WEBVTT - Bedside Manners 13: The End?

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<v Speaker 1>The Capuchin Friars thought they knew something about the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, their holy order was entrusted with caring for

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<v Speaker 1>the sick and dying in their community of Palmero, Italy.

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<v Speaker 1>They had been at it for decades and were considered

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<v Speaker 1>resident experts on postmortem care. But when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>their own dead, it turned out that nothing would go

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<v Speaker 1>according to plan. In fifteen thirty four, when they relocated

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<v Speaker 1>from far off Albacina, they immediately got to work constructing

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<v Speaker 1>a collective below ground cistern like crypt. This particular monastic

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<v Speaker 1>order practiced a tradition called the second burial. When a

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<v Speaker 1>person died, they would be allowed to decompose unburied for

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<v Speaker 1>some time. That was the first burial. When a Friar died,

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<v Speaker 1>his body would be laid on a shelf to drip dry,

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<v Speaker 1>draining himself of all of his liquid. Then, once the

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<v Speaker 1>soft bits like flesh and other tissues were gone, the

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<v Speaker 1>dried bones would be taken and installed within the holy

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<v Speaker 1>walls of the order's church. That's the second burial. So

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<v Speaker 1>as the years went on, the Friars stashed more and

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<v Speaker 1>more of their own bodies in their crypt, waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the day the space would hit max capacity. The brothers

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<v Speaker 1>planned to eventually go collect the bones for Fase two,

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<v Speaker 1>where they'd be brought up into the church. In October

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen ninety nine, some Friars descended down into the

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<v Speaker 1>belly of their crypt. Here they found something that had

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<v Speaker 1>been whispered about over the years. These bodies hadn't fully

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<v Speaker 1>decomposed at all. In fact, it seems that their decomposition

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<v Speaker 1>had simply been arrested. How could this be? Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>finding skeletons, they recognized their friends. It seemed that God

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<v Speaker 1>had intervened on their plan for the dead. They took

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<v Speaker 1>it all in to decide what it could mean. They

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<v Speaker 1>closely inspected all of the forty five bodies meticulously preserved

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<v Speaker 1>before them, and the Capuchin Friars believed they were witnessing

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<v Speaker 1>a miracle. They interpreted this moment as an act of

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<v Speaker 1>divine intervention. So the Friars decided to put the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>on display as holy relics. They hoisted them from below

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<v Speaker 1>and installed them around the church with wire and placards,

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<v Speaker 1>up behind the high altar and in nooks all around

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<v Speaker 1>the walls. And in all of this they continued on

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<v Speaker 1>with their day to day lives, they kept caring for

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<v Speaker 1>the sick and caring for the dead. They continued to

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<v Speaker 1>fill their underground crypt with the bodies of their newly

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<v Speaker 1>past members, and they noticed that these bodies, too were

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<v Speaker 1>not decomposing. It was determined that they would get the

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<v Speaker 1>same treatment as the others. The Friars got into the

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<v Speaker 1>practice of installing the dead in their final resting or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe standing place. Over the years, the order built additional

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<v Speaker 1>rooms for these bodies. They added multiple corridors for their

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<v Speaker 1>ever expanding collection of mummies. What we know now is

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<v Speaker 1>that Palermo has an excellent environment for mommification. The air

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<v Speaker 1>is dry and the humidity is low. The Capuchin's underground crypts,

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<v Speaker 1>which often utilized the natural made caves, were made of limestone,

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<v Speaker 1>which harbors incredible drying properties. Over the years, the Friars

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<v Speaker 1>began taking a more active role in the miracle making,

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<v Speaker 1>that is, preservation. They began to work with the addition

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<v Speaker 1>of vinegar, lime, chalk, and arsenic which they found to

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<v Speaker 1>aid in the process. Now, at first these catacombs were

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<v Speaker 1>an exclusive club for the resident Friars, But who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to rub elbows with the divine right. Taking money

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for holy services is historically fraught, but these

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<v Speaker 1>catacombs needed to be maintained, and the way that could

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<v Speaker 1>be done was through donation. So in time the catacombs

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<v Speaker 1>opened up to everyone, mostly to those who could pay

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<v Speaker 1>for the privilege of being in proximity to something seemingly miraculous. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>the Capuchin Catacombs are the final resting place of eight

