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Speaker 2: If you go back to twenty twenty two, Drake May

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Speaker 2: changed all their lives. It changed Buffalo's franchise trajectory. It

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Speaker 2: believe that Malik Neighbor's talent. He is probably a top

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Speaker 2: These players aren't exactly alike, but I think if Melik

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Speaker 2: Like they got some pieces there. They're also in a

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Speaker 2: on DraftKings plus all for him to be a top

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Speaker 2: ten pick. That's my mock draft.

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Speaker 2: A couple other quick things. Rap Sheet said today from

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Speaker 2: Detroit that it is still up in the air if

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers were to trade Brandon Ayuk on

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Speaker 2: Draft Day. Michael Silver wrote something in the San Francisco

438
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Speaker 2: Chronicle basically reiterating that same thing. Trading Ayuk on Thursday

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Speaker 2: is in play, could be Friday, depending on the picks

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Speaker 2: you get for. To me, this gets back to the

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Speaker 2: Trey Lance trade. For three years they got nothing. They

442
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: drafted Trey Lance in twenty twenty one, started four games,

443
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: wasn't any good. They didn't have a first round pick

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Speaker 2: in twenty two or twenty three. Now they have been

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Speaker 2: really good over that period of time, but in that

446
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Speaker 2: Chiefs game, you felt their lack of depth because they

447
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: have missed on some third and fourth rounders and even

448
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: a second rounder in recent memory. The pressure on those

449
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: guys were essentially their first round picks, and Drake Jackson's

450
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Speaker 2: nowhere to be found. Danny Gray done nothing, ty Davis

451
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Speaker 2: Price the running back from LSU practice squad. Because of

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Speaker 2: their lack of draft capital has hurt their depth. But

453
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Speaker 2: the problem with their team is they already had some

454
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Speaker 2: really high end players. They had to pay a lot

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Speaker 2: of money. Debo ton of money. They acquire McCaffrey a

456
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Speaker 2: ton of money, Trent Williams a ton of money, Hardgrave

457
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Speaker 2: a ton of money, Bosa historic money, Fred Warner of money,

458
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: Tarvarius Ward ton of money. They're paying guys a lot

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00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: of cash, so you can tell me, oh, brock Purty

460
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 2: makes something or makes nothing. Totally agree. But they have

461
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: six seven other guys. They're being paid premiums and because

462
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Speaker 2: of their lack of draft capital over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years, and with it on some second and third

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Speaker 2: round picks which were their first round picks, Like, they're

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Speaker 2: kind of in a weird spot. Do they love Brandon Ayuk?

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Speaker 2: How could you not? Guy's a fucking stud. Brandon Ayuk

467
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: could play for all of our teams every day of

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Speaker 2: the week and twice on Sunday. You want that guy

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Speaker 2: in the trenches. But this is a business and you

470
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Speaker 2: have to build your team. And I think if they

471
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Speaker 2: could choose at if it was just scratch and you

472
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Speaker 2: can just get rid of one and keep one for

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Speaker 2: the next five years, they would keep Ayuk over debo.

474
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Speaker 2: But because of the money they they pay Deebo, they're

475
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 2: kind of stuck with them. So now you look at

476
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Speaker 2: it and you go, well, how do we gain some

477
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Speaker 2: draft capital? Trent Williams thirty five years old, like, how

478
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: are we ever gonna get another offensive tackle? Well, I

479
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: think we got to think now you're not gonna give

480
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Speaker 2: him away. Ideally, you'd like a pick in the late

481
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Speaker 2: teens early twenties. Are you gonna get that? I don't know,

482
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Speaker 2: because if you think of a recent comp of a

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Speaker 2: guy that was traded on Draft Night, was Aj Brown

484
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Speaker 2: pick seventeen. Well, Aj Brown's a better player than Brandon

485
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Speaker 2: Ayuk last year. I think they did entertain it in

486
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Speaker 2: that like mid twenty stretch. I think they were kind

487
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Speaker 2: of hoping the Ravens would be interested in doing a deal.

488
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: But the Ravens got Zay Flowers, who's excellent and now

489
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: makes way less because part of the problem is and raps.

490
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Speaker 2: She'd said, this is the Niners are prepared to pay him.

491
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they're cool with paying them like twenty three

492
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Speaker 2: million dollars, but I you and his representation, no, right now,

493
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: there are other teams prepared to pay him more. This

494
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: is like the lugerious sneed situation. It's like the player

495
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: has a little leverage once he knows these other teams

496
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Speaker 2: are willing to pay me more, then it's on you

497
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: to figure out the compensation. So would you take And

498
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Speaker 2: here's the thing, if you do make the trade, the

499
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: pressure on you to nail the picks is everything. Because

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Speaker 2: I know Brandon Ayuk is good. The Chiefs traded tyreek Hill,

501
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: who's obviously better than Aiyuk and one of the greatest

502
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: receivers of all time. But what did they immediately do.

503
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: They got picked one in the early twenties and won,

504
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: and you know their own pick. They got two impact starters.

