. 360 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: So BuzzFeed basically created a searchable table of one thousand, 361 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: eight hundred and three publicly funded agencies UM and the 362 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: employees listed as having either tested or downloaded, you know, 363 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: signed up for the free trial of this this this tool. UM. 364 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: And that's places like the state police, US Immigrations and 365 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: Customs enforcement, healthcare organizations, the Air Force, Offices of State 366 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: Attorneys podcast. Yeah, exactly in public schools. So I was joking. Sorry, 367 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: I was that was a really bad not joke, joking 368 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: about me getting access to clear View. So you did 369 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: get it? No, No, Well that's the point though. I 370 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: think the point is that these invitations are pretty open ended, 371 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 1: and then if you had had gotten access to when 372 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: you certainly could have gotten it, because these invitations went 373 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: out without, oftentimes the knowledge of the agencies these individuals 374 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: worked for. UM, and that's the problem. And all of 375 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: this stuff was happened between two thousand and eighteen and 376 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty UM. And there's there's some really good 377 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: as an article on like I said, BuzzFeed news article 378 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: where they talked to several folks who got ahold of 379 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: it UM. By the way, when asked for comment about 380 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: this situation, the founder, co founder and CEO Jan tom 381 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Thought said it was quote gratifying to see how quickly 382 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: clear View AI has been embraced by US law enforcement. Okay, 383 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: you didn't really answer the question, um, yeah, he had. 384 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: He had no comment on any of the other fifty 385 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: questions that were throwing at him during this UM this 386 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: press conference but here here's where it gets interesting. Um. 387 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: A guy by the name of Adrian Williams, who's the 388 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: police chief of Wilson's Mills, North Carolina. That's hard to 389 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: say Wilson's Mills. Um, he has many mills. Uh. And 390 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: he said, I found the site on a law enforcement 391 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: website last year. He just found it. I said, you 392 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: don't have to be a cop to look at a 393 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement website. I said, up an ac count to 394 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: see if it worked. Um. And he said he tested 395 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: it using his own personal photos, just to see what 396 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: came up. Uh. He says, I ran two known persons 397 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: to see if they came back with any youthful info. 398 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: I did not think it work the way they had 399 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: said it went. It's it's strange though, because this comes 400 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: on the heels of an earlier report. I think it 401 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: was just last year where clear View said that they 402 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: were no longer going to sell to private companies, no 403 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: longer sell to non law enforcement entities, which itself was 404 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: an announcement in reaction to another piece by BuzzFeed News. 405 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: Somewhat at BuzzFeed News is keeping an eye on this, 406 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: and if you are listening today, thank you very much. 407 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm grateful because we talked about this in our episode 408 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: on clear View. I just pulled up my notes from 409 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: it in our episode on clear View. I think we 410 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: do a pretty good job making the case that there 411 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: are too many problems with facial recognition for it to 412 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: be legally dependable. I think, what do you guys completely agree, 413 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: especially if it's from things like like you know, low light, 414 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: you know, security cameras or a t M cameras and 415 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: things like that. I mean, I would certainly hope you 416 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: could not convict somebody with that alone. You know. Yeah, there, 417 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: like you said, there are so many problems resolution of 418 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: the photos that are being uploaded to it. Do you 419 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: you guys remember in that episode we recorded, there was 420 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: a a journalist who was being interviewed and they put 421 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: his photograph in there or they yeah, they put they 422 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: put a photograph in and then they found I think 423 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: a picture of him from some old like Geo city 424 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: site or MySpace or whatever, was of him when he 425 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: was a little kid, and so somehow the facial recognition 426 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: found him when his face looked completely different. So like 427 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: the actual metrics of the facial recognition, you know, could 428 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: maybe be that sophisticated. That's what the founder said. It 429 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: was just super sophisticated. It was able to find you 430 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: at that young age. But really it seems like I 431 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: think we concluded even that there's probably some other things 432 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: that are happening in the background of that search application. Yeah, 433 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: very much so, because what we're looking at, I mean, 434 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: this is proprietary, but what we're probably looking at is 435 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: a pretty robust cross referencing system. So it is an 436 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: image search, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's also 437 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: an image search that recognizes metadata in a digital image. 