Speaker 1: In Case You Missed It with Christina Williams is an
Speaker 1: iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports
Speaker 1: and Entertainment. Hey, y'all, welcome to In Case You Missed
Speaker 1: It with Christina Williams. And I know it's been a
Speaker 1: little bit of time, but I'm so happy to be
Speaker 1: back and on this special edition of In Case You
Speaker 1: Missed It. This is going to be a very, very
Speaker 1: fun conversation with my girls, Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster Brasby,
Speaker 1: hosts of Levels to this podcast on Iheartwomen's Sports Network. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun with this episode. We
Speaker 1: recorded it live from NBA All Star in San Francisco
Speaker 1: at Club thirty in partnership with Stephen Curry's Unanimous Media Company,
Speaker 1: and it was a lot of fun to bring women's
Speaker 1: sports to NBA All Star. The conversation is on the
Speaker 1: topic of knowing who you are, and it was really
Speaker 1: inspired by a dinner that Cheryl trikan I had the
Speaker 1: previous night before we recorded the conversation. Not going to
Speaker 1: get into that because you have to listen to the episode,
Speaker 1: but I think that this is an important conversation, especially
Speaker 1: as women in a male dominated space as black women
Speaker 1: in the sports industry. I think that you know this
Speaker 1: conversation is something that needed to be had, and I
Speaker 1: know this isn't like the typical In Case You Missed
Speaker 1: the episodes with the news and headlines, but I think
Speaker 1: that you will truly truly enjoy this discussion. So without
Speaker 1: further ado, here's this episode of In Case You Missed
Speaker 1: It with Christina Williams, and it's crossing over with The
Speaker 1: Levels to This podcast featuring Chryl Swoops and Tarika Foster Brasby.
Speaker 2: Good morning or good afternoon. I don't know what time
Speaker 2: it is. I'm still on East Coast time, so out
Speaker 2: of my head it's afternoon, but it could very well
Speaker 2: be morning.
Speaker 3: But we're here. Give a round of a boss for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you for being here. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: I am Tureka Foster Brasby, host of the Levels to
Speaker 2: this podcast, and I am incited to have.
Speaker 3: Because I was to say it and I said, oh no,
Speaker 3: she wants to introduce herself. I'm Christina Williams.
Speaker 1: I'm a host of In Case You miss It with
Speaker 1: Christina Williams.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, so I'm not even gonna let you look
Speaker 4: at me, because I'm getting the eyes and I am
Speaker 4: Cheryl Swoops. I co host levels to this with the
Speaker 4: one and only Tik across the Bras.
Speaker 2: The Cheryl Swoops time champion, the three time Olympian. Don't
Speaker 2: play on her name?
Speaker 3: Did you know who she is? Do you know? Stop
Speaker 3: it stopping.
Speaker 2: We're very excited to be here today at NBA All Star.
Speaker 3: We are looking for.
Speaker 2: A good day of fun and a good day of
Speaker 2: excitement for the fans. But you know what, I'll be
Speaker 2: the first to tell you guys that sometimes it is
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to be in these spaces because you have
Speaker 2: moments where people recognize you. They recognize you from the podcast,
Speaker 2: they recognize you from the different things that you do.
Speaker 3: I know you guys have people who recognize you all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: And there are moments where you're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I just kind of want to chill a little bit, right,
Speaker 2: Like I want to have a drink. I want to
Speaker 2: kick back, put my feet up, dance a little bit,
Speaker 2: shake a little something something. And then there are times
Speaker 2: where it's like you feel like maybe you can't do
Speaker 2: that because you don't want people who see you or
Speaker 2: envision you in a certain way to then look at
Speaker 2: you differently or have things to say because they only
Speaker 2: see you a certain way and they don't give you
Speaker 2: an opportunity to kind of be yourself and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2: And so today we're kind of gonna talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about what it means to balance.
Speaker 3: Being who you are and what you do and.
Speaker 2: How those two things are completely separate. And Christina, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start with you because we had a moment recently
Speaker 2: where we were like, Hey, we're gonna go out, We're
Speaker 2: gonna have fun, but then was just a little bit
Speaker 2: of reservation. And I think one thing, one thing that
Speaker 2: reminds me of that is even like the women who
Speaker 2: we cover in the WNBA, and how there are moments
Speaker 2: where we see them on the court, we see what
Speaker 2: they do, we see how they ball, and then we
Speaker 2: have to remind ourselves, and maybe not us, but like
Speaker 2: people have to remind themselves, like what you are and
Speaker 2: what you do on the court is not necessarily what
Speaker 2: you are and who you are off the court, in
Speaker 2: your personal life and your personal endeavors. And so I'll
Speaker 2: start with you and go around a shurel about what
Speaker 2: it means to try to find a balance.
Speaker 3: Okay, we gotta go there. We are absolutely going there.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, last night was a really real experience for me
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm still very new in this space,
Speaker 1: although I've been in it for about seven eight years,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of me wants to protect who
Speaker 1: I am, that public facing image versus my private life,
Speaker 1: and so I did. I did have reservations about going
Speaker 1: out last night and people seeing me outside of work,
Speaker 1: the work environment, and I guess it's something you're laughing, Shuryl,
Speaker 1: But it's real.
Speaker 5: It's real.
Speaker 1: But no, it's just something that I'm learning to balance.
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not
Speaker 1: there yet. You're just still learning learning how to navigate it,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: And Errol, for you having literally so much of your
Speaker 2: life public right with being a superstar athlete, with literally
Speaker 2: somebody can pick up Google and feel like they can
Speaker 2: find everything about you.
Speaker 3: You know, how do you, in your own.
Speaker 2: Way trying to find a balance of you being Churl
Speaker 2: the basketball player, the Hall of Famer, and then you
Speaker 2: just being Churro from Texas, from West Texas. I, first
Speaker 2: of all, I think it's hard because I think if
Speaker 2: you ask even people in the room, is.
