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Speaker 4: Conversation from Chicago. This is film Spotting. I'm Adam Kembinar
Speaker 4: and I'm Josh Larson.
Speaker 2: You are amazing. Some people don't think so, but you
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Speaker 4: With the world's Spidey sense activated, Marvel's brand new Day
Speaker 4: opens this weekend. We take a look back at twenty
Speaker 4: five years of the Web Slinger on screen with our
Speaker 4: top five Spider Man scenes.
Speaker 1: With no Power comes Great Responsibility, Let's go with that.
Speaker 1: That more ahead on film Spotting.
Speaker 4: Welcome to film Spotting, Josh. We are back from our
Speaker 4: Odysseus review standalone review and our Odyssean Like Adventure, our
Speaker 4: annual trek up to Spring Green and American Players Theater
Speaker 4: saw some great theater, got to hang out with Sam
Speaker 4: on the Wisconsin River, not quite as treacherous as what
Speaker 4: Odysseus had to put up with.
Speaker 1: It wasn't we made it. We survived. No one drifted away.
Speaker 1: I think that's the main danger on that slow river
Speaker 1: is you're not paying attention and before you know it,
Speaker 1: you're one hundred yards down. But that is such a
Speaker 1: beautiful place, and it had been a couple of years
Speaker 1: since Debbie and I were able to get up there
Speaker 1: with you all, so it was so good to be back.
Speaker 1: A lot, a lot had changed all of our kids.
Speaker 1: It's like we're walking around mostly with adults now. Yes,
Speaker 1: and a lot had changed. Apt still doing wonderful theater.
Speaker 1: I think Casey and Diana was maybe the best, certainly
Speaker 1: one of the best productions we've seen I've seen since
Speaker 1: we've been there. And uh, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 4: It was a good time.
Speaker 1: It already feels like it was a month or two ago,
Speaker 1: but I know that's how the summers work.
Speaker 4: I guess it really does. And if you really do
Speaker 4: want to see what it was like on the Wisconsin River. Yes,
Speaker 4: we did post a picture on the Film Spotting and
Speaker 4: Larsen on film social media. Is you got some fine
Speaker 4: feedback on your hat, Josh. Always always play it safe,
Speaker 4: safety first, be prepared. Yes. Later in the show, we
Speaker 4: will have a new poll for you asking you to
Speaker 4: name the definitive Spider Man movie. I am eager to
Speaker 4: see those results. Maybe it will break out along generational lines, Josh,
Speaker 4: maybe it won't. We have a reminder that Film Spotting
Speaker 4: is available as a video podcast. You can watch us
Speaker 4: talk over at YouTube dot com slash film Spotting. We
Speaker 4: are anticipating Spider Man and New Day. This is a film, Josh,
Speaker 4: that you did just see. I believe a night or
Speaker 4: two ago you were able to get to the critic
Speaker 4: screening in Chicago. I am seeing it this weekend. We
Speaker 4: do plan to talk about it next week here on
Speaker 4: Film Spotting. So anticipatory programming, we thought why not look
Speaker 4: back at this entire I was going to say cycle,
Speaker 4: but there's been so many iterations and different studios making movies.
Speaker 4: Of course, we're going to look back at all of
Speaker 4: these Spider Man movies and see if we can cull
Speaker 4: together our individual top five lists. I anticipated that we
Speaker 4: would have some overlap, and it seems that we do,
Speaker 4: and that's fine. I am eager to see where we
Speaker 4: fall on these films and where we fall in terms
Speaker 4: of why we like these individual scenes. So we will
Speaker 4: get to that as we make our way through our list.
Speaker 4: We have our top five Spider Man scenes. Any preface
Speaker 4: to your list, just.
Speaker 1: That this was way easier for me than our super
Speaker 1: Man Moments list, which we just did last summer, and
Speaker 1: the main reason for that. Spider Man has always been
Speaker 1: my superhero. If I were asked to pick the one
Speaker 1: that I followed the longest, been most enamored with, and
Speaker 1: you know I mentioned before on the show, I think
Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, this is who I
Speaker 1: wanted to be, This is who I pretended to be.
Speaker 1: It worked out well that for whatever reason, climbing was
Speaker 1: my thing as a kid. You name it, trees, jungle, gyms, sheds,
Speaker 1: if you could climb, it was I was trying to
Speaker 1: do that. And after seeing Spider Man, yeah, I added
Speaker 1: the walls of our home to that list and would
Speaker 1: try to be Spider Man to my mom's sugar in
Speaker 1: This is probably done while wearing my Spider Man under Rus,
Speaker 1: which I know have been mentioned on the show before.
Speaker 1: Do you think we need to explain under Rus to
Speaker 1: younger generations at this point?
Speaker 4: Adam, It's sad because I don't think they make him anymore, right,
Speaker 4: And they were wonderful.
Speaker 1: They were amazing. Yeah, they late seventies, early eighties, I
Speaker 1: think meant sort of as pajamas or underwear. If yeah,
Speaker 1: they met a T shirt, a T shirt top matching
Speaker 1: bottoms in your favorite superheroes costume. Essentially, what more could
Speaker 1: you know a seven eight year old want. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just wonderful. So yeah, definitely had spider Man
Speaker 1: under Rus. And I think this was interesting compared to Superman,
Speaker 1: where I had to do a lot of research and
Speaker 1: kind of bring myself up to speed on the history
Speaker 1: of this character. When we talked about doing this list,
Speaker 1: immediately four scenes came to mind, just right in the
Speaker 1: first conversation I had with you know, with family and
Speaker 1: to my head as well. That's rare for me for
Speaker 1: a top five. You know, I'll have one or two
Speaker 1: maybe depending on the topic. And I ended up just
Speaker 1: sticking with those four. I you know, considered others, gave
Speaker 1: it some more thought, but it was one of those
Speaker 1: instances where if it's you know, pop culture personal like this,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to go with what hits you first.
Speaker 1: And then I did a little bit of searching for
Speaker 1: what could be my number five and I wound up
Speaker 1: being a moment that a listener reminded me of that
Speaker 1: I'm happy to make as a pick as well. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great pick. So yeah, this was a
Speaker 1: fun one.
Speaker 4: Basically, I will get into this a little bit more
Speaker 4: as we get into the lists. I did have to
Speaker 4: do one piece of homework. I don't know that I
Speaker 4: should have done this homework, Josh, but I had to
Speaker 4: do one piece of homework because as I was preparing,
Speaker 4: I got a little nervous. I thought, despite my love
Speaker 4: for Spider Man, and I think we've accurately dated ourselves
Speaker 4: here and everyone is clear. But we didn't grow up
Speaker 4: with Spider Man movies. We grew up with Spider Man
Speaker 4: the comic book. We grew up with Spider Man TV shows,
Speaker 4: the animated cartoons, Justice League. So Spider Man was a
Speaker 4: big part of our childhoods. But Superman. We had Superman
Speaker 4: the movie that was the that was the originator of
Speaker 4: a lot of these comic book superhero movies, and that was,
Speaker 4: of course the first one we saw. So I think
Speaker 4: I was a lot like you and that I immediately
Speaker 4: became obsessed with Superman. But then Spider Man came in,
Speaker 4: and there was something about the playfulness of Spider Man.
Speaker 4: There was something about for me, there was the strength
Speaker 4: despite the fact that he was such a live figure,
Speaker 4: but he was so strong, he was so powerful that
Speaker 4: that is something that appealed to me. And who didn't
Speaker 4: want for whatever reason? What was it about web slinging
Speaker 4: that just seems so cool? You just wanted to be
Speaker 4: able to do it because it was it was shooting
Speaker 4: something which as young boys you have to admit we're
Speaker 4: drawn to for whatever reason. But it wasn't It wasn't destructive,
Speaker 4: it wasn't it was a hyper aggressive.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. And part of it is, you know,
Speaker 1: I can remember too, just like swings, just swinging on
Speaker 1: or the like the swing that just had the disc
Speaker 1: on the bottom, so there was a single rope. You know,
Speaker 1: I would rarely be sitting on that, I would be
Speaker 1: hanging on it. And this was probably influenced by seeing
Speaker 1: the Spider Man cartoon or something like that. I think
Speaker 1: as we got a little older, Indiana Jones played into
Speaker 1: this swimming from the whip. Yeah right, It's all sort
Speaker 1: of this same motion that we gravitated towards, and then
Speaker 1: you see this superhero doing it and it's like, oh man.
Speaker 4: I was worried though, because I was thinking we didn't
Speaker 4: even review, or we avoided for a long time reviewing
Speaker 4: one of the last Spider Man movies with Tom Holland,
Speaker 4: and I knew or I was pretty certain I hadn't
Speaker 4: seen at least one of the Andrew Garfield There are
Speaker 4: only two. I knew I hadn't seen at least one
Speaker 4: of the Andrew Garfield movies, and I thought it was
Speaker 4: possible I hadn't seen both of them because I couldn't
Speaker 4: remember either of them. So I'm sitting here going, am
Speaker 4: I just not going to bring up the fact that
Speaker 4: we're doing a top five Spider Man scenes and I
Speaker 4: don't think I've seen like three of these ten movies
Speaker 4: or something. I'm straining credulity here. And then I did
Speaker 4: the research and I realized that I have seen all
Speaker 4: of these movies we did talk about, I think almost
Speaker 4: all of them on the show. The only exception, including
Speaker 4: the Amazing Spider Man the first Garfield Stone that was
Speaker 4: reviewed on the show, and I did see it, just
Speaker 4: have no recollection of it. The only one I did
Speaker 4: not see was the Amazing Spider Man two. So the second,
Speaker 4: the second one with Garfield and Stone rough. I did
Speaker 4: that homework, Josh, and it will come up. It will
Speaker 4: come up in the context of this top five. But no,
Speaker 4: it did not make it did not make my top five.
Speaker 4: I will just leave it at that. So now I
Speaker 4: have now seen all of them. I'm a completist.
Speaker 1: Good on you, good for doing your due diligence. I
Speaker 1: look forward to your letterboxed ranking soon.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is coming next. So let's go ahead and
Speaker 4: jump in your number five Spider Man scene.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this suggestion comes from a longtime listener, Jonathan Anderson,
Speaker 1: and and it comes from Spider Man two, directed by
Speaker 1: Sam Raimie. It's Spider Man being lifted by the crowd
Speaker 1: in the train, and I think that particular moment is
Speaker 1: my pick, the lifting and carrying him, But it works
Speaker 1: because it's prefaced by this great action sequence that Raimi stages.
Speaker 1: They're directly connected. So Toby Maguire here, Spider man's at
Speaker 1: the front of this elevated train, high up above the city.
Speaker 1: It's careening out of control toward the end of the track,
Speaker 1: which essentially the track just ends there, and so if
Speaker 1: you go past it, essentially like a cliff spider. Tries
Speaker 1: a couple of things to stop it, eventually casting webs
Speaker 1: onto the buildings on either side of the tracks and
Speaker 1: then holding them with his arms as he's at the
Speaker 1: very front, kind of turning himself into this human break,
Speaker 1: and the effort nearly kills him. So this is when
Speaker 1: the train stops. He succeeded, but he's completely exhausted and
Speaker 1: loses consciousness and almost falls forward off the platform, and
Speaker 1: that's when the passenger's hands. So the people who are
Speaker 1: in the car they reach out of the broken windows
Speaker 1: at the front of the train, just one and then another,
Speaker 1: another another, and they kind of grab him and hold
Speaker 1: him there, catch him, they save him, and then they
Speaker 1: bring him into the car, pass him over their heads
Speaker 1: to the back of the train where they lay him down.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have his mask on, and so a man observes,
Speaker 1: I think this speaks to a little bit of what
Speaker 1: you were talking about, Adam, about why were we so
Speaker 1: drawn to this character. A man says, he's just a kid,
Speaker 1: just a kid. He's just a kid, and all of them,
Speaker 1: my son and I think as kids too. Obviously a teenager,
Speaker 1: but still like this was different than Superman, who was
Speaker 1: not only an adult but like an alien. Right, this
Speaker 1: is a kid. So in the scene he does revive
Speaker 1: and then a couple of really little kids they hand
Speaker 1: him his mask and you know, promise we won't tell
Speaker 1: anybody here. There's that contract between Spider Man and the
Speaker 1: people that he protects, and I think that's what this
Speaker 1: whole sequence really speaks to the intimate relationship that this
Speaker 1: particular superhero has to the people he's protecting. And I
Speaker 1: do think this scene. I like how they set it
Speaker 1: up where during that whole action portion, as Spider Man
Speaker 1: is trying different things to get the train to stop,
Speaker 1: some of the passengers kind of get snarky with him,
Speaker 1: like what didn't work, and there's a back and forth.
