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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Whipsmarties. This week's work in progress is particularly special

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Speaker 1: and close to my heart, not only because today's guests

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Speaker 1: and I are going to talk about a movie we

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Speaker 1: made together, but because today's guest happens to be one

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Speaker 1: of my oldest friends from my first job. You may

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Speaker 1: remember a little show called One Tree Hill, and today

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Speaker 1: we are joined by none other than Brian Greenberg. You

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Speaker 1: may not know that Brian was born in Oklahoma, Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: and then raised in Saint Louis, Missouri. He graduated from

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Speaker 1: New York journey, was on shows like Law and Order,

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Speaker 1: booked his big screen debut in a civil action. He

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Speaker 1: worked on several amazing TV series, including The Sopranos, also

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Speaker 1: via a wonderful movie called The Perfect Score, which led

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Speaker 1: him to work on One Tree Hill and play our

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Speaker 1: very favorite Jake Jigalski. He left us to go work

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Speaker 1: on a show produced by none other than George Clooney

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Speaker 1: for HBO, which we're all still a little sad about,

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Speaker 1: but it's okay. He's gone on to make so many

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Speaker 1: incredible films, like one of my very favorite rom coms,

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Speaker 1: Ever Prime, and Casually. While doing all of this, has

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Speaker 1: released a number of albums. He is an incredible singer songwriter.

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Speaker 1: He also is a wonderful dad. He and his lovely wife,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Chung have two beautiful little boys, and Jamie happens

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Speaker 1: to be in this incredible film with us as well.

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Speaker 1: The film is called Junction. It is coming out in

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Speaker 1: theaters Friday, January twenty sixth. Junction chronicles the modern day

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Speaker 1: opioid crisis in America from three different points of view,

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Speaker 1: the CEO of a pharmaceutical company, a doctor who prescribes

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Speaker 1: the medications, and a patient who is addicted to them.

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Speaker 1: Each character is going to have to come face to

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Speaker 1: face with all of the decisions they've made, all of

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Speaker 1: the complexities of their lives, and what their roles are

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Speaker 1: in this epidemic. The movie is powerful and emotional and

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Speaker 1: inspiring and at times scary and at times funny. Brian

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to talk with him about it,

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Speaker 1: because not only does he star in it, not only

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Speaker 1: did he direct it? He also wrote it. It's been

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Speaker 1: a passion project of his for the last four years,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so proud to be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him forgetting it made. And I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: like me, you have so many questions for him. So

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Speaker 1: let's dive in and hear from Brian. Well, this feels

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Speaker 1: really exciting. I can't believe that we're sitting here. You know,

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Speaker 1: we just went to an event a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: It's a ward season, and you know, everybody's out celebrating movies,

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Speaker 1: and you posted that photo of us and you were like,

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Speaker 1: our friendship is twenty years old, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, our friendship is almost old enough to

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Speaker 1: order a beer in a bar.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Our friendship could go to war, for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Like, what, yeah, is happening.

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Speaker 2: Our freshman, I mean our Yeah, our our friendship is

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Speaker 2: would be a sophomore in college or a junior in college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sophomore in college. I know we all do this

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Speaker 1: because we've been friends forever. But you know, you look

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Speaker 1: for help when we need it or like advice. Now

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Speaker 1: saying our friendship is twenty years old. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I always have to kind of pick

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Speaker 2: for myself now. I'm like a father too. I'm always like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I have to be like the authority. But you, in

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Speaker 2: even like being a director, you're just like, oh, you're

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Speaker 2: not used to be having that, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like there's just a perpetual state of

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Speaker 2: I think what it is when you, you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really realize everybody's just kind of faking it

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Speaker 1: I think everyone always says hindsight's twenty twenty. It's really

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Speaker 1: how all the dots connect. And if we go back

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I wanted to be like I remember, I

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Speaker 2: wanted to be a baseball player and a mad scientist.

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Speaker 2: And I'm one of those weirdos that I fell in

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Speaker 2: I have such like a I've had an amazing life.

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Speaker 2: I'm very grateful, but I do feel like I've had

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Speaker 2: a very narrow focus in point of view my entire life,

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Speaker 2: Like I've only through the filter of storytelling and being

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. How how did you wind up doing

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you the origin story, right, Yeah, So my

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Speaker 2: And I just loved it. I was like getting in wardrobe,

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Speaker 1: And what was that like? I mean, did going for

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Speaker 2: No, it's funny. I mean, my I was so ambitious

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Speaker 1: We didn't need to figure out how to sneak into

433
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: comedy shows or whatever. And you were so cool. You

434
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, come on, guys. You were kind

435
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: of leading us around, showing us how to do things.

436
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: And you said it today. You were like you were

437
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 1: twenty one. I was only twenty four, and my brain

438
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: kind of broke because you really did. Like I know,

439
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: we were all friends, We've always felt like the same age,

440
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: but you had this very stoic sort of coolness to

441
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: you that we all were like, Brian knows what he's

442
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: doing like, if we don't know what to do about something,

443
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: we should probably ask Brian, like he'll have the answer.

444
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: And it's so cozy that you didn't feel that way.

445
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: I didn't feel that way because I only I had

446
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: some experience, like we just went over, like I had

447
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: a couple of things on my belt. But I was

448
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: never a series regular like you were. And I mean

449
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: I did like one big movie and like it wasn't

450
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: even that big, it didn't do that well. So it's

451
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: just like, it's just funny that you thought of me

452
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: as that way, and I just I felt like just

453
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: a kid. But when you're twenty four, there's a big

454
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: in twenty one, there's a big that feels like a

455
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: big age difference at that time. Now, but at that time, yeah,

456
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: I could see how I look up somebody's twenty four.

457
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well now we just all feel like the same age.

458
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: But it is you sort of go like, oh, you've

459
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: really been doing this for a while, and you know,

460
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: you were coming off that movie. And for me, I think,

461
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'd done projects and some indie movies and

462
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: some TV stuff. I think the longest arc I'd had

463
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: on a show was on Niptock but this was my yeah,

464
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: like this was my first series regular job, and so

465
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I was just looking around being like, okay, just do

466
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: what everybody else does, pretend you know stuff. And I

467
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: think I got a little bit of a pass being

468
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: from LA. People assumed I knew things, And meanwhile I

469
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: was sitting there like guys three years ago, like I

470
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: was in all girls school wearing a uniform. I don't

471
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: know anything about anything.