438 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: That think the problem that I'm talking about to say 439 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud, and it's weird that more 440 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: people don't talk about this. The problem with facial recognition 441 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: is that it has huge systemic racial problems. Like if 442 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: you are a black person or if you you're pretty 443 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: much any person of color, the majority of these facial 444 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: recognition programs have have a a high likelihood of misidentifying you. 445 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, that can just be like, oh, imperfect technology. 446 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: When we're just doing R and D, people are trying 447 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: to prove something worked. But when you get like Noll, say, 448 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: when you get into the sphere of law enforcement. You're 449 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: talking about real legal consequences. If there is a world 450 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: where someone can be locked up or detained based entirely 451 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: odd of facial recognition, then that world needs to have 452 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: facial recognition technology that actually works. And right now, that's 453 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: just that's not the case. No, Ben, I'm sorry. What 454 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: you're saying to is I'm saying this lightheartedly because it's 455 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: just so depressing. But it's you know, you hear so 456 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: often the racist notion that all insert race here looked 457 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: the same. Uh. This is literally technology that has that 458 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: problematic kind of like flaw. Uh. And it's a thing 459 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: that police do quite often mistaking a young young black 460 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: male in a hoodie for another young black male and 461 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: who you committed a crime, you know, and not actually 462 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: taking the time to ask the questions and find out 463 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: if that person really was there. They just you know, 464 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: jumped to conclusions. Um, this is it's it's just problematic 465 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: on so many levels. And not to mention the company, 466 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, kind of circumvent I mean, I get it. 467 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: I guess it's like the first taste is free or whatever, 468 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: and it's like they're trying to get some buzz about 469 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: it in the law enforced community. But apparently these folks 470 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: were actually using it to help them in their law 471 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: enforcement efforts without the note, without the knowledge of their 472 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: superior m That's the other aspect that just further complicates this. Like, 473 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: one thing we know for sure about these powerful investigative 474 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: tools is that whenever you have a group of people 475 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: that are allowed to use them, even if only for 476 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: official purposes, someone inevitably uses it to search for like 477 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: a person they have a crushed shod, or the person 478 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: they have a grudge with, or their ex spouse or 479 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: their girlfriend. There's something like that. Like this stuff without oversight, 480 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: this this is dangerous, you know what I mean? You know, guys, 481 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: I want to see in the Supreme Court A I 482 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: want to see a case rise all the way up 483 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: to Scotus where it's an individual versus say, a clear 484 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: view where they're accusing the algorithm of cyber stalking them. 485 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: Uh see if we can see if we can get 486 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: a felony or whatever misdemeanor. I don't know what charge 487 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: that is against a an algorithm for cyber stalking. Nice, Yeah, 488 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: I mean when is the first uh when is the 489 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: first non physical thing going to be recognized as enough 490 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: of of essentience or enough of a mind in court 491 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: to be liable for legal consequences. So it's a weird 492 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: question because oddly enough, it relates to the idea of 493 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: legal personhood. There has been a movement for several years 494 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: in Germany and other parts of Europe to have animals, 495 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: higher order animals like dolphins elephants recognized as legal persons, 496 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: because the move is to get them recognized and then 497 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: grant them environment old protections. So I wonder what would happen, 498 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, if you could take well, at first, you 499 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: have to I don't think you could take an algorithm 500 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: to court. You would have to take the creator of 501 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: the algorithm. Yeah, are some kind of AI. Maybe that's 502 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: that's functioning with it? At least you're right right now? Yes, 503 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: but who knows. Man, it's the future taking AI to court. 