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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to you, and that's what you really miss podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today we have the one, the only, Darren Chris.

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Speaker 4: That's right. You heard.

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Speaker 3: There may have been a hiccup. We may have thought

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Speaker 3: there wasn't going to be time, but he made it and.

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Speaker 2: You'll hear all about it. We won't keep you. This

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Speaker 2: is a two parter.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy buckle up.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's good. Enjoyed. This is Darren Chris.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Darren.

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Speaker 5: Welcome guys, Thank you for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Do I even was that your airhorn?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? That was it was bad. That's better. This is

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Speaker 5: Do I.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to, but now that I'm sitting here,

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Speaker 4: I'll admit that this is a redo that I got.

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Speaker 4: I like, don't like saying this because I don't like

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Speaker 4: giving people the satisfaction of knowing mine the errors of

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Speaker 4: my ways. But I might as well be up front

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Speaker 4: about it. Uh yeah, this is this was supposed to

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Speaker 4: happen last week and I and it just slipped my mind.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, it happens.

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Speaker 2: It's not okay, it is not okay. Because you don't.

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Speaker 2: It makes me feel a little better about myself because

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Speaker 2: I've always envied how you were able. I feel like

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Speaker 2: is so much higher than mine. I've never been able

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Speaker 2: to comprehend how you do everything. And then last week

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Speaker 2: you didn't show up, and I was like, sometimes.

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Speaker 4: I felt like I felt so so bad. It is

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Speaker 4: the worst. It was mainly, and I called, like I'm

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Speaker 4: very big on calling. I tried to call both of you,

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Speaker 4: and I know the phone calls are kind of passed.

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Speaker 2: We were recording by the time you called me, so

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Speaker 4: Like, man, yeah, for the listeners. This is the reason

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Speaker 4: believe this happens very often. So, if anything, it was

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Speaker 4: a special occurrence. It was the last week, and this

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Speaker 4: would be segway perhaps into what we're talking about. But

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Speaker 4: it was my last week of my run at Little

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Speaker 4: It's set three fourteen pm. Okay, and this I was

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Speaker 4: It's Andrew four and uh and that's what you really for,

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Speaker 2: That's it is the worst feeling in the world. And

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Speaker 4: As I wrote, too your email the email, like I recognize,

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Speaker 4: like if somebody forgets something, it's insulting because you go,

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Speaker 4: Is like no, no, no, I don't want people to feel

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Speaker 4: allowing the battery you're talking about, Kevin to be on

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Speaker 4: low power mode. No, I was allowed to low power mode.

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Speaker 4: You don't do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my whole body reacted.

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad at least the time was spent like

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Speaker 4: That I actually don't hate it at all.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to miss anything, for like, it's fine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very nice. But you know us here we are,

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Speaker 4: thank god. I know. I literally every been on the email,

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Speaker 4: Thank you, I mean, very excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we did a little Christmas special.

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Speaker 5: I felt a little icky about it because I was excited.

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Speaker 4: To see you guys and do the When I say icky,

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Speaker 4: actually a podcast? Yes, so here we podcast.

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Speaker 5: Let's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Let's podcast. What I guess we just got to ask

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Speaker 4: we've been trying to stay up, baby, Kevin, Can I

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Speaker 5: Musical theater stuff. Mm hmm, because it.

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Speaker 4: I think I think musical theater Broadway music is like

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Speaker 4: for an audition, there's something that weekend. Yes, okay, and

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Speaker 4: So because of that, I think I had known, so

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Speaker 2: Guys have been friends for a long time, haven't you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I asked her, I asked her to do.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I would you guys, Yes, I'll do it

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Speaker 5: I would be your guys, dentist.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel the difference between because you've done Broadway

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I love that, love I miss that

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to run for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: The operating house would be too high.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how did I get on Glee?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 4: created star Kid doing that?

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00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 5: Yes?

442
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 4: Yes, So this is all kind of tied with everything.

443
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 4: So I I I liked musical theater in the way

444
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: that like I like food and I like restaurants. But

445
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: I had no desire to be a chef, Like I

446
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 4: had no dreams or aspirations of Like if you told

447
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 4: me in college that I would be Seymour off Broadway,

448
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 4: I'd say, you're fucking high, Like that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, truly,

449
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 4: I may I would be like maybe the dentist, but

450
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 4: like definitely not anything. Because I was around guys and

451
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 4: girls that were you know, I'm eighteen years old. I

452
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 4: go to this university and I see these student productions

453
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 4: and my jaw is on the.

454
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 5: Fucking floor right like, oh my god, holy.

455
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 4: Like I've never heard anybody my age sing and perform

456
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 4: and dance like this. Like I was so enamored with them,

457
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 4: and I had this like debilitating inferiority complex around them.

458
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 4: And again it wasn't like me me saying at this

459
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 4: time I don't do musical theater was no discounting of

460
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 4: what I had to offer. It's just I never I

461
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 4: just never thought I would do it in the way

462
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 4: that I was saying earlier about like unless you grew

463
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 4: up doing it, like I grew up doing it but

464
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 4: at school and high school and it was kind of fun.

465
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 5: But here's the thing.

466
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 4: I was a musician, and I like was I was

467
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 4: in bands and I liked music, and I had a

468
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 4: really heavily like huge musical education and background, so that's

469
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 4: how I could understand and appreciate the musical stuff. But

470
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 4: I also like studied acting most of my life and whatever,

471
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 4: you know, like heavier pedagogical like level than just a

472
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 4: random drama class. Like I went to the Young Conservatory

473
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 4: at in San Francisco, at act from like ten till eighteen.

474
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 4: And not to say that it made me a better

475
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 4: or worse actor. I just had spent more time treating

476
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 4: it like a thing, like like if I was a

477
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 4: basketball player like I've been, I've been doing it often

478
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 4: for a long time, right, like really honing it and

479
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 4: you know, practicing as it were. So acting music, Church

480
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: and State didn't really cross over to my mind, in

481
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 4: my mind, unless I was like playing in a band

482
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 4: or something like I did like a James Taylor musical

483
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: review my my senior year of high school with like

484
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 4: you know, with my friends from from the Young Conservatory,

485
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 4: And in my mind even that wasn't musical theater because

486
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 4: I'm playing folk songs right.

487
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: So much sense because like the amount of time you

488
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: and I have spent talking about music, and the way

489
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: you explain musical theater to me is like you're translating

490
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: thank you, how musical theater people talk about it for me,

491
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: thank you, because like we connect on that music level,

492
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: yes and you. I feel like it now makes sense

493
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: to see how you've like the intersection of that for you,

494
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 2: how it's come out yes to me, and how you

495
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: just talk about it all.

496
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: Right, because I think, Yeah, I come into it from

497
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 4: a different angle, and I didn't really get into like

498
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 4: even all my son time shit and all like the

499
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: stuff that like you know, theater queens and like really

500
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: theater buffs know about is stuff I kind of picked

501
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: up in my twenties because I got really interested in

502
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: in it, because I suddenly realized it had a more

503
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: more viable like, uh I don't know, like existence within it,

504
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 4: which I didn't see coming. So so in college again,

505
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: I think it's amazing. I'm getting I'm hearing shows for

506
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: the first time because I see Assassins or I see

507
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 4: company or I see you're in town. All these student

508
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: productions that were like free, like directed by my friends,

509
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: starring my friends, that you know, are to this day

510
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 4: still some of the best versions of these shows I've

511
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 4: ever seen that really like swept Me Away. So you know,

512
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 4: I'm doing a lot of like plays and stuff with

513
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 4: like the theater, like student theater group called Basement Arts.