Speaker 4: It fair to say that what you do at work,
Speaker 4: in your workplace, on the court or whatever, you have
Speaker 4: to be that same person outside of work. Personally, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's fair because what I do outside of
Speaker 4: my job should be able. I should be able to
Speaker 4: be me. And I think one of the biggest issues
Speaker 4: with that though, when people are trying to portray you
Speaker 4: as being like, oh my gosh, he or she they're
Speaker 4: like on all the time and they're great, and they're
Speaker 4: this and that, Like, I think you give a false
Speaker 4: sense to little kids growing up of everything's perfect, everything's great,
Speaker 4: because it's not. Do we always make the right choices?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Do we always make the right decision?
Speaker 3: No, So I think it's.
Speaker 4: Unfair to have those expectations. But for myself personally, like
Speaker 4: it or not fair or unfair, I always know that
Speaker 4: there's somebody somewhere watching me just to see am I
Speaker 4: going to f up? So they can be able to
Speaker 4: go and say, you see, she did mess up. And
Speaker 4: I'll be the first to say, yeah, I do make mistakes,
Speaker 4: But I try to be very cognizant of my surroundings
Speaker 4: where I'm at what I'm doing, because I know people
Speaker 4: are always going to judge, even though that's not our
Speaker 4: place to do that. But I always want to have
Speaker 4: that not a perfect image, but I always want to
Speaker 4: be that person where when especially little girls, when they
Speaker 4: look at me, they can say, you know what, like,
Speaker 4: I'm real. I'm just going to be a real person
Speaker 4: regardless of where I'm at, what I'm doing, and I
Speaker 4: want to be able to show that to them and
Speaker 4: to let them know that it is okay to not
Speaker 4: always be right.
Speaker 3: It's okay to not always be on.
Speaker 4: I think we put way too much pressure on our
Speaker 4: cells at times to do that.
Speaker 3: Can I shake the table a little bit? Shake it.
Speaker 2: I'm about to shake the table, the hair up in
Speaker 2: the shaped table a little bit, shake, shake, shake.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think men have that expectation?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not like like y'all have no idea how they
Speaker 2: don't you have it at I don't think so. Like
Speaker 2: you can lose all your hair and you will still
Speaker 2: be considered that guy, you know what I mean? You
Speaker 2: can gain weight, yes, and no one's gonna say I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna date that, yeah, because he's gained We like
Speaker 2: y'all are just y'all, if we put on two pounds
Speaker 2: hundred percent officially become the worst people in the world.
Speaker 2: And we're overweight and we're obese. If we lose a
Speaker 2: single strand of hair, we all of a sudden have
Speaker 2: now missed the societal standards of what beauty looks like.
Speaker 2: And so if we go out and have too much
Speaker 2: to drink and get caught on social media, then it's, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, woman, thou aren't loosed like what in the world, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's it's so interesting, how And this isn't
Speaker 2: to play the gender card, but it is to just
Speaker 2: demonstrate just how much more difficult it is at times
Speaker 2: to balance your personality and your profession. And I think
Speaker 2: that's relatable in any case, Like even when we have
Speaker 2: to sometimes code switch, right, like we have to sometimes
Speaker 2: you know, I can hit you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and I have past because you know, I can absolutely
Speaker 2: have a conversation with my friends, and there are certain
Speaker 2: terms and things that I can say with my friends
Speaker 2: that I can't necessarily say at work, and not because
Speaker 2: those things are bad, but just because the perception of
Speaker 2: it is just so different, right, And I just I
Speaker 2: think it's important to put an emphasis on just how
Speaker 2: difficult that can be sometimes. But you know, for both
Speaker 2: of you and whoever wants to answer can answer. Are
Speaker 2: there moments where you're just like, for lack of better terms,
Speaker 2: f it like I don't care you know what someone's
Speaker 2: gonna say, or like you knows it. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do this, I'm gonna put on this outfit, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Wear this week. I'm gonna save.
Speaker 2: This line because it's just it is who it is.
Speaker 2: And if someone else doesn't have the ability to compartmentalize
Speaker 2: me personally versus me professionally, like that's with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I have found though that.
Speaker 4: The older I get, the more I get to a
Speaker 4: point of the I really don't care that idea because
Speaker 4: but you know why, because I sleep very well at night,
Speaker 4: and and what I mean by that is I'm I'm
Speaker 4: genuinely a really good person. I treat people well, just.
Speaker 3: Don't come at me sideways.
Speaker 4: And so because of that, I yeah, I just feel
Speaker 4: like we as a society, we just worry about other
Speaker 4: people's business too much at times, and we're not we're
Speaker 4: not allowed to have our own. I can't have my
Speaker 4: my own thoughts and opinions, Like you feel like, not
Speaker 4: you personally, but you feel like you should be able
Speaker 4: to tell me what my own opinion should be about something, right,
Speaker 4: And so instead of going back and forth with people
Speaker 4: about whatever it is, I just get to a point
Speaker 4: to where I'm like, you know what, whatever, you got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just chime in on that of course.
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously we're public facing figures right in
Speaker 1: the media space and the sports space as.
Speaker 3: A Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: How much do you think social media and parasocial relationships
Speaker 1: factor into those expectations?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: My god, so much?
Speaker 2: Like there are so funny story My husband doesn't like
Speaker 2: so like he is cool with social media, but he
Speaker 2: don't really like social.
Speaker 3: Media at all.
Speaker 2: Right, Like if you look on his on his social pages,
Speaker 2: it's nothing but like memes, jokes and the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 2: Like that's it.
Speaker 3: That's why you're gonna see.
Speaker 2: I almost didn't even know it was him because he
Speaker 2: changed his profile picture to Jalen Hurts, and I was like,
Speaker 2: who is this?
Speaker 3: Who is this person?