504 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: Sue the pants Wait the you could see the rams 505 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: off of them? No? Uh yeah, yeah, no, it's true. 506 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: What is it? That's something I'm gonna say, Mr Showline, 507 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: We'll sue the pants off of them and then we'll 508 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: sell them pants Um. I bring up Mr show the 509 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: seminole hbo Um sketch comedy show The kind of surrealist, 510 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, really cool, like each one kind of blends 511 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: into the the other one with Bob Odenkirk and David 512 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Cross because, um, one of the guys in the cast 513 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: of that show, a dude by the name of j Johnston. 514 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: H dude looks remarkably like him. Was was you know, 515 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: seen in one of these FBI you know, shoot us 516 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: a tip if you see this guy, uh, pictures that 517 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: they were circulating around folks that participated in the storming 518 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: of the Capitol on January six, Um, And it's just 519 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: funny to me. There's a full view of this guy's 520 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: face and another one with him in a mask, and 521 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: it definitely looks a hell of I like him. And um, 522 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the comedy set in LA 523 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: have reported that it definitely was him. Yeah, he confirmed it. 524 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: I think, Okay, maybe I missed that part. But my 525 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: point is, this is a dude. It's all over TV 526 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: and has been for like twenty five years. Uh, plenty 527 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: of pictures of him on the internet. How come they 528 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: couldn't nail him with AI facial recognition software. Doesn't the 529 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: FBI have this stuff? Why are they? You know, crowdsourcing 530 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: this because it Yeah, it just it just makes me 531 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: question like the validity of facial recognition software in general. Yeah, 532 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you better, you better give me 533 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: definitive proof before I believe that man was there doing 534 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: that thing, and make sure it's not a deep fake, 535 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: because that too. That's an excellent point. That's the other thing. 536 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: Facial recognition and deep fake technology are evolving at the 537 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: same time at a breakneck pace. So I think we're 538 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: very we're already very close to a world where the 539 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: deep fake tech can fool or mislead facial recognition tech. Also, 540 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: you can get really cool masks a lot of protesters 541 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: where of now that that will uh disrupt facial recognition technology. 542 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: I don't have one yet, but I've got some trips 543 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: coming up where I should probably look into that. Yeah, 544 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: you get that one cool one that makes your face 545 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: look like a like a holiday fire though. That one's 546 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: pretty cool or like a spooky ghost whatever you call it. 547 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: Like it's like an led Matt. I love it. I want. 548 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: I tried to get one immediately, but they were sold out. 549 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: Oh no, uh yeah, those things that thing is great, 550 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: my my cats. You might have heard one screaming just 551 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: a second ago. My cats hate it. They are not 552 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: down with it. Uh. They like people to have the 553 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: same face every day, which I think is kind of 554 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: living in the past. And maybe with things like clear 555 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: view AI, we will see more normalization of facial disguise techniques. 556 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Yeah, I mean I would 557 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: do right now if I could, I wouldn't be on 558 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: this YouTube channel showing my actual skin face. That's gross. 559 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: Old skin face strikes again. Yeah, I I really appreciate 560 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: you bringing this to everyone's attentional because we see again 561 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: legislation is getting left in the dust. Legislation has being 562 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: outpaced by technology and they are quite literally not laws 563 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: yet for the kind of stuff this sort of technology 564 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: can do. And that's that's going to be increasingly important 565 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: and it's gonna bear increasingly profound consequences in the future. 566 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely founded in reality. That opinion, um 567 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: and and and it's becomes something like where there's gonna 568 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: be a disconnect between you know, federal law and individual 569 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: organizations or entities. For example, the l a p D 570 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: is already outright band its use because they already see 571 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: the problems. So there you go. Uh, and there's there's 572 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: a whole other thing that there's several things wrapped up 573 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: in this. There's like an injunction, there's a there's a 574 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: lawsuit that's going on in Europe, uh, basically trying to 575 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: prevent this from ever being used in any way in Europe. Um. 576 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, the big story is that all of these 577 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: agencies were essentially using it without permission. Oh and not 578 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: to mention the fact that it sucks that apparently it 579 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: does not work very well. Uh so yeah, sorry, clear 580 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: of view. I'm afraid they've drummed up so much, you know, 581 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: hype for themselves by you know, edge lording that kind 582 