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<v Speaker 1>thousand well dressed corpses, and for about five bucks you

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<v Speaker 1>can go see them. While it might seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>macab spectacle to some, to others, it's a comforts and

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<v Speaker 1>an honor to be in the physical midst of so

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<v Speaker 1>many who have passed through this life before. So often

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<v Speaker 1>the dead are hidden from us. In the not so

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<v Speaker 1>recent past, folks in the Western world tended to their

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<v Speaker 1>dead at home and buried them close by. Life was

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<v Speaker 1>experienced by all from the cradle to the grave until

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<v Speaker 1>a radical shift happened. For thousands of years across time

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<v Speaker 1>and place, we have been tending to and preserving are

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<v Speaker 1>dead because when our attempts at healing the body fail,

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<v Speaker 1>humans have to turn to the next task figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what to do with that body. I'm Aaron Mankee

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to bedside manners. When the opportunity to heal

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<v Speaker 1>a body has passed us by, there is still healing

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<v Speaker 1>to be sought for the living. That is, for those

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<v Speaker 1>who love the deceased. It can be a great comfort

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<v Speaker 1>to know that they've handled their loved ones with as

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<v Speaker 1>much care as they can muster, and that they are

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<v Speaker 1>giving them a proper sendoff. Throughout the centuries, humans have

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<v Speaker 1>derived rituals for death and the remains of their dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and among the many practices, there's one that shows up

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<v Speaker 1>time and time again, embalming. We can trace our earliest

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<v Speaker 1>examples of embalming back to about five thousand years ago

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<v Speaker 1>in ancient Egypt. It's possible that the first mummies had

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<v Speaker 1>no human intervention but were accidentally cured by the hot,

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<v Speaker 1>dry climate in shallow sandy graves. Around twenty six hundred BC, though,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems that mummification became more intentional. While we can't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how the first methods of mummification came to be,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't infer that early embalmers borrowed techniques from the

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<v Speaker 1>preservation of animal meat. Over the years, different technologies and

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<v Speaker 1>methods came into use, But what remained true over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of centuries was that these embalmers played a revered

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<v Speaker 1>role in the fabric of their communities. This act of

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<v Speaker 1>preservation was to ensure the dead would make it into

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<v Speaker 1>the afterlife intact and with everything they needed to carry

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<v Speaker 1>on on the next plane. Around five hundred BC, how

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<v Speaker 1>you chose to be embalmed in ancient Egypt boiled down

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<v Speaker 1>to a three tier service model. Your selections of a basic, deluxe,

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<v Speaker 1>or premium package all depended on your sensibilities and your savings.

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<v Speaker 1>To illustrate which package you were purchasing in bombers would

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<v Speaker 1>show shoppers three wooden models of corpses, all distinct from

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<v Speaker 1>one another. Each was illustrated with various incisions included or

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<v Speaker 1>not included in the purchase, as well as a list

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<v Speaker 1>of other lux add ons. At the bottom tier, the

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<v Speaker 1>body got a washing, assaulting, and perhaps an injection of

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<v Speaker 1>cedar oil. At the top, the body would be anointed

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<v Speaker 1>with an array of delicious smelling powders and oils, with

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<v Speaker 1>organs fully removed save for the heart. Of course, Embalming

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<v Speaker 1>became a means of one final capture of life in

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<v Speaker 1>a corpse it helped to sand down the rough edges

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<v Speaker 1>between life and death for survivors. The ritual has become

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<v Speaker 1>part of our customary response to death ever since. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion of Christianity would create waves in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>burial customs of the world. As our concept of afterlife changed,

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<v Speaker 1>so too did the means required to get this. Embalming

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<v Speaker 1>fell out of fashion just for a while. By the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle Ages, embalming again gained favor, being seen as a

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<v Speaker 1>practical solution to some earthly problems. The pendulum began to

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<v Speaker 1>swing back. At this time, it was often reserved for

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<v Speaker 1>high ranking military men killed in action who needed to

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<v Speaker 1>be sent home with some semblance of recognizability. But with

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries rising interest in anatomy and

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<v Speaker 1>all of the lessons it had to teach us, more