505
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: One guy in Trent McDuffie that looks like one of

506
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Speaker 2: the best DB's in the league. And Karlovskis is just

507
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: a really good player starter on a Super Bowl team

508
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: one two. So I think the Niners, if they knew

509
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Speaker 2: they'd get that, they would do it. But that's where

510
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Speaker 2: the risk is, Like they've done it before. They're like,

511
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Speaker 2: you know, we don't really want to pay Buckner twenty

512
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: plus a year five years ago, so we'll trade him

513
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Speaker 2: for the thirteenth overall pick. Was the right move at

514
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Speaker 2: the time, celebrated I'd trade DeForest Buckner all day long

515
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Speaker 2: and every day for the thirteenth overall pick. The problem was,

516
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: is they got cute? Is they traded with the tam

517
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Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers backup pick. The Buccaneers took Tristan Wurfs, who's

518
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: become a pro ball, pro level talent and stalwart for

519
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Speaker 2: their franchise, and they took Javon Kinlaw, who they thought

520
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: would be Buckner's replacement. Well in twenty twenty four, kin

521
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Laws no longer on the team. For the most part,

522
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: was a disaster for them. Not all his fault. His

523
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: knee doesn't work. He was constantly battling injuries. So I

524
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Speaker 2: think you get to these points where your previous history

525
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Speaker 2: impacts you. It just does. It's why is there a

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Speaker 2: chance that Adam Peters really likes Drake may Hell? Yeah,

527
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Speaker 2: but he goes You know, I just saw what a

528
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Speaker 2: project if it doesn't go well, and we had Kyle

529
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Speaker 2: Freakin Shanahan and it was a disaster. I've just saw

530
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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels dominate. I know, if I just plan on

531
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Speaker 2: the trajectory, I feel that's safer. So the safe thing here,

532
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Speaker 2: keep ayyuk. But you can't always do that. For a

533
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Speaker 2: long period of time. Belichick didn't do the safe thing,

534
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: and he benefited from it, and he was able to

535
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Speaker 2: reset his salary cap. Andy Reid since trading Tyreek Hill

536
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: has won two freaking Super Bowls. That was definitely not

537
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: the safe thing. Look at the Packers. In a two

538
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Speaker 2: year span, they traded DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers, and

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Speaker 2: now it looks like I would imagine most people are

540
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Speaker 2: gonna pick them to have ten plus wins this year.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to play it safe in life,

542
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Speaker 2: you're probably if you're gonna drive in the slow lane,

543
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna avoid more rex than those driving in

544
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Speaker 2: the fast lane. But those guys are gonna consistently lap

545
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Speaker 2: you if they don't get res So I see where

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Speaker 2: they're coming from. I just know this. If you make

547
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: the trade for whatever, pick twenty two, a couple second

548
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: round picks, whatever it turns out to be, you better

549
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: fucking be right on the guys you pick, and they

550
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: better have an immediate impact because you're trying to win

551
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: the super Bowl now. And here's the other thing. Your

552
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: young quarterback who has been a revelation history of the NFL.

553
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: We've never seen anything quite like it last picking the

554
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Speaker 2: draft being this good him and Brandon at you have

555
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: pretty good chemistry, like kind of works. You know, he's

556
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: his number one target, So you remove that, you also

557
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: risk throwing off brock Parties game, which would have, you know,

558
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: a snowball effect of negativity. It's one thing just to

559
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: lose eye. You can try to replace him. It's another

560
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: thing then if it bleeds into your quarterback, if he

561
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have a repertoire with whoever you bring in. So

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Speaker 2: that's what I like about the That's what I like

563
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: about life. Take some big swings, some work, and when

564
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: you get extra credit. When they do and when they don't,

565
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: people talk a lot of shit. It's like you didn't

566
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Speaker 2: have to do that last but not least the power

567
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: of getting your coach right changes your franchise. And I

568
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: think coaching hirings. Hiring a coach is a lot like

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Speaker 2: draft picks. No one actually knows, No one does. No

570
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: one had any clue that when Kyle Shanahan and Sean

571
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: McVay signed with the Rams and the Niners in twenty seventeen.

572
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, we talk about those two the

573
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: way we do, even though both of them, especially Kyle,

574
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: had been an offensive coordinator for a long time. But

575
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: we have seen countless up and coming offensive coordinators just

576
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: being overwhelmed and failing right. It happens all the time.

577
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin was in his early thirties, most people hadn't

578
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: even heard of the guy. No one saw that coming.

579
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Even John Harbaugh was a special teams coach whose brother

580
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: had played in the NFL. For a long time, the

581
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: Harbaugh name wasn't quite as sexy in coaching circles in

582
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Speaker 2: two thousand and six and seven as it is now,

583
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: but sometimes guys are available. It's kind of a no brainer.

584
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: Jim Harball when Michigan hired him, of course he was

585
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: successful the Chargers. Of course he's gonna be successful. Pete

586
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: Carroll when Seattle hired him, it's like, well, he's won

587
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: before in the NFL. He just had one of the

588
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: great programs in the history of college football. It's probably

589
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: gonna work, and it did. Andy Reid. It had ended

590
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: so ugly in Philadelphia. Trust me, I know I was

591
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: there with a four win season. I think everything he

592
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: had accomplished, people in a weird way like forgot about

593
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: or thought that was something of the past because he

594
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: had proven for over a decade, I'm gonna win, maybe

595
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Speaker 2: not the Super Bowl, but we're gonna be in the

596
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Speaker 2: playoffs the majority of times and win playoff games. We

597
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: are going to be a high end franchise. And looking

598
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: back when he signed with the Chiefs, there has to

599
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: be if we went back and broke it down. Twenty

600
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: five plus teams that regret not firing their coach immediately

601
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: and hiring but I think Andy Reid was viewed as

602
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: likes best days are behind him, not that good, losing touch.

603
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: What's he like without Donovan McNabb, what's he really done?

604
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: Took Michael Vick out of elevenworth and almost won the MVP.

605
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: We had a bunch of injuries in twenty twelve and

606
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: it was ugly, and the Dream Team, because it was

607
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: so hyped up, clearly was somewhat of a black mark.