514
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 4: I'm directing stuff. I'm just I'm just like so involved

515
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 4: in the extracurricular theater making. It was like a horrible student,

516
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 4: but I really liked, you know, playing bands, like playing

517
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 4: gigs and doing plays that was all I fucking cared

518
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: about doing and seeing as much as possible. So every

519
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 4: every year, this kind of ragtag group of friends that

520
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: I had would do and these were the not musical

521
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: theater people would do like silly versions of like whatever

522
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 4: popular ip. I wasn't in this, but my freshman year

523
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 4: the guys who would eventually start started with had a

524
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: children's playbook version of the Hobbit, okay, and the midnight

525
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: show that they had was a performance of this, but

526
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 4: of course they changed all the dialogue and it suddenly

527
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: became about like the Keebler Elves, and they scored it

528
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: with Celine Dion songs, Oh brilliant, and everyone's drunk and

529
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: high and having a good time laughing at their friends

530
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: doing this dumb thing that it's just funny for us.

531
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: You know, there's like I love it, twenty people in

532
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: the audience, and that's no one's ever supposed to see

533
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: this except us, right, So they did this like every year.

534
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 4: To some degree, there was like a goop We did

535
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: a goofy movie musical. I wasn't there.

536
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: Because I was I was wow.

537
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: Like, there's a Lord of the Rings music. There's a

538
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: lot of things that happened point or another. So the

539
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 4: senior year idea was to do like a Harry Potter

540
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 4: thing and the hair, and I remember Matt Lang who

541
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: who started it with, just put a poster of me

542
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: photoshopped as Harry Potter in in the Walgreen Center, which

543
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 4: was our theater building, and I just said, HP, the

544
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: musical here the dates, you know, with probably half a

545
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: script and like no songs and so everything that I

546
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: wrote for that musically, I wrote half the song as

547
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 4: my friend Age wrote. The other half was just like

548
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: the week of and I played Harry more by just

549
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: nature of well, if I'm writing these songs, I'll just

550
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 4: I'll just do them. And that was like my musical

551
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: theater like debut in many ways. Even though I'd done

552
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: it in high school, I hadn't really done it. And

553
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 4: I did it professionally as a kid. I should say

554
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: I did. I did some like, but I was a kid.

555
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 5: I don't. I didn't.

556
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: You just had to be kind of like, you know,

557
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 4: an adorable kid singing the right notes, but not like

558
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't like Oliver, you know, I was just in

559
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: shows anyways. Story long, I'm you know, the the Harry

560
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: Potter thing was like a fun thing that happened senior year,

561
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: and it was mainly comprised of the non musical theater people.

562
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: There were two musical theater kids in it that were

563
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: only in it because I think they showed up to

564
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 4: our auditions and we were like, why are you here?

565
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 5: You guys are nt kids? Like they're the golden children?

566
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: What are you doing with us weirdos? And I should

567
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: mention well, So the woman who played Bellistrick Bellatrick's The

568
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: Strange Is is a girl the name of Britney Coleman,

569
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 4: who has done several Broadway shows at this point. She's

570
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: currently if you guys in LA and you go see

571
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: the touring company of company, she's Bobby, and we'll be

572
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: Bobby at the Pantagas.

573
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: So that's our Bellatrix.

574
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 4: But she was like the musical theater girl that came

575
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: to our side of the building and we're like, what

576
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 4: are you doing here?

577
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: So she's in it.

578
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: And then another guy my the named Tyler Brunsman who

579
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: ends up playing Lucius Malfoy, and the second one he's

580
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: like a beautiful dancer, and so we ended up using

581
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: their skills more. Okay, I'm getting too into it. So

582
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: the star kid thing started from that. We happened to

583
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: have filmed that that musical because in our classrooms there

584
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: we were I think, I don't maybe I'm getting this

585
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: wrong in my mind. There was like a three camera

586
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: setup that was done because we were doing like a

587
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: multiicam class.

588
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: Okay, m hmm, yeah.

589
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: I could be wrong about that. They also could have

590
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 4: just been there explicitly to film it. Either way, there

591
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: was you know, one or two of the shows were captured.

592
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: And so when we graduated, you know, and everyone's out

593
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 4: in the real world doing their thing. That show was

594
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: the fun game that, you know, the way that like

595
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 4: you know, misty eyed like footballers go ah, the big game.

596
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: In college, it was this big climactic moment of their

597
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: young life, like even a couple months after college.

598
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: Role like whatever, Like didn't you guys film that?

599
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: I would love? Can we watch it? Who has it?

600
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: Can you guys edit that? Because they did edit it

601
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: together and they put it on like a DVD. And

602
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: there's this one DVD that was getting passed and I'm

603
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: sure I'm fucking up some of the details if my

604
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: my friends who remember it better, but I remember moving

605
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: to Los Angeles and so this is so okay, this

606
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: all ties back to that summer that I had right

607
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: after junior year. So this is actually before the Potter thing,

608
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: but the summer I had before senior year, you guys asked, sorry,

609
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: I it all connects, all right. I decided I decided

610
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: to visit those same friends that I had that I

611
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: would eventually start started with in Los Angeles, and I'd

612
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: never really been and from northern California, I was always

613
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: going to go to New York and like and like

614
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: play music and do theater. But I went to LA

615
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: and through a series of events that I probably should

616
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: have spent more time talking about, but I've already wasted

617
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: my time with the other stuff that I won't get into.

618
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 4: Through serious circumstances, I met like it was through Michigan thing,

619
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: I met some like agency people, casting director people that

620
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: that sent me on an audition for what would be

621
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: the pilot of Glee. And so that was the first

622
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: time that Robert l which was the casting director for it.

623
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 4: This was when if you guys remember, because I've now

624
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: learned the war since they were kind of just like

625
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: seeing everybody to kind of build something around.

626
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: So that original pilot. I'll never forget.

627
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: I was staying with my friend Michelle, who was graduating

628
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: from UCLA at the time, and so I stayed in Brentwood,

629
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: And I remember going to the library at UCLA and

630
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: using her student card to print out like the hundred

631
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: pages of the pilot and like getting in trouble for

632
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: like spending so much money on paper. And I remember

633
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: taking this and going to those beautiful like feel like

634
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 4: the Spanish steps in the campus of UCLA, sitting there

635
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: and like reading a pilot. I've never read a pilot before.

636
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: I'd never gone I'd never auditioned for a television show before.

637
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: This was wildly exciting, and the pitch to me was like, oh,

638
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: it's like a music show from the Nip Tuck Guy.

639
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: To contextualize at the time, American Idol is like white Hot, right,

640
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: so they're like, okay, so it's like American Idol, but

641
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: like but kind of like high school musical. Those are

642
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: two kind of huge properties that they're making this. So

643
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: I'm reading this, I'm pretty sure Chris Colfer's character wasn't

644
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: a character. Sue was like a you know, a male guy,

645
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: and just there are a lot of different characters and

646
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: different names and stuff. So I just remember that, and

647
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: I went in like a bunch of other like kids

648
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: my age that had some kind of musical inclination for Finn,

649
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: but not because I was going to be Finn, but

650
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: because they that just people would read and then they'd

651
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: find something around you, Like I wouldn't cast me as

652
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: the big, you know, football like quarterback guy. Also remember

653
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: at this time, like I have like my huge like

654
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: fro and I'm like very charactery. All the parts that

655
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: I would get at this point in my life were

656
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: like the character guy. I was always like the goofy friend,

657
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 4: like the pothead neighbor, like the hippie guy, and like

658
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: that was my thing. I was like, I'm the weird character,

659
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: quirky guy. So that I have to say because that

660
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: was one of my first Hollywood auditions, and I wouldn't

661
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: join your show until maybe two years later. But technically

662
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: I booked my first audition. Every just was delayed. It

663
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: was a dream deferred. So so this happened when I

664
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: auditioned for that show. When you first start auditioning, you

665
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: at that age you kind of take stock in like

666
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 4: tracking what happens to it in a way that you

667
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: learn to not do because you did that for every project,

668
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: you drive yourself. So but in college, like and I

669
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: was going back to school, so like the Super bowls

670
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: on and the show premiers, and I goes, you know,

671
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: I you know, you know, guys, tell you know it's weird.