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<v Speaker 1>bodies were needed for dissection practice. Anatomists toyed with different

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<v Speaker 1>recipes and embalming techniques in the same way that the

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<v Speaker 1>alchemists are. Proto chemists that we met earlier in this season,

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<v Speaker 1>worked in their labs, cooking up solutions both physical and

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<v Speaker 1>metaphorical in nature. Practitioners used all kinds of things and Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>they're things that you'd probably think would make some nice

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<v Speaker 1>smelling potpourriaut of rose and cammameal and cedar in various

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<v Speaker 1>combinations and forms, and sometimes turpidine and lime and ash

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<v Speaker 1>and wax and alcohol. Through the years, they developed different

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<v Speaker 1>techniques for preservation and washing and drying, submerging, extracting organs

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<v Speaker 1>and draining blood, pumping a deflated body up with linen

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<v Speaker 1>or straw, and adding pigments for a living likeness. These

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<v Speaker 1>recipes were sometimes proprietary trade secrets, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>competition among embalmers as to who could make the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful corpses. Speaking of there was one such corpse whose

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<v Speaker 1>after life outlasted her mortal life that I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about today, and that was a woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Mary von Butchell, who died on January fourteenth of seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five. She had been married to a man named Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>a bizarre yet wildly successful dentist in London. He traveled

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<v Speaker 1>on a painted horse, wore flamboyant outfits, and somehow managed

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<v Speaker 1>to offend the general populace. Even still, his patients loved

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<v Speaker 1>him and kept his practice afloat for over twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>He had been a pupil of John Hunter, remember him, who,

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<v Speaker 1>along with his brother William, became two of the most

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<v Speaker 1>revered anatomists of their age. With this particular training, Martin

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<v Speaker 1>had an idea. He would have her embalmed and then

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<v Speaker 1>place her in his dental office window for all to see.

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<v Speaker 1>This was for advertising, of course, but Madman's don draper

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<v Speaker 1>he was not, so he called up his old friend

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<v Speaker 1>William Hunter to execute his idea. Now, scholars still debate

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<v Speaker 1>why he did this. One doesn't often use the body

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<v Speaker 1>of their deceased spouse to inspire public affection. One idea

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<v Speaker 1>was that this was a final jab to get back

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<v Speaker 1>at her for some transgression in life. On the contrary,

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<v Speaker 1>some believed that this was a gesture of great care

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<v Speaker 1>and affection, having called upon one of the most esteemed

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<v Speaker 1>anatomists in the world to help him. So, alongside William,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin embalmed Mary. It was a deeply intimate act, one

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<v Speaker 1>that required much time and attention to care for and

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<v Speaker 1>preserve her remains. They opened her up for autopsy and

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<v Speaker 1>inspected her organs for telltale signs of what had gone wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>From there, they began the first of a three stage

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<v Speaker 1>embalming process. First, they injected her arteries with a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of turpentine and vermilion and let it set. This would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually help them drain her blood, which came in the

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<v Speaker 1>second step, along with the removal of her organs. The

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<v Speaker 1>third step found them washing her body with water and alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>before filling her cavities with a mixture of camphor, niter

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<v Speaker 1>and resin. She was then stitched up with care, washed, dried,

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<v Speaker 1>and anointed with oils. She was then laid in a box,

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<v Speaker 1>her body set in quick drying plaster, ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>curious eyes of the general public. Words circulated quickly, as

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<v Speaker 1>you might imagine, and people wanted to see Mary's mummy exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems what he set out to do. He took

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<v Speaker 1>a blurb in the local paper imploring people to come

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<v Speaker 1>only at certain times, which, of course the cynic might

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<v Speaker 1>say was just another way to stir up interest. It

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<v Speaker 1>also seems that Mary's body long found a post mortem

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<v Speaker 1>home in the house they shared, even after he remarried.