608
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: I guess at the time on his resume. Well, he

609
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: took Alex Smith and they immediately made the playoffs like

610
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Speaker 2: five of six years in a division with Peyton freaking

611
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: Manning and Philip Rivers in the prime of his career.

612
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: And then, like any good coach, if you get the

613
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Speaker 2: right quarterback, Belichick Brady Walsh Montana the equivalent of parcels

614
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: with Lawrence Taylor. I know he's not a quarterback, but

615
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: his impact essentially was it's not going to be a

616
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: fair fight. And because of Brett Veach, who has been

617
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: Andy's right hand man for like twenty plus years, who

618
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Speaker 2: after the John Dorsey situation with the owner fell apart

619
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Speaker 2: and they named veach. It hasn't really been a fair fight.

620
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: They might have rough stretches during the season, but we

621
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Speaker 2: have seen now for over half a decade in the

622
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: playoffs they are the clear cream of the crop. And

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Speaker 2: here's the other thing. Over that period of time, the

624
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: AFC has been better in the NFC because I gotta

625
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: play Josh Allen every year. I think how many times

626
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: the Chiefs have played Josh Allen in the playoffs Back

627
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 2: to back years. We played Joe freaking Burrow. He even

628
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: got us one time. Last year we played Lamar Jackson

629
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Speaker 2: on the road. It's reported that and Reid will now

630
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: be the highest paid coach in the league. Sean Payton

631
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: makes eighteen million dollars. Andy's going to make more than that.

632
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Speaker 2: Whatever Andy Reid is making, it's a deal for Clark Hunt.

633
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Speaker 2: I don't think Andy should make more than maybe Patrick Mahomes.

634
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: You could argue the talent more important than the coach,

635
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: But is there another guy, including Chris Jones, that he

636
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: should make less than? At worst, he should make the same.

637
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Speaker 2: If I told you right now that he makes thirty

638
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: plus million dollars, no one would bat An Eye. If

639
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: he was a free agent tomorrow, would a team give

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Speaker 2: him four years, one hundred and twenty million dollars thirty

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Speaker 2: million dollars a year. Bet you're asked, they would. So

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00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: Clark Hunt just got a deal with Andy Reid. He

643
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: did because Andy and now Veitch and Mahomes have turned

644
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: the Chiefs into like, you know, this kind of historic franchise,

645
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: one of the original franchises. Hank Stram, big part of

646
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: all the old films, you know, the NFL films, and

647
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: Steve Sable to one of the biggest brands in the NFL,

648
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: to the Marquee team in the National Football League with

649
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: the Marquee player, and the reason that player is there

650
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: is because of each and Andy. So props of those

651
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: guys forgetting extensions. One thing I always say is I'll

652
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: never be around another human that I've ever seen work longer.

653
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: His work stamina is unparalleled. Maybe there are people that

654
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: have the same, but I think it's impossible to have more.

655
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: I think it would be impossible to have more. And

656
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: I hear stories whenever I go to the combine. I

657
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: obviously know the majority of people and the coaching staff

658
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: and just around him, they say his love for football,

659
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking during the season. I'm talking like May.

660
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: I'm talking to like June, texting people, Hey, swing by

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Speaker 2: the office. I got an idea, and I get back

662
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: all the time. Or I mean I say this all

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Speaker 2: the time, is find what you love to do and

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Speaker 2: attempt to do that for your profession, because it's so

665
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: much easier to just be passionate about working, because I

666
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: don't care what you do. Working becomes a job, whether

667
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: you're a football coach, whether you're a car salesman, whether

668
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: you're digging ditches. Obviously, some are more difficult physically on

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Speaker 2: your body. But Andy Reid's love a football, his passion

670
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Speaker 2: for football, and obviously he's a very talented coach. And

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Speaker 2: I think what makes him unique a little like Pete

672
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Speaker 2: Carroll and why he's perfect for this day and age

673
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: of players. But he's had success with old school players

674
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: as well, is he's a California kid, so his disposition

675
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: is not angry screaming all the time. He's not a

676
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: swearer and a cusser, and he can be hard and

677
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: he runs a tight ship like the if you're not

678
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: sitting out many practices during the season, it's not a

679
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: country club. Kelsey Travis on his podcast has reiterated that

680
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: over the years, this is not a place for everybody,

681
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Speaker 2: even though he's not screaming at you all the time

682
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Speaker 2: like maybe Belichick or on you like that. But what

683
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Speaker 2: he's done with the Kancy Chiefs absolutely remarkable and you know,

684
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Speaker 2: fun to watch. He's not going anywhere him and Beach.

685
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Speaker 2: So if I'm in the AFC, buckle up because the

686
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: Chiefs are gonna be the clear favorite until they're not. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Middlecoff mailbag time, you guys know the drill DM's wide

688
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: open at John Middlecoff Instagram fire in those messages start

689
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: with Mitchell mail bag question. The Trey Lance experiments obviously failed,

690
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: but as a concept athletic quarterback boosting an already high

691
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: floor Shanahan's system is it a good one? If we

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Speaker 2: theoretically drop Josh Allen onto the Niners, do both Allen

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Speaker 2: and the offense as a whole actually get better or

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00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: would they sacrifice the timing that makes them special to

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Speaker 2: accommodate the other If the forty nine ers had Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: they would one hundred percent have a Super Bowl. If

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Speaker 2: not multiple I mean they made it to the NFC

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Speaker 2: Championship with a banged up Jimmy Garoppolo a couple years ago.