472
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: I do remember like it happening very fast, like the

473
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: success of the show. I remember like, yeah, it was

474
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: only a few months, like we started shooting and then

475
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: we aired and then all of a sudden, like we're

476
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: doing TRL and I was like, oh, this is this

477
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: is happening, Like this is a phenomenon. It's like actually

478
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: connecting with an audience. And it happened quick.

479
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened really really fast, especially because our show,

480
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: So we started filming in July for our friends listening

481
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: at home. Our show was supposed to be a mid

482
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: season premiere that January, and one of their shows wasn't

483
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: working and they canned it and they put us on

484
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 1: in September.

485
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: Oh, so we only had like an episode or two in.

486
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: The Yeah, so we got thrown on the air really fast,

487
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: and then the show took off and by the time

488
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: we went to TRL, like, the folks at MTV were like,

489
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: we had to hire extra security. We haven't had a

490
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: crowd this big since eminem came, and we were all

491
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: like what eminem us, Like, we had no idea what

492
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: was happening because we were all just you know, in Wilmington,

493
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: like getting peel and eat shrimp after work. We had

494
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: no clue what was happening out in the larger.

495
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: For my point of view, like I wasn't a series regular.

496
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: I was a star so weird. So like I was like,

497
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: I'm going to tr L like I'm not even like

498
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: you guys were the I wasn't. I was getting paid nothing,

499
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: like I was just like.

500
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: Bro, we were all getting fait nothing. It's okay, yea

501
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: more than me.

502
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: And I didn't even know how to do the next episode.

503
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: I was dying to be a regular. I remember, I

504
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, maybe they'll make me a regular,

505
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: and they're like the writers, so they gotta have to wait.

506
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's looking good, but we don't know,

507
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: we don't know, And I was like I was still

508
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: auditioning for other things and meaningful the things. Remember I

509
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: got that other job Unscripted.

510
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you mean that George Clooney show Casual Gay.

511
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: Well you can't even find that show now, which is weird.

512
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: It's like evaporated to the ether. But it was one

513
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: of the coolest things I've ever worked on, for sure.

514
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: It was the HBO show called Unscripted that George Clooney

515
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: and Steven Soderberg and Grant has Left created and it

516
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: was about actors making it in Hollywood. It was like

517
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: a faux reality show where like I was pretending I

518
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: was playing myself, but it was like a version of myself,

519
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, the whole thing. But I remember like HBO

520
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: was like, we want to make you a regular. We

521
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: want to we want to do in this series, and

522
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna make you regular. And then as soon as

523
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: like the WB at the time heard that, They're like, oh,

524
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: we want to make Brian a regular, I was like,

525
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: too late. I'll I mean came back and we you

526
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: know a p year.

527
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, well, you that was one of the things

528
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: that was so much fun is every time you had

529
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: some time in between gigs or things, you would come

530
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: back and you know, I remember when you went and

531
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: did Prime and if you haven't seen Prime, like rom

532
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: com fans, what are you doing? It's such a good movie.

533
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: It's Brian and Uma Thurman and Meryl Streep like hell

534
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: that way, hello, what an insane thing. And we were

535
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: just like our friend is a movie star. And then

536
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: you would still come back and hang and it was

537
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: really special. I think to all of us that you know,

538
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: you always made time where you could for the show,

539
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: and I know that it really did create such a

540
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: really special, like lasting effect for all the fans too.

541
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: Well. I loved you guys, I love the character, and

542
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: I just loved working on it was you know, I

543
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: wanted to do it until I actually couldn't you know

544
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: what I mean. It was like I felt like, you know,

545
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: I was on Montreal for three seasons, and I felt like, yeah,

546
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: maybe Jake could have gone on and done more. But

547
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: I felt like it was a really good arc. I

548
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: feel like I did, uh, you know. I felt like

549
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: history was told and it was it was good. I

550
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: mean that show has like so many different iterations, like

551
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: so many different cast members coming in and out. But yeah,

552
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. And then I, you know, I went

553
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: off to do other things, but I was I tried

554
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: to make time and come back when I could. That

555
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: was just a crazy time in my life, like there's

556
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: so much coming at me, and it just came to

557
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: a point where like it wasn't feasible anymore. And I

558
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: also felt like the story was told like that.

559
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that when you really feel like something

560
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: has has come to the end of its track. Yeah,

561
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: it's nice to go out on a high note. And

562
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure your knees thanked you that you didn't have

563
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: to play basketball for eighteen hours a day in converse anymore.

564
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they put me in converse as my feet.

565
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I remember you like we would have days in the

566
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: gym where by the end of it you were just hobbling,

567
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, we are too young for you

568
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: to be in this much pain. Somebody get this man

569
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: some insoles.

570
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: Good memory. Yeah, that was Uh, that was brutal being

571
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: in a real sport.

572
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was fun though, because you're a good

573
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: basketball player. James was such a good basketball player. Obviously,

574
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: so many of the guys who came in, like Naian

575
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: and all the boys were really good, Like they really

576
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: did play. And there were days I remember in the gym,

577
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: like watching you all from the sidelines, being like, God,

578
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: they really are having fun. And it was sweet to

579
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: watch because I think that energy was palpable on screen.

580
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: We love those days because we would just get to

581
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: play ball and then we played ball all the time

582
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: outside shooting too. Yeah, it was great. I have a

583
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: lot of fond memories of that shows. Like I said,

584
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: I've been all in the world. I've done a lot

585
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: of different things, but that's the one job that, like,

586
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, I think people know me for and I'm

587
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: really grateful for it. And I'm just it's so hard

588
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: in this this career to like do anything that connects

589
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: with an audience and that continues to connect with generations

590
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: of audiences. So I'm just really grateful the attorney to

591
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: play that character. I love it and subjumption.

592
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, how how do we tell

593
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: folks what the fast forward looks like? Because for the.

594
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: Frames, Oh you became a big TV star, you're very

595
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: sweet and a movie star.

596
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: Well, we're all just out here trying to do things

597
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: we love.

598
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very successful. Didn't return my calls for years,

599
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: Oh you wish?

600
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this

601
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: show possible. It is actually really interesting, isn't it like

602
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: that we we all went off and did so much work,

603
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: but we always stayed connected. And do you think that

604
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: being on sets like you were so young, like going

605
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: and working with producers of the Soderberg level, like watching

606
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Merrill on set? Were you do you really feel like

607
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you were kind of preparing yourself to write and direct,

608
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: maybe even subconsciously, or was it like something do you

609
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: remember when consciously you decided that that was something you

610
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: wanted to pursue.