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: of slippery slope of police state. But I don't think 583 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: it's going to pan out. I would say, you know, 584 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: I would say that one reply to that, I'm not 585 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: trying to be precious about it, is we're talking about 586 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: a gun that has a bad aim, right, But a 587 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: gun with a bad aim is only a more dangerous 588 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: gun because of that, because of that problem. Yeah, It's 589 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: like they say, a doll knife is more dangerous than 590 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: a sharp one. Yes, I guess it depends on whether 591 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: the human firing the gun has good aim or not 592 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: because if the human has a really good aim but 593 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: the gun has terrible aim, then a bullet's never gonna 594 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: hit the target. But if they've got terrible aim the 595 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: gun has terrible aim, then you could be in real trouble. Yolo, 596 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go outside, let's get let's get clear viewed. 597 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: It's happening, whether you like it or not. So yeah, 598 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: it is, and it's gonna keep happening, and it's an 599 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: ongoing story, and you're right then it's like, you know, 600 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: you can't put the badger back in the bag. So 601 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: it's already out there. It already has been out there. 602 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we see it with Facebook predicting who's in 603 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: your pictures? Is that so and so or whatever. I mean, 604 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: we know that stuff exists. It's just gonna keep getting better. 605 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: The law just needs to catch up, you know. To me, 606 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: it seems like it's almost like a cheat, kind of 607 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I could see their cases where it 608 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: could be useful, certainly, say identifying terrorists who are actively 609 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: going to you know, hurt people you know, in in 610 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: a particular moment. But it's a slippery slope, right, You 611 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: can't use it for some things and not other things, right, 612 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean you should be able to 613 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: there should be. It reminds me of like I've been 614 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: rewatching the New Watchman or you know, not new anymore, 615 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: but the Watchman series on HBO, and it it kind of, 616 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,959 Speaker 1: you know, creates this world where police have to hide 617 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: their faces be because you know, just knowledge that someone 618 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: who's police is going to put that police person's life 619 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: in jeopardy. Um. But they have this thing where in 620 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: order to uh use lethal force or draw your weapon, 621 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: you have to make a case for it to somebody 622 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: who then unlocks the weapon for you. UM. I don't 623 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: know quite where I was going with that, but I 624 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: mean to me, it's like there should be the ability 625 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: to use a tool in the right situation, but also 626 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: not so many safeguards that it's not even worthwhile and 627 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't really help anybody because in the situation and Watchman, 628 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: when the person can unlock his gun in time, you know, 629 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: the moment passes for that to be useful tool for 630 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: that individual to protect themselves. So it's all slippery, isn't it. 631 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's all very slippery. Well, let's slip 632 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: and slide our way into an ad break. Uh, and 633 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: then we'll be right back with another strange news. All right, 634 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: and we're back. Hey, you guys have had any ear 635 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: worm all day and yesterday? Do you remember this song? 636 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: Wherever I go? No, wherever you go, I'll be right 637 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: there waiting for you. I forget the well be right. 638 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: So that song has been in my head and I 639 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: played it and I didn't I don't know a lot 640 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: about music, but uh this, I didn't realize that the 641 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: person who made that song's name is Richard Marx. Yeah. 642 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: I saw him randomly. Holy, I'm so sorry. I really briefly, 643 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: I randomly stumbled into his show in l A at 644 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: the Troubadour. It was sold out, and I like made 645 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: nice with the bouncer and he let me in and 646 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: I saw Richard Marks. I was like, I just just 647 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: occurred to that's that was Yeah, I'm sorry, please continue, 648 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Oh no, I just I don't know why 649 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: the song was in my head, and I had this epiphany, 650 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: like that guy's name if you, if you like, use 651 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: his shortened first name, that is unfortunate. Well, I mean, 652 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: chaos is an opportunity, right, yeah, it Marks, you know 653 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: there's there's a situation where that could work to your advantage. 