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Speaker 2: So I don't even think it's a question mark that

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Speaker 2: if would the forty nine ers want Josh Allen. He actually,

701
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Speaker 2: specifically Josh Allen, I think is a big reason that

702
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Speaker 2: they drafted Trey Lance. The problem with Trey Lance is

703
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: his athleticism actually isn't that great. He didn't run very

704
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Speaker 2: fast when you watched him run, he was a hesitant runner.

705
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: His play speed wasn't great. So like, Perty is a

706
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: more functional athlete on the field. And look what he's

707
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Speaker 2: done for the Niners. He made some huge plays with

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Speaker 2: his legs in the playoffs and over the course of

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Speaker 2: his career. So yeah, I mean to me, Josh Allen

710
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: is easily the second best quarterback in the NFL. Uh

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Speaker 2: Bill Joe about Joe Burrow. Yeah, let's see how he

712
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Speaker 2: comes back from injury. But yes, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: Packer fan here from Ireland. Over the last few years

714
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Speaker 2: in the NFL, it seems like there is always a

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Speaker 2: new story about some shitty owner ruining their team. I

716
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Speaker 2: wonder how much the Packers sustain success over the decades

717
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: comes down to its unique corporate structure, having one unpredictable

718
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Speaker 2: guy in charge. I understand a great deal of success

719
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: comes from back to back great quarterbacks. But you could

720
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: make the argument that the owners would have flat out

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Speaker 2: overruled Ted Thompson and Goody and refused to move on.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can make that argument. I think

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Speaker 2: we would all agree there is no chance that they

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Speaker 2: trade Brett farv and after the MVPs trading Aaron Rodgers,

725
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: because one thing the owner would have done is attempt

726
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: to facilitate an improved relationship. So when it comes to

727
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: those specific situations, one percent, it has benefited the Packers

728
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: because the football people, with no influence from the money,

729
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 2: got to influence the right football decision. It's very rare,

730
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: very rare that Robert Craft is a complete outlier. He

731
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: basically led Belichick, well, he kind of overruled him with

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, and then he let him make the decision.

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Speaker 2: I guess, actually it's happened before. I mean Bill Wallas

734
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: traded Joe Montana. Uh pollion. I guess it was Grigson

735
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Speaker 2: when they cut, but it was really the owner when

736
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: they cut Peyton Manning It's a very tough decision. It

737
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: really is, because you get a transcendent player, the popularity

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Speaker 2: they have in the league at that position, the popularity

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00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: they have for the business of your football team. But

740
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Speaker 2: the Packers are a great example if you trust your

741
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: football people, let them cook and then just enjoy the dinner.

742
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Speaker 2: Thoughts on the Jets pick at number ten. Do they

743
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: take a tackle that probably won't start until someone gets hurt,

744
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: or do they take the best pass catcher available, which

745
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: is probably Powers Well I said it in the mock draft.

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Speaker 2: I think they would pass on a tackle, and a

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00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: lot of people in the NFL believe that too, because,

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00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: in fairness to their thinking, if again big if capital letters,

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Speaker 2: I capital letter F your two tackles stay healthy, and

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Speaker 2: you draft the tackle and he can't really play guard,

751
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: that guy wouldn't play much at all. So all of

752
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: a sudden, you've used this high valued asset. Pretty sure

753
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: they don't have a second round pick because the Packers

754
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: have it, and you don't get anything out of it.

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00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Win now mode. I think Bowers their pick, unless Bowers

756
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: is off the board. This is a golf podcast, but

757
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: it's about Tiger Woods. I'll answer it. What would Tiger

758
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: have shot at Augusta had he been able to use

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00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: a cart? Would he have been competitive? Well, Gusta doesn't

760
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: let you use carts, so any other course that that

761
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: would work, but there's just no golf carts at Augusta.

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Speaker 2: So hypothetically thinking yes, he would play better as someone

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Speaker 2: who's walked a little bit in golf. When I'm trying

764
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: to get back in shape, especially in the summer, it

765
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: takes a little bit out of you. Now, granted you

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Speaker 2: know me, or you carrying your own bag or pushing

767
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: your own bag. A little different when you have a caddy,

768
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: but still a lot of wear and tear on those

769
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: legs that are fused together. As a fellow millennial thirty

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Speaker 2: eight your perspective on sports life finance. I granted out

771
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Speaker 2: in a shitty industry for ten years, making no money,

772
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Speaker 2: and then took the skills I developed and jumped into

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Speaker 2: the tech industry. Six years later, I'm making four times

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Speaker 2: what I used to make and have it look back. Gratulations, Kobe,

775
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: awesome to hear, keep up the first takes Okay, onto

776
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 2: the mailbag. What would be required to make a small

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Speaker 2: market team like the Panthers into a major player. I

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00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: know the owner kind of sucks, but does the smaller

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Speaker 2: market make it inherently more difficult to attract high end

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Speaker 2: free agent talent or does money ultimately talk in the

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00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: eyes of players? And second, when scouting college players, how

782
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: much does the rest of the team factor in through

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00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: the process. For example, big sc fan here South Carolina

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00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: and saw firsthand Rattler and Xavier Legit Legett carry a

785
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: truly bad team. On your first question, if you're really

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Speaker 2: good and you have star player like you once did

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00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: with Cam Newton, you guys were a major player. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you guys were playing on prime time Sunday night Football,

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00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: Monday night football. The Panthers with Cam Newton and the

790
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: good years mattered in the NFL, the market size doesn't

791
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: dictate that this is not basketball, where the NBA is

792
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: kind of screwed because Curry got bounced after a playing

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00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: game and Lebron's gonna get swept in. For the equivalent

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Speaker 2: in football, if OKAC was the one seed, it would

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Speaker 2: be it doesn't matter we watch. I'm not watching OKAC, right,

796
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: I'll watch the Lakers and I have even the Knick Sixers.