Speaker 2: But he doesn't like social Me on the other hand,
Speaker 2: part of it is because of my job that I
Speaker 2: have to continually be on social media and have to
Speaker 2: continually post. But also because I think social is what
Speaker 2: you make it, right, It's a negative place if you
Speaker 2: make it and you allow it to be a negative place.
Speaker 2: I don't allow it to be a negative space for me.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, because I post about, you know, family,
Speaker 2: husband things like that. When I'm out and I'm with
Speaker 2: my husband, people think they know him. So they're always like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I know you know you're you're you're
Speaker 2: a tourists and you and you like the eagles and
Speaker 2: how do you blah blah blah blah, and they just
Speaker 2: like kind of start conversations and granted he's not like
Speaker 2: a rude person, so he will engage in conversation, but
Speaker 2: when we're done, he's like.
Speaker 3: Who the hell is that? How do they know me?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And so I think those parasocial relationships really do speak
Speaker 2: a lot to how we interact and how people interact
Speaker 2: and have expectations of us because they think they know
Speaker 2: who we are and what we're about based on what
Speaker 2: we share and what we post on social media.
Speaker 3: And I think all of us can.
Speaker 2: Say that we're all layered, right, like where none of
Speaker 2: us are one dimensional.
Speaker 3: All of us have different parts, different pieces.
Speaker 2: And I even think about that as it relates to
Speaker 2: women in the WNBA, right, Like we look at players
Speaker 2: in the WNBA and we say, you know, oh, djn
Speaker 2: A Carrington, she's beautiful, she has these lashes, she has
Speaker 2: these hair. But you remember there was one time last
Speaker 2: season where there was a conversation where folks were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, her nails are too long, like that's
Speaker 2: ghetto blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and it's like
Speaker 2: there's these these secret things.
Speaker 3: That we have.
Speaker 2: And truthfully, if you you know, really got to know
Speaker 2: Dja or really got a chance to like follow her
Speaker 2: outside of what she does on the court, you'd see
Speaker 2: she's one of the kindest people, super silly. Her nails
Speaker 2: actually aren't long at all naturally hers not with the
Speaker 2: crylic And it's it's one of those things where it's
Speaker 2: like you think you know something, you set this expectation,
Speaker 2: you set this stereotype, and it's completely different from who
Speaker 2: you really are. And social plays a huge, huge Rollinette.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just add a little bit to that. I
Speaker 4: think the one thing when you said social can be
Speaker 4: really good or can be really bad, but to me,
Speaker 4: it is what you make it. But social media is
Speaker 4: the one place though where like it gives people a
Speaker 4: place and a space to where they feel relevant, but
Speaker 4: also a place where they feel like they can come
Speaker 4: for you behind a keyboard or on a cell phone.
Speaker 4: And that's where I've just gotten to a point to
Speaker 4: where one you just take a break, Like I have
Speaker 4: to mentally just walk away from social media at times
Speaker 4: because people feel like they really know you based off
Speaker 4: of what they see on social media. And I think
Speaker 4: if you spend your time getting so caught up in
Speaker 4: reading all the posts and all the repost and tweets
Speaker 4: and about yourself specifically, like it could play a huge
Speaker 4: part in what you feel mentally, and a lot a
Speaker 4: lot of people aren't mentally strong enough to deal with
Speaker 4: the things that are said about you on social media.
Speaker 4: So that's where I've gotten to a point to where
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, it's it's my it's my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely think that there's levels to having boundaries
Speaker 1: and that balance. And for me personally, I mean this
Speaker 1: time last year, I spent a lot of screen time
Speaker 1: on my phone. Breaking news is a very hefty business. Y'all.
Speaker 3: And so this year I kind of took a step
Speaker 3: back because it.
Speaker 1: Was mentally taxing to be on social media, to want
Speaker 1: to be first and all those things. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was just about taking time personally for myself and
Speaker 1: to evaluate, Okay, how am I going to do this,
Speaker 1: coming up with a strategy turning my phone off after
Speaker 1: a certain hour and.
Speaker 3: Be like, yeah, this can wait until tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes we always think that we have
Speaker 1: to do things instantly, and sometimes it's okay to just
Speaker 1: hold something off for the next day and take that
Speaker 1: time to yourself.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when we did the We did an
Speaker 3: article for the Slam exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did an article for Slam magazine and one
Speaker 2: of the questions was what is your screen time? And
Speaker 2: I never paid attention to my screen time until that
Speaker 2: particular article, and.
Speaker 1: That twenty one hours was my screen time? It said
Speaker 1: sixteen hours, and I was like, twenty one hours.
Speaker 3: There are twenty four hours in a day.
Speaker 2: So only three and those only three hours you weren't
Speaker 2: on your phone was probably when you.
Speaker 1: Were sleep sleeping, breaking breaking news, y'all. Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 4: Though, that can't that can't be healthy.
Speaker 2: It's that's the point, And that's the point. It wasn't
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I think that's exactly the point.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: But it's it's so consuming, like especially for you in
Speaker 2: that space, Like you know, I think about you, and
Speaker 2: I think about like Woa, how he was the breaking
Speaker 2: news guy. Now there's Shams and you know, Rachel Gallian
Speaker 2: and and just there's so much consumption in that space
Speaker 2: that again, it becomes difficult to maybe balance who you
Speaker 2: are in a personal life and just you know, what
Speaker 2: you should be doing.
Speaker 3: What does Christina enjoy? What does Cheryl enjoy? What does
Speaker 3: Tea enjoy?
Speaker 2: That doesn't have to do with you know, basketball or
Speaker 2: sports or media, But I just think that, like again,
Speaker 2: it's relatable to most people. I mean, there are lawyers
Speaker 2: who spend so much time in a courtroom that you know,
Speaker 2: you're like, what do you what does.
Speaker 3: Your family do?
