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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.

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Speaker 3: Name is Noah. They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, mission

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Speaker 4: controlled decads. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this

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Speaker 4: the stuff they don't want you to know. It is

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Speaker 4: the top of the week, which means it is time

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Speaker 4: for strange news, bodies being found, games being regulated. A

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Speaker 4: shout out perhaps at the end of tonight's show to

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Speaker 4: all the stories we're not going to get to. But

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Speaker 4: first things first, Raps, stay warm folks here amid the

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Speaker 4: winter season in the Northern Hemisphere. But don't stay too warm.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, not too warm. Wait, Ben, before we get

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Speaker 2: into the stories, do you want to tell a personal

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Speaker 2: story a little bit? You sent us a video of

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Speaker 2: something that's been in the news that I was I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to hear the full story about.

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Speaker 4: Oh jeez, well, Matt, yes, it is true. Contacted contacted

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Speaker 4: you off hours. Recently took a domestic flight wherein sitting

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Speaker 4: in an exit row by a window, because planes are

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Speaker 4: amazing and it's super awesome to look outside of a

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Speaker 4: plane while it's in the air, set by an exit window,

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Speaker 4: and saw that the interior of the window, the plastic

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Speaker 4: the plane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I feel like maybe I saw something about

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Speaker 2: that recently happening.

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Speaker 5: Maybe your plane was used in like a fashion photo

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Speaker 5: shooter or something.

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Speaker 4: It was a Boeing seven to one to seven Max

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Speaker 4: flying domestically. Yeah, alerted, the alerted the staff, great staff

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Speaker 4: on the plane and they said, well, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: like the old Yeah, it's like the old joke about

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Speaker 4: complaining to a waiter about a fly in your soup

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Speaker 4: and the waiter says, well, don't tell anyone because they'll

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Speaker 4: want one too. But uh, but made it, made it

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Speaker 4: safe and sound, and it perhaps goes to a larger

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Speaker 4: conversation we'll have in a future episode about aviation, the

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Speaker 4: nature of regulation, the nature of flying the friendly sky.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but I think the day you sent it

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Speaker 2: was the day that that Alaska Airlines flight had literally

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Speaker 2: a hidden door inside the fuselage pop off mid flight.

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Speaker 5: And then.

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Speaker 2: We used to do that, and then the FAA grounded

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Speaker 2: all the Boeing similar aircraft, so it was just like

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Speaker 2: a thing. And I'm really glad you made it through

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Speaker 2: that flight. And we're here today recording to talk about

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Speaker 2: some news that's strange.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you might feel unsafe in the skies, but folks,

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Speaker 4: you can also be unsafe in your own all.

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Speaker 2: Right now, before we get too much of anxiety, this

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Speaker 2: story does have a nice little conclusion with some things

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Speaker 2: that we can protect ourselves with. But it is going

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Speaker 2: to get eerie for a little bit, and it is

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Speaker 2: a tragic story, so prepare yourself. Here we go. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to read the title of this article from

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Speaker 2: NBC News Wyff, written by Janis Simon, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be Simon. Yeah, I am going to read a

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Speaker 2: the headline so you can find it and shout out

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Speaker 2: to you Janis for writing it and to you Wyff.

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Speaker 2: But here we go, and this is going to be

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Speaker 2: a lot of this is verbatim, so it's just kind

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Speaker 2: their Police Department, the Spartanburg Police Department. Police and medics

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Speaker 2: this home on Woodview Avenue there in Spartanburg. The family

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Speaker 3: But no fire or anything, right, no signs of a fire.

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Speaker 2: The Spartanburg fire department was called the check for because

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Speaker 2: what would you think maybe happen if there's no fire,

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Speaker 4: Exactly something?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so no signs of foul play, as you.

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Speaker 2: Said, exactly, so fire department comes in checks for carbon

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Speaker 2: the temperature, the body temperature of the deceased, and they

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Speaker 2: be read by these devices. Both victims were above that threshold.

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Speaker 2: So basically the thermometer went two one oh six and

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Speaker 4: Is not good, no, especially if you're older. I mean

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Speaker 2: And if the thermometer isn't reading even to the actual temperature,

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Speaker 2: it is likely that they were. That's probably how they died,

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Speaker 2: probably right, but you can't see that for sure.

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Speaker 5: Make sure you think of that cartoon scenario where the

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Speaker 5: thermometer gets so hot that it pops, you know, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So listen to this. By the way, this is in

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Speaker 2: that's the exterior temperature. The fire department who measured the

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Speaker 4: So i'd be like a little longer fifty celsius.

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Speaker 2: Correct, yes, something, just using fahrenheit for the folks in

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Speaker 2: seventy five, like seventy four or seventy five, pretty good regulation.

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Speaker 3: That's toasty.

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Speaker 5: I mean for it to even maintain at that level,

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Speaker 3: Well, that's in the weather.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's more of a when it's hot outside

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Speaker 5: Exactly seventy when it's cold outside is making your stuff

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Speaker 2: So for that home to be one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: This reading was also taken after If you imagine first

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Speaker 4: Oh and just for comparison, not to be ghoulish, we

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Speaker 4: it's still one hundred and twenty degrees fahrenheit.

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Speaker 5: Yes, after minutes, twenty minutes I mean, and with it

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Speaker 5: being quite cold outside, so I mean that transfer of

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Speaker 5: is I use the word remarkable.