654 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: I I gotta tell you, Matt, this whole time I was. 655 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: I know we're running um, we're running a tight ship today, 656 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: so I could try not to chime in too much. 657 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: But it's whole time I was waiting with bated breath 658 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: as you talked about your earworm, because I thought this 659 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: is either really haunting my guy here, or this is 660 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: gonna be one amazing segue. No it's not. Let's do it. 661 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: Let okay, okay, okay. Israel appears to have left it's 662 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: Richard marks all over the Iran nuclear situation is That's 663 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 1: why I messed with you. Man. You got it perfect 664 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: and worth every wasted second which I can dream like. 665 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: So tell us all about these dick marks all over Iran. Well, 666 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: if if this stays in, uh, I'll give you a 667 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: clean break so you can come back in if you 668 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: need to cut all Okay, Okay, no, he's keep it in. 669 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: Tell us all about these Richard marks. Okay, sure, okay. Uh. 670 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: This is very serious, you guys, and terrifying. And that's 671 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: why I think we're we're forcibly making ourselves make light 672 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: of it. UM. There's there's this place called Iran. It's 673 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and there have been a lot 674 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: of tensions with many many other surrounding countries with Iran. UH. 675 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with ideological the 676 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: ideological view of Iran, or at least a perceived view, 677 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: the political the perceived political intentions of Iran, and the 678 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: stated intentions of Iran at times, UM and they seem 679 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: to oppose most of the Western world and especially Western 680 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: powers that have a stake in the Middle East in 681 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: countries around Iran. UH. We've talked about Iranu many times 682 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,359 Speaker 1: on this show before. I'd recommend some of our other 683 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: episodes to get primers on that stuff or literally just search, uh, 684 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: search around a little bit, you'll find all of the 685 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: stories we're going to mention right now. It was this 686 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: past weekend when we're recording this. The last Sunday, there 687 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: was a quote terrorist attack reported in Iran at this 688 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: place called the Naton's Complex. This is um it's Intran. 689 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: It's a it's a power plant, gener power generation plant. 690 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: It's a nuclear power generation plant where there are centrifuges 691 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: and it's really dangerous to have a power outage. When 692 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: there's uh nuclear equipment being run, centrifuges, all kinds of 693 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: other equipment, especially dangerous if it's if they've actually got 694 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: rods that are generating power and then and then the 695 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: surrounding power goes out. We've seen that before. What can occur? Um, 696 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: you know, Fukushima isn't the same thing. There's a lot 697 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: of water that was that was being dealt with there, 698 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: as well as damage from an earthquake. But anytime power 699 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: goes out, you can you know, you're you're talking about 700 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: backup energy situations that are always at least second tier 701 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: at best. Um. So let's jump to reporting out of 702 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: the BBC just to learn exactly what happened here. According 703 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: to them, the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran the a 704 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: eo I said that this incident had occurred on Sunday. 705 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: It was involving the nuclear facilities power network. They didn't 706 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: provide a ton of information about what exactly happened, what 707 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: happened to the power network, but they did say there 708 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: were quote no casualties or leaks. Hey, that's great. It 709 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: is a nuclear power facility, uh um, because we know 710 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: that can be very very disastrous. Here's a here's a 711 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: quote they were condemning this despicable move. The Islamic Republic 712 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: of Iran emphasizes the need for the international community and 713 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: the International Atomic Energy Agency to deal with this nuclear terrorism. Again, 714 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: they're they're categorizing it as a terrorist attack that occurred 715 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: on their facility within Iran, and they also said Iran 716 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: reserves the right to take action against the perpetrators. So 717 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: that's intimidating, a little scary, and um, it just depends 718 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 1: on who the perpetrators are, if it truly was an 719 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: act by an outside player, let's say a country, a 720 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: state that that was not Iran. Yes, yes, WHOA. I 721 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,399 Speaker 1: literally just got an email about the offspring right when 722 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: you said that. Oh yeah, no, I'm I'm I've riddled 723 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: you guys computers with all sorts of surveillance stuff, specifically 724 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: send an email about the offspring, and then you quoted 725 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 1: the offspring. Oh, it's an act of terrorism. Uh, oh 726 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: my god. Well, so, um, let's let's talk about this 727 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: site a little bit. Uh with Ton's site, this place 728 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: has been in the news recently. I don't know if 729 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: we talked about this on a Strange News episode or 730 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: even mentioned it in passing, but it's something that I'm 731 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 1: sure we mentioned to each other. There was a fire 732 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: at this same site earlier in July, I believe. I 733 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: think it hit the centrifuge assembly workshop. So as they 734 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: were building up to these new centrifuges that they just 735 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: they just unveiled them that they are functioning, they just 736 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: turned them on and like ceremoniously, and the power went out. Basically, 737 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,240 Speaker 1: that's what occurred. Yeah, we talked about it amongst ourselves, 738 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: I believe, but we we didn't talk about it on 739 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,240 Speaker 1: air because a peek peek into the background here, folks. 