Speaker 2: What are your what happens when you're not there? There
Speaker 2: are doctors who spend so much time in the hospital.
Speaker 2: What do you do when you're not you know, in
Speaker 2: an emergency situation or when you're not at work, Like, well,
Speaker 2: how do you how do you turn that thing off.
Speaker 2: And then there's something that you said, Cheryl that really
Speaker 2: stands out to me. When you say some people aren't
Speaker 2: mentally taxing, I mean some people aren't mentally strong to
Speaker 2: deal with that.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a perfect example.
Speaker 2: Last year, I did a show and I did a
Speaker 2: show with someone is this girl?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I did. I did a show last year
Speaker 2: with this woman named Pearl Davis. And if you're familiar
Speaker 2: with Pearl Davis, Pearl Davis is a very very strong
Speaker 2: right wing girl who has a lot of opinions that
Speaker 2: I disagree with. Right But I didn't know I was
Speaker 2: getting ready to do this show with Pearl, Okay, I
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware. I didn't know what til I show
Speaker 2: it up and I said, oh shit. I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Don't worry about it, that's a
Speaker 2: good thing. Don't don't google her, please, don't even tear
Speaker 2: your algorithm up like that. But the point is I
Speaker 2: also wasn't completely familiar with her, but I had just
Speaker 2: seen a couple of things and I did a show
Speaker 2: with her, and I was very excited about this show.
Speaker 2: And I posted a clip for this show on Twitter
Speaker 2: and girl.
Speaker 5: They ate me up.
Speaker 3: They ate her alive. I was like me, everybody loves me.
Speaker 2: I posted that I was doing a show, and we
Speaker 2: posted a clip of the show and it was me
Speaker 2: and I was sitting next to her, And it just
Speaker 2: so happened to be the same day that Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 2: was asked about Dja Carrington, and I had tweeted that
Speaker 2: I thought it was disappointing that Caitlyn didn't take the
Speaker 2: opportunity initially to dispel the notion and the rumors and
Speaker 2: the conversation about racism and like her fan base, and
Speaker 2: that same day I posted my clip of this woman
Speaker 2: sitting next to me without you got the you got
Speaker 2: the audacity to talk about a twenty one year old
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark and here you are sitting on stage with
Speaker 2: Pearl Davis. And so in my mind, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I mean we have different views, but I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure I could shift the view.
Speaker 3: They were like, no.
Speaker 1: Boo, accountability taken accountability taking it.
Speaker 2: And I had to then be like, you know what,
Speaker 2: after I quit the show, like four days in, I said,
Speaker 2: this is four days in, y'all, but I said, this
Speaker 2: is a moment where I had to be a bit
Speaker 2: vulnerable because they were valid in the things that they
Speaker 2: were saying. Now, they didn't all say it the right way,
Speaker 2: you know, but it really had to show me, you know,
Speaker 2: how mentally tough you can be to take criticism because
Speaker 2: as an analyst, I criticize players all the time. As
Speaker 2: an analyst, I have to tell you when you're not
Speaker 2: playing well. There may be times that I say things
Speaker 2: that people will be like, yeah, Tea, that's a little harsh.
Speaker 2: So I had to sit in my moment and allow
Speaker 2: those same people who I criticized to be like t
Speaker 2: That wasn't a smart move, you know, And it took
Speaker 2: a little bit of vulnerability because I don't like seeing
Speaker 2: myself being talked about like that.
Speaker 3: But I had to own that space.
Speaker 2: So to your point, it does take a lot of
Speaker 2: mental toughness to deal with that.
Speaker 3: But I have a question to.
Speaker 4: That, all shit, Well, it's really a general question, okay,
Speaker 4: but why can't you sit on the same stage with
Speaker 4: someone that doesn't have It doesn't have to be in particular,
Speaker 4: but someone who doesn't have the same views as you
Speaker 4: and have a conversation Because personally, I feel like that's
Speaker 4: how we grow, That's how we change. It doesn't mean
Speaker 4: I'm gonna agree with you, but at least we can
Speaker 4: sit and have a conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to answer that question in a general sense,
Speaker 2: not to get to specific Yeah, in a general sense,
Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent. I think the
Speaker 2: way that we may change and the way that we
Speaker 2: impact people are the way that we do developed actual
Speaker 2: solutions to some of the things that we discussed is
Speaker 2: to have genuine conversations.
Speaker 3: The keyword in that is genuine. This was not a
Speaker 3: genuine scenario.
Speaker 2: This was a scenario where the producer was trying to
Speaker 2: like get cleared, and so there was no way that
Speaker 2: anything I said I shouldn't been on that stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But but generally speaking, yeah, that's how you I got you.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Christina, has there been moments where maybe you felt a
Speaker 2: little mentally vulnerable on social media or where you've like, dang,
Speaker 2: I kind of gotta eat that, or I gotta take that,
Speaker 2: or maybe not because you really you really do it.
Speaker 1: Rage almost what I had to put some people on
Speaker 1: a summer jam screen because I am not the person
Speaker 1: to clap back at anyone on social media, say what
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just ignore it, lock you mute, you never see.
Speaker 1: You again in the algorithm, and I'm all good, but
Speaker 1: you remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there was one night I was getting ready for
Speaker 1: bed and maya good friend Tarika, was like, grow into
Speaker 1: your phone. Yeah, someone's chat leaked and there's mesages about you.
Speaker 1: And long story short, there was a group of white
Speaker 1: male reporters in the women's basketball space. They had a
Speaker 1: private group chat and it was filled with racist, misogynistic messages.
Speaker 3: My name was thrown in there.