797
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: You couldn't pay me to watch some of these other series.

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00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: In football, the Chiefs aren't a big market. They get Mahomes,

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00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: they get Andy Reid, they become immediately a major player.

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Speaker 2: The Packers for decades, Farv Rogers now Jordan Love major player.

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00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: You guys, Cam Newton major player. If Bryce Young becomes

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00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: a star, you'll be a major player. When it comes

803
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Speaker 2: to the money on free agents, for the most part,

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00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: star players don't really hit free agency, so like, you're

805
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: not really missing out that often on guys. I would say,

806
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: if you don't quote unquote sign a guy, but the

807
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: NFL money talks, guys are gonna go where the most

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00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: money is offered. Your market size is irrelevant. Rattler, the

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00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 2: wide receiver definitely factor in the team, right. I think

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00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: sometimes you're more critical when a guy's on a really

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Speaker 2: good team. You kind of nitpick them. They're like, God,

812
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: he should have done more of this than that. When

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Speaker 2: a guy excels on a team that is the underdog

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Speaker 2: in the majority of the games you're playing, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: think of who you're the underdog against Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: uh BAM, LSU, any of those teams. If you play

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00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Ole miss Yeah, factors and it's hard. I mean you

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Speaker 2: got to this is why you got to know as

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Speaker 2: a scout or a college scouting director. The conferences and

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Speaker 2: the talent on all the teams really well be cause

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Speaker 2: to h I would say, dissect that stuff. You can't

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Speaker 2: have surface knowledge, right you fallow South Carolina football, right,

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Speaker 2: so you have a really good idea of your team,

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Speaker 2: and if you've been following them long enough, you've seen

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00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: good and bad teams. Right with Spurrier, you know what

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Speaker 2: it looks like. And then you definitely know what it

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Speaker 2: looks like because you play arguably the best team in

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Speaker 2: the country every single year in Georgia. Your rival is Clemson,

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Speaker 2: who's been one of the teams in the country for

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Speaker 2: a decade. So you got a pretty good feel. So

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Speaker 2: like if I'm the West Coast scout, I might not

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Speaker 2: know the sec inside and out. So it's if I'm

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Speaker 2: just watching a player, I could evaluate that player his skills,

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Speaker 2: but his competition it can be a little more difficult.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of contacts in college scouting. That's what

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Speaker 2: makes it difficult. Like a guy, if I play it,

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Speaker 2: let's just pick a school Oklahoma and I'm a pass

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Speaker 2: rusher and I have ten sacks in a season, and

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Speaker 2: I'm coming out, I have ten sacks and I'm one

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Speaker 2: of the better, more productive pass rushers in the conference.

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Speaker 2: Well what if five of those sacks came in non

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Speaker 2: conference games against non Power five opponents, and three of

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Speaker 2: those five sacks came against a D one double A team.

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Speaker 2: And when I played two teams in our conference, Texas

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Speaker 2: and let's just say Kansas State, and they both have

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Speaker 2: guys and I was not productive. That's where you really

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Speaker 2: got to kind of nitpick it, and it's hard, and

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Speaker 2: then you got to figure out is like does he

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Speaker 2: have the skills to translate? Is he taking advantage of

851
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: shittier competition. It's why the SEC is relatively easy to evaluate.

852
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: Like if you're doing it on a weekly basis, you're

853
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: just seeing them constantly against NFL teams or NFL players, Right,

854
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: You're like, well, that guy's a second rounder this week,

855
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: he's going up against a fourth rounder. Last year, he

856
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: smoked the dude. That guy went in the second round,

857
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: or that guy kicked his ass, and that dude was

858
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: a top ten pick. So you can kind of put

859
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: all the contexts the piece of the puzzle together. That's

860
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: kind of what you're attempting to do. I'm listening to

861
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: your most recent mailbag and currently hearing you talk about

862
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: choosing between an O lineman and a wide receiver. You

863
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: said it, for an O lineman and a wide receiver

864
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: were the same grade, you would choose the lineman every

865
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: single time. That had me reflecting on the twenty one

866
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 2: draft when the Bengals selected Jamar Chase over Pine Seol.

867
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: I know Burrow suggested to the organization that they draft Chase,

868
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: who was his college teammate and good buddy. But do

869
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: you think the Bengals now look back and regret the decision,

870
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: especially considering Burrow's injury concerns. I don't think they regret

871
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: it at all. I think we all agree Jamar Chase

872
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: is the top two or three wide receiver in the NFL.

873
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think you would rather have Jamar Chase

874
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: than not. I like Pine School, he's a good player.

875
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: But I think if you just said who would you

876
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: rather have in that scenario for that team, you would

877
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 2: take Chase. Now, if you look at the would the

878
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: Lions trade Sool for Chase? Probably not. I think it

879
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: kind of depends. I think Chase has a chance to

880
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer and Sewell doesn't, So I

881
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,479
Speaker 2: think you could argue should they Are they the same

882
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: grade as a player? Now, if you told me I

883
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: got Trent Williams or Jamar Chase, Tyron Smith coming out

884
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: of college, all these guys, yeah, if I'm just getting

885
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 2: a starter offensive lineman, I think the way you would

886
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: look at it like this, The Chargers are a good example.