611
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. I don't remember consciously, but I

612
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: remember consciously like being a sponge at, you know, whenever,

613
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: whenever I'm on a set, I'm always like, every day

614
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: I have two goals like what can I learn? And

615
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: how can I be surprised? And how can I surprise myself?

616
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: You know, And that goes every day on a set.

617
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: You know. I'm always looking to learn, I'm always looking

618
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: to surprise myself. And I think that that what keeps

619
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: me in the quest of being curious and listening and

620
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: and so I didn't know that I wanted to write,

621
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, when I went to n

622
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: y U They didn't teach us to write our own stuff.

623
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: We were just training to be actors and interpret the

624
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: writer's material and be vessels for the script and that's

625
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: it and just you know, do that. And I think

626
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: it's like five years younger than me, like the Donald Glover's,

627
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: the Mindy Kalings, you know. Uh is like all these

628
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: people like these I'm sorry, they all like started making

629
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: their own stuff. And I'm like, wow, that never occurred

630
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: to me. You know, that wasn't thought like I thought.

631
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: I was just in this lane, you know, and had

632
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: hyper focus on being an actor. So you know, the

633
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: truth is there's a lot of ups and downs in

634
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: a career and I was at a downpoint and I

635
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: wasn't getting the roles that I wanted and I was

636
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: working but not being challenged, I would say, and I

637
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: dig deeper and and I was I don't know this.

638
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: This idea came to me for junction because you know,

639
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: I went in for a routine surgery a few years

640
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: ago and I was prescribed oxy cotton and I became

641
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: somewhat hooked. I want to make it very clear that

642
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm not an addict and I'm an ally but I

643
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: just but I. I did have like a little scary

644
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: time there, you know that I was like, oh, this

645
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: could go either way, you know, And there's a couple

646
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: of months I just don't remember, and and uh and

647
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: so I was was I wanted to I wanted to

648
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: kind of understand the crisis, the opioid crisis, and and

649
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: talk about that in a film. How do I do that?

650
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I just that's what started inspiring

651
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: me to write. I think it was during during COVID

652
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I and uh yeah, I just was like, really had

653
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: time and I just want to put all my energy

654
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: into it. And I enjoyed it. And then it's funny, Mom,

655
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: you know that I'm writing. She's like, you know you

656
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: started as a writer. It's like what She's like, Well,

657
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: you know when you're a kid, you used to write

658
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: all those short stories. And I was like, oh, yeah,

659
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: I guess I did when I was a kid, and

660
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, I wrote music and I was always writing.

661
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: You know, I just didn't really think of myself as

662
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: a writer. But yeah, I forget the question.

663
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: No, I The question was just how how did you

664
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: decide to do this and you know, with this project

665
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: and to become a writer and a director. And I

666
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting because it kind of goes back

667
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: to my first question, right, like who were you when

668
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: you were little? You do, in hindsight see that parts

669
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: of yourself have always been there, that you've always been

670
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: expressing this part of your creativity, and you know now

671
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: you've got a movie that you wrote, directed and started

672
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: coming out Hello.

673
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: Love It's crazy. I mean, you just I guess being

674
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: an actor for so long, I love it, and I

675
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: continue to love it. I'm on a show right now

676
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: just as an actor, and I'm very grateful and I

677
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: still truly love the craft of acting and I'm very

678
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: dedicated to it. But it is limiting in the sense

679
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: of storytelling, like you can only do use your body

680
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: and voice and interpret these lines. And I just felt

681
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: like I had had other skills to tell a story,

682
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: and I wanted to put them to the test, and

683
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: and I thought that this is the story I want

684
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: to tell. And there's just so many tools, like working

685
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: with actors, working with an editor, working with the DP.

686
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: It's like, it's so fun. And I wanted to do

687
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: set out to direct to see if I really could

688
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: do it, because I was like, maybe I could do

689
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: this maybe I don't know. There is only one way

690
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: to know. You just got baptism through fire and just

691
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: throw stuff into it. And I just wouldn't take no

692
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: for an answer, Like I just kept people trying to get

693
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: me off the project or the producers I brought it to,

694
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: like maybe if you're not directing it, we can get

695
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: a may because you're first time er, nobody cares, don't know,

696
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, you know that kind of thing. I'm like, no,

697
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: I think I can do this. I think I I

698
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: think I want to I do want to do this,

699
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: I want to do this. I'm going to do this.

700
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: And I just like kept that focus and you know,

701
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: eventually found the money and you know, which was huge,

702
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: and that that that validated the project. And then you

703
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: know came on board and you know, so many great

704
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: actors came on board and here we go.

705
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's so exciting and you put you

706
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: put such a beautiful cast together. You wrote a really

707
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: beautiful script. You know, when you first called me and said, hey,

708
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: I would love it if you'd come and work on

709
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: this and you know, play my character's ex wife and

710
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: this is what it's about. I was like, yes, and

711
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: you were like, well, read it, and I was like, well,

712
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it obviously, but like the answer

713
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: is yes, let's go do this movie. And it's just true. Man.

714
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: I think, I think the people who know you and

715
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: love you not only you know, do we love who

716
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you are as a person, but like we know your

717
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: taste level, and you are a really insightful, really talented human.

718
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: And I knew that this was going to be really special.

719
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: And one of the things I really appreciated about it

720
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: when I sat down to read the script for the

721
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: first time was the way that you humanized addiction through

722
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: your character. You know this, as you said, you experienced

723
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: this guy had a routine shoulder surgery, and you know,

724
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: when you're getting your arm opened up or your back

725
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: opened up, these medications can really make the difference for

726
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: people being able to recover and still be in their lives,

727
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: to not be so immobilized by pain. And yet there's

728
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: like that razor's edge of this medication can help save

729
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: your life after something potentially catastrophic happens, and it can

730
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: also take your life. And I'm really curious. You know,

731
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: you talk about how you didn't wind up in full addiction,

732
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: but you wound up realizing that this medication was in

733
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: you in a way, it was making it was making

734
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: you sick. How do you think you identified the difference?

735
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: How do you think you knew to make a change

736
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: before it had gone too far? Because I asked the

737
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: question really, because this is a crisis, This is an

738
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: epidemic around the country, and I would imagine there's people

739
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: listening today who have either been through this or have

740
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: family going through this and are probably going but yeah,

741
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: how do I know when to say something? Or how

742
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: do I know when to ask for help? So, being

743
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: as in tune with your body and your mind as

744
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: you have to be to be a performer, how did

745
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: you know when you were on the kind of dangerous

746
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: side of that edge?