Speaker 1: They were talking about black media and journalists in the
Speaker 1: space and it was really really bad. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I can just ignore this like I
Speaker 1: ignore everything else and when it comes to my way,
Speaker 1: or I can confront it face on. And so I
Speaker 1: have a pretty good following on Twitter X and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm gonna put them on
Speaker 1: the Summer Jam screen because people deserve to know who
Speaker 1: these people are and what they really think. And so
Speaker 1: I did it. I pressed in. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're on the Summer Jam screen now. And this group
Speaker 1: of journalists was essentially exposed, and I know they were
Speaker 1: wondering how the heck did she get that text message? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a newsbreaker to space, I can I know and
Speaker 1: see everything. I get everything, one of the things that
Speaker 1: I don't break. But so yeah, I put them on
Speaker 1: the screen and it really forced that group of men
Speaker 1: to be held accountable. And I think that the w
Speaker 1: Twitter space, it opened their eyes to what we have
Speaker 1: to face as women of color in this space. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was something that you kind of put under the
Speaker 1: rug because women's sports, you want to advance women's sports,
Speaker 1: had all costs. But to me, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is not okay, and we need to have this really
Speaker 1: an ugly conversation. And it was all over the news headlines.
Speaker 1: I was getting calls to be interviewed on multiple news stations.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Even the person who that group was working for did
Speaker 2: not initially want to take accountability for the things that
Speaker 2: they were saying.
Speaker 3: His employees were saying about about her.
Speaker 1: And I've never met any of these people when I'm
Speaker 1: in the media workroom. They don't say hi to me,
Speaker 1: never out of any conversation, and they've never worked with me,
Speaker 1: don't know me from a hole in the wall, nothing,
Speaker 1: And they had so much to say about who they
Speaker 1: thought I was, or the privilege that I have or whatever.
Speaker 1: I worked fucking hard. I've worked so hard to get
Speaker 1: to where I am and I don't take it for granted.
Speaker 1: But to those people, they thought that, you know, she's
Speaker 1: she's a black woman, she was just given this, and
Speaker 1: that is not the case to my journey or how
Speaker 1: I ended up to where I am. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say the name, but yeah, and having me
Speaker 1: the company was like, I don't think that I want
Speaker 1: to make a statement about this, and he just did
Speaker 1: not want to hold his employees.
Speaker 3: Accountable until it hit him publicly where the.
Speaker 1: Sports industry was like, no, you have to say something,
Speaker 1: and then he said it, but it was it didn't
Speaker 1: feel genuine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, myself reached out to him. Cindy Burunson reached out
Speaker 2: to him. There were many of us who reached out
Speaker 2: who was just like, you have to say something. It
Speaker 2: is not good to just be silent on this, because
Speaker 2: these are your employees and they represent you and they
Speaker 2: represent your brand. But I think it's just adding to
Speaker 2: the vulnerability that we have in wanting to keep our
Speaker 2: personal life personal and our professional life professional, because if
Speaker 2: they could say things negative like that about you as
Speaker 2: a professional. Imagine what the group chat would have looked like.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you this type of friend I am.
Speaker 2: When I got that text, I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: could leak it, But at the same time, Christina's my friend,
Speaker 2: so I'm not going I'm not gonna sit on this text.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send it to her. If she wants to
Speaker 2: leak it, let her do it. If she doesn't want to,
Speaker 2: that's cool too, because it is about her. But as
Speaker 2: another person creative journalist in the space and someone who's
Speaker 2: very protective of knowing what it takes to.
Speaker 3: Be in this space, I was like, I'm not about
Speaker 3: to just sit on this text.
Speaker 1: I think that's the one thing that I was afraid
Speaker 1: of was falling into that angry black woman trope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that follows so many of us in this industry, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm not going to say anything
Speaker 1: I don't like it is what it is like.
Speaker 3: If they think that, that's up to them.
Speaker 1: But at some point you have to stand up for
Speaker 1: yourself no matter what people will think about you. And
Speaker 1: so for me, that was my moment of you have
Speaker 1: to speak out, you have to stand up for yourself
Speaker 1: so absolutely, and I appreciate it because also taught me
Speaker 1: that I have a whole community people who have my
Speaker 1: back and are very supportive of me in the industry.
Speaker 1: I had GMS reach out to me, executives in the
Speaker 1: league like no, like we really rock with you.
Speaker 3: Do you need anything? I'm here.
Speaker 1: So it just let me know that I have a
Speaker 1: great community in the women's basketball space and that knows
Speaker 1: people have to be health accountable for Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, thank god you did. But I will say this though.
Speaker 2: Sure for you, it feels like you are also sometimes
Speaker 2: often caught between a rock and a hard place because
Speaker 2: as a former player, you know and understand better than
Speaker 2: any of us on the stage what it means to
Speaker 2: be on a championship team, what it means to be
Speaker 2: in a locker room, what it means to be.
Speaker 3: An athlete, and building blocks.
Speaker 2: But then you also share the commonality of us of
Speaker 2: now being in an analyst and now being a media personality,
Speaker 2: and if feels that it becomes increasingly difficult the more
Speaker 2: people get itchy Twitter fingers. To maintain your professionalism as
Speaker 2: an analyst and also stand up for players when they
Speaker 2: have been done wrong by fans, by media, by others.
Speaker 3: Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you.
Speaker 4: Know, first of all, being a former NBA player, like
Speaker 4: they are allowed to say whatever they want to say
Speaker 4: about the game today, the current players today, and people
Speaker 4: see that as, oh my goodness, well if this person whoever,
Speaker 4: that former player is right, if they said it, then
Speaker 4: it must be true.
Speaker 3: It must be right.
Speaker 4: But the other side of that is as a woman,
Speaker 4: as a former player, it's almost like we're not entitled
Speaker 4: to have opinions about the game and where the game
Speaker 4: is to or about certain players. And that to me
Speaker 4: is so mind boggling because like I will sit here
Speaker 4: today and put my resume up against any former NBA
Speaker 4: player period. Well, and I'm only saying that because if
Speaker 4: you have a right to talk about the game, then
Speaker 4: so should I.
