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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Wisconsin husband and father

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Speaker 1: of three. Is he dead drowned in a massive lake?

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Speaker 1: Is he missing? Or is he snugged up with his

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Speaker 1: Uzbekistan lover. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being.

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Speaker 2: A Wisconsin husband and father of three reported missing after

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Speaker 2: he never comes home from a kayaking day trip.

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Speaker 3: On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,

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Speaker 3: our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's

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Speaker 3: office in reference to a subject that did not return

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Speaker 3: home that evening and the.

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Speaker 4: Last known location.

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Speaker 3: He was was Green Lake. Deputy's headed that way Jeff

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Speaker 3: areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with

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Speaker 3: his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.

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Speaker 3: We immediately deployed our vote and at six point thirty

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Speaker 3: one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in

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Speaker 3: the western part of the lake in the area of

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Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty foot depth of water.

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Speaker 1: Where is the missing father of three? And we thought

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Speaker 1: dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment

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Speaker 1: until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart, but this

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Speaker 1: is not about her. This is about him. She is

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Speaker 1: left with paying the house payment, taking care of the children,

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Speaker 1: and trying to move forward while they ask where's Daddy?

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Speaker 1: But my question is where is Ryan? Borg Wart Joining

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Speaker 1: me in All Star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 1: we know right now. But listen to this.

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Speaker 3: The last contact with the phone and with Ryan was

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Speaker 3: around ten forty five and.

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Speaker 4: When we first.

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Speaker 3: Got it was around six o'clock the next morning.

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Speaker 4: I immediately called.

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Speaker 3: My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second

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Speaker 3: call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us

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Speaker 3: in the past with drown memes that we've had on

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Speaker 3: our lake. And the reason why is because of the

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Speaker 3: depth of our lake. Our lake is two hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty eight feet the largest inland lake in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: What a massive search? Before I go to Keith Kormackan,

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Speaker 1: the underwater search recovery expert and director of Bruce's Legacy

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Speaker 1: who searched for twenty three days, divers put in danger

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Speaker 1: to find the missing Dad, hold tight. Keith Cormanckan first

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Speaker 1: to Alexis Tereschuk, joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: I want to start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. So he goes off on a

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Speaker 1: boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays home

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Speaker 1: and takes care of the three children. Is that is that?

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Speaker 1: Am I understanding that correctly? It's exactly right for work?

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Speaker 5: Goes off. He goes to this lake. It is. It's

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Speaker 5: a pretty big lake, and it is the actual deepest

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Speaker 1: And so he goes off. Oh my god, alexis summer, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you said. That is seven thousand, three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: acres and twenty seven miles of shore and goes nearly

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Speaker 1: two hundred and forty feet deep. You're right, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: And it's summer.

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Speaker 5: It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.

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Speaker 5: It stays light much later there. So he goes for

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Speaker 5: an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something

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Speaker 5: he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near

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Speaker 5: this lake. It's part of their family life.

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Speaker 1: So he goes.

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Speaker 5: Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,

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Speaker 5: he sends his wife a text and he says, Hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm about to head home now, and that is the

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Speaker 5: last thing that anyone heard from him.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Mark Padell says.

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Speaker 3: We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get

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Speaker 3: our plan in place as to what we were going

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Speaker 3: to do. As you can see in the screen behind

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Speaker 3: There was a number of things that we got from

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Speaker 3: the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife

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Speaker 4: And heading towards shore soon.

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Speaker 3: We then got another thing around the eleven fifty and

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Speaker 1: The phone eleven fifty ish at night. I take it,

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Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it wasn't night, it was that that evening. So

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Speaker 5: there was he said the text message to his wife.

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Speaker 5: He says, I'm heading back to shore, I meaning I'm

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Speaker 5: I'll drive home. And then they get one more pin

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Speaker 5: And that is nothing else from this phone.

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Speaker 1: And when is daddy reported missing?

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Speaker 5: That night?

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Speaker 6: She panics.

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Speaker 5: His wife panics that night, but so let's talk with midnight.

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Speaker 5: The next day, she calls the police. They immediately first

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Speaker 5: isn't they at the time. They just thought perhaps he's drowned.

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Speaker 5: You know, lots of accidents can happen on the water.