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Speaker 3: This is nothing but tragic.

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Speaker 5: But you know, scientifically speaking, thermodynamically speaking, this is a

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Speaker 5: very very fascinating situation.

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Speaker 3: I agreed.

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Speaker 2: So let's say you're in the mind of those first responders.

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Speaker 2: There's no fire in the home, the temperature is that high,

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Speaker 2: What the heck's going on?

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Speaker 3: What do you check?

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Speaker 4: Check? The you check the heater or the heating elements there,

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Speaker 2: That's it. The radiators, the air, furnace, the boilers, whatever

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Speaker 5: They we're smelling gas, right, so the natural gas. So

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Speaker 5: they the assumption there is that this is a gas

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Speaker 2: Yes, they were smelling gas, but again no carbon monoxide

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Speaker 2: That's probably coming out from some whoever serves their natural

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Speaker 5: That haze that can happen, just some heat, like in

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Speaker 5: the desert, you know, where you start to see things

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Speaker 5: looking a little little dreamy, you know, Yeah, I bet

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Speaker 5: that's exactly what it.

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Speaker 4: Was, dissipating from pavement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's you know what, that makes so much sense, guys,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what they're describing. But they so they noticed that,

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Speaker 2: oh it wasn't actually on fire, so they were able

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Speaker 2: to get over to it close enough to turn the

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Speaker 2: thing off. They measured the surface temperature of that air controller,

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Speaker 2: the heater itself, and it was over one thousand degrees fahrenheit,

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Speaker 2: which would.

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Speaker 4: Be five hundred and thirty seven something degree celsius. Thank you, Ben, Yes, real, jeez.

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Speaker 2: But just to have that amount of heat somewhere in

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Speaker 2: whatever other materials are in your home that likely could

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Speaker 2: catch fire, it's a wonder that nothing did right.

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Speaker 4: That it is that part is indeed is indeed remarkable,

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Speaker 4: and we could imagine that had had these first responders

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Speaker 5: Well right, big takeaway for me is that don't fiddle

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that is one of the major takeaways, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't have much more to say other than do like, theoretically,

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Speaker 5: News, and we've returned with more strange news. This one

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Speaker 3: And while certain console type games.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what is. I've played so many games that

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Speaker 4: have to clarify here because I think it's a confusion

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Speaker 4: that happens in the West.

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Speaker 3: Now.

439
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Speaker 4: The the what we're talking about at the setup here

440
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Speaker 4: is the social credit system. That's what China is calling

441
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 4: it now. Originally we in the West were calling it

442
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 4: the sesame credit system. However, this is very clever sesame credit.

443
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 4: There is a thing now that is unrelated which is

444
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Speaker 4: gonna mess up your search terms when you're looking for

445
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: the real problem, which is again social credit system or

446
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: like it's something like schehay signong t shie or something.

447
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: But just so everybody knows, that's why it's hard to

448
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: learn more about this by sure, well.

449
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Speaker 5: You know, and for me, I play a lot of

450
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Speaker 5: not a lot, but I have a handful of phone

451
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Speaker 5: apps that I really enjoy playing. I actually am a

452
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Speaker 5: subscriber to the Apple Arcade an ecosystem or whatever, and

453
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 5: the most of the games that they feature on that

454
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 5: are of really high quality and they don't really That's

455
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 5: one thing that you get when you pay for a

456
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 5: subscription like that is you're not bugged with in app purchases.

457
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: That's part of it.

458
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 5: You're paying a little bit upfront so you don't have to,

459
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: you know, get bled over the course of you know,

460
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Speaker 5: your your lifetime with the game. And one of the

461
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 5: games that I play on that is called card Jockey.

462
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: It's like a solitaire meets horse racing game, which is

463
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 5: kind of weird, weird combo, but I really enjoy playing it.

464
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Speaker 5: But that is actually the first time that I've noticed

465
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Speaker 5: a daily reward thing.

466
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Speaker 3: It will be some little like.

467
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Speaker 5: A carrot, you know, for your horse that gives you

468
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Speaker 5: a boost at the beginning of the race, or you know,

469
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Speaker 5: a certain type of crop, you know, for hitting your

470
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Speaker 5: horse on the butt to make a gallop faster.

471
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Speaker 3: But what they have.

472
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Speaker 5: Done is they have Yeah, this isn't hasn't been rolled

473
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 5: out yet, but the proposed legislation would limit those things.

474
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Speaker 5: I think it would actually prohibit those types of instead

475
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: to based rewards. So that's one another thing that that

476
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 5: is being proposed is to prohibit topping off of account balances.

477
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 5: So a lot of times within these game gaming ecosystems,

478
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: like you know with with Fortnite, there's a name that

479
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 5: for this currency you can literally buy v bucks. Now,

480
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: v bucks is roadblock, right, I think you're asolutely right,

481
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: hundred percent. There's roebucks in roadblocks, which as we know,

482
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 5: is very targeted at younger people, fortnite seems a little

483
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 5: less so it seems a little more widely adopted. But

484
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Speaker 5: I know a lot of young people that really enjoy

485
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: it as well. But this part of the of the

486
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: bundle of legislation regulations would prohibit or it would limit

487
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: to how frequently users can top off their account of

488
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: virtual money that you have to you know, pay actual money.