747
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: Well, my pill intake would just keep going up, becaues

748
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: it would work, you know, like it started one, three, five, ten.

749
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like you keep popping sip a

750
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: couple of beers. Help that help that kicks in, you know,

751
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: like and then you just then all of a sudden,

752
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: it's like four or five months ago by and you're like,

753
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: where am I, What's going on? What's happening?

754
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: And they just keep prescribing them to you until they

755
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't ah, and and you're I basically was cut off.

756
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: And I you know, it's not that hard to go

757
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: and find the pills. But you know, I don't want

758
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: to say that, like I'm stronger than you know people

759
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: who are addicted, because I'm not because I was addicted,

760
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: but I just didn't And it does. The thing that

761
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: people don't understand is that, like when you're on taking

762
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: those those many opioids, it really does complicate and compromise

763
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: your your frontal cortex, so your decision That's why I like,

764
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: why would you ever do something like that? It's because

765
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: they're not thinking, well.

766
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, it's not me who did it. It

767
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: was a diminished me. It's a diminished person from the

768
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: side effects.

769
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: Your decision making processes compromised. So I could have gone

770
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: to the streets found it. But I am a very

771
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I'm lucky that I'm a

772
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: very headstrong person. And I mean the same thing, I

773
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: used to smoke cigarettes and and I just didn't like

774
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: having that. I needed it for when I was happy,

775
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: when needed it when I'm sad, And it was the

776
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: same thing, like I just I don't like having something

777
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: over me, you know that really it kind of I'm

778
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: not good with authority. I don't like people telling me

779
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: what to do. I don't like it, you know what

780
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: I mean. So I don't I don't know. I just

781
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: I think there's something like there's a little bit of

782
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: a fighter in me that wanted to just like fight that.

783
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: And it was hard getting off those bills. I was sick,

784
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: very sick for a few days. And that's not a

785
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: good feeling. And I understand why people don't want to

786
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: feel that way. And it's you're just physically, you know,

787
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: you're sweating your feverish 're like it's like it's like

788
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: the worst flu, and it's you're not just grown up.

789
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: It's like it's not a good feeling, and you'll do

790
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: anything to not feel that way. And that's why people

791
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: go to the streets and you know, final alternatives. But

792
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I'm just I'm lucky. I

793
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: didn't get too far in too deep. I got I

794
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: had a brush with it, you know, yeah, not to

795
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: scare me, but not enough for a full blown addiction. Gratefully,

796
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: because I've lost friends and I know people that have

797
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 2: passed and it's a really scary thing. So so, yeah,

798
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: that's that was my personal experience with it. But I'm

799
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: very I'm one of the fortunate ones.

800
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, did did that sort of full picture experience, knowing

801
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: that perhaps it had gone another month, you would have

802
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: been so sick that you might not have been able

803
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: to stop, knowing that there's folks who you've known and

804
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: loved who aren't around anymore because of this. You know,

805
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: the I would imagine the influx of the news where

806
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: every day there's more stories, and every day there's more

807
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: horrible things happening, and you know, we're watching the pharmaceutical

808
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: lawsuits and we're hearing about the death rates around the country.

809
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: How did all of that make you decide, Okay, I'm

810
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: going to write about this. Not just I've been through this.

811
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: I could advocate for a charity, I could go and

812
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: speak to students, but like, I want to make something

813
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: about this. I want to get this story out of me.

814
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: What was that?

815
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at the time, you know, it takes

816
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: a long time for these films, to independent films to

817
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: get made. Even though I wrote this four years ago,

818
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, it took it took a long time to

819
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: get it made and get the funny and get to

820
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: get it out there. But you know, at the time,

821
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: there were no stories being told about it, and I

822
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: think that's kind of what another thing that was pissing

823
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: me off. And you know, since then, we've been very fortunate.

824
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: I am I'm I'm so happy that other stories are

825
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: being told about this, like Dope Sick. I think it's

826
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Danny Strong did an amazing job on that who uh

827
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: Me series. But I just wanted to encapsulate it was

828
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: it was one personally. It was a way for me

829
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: to get my head around this sort of overwhelming crisis

830
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: and and try to understand it and and and so

831
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: I would cold call journalists who were understood understood what

832
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: was going on with like the Sacklerts and and Prdue Pharma.

833
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: And you know, I was writing this while the story

834
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: was changing. You know, before they they were uh found

835
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: guilty but and they're still trying to fight it through

836
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: bankruptcy courts. But uh but it was an evolving story

837
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: and I'm not an expert, so I sought out the

838
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: experts to to to help me understand it. And I

839
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: don't know, I just wanted to paint. I didn't want

840
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: to just do attic porn and just show like one

841
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: because we've seen those movies. But you can't tell the

842
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: story without telling that part of it. But I also

843
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: wanted to show, like all the cogs in the wheel,

844
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: in the net, in the big in the in the ship,

845
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: in this ship that is sinking. I just thought you

846
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: had to tell three different points of view to kind

847
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: of encapsulate all of that. And it was my way

848
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: to bring awareness to the to the crisis that at

849
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: the time people were speaking about, to bring humanity to it.

850
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to do like like I mentioned,

851
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: Dope Sick, because I think it's great, but we didn't

852
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: have the luxury of, you know, seven eight hours to

853
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: tell the story. We had ninety minutes, So I didn't

854
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: do the exposition of this is not the opioid crisis.

855
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: If you want to know how the opioid crisis started,

856
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: don't watch this movie. This is not like an educational film, right.

857
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: I try to make a character film about seemingly good

858
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: people who get caught up in this this evil.

859
00:44:52,840 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: Machine and now a word from our sponsors. And that's

860
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about the movie. You know,

861
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: you structure this all in one day, and we see

862
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: these three storylines, you know, these three verticals, if you will,

863
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: and each lead of their own storyline. You know Ashley's character,

864
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: doctor Davis, this doctor who runs a pain clinic, which

865
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: is is it a pill mill? Is it not? Who

866
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: is she? Why is she so motivated? What's going on

867
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: with her kids? What's happening with her finances? We see,

868
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, the patriarch of a big pharmaceutical family whose

869
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: company is being sued over their distribution of opioids. And

870
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: we see your character, Michael, this character, yeah, you know this,

871
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: this man who runs a restaurant and has a beautiful life,

872
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: but everything sideways. The restaurant is risk and his wife

873
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: is now his ex wife. That's me for our friends

874
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: at home. You know, the relationship he has with his

875
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: child is strained. And what I love so much about

876
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: what you put into our storyline is that there's obvious

877
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: pain there. Obviously this couple has been affected by this

878
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: addiction and who knows whatever else, But we vacillate between

879
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: fighting and laughing. You see love between these people. You

880
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: see across all these three storylines. You see who these

881
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: people are. You see who loves them each. You see

882
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: who they go home to. You see that anybody who

883
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: we've made into a statistic or a villain or a

884
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: victim is a whole person.