Speaker 1: So there's already been this connection established. These aren't just
Speaker 1: faceless victims basically, and it made me wonder, I wonder
Speaker 1: if if Spider Man is the superhero who people in
Speaker 1: the story feel the closest to, almost on a personal level.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is the friendly neighborhood Spider Man, right,
Speaker 1: it's right there, And I do think there's something unique,
Speaker 1: maybe there's someone I'm forgetting about that where these aren't.
Speaker 1: You know, people talk about superheroes being the contemporary, modern
Speaker 1: day mythical guy odds, and a lot of times that's
Speaker 1: how we think of them, right, these superior beings, but
Speaker 1: not in the case of Spider Man, and a key
Speaker 1: portion of that is the relationship he has with the
Speaker 1: people on the streets that he walks and serves. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's I think it's a great pick of Jonathan's.
Speaker 1: Definitely one of my favorite scenes among all the movies.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start there.
Speaker 4: That would have been one of the top three or
Speaker 4: four that immediately came to mind for me, and that
Speaker 4: I would have I would have said, am I going
Speaker 4: with this because it it in a way seemed obvious
Speaker 4: to me, and I mean obvious just because it was
Speaker 4: one of the first ones I thought of. Am I
Speaker 4: Am I giving enough thought to this for me? Or
Speaker 4: is this a greatest hit? And it has to be
Speaker 4: considered Josh and I am giving it an honorable mention.
Speaker 4: It is a moving scene. And you're right about the
Speaker 4: intimate relationship between Spider Man and the city and its
Speaker 4: citizens is such a crucial part of these films. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the whole saga I don't know, and I'd love to
Speaker 4: hear from some New Yorkers on this. I don't know
Speaker 4: as I rewatch scenes whether or not the way New
Speaker 4: Yorkers are depicted is one of the strengths of these films.
Speaker 4: It definitely seems to for comedic reasons. It seems to
Speaker 4: resort to the most obvious cliches.
Speaker 1: My guess is people would say the Spider Verse movies
Speaker 1: get this the closest, yes, is what I would think.
Speaker 4: That's probably that's probably it's cartoonish. Otherwise, though, so that imagery,
Speaker 4: which which seems almost like Christ's imagery obviously, with him
Speaker 4: being held aloft with his with his arms out as
Speaker 4: he's being taken back in is really a stunning image.
Speaker 4: That line about him being just a kid is one
Speaker 4: that sticks with you. And the last thing I'll say
Speaker 4: is that even in the really bad Spider Man movies
Speaker 4: and some of these films that we considered are bet
Speaker 4: there are moments like that. Maybe not on that level,
Speaker 4: that's why this one's on your list and why it's
Speaker 4: an honorable mention for me. But but every every one
Speaker 4: of these movies gives you at least one visual moment
Speaker 4: like that, that that you can that you can take
Speaker 4: away from it. And and that's maybe that's why something
Speaker 4: about Spider Man and these films at least stays in
Speaker 4: our imagination and why we want to do lists like
Speaker 4: this one. My number five is one that involves dialogue
Speaker 4: and no no great imagery, Josh, unless you consider a
Speaker 4: couple of really effectively deployed close ups, and I suppose
Speaker 4: I will. I'm gonna start with a Spider Man scene
Speaker 4: that doesn't involve anyone in a Spider Man suit, nor
Speaker 4: anyone in any kind of superhero or super villain suit
Speaker 4: at all. There's certainly no cgi. There's no spectacle to
Speaker 4: it whatsoever, unless you consider watching Michael Keaton perform on
Speaker 4: screen a spectacle. When I think of these Tom holland
Speaker 4: mcu Spider Man movies, the scene that I have to
Speaker 4: admit is most memorable for me. It's not any of
Speaker 4: these big show stopping action sequences, and it's still a
Speaker 4: treat to watch. It's the dad talk between Keaton's Adrian
Speaker 4: Tombs and Holland's Peter Parker when he's taken his daughter
Speaker 4: out on a date and they're in the back seat
Speaker 4: together as Keaton's Vulture is chauffeuring them around, and he
Speaker 4: has put together what Peter has already put together, having
Speaker 4: recognized him because he doesn't wear a mask, that he
Speaker 4: is the villain, he's the bad guy. But here Adrian's
Speaker 4: putting it together that through some of the conversation that
Speaker 4: Peter Parker, his daughter's date, is in fact his nemesis.
Speaker 4: Now Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Does she though no what? So she does good close
Speaker 2: to the verst. I'd admire that I've got a few
Speaker 2: secrets to my own. All the reasons I didn't want
Speaker 2: my daughter to date.
Speaker 4: Comic book villains is why I also wanted to give
Speaker 4: a little bit of love to this scene and not
Speaker 4: just give it to Spider Man. As we're doing our
Speaker 4: top five Spider Man moments, Comic book villains on screen
Speaker 4: are just so hard to pull off. When you think
Speaker 4: about the best super hero movies period, so often aren't
Speaker 4: the ones that are near the top of the list,
Speaker 4: They're the ones that have the most memorable villains. It's
Speaker 4: like three right off the top of my head. The
Speaker 4: Dark Knight with the Joker. Eric Killmonger is one of
Speaker 4: the great villains in Black Panther. Spider Man two. You
Speaker 4: just talked about it, and doc oc Al for Molina
Speaker 4: is a key part of that. And you might be
Speaker 4: listening and saying, well, yeah, duh. The villains, they're the antagonists.
Speaker 4: They're a huge part of the movie. They're major characters.
Speaker 4: They're driving the action. Of course, the villains are important.
Speaker 4: That's my point, though it should be obvious, and yet
Speaker 4: there are plenty of examples where they the filmmakers try
Speaker 4: to provide some psychological motivation and mostly hope the cool
Speaker 4: effects will wow the audience. They give him a cool
Speaker 4: suit or whatever and some cool powers and that's about it.
Speaker 4: And this will come up again when I do bring
Speaker 4: up the amazing Spider Man two Electro anyone. You know,
Speaker 4: I think Electro kind of fits this bill and is
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why no offense to Jamie Fox,
Speaker 4: who I think gives it his best, but he is
Speaker 4: not a good villain. And you watch this scene between
Speaker 4: Keaton and Holland, and Keaton is just delivering what I
Speaker 4: said at the time, was a masterclass in menace. It's
Speaker 4: so intense without ever raising his voice. He's so scary,
Speaker 4: despite having a smile on his face for much of
Speaker 4: the conversation. I mean, it's a twisted smile, but it's
Speaker 4: a smile.
Speaker 2: The nothing. It's more important than family. You saved my
Speaker 2: daughter's life, and I could never forget something like that.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you one chance. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Who walks through those doors? You forget any of this happened,
Speaker 2: And don't you ever ever interfere with my business again,
Speaker 2: because if you do, I'll kill you and everybody you love.
Speaker 2: I'll kill you dead. That's what I'll do to protect
Speaker 2: my family. Pete.
Speaker 4: You understand villains, if you really go back and think
Speaker 4: about him, they almost always have a grudge, of course,
Speaker 4: against someone, and it's usually Spider Man or whoever they're
Speaker 4: fighting or against the world, and they believe they're justified
Speaker 4: in their actions. Why else are they doing whatever? Why
Speaker 4: else are they doing it? Unless maybe I can't believe
Speaker 4: I'm mentioning it again, unless maybe they're the Rhino Paul
Speaker 4: Giamatti's character and the amazing Spider Man too. He just
Speaker 4: seems to want to Reacavoc for no good reason. But
Speaker 4: with the Vulture, it's very clear the Keaton tapped into
Speaker 4: a character who just wants to take care of his
Speaker 4: family and believes that his business has been screwed over
Speaker 4: by the government. And when you watch the movie, it's
Speaker 4: hard to argue with him. You absolutely understand the predicament
Speaker 4: that he's in and you sympathize with him. He certainly
Speaker 4: feels like, even though it's just these two guys sitting
Speaker 4: in a car, he feels like a real threat to
Speaker 4: Spider Man here. As a villains, he's of course a
Speaker 4: threat despite just being a man. That's it. He's not
Speaker 4: imbued with any special powers. He is just a man.
Speaker 4: All of these other villains are almost all the other
Speaker 4: villains you can think of, have been transformed in some
Speaker 4: way and are not really human or fully human anymore.
Speaker 4: Vulture stands out because of his humanity and you you
Speaker 4: see it come through in his overprotectiveness of his family
Speaker 4: in this scene. Like I said, it was one of
Speaker 4: the first few scenes that came to mind for me,
Speaker 4: maybe because it's one of the most recent, but of
Speaker 4: all the MCU incarnations, this one had to be on
Speaker 4: my list.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It came to mind to me immediately as well, unfairly,
Speaker 1: probably because I walked into the family room maybe two
Speaker 1: or three weeks ago, and this was playing on the TV.
Speaker 1: This is what my kids were watching, and I just
Speaker 1: had to stop. I had to sit down. I had
Speaker 1: to finish it, because.
Speaker 4: It's really a great scene.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I've got it higher on
Speaker 1: my list. So I'm gonna do some jumping around here
Speaker 1: and I'll get back to my number four, and right
Speaker 1: now talk about my number three, which is where I
Speaker 1: have the dad talk. It is. If we have to
Speaker 1: give a majority of the credit, it is Keaton. You're right,
Speaker 1: this is a character, as you laid out well, so
Speaker 1: smartly conceived and motivated, believably so. And then what Keaton
Speaker 1: does with it, I mean, those who need cgi When
Speaker 1: you have Michael Keaton's eyebrows, you're you're good. That's definitely
Speaker 1: a huge part of the tension in this scene. I
Speaker 1: do think Holland is also quite good here though, even
Speaker 1: though it's not his moment. This is Keaton's moment. But
Speaker 1: I like how he plays Peter trying to be cool,
Speaker 1: but clearly not only intimidated but scared yes on a
Speaker 1: multiple multiple reasons because of his relationship with Vulture's daughter. Right,
Speaker 1: Laura Harrier is the actress here, and she's at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the scene, and I love the dynamic there.
Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, I'm gonna go go in and leave
Speaker 1: you two alone to have your talk. And this is
Speaker 1: I think this is what's so great about this scene
Speaker 1: as well. Is the genius, the simple genius of the
Speaker 1: of Spider Man Homecoming, let's say, to a lesser degree,
Speaker 1: far from home. And I think this gets lost a
Speaker 1: bit in No Way Home, but in Spider Man Homecoming
Speaker 1: is that it was a high school movie first and
Speaker 1: a Spider Man movie second, and so your emotional investment
Speaker 1: is equally at least, let's say, in that scene, in
Speaker 1: this familiar, uncomfortable dynamic of being, you know, a teen
Speaker 1: couple in a car with one of your parents, and
Speaker 1: what you're going to talk about, how your parent is
Speaker 1: going to act, how your boyfriend or girlfriend is going
Speaker 1: to act, however that goes Already, you've got natural anxiety,
Speaker 1: and then the context that this story brings into it
Speaker 1: just amps that up. And I think that's the line
Speaker 1: that Holland plays really well in the movie overall, but
Speaker 1: here in particular, he's anxious as the boyfriend and he's
Speaker 1: anxious as the hero facing his nemesis here, So it
Speaker 1: goes back to that, you know, he's just a kid
Speaker 1: thing we already touched on, right, that's definitely at play here.