489
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 5: And the thing that's interesting is, you know, we know

490
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Speaker 5: how long it took for all line gambling in the

491
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Speaker 5: United States, like, you know, to be more or less legal.

492
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken. You can play online poker now

493
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 5: in the United States for real money, but.

494
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Speaker 3: Back in the day you couldn't.

495
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Speaker 5: And I know, I knew, I knew a lot of people,

496
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 5: not a lot of people, but a handful of people

497
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: that were professional gamblers, and they would move around depending

498
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 5: on what the law was in that particular country, so

499
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: that they could constantly play online without having.

500
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Speaker 3: To go to actual casinos.

501
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: So some of these things feel very similar to the

502
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 5: kinds of incentives that you get when you're making bets

503
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Speaker 5: in online gambling apps or whatever.

504
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Speaker 2: But in the top off scenario, you're talking about just

505
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: how much you can actually like the upper threshold how

506
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: much that wallet will hold, right, it must it must.

507
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Speaker 3: Be something along those lines.

508
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: It may not be that, though to me it seems

509
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: more like it's less about the upper level and about

510
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Speaker 5: how frequently you can add money.

511
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I see, And that kind.

512
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 5: Of makes such an important distin because if the if,

513
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: the if, the amount, the maximum was whatever it was,

514
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 5: and you deplete that because you can't control yourself, you know,

515
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: in the span of a couple of days, it would

516
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: probably behoove the user to not be able to add

517
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: any more money for a period of time.

518
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Speaker 2: Especially if there's a miner involved. Right. A lot of

519
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: these appear to be aimed at at younger users.

520
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 5: It does feel like that, and that is what the

521
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 5: the government is saying that a lot of this is

522
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: definitely targeting miners, for example, another part of this legislation

523
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 5: or actually this may have been an older one, it

524
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 5: may already be in place. But you know how on

525
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 5: a lot of streaming apps you can like tip people, uh,

526
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 5: you know, Twitch for example or whatever. There's you know,

527
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: all kinds of cam type apps that don't necessarily have

528
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: to be what your mind immediately goes to, like in

529
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: terms of like OnlyFans or you know, more adult content.

530
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, you can tip streamers of any variety, and

531
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Speaker 5: you know, to have minors be able to do that

532
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: could potentially be problematic.

533
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean think about, for a certain demographic of

534
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Speaker 4: our listeners this evening, the days of landline phones where

535
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Speaker 4: people would call a nine hundred number right and get

536
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: charged X amount per minute. That shares some of the

537
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: same I think connotations you're mentioning here in all the

538
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: idea that there were, you know, dirty talk nine hundred numbers.

539
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: But I have it on good authority without over explaining,

540
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: I have it on good authority that a couple of

541
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: those nine hundred numbers were just joke lines, and kids

542
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: would call in to hear someone telling them jokes on

543
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 4: a landline phone, and for the kids it doesn't matter,

544
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: and the parents won't know until they get the phone bill.

545
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: So like with playing with playing games on a mobile device,

546
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: if you are a minor, then odds are your your allowance,

547
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, your your financial interaction

548
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: with that mobile game is going to be linked to

549
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: your guardians' finances, which is a nasty bill to get

550
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: when you're like, what on earth has happened.

551
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 5: You spent nine hundred dollars on room service.

552
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but now it's like nine thousand dollars for

553
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: a loop crate.

554
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 5: On whatever it might have, right, widgets or what have you.

555
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 5: That's really that's a really good point. And you mentioned

556
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 5: the nine hundred numbers too, and like, I don't know

557
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: about you, but knowing that, yeah, I know, I didn't

558
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: have a credit card or access to anything like that

559
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: from my parents when I was a kid.

560
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: Things are different now. Kids have their own Venmo accounts

561
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: that are.

562
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: You know, able to be replenished by their parents, but

563
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: they don't have a direct access to the credit card.

564
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 5: Or some kids get their own credit card. It depends on,

565
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: you know, the parenting play. But like I would have

566
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: been way too terrified as a kid to snag my

567
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: parents credit card and try out one of those nine

568
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: hundred numbers. But I definitely called the number because you

569
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: get a bit of a risk, a little little outgoing message,

570
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 5: and that was enough for me.

571
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: See how far you can get before you have to pay?

572
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done it.

573
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: Did similar things like that as well. When telephones became

574
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: a technology like the there's also this idea I don't know,

575
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: I'm tempted here, Noel, to say that this is arguably

576
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: this is a good thing because this does protect minors.

577
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: The one thing you mentioned that may cast it may

578
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: cause some of us to cast a glance a skance,

579
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: is the idea of removing tipping for streamers, because we

580
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: know that streamer platforms low key were away or a

581
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: platform for many subversive groups domestically to communicate.

582
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: That the weirdless satanic murder cult that we did that

583
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: we talked the order of nine angles.

584
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm talking like in domestic that was definitely.

585
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: One that used that ecosystem as well.

586
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: Sure you know, I'm just saying, like there's some Twitch

587
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: streamers like here's the truth about wigers, or here's the

588
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: truth about Tianaman or whatever.

589
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying.

590
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: It's a potentially a governmental way of shutting down that

591
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: kind of uh, you know talk, or that kind of potentially.

592
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't speak in truth to power.

593
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: They're already so closely surveilled, right, so maybe that's maybe

594
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 4: that's a bridge too far or a tank too far

595
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: in the square. But the the idea about protecting minors, though,

596
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: that does seem like a good idea.