740 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: For more than a year now, we've got this big 741 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: list of potential episodes, and for more than a year 742 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: there's been one called What's going On in Iran? And 743 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: every time I started thinking, because I read about this 744 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: stuff in my free time anyway, every time I start thinking, Okay, 745 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: we can make an episode now and it will not 746 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,800 Speaker 1: be immediately outdated, some something crazy happens and we're like, 747 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: oh good, it's good we didn't record because then people 748 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: would ask why we didn't talk about this thing. So 749 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: maybe one day we'll be able to do it, but 750 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: we can't really do it justice yet since there's so 751 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: many ongoing events and Matt, you know, you know my 752 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: feelings about this. That site has been targeted for years, uh, 753 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: and it's pretty pretty clear who's doing the target. Yes, 754 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: we started this whole thing with a ridiculous accidental bit 755 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: about Richard Marks and we made a very you know, 756 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: we made a statement about it about a particular country, 757 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: and we said that Israel may have been the culprit. 758 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: And that's because there's been some weirdly public reporting, like 759 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: statements basically saying saying, yes, it was Israel that caused 760 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: this to occur. So according to reporting coming out of 761 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: the Guardian, Israel apparently confirmed that it was behind this, uh, 762 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: this incident which occurred in the form of a cyber attack. 763 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: So that's that is the way that the power was 764 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: I guess messed with and then shut down was through 765 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: going through the network network of the Naton's site. UM. 766 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: And it's very strange, and there's reporting about this coming 767 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: out from everywhere, from the Guardian to the BBC to 768 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: us uh US outlets including Slate. Yeah, that's Matt. So 769 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: there are there are a number of issues here that 770 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: come into play. There is a conspiracy of foot the 771 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: there are several conspiracies conspiracy theories. One conspiracy is on 772 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: the part of Iran to have nuclear power. Whether or 773 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: not you think that leads to weapons is going to 774 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: be up to your own individual perspective. But the fact 775 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: of the matter is that this conspiracy is worrying to 776 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: a lot of of Iran's rivals and enemies because of 777 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: the technology you can use to make nuclear power is 778 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: the same technology you use to make nuclear weapons. It's 779 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: only a matter of how many times you rinse and 780 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: repeat your centrifuge process. The second conspiracy is the active 781 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy by UH the government of Israel as well as 782 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,360 Speaker 1: the US to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear power. And 783 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: this the means that whenever you hear about an attack 784 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 1: on Iran's nuclear facilities, however you feel about them, one 785 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 1: of the first things you should do is check on 786 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: domestic news in the US and check on the domestic 787 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: news in the government of Israel, because I believe that 788 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: there these kinds of attacks take a quite a long 789 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: time to plan. This is not something you come up 790 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,919 Speaker 1: with on Friday and execute on Sunday. There's like deep 791 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: cover people planted in these things. Different assets and operatives. 792 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: There is a silent, ongoing battle, and we only hear 793 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,080 Speaker 1: about it in terms of isolated incidents like uh, scientists 794 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: gets assassinated, right, or like there's a fire at a 795 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: at a given facility. But these are all part of 796 00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,760 Speaker 1: the same, the same fight. And when I heard about 797 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: the recent disaster in Iran, I immediately started asking some 798 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: questions myself and digging into this. The current government of 799 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: Israel was quite supportive of the former US presidents handling 800 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: of a rod right. The last US president definitely pulled 801 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: out of the Irad non nuclear proliferation deal right, And 802 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: the current president, Joe Biden, is changing up the signals 803 