Speaker 1: I think the best about these Holland movies are the
Speaker 1: way they kind of capture the acute anxiety of that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally with you there. My number three pick is the
Speaker 1: dad talk.
Speaker 2: Now you're going in there, you show my daughter a
Speaker 2: good time, Okay, just not too good.
Speaker 4: Part of the fun of that scene as a viewer
Speaker 4: is the way it plays with our expectations and our
Speaker 4: understanding of these familiar scenes. And that's a familiar cultural scene,
Speaker 4: whether we've been involved in it ourselves or not. We
Speaker 4: understand the dad talk, as the dad in that scene
Speaker 4: even refers to it, I'm going to have the dad talk,
Speaker 4: and the daughter knows what that means as she gets
Speaker 4: out of the car, and it doesn't go the way
Speaker 4: it should go at all, So it subverts that. But
Speaker 4: then also it subverts the superhero villain hero conversation confrontation
Speaker 4: scene because There are plenty of examples in those movies
Speaker 4: where and in Spider Man movies where one of the
Speaker 4: two in the scene is kind of on to the
Speaker 4: other and their real identity, and so they have that
Speaker 4: teasing conversation where they're kind of trying to suss it
Speaker 4: out or they're prodding the other one a little bit,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't really go anywhere. They don't actually they
Speaker 4: don't say it. They don't bluntly say what they're really
Speaker 4: thinking and feeling, and they don't actually call the other
Speaker 4: person out on it. And in this scene, they just
Speaker 4: he just puts the pleasantries completely aside and does that.
Speaker 4: So I think it it just confounds our expectations in
Speaker 4: that way and a really in a really great way.
Speaker 4: You may have already seen it, Josh, but I need
Speaker 4: to go see Spider Man Brand New day in order
Speaker 4: to review it here next week on the show. That's
Speaker 4: one I am excited to see in the theater. Have
Speaker 4: a couple of kids in my house actually who are
Speaker 4: excited to see the new Spider Man movie as well,
Speaker 4: so I'll have company for that one. It will be
Speaker 4: fun to watch that now through the lens of having
Speaker 4: revisited all of these films and thinking about some things
Speaker 4: in common.
Speaker 1: There are definitely some callbacks to a few of the
Speaker 1: moments we talked about.
Speaker 4: The Invite is the big movie I still haven't caught
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Speaker 4: your number five, we've got my number five, and we've
Speaker 4: got your number three. That means then we do have
Speaker 4: to go back to my number four, and we're going
Speaker 4: to stick with recent vintage Spider Man. And this is
Speaker 4: from Spider Man into the Spider Verse, and the sequence
Speaker 4: is my name is Peter B. Parker Jake Johnson when
Speaker 4: we learn about the backstory of his character, and I
Speaker 4: guess this is this is what I'm looking for or
Speaker 4: something that I need from these scenes in order to
Speaker 4: make my list. Anyway, Josh, that subversion of expectations. We're
Speaker 4: not used to seeing Spider Man with the five o'clock
Speaker 4: shadow or with the B in his name, so something's
Speaker 4: a little bit off. Our spider sense is tingling a little.
Speaker 4: But he more or less looks like the Spider Man
Speaker 4: we know from the movies. Everything's checking out. He even says,
Speaker 4: let's do this one last time, suggesting that he's gonna
Speaker 4: give us the familiar yarn. Let's just bring you up
Speaker 4: to speed. But it's everything you already know. And as
Speaker 4: he's saying it, the story in the imagery lines up,
Speaker 4: including a scene we may hear about later, right the
Speaker 4: upside down kiss, the famous upside down kiss with MJ
Speaker 4: and his dialogue. The narration includes, you see, I saved
Speaker 4: the city, fell in love. Okay, I got married. Well
Speaker 4: that's that's maybe a new wrinkle. But I can buy
Speaker 4: that saved the city some more, maybe too much. I'm
Speaker 4: still I'm still buying this. I'm thinking, congratulations, Spidey. I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I'm glad things worked out. You fell in love, and then.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you know the rest. You see, I
Speaker 3: saved the city, fell in love, I got married, saved
Speaker 3: the city some more, maybe too much. My marriage got testy,
Speaker 3: made some dicey money choices. Don't invest in a spider
Speaker 3: themed restaurant. Then, like fifteen years past, bob blah blah,
Speaker 3: super barn. I broke my back, A drunk flew into
Speaker 3: my face. I buried at May. My wife and I
Speaker 3: split up, but I handled it like a chap.
Speaker 4: It's the it's the part about the marriage getting testy
Speaker 4: and making some see money choices and him warning us
Speaker 4: Josh to not invest in any Spider themed restaurants. Did
Speaker 4: you know, Josh, that seahorses mate for life. I can't
Speaker 4: imagine a seahorse seeing another seahorse and making it work.
Speaker 4: This this is funny stuff, genuinely funny stuff. And even
Speaker 4: though those movies, these superhero movies, are largely about the
Speaker 4: conflict between between two identities, trying to reconcile being a
Speaker 4: hero versus just being a man, I don't think any
Speaker 4: of us actually do really consider the possibility that any
Speaker 4: of these, any of these heroes are ever going to
Speaker 4: be washed up. And so this movie makes us think
Speaker 4: about that, and the ironic jextapositions of the visuals and
Speaker 4: Peter's narration. I remember seeing as in the theater and
Speaker 4: lack good out loud at it, but I handled it
Speaker 4: like a champ. And he's sobbing in the shower, And
Speaker 4: no matter how many times I get hit, I always
Speaker 4: get back up, and he's just, you know, crouched in bed,
Speaker 4: completely despondent. The way too that Jake Johnson lowers his
Speaker 4: voice at the beginning. He's talking in that normal kind
Speaker 4: of Jake Johnson way. But then when he says the
Speaker 4: one and Only Spider.
Speaker 3: Man, the one and only Spider.
Speaker 4: Man, as if he knows as the character, he has
Speaker 4: to say it with some authority, but he also he
Speaker 4: also means it. It's not just out of some sense
Speaker 4: of duty, it's not performative. He wants to put that
Speaker 4: authority behind it. I think that's why Johnson is so
Speaker 4: perfect in that role as Peter B. Parker, is that
Speaker 4: he is inherently an ironic actor. There's always an element
Speaker 4: of winking at the audience, but he does not overplay
Speaker 4: it at all. There is something still deeply genuine that
Speaker 4: he brings to certainly this character. And I think a
Speaker 4: scene for me maybe a microcosm of Spider Verse, where
Speaker 4: I remember not only finding it legitimately hilarious, but also
Speaker 4: I was shaking my head at how the filmmakers took something,
Speaker 4: took a narrative and took imagery that was so familiar
Speaker 4: and made it feel brand new.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That quality of Jake Johnson's performance I think works
Speaker 1: really well with the progression you get in this scene
Speaker 1: because it does start out, as you were saying, with
Speaker 1: the familiar things and showing us what we knew or
Speaker 1: we've heard in other iterations. And then there's the slight diversion.
Speaker 1: He starts to use euphemisms right like the money thing.
Speaker 1: He doesn't exactly say what happened. It's way worse than
Speaker 1: the phrase uses. And then, as you said, by the
Speaker 1: time the scene comes to its end, what he's saying
Speaker 1: is exactly the opposite of all we're seeing. So that
Speaker 1: vocal quality works well with this progression towards complete denial
Speaker 1: that the visuals that the visuals are giving us. Yes,
Speaker 1: so smart, such a smart movie, able to be funny
Speaker 1: and thrilling in so many ways. And you know, even
Speaker 1: this character I think works well because he is a
Speaker 1: supporting character to this larger story we're telling, and so
Speaker 1: we can get these qualities before they become rote or
Speaker 1: too familiar or too much of a joke. Instead, they're
Speaker 1: informing the larger narrative in crucial ways but also really
Speaker 1: entertaining ones like this scene. All right, so I need
Speaker 1: to jump back to my number four to get us
Speaker 1: back on track here, and I have a bit of
Speaker 1: a cheat here. I did this with Superman two. This
Speaker 1: is going to be a title sequence in theme song.
Speaker 1: I am choosing that from the Spider Man animated series
Speaker 1: that ran from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy. With
Speaker 1: the Superman list we did, I chose the opening for
Speaker 1: those Fleischer Studios shorts from nineteen forty one. A listener
Speaker 1: me in on those, and I ended up watching I
Speaker 1: don't know how many, because they were just fascinating and
Speaker 1: had that great opening sequence. And part of my reasoning
Speaker 1: for picking it there is because that sequence from nineteen
Speaker 1: forty one cemented crucial qualities of the Superman character in
Speaker 1: our collective imagination. And I think this one, even though
Speaker 1: it's borrowing quite heavily from the comic books, this did
Speaker 1: so in the late sixties and onward. I mean we
Speaker 1: were watching this adam not during its initial run. We
Speaker 1: would have been watching this maybe ten years after on reruns, right,
Speaker 1: but it had been I'm sure playing the whole time
Speaker 1: for multiple generations of kids. So if you look at
Speaker 1: the Spider Man, if you look at Spider Man as
Speaker 1: a character basically debuting in a Marvel comic in sixty two,
Speaker 1: got his first solo series in sixty three, and obviously
Speaker 1: that's set the foundation for the character. But for me,
Speaker 1: born in seventy four. I think this was my first
Speaker 1: encounter with Spider Man. That would be my my guests.
Speaker 1: I didn't really read comic books for whatever reason, until
Speaker 1: I was an adult, actually, and so this Spider Man
Speaker 1: cartoon was my first encounter, and I was locked in
Speaker 1: That opening has everything I wanted and had. The swinging
Speaker 1: you talked about, the web slinging, radioactive blood. Sure, I
Speaker 1: probably had no idea what that meant, but sure sounds great.
Speaker 1: And yeah, lots and lots and lots of climbing. And
Speaker 1: I think this also captures equality that is a crucial
Speaker 1: one for Spider Man, beyond his youth. But maybe related
Speaker 1: that's emphasized here. He was friendly. He was a friendly
Speaker 1: Spider Man. The lyrics are telling us this, but the
Speaker 1: image I'll never forget. It's this great little bit, kind
Speaker 1: of a winking bit in this opening credit sequence where
Speaker 1: he's swinging through the air and we get a close
Speaker 1: up and he just waves to the you know, quote
Speaker 1: unquote camera waving, we've met me, you know, like six
Speaker 1: or seven year old me. However old I was. There
Speaker 1: was this superhero who paused in his heroics to give
Speaker 1: me a little ways Snyder Man Steiner, So it's a
Speaker 1: delightful piece of Spider Man iconography. It still resonates today.
Speaker 1: This is where the Spider Man pointing at himself meme
Speaker 1: comes from. So I did have to have it on
Speaker 1: my list, even though it's from a TV series.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching that clip just a little bit earlier today
Speaker 4: definitely took me back. Talk about a way nostalgia. It
Speaker 4: did bring me back to my childhood. My number three
Speaker 4: is from Spider Man two, Sam Raimi spider Man two,
Speaker 4: and it's the Planetarium Party. I have to give credit
Speaker 4: to the host of Film Spotting SVU, one of the
Speaker 4: hosts of Film Spotting SVU, Matt Singer for reminding me
Speaker 4: of this scene and the way I was reminded of
Speaker 4: this scene Josh Is via our upcoming episode of movie Deathmatch.