597
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: Right, All of these sound fine to me. There was

598
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 5: another thing that involved pop ups kind of red flagging

599
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 5: what's being referred to as irrational behavior. You know, like again,

600
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: we all hung out and had a good time in Vegas. Right,

601
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 5: None of those machines red flag irrational behavior.

602
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: They just spur you on. You know, they're literally goading you.

603
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: With these these half micro victories in the hopes that

604
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 5: it will you know, weaponize your psychology against you. And

605
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: you know, we went into that situation fully aware of

606
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: the things at play, and still we had a good time.

607
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 5: I mean, it was fun. That was worth the price

608
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: of admission. But yeah, we know there were definitely times

609
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: where when the alcohol was flowing such we probably pushed

610
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 5: it a little farther than we would have otherwise. And

611
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: but of course, you know, to gamble and to be

612
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 5: in a situation like a casino, you do have to be,

613
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 5: you know, of age.

614
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: Of legal age.

615
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Speaker 5: One last thing I wanted to mention was that those

616
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 5: companies that I that I that I named the top

617
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 5: of the show, ten cent and net Ease, this is

618
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: not good for them or their bottom lines. Any of

619
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: these types of regulations are bad. The the already pre existing,

620
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: you know, regulations regarding game time for underage users already

621
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 5: not great for them, and I believe when those were

622
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 5: rolled through, and please any listeners correct me if I'm wrong.

623
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 5: Maybe those haven't been pushed through yet, but I believe

624
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: they have. At the very least, the number of hours

625
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 5: that miners are allowed to spend on these games is monitored,

626
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 5: which is in keeping with the whole monitoring of the

627
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 5: Internet at large that happens even for you know, adults

628
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: in China. But ten Cent and and net Ease both

629
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: took massive hits to their stock price when these new

630
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: regulations were just announced as being up for comments. The

631
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: Reuters reported at nearly eighty billion dollars evaluation from these

632
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 5: two companies collectively were wiped out, it says briefly, So

633
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 5: I think there was some backlash. And obviously I don't

634
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: know what the Chinese equivalent of lobbying like we have

635
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: over here is, but I would imagine there's something in

636
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 5: terms of how these giant corporations interact with the governments.

637
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: You know, they can't be totally at odds with one another,

638
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: but maybe they are. I don't know, Ben, is there

639
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 5: anything there like how do giant corporations in China interact

640
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 5: with the government in the hopes that they can influence

641
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 5: regulation or is that just not a thing over there.

642
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: In the way that it is over here.

643
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: Well, there's no campaign necessarily to be funded, right, it's

644
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: a little different.

645
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, if you're a very successful

646
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: Chinese company, then you are inherently going to be controlled

647
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: in some way by the Chinese government or the party.

648
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: So the best way to succeed in the government or

649
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: in the nation of China is to have a member

650
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: of the party on your board, which definitely happens. I

651
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: got to point out too, man, the idea, folks, tell

652
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: me if this is off base, the idea that their

653
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 4: stock went down with the potential loss of billions of dollars,

654
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: Is that not kind of like losing billions of dollars

655
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Speaker 4: worth of child labor? If these things are really meant

656
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Speaker 4: to prey on children, pray on minors like those, get

657
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Speaker 4: those kids back in the mobile game, minds, is what

658
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Speaker 4: ten cent investors are saying.

659
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Speaker 3: It's a good question.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you know, you the heads of

661
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Speaker 5: those companies might argue that the children are their audience,

662
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Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily, but they are feeding money into

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Speaker 5: the system.

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Speaker 4: I've had I've been asked whether there were games on

665
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Speaker 4: my phone, et cetera. There's a reason that's a meme.

666
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Speaker 4: And if you've seen children who are playing games, like

667
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Speaker 4: I think we can all attest kids will treat that

668
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Speaker 4: like a job, you know what I mean, Like I've

669
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: got to get done with this school mallarchy so I

670
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Speaker 4: can get back to my real thing, which is insert

671
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Speaker 4: game here.

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Speaker 5: It is funny, though, because initiatives like this, due to me,

673
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 5: sort of signal that in some way, the Chinese government

674
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Speaker 5: cares a little bit more about the let's just call

675
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Speaker 5: it intellect or the quality of mind of their citizens

676
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 5: more so than we do over here, because we don't

677
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Speaker 5: have regulations like this. The closest thing we have is

678
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 5: like movie ratings and like things like that. But you know,

679
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 5: no one over here is trying to in ratings for games,

680
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: but no one over here is trying to monitor how

681
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 5: how much time your kid spends on the computer. That's

682
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Speaker 5: what parents are for, and if they do a good

683
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Speaker 5: job at it, then that's great. But this to me

684
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Speaker 5: and it is sort of a nanny state kind of mentality.

685
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Speaker 3: So I get that. I'm not saying this is good.

686
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying it seems to me like this is

687
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 5: the Chinese government saying we care. We want our citizenry

688
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: to be smarter and don't not have their brains rotted

689
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: by this stuff. But that's interesting because a paper was

690
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: actually published in August of twenty twenty three in Nature

691
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: Human Behavior that found that there was really no evidence

692
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Speaker 5: that any of these regulations had.

693
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Speaker 3: Any impact at all on people's behavior.