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Speaker 5: So the police immediately go out to search. He is

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Speaker 5: a dad of three. He is missing. The wife calls.

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Speaker 5: She has no idea of anything that would be wrong

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at

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Speaker 1: report him missing? Simply put that night. So mom immediately

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Speaker 1: reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert director

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Speaker 1: Bruce's Legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water

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Speaker 1: for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith how side scan sonar

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Speaker 1: or sonar actually works well.

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Speaker 7: Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.

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Speaker 7: I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a

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Speaker 7: practically ten feet off the bottom. That generates sonar images

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Speaker 7: of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,

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Speaker 7: we can see tree benches and just very great detail.

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Speaker 7: So we cover an area of about one hundred feet

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Speaker 7: it does take some time and the yeah, we are

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Speaker 7: of the location of targets and such. Once we locate

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Speaker 7: It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar

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Speaker 1: Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this

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Speaker 1: something you can't really tell exactly what it is. Keith Cormickan,

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Speaker 1: how do you tell a person from debris such as

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Speaker 7: Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of images we get of

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Speaker 7: had I don't know, I've done this a lot. I

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Speaker 7: I've kind of gained a I don't know what Naki

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Speaker 1: Question. What is your response, how do you feel about

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Speaker 1: a twenty three day search when now we think this

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Speaker 1: guy may be snugged up with a lover in Hiszbekistan.

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Speaker 7: Well, my first initial response when I first heard it

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Speaker 7: why could not find this guy. We covered this lake

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Speaker 7: more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we

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Speaker 7: Well, I know for sure the first two weeks I

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Speaker 1: An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen.

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Speaker 3: There were some voters out there and one vote with

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Speaker 3: That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was

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Speaker 3: identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue

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Speaker 3: to search figuring that could have been a point of interest,

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Speaker 3: tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle box had a

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Speaker 3: wallet and keys, then a license belonging to.

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Speaker 2: Riot search and rescue organizations. The Sheriff's office and volunteers

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Speaker 2: scour Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign the missing father.

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Speaker 2: Where is Ryan borg Wart? Is he dead? Did he drown?

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Speaker 2: Is he missing somehow? Or is he snugged up with

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Speaker 1: Those are the questions right now in joining me and

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Speaker 1: All Star Panel to make sense of what we know. Now,

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Speaker 1: we understand cadaver dogs are brought out on the water

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Speaker 1: a massive body of water seven three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: divers immense, now dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't

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Speaker 1: Bury cadaver dogs are especially trained to pick up a

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Speaker 1: Bailly To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,

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Speaker 1: How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your

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Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and

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Speaker 9: He's constantly wanting attention, but he's not getting the attention

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Speaker 1: You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.

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Speaker 1: What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.

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Speaker 9: He cares about something other than them, He cares about

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Speaker 1: Saying to be lover in Isbekistan. Yes, then why are

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Speaker 9: Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who

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Speaker 1: Okay, so control yourself, Okay, dilatory.

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Speaker 1: He could be talking to a guy in his underwear

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Speaker 9: That's not what I asked you, But I'm not worried

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Speaker 1: How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.

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Speaker 1: I've lived through my fiance's murder. I know what it

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Speaker 9: You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He

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Speaker 1: You know, I just god deatory. I know you have

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Speaker 1: Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and Morse,

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Speaker 10: Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People

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Speaker 10: have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact

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Speaker 1: Get him back.

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Speaker 10: Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you're referring to as the moral police.

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Speaker 10: Well, he faked a disappearance to his wife and then

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Speaker 1: Authentic Alpha, on Insta, Authentic Alpha Co. Billy Boomheuer. Before

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Speaker 1: I ask you any questions, I've just got to show this.

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Speaker 6: Why can you advice on anything?

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Speaker 1: They go to is bekis Stan or stay here?

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Speaker 7: Say that one more time I go to is Bekistan

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Speaker 6: Do you have family there?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: Why do you want to go to meet a woman?

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Speaker 6: You don't like American women? Oh they're familiar.

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Speaker 1: They're familiar. Is that a bad thing? I guess he

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, but that looks like Borgwart to me? Joining me,

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Speaker 1: Bailey Boomhower, Bailey, what prompted you to ask advice from

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Speaker 11: I was just doing my advice series and then this

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Speaker 6: So you've given up on meeting someone here? No, I'm married.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure, So I'm.