672
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: I actually I auditioned for the show I got. I

673
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: got a I got a television audition, an audition for

674
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: this show. And then as it's taking off, I'm just like, damn,

675
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: like I can't believe, Like that was the show. That

676
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: the one thing that I did when I went to LA.

677
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: And there's other details that I'm missing that you'll have

678
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: to wait for another time, but uh, nothing that's too

679
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: important for this. So so having said all this, this

680
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: is now that we've kind of gone back and forth

681
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: in time. So my senior year goes by, and I've decided,

682
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: you know what, I think, I'm gonna gonna move. I'm

683
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: gonna move to LA and I'm gonna move with these

684
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: friends of mine who I ended up doing a very

685
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: Potter musical with which it wasn't called it was called

686
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: HP the music all the time. So I'm in LA

687
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: now try now, like back on the audition thing. Glee

688
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: is now like again white hot, and that's the first season.

689
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: And because I'm in LA, it's like, if you're a huge,

690
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, Italian guy from New York, you're probably

691
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: gonna go out for a lot of like stereotypical like

692
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: mob kind of New York gods whatever.

693
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing.

694
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: So if you're if you were a certain age and

695
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: you played music like singing or instrument whatever, like you

696
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: went out for Glee.

697
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: So I think there's this idea that.

698
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 4: People go, wow, like you went out for it this

699
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: many times before you cast it, as if there was

700
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: this like sequence in like validity. It was more just

701
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: like no, you go out for ncas you go out

702
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: for Law and order a lot and then maybe you're right,

703
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: maybe or not. So I went out for Finn, not

704
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: because I was supposed to be Finn, because they were

705
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: just seeing people and I wasn't right for it.

706
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: And then I went out.

707
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: Again for another part that I don't even remember, but

708
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: I remember singing I think one love by you two

709
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: he was a football player. No that was they picked

710
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: that and then didn't get that. But I remember going

711
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: out for that, just like anything else, and then by

712
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: the time the second oh my god, there's so many

713
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: other side notes.

714
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 5: Here, There's so many.

715
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: I have so many weird Glee connections. So rewind a

716
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: little bit before I even booked the show Glee's Big

717
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: I'm in La now auditioning for stuff, my first like

718
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: sag card issuing job, which was so exciting because I'm

719
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: like a month out of college.

720
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 5: This doesn't happen.

721
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. Booked a show on ABC called

722
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 4: Eastwick and I was a guest star recorring. I was

723
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: I was Ashley Benson's like.

724
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: Boyfriend, and I remember because I watched that show because

725
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: you guys, right, yeah.

726
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I this was.

727
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: So exciting for me. Guys like that was I'll never forget,

728
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: just like that's its own saga. But just you know,

729
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 4: out of college and feeling like, wow, I'm in La,

730
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: like shooting a real live TV show and like getting

731
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: paid for it. It was just it was ecstasy. I

732
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: couldn't believe it. And so you know, I got to

733
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: be on a few episodes of this show. You know,

734
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: it's a good lesson and nothing is guaranteed and things

735
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 4: are fleeting in all sort of matters of especially the arts,

736
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: but television and film television particularly. I I got to

737
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 4: do maybe a handful episode before it was canceled. But

738
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 4: when it was on, I think our ship was on it.

739
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: Not no, I think our shows were on at the

740
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 4: same time. Maybe I think talk about it.

741
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they would cross over for a little bit,

742
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: that's right.

743
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: So you guys were like, were you on shows at

744
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: the same time?

745
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 5: Was on at nine or eight? I don't remember.

746
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: I think nine originally? Nine?

747
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: Guys.

748
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: Remember when we used to like watch TV on a

749
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 4: time table. Remember that it wasn't that long ago.

750
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Tuesdays.

751
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: It's been eighty two years, so Tuesdays at eight?

752
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: Oh you know what?

753
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: So you guys were Tuesdays at eight and we were

754
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: Tuesdays at nine on ABC. And I remember because when

755
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: I was waiting to watch my like premiere episode or

756
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: any episode that was on TV, people like, can we

757
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: like watch the end of Glee before that show? And

758
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: I was like, sure, I don't really know much about it,

759
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: but I remember the first time I ever watched Glee

760
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 4: on TV like with any kind of conscious like, Okay,

761
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: I guess I'm watching the show. Was the big episode

762
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: where where Kurt comes out to Burt, which is like,

763
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: now I realize it's a very sort of culturally important

764
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: episode for the show and for your life and for

765
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 4: my life, for my life totally.

766
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

767
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: So I remember seeing that and being like, yeah, it's

768
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: get it's get to spake, right, you know, Like, uh

769
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: so I book the show and on it as this

770
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 4: like character, a poofy hair guy, and I knew about Glee.

771
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 4: That's what that's I said what I wanted to say,

772
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: like I knew about your guys show obvious because it's popular.

773
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: But now I was like also on TV with you guys.

774
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: And here's what happened. I got a a message from

775
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: my agent saying, you know, they're having this like Glee

776
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: thing for MySpace. You guys know where this is going. Yeah, yeah,

777
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 4: all right, And they said they said, you know, you

778
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: should make a video entry for this because you know

779
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: they're casting.

780
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 5: This is pre Glee project. This was even crazier.

781
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: This was a MySpace like I wouldn't call it a

782
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 4: contest competition.

783
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: It was like open call basically open call that eventually

784
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: evolved into how that cast for a Glee project.

785
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: So they're like, you should and meantime sar Kit has

786
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: like kind of taken off in its own way, like

787
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: it's yeah, I was moonlighting as this like person on

788
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: line with this sort of rocky horror esque fan base,

789
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 4: but there was there was such a cognitive distance between

790
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: the the traction and marketability of that that moment to

791
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: like the suits in charge like they they at this

792
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: point in time that check doesn't transfer yet, Like now

793
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: now that's all people pay attention to. But at the

794
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: time it was like this cute little web series like

795
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: people like didn't know how like you know, now people

796
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: chase that they want, they want that kind of activation

797
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: from food, fans engagement. I should say, so at the

798
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: time it's happening, but it has no effect on like

799
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: my my non internet life.

800
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 5: They they are totally set.

801
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: It was a different world. So there was a totally

802
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 4: different world, different times, the Wild West. So like like

803
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: YouTube then was what early TikTok was now, and so

804
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: what TikTok was maybe like four years ago, five years yeah, yeah, anyway,

805
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 4: so she goes so between being on Eastwick in my

806
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: mind going like, well, I'm like a working actor on

807
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: television with a side card and having these people online

808
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: knowing my music I have Billboard charting cast albums that

809
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: I've written. I'm like being hit up by like record

810
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: labels that's taking off in its own side. And she's like,

811
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: you should make a thing for Glee, And I remember saying,

812
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't think that'd be fair, because isn't this meant

813
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 4: for people who don't have access to like Hollywood things,

814
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: like you want to find some kid in the room

815
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 4: like in the middle of Idaho. I would feel guilty

816
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: because people who know this Potter thing and people who

817
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: know Eastwick, if they saw that I was going out

818
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 4: for this, it'd be you know, it'd be it'd be

819
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: like if yeah, like this is an extreme example, but

820
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: be like if if Justin Timberli. I'm not comparing myself

821
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 4: just Timberlake. I'm making upsourde example for the sake of

822
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: making a point, but like if Justin Timberlake auditioned for

823
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: American Idol, It's like, no, he's we know this like

824
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: this guy already. So again, bad example, But in my

825
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: mind it was it would be disrespectful for those people optically.

826
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 5: But I did it anyway because I said, fuck it,

827
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 5: why not?