885
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's what I learned.

886
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: I just think it was a really really meaningful way

887
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: to show people how this happens and who it affects,

888
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: and what the ripple effects of this crisis are. And

889
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: even though it's a movie about a heavy subject, there

890
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: is love and there is joy, and there are these

891
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: things that you wouldn't necessarily respect.

892
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, I was I didn't want

893
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: this to be a tough watch all the way through.

894
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: Like we know it's it's it's we know what we're

895
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: getting into with what the subject matter is, and it's inevitable,

896
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: like this is not going to be a comedy. But

897
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, so I think to be true to the

898
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: subject matter, you have to be you know, it had

899
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: it had to be dramatic. But you know, in saying that,

900
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: I didn't want to make it hard on the audience,

901
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: you know, like I wanted to like you'd fall in

902
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: love with these people and enjoy being in a room

903
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: with them and knowing them, and yeah, like you said

904
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: it beautifully like our relationship between Michael and Allison. What

905
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: I love about it is like they are divorced, but

906
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: they love each other. They love each other so much.

907
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I haven't seen that that. I mean,

908
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure that exists, but I haven't seen a lot

909
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: of that maybe. And I thought that was a really

910
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 2: fun to play with. And there was room for comedy.

911
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: And we're joking around. Even in the lowest of the lows.

912
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: There's still jokes being cracked and that's real, that's you know,

913
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: And I didn't. I just think if you want to

914
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: be real and you want to portray an accurate, uh

915
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: you know, characterization of these of these people, like you

916
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: can't paint them as black or white. It's gray. And

917
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: sometimes they do bad things, but they mean well and

918
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: sometimes they you know, it's just complicated. They all have

919
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: their different reasons, even even Lawrence, who's that so the

920
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: quote unquote you know, uh, evil patriarch. You know, he's

921
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: trying to protect his family. He's trying to protect his

922
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: family's legacy. He wants you know, he's got his own

923
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: reasons for doing this. He's got his own ambitions and

924
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: dreams too, and those are human beings and we're all

925
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: complicated and up and and and it's not black and white,

926
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: and I just I'm more drawn to that. That's what

927
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm that's ultimately and I was most interested in writing back. Yes,

928
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: it takes place within the opium, in the world of

929
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: the okioid crisis, but really it's like these characters, these

930
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: nuances that I was I was fascinated by and then

931
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: I wanted an export.

932
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I love it and it really it

933
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: was so special to finally get to see the movie

934
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: because you know, did.

935
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 2: You watch it last night? Did you get chanted?

936
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

937
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: Well, I know I watched it. I watched it at

938
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: home on Saturday. I was like, I don't want to

939
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: see it with an audience for the first time. But

940
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: it's just it's really beautiful and it was really interesting too,

941
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, because for me being in it. I love

942
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: when I'm in something and I get swept up in

943
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: it and forget that I'm in it. Yeah, that's always

944
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: really special. And then I get to have this dual

945
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: experience where I get to watch it technically and see

946
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: what takes and what shots round up in it, and

947
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: I just get to be an audience member, and I

948
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: had both of those things, and it flashed me back back,

949
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: you know when we first come on screen together, where

950
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I forgot how fast

951
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: we shot this movie.

952
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, seventeen days.

953
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: Seventeen days, a whole movie in seventeen days. So for

954
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: our friends at home, you know, Brian's talking about the

955
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: fact that it took four years to get this movie

956
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: made from top to bottom, and yet we had to

957
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: shoot it in seventeen days. How did you get your

958
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: head around starring in a movie having written it and

959
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: directing for the first time because you didn't have the

960
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: luxury of a three month shoot to do two scenes

961
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: a day. We were jamming through stuff. How did you

962
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: feel prepared for that? How did you keep your head

963
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: screwed on well?

964
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: Hiring actors like yourself who you didn't have to worry about,

965
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: Like I don't like if I didn't give you one note,

966
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: I still know you would have been great, you know

967
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like just knowing you could bring it

968
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: and I did. It's just took such a relief. I mean,

969
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: of course I tried to, you know, in preparation, we

970
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the characters, and and you know,

971
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: you just in prep, you trust with your crew and

972
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: and and your producers and your actors, and then with

973
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 2: the scenes that I'm in with you, like I wasn't

974
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: directing those scenes. I was just in those scenes as

975
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: an actor with you, you know. And I don't remember

976
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: if I gave you a lot of direction on the

977
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: days when we were working together, because I feel like

978
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: I was just kind of in the moment with you,

979
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: you know. I mean maybe we tried different things, but

980
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if you might remember more because everything

981
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: was such a blur, But I feel like I just

982
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: kind of like let it go and just was an

983
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: actor because I didn't want to be judging you while

984
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: doing the scene with you. Yeah, it hard for you

985
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: as an actress different. I don't know if you've worked

986
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: with actors who have been directors before. I've never done that.

987
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess with Minnie Kaaling, she was like

988
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: the writer and I would work with her that was there.

989
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: She wasn't directing, though, But yeah, so I wonder how

990
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: that was for you as an actor.

991
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I will say, I think especially when you're kind of

992
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: gorilla shooting like we were, where everything's just so fast.

993
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: It was really nice that we have such a history

994
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: and a familiarity and a shorthand together, because it's much

995
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: easier for me to sort of take the normal pressures

996
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: of the first day on set and throw those away

997
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: with a trusted friend, Like when you have twenty years

998
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: of fill in the blank chemistry, intimacy knowledge, you know,

999
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 1: language inside jokes with people, it changes your comfort level.

1000
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of cool. I think that

1001
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: we were just like, we have no time, We've done

1002
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: the thing, we've done the calls in the zooms, we've

1003
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: got pages of notes in our scripts, and let's just

1004
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: do this. And you know, when I think about our

1005
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: last day of shooting, when we finished in the gym

1006
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: and the kids had to be wrapped because they have

1007
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: their schedules, and then we and did our whole you know,

1008
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: gallery shoot in the back room, and then it was like,

1009
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: we got two hours, what can we shoot? Let's just

1010
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: let's just improv a scene. Let's go, And it was

1011
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: so great.