694
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Speaker 5: The researchers partnered with an organization called Unity to examine

695
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Speaker 5: the more than seven billion hours of gaming time screen

696
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 5: time among around two point four billion Chinese game gamers,

697
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Speaker 5: and they ran it from mid August to twenty nineteen

698
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Speaker 5: to mid January of twenty twenty. That also included a

699
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Speaker 5: partial measurement of the period when an hour and a

700
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Speaker 5: half daily playtime limit was imposed.

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Speaker 3: Or three hours on holidays.

702
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Speaker 5: So the results do indicate that this maybe has negligible

703
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Speaker 5: returns on the said intellect of citizenry.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would just say okay, just quickly personally, guys,

705
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Speaker 2: after we talked about this last I set a limit

706
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Speaker 2: on my son's PlayStation account that when he and I

707
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Speaker 2: play games together I set it for an hour and

708
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Speaker 2: a half, so like in a twenty four hour period,

709
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: he can only play for an hour and a half.

710
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Speaker 2: And I would say, just from my experience, it has

711
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: had a good effect on how much he almost wants

712
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Speaker 2: to regulate. He knows he has to regulate his time now,

713
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Speaker 2: and so he's totally okay with doing other activities that

714
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Speaker 2: are not related with the television. So I do feel

715
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Speaker 2: like this could be a great thing.

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Speaker 5: I'm with you. I just wonder, you know how now

717
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 5: you know we're different, We're different country, there's different behaviors.

718
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Speaker 5: I think there might be slightly higher instances of like

719
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Speaker 5: mega obsessive gaming.

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Speaker 3: And I think maybe.

721
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Speaker 5: The result of the that the study was measuring was

722
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Speaker 5: really just showing that there were ways around it or something,

723
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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like that not necessarily that

724
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 5: it wasn't helping because people were following it. It was

725
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 5: not helping because people were finding loopholes or something. I

726
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 5: think because I'm with you and with my kid, they

727
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 5: have come to a place where they want to self

728
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 5: regulate because they know it makes them enjoy life better.

729
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 5: And they actually are but sure enough to realize that

730
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Speaker 5: obsessive internet use and obsessive gaming is actually a negative

731
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Speaker 5: and it can make you just not have a great

732
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Speaker 5: quality of life and can lead to anxiety and you know,

733
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Speaker 5: social withdrawal and things like that. So I think you're

734
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: right on the money because what you've done with your

735
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 5: son has gotten him to a place where he sees

736
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Speaker 5: the value in limiting himself.

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Speaker 2: Right theoretically, yeah, I would like to think so.

738
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but i'd like to think so.

739
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Speaker 5: Anyway, that's really it something to keep an eye on,

740
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Speaker 5: for sure. The comment period on this bundle of regulation

741
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Speaker 5: is not until January the twenty second.

742
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Speaker 3: As we record this this we're.

743
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Speaker 5: Sitting on January the tenth, so I know there's already

744
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Speaker 5: been massive backlash and a lot of of the companies,

745
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: of course, are responsible for that. But anyway, let's take

746
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 5: a quick break and we'll be back with another piece

747
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 5: of strange news.

748
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Speaker 4: And we have returned warning folks there's deep water ahead.

749
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 4: This may not be appropriate for all audiences. What I'd

750
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: like to do to begin the final act of our

751
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: Strange News segment is to give praise and credit where

752
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: it is due. Super Important Mission Critical NBC News has

753
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 4: a continuing investigation called Lost Rights r Ites and through

754
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: this investigation, Part four of this investigation learned an incredibly

755
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: disturbing story. Recently, two hundred and fifty bodies were found

756
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: buried in a poppers field in Hinds County, Mississippi. They

757
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: are along a dirt road on the grounds of what

758
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 4: is called a jail work farm. Shout out to our

759
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Speaker 4: journalist here, John Shoop. You can read this part four

760
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: of Lost Rights, but I highly recommend reading the whole

761
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: thing in full. It's disturbing. It is stuff they don't

762
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: want you to know. If you go down this dirt road,

763
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: what you will see is when they say a graveyard,

764
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: what you're actually going to see is just a bunch

765
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Speaker 4: of metal rods, no names, just number stamped on the rods.

766
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Speaker 4: And every few months, for the better part of a decade,

767
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Speaker 4: inmates on the grounds have been digging new graves, adding

768
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Speaker 4: new bodies to the already hundreds of people there. And

769
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Speaker 4: the problem is that the families of these people who

770
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Speaker 4: passed away from any number of means the families were

771
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Speaker 4: never alerted. These are not prisoners being buried, These are

772
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Speaker 4: not people incarcerated in any way. These are people who

773
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Speaker 4: fell through the cracks of America's increasingly fragmented social system.

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Speaker 4: And so imagine, then, if you will, that you have

775
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Speaker 4: put in a missing person's report for a member of

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Speaker 4: your family, a child, a sibling, a parent, a loved one,

777
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Speaker 4: and you have not heard about this for years, and

778
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: then you learn that also for years, they have been

779
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Speaker 4: buried anonymously in Hinz County, Mississippi. That's what's happening. That's

780
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Speaker 4: reminding me of our pal Jason Flam's work over at

781
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 4: Lava for Good. NBC News found several cases in which

782
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 4: these folks were dead and buried in this field, even

783
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Speaker 4: though the family have put the word out to every

784
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Speaker 4: possible government agency saying, hey, we're trying to find out

785
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Speaker 4: what happened to this to our Jane or John Doe,

786
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Speaker 4: And it turns out Mississippi just didn't check. And every

787
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 4: time these families are contacted, they're saying, look, if we

788
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: had known what had happened, we would have claimed the remains,

789
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: we would have given our loved ones a proper funeral.