828
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: And I thought maybe the people who are interested in

829
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: the Potter thing might like give a leg up to

830
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: me any hey, anything to get cast right. It's like

831
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 4: I'm an actor totally. So I made a thing and

832
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 4: I sang on guitar, I did like lean on me

833
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 4: or I forget. I think that was it. And it

834
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 4: was like in my shitty room at the time, and

835
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: you see all my fucking dirty laundry in my bed

836
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: like a fucking idiot, and uh yeah, And so I

837
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: made that video. So cut to finally going in for

838
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: Glee again, maybe the third time. I when after I

839
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: booked that, I think people thought I got it from

840
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: that MySpace video, which is not the case at all.

841
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: I went in like any other audition where I was

842
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: given sides and I and and a key showbiz moment,

843
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: which was, you know the old adage like change your name,

844
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: cut your hair show biz. I did literally that. I

845
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: didn't change my name. My name kind of got moved

846
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: around by accident. So for my whole life, I've been

847
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: Darren Everett Chris my whole life. Any playbill pre you know,

848
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: I need showing you. Darren Everett Chris is my full name.

849
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: I think because my friends in college knew me as

850
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 4: Darren Chris. The stuff online for Star Kid was built

851
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: as Darren Chris, but any playbill, you know, a certain

852
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 4: point of my life, you'd see the full name. I think

853
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 4: Eastwig is actually it's built as Darren Everett Cris. And then,

854
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: for some in my mind, because I was living in

855
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 4: the echo chamber of you know, being up my own ass,

856
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 4: I thought, well, if if I go any further, people

857
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: know me it's Darren Chris, like I can't betray them,

858
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: even though, like you know, relatively speaking, was very like

859
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 4: not as big, so forever and ever. I then became

860
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: just Darren Chris, but like Darren Everett Chris is like

861
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 4: would have been the name forever so Glee, Darren Chris

862
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: is just their no more middle name, and I cut

863
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: the hair off. I remember reading the audition Eastwick has

864
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: been canceled. I'm back to square one and had been

865
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 4: for a while. In the middle of writing my third

866
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: Star Kids show. I'm about to move to Chicago to

867
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 4: work on it because I'm like, fuck this, Like I'm

868
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: doing more with this company and that's exciting, and I

869
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: have more autonomy over that, like going on auditions is crazy.

870
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 4: I can be a composer and in a musical theater writer,

871
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 4: like that's about my life now. So I decided to do this,

872
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: and I get the audition.

873
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 5: I am blithely aware.

874
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: Of the importance of this audition because of you know, everything,

875
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: every little fucking fart that any of you guys did

876
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: made entertainment news, you know, and the idea of a

877
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: new character being Chris's love interest was being picked up

878
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: like that yellow.

879
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

880
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: But I'm the kind of guy that like any audition

881
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: I get. I like stock every person involved. I like

882
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: learn everything about the casting director, everything about the show.

883
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: I try and learn everything that I need to know

884
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 4: to like maximize my chances of being involved in it. So,

885
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: like I remember Mike o Asciella writing a piece about

886
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: you know who this person anyway, So the breakdown, said

887
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: tom Ford, and I look at myself from the mirror

888
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: and I had this big old fro. I'm like, well,

889
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 4: like that, that's that, ain't it? Kid? So I got,

890
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: for the first time in a long time, like a

891
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: very high and tight, like sort of like leading man cut,

892
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: and I wore a what I assumed to be like

893
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: and I read prep school like, okay, I'm gonna wear

894
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: like a prep school outfit. To the audition and I'm

895
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: not gonna be mister like friendly guy, like, I'll try

896
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: and be as debonair as I can. And I went

897
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: in and did the scene and I sang two songs.

898
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: Those songs were they said, a classic and of contemporary.

899
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 4: So I sang a cappella. This is like super nerdy

900
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 4: musical theater, not even musical theater, but like jazz standard ship.

901
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: I sang Roger and Heart's.

902
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 5: Where or when?

903
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 4: Uh wow yeah? And then I sang hit Me Baby

904
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: one more time.

905
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one. That's a really good one.

906
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's why they did a

907
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: gender swap song for my first song. I don't know

908
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: if that influenced it.

909
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: But what happened after that.

910
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: It was like I got to call it two days

911
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: later and they're like you started. I was like, WHOA,

912
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 4: I never met Ryan.

913
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't go through the things you guys

914
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 5: went through.

915
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 4: Did you have a callback? Was it just one audition?

916
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: I have never heard like I never did, like I've

917
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: heard all of your guys and stories, which was like

918
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: and then we met and then we did a chemistry

919
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: reading and all this stuff. I went in for a

920
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: room with Robert Ulrich and a video and a video

921
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: cassette like I should video cassette with my and a

922
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: tape recorder.

923
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was I think I have it on

924
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: my calendar.

925
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: There's like a day like I haven't marked in my

926
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: calendar the day that I went in. There's like the

927
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: day I got the haircut. The next day was the

928
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: day I went in, and then like three or four

929
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 4: days later they called me that I had it, and

930
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: then I started on like the following that is. Yeah,

931
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: it was a fucking rocket ship. That's an understatement. It

932
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 4: was like fucking like yeah. It wasn't even hyper Drive.

933
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: It was like went we went plaid to Spaceball.

934
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: Especially because we were in the process of we shot

935
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 2: an episode and it aired three weeks later, So within

936
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: a month you go from semi note variety with your

937
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: specific group of fans to then being on one of

938
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: the biggest shows in the world all around the world.

939
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and there was a lot of cross playing

940
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: a very important yeah. But but but that's the thing, like,

941
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: I don't know if if it wasn't connected to the

942
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: populator of Chris's thing, I I I owe so much

943
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: to that, Like narrative and people's interest in that narrative,

944
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: because if I'd booked, if I'd booked that other one

945
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: where I sang one love and I was some like

946
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 4: football player, like who knows, Like I don't think anybody

947
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: would have like maybe noticed or or or been just

948
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 4: like kind of leaning in a little bit. Who knows

949
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 4: if I'm being able to show or whatever it is

950
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: that people want to keep you around for.

951
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was.

952
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: It was pretty pretty, you know, pretty quick, and I

953
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: remember getting the part, and there's so many other things

954
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: that you guys never had to go through, so I well,

955
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: I did think so everything about your guys experience is

956
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: so wildly different mind never had to test, never met

957
00:44:53,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: Ryan Murphy until several days into my experience. Uh, differently too. Yes,

958
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 4: that's good that so you know exactly where this is going, catty.

959
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: So you guys did your thing with Adam and Ors.

960
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: I've not met Adam, like I wouldn't meet Adam for

961
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: a while.

962
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: Yes, because I remember you guys. I remember when we

963
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: heard Teenage Dream for the first by the way, so

964
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: we heard Teenage Dream for the first time in dance rehearsal,

965
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: and we were all just flabberg acid, like truly, because

966
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: it had gotten to the point where we were like

967
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: we missed when we did like don't stop was more

968
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: yeah and so and we really loved that, and we

969
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: had gotten to sort of doing like straight covers and

970
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: we were.

971
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: Like, oh, this is brilliant.

972
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: That is so good, Like we need.

973
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 4: How did you how did you hear this?

974
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: And why did you hear why would you have heard.

975
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Of zak Katis Zach Haddatt and brought it into dance

976
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: rehearsal and was like.

977
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: He was working on it to work on the Warbers

978
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: with you guys, and we were like, you play there

979
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: right now?

980
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were like do it. We don't know if

981
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: we're supposed to hear it, but we heard it.

982
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

983
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 5: Wow, what a cool moment.

984
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: And we were all We're like, oh, this is amazing.

985
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: We're like, who was singing? Know what was coming? Yeah?

986
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: It was really wow.

987
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: Do you guys? I have it? I did it.