887
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: If you think Marvin Harrison and Joel are both gonna

888
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: be Pro Bowl level players. Obviously, if you do one

889
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: guy turns out to be one of the greatest of

890
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: all time, you would rather take that guy. But if

891
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: you just view those guys as the same, and especially Harball,

892
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: you just take him, meaning the old lineman. So maybe

893
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: I contradicted myself a little bit there because I said

894
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals would take Chase, But I don't think Panay Sewell,

895
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: who is good. I think the Bengals feel pretty good

896
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: about that one. Are we sure? Robert Kraft is an

897
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: elite owner. I'm not saying he's a bum, but people

898
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: forget that before Brady and Bill, he was known for

899
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: constant medaling Furthermore, he ran two Hall of Fame coaches

900
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: Parcels Pete Carroll out of town and later after going

901
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: to the playoffs two of three years, Craft didn't medal

902
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: when Belichick wanted to keep Brady as a starter in

903
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: on one, but after that we give him credit for

904
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: not medaling when the Pats were going to the Super

905
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: Bowl basically every other year. Not exactly a difficult task

906
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: if the team isn't in the conference championship, he gets

907
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: extremely hands on. What are your thoughts on Robert Jonathan

908
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: Craft as owners in twenty twenty four? Can you describe

909
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: what makes an elite owner and are there any sub

910
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: five hundred teams that you would say have elite ownership.

911
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: I think the key to any owner, the number one

912
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: key to a good owner, hire and pay a premium

913
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: for you. Try to hire the best people possible and

914
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: then don't do anything beside the business side of the team.

915
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: When you start getting involved and there's a difference, like

916
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: a guy hits his girlfriend like hey, we're cutting this

917
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: guy and the coach doesn't want I have no problem

918
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: with that. I'm talking about being in the draft room,

919
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: like Jonathan Kraft currently is with Elliott Wolf and like

920
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: giving his feedback on what he wants to do. I

921
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: think that is a recipe for a fucking disaster. We

922
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: saw it with Dan Sneyder for twenty years. We see

923
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: it happening with David Tepper right now telling them what

924
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: plays to run. Jimmy Haslam was way too involved. You know,

925
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: he's actually a pretty good owner. You're gonna in terms

926
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: of Mark Davis. You get hired, you get to do

927
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: whatever you want, which is a coaches and GM's dream. Now.

928
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: Part of also being a good owner is hiring the

929
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: right people. And you could argue he has not done that,

930
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: but you go work for him. You get to do

931
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: whatever you want. You work for Jonathan Graft right now,

932
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: no chance. So I'm with you, Like he owned the

933
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: team during that period of time, but he's constantly and

934
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm putting this more on Jonathan than Robert because Robert's

935
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: eighty two years old or whatever. Now I think Jonathan

936
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: wants to play jam. I think Jonathan's been dreaming about

937
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: this day since the moment he could kick Bilt out

938
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: of the building. Then I get to run the show.

939
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: And look what they did. Elliott Wolf, longtime personnel guy

940
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: son of Ron Wolf one of the most legendary gms

941
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 2: in the history of the league. You think Elliott Wolf's

942
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: in charge. Fuck no, He's doing whatever Jonathan tells him

943
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: to do or has to run it by him. It's

944
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: why Diana Rassini I listen to her talk on the

945
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: podcast saying, when you talk to other gms, they say

946
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: that Jonathan Crafts the guy who run the show. And

947
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: I think where they find that out is they ask Elliott, Hey,

948
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: would you be interested in this? What about this? What

949
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: about this deal? He's like, I gotta run it by

950
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: Jonathan and listen, There's nothing wrong with like running something

951
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: by your owner when you're making a big trade or

952
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: a big signing. But it does feel like he wants

953
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: to be the Grand Pooba. So it's one of the

954
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: reasons that I'm shorting the Patriots for the foreseeable future.

955
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Coward once said after Stafford won the Super Bowl, Stafford

956
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: doesn't get the respect he deserves because he stayed in

957
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Detroit too long. I agree, Do you agree? I think

958
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: if Matt Stafford would have played for a winning franchise

959
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: during the bulk of his career, I think we would

960
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: talk about him like we talk about Josh Allen and

961
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. I don't know if we would ever been

962
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: considered the top dog because of Manning and Brady and Rogers,

963
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: but I think he would have been constantly considered a

964
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: top five quarterback. And I would say for the most part,

965
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: he never was considered that. You know, his number one

966
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: supporter over the years, Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers constantly talked

967
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: him up. Why playing the same division and when you're

968
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: studying your divisional opponents, you just watch their games. Well,

969
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: who do you think he saw a ton on cross

970
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: tape over a decade, Matt Stafford and he's thinking, God,

971
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: this guy kind of looks like me. So yes, I agree.

972
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: The good thing for Stafford is he's made two hundred

973
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars, So super Bowl champion, one of

974
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: the richest guys in league history. Say it all worked

975
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: out for him. It's to the point where I can't

976
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: even watch some of these other shows because their analysis

977
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: is so bombastic and lazy just for hot takes. Question,

978
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: what about Antonio Pierce as a leader is so I

979
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: don't even know what we already shooting for here, so

980
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: specific it seems like the players are outspokenly committed to

981
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: him more than what we've seen with most coaches. Well,

982
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: I think, I mean I've never I don't know the guy,

983
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: but I think he was a team captain level guy

984
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: as a player as a middle linebacker. So when you

985
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: play middle linebacker, when you play free safety, when you

986
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: play quarterback, and you like the one of the leaders

987
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: of the team, you just have some natural ability to

988
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: connect with people on and off the field. Obviously in

989
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: the NFL you got to be a really good player

990
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: to be, you know, not just a team captain starter,

991
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: and then on a really good team. Well, he was

992
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: that level guy on a really good team under a

993
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: really good coach. So I would imagine if I had

994
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: to guess, Antonio Pierce, who played under Tom Coughlin, has

995
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: a good balance of being really intense and holding people

996
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: to a high standard, but then just relating to guys

997
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: like That's what good coaches are able to do. They're

998
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: able to form a powerful relationship. I saw this thing

999
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: that went viral from Dan Quinn in a team meeting

1000
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: with his coaches, and basically what he said is I

1001
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: need all you guys to form good relationships with your players,

1002
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: because when you have a good relationship with the guy

1003
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: you're coaching, you can coach him harder, which is just

1004
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: kind of common sense. Right. Why can your parents ride

1005
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: you more than some random person on the street. Have

1006
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: a lot of equity with those people? Why can Andy

1007
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Reid and Travis Kelcey shove each other on the sideline.