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: he wants Iran in the US back in the deal, 804 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,840 Speaker 1: which the government of Israel very much does not want. 805 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: So there have been accusations in the West that the 806 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:51,280 Speaker 1: Israeli government is purposely trying to sabotage the situation, escalating 807 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: pressure such that the US will be unable or i 808 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: should say, the current administration will be unable to re 809 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,760 Speaker 1: enter that deal or renegotiate because Israel sees a nuclear 810 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,640 Speaker 1: Iran as nothing short of an existential threat. I hope 811 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: I Hope I explained that without putting too much opinion 812 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: in there. I think those are just the facts, dude. 813 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: That that's great and and it also we should just 814 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: mention here that as you said, look look at the 815 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: domestic news coming out of Israel, because you will see 816 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:29,200 Speaker 1: the Cohn that's a broadcaster there. They cited some unnamed 817 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, they'll do an unnamed source, some unnamed Israeli 818 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: intelligence source says the facility was the target of a 819 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 1: cyber operation, and Israeli cyber operation. Then herrets came forward 820 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: and said, yeah, it's you know, it was probably an 821 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,879 Speaker 1: Israeli cyber attack. Then a defense analyst at the Wye 822 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 1: net news site said, um quote, it was reasonable to 823 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 1: assume that the problem might not have been caused by 824 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 1: an accident, but by deliberate sabotage intended to slow the 825 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: nuclear race accelerated by the negotiations with the US on 826 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: removing sanctions. Um Even Benjamin Netton Yahoo said, the struggle 827 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: against Iran and its proxies in the Iranian armament efforts 828 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: is a huge mission. So they all kind of started 829 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: talking about it publicly, at least the news sources as 830 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: well as the Prime minister and a defense minister yeah, yeah, 831 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing. This attack, this most recent attack, occurs 832 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: as talks between the US and Iran or underway indirect talks. 833 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,399 Speaker 1: But but these issues are on the table. So it's 834 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: also logical to assume that at least some factions of 835 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: Israel's intelligence agencies or the overall government, they feel like 836 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: there's a limited window of time in which to act. 837 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: There is a ticking clock in people's heads, and when 838 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,400 Speaker 1: that clock reaches you know, midnight or whatever, then in 839 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: a very real way, their worst fear may come true. 840 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: There may be a nuclear armed Iran. To be fair 841 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 1: to Iran, they have never stated that they want to 842 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: acquire nuclear weapons. Every single official international statement you read 843 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,439 Speaker 1: from Iran will say they want clean nuclear power. It's true, 844 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: it's true, and they're they're pushing forward. They've at least 845 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: stated that they're going to push forward to uranium enrichment. 846 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,200 Speaker 1: Despite all this other stuff, despite of the talks, despite 847 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 1: of the tensions, despite of everything, Iran's moving forward, at 848 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: least according to the Wall Street Journal and people they're siting. 849 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: So we're just gonna have to continue watching this whole 850 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: situation as it and we were joking around about it 851 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 1: but the situation in Iran hasn't really cooled down since 852 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: I've considered myself an adult, So uh, maybe it will 853 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: one day. And the sanctions are are crippling people. That's 854 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: that's one of the really you know, it's it's an 855 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 1: interesting part of international relations. Do sanctions count as collective punishment? 856 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Are you punishing innocent people 857 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 1: just because they happen to live in a part of 858 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: the world that's run by a group of people you 859 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,120 Speaker 1: personally don't like or feel are dangerous. I'm on the fence, 860 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, because in some situations, sanctions are purposely made 861 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 1: to only target very wealthy, right like if you if 862 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: you put out sanctions on rolls royces in North Korea, 863 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that's not going to change a 864 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,320 Speaker 1: ton of people's lives in that country. There will be 865 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: a handful of people who are very pot about it though. 866 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,920 Speaker 1: For sure. Well, hey, um, I think we're gonna leave 867 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: it here. Everyone, if you know anything about the situation 868 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,320 Speaker 1: in Iran, we would love to hear from you, and 869 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: as well as all the other things we talked about today. Yeah, 870 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: and shout out specifically to my social media friends who 871 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: are in IRAW and your experience and your perspective is invaluable. 872 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 1: We would love to I I would personally love to 873 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: hear more about this. 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