Speaker 4: This will drop in listener's feed if you follow film Spotting,
Speaker 4: it will drop in your feed. On Monday, August third,
Speaker 4: with Brand New Day coming out, we did a death
Speaker 4: match between what a lot of people contend are the
Speaker 4: two best Spider Man movies, Old School Spider Man two
Speaker 4: and New School Into the Spider Verse. Matt advocating for
Speaker 4: Spider Man two. Daisy Rosario defending into the Spider Verse.
Speaker 4: Had a really great conversation about it. Again, that show
Speaker 4: will be coming into your feed soon. Matt mentions a
Speaker 4: scene from Spider Man two, and when I was scanning
Speaker 4: through the movie and I went back and broke this
Speaker 4: scene down, I knew it had to be on my list.
Speaker 4: And the reason why Matt brought it up in the
Speaker 4: context of Deathmatch is he was mentioning how during this
Speaker 4: scene you really recognize Sam Raimi's sadistic tendencies as a director,
Speaker 4: how they really come out. And we'll get into that,
Speaker 4: because this is the scene that's this big high society
Speaker 4: gala and Peter has been hired by j Jonah Jamison
Speaker 4: to be the photographer for the event. There is a
Speaker 4: lot of story unfolding here. Harry Osborne and Peter are
Speaker 4: fighting about Spider Man. Peter is watching MJ. He doesn't
Speaker 4: know it when he gets there, but Peter is watching
Speaker 4: MJ get engaged to another man, John Jamison, and it
Speaker 4: all could have just unfolded, rendering all of that drama
Speaker 4: with a very dramatic expression, like I honestly could have
Speaker 4: picked this scene Josh forgetting all the sadistic stuff and
Speaker 4: just focusing on this moment. It could be a top
Speaker 4: five contender just for the moment, the dramatic expression of
Speaker 4: Peter's torment when he has to watch MJ descend the
Speaker 4: staircase with John hearing about this perfect man, and then
Speaker 4: seeing her so happy, well seemingly happy as she comes
Speaker 4: down the stairs, and the way camera and editing work
Speaker 4: together kind of swirling around him to show how devastated
Speaker 4: he is. It's very, very effective. But where this scene
Speaker 4: really becomes special for me is that it could have
Speaker 4: just been all that. It could have been just about
Speaker 4: showing his heartache and devastation. But what layers does Sam
Speaker 4: Raimi add being Sam Rami and I assume it's a
Speaker 4: Ramie touch here because it could have been written into
Speaker 4: the script by David cap But not only do I
Speaker 4: trust Matt Singer at least in giving the credit to Ramy,
Speaker 4: it also is part of it, Josh. Where there's no dialogue,
Speaker 4: it's all just physical action that happens. So here again,
Speaker 4: I'm going to give the credit to Ramie in the blocking.
Speaker 4: Think about everything that is going wrong for Peter at
Speaker 4: this point in the movie, beyond his best friend hating
Speaker 4: both him and Spider Man two parts of him and
Speaker 4: MJ forsaking him for another guy. He's doubting whether he
Speaker 4: should continue to be a superhero at all, and his
Speaker 4: powers are fading, like he's at this low point, the
Speaker 4: lowest point he could possibly be. How does Ramie portray
Speaker 4: the emotional ringer that Peter is going through, How everything
Speaker 4: he wants seems to be just out of his reach,
Speaker 4: How he is both part of society but also excluded
Speaker 4: from it. Well, the whole sequence begins with him walking
Speaker 4: into the party and seeing one last ordeure on a
Speaker 4: tray and reaching for it, and right as he reaches
Speaker 4: for it, someone else comes along and grabs it. So
Speaker 4: there you go. He he can't get just that little
Speaker 4: treat that he wants. Okay, fine, he sees we have
Speaker 4: that great mini sequence where he sees MJ arm in
Speaker 4: arm with this perfect man, it seems John. So he
Speaker 4: goes outside another waitress walking around with the tray. This
Speaker 4: one Rainy shoots it so it's at his exact eye level,
Speaker 4: like almost beckoning him to come over and take it.
Speaker 4: One more on the tray, same thing, someone grabs it
Speaker 4: just before, Like he can't even get a bite of food.
Speaker 4: Here at this party, Josh, It's it's that bad. So
Speaker 4: now he's having a conversation outside with MJ. And she
Speaker 4: tells him off how this is just not going to work,
Speaker 4: that she has to move on, that she's going to
Speaker 4: have to, you know, go with this this other you
Speaker 4: know why she's going with this other man and another
Speaker 4: A waiter passes by and and they have one drink
Speaker 4: and it seems like a fancy drink, you know, it's
Speaker 4: got a little teaky hut or something in it, and
Speaker 4: he reaches for it parched, goes to take large gulp
Speaker 4: and it's an empty it's somebody's empty glass. He can't
Speaker 4: even get his thirst satisfied there in the moment, And
Speaker 4: as if that wasn't bad enough, we get that followed
Speaker 4: by the indignity of Harry slapping him twice, and then
Speaker 4: he has to take a photo of the newly engaged
Speaker 4: MJ and John. So, I don't know, satist might be
Speaker 4: putting it mildly. Rady's a monster when you watch the
Speaker 4: scene in terms of the way he treats Peter Parker
Speaker 4: over the course of this four or five minutes, it's
Speaker 4: it's kind of horrible, but also undeniably funny watching poor
Speaker 4: Peter at all, these little steps get denied when the
Speaker 4: poor guy just wants like a crabcake and a drink
Speaker 4: of whatever is in that in that glass. But that
Speaker 4: that's the sensibility that, like I said, almost certainly wasn't
Speaker 4: in the script, that an imaginative director like Raymi brings
Speaker 4: to those films. That makes those first those first two
Speaker 4: films in particular, but parts of the third film as well,
Speaker 4: that makes those films so special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the comic aspect is related to, you know, slapstick.
Speaker 1: There's a slapstick element, maybe a slower, slower pace slapstick
Speaker 1: going on here, which I think of as a part
Speaker 1: of Raymie's style as well. And yeah, can't wait hear
Speaker 1: that episode with Matt we should repeat and mentioned maybe
Speaker 1: to plug more his book Spider Man Marvel Spider Man
Speaker 1: from Amazing to Spectacular.
Speaker 4: It's really I.
Speaker 1: Mean, there's so much information in it, but it looks
Speaker 1: beautiful too. And I remember when that came out a
Speaker 1: number of years ago. That was when I was trying
Speaker 1: to get my younger daughter into Spider Man, so bought
Speaker 1: that for her to move her along. It's a really
Speaker 1: great book.
Speaker 4: Before we get to our top two, we would like
Speaker 4: to remind you that you can find all of our
Speaker 4: picks and all of our top five lists over at
Speaker 4: our time five archive Filmspotting dot Net. Just click on
Speaker 4: lists right there at the top of the page. We
Speaker 4: also do link to these scenes whenever we do have
Speaker 4: the clips available, and I think with all of our
Speaker 4: picks for this list, the scenes are available if you'd
Speaker 4: like to watch along as we discuss them. Let's also
Speaker 4: take a minute, Josh to thank the Film Spotting Family
Speaker 4: membership is the single largest support source of support for
Speaker 4: the show. It does keep us doing what we've been
Speaker 4: doing for over twenty one years, and we normally shout
Speaker 4: out a couple of Film Spotting Family members. We will
Speaker 4: get back to doing that, but we wanted to highlight
Speaker 4: again Summer Madness, Summer Film Spotting Family madness, the best
Speaker 4: of the nineteen twenties and thirties. When we left off,
Speaker 4: I think maybe we were announcing the play and round,
Speaker 4: but with our week off we did have Round one.
Speaker 4: It played out and we should give some prop I
Speaker 4: suppose to the selection committee in this case myself and Sam,
Speaker 4: because all the favorites won as I thought would happen.
Speaker 4: Sure it wasn't a case of any major upsets here.
Speaker 4: We did have the favorites advance, though there were a
Speaker 4: couple close matchups. That does mean that round two is
Speaker 4: live as we are recording this. There are eight matchups then,
Speaker 4: and that includes the Wizard of Oz versus Chaplain's Modern Times,
Speaker 4: Metropolis versus King Kong, the Passion of Joan of Arc
Speaker 4: versus Bringing Up Baby. I mean I can vote fairly
Speaker 4: easily in all three of those.
Speaker 1: What about you, Well, this is basically asking me to
Speaker 1: rethink and agonize over my sit and sound top ten
Speaker 1: of all time less right in the constantly shifting order,
Speaker 1: because I believe Wizard of Oz, Modern Times, King Kong, Metropolis.
Speaker 1: I think all four of those have either been on
Speaker 1: my top ten of all time list or circling that
Speaker 1: honor in the various iterations we've done over the years
Speaker 1: on the show here. So I don't know how to
Speaker 1: start thinking about this. I'm going to need a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of time. I can say
Speaker 1: Passion of Joan of Arc versus Bringing Up Baby. That's
Speaker 1: the easy one for me because I only like bringing
Speaker 1: up baby, Whereas Passion of Joan of Arc. You know
Speaker 1: that it's all timer. So that's an easy answer for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going to go with the
Speaker 1: other ones, how to even begin thinking about it, which
Speaker 1: is I suppose why we do this thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's part of it, and certainly a reason
Speaker 4: why we do Madness proper on the show. We've always
Speaker 4: said is discovery. Even though sometimes we're talking about movies,
Speaker 4: you would think everyone knows when we've been doing more
Speaker 4: recent decades, as we go farther back, it is about
Speaker 4: sharing titles that maybe some of our audience hasn't seen,
Speaker 4: and in some cases we haven't seen, and we're doing
Speaker 4: the homework that we need to do as well. So
Speaker 4: case in point, David Colb, a listener who is a
Speaker 4: Film Spotting family member participating in this Madness and had
Speaker 4: a comment in the Film Spotting discord that we wanted
Speaker 4: to share and this, Josh, you can read it. This
Speaker 4: is an example. It's an interesting query that we can
Speaker 4: just throw out to Film Spotting listeners to consider. But
Speaker 4: also I think it just speaks to why we do tournaments,
Speaker 4: silly madness tournaments like this because of a reaction that
Speaker 4: David could have to a film like the Passion of
Speaker 4: Joan of Arc.
Speaker 1: David says, I caught up with the Passion of Joan
Speaker 1: of Arc for this tournament, and I'm confident I will
Speaker 1: be voting for it as long as it survives. One
Speaker 1: of my all time great home viewing experiences in a
Speaker 1: film I could see putting in my letterbox top four.
Speaker 1: At some point that said, a significant part of my
Speaker 1: love for the film was the score that cris Uses,
Speaker 1: which is a nineteen nineties classical work performed by the
Speaker 1: voices of Light Ensemble that was written to accompany the film.
Speaker 1: For the purposes of this tournament, how do you all
Speaker 1: evaluate silent films that have soundtracks that were written much later?
Speaker 1: Is it possible to separate these aspects of the film,
Speaker 1: and if so, should we?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: Thank you David for participating and yet taking the time
Speaker 1: to watch Joan of Arc. This is a question that
Speaker 1: has long bedeviled me, and I've avoided trying to come
Speaker 1: up with a conclusive answer because oftentimes, when you're trying
Speaker 1: to track down older films like this, you're viewing options
Speaker 1: are limited, let alone your score options. But I think
Speaker 1: it's a really important question and I'm sure a film
Speaker 1: historian would have a decisive opinion on it. I think
Speaker 1: my instinct usually if I'm looking for options, is if
Speaker 1: there is any sort of original now with silent films,
Speaker 1: of course there's no like original original, right, but if
Speaker 1: there has been historical work done where this piece was
Speaker 1: often used to accompany, you know, the earliest screenings of
Speaker 1: the silent film that we can go back and actually pinpoint,
Speaker 1: then I would go with that just kind of be
Speaker 1: sort of a purist historically, But there are many films
Speaker 1: that older films that have used contemporary scores in the
Speaker 1: way the one David is talking about that probably work
Speaker 1: better and sound better and serve the story better. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if the historical purity route is necessarily
Speaker 1: the best defense it.