988
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: I did like a anniversary concert of my time on

989
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: Glee during the pandemic. I called it decade because my

990
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: initials are de Ec, Devin Chris right and then and

991
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 4: then aid aide decade because we were I was trying

992
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: to raise a ton of money. It was like right

993
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: at the live a decade exactly, and it was a

994
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: decade of like Blaine being on the show, and it

995
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: was like still you know, it was still the sunrise

996
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: of of pandemics. So everybody was at home and I

997
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 4: did this live stream thing and we raise a ton

998
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: of money for a lot of stuff. But I like

999
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: unveiled a lot of stuff on this live stream that

1000
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: I'm sure it got ripped and out and about people

1001
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: could probably find it, even though I really hope they

1002
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: didn't because it's like so private and embarrassing. There is

1003
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: a tape of the of the Warbler's rehearsal and it

1004
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: is just, uh, it is horrifying because it like it's

1005
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of like, you know, these lugs of these guys,

1006
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: myself included. I'm not much of a dancer, like doing

1007
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: step touches like kind of heavily, and I look so

1008
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 4: fucking dumb. It's like totally antithetical to how it ended

1009
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: up looking. Thank God for camera magic. But we're just

1010
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 4: like let's go all and like we're really it's bad.

1011
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: It's really really bad. I'm sure when I say I'm

1012
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: already look forward to seeing the edited meme of this,

1013
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: like on a third party situation on TikTok, where I'll

1014
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: I'll see this exact video, your exact reactions intercut with

1015
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: the video that I'm talking about, because on this concert

1016
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 4: I did have had internet, so yeah, so that so

1017
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: he I remember, that's where we because we rehearsed that

1018
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: on the stage at Glee. But that wasn't until well

1019
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: after I had recorded it. So when I so Jenna,

1020
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: when I got the job, like before shooting anything, I

1021
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: think within a couple of days. And this was again

1022
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: wildly exciting because I was like, holy shit, I booked

1023
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: Glee like this, I like knew what that meant or

1024
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 4: at least you have your hopes right, like yeah, yeah,

1025
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: is huge, like in my mind to go back to

1026
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: to keep calling back to ship like I had just

1027
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: booked Star Wars, like I cannot believe it, Like and

1028
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work with Star Wars.

1029
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: Yes, that's it's gay worst yeah oh man.

1030
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: That as a separate as a separate subreddit thread all

1031
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: about gayest Star Wars Like I'm I'm sure I.

1032
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 5: Want to see that start.

1033
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: I can't do that. I'll be in that there's very

1034
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 4: there's slight versions of that. We have a Star Wars show.

1035
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it explicitly gay Star Wars, but I'm

1036
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: curious what what the what the community at large will

1037
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: do with with that information anyway. So so I booked

1038
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 4: this huge thing, right because at this point, I've seen

1039
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: you guys in the magazines and the things, and I

1040
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 4: don't even watch the show a lot. Like my then

1041
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 4: girlfriend my now wife like love the show and like

1042
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: would watch it, and I'm kind of watching in the

1043
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: background because I'm I don't watch a lot of TV,

1044
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: you know, so, but I'm aware, like it's one of

1045
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: those shows that you had to have lived under a

1046
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: rock not to be aware of. Right, it was so

1047
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: culturally big that I was totally ware that's being a.

1048
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 5: Part of that.

1049
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, But but that was at a time where you

1050
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: could like think of how we're saturated now with shit.

1051
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: It's it's not it's democratized, like we are kind of

1052
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 4: choosing what we're saturated with. Okay, there's a certain certain

1053
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: amount of like control that you have of your algorithm,

1054
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: like all the shit that you're buying and all the

1055
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 4: shit that you subscribe to is an amalgam of decisions

1056
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: that you have kind of like kind of put out

1057
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: there that you're into X, Y, and Z, so your

1058
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: echo chamber is still tailored to you if you don't

1059
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 4: give a fuck about like like teenage content, ya music whatever,

1060
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 4: Like you could not avoid this shit. It was everywhere,

1061
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 4: So that's pretty extraordinary. So I knew that was on

1062
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 4: the horizon and I was very excited and I loved

1063
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 4: the song. I remember going like, oh, sick, like this

1064
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: is a great song that I get to sing, Like

1065
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: how fun. At this point in my life, I have

1066
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: my experience with recording music is like very amateur, Like

1067
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: I've recorded stuff with friends and you, but I've probably

1068
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 4: spent more time, you know, trying to record than maybe

1069
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: most people in my age, maybe most people in your

1070
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: guys's position, Like I don't have many people many records

1071
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: you would have made, like oh, I guess no, Kevin

1072
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: you had your thing, and then Jenny you had recorded

1073
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 4: Broadway stuff, So maybe I shouldn't say that, but not everybody.

1074
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean I think I came into that

1075
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: with the most recording experience probably, Yeah, you're probably right, yeah, yeah,

1076
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: in the studio experience, Yeah, so.

1077
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: In my mind, I think, oh boy, I've had all

1078
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: this experience when I really haven't in relativity, But regardless

1079
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: of that being true or not, they they send me

1080
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: the demo of the song, and you know, I'm aware

1081
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: of the collegiate a cappella tradition because Michigan had their

1082
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: own thing, and like there's the whiff and Poofs and

1083
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: the the Dillo's and all these people like from different

1084
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: Ivy League schools that have like a proud American history,

1085
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: and the Beelzebubs are from uh Tufts and so I

1086
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 4: knew about them sort of, I guess culturally. I can't

1087
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 4: say I was like super up to date and the thing,

1088
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: but I knew that they were the ones that had

1089
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 4: on this arrangement and so I heard that. I thought

1090
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: that was really neat. It's an all male group, uh

1091
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 4: and they flew me. It was like my first Like

1092
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: I don't think sad contracts do this anywhere, but this

1093
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 4: was at a time where I think all the flights

1094
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: were supposed to be first class for like things yea,

1095
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 4: which is crazy, like I had never like flown first

1096
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 4: class anywhere. And I remember, so I booked a job

1097
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: and they're like you got to go record Like this

1098
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: was the sexiest thing for like a twenty two year

1099
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: old like out of college to hear, or maybe it's

1100
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: twenty three, but they're like, all right, here's the you

1101
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: just booked the biggest show in the world. You got

1102
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: to get on a plane to New York City like

1103
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: tomorrow to go record this record at Avatar Studios. I'm like,

1104
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: oh my fucking god. Like Avatar is a storied studio.

1105
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: It's now Berkeley College of Music now owns it and

1106
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: runs it. But like I was going to Avatar, getting

1107
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 4: flown first class to New York by the way, to

1108
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 4: also get to see like this girl I'm dating at

1109
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: the time who lives in New York. So was like

1110
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: plus plus plus plus plus, Like fucking I'm coming in

1111
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 4: first class. Yeah, we were recording studio. Oh my god.

1112
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: I recorded several songs by being flown first class and

1113
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: put up to go record music. I remember, I was

1114
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: like the only reason why so a guy the name

1115
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: of Tommy Farreger, who was the producer of the Warblers album,

1116
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: And it was a totally separate experience and I now know,

1117
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: you know, after everything else happened, that it was definitely

1118
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: not the way things were done, guys.

1119
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 5: I I'm careful with.

1120
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 4: Me saying this. I think of Joey in Friends. He goes,

1121
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 4: I write some of my own dialogue, and like the

1122
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: writers like write them off, they get mad. So when

1123
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 4: I say, yeah, okay, So when I say I comped

1124
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 4: my vocals, I'm not saying that I was there like

1125
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: doing like on the board, putting the things together. But

1126
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: I recorded that like you would record, like I should say,

1127
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: perhaps a more normal record, because normal for people listening.

1128
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: You know that we did these very quickly. There was

1129
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: a guide track that we had to follow, which wasn't

1130
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 4: because we couldn't do it ourselves.

1131
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 5: It was just for time management's sake.

1132
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: It was. It was a very efficient smart way to

1133
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: help us along, especially if you didn't know the song.