1012
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we just like you were so great, and

1013
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: I was like, we have you, We've got a two hours.

1014
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: What can we do, Like, let's just let's use you

1015
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: like in that that's in the movie. There's nothing that

1016
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: we shot. There's not a scene that we that was

1017
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: scrapped in this movie. I didn't have a second to

1018
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: do overtime, you know, like it was so tight like

1019
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: some of these shots, and they had one take to

1020
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: do it. You know, it with a really tight, tight shoot.

1021
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: It's a miracle that it came together it did. But yeah,

1022
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just like having actors like

1023
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: yourself who were just so good and I remember you

1024
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: came up with And also like I really tried to

1025
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: not have an ego, because how could I have an

1026
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: ego as a first time director, Like that's ridiculous. I've

1027
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: never done this before. I was confident in the telling

1028
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: the story, but I wasn't confident overly confident and pretending

1029
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: to know things I didn't know. And my philosophy was

1030
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: best idea wins. And I remember you had a line

1031
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: pitch that is in the movie that you came up

1032
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: with that I think, and I just thought it was

1033
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: like a throwback to a line that I said. I

1034
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: don't want to spoil it, but it's just like it's

1035
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: in the movie and it's a really great moment, and

1036
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, that's all you, you know, And I mean,

1037
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: I guess I'm credit myself for like letting it happen,

1038
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: but like that's all you, you know, I mean, you brought.

1039
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: It, but well, thank you. That's the thing, though, it's

1040
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: when you collaborate well with people and to your point,

1041
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: when everybody shows up and checks their ego and it's

1042
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: just ready to go, Like it's so refreshing. That's why

1043
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: you can, if you have an extra hour on a day,

1044
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: say hey, let's throw three people in a car and

1045
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: go make it up as we go along. Yeah, you know,

1046
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: That's what I think I love about independent films the

1047
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: most is that, like nobody's showing up on an independent

1048
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: movie to pay the mortgage. We're showing up because we

1049
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: believe in the project. Yeah, and it does give you

1050
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: It's like Gooney's energy, where you're like we're going on

1051
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: an adventure and whatever happens, we're in it together and

1052
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: it's really special.

1053
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Everybody has to be on that because like and the

1054
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: crew included like want the roll up our sleeves. It

1055
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: just like this is gonna be tough and no one's

1056
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: getting rich and just every we get on the same

1057
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: page of like wanting to tell the story. And how

1058
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: fun is this? How fun is this that we get

1059
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: the main movies and it's hard to get everybody on

1060
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: that page when it's like you're doing long days and

1061
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, like no one's getting paid, but

1062
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: you know it, I don't know. I love making independent films.

1063
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: I love it because I've been on like huge budget

1064
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: movies and I just feel like nothing gets done. And

1065
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: you're making a movie by like committee as opposed to

1066
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: like independent films, where it's like a person's vision and

1067
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: you just get in line with that and and like

1068
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: you don't have the luxury of time to screw it up.

1069
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: You just have to keep shoot. There's an energy to

1070
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: it that keeps your toes and it's exciting, and I

1071
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: feel like that translates on camera and through you know.

1072
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, I love it. Yeah, that's truly my

1073
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: heart lives.

1074
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: I love that so much. How was it for you?

1075
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, not only were you juggling all of the

1076
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: biggest plates on set, but you were also making an

1077
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: entire movie in seventeen days with two babies at home

1078
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: and Jamie, you know, for our friends at home, Jamie Chung,

1079
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: Brian's dreamboat of a wife, Like you know, again, we

1080
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: talk about all of this a lot on the other podcast,

1081
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: but when we watch the show and we all gush

1082
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: about you, and then we're like, can you believe we,

1083
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: like we're so obsessed with Jamie, Like maybe we even

1084
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: love her more than we love him. Who could ever

1085
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: love anyone more than Brian? Like Hillary and I just

1086
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: giggle because you know, we're obsessed with you, guys, And

1087
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: it was such a cool thing as your friend to

1088
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: like every once in a while, I had to sort

1089
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: of zoom out and go like, look at what he's doing,

1090
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Look at what she's doing. Look at this character she's playing.

1091
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: It's so smart and thoughtful and different than something I've

1092
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: seen her do before. And like hold on, they have

1093
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: two twin babies that they also are dealing with right now,

1094
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: Like how did you do it? How did she do it?

1095
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: How did you do it? As a couple?

1096
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: Did do it a lot this? I gotta just take

1097
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: a moment to thank my wife, Jamie Chung, Like this

1098
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: movie doesn't get made without her. Tell you how passionate

1099
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't telling this story and how hard it was

1100
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: to make this movie, and I got my chance to

1101
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: do it. The kids were six months old, twins. Yeah,

1102
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: and that's a tough ash. And this shot in Rhode

1103
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: Island and we lived in Los Angeles at the time,

1104
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: and she let me go off and chase my dreams

1105
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: and held it down and our family helped helped her out.

1106
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: And not only did she held it down with the kids,

1107
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: which at a really hard age, she came to Rhode

1108
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: Island and knocked it out the park in her role.

1109
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, I'm just I'm eternally grateful

1110
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: to her for letting me do this movie. I mean,

1111
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: she really did allow me to do this movie. She

1112
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: said no, it's too hard, and I get it, but

1113
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: she didn't. She supported me, and it's amazing.

1114
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that you use that word allowed, because

1115
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. You don't mean it like

1116
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: in the parental sense of like you're allowed to do this.

1117
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: You mean like she made the allowances, she made the

1118
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: space for you to take space for yourself to go

1119
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: and achieve something, and that you know. I mean, we've

1120
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: talked to you other through a lot of relationship drama

1121
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: in twenty years, and like one of the things that

1122
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: makes me the happiest as your friend is to see

1123
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: this really symbiotic relationship you too have cultivated in your

1124
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: marriage where you really can like flow and tip the

1125
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: scales to be this total package as a team. And

1126
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: to do that, To to do that in the first year,

1127
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: where you've gone from a team of two to a

1128
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: team of four, is like an exponentially more impressive feat.

1129
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: And you managed to do this really impressive thing while

1130
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: also both giving incredible performances in this movie. It's like

1131
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: layers on layers of impressive love.

1132
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: But that's the other That's what it goes back to, Like,

1133
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: I you know, you cat. I cast Jane because I

1134
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: know she could kill it, you know what I mean,

1135
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't just because she's my wife. It's because

1136
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: she's an amazing actress and she's my wife. But it's

1137
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: like she's an amazing actress and that's a really horrid

1138
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: role to come in there and be that endearing in

1139
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 2: that you know, heartbreaking of a character and just doing

1140
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: in a scene or two. It's like it's that easy

1141
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 2: work for an actor to pull that off. And she did.