Speaker 4: It is so tough. But maybe this is obvious and
Speaker 4: not really what David is getting into, because I understand
Speaker 4: as you're suggesting there's a larger philosophical conundrum here. But
Speaker 4: for the purposes of something like Madness, your choice is
Speaker 4: your choice, and it's what you're limited to. It may
Speaker 4: simply be a case that if you only have access
Speaker 4: to something like the Criterion version of it with the
Speaker 4: score and for our arbitrary needs, you're weighing it against
Speaker 4: the Adventures of Robin Hood, and you watch both films
Speaker 4: and you have to pick one that that you like more.
Speaker 4: All you can do is go off the version of
Speaker 4: The Passion of Joan of Arc that you saw, and
Speaker 4: I don't need to overthink it any more any more
Speaker 4: than that. I think we always want to default to
Speaker 4: as close to original versions as we can find of something.
Speaker 4: But if it proves to be too difficult, I don't
Speaker 4: know what else you can do. Right, So it is
Speaker 4: a very interesting question, and I haven't had a chance
Speaker 4: yet to look. I'm curious what people in the Film
Speaker 4: Spotting Family discord have had to say in response to David.
Speaker 4: I will check that out. Other Film Spotting Family members
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Speaker 4: Family members for their support. A couple of quick notes
Speaker 4: before we round out our top five Spider Man scenes.
Speaker 4: We have two more picks left. You brought to my
Speaker 4: attention a really fine article by Richard Roper talking about
Speaker 4: something I don't know how many of our listeners are
Speaker 4: aware of. They've maybe heard about it a little bit
Speaker 4: over the years, this mysterious Lake Street screening room that
Speaker 4: the two of us have both had the honor, quite frankly,
Speaker 4: the privilege of sitting in. And it does seem it's
Speaker 4: maybe not imminent. We don't know the exact route it's
Speaker 4: going to take or what the timing is going to be,
Speaker 4: but it does certainly seem based on Richard Roper's article,
Speaker 4: which we will link to in our show notes if
Speaker 4: you would like to read it, it does seem like
Speaker 4: the Lake Street Screening Room may be no more, which
Speaker 4: is really sad to think of when you consider all
Speaker 4: the history that is in that room. So this may
Speaker 4: be a little inside baseball, but hey, this is a
Speaker 4: film criticism show and it's something that we did want
Speaker 4: to spend a minute on. We have to.
Speaker 1: The history is so rich. This article by Richard Roper
Speaker 1: is really good, just very reflective, and based on my
Speaker 1: experience attending there over the I guess decades, now captures
Speaker 1: it quite well. So we'll link to it. It's at
Speaker 1: roderibert dot com. Appropriately because this was the home of
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel from the early newspaper years,
Speaker 1: all throughout their television show. And I do remember when
Speaker 1: I first got a chance to go, probably mid to
Speaker 1: late nineties, maybe a forty seat, it's probably in the article.
Speaker 1: I should should know this offhand, but not a very
Speaker 1: big room. And when I got a chance to go,
Speaker 1: writing a freelance movie review for a newspaper, feeling like
Speaker 1: I was entering the Holy of holies because they were
Speaker 1: all there, Ebert and Ciscol, but also at the time
Speaker 1: Michael Wilmington Chicago Tribune critic as well, alongside Ciscol, Jonathan
Speaker 1: Rosenbaum Chicago Reader critic. I mean people I had been
Speaker 1: had grown up reading religiously, and here I was sitting
Speaker 1: in an intimidatingly small screening room with them, And so
Speaker 1: it was that. It was also just the idiosyncratic nature
Speaker 1: of it. It's in this high rise, you know, sixteen
Speaker 1: middle sixteenth floor of an unassuming high rise, which I
Speaker 1: think the building's being sold, which is why the occasion
Speaker 1: for this article or has been sold. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: just walked in and you'd go up and there would
Speaker 1: be this room and there'd be all these folks and
Speaker 1: you'd get to watch these movies in advance. And it's faded.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think I've only been there once, maybe within the
Speaker 1: last year or so. More screenings are being held just
Speaker 1: in you know, larger theater chains around the city. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the quality is the other thing of the presentation though.
Speaker 1: And Richard Roper interviews Steve Kraus, who's been the projectionists
Speaker 1: and really the running the whole space all this time,
Speaker 1: and you just knew that it was going to be
Speaker 1: pristine or what the format, and that's something you know,
Speaker 1: when you're going to a wider chain for press screenings,
Speaker 1: you don't always get Let's just say the framing for
Speaker 1: the Odyssey press screening was a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite even on the screen. It wasn't disastrous.
Speaker 1: We got the whole picture, but just being there reminded
Speaker 1: me again of what you would get from the Lake
Speaker 1: Street screening room. So yeah, I don't know if were
Speaker 1: we ever there together, Adam. I think by the time
Speaker 1: I was doing the show, it was being used less
Speaker 1: and less, but I'm sure there were a couple instances
Speaker 1: where we caught something there.
Speaker 4: Absolutely there were, And it's so funny how over the
Speaker 4: years now it's hard to remember exactly how many times,
Speaker 4: but I know for sure because I remember referencing and
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen very often that I do this, but
Speaker 4: I remember referencing the muted response to the Grand Budapest
Speaker 4: Hotel the first time I reviewed it, and it was
Speaker 4: the critics response in the room, and we were all
Speaker 4: together watching it in the Lake Street screen room the
Speaker 4: first time I saw that movie, I think two thousand
Speaker 4: and late two thousand and six, early two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: so just about a year and a half or two
Speaker 4: years into film spotting was when we finally did get
Speaker 4: access to that room and absolutely feeling like you had arrived,
Speaker 4: And you especially felt like you'd arrived when you walk
Speaker 4: in and there's Roger Ebert, and no one had to
Speaker 4: tell you that that was his place in the back.
Speaker 4: You knew that, you knew that if he was sitting there,
Speaker 4: that had to be his spot, and he was going
Speaker 4: to sit there every time, and you would not ever
Speaker 4: dare to sit in that seat. And I did pretty
Speaker 4: much always find a seat just in like the third
Speaker 4: row middle. But that's the other thing about this that
Speaker 4: I did want to mention, Josh, is that I think
Speaker 4: when you hear about this place and you think about
Speaker 4: like Ciskel and Ebert being here at this private screening
Speaker 4: room for critics, the image in your mind you talk
Speaker 4: about the great presentation, which it was, the image in
Speaker 4: your mind is of this pristine, immaculate sort of place.
Speaker 4: And it's not that it was run down or tawdry
Speaker 4: or anything, but it also always felt to me just
Speaker 4: very working class and just very much a space where
Speaker 4: working working critics for there to see the movie they
Speaker 4: had to see and then go do the work that
Speaker 4: they had to do in response to that movie. It
Speaker 4: wasn't it wasn't there to be some howload movie house.
Speaker 4: It was. It was there to project to you a
Speaker 4: good picture and good sound and a comfortable seat.
Speaker 2: It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not gilded, and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: food being brought in. No I can remember, you know,
Speaker 1: in my heyday when I was, you know, working as
Speaker 1: a daily critic, I would see three in a day.
Speaker 1: You'd have fifteen minutes between the ten am got out
Speaker 1: and the twelve fifteen would start to run down to
Speaker 1: a hot dog stand and bring it back up before
Speaker 1: the next one started. So there's a lot of crinkling
Speaker 1: of papers, and yeah, you're right. It was not like
Speaker 1: this haloed museum, which was part of its charm. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting you mentioned that about the hush reception to
Speaker 1: Grand Budapest Hotel. You know, one of the things I
Speaker 1: do appreciate about these larger screenings we have more often now,
Speaker 1: often with audiences who have won tickets to see it,
Speaker 1: is that there's not that sort of and this didn't
Speaker 1: always happen, but that sort of reserved air of caution
Speaker 1: that would definitely be in that room. And I was
Speaker 1: a part of it. Like you know, especially when you're new,
Speaker 1: you don't want your your reactions to be heard by
Speaker 1: Roger because what if he's not feeling the same, you know,
Speaker 1: So you're dealing with that sort of thing. And I
Speaker 1: think that just kind of became or people just wanted
Speaker 1: to keep their reactions close, you know, not let it known,
Speaker 1: let it be known how they feel about the movie,
Speaker 1: which is maybe one of the downs sides of a
Speaker 1: situation like that compared to a bigger theater where you
Speaker 1: could let loose a little bit. But yet, you know,
Speaker 1: there probably won't be anything like it again, just the
Speaker 1: way media has gone and you know, film film.
Speaker 4: Reviewing and.
Speaker 1: The whole the whole process has changed. There's you know,
Speaker 1: as many influencers as critics at some of these screenings now,
Speaker 1: which is fine, but it's just a different it's a
Speaker 1: whole different experience than what could be had at the
Speaker 1: Lake Street Screening Room for sure.
Speaker 4: Again, we will link to the article in our show notes.
Speaker 4: It is a very interesting read if you're curious to
Speaker 4: check out Richard Roper's piece. We now move on to
Speaker 4: our deeply flawed film spotting poll. It probably is deeply
Speaker 4: flawed because we don't need all of these choices, but
Speaker 4: we're going to give them to you anyway. Your task
Speaker 4: is to choose one and only one Spider Man film.
Speaker 4: I guess that's how we do it. We're applying it's
Speaker 4: unwritten here, but it is implicit that the Incinerator is
Speaker 4: at work here, Josh behind the scenes, and only one
Speaker 4: of these movies survive. So which one is it? In
Speaker 4: chronological order?
Speaker 1: The options are, Yeah, the Incinerator has a generator, so
Speaker 1: it's never offline. Okay, So our option Spider Man two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, Spider Man two from two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: into the Spider Verse, Spider Man Homecoming, and then across
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse. So there's a couple of challenges here.
Speaker 1: We are going to include the option of other as well.
Speaker 1: For you Andrew Garfield fans, there's two things you have
Speaker 1: to decide. Am I going Spider Verse or live action?
Speaker 1: And then among that choice, which live Action or which
Speaker 1: Spider Verse I'm gonna I'm I'm still thinking my way
Speaker 1: through this, so give me, give me twenty seconds or so.
Speaker 4: Do you have Do you have any Yeah, I can
Speaker 4: banter a little bit, but I'm just going to stall
Speaker 4: as well because I've been thinking about this. But I
Speaker 4: was thinking about it before we'd even come to this
Speaker 4: poll question, just as I was doing the top five list,
Speaker 4: because I feel like I'm a little bit on the
Speaker 4: outside when it comes to the conventional wisdom on this,
Speaker 4: and that is that there's a reason why we picked
Speaker 4: for movie Deathmatch, and we did consider what various people
Speaker 4: had to say and consult various lists. There's a reason
Speaker 4: why we picked to represent the live action, we picked
Speaker 4: Spider Man two, and there's a reason why we picked
Speaker 4: into the Spider Verse. Now, part of picking into the
Speaker 4: Spider Verse may have actually had to do with it
Speaker 4: being the first animated one, and so it felt revolutionary,
Speaker 4: and Spider Man two actually felt more like the culmination,
Speaker 4: the pinnacle of what Raymie was doing. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to get into it anymore than that, but that's my
Speaker 4: quick armchair assessment for me, And I want to note
Speaker 4: I have not rewatched, other than scanning scenes for the
Speaker 4: top five. I have not sat and rewatched in one
Speaker 4: sitting fully focused taking notes for a review Spider Man two.