1134
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: You know so, but it was it was built to

1135
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: move quickly for the sake of shooting, for the sake

1136
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: of the performers, for the sake of the people that

1137
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 4: had to edit it and sent to Sweden. That's a

1138
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: whole I'm sure you guys have talked about that on

1139
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: the show. The music on the show was an extraordinary

1140
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: machine that needed to run quickly. Quicker than any record

1141
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: making machine should have to work in any fucking situation

1142
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 4: around the clock. So around the clock, which I mean

1143
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: that that to me, they are really the unsung, unintended,

1144
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: like heroes of Clay, the Andrews brothers and the gentleman

1145
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: in Sweden there who's was his name? God, I gotta

1146
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 4: go Pierre, yeah, pair, Pierre Pear Pear, not Pierre, that's

1147
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: French Pear yes pair. So I would go out to

1148
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 4: New York to do this, and the first night it

1149
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: was like an all night of thing where we went,

1150
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: we like kind of found it. I like kind of

1151
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: there wasn't a guide. So I'm kind of deciding what

1152
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: to do, how I want to do it, how I

1153
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: want to double it. I'm making suggestions. I've like written

1154
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: out what I want to do, like, okay, well I

1155
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 4: want to copy Katie. So like I you know, I

1156
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: was kind of in the driver's seat and I'm not

1157
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: saying like I made the record, like there was obviously

1158
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 4: a track, but in my mind, I'm like, okay, so

1159
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 4: we're making a record, like and I was really there's

1160
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: a lot of choices in there that were very deliberate

1161
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: from me, and I'm really again careful, because I don't

1162
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: want to make it sound like whatever happened with that

1163
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: song is because of that. It was more because I

1164
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: didn't know what else the thing was. Like I was

1165
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: just hey, sing this song, okay, So if I'm going

1166
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 4: to sing it, here's what I would do. And I

1167
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: remember choosing different things and listening to the Katie record

1168
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: and trying to be as close to her as possible,

1169
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: but given the wow parameters of an a cappella song

1170
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 4: and like being in there and we're we're kind of

1171
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: putting the vocals together and we're like comping, deciding what

1172
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 4: we want to do that maybe not that, and then

1173
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 4: we take a break, get some dinner, come back, and

1174
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 4: like we made that record, like I remember it very well,

1175
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 4: like being yeah. And I did that with like a

1176
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 4: lot of my first like five or six songs. I

1177
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 4: even I even didn't like a recording that I had

1178
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 4: and ended up recording like at Home with a buddy

1179
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: a redo of a vocal for one of the songs

1180
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: that'd be on my album with my friend in his house,

1181
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 4: like after the fact, Like I would never do that.

1182
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: So much more creative, like say and direction than than

1183
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: any of us had, which.

1184
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 4: I wouldn't argue is a good or bad thing. It

1185
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: was just by like I'm sure if Adam heard that,

1186
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: he'd be like, well, that's why it sounds like, you know,

1187
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 4: like I don't know it's it's not a good or

1188
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 4: bad thing. It just was what it was. And I

1189
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: would say there was also a great deal of freedom,

1190
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 4: as they're like like all things like there was you know,

1191
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 4: there was a great deal of freedom for me at

1192
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 4: least when you show up and do the When we

1193
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 4: did stuff with the Anders, it was such a tight

1194
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: machine that like, this is what we're doing is helpful

1195
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: when you're like, okay, good, I'm not gonna try to

1196
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: do time to be creative.

1197
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: It does and you need like we had an all minor.

1198
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 4: I remember like ordering Thai food like three in the

1199
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: morning and being like, ah, it's a good thing that

1200
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 4: I've already laid all the tracks down because this is

1201
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: going to make me tired and not sing as well.

1202
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: But we were just here to comp like I was

1203
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 4: doing production work and again mainly done by the producer

1204
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 4: and his and his engineers, but you know, I'm back

1205
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 4: there sort of like you have input you're making Yeah,

1206
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 4: I had collaborative input, like you know what again bad example?

1207
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 4: But Rick Rick rubining from the background, being like, what

1208
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 4: if we tried this? Can I try this? If? I

1209
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 4: not because I thought I had good ideas, but because

1210
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: it seemed like the space that that was how we

1211
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 4: do stuff.

1212
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: Is if somebody I cast in that that didn't have

1213
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: you had experience creating things, and so you had been

1214
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 2: doing that and you've been successful at it a couple

1215
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: of years leading up to this. So if somebody else

1216
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: just got cast in it and got flown to New

1217
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: York and it had no prior recording experience, which is

1218
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: very likely or creating.

1219
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 4: Who knows, who knows what that would have been Like yeah,

1220
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: just well I think you know that's where a producer

1221
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: comes in, Like Tommy Fair who did all those records,

1222
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: like probably would have been I think he saw my

1223
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: sort of like willingness and interest in being a little

1224
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: more proactive and sort of like calibrated his dial like

1225
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 4: appropriately in the way that I did as well, like

1226
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: I saw space. So I said, Okay, I'm gonna try

1227
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: and like be in it as much as I can.

1228
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 4: But you're right, like, if maybe somebody didn't have that,

1229
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: who knows what would have happened different, but I think

1230
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: it's like it would be very different.

1231
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: It was such a asset I think probably for the

1232
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: show that you ended up getting that and getting put

1233
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: into that position to be able to sort of handle that.

1234
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that I

1235
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: know now about how I function in a creative space

1236
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 4: that I'm grateful that I was able to bring that

1237
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: that that was like a welcome space for it, because

1238
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: you know that it certainly made me more satisfied with

1239
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: what we were doing. And you know, there's something to

1240
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: be said of like having a piece of yourself be

1241
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 4: in something right like that and maybe felts on the

1242
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: record a little more. I don't know if there's something

1243
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: more that more native to my my, my singular whatever

1244
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 4: that is that got to be present in a way

1245
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: that that can only help, Because even if it didn't

1246
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 4: take off, if the people didn't catch on to it,

1247
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: I still would have walked by being like cool, I

1248
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 4: did my my.

1249
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: You got to do your thing on this gigantic show,

1250
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: and on the gigantic record.

1251
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 5: You're like, right, cool, Exactly.

1252
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 2: I got to like put my because we didn't and

1253
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: you experienced that shortly after, like when you do go

1254
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: in with Adam to record because we were so short

1255
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: on time, you in for better or for worse a

1256
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: lot of times probably better. Like you said, we didn't

1257
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: have any sort of There was one track that I

1258
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: there was no guide for the ad libs, and Adam

1259
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: was sick, and so they're like, just do what you

1260
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: want and I was like, uh, I don't, and I

1261
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: reverted to my seventeen year old self and just.

1262
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 4: Did boy band ad libs. Like I panicked, what song

1263
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 4: was that for? It is what it feels like for

1264
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: a girl? And do you like how the record turned

1265
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: out that it sound like you?

1266
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: It sounded like me, not Artie. And it was freaky

1267
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh this is this could have

1268
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: been like an NLTS, this could have been boy band

1269
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: and I completely because would they take out any of that.

1270
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: It's like going to the gym with a trainer where

1271
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: you don't have to think about it.

1272
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: Just tell me what right, tell me what to do,

1273
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 4: and I'll it's it's exactly what it is, and that

1274
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: has its restrictions and its freedoms. It's like I don't

1275
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 4: want to say I say anything that sounds remotely uncomplimentary

1276
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 4: to sure Alex, because yeah, it's like there are First

1277
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: of all, they have to like protect people who probably

1278
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 4: don't have as much musical background, right, they.

1279
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 5: Need that direction.

1280
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even for me, like when songs are outside

1281
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: of your wheelhouse, oh right.

1282
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: Most of what we did was not in our wheelhouse.

1283
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: Right, So if you don't naturally, if I'm singing Whitney Euston,

1284
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: I can't sing like fucking Witney use you cry your

1285
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 4: fucking mind. So it's like if you have a thing

1286
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 4: that is like a template for me to abide by,

1287
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 4: like thank god, you know.

1288
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: And they were brilliant because they would have the sorry

1289
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: to cut you off, but they demo singers also evolved

1290
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: to sort of match our styles. They were so good

1291
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 2: at it where they would even like us and say

1292
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: certain pronunciations of words like us.