790
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 4: But now how can we trust the government? Right? We

791
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: did everything correctly, why did we have such an egregious

792
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 4: misstep of justice? And before we continue with that lay

793
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: of the grizzly ghoulish land here, I have to ask,

794
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Speaker 4: did you guys hear about this story, like I think

795
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: it really started coming to the forefront in early January.

796
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Speaker 3: I had not.

797
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Speaker 5: But even just the part where you're describing the rods

798
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: with numbers stamped on them, that's some dystopian sounding stuff

799
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 5: right there, let alone the part that the story is

800
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Speaker 5: reporting on the ones that fell through the cracks.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know the personal stories that you're mentioning here

802
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: in this series, Ben, Who did you say.

803
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Speaker 4: That writer was the writer for this one? Is John Shoop?

804
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just found like I went through some of

805
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: the links you shared and then found that first story

806
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: on it, and just to read an entire article on

807
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: one person who lost their son this way, it's just devastating.

808
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: I didn't know the details, man, this is this is horrifying.

809
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Speaker 4: Apparently, if you like Blagger point out that story this

810
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 4: is a human thing. We have to remember these are

811
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: actual human beings, not just numbers stamped on metal rods.

812
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 4: Apparently people have been trying to get records from the

813
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 4: county coroner for different burials within the county, but those

814
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: records don't exist or they were lost prior to twenty sixteen,

815
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: which is super recent and should really bother you, even

816
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 4: if you don't live in Mississippi. The number of families

817
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Speaker 4: that are going to find their left one's remains due

818
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Speaker 4: to this investigation will only increase. Again, it's two hundred

819
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Speaker 4: and fifteen bodies, not all of which have been identified.

820
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Speaker 4: And it brought me back to another thing that we

821
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Speaker 4: haven't We haven't talked about too often here, but I

822
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Speaker 4: know we've touched on it in previous episodes, the idea

823
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Speaker 4: of the pauper's grave. Right, So, how would we describe

824
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 4: the Popper's graveyard for any one not in the US

825
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 4: or otherwise I'm familiar.

826
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll just tell you what I'm looking at in

827
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: these the series of articles. I see a field that

828
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: you would see in really any any American state that

829
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: has I don't know, what would you say, pine trees, right,

830
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: and then openings, Yeah, suburban esque.

831
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Speaker 5: Yeah. They sometimes call a potter's field, like I believe

832
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 5: that's another term associated with these Poppers burial sites.

833
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: In this case, I think at least the one in

834
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: the story I'm looking at right now is attached to

835
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: what they call a penal colony. So at exactly a

836
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: prison system that is a farm also, and it's it

837
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: looks to be the same materials that they would use

838
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: for a street sign, like a piece of metal.

839
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Speaker 5: That's just the bar not quite I know what you

840
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: mean with the rivets the holes.

841
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: In exactly, Yeah, just hammered into the ground with what

842
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: looks to be a piece of cardboard attached to it

843
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: and like painted like just handwritten, handwritten numbers painted on

844
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Speaker 2: that piece of cardboard.

845
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Speaker 4: And the issues here are myriad. Indeed, you know, the

846
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: the idea that one could not find records from before

847
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Again, I just keep going back to how

848
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: disturbing that is. Now quickly history can be erased. The

849
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Speaker 4: NBC News investigation says, look, we have a list of

850
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: we have a list of missing people, and we have

851
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: in that list we have some confirmed identities, we have

852
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Speaker 4: some missing or unconfirmed identities. We're having problems like investigating

853
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 4: in good faith with the local government. We know that

854
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Speaker 4: we have had to remove some people from this list.

855
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Speaker 4: One person they shout out is Dexter Wade. Dexter Wade

856
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: is removed from this poppers field and given a proper funeral,

857
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 4: and it's due to the reporting of NBC News, which

858
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 4: again goes back to the fact that journalism is important.

859
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's just talk about Dexter for a moment. He

860
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Speaker 2: is the subject of that first story and just quickly

861
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Speaker 2: he left his house on March fifth. An hour after

862
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Speaker 2: he left his house on foot, he gets hit by

863
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Speaker 2: a police vehicle.

864
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's thirty seven years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets hit by a police officer and

866
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Speaker 2: is killed on a highway. So, like, imagine a person

867
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Speaker 2: crossing a highway and gets struck by a police vehicle.

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Speaker 2: First of all, obviously, don't cross the highway on foot.

869
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Speaker 2: Just not a smart thing to do. But if you

870
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Speaker 2: get hit by a police vehicle, you'd think somebody would

871
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Speaker 2: get notified immediately. But that is not what happened.

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Speaker 3: No, it is not.