Speaker 3: And for me, it's never personal.
Speaker 4: But it's always about wanting the game to be better,
Speaker 4: wanting the players to be better, wanting people to understand
Speaker 4: where we've come from, where we've been, and where we're going.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there was quite a bit. And you know,
Speaker 4: the funny thing is tea and when you talk about
Speaker 4: social media again, people can only go and pick certain
Speaker 4: parts of interviews you've done or certain parts of a
Speaker 4: podcast clip, and that's.
Speaker 3: What they're gonna post.
Speaker 4: And so then the world goes crazy like, oh, well
Speaker 4: she said this, but no, did you listen to the
Speaker 4: entire clip or the entire episode to know exactly what
Speaker 4: we were talking about. So it does get to a
Speaker 4: point at times where it's like, like, what what am
Speaker 4: I really doing? And is this where I want to be?
Speaker 4: Is this a space I want to be in? But yeah,
Speaker 4: because I feel like if anyone has earned that right
Speaker 4: to talk about the game and to talk about the
Speaker 4: players and to talk about what we're doing.
Speaker 3: Today, that I should be able to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 4: But there are people though, that are like, no, you
Speaker 4: don't have that right.
Speaker 3: Le'm me just tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will run through a brick wall for both
Speaker 1: of you, and I turned off play about them right
Speaker 1: back to media. And so there's been times in the
Speaker 1: last year where I had to hold some of my
Speaker 1: media friends accountable because they've written articles about you that
Speaker 1: were not pleasant or didn't have the full context of
Speaker 1: the story, and you know, I checked them on it, like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: why are you writing this one piece to create this narrative?
Speaker 1: And I think that especially in the w NBA space,
Speaker 1: we've seen how that can play out with the Christine
Speaker 1: Brennan situation.
Speaker 3: For those of you who don't know, there's a US.
Speaker 1: Today columnist, Christine Brennan, and she's writing a book about
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark. But also she's been in Indianapolis's past year
Speaker 1: covering the fever and Caitlyn Clark and the whole thing
Speaker 1: with dj N. Carrington came up with the ipoke and
Speaker 1: she just sensationalized the ipoke and yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: it was not an ipope. It wasn't it was a
Speaker 1: but anyway, it's just how media have been been creating
Speaker 1: these narratives about the black players and the bigger context
Speaker 1: of how that can play out. No, absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: the difference between me and Christina is Christina will like,
Speaker 1: very politely and very casually and very professionally say hey,
Speaker 1: you're out of pocket. So Rika will absolutely clasp back
Speaker 1: and be.
Speaker 2: Like, yore talking too fast. Because I'm from Detroit, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, hey, y'all are you talking to me?
Speaker 3: The whole.
Speaker 2: Friendships seven mile will come out. You'll be like Eminem
Speaker 2: go to down all of it. The whole thing will
Speaker 2: come out like it's just which is very different. And
Speaker 2: so you know, I say all the time, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not your average journalist. Now guys like I will.
Speaker 2: But I think sometimes it's necessary because for that very reason,
Speaker 2: Like people again take what they think, they see, what
Speaker 2: they think they hear, and they will continue to push
Speaker 2: that button if.
Speaker 3: You allow them.
Speaker 2: And of course there's only so much you can do
Speaker 2: from behind a keyboard, right, But what I find hilarious
Speaker 2: is that when we are out in public and we
Speaker 2: are at different venues, Like I remember specifically someone tweeting
Speaker 2: something crazy about Sheryl and then we were at an
Speaker 2: event for Final four and they were like, can we.
Speaker 3: Have your photo? And I was like, ooh, should I
Speaker 3: pull the tweet?
Speaker 4: See I'm the one that I'll be like, but no,
Speaker 4: keep that same energy you had on social media. But
Speaker 4: here's here's the biggest one for me though, because a
Speaker 4: lot of people want to take they want to use
Speaker 4: social media and they want to take whatever and turn
Speaker 4: it into a black versus white thing.
Speaker 3: It's not that at all.
Speaker 4: It's because one thing that I am always gonna do
Speaker 4: is stand up for players, period. And I remember this
Speaker 4: past season when uh yeah, when Chicago Sky played Indiana,
Speaker 4: Diamond Deshiel's who foul Caitlin and which it was a
Speaker 4: foul they call the foul blah blah blah ah. That
Speaker 4: so game's over and Diamond's getting all all these ugly
Speaker 4: tweets and messages. So for those who don't know, like
Speaker 4: Diamond de Shills was really sick, like very very sick.
Speaker 4: She had a tumor and I remember, like some of
Speaker 4: the fans were tweeting like, I hope the tumor comes
Speaker 4: back and you die from it next time. So I responded, right,
Speaker 4: I responded and said Diamond, like we're here, we got
Speaker 4: your back, keep being you, blah blah blah. Well, they
Speaker 4: they thought that I was talking about the foul because
Speaker 4: for me at that point, it wasn't even about basketball,
Speaker 4: but it's about a person, a human being in her life.
Speaker 4: And so then because I said what I said to her,
Speaker 4: then they came for me right like, oh, you're just
Speaker 4: a racist, and you don't. I don't respond to everybody,
Speaker 4: but there are certain times like when I have time
Speaker 4: on that day and this day, I had time time.
Speaker 4: So I'm more of a tarika, not a Christina, God
Speaker 4: bless you.
Speaker 3: For it's not wrong with being a Christina, y'all.
Speaker 4: I just you know, I guess the bottom line for
Speaker 4: me is and you see it on the NBA side,
Speaker 4: but for me, it's about like these young women and men,
Speaker 4: like they work their asses off to get to where
Speaker 4: they are and doing what they do. And how dare
Speaker 4: you feel like you can just sit on your computer
Speaker 4: or your phone and just just go in and say
Speaker 4: some of the craziest, dumbest things about someone that you
Speaker 4: don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't even.