1293
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: It was really.

1294
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: Remarkable to like get a demo and you wouldn't have

1295
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: to see the lyric sheet. You'd know who was who

1296
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: just off of how they were singing it.

1297
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: There are definitely and this is this is a I'm

1298
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 4: careful saying this because but I guess the podcast is

1299
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 4: what you really missed on Glee. There are definitely especially

1300
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 4: if it wasn't like the key singer. Well no, even

1301
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: if I was the key singer on something where there

1302
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 4: were like licks or runs or stuff that were not

1303
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: in like my natural wheelhouse or ability that like I know,

1304
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 4: you guys what I'm talking about, Like where you'd be

1305
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: sent the demo and it's like Storm or something like

1306
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 4: oh my god, huge, like like motherfuckers with a capitol.

1307
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: A beast.

1308
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: I would cuss my brain's out, and that's I'm like,

1309
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? And he also sound did these

1310
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: singers unreal?

1311
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 5: By the way, have you guys talked about them?

1312
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: You should have them on the show, like you should

1313
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: have the guide singers and the ecosystem of l A.

1314
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 4: Session singers would blow your fucking mind.

1315
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: They put every single person on the show to shame.

1316
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: We had him on the show and Adam and nice

1317
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: talking about just as small.

1318
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: But those session singers in believable.

1319
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1320
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: Like Storm's voice, for example, was so his tone was

1321
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: so cool that you'd get in there and you'd hear

1322
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: and like, I just want to hear his version of

1323
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: this record.

1324
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: I don't exactly And in case, in case, you guys

1325
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: are are are clocking in something that we're being very

1326
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 4: casual about. Yes, his name is Storm, all right, he's

1327
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 4: got a fucking X men's name, and he is a

1328
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 4: back Yeah, he's a session singer for Glease. So I

1329
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: would hear a version of a song that we're gonna sing, like,

1330
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: you get a script and says, okay, you're singing the song,

1331
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 4: and then they send you the demo version of it, demo

1332
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 4: pretty much fully produced, just with a vocal that isn't

1333
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 4: yours and it's Storm singing. It's like, holy shit, Like

1334
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 4: I can't do that. So I would go in and

1335
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 4: I would do my best to match what they did,

1336
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: at varying degrees of success, and there are certain runs

1337
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 4: that I know, I just I can't do, like that's

1338
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 4: just not how my voice operates that you would you'd know,

1339
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 4: you'd kind of get close to it. And then when

1340
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: I hear the final product, I go, well, you know,

1341
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: thanks Melodine, like thank you, thank you.

1342
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: My middle name was that by the end of that show,

1343
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: are you kidding me? I would get those Luke Edgemont

1344
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: demos and I'd be like, oh Jesus Christ, not a

1345
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: chance in hell I'm gonna be able to do that.

1346
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: I learned more things about my voice and how to

1347
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: sing based off of never meeting this man for years

1348
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: and just hearing his voice on the demos, and I

1349
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: eventually got his number and would just yell at him like.

1350
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: You're a most dud.

1351
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 5: Luke was.

1352
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: Luke was a warbler, Yes, and like one of, if

1353
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: not one of, like the best singer I've ever heard.

1354
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's an unbelievable singer. Yeah, I sing.

1355
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: I would get some of those, you know, the finish recordings,

1356
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: like thank you Alex for yeah finessing that because I

1357
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: had a bad day. I did not sound like that

1358
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: when I recorded at Last with Amber, But yeah, thank

1359
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: you Glee Music production team for making me find I

1360
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: can sing.

1361
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 5: I joke.

1362
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 4: I joke about this, and I keep saying I have

1363
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: to be careful, but everybody to be careful. I uh,

1364
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: I joke about how you know, people go like, oh,

1365
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 4: it's so photoshopped or it's so auto tuned, and I go, yeah,

1366
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 4: it's thank god, yeah you can.

1367
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 5: You know, you don't want to see what I really like.

1368
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 4: You don't hear what I really.

1369
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: Sound, And the amount of time we were recording that

1370
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 2: in too, it's like, sure, maybe if we had enough

1371
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: time to rehearse it. Maybe I don't even know, but

1372
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 2: you know, forty minutes and recording something.

1373
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: I want to clear something up for listeners that I

1374
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 4: think for a long time people have conflated the idea

1375
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: of what autotune is with lack of ability, and I

1376
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 4: want to clear this up for any like non musicians,

1377
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 4: if you understand what that is. Okay, So autotune is

1378
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 4: a is a is a plug in is a device

1379
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 4: you can use with audio that sort of like like

1380
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 4: puts a grid to the notes. So if you're in

1381
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: the key of C major and you are singing and

1382
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: see if you are slightly off that grid, it'll you know,

1383
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 4: match it to that sound. Which, depending on how heavy

1384
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 4: you have it on something, you'll either have that really fun,

1385
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: t pain share like sound or you'll have like something

1386
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 4: that just seems a little off. And there's varying ways

1387
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 4: to use it with taste nowadays, autotune, to me, even

1388
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 4: when in session singing is like is just like a preset.

1389
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 4: It's like reverb or.

1390
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 5: Or like compression.

1391
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 4: It's just part of the sauce that people use to

1392
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 4: like record.

1393
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 5: Now.

1394
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 4: I have mixed feelings about this because you could say, well,

1395
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 4: you need to have more purity of voice to get

1396
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 4: the tone, but depending on the style, Like, I'm actually

1397
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 4: okay with that sound because it is what I compare

1398
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: autotune to teeth whitening.

1399
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 5: The problem.

1400
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 4: Healthy teeth are off white. They're off white, like they

1401
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: don't look as synthetic as we've now told ourselves. Healthy

1402
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 4: teeth are supposed to look like. So if you had

1403
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 4: a healthy ass mouth and you took a health and

1404
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 4: you gave a healthy ass, beautiful smile on a red

1405
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 4: carpet where there are unhealthy amounts of lights, your teeth

1406
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 4: are gonna look off and you're gonna be like, oh,

1407
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 4: this person needs to whiten their teeth, and you're like, well, actually,

1408
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 4: their teeth are fine. It's just that you're used to

1409
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: a different standard of what singing is supposed to sound

1410
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 4: like now, and the way that if you hear a

1411
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 4: singer sing with their natural voice record in a certain

1412
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 4: way with a certain amount of electronic recording and digital

1413
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 4: processing it and production, you suddenly go, why do they

1414
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 4: sound off? It's because there there's now an expectation of

1415
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: a certain sound. So having said that, there autotune is

1416
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 4: uh is used in all kinds of different ways where

1417
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 4: I think it's it's a stylistic choice. It's not a

1418
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 4: band aid for people that cannot sing. Now, granted this

1419
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 4: does exist, but it can be. I remind everybody that

1420
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 4: I believe everybody on this show could sing and had

1421
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 4: a great voice, even the people that said they didn't sing.

1422
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 5: I loved Corey's voice.

1423
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 4: I loved when Corey saying they had a very.

1424
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 5: He had a very.

1425
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 4: He had a sweetness to his voice, and they're like

1426
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 4: a lot better better, And he got better and better

1427
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 4: because we because we were doing it so fucking often

1428
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 4: that it's just stood to reason. So we were all

1429
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: getting better. So everybody could sing. I don't think like

1430
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,959
Speaker 4: there were some people that visited that aren't necessarily like

1431
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 4: like capital A capital capital as singers, I would say

1432
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 4: a plus singers, but like they everybody could sing and

1433
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 4: sing well. Right.

1434
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 5: So, because of the style of the show and the style.