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Speaker 4: And let's go to Let's go to another article by

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Speaker 4: John Shoup, this one from November thirteenth of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: He talks about the arrangements that the Wade family had

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Speaker 4: to go through to find your son. And first off, yes,

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Speaker 4: we are very well aware of folks that there is

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Speaker 4: truth to the stereotype about corruption in small towns. By

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Speaker 4: the way, send us your stories of small town corruption

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Speaker 4: Conspiracydiheartradio dot Com To your point, Matt, one thing that

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Speaker 4: is just stunning in the worst way is the idea

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Speaker 4: that you could be hit by a police car no

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Speaker 4: one knows except the guy who hits you or the

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Speaker 4: officer who hits you, and the people who agree to

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Speaker 4: cover it up, literally in this case, to cover up

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Speaker 4: the body this article. This article is titled Dexter Wade's

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Speaker 4: Family a final indignity as he's exhumed without ceremony. Dexter's mother,

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Speaker 4: Betterson Wade, arrives at the Penal farm at the work farm,

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Speaker 4: and when she gets there, after finally learning what happened

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Speaker 4: to her child, she also learns that her son's remains

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Speaker 4: have been dug up or exhumed, put in a body bag,

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Speaker 4: and then tossed in the back of a Chevy suburban

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Speaker 4: because a public work screw had turned up earlier that

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Speaker 4: morning and removed the remains before anyone else arrived to her.

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Speaker 4: It's yet another iteration of her being continually cut out

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Speaker 4: of the process.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Just the fact that he got struck and killed

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Speaker 2: on March fifth, He got identified by the police department

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Speaker 2: by the medical examiner on March ninth, that information was

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Speaker 2: sent to the police department. Nobody was notified. Then on

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Speaker 2: March fourteenth, nine days after her son is killed, the

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Speaker 2: mother calls the police to report him missing. And she

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Speaker 2: still like that, So it is so horrifying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what the Heines County corner. By the way, again,

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Speaker 4: this microcosmic aspect of this is important because this is

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Speaker 4: a similar story to the other two hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 4: people that are gone. Right, this story is one example

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Speaker 4: of what has happened to hundreds of people, and we

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Speaker 4: can only then rightly assume by the way that this

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Speaker 4: has occurred or something similar has occurred in numerous small

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Speaker 4: towns throughout the United States. Look, when like you're saying,

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Speaker 4: when the Wade family learns what happens to their son,

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Speaker 4: they interact with the Heines County Coroner's office, who say, look,

914
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Speaker 4: your son's body was unclaimed for months. We didn't know

915
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Speaker 4: about it, and so since he was unclaimed, we just

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Speaker 4: buried him where we put any other body that falls

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Speaker 4: through the cracks, which again is macabre and in my opinion, unclean.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna ask, I mean, that is sort

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Speaker 5: of standard procedure and is considered quote unquote like above

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Speaker 5: board to do like you know, you you you try

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Speaker 5: to reach out to next of ken, the prison organization

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Speaker 5: or officials or whatever, and if you don't hear anything back,

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Speaker 5: then there there still is this sort of accepted understanding

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Speaker 5: that they will be buried in not.

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Speaker 3: A mass crave.

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Speaker 5: That's that's something else, but in this popper's grave situation.

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Speaker 5: But this particular case just involves more egregious examples of

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Speaker 5: them not even trying to reach out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's about the size of it. So the mayor

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Speaker 4: of Jackson, Mississippi, chuckway On Tar Lumumba, has publicly stated, look,

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Speaker 4: there's no malicious intent here. This is a series of

932
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Speaker 4: incredibly tragic miscommunications. And the problem is that doesn't bring

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Speaker 4: back the dexter weights, right, that doesn't bring back the

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Speaker 4: people who were affected by this. We also want to

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Speaker 4: shout out another piece, this one by John Shoop with

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Speaker 4: Mike Hicks and Baugh, about Jonathan David Hankins, who left

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Speaker 4: home in May of twenty twenty two. Authorities found him

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Speaker 4: dead a few days later, also did not contact his mother.

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Speaker 4: She had to search for him for months, and it

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Speaker 4: was not until NBC did this investigation that she discovered

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Speaker 4: where he was buried. This feels, yeah, this feels like

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Speaker 4: this feels like it's bigger than Heinz County. I'm wondering

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Speaker 4: how many more cases of this are out there. Have

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Speaker 4: you guys ever been to a poppers field? Have you

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Speaker 4: seen a Potter's yard or anything like that?

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Speaker 3: I have not known.

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Speaker 4: They're more out there than I think any of us

948
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Speaker 4: would like to contemplate. And it's incredibly frightening thing. But

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Speaker 4: it's like it also, at least here it has somewhat

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Speaker 4: of a I don't even want to call a silver

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Speaker 4: lining of closure, because thank you entirely to the journalist

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Speaker 4: who figured this out. If they had not been digging in,

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether this would like, whether this would

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Speaker 4: have triggered some I don't know what would have happened.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and so we oh, shoot a huge

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Speaker 4: thank you. I mean, do you guys think the authorities

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Speaker 4: would have at some point said, hey, we gotta we

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Speaker 4: got to make things right in our Popper's grave.