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<v Speaker 1>When Martin died in eighteen fourteen, the Board of Curators

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<v Speaker 1>of the Royal College of Surgeons received a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>his son Martin was interred in the ground, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was no final rest for Mary. Her embalmed remains had

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<v Speaker 1>been in Martin's care while he was alive. Now his

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<v Speaker 1>son wanted to know did the Royal College have any

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<v Speaker 1>interest in putting Mary's body on display? They sure did,

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<v Speaker 1>so there she was. Mary, once an attraction in her

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<v Speaker 1>own home, was now accessible to the greater public in

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<v Speaker 1>the curio room at the College, where she stayed for

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred and thirty years. His body arrived at

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<v Speaker 1>the train platform in the middle of the night, passing

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<v Speaker 1>from one set of strangers hands to the next. At

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<v Speaker 1>about eleven pm on Saturday night, December seventeenth of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine, the now dead John E. Cook arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey City via the Express train North. He was received

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<v Speaker 1>by his brother in law and a local undertaker, just

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<v Speaker 1>another stop on the journey home. It was late or early,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's how we're counting. By the time the group

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in New York City, the night sky had broken

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<v Speaker 1>open and let loose to hohrents of rain, soaking our

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<v Speaker 1>faithful chaperones to the bone. They were able to catch

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<v Speaker 1>an express wagon, though, and John was loaded in his

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<v Speaker 1>final destination was a secret one, and traveling in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark helped them keep it this way. Their schedule was

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<v Speaker 1>something of a formality, but it also was a pure

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<v Speaker 1>function of the situation. John had recently been executed in

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia for treason, and his body had to move swifter

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<v Speaker 1>than the decay that threatened to overtake him. Curious folks

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<v Speaker 1>who managed to find out where John had ended up

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<v Speaker 1>were turned away when they called, but his young wife

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded to be the first to see his remains. When

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<v Speaker 1>they arrived, the undertaker promised her that this would happen,

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<v Speaker 1>but changed his mind once he saw just how badly

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<v Speaker 1>decomposed John appeared. Doctor Thomas Holmes, one of New York's

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<v Speaker 1>coroners and most skilled embalmers, got to work on the

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<v Speaker 1>body that lay before him. He got the arterial injection

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<v Speaker 1>site prepared and started, taking about forty five minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>get the four courts of liquid passed through the body,

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<v Speaker 1>but the newspapers noted that in about half the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Cook's face began to regain its natural color. The next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>it said that he didn't even smell. John E. Cook,

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<v Speaker 1>the flamboyant co conspirator of John Brown and his rebellion

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<v Speaker 1>at Harper's Ferry was held the following Tuesday at the

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<v Speaker 1>personal residence of the city Clerk. The political nature of

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<v Speaker 1>John's death and the criminal stigma around his hanging kept

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<v Speaker 1>local churches from opening their doors to him and his

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones. Only a handful of people were allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>see the body in the Crowd control at the actual

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<v Speaker 1>funeral limited attendees to a guided, single file line. After

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<v Speaker 1>the last visitor was led out through the basement of

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<v Speaker 1>the home, John's remains were taken to Cypress Hills Cemetery.

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<v Speaker 1>A reverend gave a short address before John was put

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<v Speaker 1>into the grave. After all of this was put to rest,

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<v Speaker 1>the good doctor Holmes dusted his hands and cleaned up

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<v Speaker 1>his embalming lab. He knew that the tides of how

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<v Speaker 1>Americans writ large were caring for the dead were changing,

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<v Speaker 1>but little did he know that the treatment of John E.

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<v Speaker 1>Cook's body would be the telltale canaar in the coal mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes was an anatomist and surgeon by trade, and was

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<v Speaker 1>deeply unsettled by the preservation of specimens, and by specimens,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean corpses that he saw come through his lab.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also well aware of the significant toxicity of

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals his fellow practitioners had gotten into the habit

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<v Speaker 1>of using. Over the past few years. In the hopes

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<v Speaker 1>of stopping the spread of diseases harbored in the corpses,

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<v Speaker 1>they had treated them with arsenic and mercury based compounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes had experienced studying Egyptian mummies, though, and he believed

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<v Speaker 1>that there were other and less deadly ways forward. For

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<v Speaker 1>the most parts, up until this point, the work of

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<v Speaker 1>death wasn't handled by professionals. The work was largely a

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<v Speaker 1>labor of the domestic space, and the most intimate tasks

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<v Speaker 1>of caring for the dead were carried out by women.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the mid eighteen hundreds, America was on its

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<v Speaker 1>way to creating a systemaized market for newly minted death specialists.