1008
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: And he's coached him for a decade. So when you

1009
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: know a guy intimately as a with a relationship no

1010
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: different than your friends from high school or college, as

1011
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: you get older, your relationship with those individuals are just

1012
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: kind of unique. You have a lot of built up

1013
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: just personal equity and knowledge of these people. And essentially,

1014
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: with Dan Quinn saying is like, get to know these guys.

1015
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: And I think Antonio Pierce has a natural ability of

1016
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: connecting with guys. That's going to be the least of

1017
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: his worries. He's good at that. Clearly, it's gonna be

1018
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: running the team, which is clearly a really really hard

1019
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: thing to do on Sundays in the sport of football,

1020
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: right because it's the game becomes a little less about

1021
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: that on Sunday and more about we're playing chess. And

1022
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: he has to coach the coaches from a chess standpoint.

1023
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: How do we focus on the weaknesses the strengths. I'll

1024
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: give him credit. He brought Marvin Lewis, who's his boy,

1025
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: longtime head coach, Like these guys are surrounding him. I'm

1026
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: always impressed when impressive people like a certain individual. It's

1027
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: why I bought into Dan Campbell. It's like, wait, Sean

1028
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: Payton loved this guy for this guy was assistant head coach.

1029
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: Parcels was the guy that drafted this guy and got

1030
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: him into coaching. Here's an interesting question for you. How

1031
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: do teams evaluate front office talent? It seems as though

1032
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: organizations that continuously go through brain trains still hold up

1033
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: over time. Ravens, Eagles, Niners. Do they know how to

1034
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: develop scouts and analysts better or do they simply get

1035
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: better people to come work for them through reputation and

1036
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: higher salaries combination of both. Obviously, if you're willing to

1037
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: pay the most, you can steal the best talent, Like

1038
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: if Google, Facebook, Apple, they want a top engineer, they

1039
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: can outbid any company. If Howie Rosman wants to get

1040
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: the cream of the crop, he did this years ago

1041
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: with Joe Douglas Andrew Berry, he will cut a check

1042
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 2: from Jeffrey Leary. I think the Ravens are a good

1043
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: example of and I talked to Darius Hayward Bay who

1044
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: now works for them. They have a culture of what

1045
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: they look for, of how the front office works, and

1046
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: it's been like that for twenty five years. So if

1047
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: you go there to work, they teach you what to do,

1048
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: and you either shape in or shape out. And we've

1049
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: seen a ton of guys over the years shape in

1050
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: and become very very successful organizations. Same thing the Niners

1051
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: are doing now. It starts at the top and then

1052
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: it bleeds down and you teach what you want, what

1053
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: you look for, the type players we like, what's expected

1054
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: of you. It's very very clear, So there's not a

1055
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: guessing game, and I think a lot of teams don't

1056
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: have any identity. All all football programs, college and pro

1057
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: say the same. Shit want tough, hard nos guys that

1058
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: love ball, family, faith and football. Everyone said, we want

1059
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: tough guys, guys that are passionate football's life. It's like, yeah,

1060
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: we get that, but do you know the actual players

1061
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 2: to look for that actually have that. Because the Ravens

1062
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: have figured that out over the years. Kyle Shanahan and

1063
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: John Lynch have a pretty good idea, right how we

1064
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: learn this from Andy A lot of emphasis on the

1065
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. And if you just build up the

1066
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage defensive an offensive line for the most part,

1067
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: you're going to be competitive. So I think, like, let's

1068
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: use the Panthers as an example and the Browns. For years,

1069
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: you just run through people and run through ideas, like

1070
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: what does your organization stand for? Beside like God Family football,

1071
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: There's not like a clear identity. The Ravens have had

1072
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: two guys running the organization and Ozzie's still there for

1073
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: since the nineties. Da Costa has been there forever. He

1074
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: worked under Ozzie for all that time. Packers are a

1075
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 2: good example, pretty sure. Brian Gutikins has been with the

1076
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: Packers for a long long time, from Ron to Ted

1077
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: to Goot. It's like their identity hasn't changed philosophically. They

1078
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: have an idea of exactly what they're looking for. I

1079
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of these teams are just constantly kind

1080
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: of trying to reinvent the wheels starting from scratch. It's

1081
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: not really how it works. And part of it you

1082
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: got to be willing to go through some tough times

1083
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: if you believe in the vision. And this probably works

1084
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: at any walk of life in terms of an industry,

1085
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: if you're constantly changing management. We're all different humans, we

1086
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: all have different beliefs. But any organization that's able to

1087
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: hire from within promote from within because you're able to

1088
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: train those guys. It's why Bill's coaches were so successful.

1089
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: For him. They all started at the bottom in the

1090
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: mail room. He taught them everything they needed enough so

1091
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: by the time they became coordinators or college directors or

1092
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: you know, the his GM and Casario or whatever, they

1093
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: knew exactly what he wanted. So it was all like

1094
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: one vision. There wasn't any guessing games. How many times

1095
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 2: in your office or your job when positions change and

1096
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: new ownership or new management and no one's on the

1097
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: same page, it's like, what are we doing in Everyone

1098
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: below the top guys like this doesn't make any sense.