Speaker 4: But I have done that fairly recently with well fairly recently,
Speaker 4: like eight years ago or whenever it was for Spider
Speaker 4: not eight years ago, three years ago four years ago
Speaker 4: for Spider Man, for Spider Man the Original, right, because
Speaker 4: it's twentieth anniversary in twenty twenty two, So that is
Speaker 4: that is lingering in my mind. But my point is
Speaker 4: is that when I think about those first two movies,
Speaker 4: I feel like the conventional wisdom is that Spider Man
Speaker 4: two is the greater achievement and Spider Man the first
Speaker 4: one is the one that is stronger. In my memory.
Speaker 4: There are scenes that are have have stayed with me
Speaker 4: Josh in a greater way, and I feel like it
Speaker 4: it has edged out Spider Man two for me if
Speaker 4: I'm just picking between them. So I'm off on that.
Speaker 4: And here's where I'm off on the animated films, especially
Speaker 4: if you look at which I did, if you look
Speaker 4: back at my notes for those two films, I have
Speaker 4: way more interesting things to say and in my mind,
Speaker 4: deeper things to say about across the Spider Verse than
Speaker 4: I do into the Spider Verse. Across the Spider Verse
Speaker 4: connected with me and resonated with me in a way
Speaker 4: more meaningful way than into the Spider Verse did. Now,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe I just saw it on a better day
Speaker 4: and I was more in tune to what was happening
Speaker 4: and I was paying closer attention, but I can't change
Speaker 4: that I had the deeper reaction to across the Spider Verse.
Speaker 4: So I feel like in both cases, I'm I'm going
Speaker 4: against the grain a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think you're right that consensus would stay, would say
Speaker 1: not overall, But between the live action Spider Man two,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't have a good sense for
Speaker 1: which Spider Verse is considered better. It might be across,
Speaker 1: as you're saying, I'm going to lean on, and I
Speaker 1: know it's not in the language here we just presented,
Speaker 1: but somewhere maybe it was in slack somewhere. I think
Speaker 1: Sam used the word definitive, and I'm latching onto that
Speaker 1: because I found it very helpful. Okay, it's gonna help
Speaker 1: me weave a path towards my choice here. I think
Speaker 1: one of these Spider Verse films are probably better as
Speaker 1: films just in terms of the inventiveness, the craft. The
Speaker 1: and the live action have these, but the level at
Speaker 1: which it's operating inventedness, craft, visual elements, and balance of
Speaker 1: action and humor. One of those is probably the better film.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna stick with definitive and for me, neither
Speaker 1: of those is possible. Those are the movies we need now.
Speaker 1: Where we've been churning our way through superheroes, let alone
Speaker 1: Spider Man for decades. Now, we need those types of
Speaker 1: movies now that are rethinking the entire superhero project in
Speaker 1: very smart and entertaining ways. Not exhaustive ways, which we've
Speaker 1: also seen elsewhere, but definitive for me. I go back
Speaker 1: to the live action and I do as well as
Speaker 1: you go back to the First Spider Man. I just
Speaker 1: think it's where and maybe we should get back to
Speaker 1: our list soon because I think we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: this with one of the picks. It's where what I
Speaker 1: had been waiting for my whole life to see on
Speaker 1: the big screen and hoping they wouldn't mess it up,
Speaker 1: And not only did they not mess it up, but
Speaker 1: they actually made it work. And so that's why I'm
Speaker 1: going to go back to the first First Spider Man.
Speaker 4: That is where I'm going to vote as well. Spider Man,
Speaker 4: we would like to know your thoughts. Can't wait to
Speaker 4: see how this one comes out. You can vote in
Speaker 4: that poll and leave a comment. We'll share your feedback
Speaker 4: here in a couple of weeks. Vote at film spotting
Speaker 4: dot net. Let's do then transition Josh very smoothly back
Speaker 4: into our top five, and honestly based on the conversation
Speaker 4: we just had. I don't know that it could go
Speaker 4: any smoother, at least with my top two picks, but
Speaker 4: we have a listener. Voicemail came in just under the wire,
Speaker 4: and I think it will help us because it will
Speaker 4: make this list feel complete. It will allow us to
Speaker 4: feel like we gave every Spider Man his due. It
Speaker 4: turns out that there is some love for Andrew Garfield
Speaker 4: Spider Man, and it comes from a bona fide expert
Speaker 4: on Spider Man. Let's go ahead and hear the credentials
Speaker 4: and the choice of Drew Jeffries I.
Speaker 5: Film Spotting, longtime listener at Drew Jeffries here. So I
Speaker 5: teach a university class on superhero films. I'm also the
Speaker 5: author of an academic book called Comic Book Film Style,
Speaker 5: but perhaps more pertinention of this week's top five. I
Speaker 5: also have that meme with the two Spider Man pointing
Speaker 5: at each other literally tattooed on my body. I have
Speaker 5: one Spider Man on each sigh. So when I found
Speaker 5: out y'all were doing your top five Spider Man scenes,
Speaker 5: I knew I had to send in a quick note.
Speaker 5: Now I have love for every iteration of Spider Man,
Speaker 5: but the Andrew Garfield of a Stone Amazing Spider Man
Speaker 5: is actually at the top of my list in part.
Speaker 5: I just find their chemistry as a couple to be
Speaker 5: so undeniable. I'd actually put them at number one on
Speaker 5: my personal list of movie couples, full stop.
Speaker 4: And no offense.
Speaker 2: But you're wrong. You're wrong about us being on different paths,
Speaker 2: on different paths from my path.
Speaker 4: And you're always going to be my path.
Speaker 5: But I'm going with a more traditional Spider scene for
Speaker 5: my pick, which is a swing scene across New York's city.
Speaker 5: This one comes towards the end of the movie. Spider's hurt.
Speaker 5: He needs a bit of help to swing over to
Speaker 5: Oscorp to save the day, and wouldn't you know it,
Speaker 5: the cranes reconstructing the city all start slowly turning inward,
Speaker 5: giving our guys something to swing from. Cue the waterworks
Speaker 5: for me. Every damn time superhero movies are so bound
Speaker 5: up with the post nine to eleven moment, But this
Speaker 5: scene really beautifully articulates the United we stand eCos instead
Speaker 5: of just restaging the attacks themselves as movies like Batman
Speaker 5: Begins or The Avengers or A Man of Steel would do. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I can't wait to hear your picks.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, there it is Andrew Garfield, Mark Webb. Spider
Speaker 4: Man's They're not going to come up in any of
Speaker 4: our top two picks, but Drew did get that choice
Speaker 4: in and I don't think you can argue with his credentials.
Speaker 4: I think he makes a compelling choice there. And I
Speaker 4: said it earlier, Josh that even the bad ones, and
Speaker 4: I don't think the Amazing Spider Man the first one
Speaker 4: is necess sssarily one of the bad ones. It may
Speaker 4: not be one of the better ones, but it's not
Speaker 4: a it's not a terrible movie. But it has a
Speaker 4: moment like that, And Drew is right, it has a
Speaker 4: moment like that, a nice visual moment like that where
Speaker 4: those cranes come together and you go, oh, a Spider
Speaker 4: Man movie can give me a nice a nice touch
Speaker 4: like that with that character. And it speaks to what
Speaker 4: you said earlier, that intimate connection between Spider Man and
Speaker 4: the citizenry of New York.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the voicemail, Drew, but where's the photo?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying I don't believe you, but
Speaker 1: when we did our top five tattoos tattoos we would
Speaker 1: get we were flooded with braver souls who have guts
Speaker 1: their movie tattoo tattoos. They would send pictures.
Speaker 4: So it's coming now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's uh talk about something for the film
Speaker 1: Spotting Family Discord can't wait to see it.
Speaker 4: I like it. Thank you address, Yeah, you know the
Speaker 4: email address. We do a cpreciate the feedback. Let's get
Speaker 4: to our final two choices, Josh, your number two Spider
Speaker 4: Man scene.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to praise for two thousand and two's
Speaker 1: Spider Man and it's the upside Down kiss. When I
Speaker 1: started rewatching and researching this pick at him because I
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be on my list, I
Speaker 1: really expected to find out that the scene, or at
Speaker 1: least the image at least this image was pulled from
Speaker 1: a comic book run at one point that I wasn't
Speaker 1: aware of, but apparently not. What I did find was
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two Ringer article that was a deep
Speaker 1: dive just on this scene, written by Jake kring Shriefels,
Speaker 1: and in there they talk. He talks a little bit
Speaker 1: about how the scene came about, doesn't mention that it
Speaker 1: appeared in the comics, a comic run earlier. Maybe a
Speaker 1: listener might know of something similar that they can share.
Speaker 1: We'll link to this as well if you want all
Speaker 1: the details on this deep dive. But basically, the moment
Speaker 1: arose after director Sam Raimi scrap plans to film a
Speaker 1: fairly standard kiss a top Rockefeller Center, and so they
Speaker 1: were looking for another option, and second unit director and
Speaker 1: storyboard artist Doug Leffler thought about some earlier jobs he'd
Speaker 1: been on. Earlier work he had done that featured characters
Speaker 1: falling into the frame, and so that was in his
Speaker 1: mind and he started sketching out possibilities, and he sketched
Speaker 1: out the basics for this scene. So this is Toby
Speaker 1: Maguire's Peter lowering himself next to Kristen Dunns Mary Jane
Speaker 1: in this rainy alley.
Speaker 2: You have a knack for getting in trouble.
Speaker 3: You have a knack for saving my life.
Speaker 1: I think I had a superhero stocker. I was in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and I can't really say much better why
Speaker 1: this works than what kring Shreefels does in this article.
Speaker 1: So let me quote here. If this is in the
Speaker 1: Ringer within the context of the story, the scene is
Speaker 1: a cathartic release for Peter Parker, a rare opportunity to
Speaker 1: embrace his dual identity and be vulnerable with the girl
Speaker 1: he loves. On a much larger scale, It's one of
Speaker 1: the most iconic and romantic kisses in Hollywood history. A
Speaker 1: unique and asymmetrical composition of rain soaked interlocked lips, never
Speaker 1: seen before on the big screen. So I have this
Speaker 1: at number two. I do think this is another element
Speaker 1: of the character, is the romantic nature. And the only
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about Brand New Day is that is
Speaker 1: definitely explored. If this is something you love about the
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Peter Parker character, that is definitely explored
Speaker 1: in the new movie in Brand New Day. What that
Speaker 1: means for this iteration of the character. But here, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is the composition and what it means in terms
Speaker 1: of character. And you have when you think of this
Speaker 1: in terms of all the versions of Spider Man, it
Speaker 1: is such a unique I mean, this idea of a
Speaker 1: Spider Man and so many unique visual possibilities. It would
Speaker 1: be easy to just stop there and say the things
Speaker 1: we started with as kids, like wouldn't it be cool
Speaker 1: to see him swinging across the screen? We got it,
Speaker 1: We're good. But to take that next step and imagine
Speaker 1: ways for those visual possibilities to echo thematic ideas, to
Speaker 1: echo emotional beats, to capture character qualities. That's when you're
Speaker 1: really working at a higher level of artistry, and in
Speaker 1: a single shot, really, I mean, there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on here that goes into this. I think Kirsten Duntz
Speaker 1: makes this a pretty sexy scene in the way she
Speaker 1: plays it actually, so the actors are definitely involved in
Speaker 1: making this work, but just in a single shot in
Speaker 1: the framing, to be able to invest it, infuse it
Speaker 1: with so much emotion and thematic purpose for me, makes it,
Speaker 1: you know, could easily be the number one for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, probably their number one Spider Man Scener moment.
Speaker 1: I have it here at number two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tough not to put on my list. It's an
Speaker 4: honorable mention, It's what I was trying to say. Or
Speaker 4: we'll go back to with your number five. I believe
Speaker 4: the stopping the train moment there are some moments, there
Speaker 4: are reasons why you consider them Mount Rushmore type moments.