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<v Speaker 1>These tasks of caring for the dead were beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>be outsourced to paid strangers, consolidated into industries, and given

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<v Speaker 1>the shiny new ven year of professionalism, and doctor Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>was part of this movement. Having gained notoriety for developing

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<v Speaker 1>a safe embalming fluid, it was sold not just to

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<v Speaker 1>his fellow ananimius, but to the burgeoning class of undertakers

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<v Speaker 1>who were popping up all over the country. Even still,

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<v Speaker 1>the larger public often found it horrifying. That was until

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<v Speaker 1>the outbreak of the Civil War. Doctor Holmes had the

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<v Speaker 1>great distinction of embalming Elmer E. Ellsworth in eighteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>A Union Army colonel in life, he had been close

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<v Speaker 1>with President Lincoln. When the doctor heard this, he visited

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<v Speaker 1>the President and offered to embalm his friend. Newspaper accounts

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<v Speaker 1>praised the doctor's methods, extolling this idea that men who

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<v Speaker 1>were killed far from home could be embalmed locally and

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<v Speaker 1>preserved enough to make it home for a proper burial.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands came to see Elmer lying in his coffin, and

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<v Speaker 1>all who looked upon his face were said to be

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<v Speaker 1>taken by how utterly lifelike he remained. A short time later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Army Medical Corps decided that they would employ the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor's services to embalm all of the Union's dead. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a symptom of wishful thinking, though, because they thought

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<v Speaker 1>that the war would soon be over and the number

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<v Speaker 1>of casualties low, They had no idea the carnage they

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<v Speaker 1>were about to see and the undertaking that they were

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<v Speaker 1>about to embark upon. As America's Civil War exploded through

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<v Speaker 1>small towns, into the forests, and onto the open fields,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Holmes and his colleagues embalmed thousands of bodies. The

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<v Speaker 1>practice established itself in the midst of this horrific mass casualty,

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<v Speaker 1>which amounted to a bloodier conflict than any they'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>experienced before. For the first time in American history, scores

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<v Speaker 1>of people were dying far from where they were born.

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<v Speaker 1>According to one statistic, just in the South, one in

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<v Speaker 1>five Southern men died during this conflict. Everyone seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>know someone or some ones, and try as we might,

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<v Speaker 1>the psychic toll incurred is unlike anything we've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>our own lifetimes. The practice of embalming then became both

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<v Speaker 1>practical and sentimental. It gave grieving families one last chance

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<v Speaker 1>to look upon their loved ones, even if sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>were hardly recognizable. And while it's true that some embalmers

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<v Speaker 1>were motivated by care and compassion for their fallen countrymen,

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<v Speaker 1>the others were motivated by the hustle and the profit

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<v Speaker 1>to be made off the dead. Even in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of tragedy, or, as so often happens, because of it,

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunists had arrived. It said that those who had

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<v Speaker 1>taken up the embalming trade following the outbreak of the

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<v Speaker 1>war stalked the Union and Confederate armies around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>staking out battlefields and recruiting prospective clients while they were

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<v Speaker 1>still living with the generous offer of pre paid embalming

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<v Speaker 1>coverage and transportation plans. These men were hawking their wares

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<v Speaker 1>in showman's style and with only a hint of sensitivity.

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<v Speaker 1>You can only imagine what that did to the morale

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<v Speaker 1>of the troops on the front line. Some embalmers, too,

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<v Speaker 1>were charged with more or less holding bodies of the

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<v Speaker 1>dead hostage until their families could pay what amounted to

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<v Speaker 1>a ransom. The craft was wildly on regular but in

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<v Speaker 1>years to come it would be codified and organized with

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<v Speaker 1>laws and degrees as a mechanism of control. In all,

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<v Speaker 1>around forty thousand were embalmed and sent home. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a practice that seemed ghastly to so many in the

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<v Speaker 1>years leading up to the war, but like many things,

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<v Speaker 1>that war might change our collective attitude towards death and

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<v Speaker 1>how to manage the care of it. Became one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>President Abraham Lincoln, who had been at the country's helm

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<v Speaker 1>for this entire conflict, died on April fifteenth of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five after being shot at Ford's Theater in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. By a Confederate sympathizer. His body was quickly

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<v Speaker 1>moved to the local embalming firm of Brown and Alexander,

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<v Speaker 1>who just three years before had embalmed the president's young son.