1099
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: No one says that with the Ravens when they changed

1100
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: from Ozzie to to DaCosta, because nothing changed. Obviously he's

1101
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: a different human, but pretty clear he just watched their

1102
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: team it looks exactly the same. So I think part

1103
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: of it and look at Andy and Veach. I think

1104
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: there's just a clear vision of what is needed and

1105
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: everyone's on the same page. I think that goes a

1106
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: long long way of no guessing, of complete understandment, not

1107
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: just you know, throwing shit at the wall hoping some

1108
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: of it sticks. I think you'd be shocked. It's the NFL.

1109
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: How many I don't want to say, incompetent, how many

1110
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: people are in roles that they have no business for

1111
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: and then it eventually shows for us when we're watching

1112
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: the games. I'm a partner at a wealth management investment firm,

1113
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: that management that manages assets for wealthy families. I love

1114
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: my job, but the worst part is dealing with those

1115
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: that didn't do shit to earn it and yet expect

1116
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: everyone to treat them like they did.

1117
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: So.

1118
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: Your take on Jonathan Kraft couldn't be more relatable. As

1119
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: a Cowboys fan, I have nothing to look forward to,

1120
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 2: considering we got bounced in the first round and our

1121
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: team has only gotten worse. Is there any moves you

1122
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: can see Jerry making that would give us any optimism

1123
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: for the next two or three years. Also, if this

1124
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 2: makes it on the pod, please don't say my name

1125
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: didn't say his name. It's funny, you know, because let's

1126
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: just say, your dad made a lot of money, you

1127
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time around your dad. It just

1128
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: becomes like thrust Moses. I am my dad too, and

1129
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: we've all been around these people. And I've been around

1130
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: people on both sides, people that act like you would

1131
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: never know the kid, and the kids that just are

1132
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: fucking like, are you serious right now what Jim Harbaugh

1133
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: say about Ryan Day born on third base, homie? Some

1134
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: people were born on home plate. And listen, you can't

1135
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: control who your parents are. I could have been born

1136
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: in you know, poverty stricken area somewhere around the world.

1137
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 2: Or I could have been born in you know, Manhattan.

1138
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: My dad's a billionaire. It's all out of all of

1139
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: our control. But it is in your control how you

1140
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: operate and how you think. And you know, Jonathan Kraft

1141
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: to me, I just think you can see this coming

1142
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: from a mile away. I would say with Jerry, I

1143
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: think the best thing at this point in time, why

1144
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: resign Dac, Why extend Dak. You're already under the cap

1145
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 2: with his massive cap number played out. If that happens again,

1146
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: we got to make a different decision, but this notion

1147
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: that you have to extend him. He's better than mediocre,

1148
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: but he's slightly above at when you sign guys like

1149
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: him constantly and then you complain and it wasn't his fault.

1150
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 2: You lost to the Packers. Even though he did not

1151
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 2: play well. The defense was abysmal. I mean, it was

1152
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: probably one of the worst defensive games of the entire playoffs.

1153
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: Actually had to be the worst. Thinking about it, I

1154
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: just think you hope you nail some draft picks. You

1155
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: got Micah Parsons, you got some good defensive lineman, you

1156
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 2: got some good dbs, you got Dak, you got Ceedee Lamb.

1157
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: Maybe hit on a running back, hit on another offensive lineman,

1158
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: and just hope your team, I mean, Jerry's drafted well.

1159
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: You probably have some young players you've never even heard of,

1160
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 2: most of you didn't know who Bland was two years ago,

1161
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 2: so that they do a good job in the draft.

1162
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: And I hope you don't shit the bed in the playoffs.

1163
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 2: And part of it would be maybe Mike Zimmer the

1164
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: defense a little better, especially in big spots. But your

1165
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 2: roster's kind of your roster, and I don't expect some

1166
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: huge like all of a sudden, Tyreek Hills on the

1167
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: team or something. So you just got to hope he

1168
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: hits on the draft picks, which if you're going to

1169
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 2: defend Jerry for one thing, he hits on picks. So

1170
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: if you could land several starters and impact players, maybe

1171
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: a couple of your practice squad guys step up and

1172
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 2: make make big steps, which has happened a lot for

1173
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: you guys over the last several years. Guys could be

1174
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 2: very competitive, but at this point in time, let's face it,

1175
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: we're all judging you. On the playoffs. McCarthy's in his

1176
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: last year. Can't be getting you can't be getting bounced

1177
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: in the first round as a massive, massive home favorite.

1178
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 2: It can't happen. It's also one thing to lose, another

1179
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: thing to get your ass kicked. It's one of the

1180
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: worst playoff losses in a recent memory. I would say

1181
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: the worst playoff loss of the last five years gotta

1182
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: be the Bills. I mean, they're up with thirteen seconds left.

1183
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 2: You can't lose that game. You can put the Cowboys

1184
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: right up there. You really could. They find a way

1185
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: to win the division, get a home game. Jordan Love

1186
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: comes in drops If you said John, what was the

1187
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 2: score of the Cowboy Packer first round game? It feels

1188
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: like it was seventy five to ten. I mean, seriously,

1189
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: that's what it feels like. I mean seriously, it feels

1190
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: like fifty five to fourteen. I don't know. I feel

1191
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: like the final score was actually like forty four to

1192
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: twenty five, but it felt much more like, yeah, fifty

1193
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: five to seven something like that. And Jerry, you trust

1194
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 2: the volume