Speaker 4: They belong on that list. And from the Train, Josh,
Speaker 4: it's not just them them holding him, but even when
Speaker 4: he when he faints in their their hands right, hold him,
Speaker 4: hold him up. And and here that that image is
Speaker 4: so vivid, and and I understand why the Ringer has
Speaker 4: devoted an entire article to it. I think for a
Speaker 4: lot of people, You're right, it probably is the number
Speaker 4: one scene that said everything you just articulated about it
Speaker 4: in terms of composition being so important and taking the
Speaker 4: unique visual possibilities of a spider Cara so perfectly. Even better,
Speaker 4: I think applies to my number two. It's like the
Speaker 4: filmmakers here in Spider Man Across the Spider Verse said
Speaker 4: let's take that moment, and maybe they did, Josh, because
Speaker 4: it also involves characters who are upside down. They took
Speaker 4: that moment and said, how can we extend this even more?
Speaker 4: Extend the emotional and thematic possibilities of that imagery. And
Speaker 4: when you think about these films, so the moment is
Speaker 4: Miles and Gwen at the Williamsburg clock Tower in Across
Speaker 4: the Spider Verse. In both of the films. There's plenty
Speaker 4: of examples of impressive animation, thrilling imagery, great action moments,
Speaker 4: but also just great compositions where you recognize the artists
Speaker 4: responsible for these films are elevating the craft and as
Speaker 4: you said earlier talking about the poll questions, that maybe
Speaker 4: in some ways these are even just better films. But
Speaker 4: for me, the single scene that best harnesses those capabilities
Speaker 4: is this scene. It's a reunion scene. It's been I
Speaker 4: think like a year and a half since these two
Speaker 4: characters last saw each other, so they're catching up, they're
Speaker 4: feeling each other out, but they also know each other
Speaker 4: so well. They know each other in a way like
Speaker 4: great friends do, and people who are connected the way
Speaker 4: they are, they know each other uniquely. There's also that
Speaker 4: other dynamic at play where Miles has a crush on Gwen.
Speaker 4: Daniel Pemberton's score is so lovely. During this sequence, they're
Speaker 4: high above the city. They're in this fantasy sort of realm,
Speaker 4: and everything about it captures the way you feel when
Speaker 4: you're seeing someone special to you who you haven't seen
Speaker 4: in a long time. And the director justsic Kay Thompson,
Speaker 4: he seems to want to keep it grounded in character.
Speaker 4: It's not about showing off with the animation, but it
Speaker 4: is about trying to heighten that that sensation, this fantasy
Speaker 4: sort of feeling, this special feeling that these two characters
Speaker 4: have when they're together. And the first time we see them,
Speaker 4: it is kind of subtle, right because they're they're vertical
Speaker 4: in the frame. The first time we see them together,
Speaker 4: it feels like a normal shot. So you and your
Speaker 4: dead it's a little off because the horizon is also vertical,
Speaker 4: and we're not used to seeing horizons be vertical, and
Speaker 4: we can kind of start to put together that, oh,
Speaker 4: they must be walking sideways in a way that only
Speaker 4: characters like they could do. And then when Gwen starts
Speaker 4: walking backwards along the dome and we with the camera
Speaker 4: follow her, almost like we're on a roller coaster, but
Speaker 4: a gentle roller coaster that's going over the edge with her.
Speaker 4: It's one of those kind of take your breath away moments,
Speaker 4: but not again, not in a roller coaster drop. Take
Speaker 4: your breath away just kind of eases you into it.
Speaker 4: It's it's really something. And then there's that incredible one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty degree move that that follows her as
Speaker 4: she moves to the underside of the ledge and she's
Speaker 4: standing upside down, and I honestly just love the tilt up.
Speaker 4: Then that we get where Miles is standing on top
Speaker 4: and she's sitting up upside down, and it's still keeping
Speaker 4: some distance between them, because I think it's still about
Speaker 4: he is still trying to figure out how to kind
Speaker 4: of move into her space and how to fully reconnect
Speaker 4: with each other. So there's still some distance between them.
Speaker 4: But then he does move closer and he joins her,
Speaker 4: and they spend the next the next few minutes together
Speaker 4: talking while sitting upside down.
Speaker 2: Just a really emotionally intelligent guy beyond my years.
Speaker 4: Some of the lines of dialogue in that scene while
Speaker 4: they're sitting there or just about to sit there together,
Speaker 4: I think, really explain the motivation for the sequence and
Speaker 4: the way it's portrayed. At one point, Miles says, well,
Speaker 4: maybe some things are supposed to be just for us,
Speaker 4: and she says, how many people could you talk to
Speaker 4: about this stuff? Speaking to again that special connection, how
Speaker 4: they are Obviously they're different, and there aren't there aren't
Speaker 4: a lot of people who have their special skills and
Speaker 4: they need each other and if they are, then these
Speaker 4: types of figures who are going to have an experience
Speaker 4: that are just the experience is just for them, and
Speaker 4: they're going to talk about things that only they can
Speaker 4: talk about. Well, it makes sense that they would do
Speaker 4: it in an environment, in in a way that only
Speaker 4: they can do, that only they can have, in a
Speaker 4: moment that only they can share, which is them high
Speaker 4: above the city sitting upside down. So the whole sequence
Speaker 4: for me evokes that that they're having together, this singular
Speaker 4: experience that is just for them, and then because of that,
Speaker 4: we as viewers, it almost feels like a privilege that
Speaker 4: we get to be a part of it. It feels
Speaker 4: that intimate that we get to sit there and listen
Speaker 4: in on the conversation that they get to have. I
Speaker 4: did find a place, Josh where the production designer said,
Speaker 4: and I should find his full name. His last name's O'Keefe.
Speaker 4: But he talks about the artist Peter Chan, who did
Speaker 4: the majority of work on the sequence. He says, he
Speaker 4: did such a fantastic job. Peters an artist that we
Speaker 4: traditionally use for the most colorful scenes possible because he
Speaker 4: has this ability to handle a wide variety of colors
Speaker 4: for the scene, however, I challenged him to work with
Speaker 4: a more limited palette and pay very close attention to
Speaker 4: the sensitivity of the sequence. There are lots and lots
Speaker 4: of very subtle but huge shifts happening here. The city
Speaker 4: never feels too flat or boring. Although it feels magical
Speaker 4: and romantic, it's not telling you directly. The visuals are
Speaker 4: letting you feel the romanticism of the moment quietly, and
Speaker 4: I think that I think that does get to part
Speaker 4: of why that scene works. Again, for all of its showiness,
Speaker 4: in some way, if you think about the way the
Speaker 4: camera is following the characters and that upside down things
Speaker 4: are happening, it is so quiet at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, it is still such a quiet, beautiful scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a real sunset seeping through the cloud
Speaker 1: sense of the color here that that quote brings to mind.
Speaker 1: If listeners have not seen this scene, you really got
Speaker 1: to check it out. We'll link to it in our
Speaker 1: show notes, as we will for I think all the
Speaker 1: scenes for our picks, because it's kind of hard to describe, right,
Speaker 1: but for all the reasons you laid out, and a
Speaker 1: few more are get to this is why I have
Speaker 1: being Upside Down with Spider Gwen as my number one.
Speaker 1: I have it ahead of the Kiss. It's just mesmerizing
Speaker 1: and moving. Astute listeners will also remember I had it
Speaker 1: actually as my most moving moment at our twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three rap party, and so obviously it was going to
Speaker 1: be on this list. It was just a matter of
Speaker 1: where do I rank it with the others, and once
Speaker 1: I watched all of them again, I had to put
Speaker 1: it at the top. I do think to your point
Speaker 1: about the dialogue SHIMIEK Moore as Miles Here and Hailey
Speaker 1: Steinfeld as Spider Gwen, I do think they're giving really
Speaker 1: good performances, and the character animation with him moving his
Speaker 1: hands slightly towards her is just so astute. So in
Speaker 1: terms of performance, it's wonderful, But it really is a
Speaker 1: lot of what you were talking about, the visuals accentuating
Speaker 1: those emotions. I even like. I think the only thing
Speaker 1: I'll mention that you didn't I don't think you mentioned
Speaker 1: Gwen's ponytail. How she puts her hair in a ponytail
Speaker 1: at the start, but then when the whole screen flips,
Speaker 1: essentially she looks like she's sitting upright, but her ponytail
Speaker 1: is poking way up in the air because of gravity, right.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's clever. It's also orientating for us
Speaker 1: as the audience is It's like, it's okay, it's functional,
Speaker 1: but also like really kind of funny and cute. And
Speaker 1: then and then to have the skyline in the background
Speaker 1: be upside down with that happening, it's like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: I really I what's happening here? But okay, I think
Speaker 1: I know what's happening here, and your brain is is
Speaker 1: registering all that and it does, you know, it's dizzying
Speaker 1: and oddly beautiful, but it does speak to what you're
Speaker 1: talking about their unique experiences. These are two teens whose
Speaker 1: worlds have been completely upended literally and you know, thematically
Speaker 1: turned upside down, and this is what they're talking about here,
Speaker 1: the stresses, the pressures of these having these power and
Speaker 1: what it means for their family relationships and their personal relationships,
Speaker 1: and to yeah, to have that represented by the imagery alone,
Speaker 1: I really, you know, I didn't think the movies could
Speaker 1: find a way to top the comic book cool and
Speaker 1: emotionality of The Upside Down Kiss, But I think this.
Speaker 1: I think this scene from across the Spider Verse manages it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, number one for me.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm proving here why I did pick Spider
Speaker 4: Man two thousand and two though as my definitive Spider
Speaker 4: Man in the poll question, because when it came down
Speaker 4: to going with a number one scene, I did resort
Speaker 4: back to Sam Raimi's two thousand and two Spider Man
Speaker 4: and I went with Peter discovering his powers. And I
Speaker 4: do think there's a lot here, Josh in the scene
Speaker 4: that it reflects here again Sam Raimi's sensibilities as a
Speaker 4: director and how he applies them to this character. Why
Speaker 4: these movies work so well, Starting with Peter looking down
Speaker 4: at his hand and that extreme close up of his
Speaker 4: fingertips with the microscopic hairs, it literally makes his superpowers tactile,
Speaker 4: which is something we complain about, is these superhero movies
Speaker 4: not feeling that way, not feeling real, not feeling tangible.
Speaker 4: Here's where I said I was going to maybe mention
Speaker 4: the Amazing Spider Man two again, the movie I needed
Speaker 4: to catch up with, and I watched it as my
Speaker 4: last film so I could cross off all these Spider
Speaker 4: Man movies it's definitely the worst of all of them.
Speaker 4: I would say, without revisiting all of them, I would
Speaker 4: say it's the worst of them. And I bring it
Speaker 4: up in this context, Josh, because with my respects to
Speaker 4: our listener Drew, who said is that these movies on
Speaker 4: the whole work and that he really likes Gwen and
Speaker 4: Peter as Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield portray them. I
Speaker 4: don't really have a problem with them, but I did
Speaker 4: spend most of the movie making that face. Dennis Leary
Speaker 4: makes the whole movie when he appears as the ghost
Speaker 4: of Policemen Past, who just appears every now and again
Speaker 4: with that scolding face.
Speaker 1: Where he just got about him.
Speaker 4: He just appears and scowls at I hope he got
Speaker 4: paid well to do that, like for just one day
Speaker 4: of work, just stand in front of a green screen
Speaker 4: or whatever and scowl at Tom Holland or nobody. He
Speaker 4: was probably scowling it or not Tom Holland Andrew Garfield,
Speaker 4: he probably was scowling at nobody. I do hope Dennis
Speaker 4: Leary got paid well for that day. That's how I
Speaker 4: felt mostly disappointed watching this movie. And my biggest disappointment
Speaker 4: was maybe that at no point did I feel not
Speaker 4: just during the set pieces, the major set pieces, but
Speaker 4: during any single moment of Spider Man being Spider Man.