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<v Speaker 1>It was collectively decided by the powers in Washington that

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<v Speaker 1>the president was going to be sent on one last tour.

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<v Speaker 1>He had belonged to the people in life, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would belong to them still in death. Lincoln had commissioned

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<v Speaker 1>a stately presidential railcar, and it would now serve as

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<v Speaker 1>his nine car funeral train, spending twenty days and seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles crossing the country from Washington, d C. To Springfield, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>and it stops along the way. His black bedecked train

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<v Speaker 1>was met by thousands of mourners who wished to see

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<v Speaker 1>the president one last time. He was accompanied by loved

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<v Speaker 1>ones and over one hundred and fifty attendants, including a

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<v Speaker 1>resident embalmer. The latter worked alongside local undertakers to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that the president was looking as fresh as possible, even

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<v Speaker 1>as Lincoln's face began to sink and discolor in the heat.

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<v Speaker 1>The conductor of the train was quoted as saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he looked as if he were asleep in pleasant dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said before, this concept of embalming the

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<v Speaker 1>dead like this was something that people had to get

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<v Speaker 1>used to. But any disgussed discomfort or unease experienced firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>by these curious onlookers was far surpassed by Lincoln's body

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<v Speaker 1>as a symbol. They witnessed that his embalming gave him

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to still be among them, if only for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while longer, and in doing so, he helped

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<v Speaker 1>to cement the powers of human preservation in the public's imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few short years, the practice changed how the

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<v Speaker 1>country would go on to live with death. Lincoln himself

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<v Speaker 1>gave the practice his stamp of approval when he said

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<v Speaker 1>that it helped to bind the nation's wounds, to care

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<v Speaker 1>for him who shall have borne the battle, and for

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<v Speaker 1>his widow and his orphan. They saw that this new

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<v Speaker 1>technology readily available to everyone, from foot soldiers to presidents.

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<v Speaker 1>As a balm to ease the ache of broken hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a panacea, a form of care in the

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<v Speaker 1>shape of pickling chemicals, one last act of caring on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of an enbalmer and by extension, a family

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<v Speaker 1>before someone was laid down for good. In the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War, the nation began to rebuild itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Life in the fractured country would never return to how

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<v Speaker 1>it had once been, but a new normal would establish itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Day by day. As the living returned home, the need

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<v Speaker 1>for embalmers and their services began to side. People could

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<v Speaker 1>now die from where they came and be summarily returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground. Not to be dissuaded by a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing they had going on, though, a group of professionals

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<v Speaker 1>mobilized as a collective, staking their claim as the new

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<v Speaker 1>mediators between the living and the dead. America's thriving, booming

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<v Speaker 1>free market had created a place for them, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to claim it. The cottage industries around deaf

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<v Speaker 1>care had cropped up during the war, saw a permanent

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<v Speaker 1>and necessary place for themselves and started creating barriers for entry,

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<v Speaker 1>such as certifications and training programs that turned dying from

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<v Speaker 1>something utterly domestic into a cog in capitalism's machine. Embalming,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems, was here to stay. But the same can't

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<v Speaker 1>be said for our faithful Doctor Holmes. You see, in

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<v Speaker 1>the later years of the nineteenth century, Doctor Holmes would

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<v Speaker 1>be arrested for keeping a body on his property for

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<v Speaker 1>more than two months. He was studying the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>his preservation, not just on this corpse, but on others

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<v Speaker 1>in his sprawling anatomical collection. He was summarily relief based

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<v Speaker 1>on the grounds of no wrongdoings, but it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>think that some may have been unsettled by his experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, he kept an embalmed dog in the front

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<v Speaker 1>window of his shop. At another point, he announced that

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, marble would no longer be necessary to

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<v Speaker 1>create sculptures from, but that he had found the exact

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<v Speaker 1>chemical cocktail that would help turn formerly living human beings

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<v Speaker 1>into marble for display. Today, arterial embalming is commonplace in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world, and there are many misconceptions around it.

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<v Speaker 1>One does not have to be embalmed in order to

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<v Speaker 1>be buried. There are no laws that require it. Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>and Muslim religious traditions also continue to consider embalming taboo.