1142
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: And I knew she. I knew she had it in

1143
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: her on the depth in her But yeah, I mean

1144
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: it's uh, it's amazing. It's just truly grateful and not

1145
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: just Jamie, but like everybody who came to play it,

1146
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: Kaandla Conlin, Ryan Eggles incredible and this is so good,

1147
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: oh so good, Griffin Dunn, Josh Peck, I mean, uh k,

1148
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: Thomas Hill, Harper Dashed my hug. I mean, everybody is

1149
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: so good in this. It's like I can't believe I

1150
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: got you all in the movie, right, because it's I've

1151
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: worked with first time directors. It's a risk. I don't

1152
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: usually do it anymore, to be honest, because I'm like, eh,

1153
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't have it in me, you know. So I've

1154
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: had some good experiences, I've had some bad experiences, but

1155
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: it's usually a turnoff if I hear first time director.

1156
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: And so for you wants to come on board and

1157
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: just have the trust and faith in me to tell

1158
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: the story, It's like I'm eternally grateful. So I owe

1159
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: you one oh man always.

1160
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors, how is it now?

1161
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: You know we fast forward, I mean almost two years

1162
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: from when we shot the movie. Yeah, how does this

1163
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: feel to be on the precipice of it coming out?

1164
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: And what is it like to now have toddlers? And

1165
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: like does it feel crazy like no time has passed?

1166
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: But so much time has passed?

1167
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I know. It's like I've been very busy

1168
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: since the kids have been born. I mean, Jamie has

1169
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: been very awesome. I'm in Chicago right now shooting a

1170
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: series not with my family, and again she's holding it down,

1171
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: and so I am just like we have waves, like

1172
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: like I've had ways where I've had to sit down

1173
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: for a few years. You know. Right now I'm standing up,

1174
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: you know, and then I'll have to sit down and

1175
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: she'll stand up. And it's just I think that's the

1176
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: beauty of being married to an actor. And she's also

1177
01:01:54,200 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 2: not one of the crazy ones. Oh, we we're all crazy.

1178
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: But uh but you know, I feel like she's pretty

1179
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: grounded for for for being an actress and like, I

1180
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: don't know, I think she just knows this is my

1181
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: time to do this and and so she's been very

1182
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 2: helpful and and supportive. But yeah, it's it's been crazy

1183
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: watching The Journey of Junction. I just keep pinching myself

1184
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: because it's been it's been no the whole way, Like no,

1185
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: no one's gonna make a movie about to hope yours.

1186
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: No, No one's gonna make your first time director. No, you're

1187
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: acting in it too. No, you know you know it's

1188
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, no no. And then all of

1189
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like we start winning festivals. You're like, whoa, Oh,

1190
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't crazy. You know this is awesome.

1191
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: You're not crazy.

1192
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: You can see what I was seeing. Like it's not

1193
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: not about the awards or any of the acoletes and stuff.

1194
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: It's more just like validation have like, oh, yeah, this

1195
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: story did need to be told, and and you know,

1196
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: I feel like it's connecting with an audience and and

1197
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: it's so exciting, Like the press we're getting is amazing,

1198
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: and I can't wait for the premiere on Wednesday, and

1199
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: you're going to be doing the Today Show and it's

1200
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: like all this fun stuff. It's just like this is

1201
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: the fun part, you know, this is where you get

1202
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: to enjoy the ride and celebrate the hard work that

1203
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 2: we all put into it. So I'm really pinching myself.

1204
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm saving the moment because I know after this, it's

1205
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: like I don't have another movie lined up to direct,

1206
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't you know what I mean, I don't

1207
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: know what. I might be super depressed a like in

1208
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: a week, but right now I'm like on cloud nine.

1209
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I love that. And you know

1210
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: what feels cool too, is you're going to get this

1211
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: moment like you're on the ride and it's all celebration

1212
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: from here and then you know, you get a beat

1213
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: with your family, you get a beat with your babies.

1214
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: And it's so cool as your friend to watch you

1215
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: in this phase because you're being celebrated in your career

1216
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: in the way that you deserve to be. And it's

1217
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: been so fun to watch you be a dad because

1218
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a dad for such a long time.

1219
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: Is it like everything you thought it would be and

1220
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: all the things you didn't know it would be.

1221
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: You know what, It's given me a purpose like that.

1222
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: I was always I felt like I was waiting to

1223
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: be a father for a long time. You know, I

1224
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: played Jake j Goils, played a lot of dad. I

1225
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: think I had dad vibes, you know, early on, but

1226
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: I you know, it took me a long time to

1227
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: become a father. And it's so weird. I feel like,

1228
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: in a weird cosmic way, like I've just kind of

1229
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: cracked the code and like I feel super grounded. I

1230
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: feel like I have an extreme purpose in my life.

1231
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: I love my boys so much. I'll do anything for them,

1232
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: and it's I do it, and I do it. It's

1233
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: like it's completely about them now, as much as I

1234
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: have all the stuff going on, but it's like my

1235
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: focus is you know, as actors, it's all about you.

1236
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: Can I get your coffee And it's so nice to

1237
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: like live for something else, for something more. Like I

1238
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: was bored. I was how many concerts could I go to?

1239
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: How many you know, vacations can I go on? And

1240
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 2: you know, I was just getting a little I've I

1241
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: felt like selfish. I was like living my life only

1242
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: for me, and now I get to go Like I

1243
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: hate Disneyland, but I went to Disneyland and it was

1244
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: great to watch it through their eyes. You know, I

1245
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: get to see the whole world through their eyes and

1246
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: then light up when they play with the train set

1247
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: and it's just like, I don't know, I feel like

1248
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: I've been enlightened, I guess as a way to put it.

1249
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: And I feel like the person I always wanted to be.

1250
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: I feel like instead of like trying to be that person.

1251
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I am that person. I don't know

1252
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. And like you, I feel like

1253
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: a confidence that's like a in an emotional depth that

1254
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: I can really lock into now that I was always

1255
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: hoping for now I have as an artist. It's I

1256
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: do feel different. I do feel like I'm a different person.

1257
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah.

1258
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: Maybe in a way, you're actually just more yourself, like

1259
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: you've grown into the fullness of yourself.