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Speaker 6: Asking you we empty nest? What do you mean? My

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Speaker 9: Wait?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: Oh, you would?

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Speaker 8: You guys would get a divorced possibly possibly Bailey, did you.

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Speaker 1: Ever imagine that that I guess beach side video you

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Speaker 11: I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently

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Speaker 1: Wow, let's see a picture of borg warp and compare. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to more of Billy Bumhauer's interview with who we believe

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Speaker 8: Do you just feel like there's no love left between

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Speaker 1: Diminished?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion

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Speaker 6: I think that's the first thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to just go out on a limb and

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Speaker 1: go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist. Doctor Delatory.

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Speaker 1: You earlier you were talking about how he Borgwart was

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Speaker 1: And you still think he's being manipulated?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Oh you still again? I do still think he's being manipulated.

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Speaker 9: I do think he's being told that whatever love he

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Speaker 9: feels isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.

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Speaker 9: And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw

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Speaker 9: the list of things that the police had had said

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Speaker 9: that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I

447
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Speaker 9: mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,

448
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Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty dollars, three hundred and fifty thousand

449
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Speaker 9: dollars life insurance policy, This guy is soft. This This

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Speaker 9: guy doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where

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Speaker 9: his marriage is. He just wants to leave his family

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Speaker 9: and he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you keep take up for him,

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Speaker 1: claiming that he's the one being manipulated. You know what,

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Speaker 1: The only place I'm getting any straight answers right now

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Speaker 1: is from Bailly Boomhauer, who on a lark, was offering

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Speaker 1: advice out along the water. Where were you exactly, Bailly?

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Speaker 11: I was in Pacific Beach, Sandiego.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who

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Speaker 1: we believe to be boardboard and I.

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Speaker 8: Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up

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Speaker 8: in the air.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Six months later, Yeah, you guys should sort that out.

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Speaker 1: That's the advice.

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Speaker 8: Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Why is it not possible?

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Speaker 1: Incision? Okay, indecision. So because of his indecision, he's led

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Speaker 1: not only his wife and his children, but an entire

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Speaker 1: sheriff's fours divers and dogs on a wild goose chase

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Speaker 1: because he can't just decide to stay with his wife

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Speaker 1: and family or leave for some woman he thinks he's

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Speaker 1: gonna meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I.

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Speaker 8: Feel like indecision is a decision in itself because if

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Speaker 8: you're even questioning.

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Speaker 6: Baally, nice to meet you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, talk to your wife, sort it out. You guys

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Speaker 8: need to know be on the same page with what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Ladies when you run into mister indecision, run for the

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Speaker 1: hills as if you had seen a monster. That's my

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Speaker 1: advice crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, Billy boom Hoower,

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Speaker 1: this is amazing that you got this video. Billy Boomhower,

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Speaker 1: mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta

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Speaker 1: Authentic Alpha. Coo, what was your impression of this guy?

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Speaker 11: It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,

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Speaker 11: he kind of was like I thought maybe he was

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Speaker 11: on something or I really couldn't tell if he was

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Speaker 11: just like joking or if it was real. But then

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Speaker 11: the longer it went on, it just seems like it

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Speaker 11: was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But

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Speaker 11: as you could see, I was kind of confused the

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Speaker 11: whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.

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Speaker 12: My writer I don't know where I am right hapisode

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Speaker 12: for One Street at the seven eleven.

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Speaker 10: What's going on?

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Speaker 12: I got my family in the sweet on the.

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Speaker 7: Phone this week and.

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Speaker 12: Nif I was get out from up from Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 12: I don't know what mostly had said. It's fill on

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Speaker 12: the knees.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, did you? I don't know?

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Speaker 1: Woman, you were not kidnapped. You faked your own disappearance

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Speaker 1: on the eve of your wedding. Jennifer Wilbanks, known as

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Speaker 1: the Runaway Bride, d hey, I can't wait to get

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Speaker 1: hold of Gregory Moore's high profile lawyer on this. Do

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Speaker 1: you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to some more.