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<v Speaker 1>Since it pollutes the body's natural state. According to one study,

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<v Speaker 1>there are over eight hundred thousand gallons of formaldehyde running

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<v Speaker 1>through the veins of the dead that are buried in

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<v Speaker 1>the ground each year. The environmental costs alone are high,

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<v Speaker 1>never mind the other mechanisms of the funeral industry complex

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<v Speaker 1>that have people making financial, environmental, and spe spiritual calculations

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<v Speaker 1>for their loved ones final days. Doctor Holmes died on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>January eighth of nineteen hundred. The byline of the newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>called him eccentric, but admitted that his creations were undeniably

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<v Speaker 1>valuable to mankind. His final wish, according to the Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 1>Times Union, was not to be embalmed. I'll be the

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<v Speaker 1>first to admit that death can be a really hard

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<v Speaker 1>thing to talk about, and it's so interesting to think

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<v Speaker 1>that our relationship with it has changed so much over

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<v Speaker 1>the past one hundred and fifty years. It makes me

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot about not just where we come from,

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<v Speaker 1>but where we're going. If you stick around through this

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<v Speaker 1>brief sponsor break, my teammate Robin Minitter will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>a story about one man in his ideas about exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and seeing as this is the final episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Grim and Maal Presents Season three. We thought you'd enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>a sneak peek at season four, so be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>stick around after the epilogue story for an exclusive listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the new trailer ahead of the general public.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to pinpoint exactly when it was that humans

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<v Speaker 2>decided that living forever might be possible. Stories about immortality

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<v Speaker 2>are seen in the foundational myths, legends, and religions across

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<v Speaker 2>the world. We see God speaking of eternal life, legendary

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<v Speaker 2>characters who experienced suspended animation, and we found ourselves in

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<v Speaker 2>the never ending search for the Fountain of Youth. More recently,

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<v Speaker 2>even America's own Ben Franklin believed that if only his

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<v Speaker 2>body could be preserved in ava of wine upon his death,

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<v Speaker 2>he might have a shot at being reanimated in just

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<v Speaker 2>a few more hundred years. In the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one, a young boy in Detroit, Michigan, by the

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<v Speaker 2>name of Robert Ettinger was flipping through his favorite science

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<v Speaker 2>fiction magazine. He came across a story about a scientist

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<v Speaker 2>who engineered a way to preserve his body after he died.

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<v Speaker 2>The scientist decided that upon his death, he'd have his

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<v Speaker 2>body put into a capsule and launched into space. His

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<v Speaker 2>plan was to be plucked from orbit in about forty

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<v Speaker 2>million more years, where his brain would then be transplanted

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<v Speaker 2>into a mechanical body back here on Earth. Robert was

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<v Speaker 2>utterly taken by this idea, and he never forgot it.

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<v Speaker 2>Years later, he came home battered from the Second World

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<v Speaker 2>War and then used his GI bill to earn a

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<v Speaker 2>master's degree in math and physics. He continued to read

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<v Speaker 2>and write the same science fiction stories that he loved

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<v Speaker 2>so much Little Boy, and decided that he might be

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<v Speaker 2>the one to make all of it come to life.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty four, Robert published what he claimed to

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<v Speaker 2>be the first solution to death. His magnum opus, The

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<v Speaker 2>Prospect of Immortality, spoke with conviction about the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>long term preservation and future reanimation. He believed that death

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a single event, but was actually broken up into

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<v Speaker 2>a set of stages that could be paused and reversed

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<v Speaker 2>with the right technology. And it just so happened that

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<v Speaker 2>this tech didn't exist yet, but he wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>the one to find it. What's important to note here

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<v Speaker 2>is that while some wanted to brush Robert off, there

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<v Speaker 2>were so many others who wanted to believe him. They

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<v Speaker 2>were living in the space age, after all, and the

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<v Speaker 2>turn of new technology and how it could change lives

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<v Speaker 2>just seemed limitless. His book sold over one hundred thousand copies,

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<v Speaker 2>and he started appearing on television, the radio, and in magazines.