Speaker 4: Know what her story is and the journey she's been
Speaker 4: through to just to walk again, right, And that's where
Speaker 4: I was coming from, like I know your story.
Speaker 3: Don't let all of what these.
Speaker 4: People are saying about you on social media like take
Speaker 4: you to a not so good place, because it's very
Speaker 4: easy for that to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This it actually reminds me of a conversation that Christina
Speaker 2: and I were having yesterday when we were talking about
Speaker 2: like getting people an opportunity to know players and know
Speaker 2: the game before right now, like right now, how women's
Speaker 2: sports is like the thing, right, Women's basketball is the
Speaker 2: thing right when you look at viewership numbers. You can
Speaker 2: see that NBA viewership is actually down this year, w
Speaker 2: NBA viewership is up right, And that's and that's a wonderful. Yes,
Speaker 2: please give a clap for that, because that is how
Speaker 2: long did we wait to get to this space. I'm
Speaker 2: actually thinking it's really funny that we're shading the NBA
Speaker 2: at NBA also, that's hilarious.
Speaker 3: But is that where we are? That's where we are.
Speaker 2: But I say I bring all that to say there
Speaker 2: is an opportunity that is available for us to be
Speaker 2: able to educate fans in new fans right, because there's
Speaker 2: this thing that they say, we're like we're gatekeeping. I'm like,
Speaker 2: first of all words meeting things, we're not gaatekeeping. We
Speaker 2: are not hindering you from buying tickets, we are not
Speaker 2: hindering you from using Google.
Speaker 3: You can do whatever you want to do in the
Speaker 3: women's sports space.
Speaker 2: But there's this thing that people say, like we're gatekeeping,
Speaker 2: or that we are not well to new women's sports
Speaker 2: fans WNBA fans specifically, and I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2: I am one who thinks that we are very welcoming
Speaker 2: to women's basketball fans and We want people to enjoy
Speaker 2: the game. We also want you to respect the history. Right,
Speaker 2: if you've been an NBA fan for five years, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna come out here talking about John Morant is
Speaker 2: the goat.
Speaker 3: You gonna be like, wait a minute, did you.
Speaker 2: Forget like all the people who before you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd playing wait dunk contest?
Speaker 3: You do forget Vince car existed? Like what do we do?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: There are things? There are levels.
Speaker 2: There are levels, hello, Like there are levels to how
Speaker 2: we get here.
Speaker 3: And I think our issue all.
Speaker 2: The pun intended on that, by the way, but I
Speaker 2: think that there are there are Our issue has just
Speaker 2: simply been before we got to where we are in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, there was a whole slew of people
Speaker 2: that came from nineteen ninety seven to this point, and
Speaker 2: that slew of people have to be recognized and respected,
Speaker 2: and those stories aren't being told enough to where new
Speaker 2: fans have to be open to wanting to listen and
Speaker 2: learn those stories.
Speaker 3: And it it definitely has a part with coverage.
Speaker 2: We know coverage with different than and investment was different
Speaker 2: then than it is now. But it's available, like you
Speaker 2: can YouTube previous All Star games. You can YouTube, and
Speaker 2: you can google. You know where we started, how we
Speaker 2: got here. You get google that nineteen ninety six Olympic team,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I was so excited
Speaker 2: to see that doc Cheryl at thirty for thirty. It
Speaker 2: was so good, and I'm just like, this is my
Speaker 2: childhood in front of me. Not to make you feel
Speaker 2: the way, but I was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was actually flexing low key.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, y'all see Cheryl, that's my girl,
Speaker 3: my girl.
Speaker 1: Speech.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I was like, oh, y'all
Speaker 3: see Dawn. I'm about to text.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, those stories have to be told
Speaker 2: in order for folks to understand why we're so protective
Speaker 2: of the game and why we will continue to be
Speaker 2: protective of this space. It's not one that we're going
Speaker 2: to let people enter with false narratives. It's one that
Speaker 2: we want you to come and enjoy, but we want
Speaker 2: you to come and enjoy with a clear vision of
Speaker 2: where and how we got here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we we want you to come and be
Speaker 4: a part of something we've been building from day one,
Speaker 4: right and to be excited about it and to support
Speaker 4: the league, right, And it's so okay for you to
Speaker 4: have a favorite player. We all do, right, Asia Wilson
Speaker 4: is my favorite player, right get away? Yeah right, But
Speaker 4: I just because I want to tell this story real
Speaker 4: quickly before I have to go.
Speaker 3: So I went this morning to do a toast for.
Speaker 4: Asia Wilson, who's getting her own to Nature shoe finally,
Speaker 4: And what I said.
Speaker 3: To her was yeah, seriously yes.
Speaker 4: But what I said to her was, Sabrina and Escu
Speaker 4: has a shoe. But Asia Wilson the first black female
Speaker 4: in thirty years since I got my shoes. But you
Speaker 4: know what's really interesting about this moment where we are,
Speaker 4: and it's not just Asia but Sabrina with a shoe
Speaker 4: and Asia with a shoe, and Caitlyn getting a shoe,
Speaker 4: Like that's a real thing.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Back in the day in nineteen ninety seven, when Nike
Speaker 4: gave me my first shoe, people looked at them like,
Speaker 4: what in the hell are y'all thinking giving a female
Speaker 4: her own shoe. No one's gonna buy it, no one's
Speaker 4: gonna wear it. But like Nike thought outside the box,
Speaker 4: and now you have all these different brands and people
Speaker 4: right that are like.
Speaker 3: Oh, women's basketball is the thing.
Speaker 4: So I was telling Asia in ninety seven when I
Speaker 4: signed with Nike, Nike didn't even have a women's sports
Speaker 4: marketing division. It was just like a here you go,
Speaker 4: here's the room, do what you gotta do with it.