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Speaker 12: I hold, I was I say her? I mean I

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Speaker 12: was saying in her forties? Maybe it was.

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Speaker 8: Her.

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Speaker 1: Do you have what it longer? Shore s any fatal hair?

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Speaker 9: No, we'll come a short.

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Speaker 12: Exactly what you are? I want to ask? Saw him

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Speaker 12: again on a maroon.

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Speaker 11: I don't know what colors now.

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Speaker 8: And were kind.

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Speaker 12: It was a boy's van, like a work band, we're

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Speaker 12: going to converted man or a running It wasn't a meaning.

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Speaker 12: It was like a like a like a painter work

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Speaker 12: band direction to day Revan, don't no, I did know

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Speaker 12: where I am.

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Speaker 1: You know, I could just listen to her nim one

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Speaker 1: call all day long. But to Greg remorse, she goes

524
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Speaker 1: so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap,

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Speaker 1: she actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,

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Speaker 1: it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced

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Speaker 1: to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the

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Speaker 1: government for her search. Now you can't order reimbursement. A

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Speaker 1: judge can't do that unless you're convicted of something. Now

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Speaker 1: you were earlier saying this isn't a crime.

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is

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Speaker 10: a person that fakes their own death death can't make

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Speaker 10: a false police report and call nine to one one

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Speaker 10: they're supposed to be dead.

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Speaker 6: And that's what we have here.

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Speaker 10: The example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case.

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Speaker 10: Those people called the police, they committed the crime of

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Speaker 10: filing a false police report that was able to be charges.

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Speaker 10: But again here we don't have that. We have a

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Speaker 10: guy who lied to his family. Not a nice guy,

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Speaker 10: but not a criminal with regard to that aspect, maybe

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Speaker 10: a civil lawsuit by the local police, they can have

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Speaker 10: at it. They'd probably waste more money and legal fees

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Speaker 10: than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't commit a crime

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Speaker 10: here or being this search. He didn't call the police

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Speaker 10: and create a false report.

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Speaker 12: So you're wrong.

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Speaker 7: There is nothing wrong here.

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Speaker 1: He's no crime for.

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Speaker 10: This guy, and probably the jokes on him.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean the joke's on him? Morris?

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Speaker 10: Well, I agree with your doctor. I've been a criminal

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Speaker 10: defense lawyer a long long time and i'll tail signs

554
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Speaker 10: of the victim of a scam. So when he shows

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Speaker 10: up to that beautiful woman he believes he's going to

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Speaker 10: see in Uzbekistan, he's going to see an empty place

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Speaker 10: and he's going to have lost all his money. So

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Speaker 10: while it's horrible for the family, this guy's going to

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Speaker 10: probably suffer for his ridiculous decision to leave his family

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Speaker 10: and be you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on remorse. While faking one's death in itself

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Speaker 1: may not be illegal, what if it is part of

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Speaker 1: a fraudulent plan like insurance fraud. Remember the three hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollar policy he took out. I

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Speaker 1: do not about that.

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Speaker 10: Row Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family,

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Speaker 10: which sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that

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Speaker 10: someone was going to make the insurance claim, then we

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Speaker 10: start getting into.

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Speaker 11: The crime area.

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Speaker 10: It's not a crime to provide for your family, even

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Speaker 10: if you leave them a week later nothing and lie

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Speaker 10: to them. There's no crime there unless someone tries to

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Speaker 10: get the insurance money and claims he's deceased. And if

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Speaker 10: the wife tried to do that, now I would venture

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Speaker 10: she's probably criminally liable because there's enough evidence to know

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Speaker 10: this guy's probably alive somewhere.

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Speaker 2: A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after

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Speaker 2: his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may

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Speaker 2: be alive and far from home.

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Speaker 1: Barry Golden joining me former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Translation,

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Speaker 1: they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner

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Speaker 1: of Golden Consulting and Investigations at GOLDENDASHCI dot com. Barry

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Speaker 1: I think Gregory Morse, while I don't like what he's saying,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of what he is saying is correct.