Speaker 4: At no point did I feel like I believed it.
Speaker 4: At every turn, the effects jolted me out of my
Speaker 4: suspension of disbelief. It felt like they had to apply
Speaker 4: some kind of computer, computerized moment, computer generated effect at
Speaker 4: every single leap or wall climb, whatever it was, and
Speaker 4: it took me out of it at every turn. And
Speaker 4: here Rainy is signaling to you, these hands are about
Speaker 4: to walk up the wall and you're gonna watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be great. This is a fun sequence. It's
Speaker 4: a funny sequence, but I think it's so memorable in
Speaker 4: part two because of the layers that Raymie brings to it.
Speaker 4: You don't need a PhD in child psychology to read
Speaker 4: Spider Man as a metaphor for puberty and adolescents with
Speaker 4: sudden physical transformations and the way that can be scary
Speaker 4: for young boys. And not surprisingly with Rainy, this sequence
Speaker 4: starts with some ominousness. It's in this dark kind of
Speaker 4: alley out of the sun, and he looks up and
Speaker 4: sees the Spider in the web crawling around and there's
Speaker 4: barbed wire right next to it, and the Danny Elfman
Speaker 4: score even heightens that a little bit. And then when
Speaker 4: Peter initially starts crawling up the wall slowly, it doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like this joyous thing. It actually feels like something
Speaker 4: out of a horror movie where a scary monster starts
Speaker 4: crawling slowly toward the main character and then picks up speed.
Speaker 4: But then once he fully realizes what he can do,
Speaker 4: that's where the excitement begins. And I suppose watching that sequence, Josh,
Speaker 4: the only part for me watching it again multiple times
Speaker 4: you could be really nitpicky about is how real a
Speaker 4: couple of those jumps felt from the aerial shots. But
Speaker 4: otherwise I bought every single amazing move Peter pulls off. There.
Speaker 4: It completely holds up, and the webs and the webs
Speaker 4: slinging feel real and don't feel like any kind of
Speaker 4: computer generated effect. He's a kid, acting like a kid
Speaker 4: like you believe a kid would act, discovering these powers
Speaker 4: and going back to where we began. Every single one
Speaker 4: of us who aspired to be Spider Man, who dreamed
Speaker 4: about this moment, suddenly actually getting bitten by the radioactive
Speaker 4: Spider that when we put on our under roofs and thought,
Speaker 4: if only I could actually sling webs and crawl up
Speaker 4: the walls. In this moment, Raymie brought that to life
Speaker 4: for us. He delivered the confusion but also the exhilaration
Speaker 4: that we imagined when we were kids, and I suppose
Speaker 4: that is a big part of why it will always
Speaker 4: be this movie. That scene in particular, that's a big
Speaker 4: reason why this will be the diff of Spider Man
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching this in a press screening. Wasn't
Speaker 1: at the Lake Street screening room, but in a press screening,
Speaker 1: and my immediate reaction when this scene happened was they
Speaker 1: did it because you'd been hearing about this movie being
Speaker 1: in development for so long and I didn't know if
Speaker 1: it could work until we saw the scene of Peter
Speaker 1: actually trying out his powers and they pulled it off.
Speaker 1: It absolutely worked. It was thrilling, it was funny as
Speaker 1: the character should be. All the things you said, it's
Speaker 1: my number six, it's you know, the top honorable mention
Speaker 1: for me. I think it captures the genial enthusiasm, which
Speaker 1: is a core trade of the character as well. Sometimes
Speaker 1: some of these movies try a little too hard to
Speaker 1: force that into fights here and there, but it's perfect
Speaker 1: for this sequence where Peter's response is yes, confused, maybe
Speaker 1: a little nervous, but mostly this genial enthusiasm. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned the Elphan score. The best part of it is
Speaker 1: when he starts crawling up that wall, the way the
Speaker 1: music inches the wall with him with him. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just just a really great scene and my top honorable mention.
Speaker 4: Those are our top five Spider Man scenes. We would
Speaker 4: love to hear your picks or any other comments about
Speaker 4: the show. You can email us feedback at film spotting
Speaker 4: dot net. Once again, you can find all of our
Speaker 4: choices and links to the scenes at film spotting dot
Speaker 4: net just by clicking on lists right there at the
Speaker 4: top of the page. Josh, you did list one of
Speaker 4: your honorable mentions for us already. Do you have any
Speaker 4: others you would like to throw in?
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I should give a bone to
Speaker 1: the Andrew Garfield fans. I mean, you know, Drew Drew
Speaker 1: came to his defense, but you've just you've been scared
Speaker 1: by your your amazing Spider Graw experience. So how about this?
Speaker 1: And it speaks to some of the things we've been
Speaker 1: talking about. But in The Amazing Spider Man, there's a
Speaker 1: rescue sequence where Spider Man convinces a kid who is
Speaker 1: is in a car that's dangling from a bridge and
Speaker 1: he's trying to convince him to climb out and you know,
Speaker 1: come to him, come to safety, and the kid is scared,
Speaker 1: and what he does to convince him is he takes
Speaker 1: his masks and gives it to the kid and says,
Speaker 1: it'll make you strong. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a really nice moment that also speaks to the
Speaker 1: intimacy that we've touched on. So I would say that
Speaker 1: for the Andrew Garfield run, I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the Spider Men reunion that takes place in
Speaker 1: Spider Man No Way Home. I think that's not a
Speaker 1: super successful I mean I liked it okay, but a
Speaker 1: super successful Spider Man movie. And maybe it's a little
Speaker 1: hokey that all of the previous Spider Man come to
Speaker 1: join Tom Holland. But if you are a completist or
Speaker 1: you have a long history with this character, I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I mean what they asked the actors to do is
Speaker 1: kind of lame, but the idea is cool enough. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's say that the opening of Spider Man Across
Speaker 1: the Universe is essentially a mini Spider Gwen movie, and
Speaker 1: it's wonderful. You talked about the color work in the
Speaker 1: scene we both picked with Miles and Spider Gwen. But this,
Speaker 1: I think of that sequence where she's having that fight
Speaker 1: with her father and the background walls just start dripping
Speaker 1: like water colors. Incredible. Yeah, I think I'll go with
Speaker 1: those for my honorable mentions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have covered a lot of the same ground.
Speaker 4: Because I already mentioned to the run your list the
Speaker 4: upside down kiss scene stopping the train Spider Gwen was
Speaker 4: one that stood out to me that opening.
Speaker 5: And you know what I do.
Speaker 4: Or I am willing to give a nod to Peters
Speaker 4: reuniting in the latest Spider Man movie. Which one is
Speaker 4: that again? No Way Home? Is that what we're calling that?
Speaker 4: No Way Home? Yes? From twenty twenty one. In terms
Speaker 4: of one or two, the didn't mention. I do have
Speaker 4: a moment that I called out during our Spider Man conversation,
Speaker 4: our twenty year anniversary conversation where Aunt May chides Willem Dafoe,
Speaker 4: who I think is great, chides Willem Dafoe's Norman Osborne.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly what he says, but he says
Speaker 4: something that she gives him a little slap on the wrist,
Speaker 4: and the way she does it and the way he
Speaker 4: reacts to it he doesn't like. He doesn't like the
Speaker 4: way she puts him in his place he's not used to.
Speaker 4: That is really is really great into the Spider verse.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is one of those iconic Mount Rushmore moments,
Speaker 4: perhaps as well, but the Leap of Faith is another
Speaker 4: great visual and and thematic moment as well. I thought, Josh,
Speaker 4: that I would and I did the research here. I
Speaker 4: thought that I would be able to find something from
Speaker 4: This was going to be my off the beaten path surprise,
Speaker 4: Josh Pick. You know you went with the I should
Speaker 4: have known it was coming now. It's a trend. But
Speaker 4: just as you went with the theme music or the
Speaker 4: opening theme moment, I thought, here's where I'm gonna surprise Josh.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna even though this isn't that risky here or whatever,
Speaker 4: that much of a surprise, I'm gonna go with a
Speaker 4: Spider Man moment from one of the Avengers movies or Captain.
Speaker 1: I thought about that, Yeah, right.
Speaker 4: And I went back and watched every scene I could
Speaker 4: get my hand on. I thought, surely one of these scenes,
Speaker 4: the relationship between him and Tony Stark, they have such
Speaker 4: a bond, fun that they have such a bond, And
Speaker 4: and and who doesn't love Tony Stark? Who doesn't love
Speaker 4: Robert Downey Jr. I'm I'm surely going to find a
Speaker 4: scene that I love. It's gonna jog my memory and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna feel like I have to put
Speaker 4: this in my top five. And not only did I
Speaker 4: not find a scene from Civil War or Infinity War
Speaker 4: or Endgame that made my top five. I this is
Speaker 4: the honorable mention I'm giving it is that I really
Speaker 4: couldn't find one, a single scene from any of those movies.
Speaker 1: Joshua is that he does appear in the Avengers.
Speaker 4: He appears in those movies. So maybe that's some feedback
Speaker 4: I'm I'm looking for from listeners in general. But you
Speaker 4: can give us any feedback on the list, But specifically,
Speaker 4: is there something Is there a key scene from many
Speaker 4: of those and I know I know there's there's the
Speaker 4: death scene, and there's the there's the life. But those
Speaker 4: don't stand out to me.
Speaker 1: In the moment and in the context. I think they're
Speaker 1: I think they're very effective. I think his return is
Speaker 1: quite moving, and I think his presence what he brings
Speaker 1: just even as a character to that battle scene, it's
Speaker 1: like at an airport or something like that. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in Civil War, I think is a nice there's some
Speaker 1: nice levity there with what else we're getting. So I
Speaker 1: think he's quite good and a welcome presence in all
Speaker 1: those movies. I just didn't have anything from them that
Speaker 1: could rival, you know, the ricks that we made.
Speaker 4: Okay, what's again our top five Spider Man scenes? Email
Speaker 4: us yours feedback at film spotting dot net, Josh, that's
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Speaker 4: Out in limited release this weekend is I Want Your Sex,
Speaker 4: the new movie from director Greg Araki, with Olivia Wilde
Speaker 4: and Cooper Hoffman. Friend of the show, Mitchell bo Pray
Speaker 4: at Letterbox says, a rocky, sex filled riff on something
Speaker 4: like The Lady Eve or Ball of Fire. Okay, I
Speaker 4: was interested, now at more interested. Boyhood is being re
Speaker 4: released unfortunately only in Alamo drafthouse theaters and other independent chains.
Speaker 4: It does say, other independent chains, but not one near me. Josh,
Speaker 4: I can't see that beloved film of mine back in theaters.
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Speaker 4: and you can't say this isn't intriguing. What if Roy
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a few minutes, take a.
Speaker 4: Minute to process that one. Okay, we know Roy Anderson's
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Speaker 4: is spider Man brand new day, So next week you
Speaker 4: can't expect more Spider Man talk. We will get to
Speaker 4: the latest Spider Man movie starring Tom Holland next week.
Speaker 4: In the Film Spotting Feed, that's our show on Friday
Speaker 4: Monday is episode three of the movie Deathmatch. It is
Speaker 4: a lot of spidery. Sorry, hopefully you'll be interested. Great
Speaker 4: conversation though, Matt Singer and Daisy Rosario about spider Man
Speaker 4: two and into the spider Verse. See which one gets
Speaker 4: crowned the definitive Spider Man movie. It's going to be
Speaker 4: one of those two. Host Chris Klemack has to be
Speaker 4: the judge and make that tough call and Josh, that's
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah they do. They do deserve a break.
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