1435
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 4: The music that we were doing, it was important to

1436
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 4: create the music like it was already familiar to people's

1437
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 4: ears on the radio, which is has this sort of

1438
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 4: autotune sound. So it's just sort of dressing correctly for

1439
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 4: the dress code of the party. It would sound incongruous

1440
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: if it didn't have that. So the last thing I'll

1441
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 4: say about the autotune thing is Melodine, which Melodine is

1442
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: a pitch correction software that can literally move sort of

1443
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 4: the waveform around to literally make things happen that like

1444
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 4: weren't there before.

1445
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: It's a little more detailed than autotune.

1446
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 4: You can get in there and find yeah, it's a

1447
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 4: draw literally draw it in. So when you're talking about

1448
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 4: these really quick runs that happen in a fraction of

1449
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 4: a second that like maybe you didn't hit because you

1450
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 4: were sick, or you can't sound like storm, they would

1451
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: do those because you got close enough and it sounds

1452
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 4: fucking cool. So I'm careful because I don't want people think, well,

1453
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't really actually do it. I think

1454
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 4: the majority of what counts for those records is the character,

1455
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: the attitude, the character, like the characterization and the oomph

1456
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 4: and that sort of dynamic nuance that everybody brings to

1457
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 4: a performance, like whether or not you could do this

1458
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: dumb fucking like acrobatic run so superfluous, compared to like,

1459
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 4: did you bring like the performative element, which is really

1460
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 4: what the job is of a vocal director and a

1461
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 4: producer to get like the attitude and the feeling which

1462
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 4: I think everybody gave in the room, you know, whether

1463
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 4: or not they got those dumb things that you know

1464
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 4: at the melodine. So I don't want anybody like thinking, oh,

1465
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 4: you're just like Autoto and everything. It's like, that's such

1466
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 4: an unfair assessment of the work of you know, the

1467
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 4: music on the show. So I've always wanted to say

1468
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 4: that no, I'm not I did. I'm glad you did.

1469
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: Because and the other thing is most producers, and especially

1470
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: Alex who vocal produced us most of the time, he

1471
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 2: would make you do a take over and over and

1472
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: over and not have to rely on melodine like you

1473
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: were going to get get it physically possible. And then

1474
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: if need be, he'll go in there and you know,

1475
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 2: finetsic smooth it.

1476
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 4: Out a little bit for you because because the energy

1477
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 4: was there right like you can't like you can, but

1478
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 4: it'll sound like garbage.

1479
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 5: You can.

1480
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 4: There's a great Southern expression. I don't know if this

1481
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 4: is from a Texas one, Kevin, but making a silk

1482
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 4: purse out of sow's ear, like if need be, you

1483
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 4: can like make something out of a bullshit thing, but

1484
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 4: it will sound so clearly wrong, it'll.

1485
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 5: Sound like it's synthetic.

1486
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 4: So if you have the energy and the intention of

1487
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: the thing, even if you're a fucking like hair off

1488
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 4: of precision, melodine is a useful tool to kind of

1489
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 4: just just lock it in place, you know, just in

1490
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 4: a way that they can it's you know, a concealer

1491
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 4: or fucking you know, like photoshop and your you know.

1492
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: I think his teething is a good thing. Is a

1493
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: good example because our ears as a public are so

1494
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: trained to now hear perfect pitch in a way and

1495
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: the quality, like when you use AutoTunes specifically in melodine,

1496
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 2: there's a certain quality. They have different qualities, but if

1497
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 2: you're used to hearing them, then you can pick it up.

1498
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: And I think the general public doesn't even know that

1499
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: they're used to hearing records a certain way now, and

1500
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: that is like extremely on ridge, and that is with

1501
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: this whatever quality mystical quality autotune has.

1502
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 4: Well, Okay, do you guys rem the first time you

1503
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 4: saw yourself in the pilot or on any like film scenario. Yeah, yeah,

1504
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 4: the film quality, like the visual experience of seeing yourself

1505
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 4: on film. I believe it's thirty five million meter. I forget.

1506
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 4: But if before digital cards, you see yourself in film, you're.

1507
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 5: Like, wow, I'm on like TV. Like the look of that.

1508
01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: Film grain totally like immediately plugs you into the experience

1509
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: of a TV, a movie thing, an elevated captured video

1510
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 4: thing that is not a home video recorder. Correct, Wow,

1511
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 4: this looks professional. This is real now. In the same

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01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 4: way that when people are recording themselves a little bit

1513
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 4: of autotune and compression and reverb, they're like, wow, I

1514
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 4: sound like the radio out of the box. Which again,

1515
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 4: but it can be good, it can be very bad.

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01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 4: It doesn't. It depends how you harness it and where

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 4: you use it, and you know, and what your natural

1518
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 4: ability is to sort of bypass that.

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01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's true.

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 4: There's a thing about like when people are like writing

1521
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 4: so I don't know if you've have been writing sessions, Kevin,

1522
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 4: more like when you're kind of just toplining stuff, it's

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 4: like you put you leave the autotune on just so

1524
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 4: you can kind of find, oh, it's the best enough.

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 2: That's my favorite tool is like you put on a mic,

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: you turn the autotune just like all the way up

1527
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,919
Speaker 2: and then you just throw out some random melodies because

1528
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 2: it will just get you there. Then you can hear it.

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you.

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 4: Record, but of course yeah, and it would sound again,

1531
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 4: it would sound like weird, like in the way that

1532
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 4: people got used to hearing vocals with reverb on it,

1533
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 4: you know, like like when that kind of started happening

1534
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 4: in the sixties and people would like record and people

1535
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 4: don't even know about like chambers. Yeah, like that's a

1536
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 4: whole other like thing that like you don't know, but

1537
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 4: you feel yes, so you would hear. But I think

1538
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 4: the point of this is that you know, who doesn't

1539
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 4: need autotune or anything on their voice is blue Jadu

1540
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 4: and storm and storm and amber.

1541
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 5: They just sound like that.

1542
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: And there's a great story about one of Adele's producers

1543
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 4: where you know, she comes in, it's the first time

1544
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 4: they're working together, and at this point she's you know,

1545
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 4: wildly successful musician and singer. And you know, when you

1546
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 4: get a singer in the booth, there's this kind of

1547
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 4: moments like let's just sing something down, let's get let's

1548
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 4: get levels right. That's like the baseline, like figuring it

1549
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 4: out let's just get levels figured out, you know, can

1550
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 4: EQ stuff and kind of figure out what are sort

1551
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 4: of baseline console setup is going to be to receive

1552
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 4: these vocals and record them. Whether it's with autoune or

1553
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: compression or any processing, any vocal stuff, you just do

1554
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 4: it as to figure out the singer. And the story

1555
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 4: goes like she just starts singing and the producer goes, oh, yeah,

1556
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 4: that's that's just what you sound like. There's nothing that

1557
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 4: just comes out of you, that just comes out of

1558
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 4: you like, let's go. And that's you know, when you're

1559
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 4: talking about some of the great singers of the world

1560
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 4: that just have this thing that is like, wow, just

1561
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna record you.

1562
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

1563
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and capture you know, it does my job to

1564
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 4: capture the magic that you just spew everywhere and organize

1565
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 4: it somewhere. Yeah.

1566
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 5: That that ain't me. It is what I'm saying.

1567
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 4: Same.

1568
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: That's why you can go to an Adel concert and

1569
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: listen to an Adel album and it sounds the same, and.

1570
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 4: It sounds the same because that's just what she fucking

1571
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 4: sounds like. Yeah, that's her whole bag.

1572
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: Well, there's more to there's a lot more Glee.

1573
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: Talk to come much more Glee. So Darren and I

1574
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: get into the weeds about music. It happens.

1575
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: You guys do that on used to do that on

1576
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: set to you, just like I talk music all the time.

1577
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 4: He sends me music.

1578
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing. But you guys are just

1579
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: the music guys.

1580
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute. Okay, Well, stay tuned. Thanks for joining us.

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoyed Part one of Darren's Stay

1583
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: tuned for. Part two will be out soon.

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01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,400
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1585
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,200
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1586
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,320
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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,400
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