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Speaker 1: I also agree with him that unlike many other cases

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Speaker 1: where we hear about the US Marshalls tracking down killers

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Speaker 1: all around the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who

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Speaker 1: murdered a pro biker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. There's so many that are brought back to

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Speaker 1: the US for justice. I don't see the US Marshals

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Speaker 1: spending the money to go halfway around the world with

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Speaker 1: Uzbekistan with him. We don't have any type of treaty

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Speaker 1: spending all that money to bring home basically a deadbeat

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Speaker 1: dad who lies to his wife and family and costs

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Speaker 1: probably over one hundred thousand dollars search efforts. Do you

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Speaker 1: think they'll really look for him?

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Speaker 4: Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't

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Speaker 4: think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this

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Speaker 4: guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of

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Speaker 4: the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,

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Speaker 4: it looks like an FBI agent.

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Speaker 7: So how about this?

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Speaker 4: And I disagree with because you can make this what

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Speaker 4: you want to get this guy back on US soil?

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Speaker 4: If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen.

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Speaker 4: Then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a

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Speaker 4: passport form that says I lost or my passport was stolen.

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Speaker 4: At the bottom of that form it says all the

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Speaker 4: information on this form is true and accurate under the

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Speaker 4: penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal

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Speaker 4: crime by committing a false statement on a government document.

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Speaker 4: So if that is true, the FBI can get a

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Speaker 4: warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional

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Speaker 4: arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano

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Speaker 4: wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why

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Speaker 4: would the FBI be involved if they don't get this

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Speaker 4: guy back and try to get back some restitutions because

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Speaker 4: he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north

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Speaker 4: of one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like you just said the other thing, I Barry Golden.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from

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Speaker 4: the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name

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Speaker 4: in Canada. Okay, fake your death one oh one. You

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Speaker 4: don't use your real name, all right? You got to

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Speaker 4: be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's start

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Speaker 4: with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did he

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Speaker 4: get to Canada? He didn't take an uber It's a

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Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada. Did

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Speaker 4: he have help? Does somebody know his dirty little secret

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Speaker 4: that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows? But

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Speaker 4: the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he might

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Speaker 4: be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working with

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Speaker 4: the FBAI, the Office of International Affairs, can get an

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Speaker 4: arrest warrant for making false statements on the government document

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Speaker 4: and get his tail back here to the US. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure his wife wants to slap him upside the head

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Speaker 4: and say, what the hell were you thinking? His kids

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Speaker 4: are probably went from being sad to being disgusted at

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Speaker 4: this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.

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Speaker 4: They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars

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Speaker 4: trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.

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Speaker 4: They're going to get this guy back. You think the

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Speaker 4: Sheriff's office is just going to say, ah, he's in Europe,

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Speaker 4: he's gone. You know another case.

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Speaker 1: No, Barry Golden, everything you said is amazing and correct.

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Speaker 1: Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk to this guy

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Speaker 1: on the waterfront and get basically a confession from him.

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Speaker 1: Billy Boomhower, you can find her on instag at Authentic

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Speaker 1: Alpha Coo. Billy, the last thing any woman needs is

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Speaker 1: mister indecisive. I just want to ask you one more time,

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Speaker 1: what was your sense of this guy and what do

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Speaker 1: you think about being state's witness Number one?

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Speaker 13: I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and

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Speaker 13: it seemed like he already kind of had his mind

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Speaker 13: made up about things, so when he was asking you questions,

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Speaker 13: I feel like he like visitally did not I want

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Speaker 13: to hear what I was saying. He just wanted me

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Speaker 13: to pretty much tell him.

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Speaker 11: Like, yes, just go to his backes stand and leave

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Speaker 11: your family. And it just seemed also like he just

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Speaker 11: kept smiling to himself, So I feel like he was almost.

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Speaker 13: Like smug in a way.

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Speaker 11: But I feel like it could have just been like

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Speaker 11: a confession right before he decided to disappear.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: disappearance of husband and father of three Ryan Borgwart, dial two,

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Speaker 1: dial nine to zero two nine four four one three

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Speaker 1: four repeat nine to zero two nine to four, four

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Speaker 1: one three four And when he is dragged back to

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Speaker 1: the US, I'm sure his first call is going to

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Speaker 1: be to Gregory Morse, high profile lawyer joining us today

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Speaker 1: from King Morse. Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend, give

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Speaker 1: me