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<v Speaker 2>Central to his argument was the idea that both metabolism

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<v Speaker 2>and decay could be suspended just as long as the

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<v Speaker 2>body was kept sufficiently chilled. He wanted to essentially press

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<v Speaker 2>pause on what he saw as the liminal space between

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<v Speaker 2>life and death, something of a scientific technology infused deep

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<v Speaker 2>hibernation period for each and every cell. With this in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert cut the ribbon for his cryonics Institute in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six. It was a seven thousand square foot warehouse

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<v Speaker 2>and a very average looking industrial park outside of Detroit,

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<v Speaker 2>and to this day anyone still can become a member.

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<v Speaker 2>Today it costs one two hundred and fifty dollars to join,

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<v Speaker 2>with the additional ask of twenty eight thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>be paid upon a member's death. One way to bank

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<v Speaker 2>this investment would be, as they suggest, to make the

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<v Speaker 2>Institute a beneficiary of a life insurance policy included in

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<v Speaker 2>this price is also another very interesting offering. With a

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<v Speaker 2>network of mortuary relationships, the Cryonics Institute can often deploy

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<v Speaker 2>specially trained death care workers at a moment's notice to

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<v Speaker 2>prepare and transport a body for its deep freeze. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven, Robert's mother was deanimated and put into storage.

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<v Speaker 2>Since then, Robert's first and second wives have also been preserved.

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<v Speaker 2>To do this. First, the blood was drained from their bodies. Next,

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<v Speaker 2>they're pumped full of anti freeze, and for the third

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<v Speaker 2>and last step, they were put into a vat of

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<v Speaker 2>liquid nitrogen, all in the anticipation of what science might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to do for them in just a few

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<v Speaker 2>more hundred years. And not only was Robert not alone

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<v Speaker 2>in his desires and usings, but there were then and

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<v Speaker 2>remain today enough enthusiastic clients who are hoping for the

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<v Speaker 2>second chance at life. As for Robert, he deanimated in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven and was similarly put into the deep fries.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll see him again someday, but I'm just not

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<v Speaker 2>sure I'll be around to do so. Myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim and mild Presents Bedside Manners was executive produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Manke and narrated by Aaron Mankey and Robin Minitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Writing for this season was provided by Robin Miniter, with

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<v Speaker 1>research by Sam Alberty, Taylor, Haggridorn and Robin Minitter. Production

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<v Speaker 1>assistance was provided by Josh Thain, Jesse Funk, Alex Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt Frederick. You can learn more about this show

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<v Speaker 1>the Grim and Mild team and all the other podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>that we make over at Grimandmild dot com, and as always,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for listening. It was the scene that any of

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<v Speaker 1>us could picture today in our mind's eye. Two groups

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<v Speaker 1>of rivals set against each other by grudges big and small,

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<v Speaker 1>with a bit of small town politics thrown in for

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<v Speaker 1>good measure. To call it a ticking time bomb would

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<v Speaker 1>be an understatement. On one side were the Cowboys, a

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<v Speaker 1>band of ranchers turned criminals who had plagued the town

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<v Speaker 1>for years. On the other for lawmen, and their names

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones you'd recognize, Virgil Morgan and Wyatt Earth

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<v Speaker 1>alongside their good friend Doc Holliday. The resulting shootout that

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<v Speaker 1>day in Tombstone, Arizona, known today as the gunfight at

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<v Speaker 1>the Ok Corral only lasted thirty seconds, but the market

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<v Speaker 1>left on the popular imagination has held on for nearly

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty years. Why because Americans have never

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<v Speaker 1>stopped being fascinated with the wild West. This July, Grimm

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<v Speaker 1>and Mile Presents turns its gaze westward. Join us for

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<v Speaker 1>a trek into the unknown, the misunderstood, and the forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>tales of America's westward expansion, from the early explorers and

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<v Speaker 1>the indigenous peoples they encountered, to the gunslingers of legend

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<v Speaker 1>and everything in between. This is your chance to learn

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<v Speaker 1>just how complicated our move into western North America really was,

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<v Speaker 1>and why so many of the assumptions we have about

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<v Speaker 1>it are dead wrong. So pack your sense of adventure

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<v Speaker 1>and childhood love of the unexplored, and get ready to

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<v Speaker 1>make a journey. Grimm and Mild Presents The Wild West

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