Speaker 4: And so what really excites me today about where we
Speaker 4: are is it's not just the things that the women
Speaker 4: are getting on the court. You have all these women
Speaker 4: and brands who are saying we see you, we hear you,
Speaker 4: we need you.
Speaker 3: So you have the Angel Reeses, the.
Speaker 4: Caitlan Clarks, the DJN Carrington's, the Rakia Jackson's, the Asia
Speaker 4: like doing things that we only could dream of. And
Speaker 4: my very first Nike contract when I signed in ninety
Speaker 4: seven was like one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 3: Thousand dollars wow, which then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I've made it right.
Speaker 4: And today to see a player like an Asia and
Speaker 4: a Caitlin Clark signing a twenty million dollar contract, yeah, like,
Speaker 4: I don't even know what to say about that, because
Speaker 4: I never thought that I would see this day when
Speaker 4: we started the w back at ninety seven, where we're
Speaker 4: sitting here actually talking about how far the game has
Speaker 4: come and these million dollar contracts that female basketball players
Speaker 4: are now signing. That's what ninety seven to where we
Speaker 4: are today, that's what it was for us. It was
Speaker 4: about being able to be in this moment and share
Speaker 4: in this moment with everything that women's basketball is experiencing today.
Speaker 1: And I was to say, from a media perspective, I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for Iheartwomen's Sports back because even seven years
Speaker 1: ago it was just so unheard of. Right to have
Speaker 1: a network like this exists where you can have women's
Speaker 1: sports programming every single day, available shows, available, opportunities available
Speaker 1: for people in the media to be able to amplify
Speaker 1: the stories of these athletes. And now that the game
Speaker 1: is growing and the momentum is, you know, picking up,
Speaker 1: we have iHeart Women's Sports. We have just women's sports,
Speaker 1: the w n B, a w Slam, overtime, women's basketball.
Speaker 1: You see people are starting to invest and not see
Speaker 1: it as.
Speaker 3: A charity or I'm supporting women. It's just you want
Speaker 3: to do it. You want to invest because you want
Speaker 3: to do it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As we get ready to wrap up here, we just
Speaker 2: have to take a couple of things away from this
Speaker 2: conversation on our podcast. This is what we call leveling off,
Speaker 2: where we one one to make sure that when we
Speaker 2: leave here and we see our media people, when we
Speaker 2: see our athletes and we see folks who really work
Speaker 2: hard in this industry, you just understand like there are
Speaker 2: two sides of everyone, right, there's the professional side and
Speaker 2: there's the chill side. And this is really just my
Speaker 2: disclaimer that if you see me at a party later,
Speaker 2: don't be coming with me talking about I see you
Speaker 2: to nah you plank that was that was Terica Foster
Speaker 2: t you got a drink in a hand, Let me alone.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that. But also just.
Speaker 2: Keep an open mind on inclusivity when it comes to
Speaker 2: how people receive women women's sports, and that everything that
Speaker 2: we have to do is different, right, every every approach
Speaker 2: to specifically the W is different. Like we love to
Speaker 2: continue to see how much W players are getting love
Speaker 2: even this weekend at NBA All Star, the activations, the
Speaker 2: amount of people that are excited. I mean, we had
Speaker 2: Tiffany Hayes on the show yesterday part.
Speaker 3: Of the Golden State Valkyries.
Speaker 2: The league is expanding and so all of these new
Speaker 2: opportunities are happening and we love to see how fans
Speaker 2: are embracing these women and embracing this new opportunity for women,
Speaker 2: but also understand even in those things, there are still
Speaker 2: some some very small but significant differences in how we
Speaker 2: discuss women and how we talk about women. Even something
Speaker 2: is we're definitely if you're here, Like I could be
Speaker 2: a snack, but can I not be a snack in
Speaker 2: my job?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I'm a.
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 3: Do you guys know who I am? You know I am?
Speaker 2: But yeah, Like it's just it's just there's a there's
Speaker 2: a way that we discussed that we talk about. I
Speaker 2: mean even as far as something as being a mom
Speaker 2: and being a basketball player, right, Like, it's something that
Speaker 2: we don't discuss. We don't discuss dads having to not
Speaker 2: be home at Christmas or notving to you know, not
Speaker 2: be not that they don't do it or don't have
Speaker 2: to think about it, but it's just not something that's discussed.
Speaker 2: It's normal, right for a woman to have to be
Speaker 2: pregnant play basketball, miss games, have to go on the back, breastfeed,
Speaker 2: come back out.
Speaker 3: You remember a Dia Dia.
Speaker 1: Barnes two seasons pregnant and made the all start the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Kim Calwell just quite literally had a baby
Speaker 2: and a week later she was back out there pretendency
Speaker 2: coaching like these are the kinds of incredible women that
Speaker 2: we have in this space, and so we just have
Speaker 2: to think about how we cover them and how we
Speaker 2: celebrate them differently than we do. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I have really enjoyed this conversation with
Speaker 2: both of you. I hope that all of you guys
Speaker 2: take a moment to pull out your phones and follow
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Speaker 2: to keep you updated on what you may have missed
Speaker 2: in the women's sports space.
Speaker 3: And Cheryl, what are you getting ready to go?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 3: I gotta go?
Speaker 4: Sorry, my son is in the G League slam dunk contests.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I gotta I gotta go. Y'all, thanks for being here.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for having us.
Speaker 1: Well. I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation and maybe
Speaker 1: you took away some things from it that have impacted you.
Speaker 3: I'm super excited to be.
Speaker 1: Back in a group of things, navigating so much in
Speaker 1: my personal life, but just happy to be back. There's
Speaker 1: lots of excited things happening in and around women's sports,
Speaker 1: and so I'll see you guys next week, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be back to our regular schedule programming. Don't forget
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Speaker 3: To the podcast. I'll see you guys next week.
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