1260
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm still growing, yeah, but yeah, yeah, that's another way

1261
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: I put it. Yeah, I do feel like I've grown

1262
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: into the flunced with Yeah, I love it. I don't know.

1263
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot, you know, I mean, having at

1264
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: this age and working and doing it's just it's a

1265
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: lot of hats and but I'm not bored. Yeah, not bored.

1266
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it all. Right. Well, we're

1267
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: in this phase obviously where you know, you said it,

1268
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: you're kind of floating, like we're at this end stage

1269
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: where it's all celebration for this project that's been making

1270
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: and right, well that yeah, but they're really great so far.

1271
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: You know, when you're at this point where your boys

1272
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: are just getting big enough that they can play with

1273
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: each other and you're in this groove. But what whether

1274
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: it's looking back at this last year or perhaps looking

1275
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: forward into what's coming in the spring, Like, what do

1276
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: you think right now in your life feels like your

1277
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: work in progress.

1278
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I like how you brought it, you.

1279
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: Know, all the way around to the title that last question.

1280
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: I love the title of that work in progress. It's

1281
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: great because I do I don't feel like you ever

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01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: make it. I do always feel like you're you're growing

1283
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 2: and learning. I need to put junction Like in a week,

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01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: I just feel like I can't write or think of

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01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: the next story or I mean even the show that

1286
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm on, Like I'm having trouble focusing and just like

1287
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: escaping into the role because I'm so still in Junction World.

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01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 2: And I just need to close the chapter on this

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01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: and celebrate it. And I think after you know, we

1290
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: do our little press tour and we do premiere, I'll

1291
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 2: be able to just kind of put it, put it down,

1292
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: and really like I can't. It's hard for me. I'm

1293
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: trying to write something, but I'm having a lot of

1294
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: difficulty because I'm still a Junction World. So yeah, I

1295
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna and I'm gonna allow, but I'm a

1296
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: big believer in the subconscious and just letting that. You know,

1297
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: it's not have deadlines, but it's also nice to just

1298
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: dream and just walk around and have thoughts and like

1299
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: listen and see what those thoughts take you. And I'm

1300
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: really looking forward to I mean, as much as I

1301
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: would love to have my next project set up and

1302
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: ready to go in you know, in the summertime, and

1303
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, keep that keep that answer, will going, I

1304
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,759
Speaker 2: don't have it. Honestly, I don't have the next project

1305
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: set up. So I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna dream

1306
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: and just and just find it and know that this

1307
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: I proved myself that I can do it, and I

1308
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: will do it again. It's just gonna be a lot

1309
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: harder because now I get your kids and they do

1310
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 2: it's hard to write when you get two kids.

1311
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, nap time, that's what that's for.

1312
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, I love it, and I you can I

1313
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 2: ask you.

1314
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: What my work in progress is. Yeah, oh gosh, yeah,

1315
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. It's like I think for me,

1316
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: there's been this coalescing of things that I know. I

1317
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: love to learn, I love research, I love social science data.

1318
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: I love to know why we function the way we function,

1319
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: what things everyone's going through that feel unique but they're

1320
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: actually universal. What's finally started to click for me in

1321
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: a really interesting way is I feel like all the

1322
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: knowledge I've been collecting for a long time has gotten

1323
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: out of my head and into my heart. And I

1324
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know that I wasn't like in my body.

1325
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I was intellectualizing a lot rather

1326
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: than feeling a lot. And to be in a in

1327
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: a phase where I'm like, oh my god, do other

1328
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: people feel like all the way to their toes? Has

1329
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: everyone just been living like this? This is crazy?

1330
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1331
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think. I think I did a lot

1332
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: of work and I think the I think now I'm

1333
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm like in progress. I'm embodied and it's it's wild.

1334
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: I think what it can take to get there in

1335
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: a life. But I'm immensely grateful for how present and

1336
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: whole everything feels right now. And for the first time

1337
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: in my life, I don't feel like I'm in a rush,

1338
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: like I'm just moving slow and happy. Yeah, And that

1339
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: feels nice.

1340
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 2: You seem happy, and you know, just as your friend,

1341
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you and just the leader you've become,

1342
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: and and and the woman you've become, and just like

1343
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: how you've always been championing social justice causes and and

1344
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: you're just such a you're such your born leader, like

1345
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 2: I look up to you as a friend, like I'm

1346
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: like you set soul, you know, and and and your

1347
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: curiosity is is what keeps you going. And I don't know,

1348
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of you.

1349
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: Thanks, But I'm very grateful that you know, twenty years

1350
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: ago we got thrown on a basketball court together. You're

1351
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: a real one.

1352
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: I have thought.

1353
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: I know we did good. Huh kidd all right?

1354
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: Progress, I know, I know.

1355
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what we're doing in the

1356
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: next twenty you write it, let's go, okay, let's do

1357
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: another one.

1358
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: Oh still comedy now, oh.

1359
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: God, please, let's do a rom com.

1360
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm actually That's what I'm working on right now is

1361
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: wrong com. I want to light it up. I'm like done.

1362
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 2: I thought it was good and important, but I'm ready

1363
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: to just not be so serious.

1364
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: You know what I want to say forever every time

1365
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: we make a movie, I and be like, yeah, I

1366
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: said yes before I read it. So I say, yes,

1367
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: let's go make a rom com.

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 2: I'm in all right, that helps, okay, right with your

1369
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: voice in mind?

1370
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: Okay, great? Oh buddy, I love you. I'm so proud

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: of you. Thanks for coming.

1372
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: Today, Thank you for having me. This is so cool.

1373
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a ball in Chicago. I can't wait

1374
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: to see you at the premiere. If you sneak some

1375
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 1: deep dish home on the plane for me, I won't

1376
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: say no to it.

1377
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: What's your favorite one out here?

1378
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I always get in trouble,

1379
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: but like I really, I was always a lum mal

1380
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: Naudi's girl.

1381
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: So I gotta try that next.

1382
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah, yeah, after you're done with that and

1383
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: you don't feel the pressure, I'm just I'm going to

1384
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: send you my restaurant list with my like my star

1385
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: items on the menu at every single one. Yeah, yeah,

1386
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: I got you. I know of some things that are

1387
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 1: off menu at Oshibal that I can't talk about on

1388
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: the podcast, but I will text you. Ever.

1389
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy, Ever, I love it, Buddy, to me, this

1390
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 2: is awesome in the movie. I can't wait for everybody

1391
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: to see your performance.

1392
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait for everybody to see what you made.

1393
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be a part of it. Okay, honey,

1394
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: I love you, I'll see you soon. Go