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Speaker 5: It kind of feels like the kind of thing where

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Speaker 5: they would be more likely to just leave well enough

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Speaker 5: alone because of the nature of you know, poverty and

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Speaker 5: the fact that it would be few and far between

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Speaker 5: the cases where someone would come looking for these folks.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's awful. I'm just saying that would likely,

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Speaker 5: in my mind, be the thinking there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem is the problem is multipolar, right, we're

967
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Speaker 4: talking about when the system fails, and it doesn't necessarily

968
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Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean there is conspiracy afoot, but it

969
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: does mean that people and institutions may well commit conspiracies

970
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Speaker 4: as a way as in an attempt to cover up

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Speaker 4: their previous actions. That's how these things happen. That's how

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Speaker 4: this stuff occurs, and that's why this is a call

973
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Speaker 4: out to all of our fellow conspiracy realists. We want

974
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Speaker 4: to hear your stories of small town corruption. Please please,

975
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 4: please do right to us. This stuff is important and

976
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Speaker 4: the best we can say is that we're holding the

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Speaker 4: survivors of these folks in our thoughts. The wheels of

978
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: justice grind exceedingly slow, but exceedingly fine, and there is

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Speaker 4: closure at the end, which I do think. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's something we didn't want to end on a super

981
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 4: downer note. So here are stories we didn't get to

982
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 4: just figure they could get a quick mention. Violence is

983
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: rocking Ecuador TV station got overrun. I think we all

984
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 4: saw that.

985
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Speaker 2: Everybody got arrested.

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Speaker 4: Everybody got arrested, even the police. Kidding some Ecuadorian police

987
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Speaker 4: should be arrested, though that's pretty clear at this point.

988
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Speaker 4: There there was did you guys see this one, the

989
00:58:50,440 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 4: the synagogue brawl? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was a tunnel

990
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: dug in a New York City synagogue that led to

991
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: a brawl between police and members of the community who

992
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Speaker 4: go to that synagogue. The reason I'm bringing this up

993
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: is because a lot of crazy anti Semitic misinformation went

994
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: out about this, because this is acidic Jewish community, right,

995
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: and please be cautious with the stuff you read about that.

996
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: Because our old friends at Davos looked at all the

997
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: short term threats of this our current world, and they said,

998
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 4: you know, the number one threat is AI driven misinformation.

999
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: That's what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I disagree Davos. You know what the number one threat is, Guys,

1001
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: what's that huge eight foot shadow beings that are teleporting

1002
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: all around them all in Miami.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that in the next time

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Speaker 3: Classic Miami.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, that's the and listener somebody and then just you know,

1006
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Speaker 5: Paul Politics aside, Rudy Giuliani is broke and is likely

1007
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 5: going to be spending the rest of his life fighting

1008
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 5: off people trying to get their uh, their money from him.

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Speaker 5: He apparently lost out in a defamation suit filed by

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Speaker 5: two of the pole workers here in Atlanta actually, who

1011
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 5: he out outwardly defamed and led to them receiving death threats,

1012
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 5: and they are going to get quite a lot of

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01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 5: money from him. And he is apparently on the verge

1014
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 5: of bankruptcy. But you can't file bankruptcy to get out

1015
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Speaker 5: of paying out damages for these types of case.

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Speaker 4: You're going to say, student loans.

1017
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's that he's still paying those off too.

1018
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Speaker 5: But again, not a political statement, just I think, however

1019
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: you fall on the divide there, you could probably agree

1020
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Speaker 5: that this dude was not the best.

1021
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: And shout out to every fellow conspiracy realist right now

1022
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Speaker 4: who is a was a high homie. I've got your back.

1023
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Speaker 4: Please remember studies recently showing that microplastics are in literally

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Speaker 4: every instance of bottled water sip sip dupe. Indeed, shout

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Speaker 4: out to the nostalgia we're already experiencing about twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It's so hot right now. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 4: it is the hottest year on record since humans started

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Speaker 4: measuring temperatures.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting so hot, I'm gonna take my clothes off.

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Speaker 2: Bay Worp your shirt around. What is the I don't

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Speaker 2: know the song? Well, Native, that's a.

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Speaker 4: Different Well, shout out to Nelly, shout out hairbacks and forth,

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Speaker 4: and shout out to Nelly. Shout out to the US President.

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Speaker 4: Both fans of Air Force one. That's strange news, folks.

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Speaker 4: We can't wait to hear again. I'm very serious about

1036
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 4: this small town corruption. It happens so often. Sending our

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Speaker 4: thoughts to the survivors of the people buried in Hinz County, Mississippi.

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Speaker 4: We cannot wait to hear from you. We try to

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Speaker 3: We try and hopefully succeed.

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Speaker 5: You can find some to the handle Conspiracy Stuff where

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Speaker 5: we exist on Facebook, x FKA, Twitter and YouTube. We

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's do an experiment. If you are listening to

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Speaker 2: this and you have Instagram, go to our feed Conspiracy

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Speaker 2: Stuff Show and put a comment on the Mandela Effect

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Speaker 2: reel that we put out.

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Speaker 3: I'm really proud of that one, guys, so cool.

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Speaker 5: A big shout out to Station sixteen and the folks

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Speaker 3: It's such a cool edit.

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Speaker 4: I'm just so glad. I'm so glad you guys like that.

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Speaker 4: I know it was a really weird pitch.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for pitching it, Ben, it was a great idea.

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Speaker 2: We I think we pulled it off. Yeah, just do

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Speaker 2: check it out. We want to see how many people

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Speaker 4: All right, and we promised not to replace that video

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Speaker 4: with another video and gaslight.

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Speaker 2: Ah, why would you say that, Ben, We're not going

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Speaker 2: to do that. Oh. Hey, if you want to call us,

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