1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: and in war zones. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 3: We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive our adversaries. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: theories large and small. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Could they be true? 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 4: Or are we being manipulated? 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: This is mission implausible. 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 5: And now we continue our conversation with Terry Ertz, former 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 5: astronaut and Air Force commander, who recently announces candidacy to 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 5: be the Democratic senator from Texas. 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Terry, I want to throw you under the bus my 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: favorite thing. Yes, why should people vote for you? What's 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: your vision? Why do you want to do this? And 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: how do people help? 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: That is a great question. I believe that I'm a 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 4: candidate who can win. And of course I'm running in Texas, 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: which is a republican state. It's not super republican. It's 22 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: not Wyoming, and it's not Alabama. It's Texas. It's a 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: little bit republican. And we haven't had a Democrat win 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: here in over thirty years. So if we keep on 25 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: doing the same thing over and over again, we're going 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: to keep on getting the same result. So I'm a 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: different kind of candidate. I'm not a politician. I don't 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: have a ten year voting record with Joe Biden, and 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 4: I'm definitely not a national Party darling. They've been very 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 4: clear that they don't want me to run, so I 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: feel like as an outsider that gives me a leg up. 32 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: Texans like their independence and that's the kind of Democrat 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 4: that I am. I'm also common sense. I'm going to 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: focus on healthcare, education issues and not on the culture 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 4: war stuff that doesn't play well nationally, it doesn't play 36 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 4: well in Texas. Here's a stat for you. Then, there's 37 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: thirty two hundred counties in America. About two thousand of 38 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: those are rural counties. When Clinton was running for president, 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: he won more than half of the rural counties. That 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: number has been going down. Kamala Harris won eight percent. 41 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: So basically Democrats have completely lost Bill America. A god 42 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: named Shane Golden for the New York Times just did 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: some great research. He looked at every county over the 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 4: last ten years and thirteen hundred counties in America have 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 4: been dramatically shifting towards Republicans, and fifty have been shifting 46 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 4: towards Democrats. So the party is lost. It has a 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: twenty seven percent popularity rating nationwide right now, it's about 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 4: the same in Texas, and we're going to get our 49 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: butts kicked. And the problem with that is we have 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: this disaster that is Trump. We have chaotic tariffs that 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: he shot our national reputation in the foot. Overseas, We're 52 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: sending masked men pulling people off the streets, throwing them 53 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: in on marked cars. That is the direction we're going 54 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: unless Democrats can get better. So I want to be 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: the kind of independent, common sense Texan Democrat who can 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: actually win in a state like Texas. And if I 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: can win in Texas, that'll make national news, right, That 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: changes the national that changes the international conversation. So if 59 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: people want to support me, I would super appreciate that. 60 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 4: Terry Urch dot com is my website, te r r 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 4: y v irts and I'm not a politician. I'm not 62 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: coming in with a big fundraising base. This is my 63 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: first race, so getting fundraising going is super like that's 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 4: the rocket fuel that makes the rocket lift off. 65 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: What is the biggest challenge of running in Texas. I 66 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: would think would be like not being able to say 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: openly that the cowboys suck? 68 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: Is it? 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: So you know there's Aggi's and Longhorns, and there's Cowboys 70 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 4: and Texans, and there's Astros and Rangers, and you know 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 4: there's a West Texas and East Texas. Yeah, there's a 72 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: lot of countries here in Texas. You know, Texas were 73 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 4: in a country, we would be the eighth biggest economy 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: on Earth. It's a huge state. So it's kind of 75 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 4: like running for the top office in the eighth biggest 76 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: economy on Earth, you know, like in Germany or England 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: or something like that. It's a big financial raised the 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: last election, both candidates raised right around one hundred million 79 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: dollars each. I think to win the primary, I'm gonna 80 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: need twenty million dollars. You have to have a staff, 81 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: and my staff they want to be paid. They're so annoying, 82 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: like they expect to have a salaries and they and 83 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: you know, I'm trying to work them twenty hours a day, 84 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: but they want to get paid for that, and you 85 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: have to run ads. I think there's twenty media markets, 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 4: I've been told in Texas, so there's Austin in the 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: Valley and Beaumont. You know, there's all these different media markets, 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 4: which means it's expensive because you got to run ads 89 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: in all these different places. So there's a lot of 90 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: challenges to running in Texas. But I think it's the 91 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: right thing. And here's the bottom line. There's an astronaut 92 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: senator in Arizona, Mark Kelly, and Texas needs an astronaut senator. 93 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: I mean, we can't have at Arizona having one without 94 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: Texas having one. So that's my pitch. 95 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: What's the challenge from the Democrats? Who is your challenging 96 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: And it seems like they keep running same people over 97 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: and over. 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 4: Basically, I don't know yet. As far as I know, 99 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 4: I'm the first one, you know who's been public about announcing. 100 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: I assume that the guy that lost the last time 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 4: was Colin Alright, I think he's going to run again. 102 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 4: I like Colin, good guy. I was supporting him six 103 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: months ago against Ted Cruz by almost ten points. I 104 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 4: did some research on Wikipedia. It's very high tech, and 105 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: I went back one hundred years. Nobody has ever lost 106 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 4: the Senate race and then won in Texas in one 107 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: hundred years except for one time nineteen sixty LBJ ran 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: for Senate and vice president. So when he won vice president, 109 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: there was a special election for a Senate seat a 110 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: few months later, and so John Tower lost originally and 111 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: then he won a few months later the special election, 112 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: and that was like the week after the bea Pig 113 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: or two weeks after the bea Pig's fiasco, and he 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: won by one percent. So basically, Texans don't if you 115 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 4: lose a Senate race, that's bad omen for trying to 116 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 4: do it again. 117 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I remember John Tower. 118 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: He used to drink quite a. 119 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: Bit, and he was not Secretary of Defense because I 120 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 4: think mister Reagan, although he did, there was the Tower Commission, 121 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: so he did the investigation after Challenger. 122 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: I think it was so terry that John and I 123 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: are always asked, like inevitably, what's the best spy movie? 124 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: Keving Ben and Cia we have a sort of stink. 125 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: So what's the best astronaut movie? 126 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: I have my Mount Rushmore. From a documentary point of view, 127 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: is it Spaceball? No, it's not Spaceball, So it's Apollo eleven. 128 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: Apollo eleven was a CNN film They did it a 129 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: few years ago on the fiftieth anniversary of Apollo, and 130 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: it's awesome. I watched it in theater and Imax twice 131 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: and I was literally my heart was racing more watching 132 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 4: that movie when they launched than it was when I 133 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: actually launched in the space. It's a great documentary about 134 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: Apollo eleven. 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 6: Pollow eleven has very simply been given the mission of 136 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 6: carrying men to the Moon, landing them there, and bringing 137 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 6: them safely back, like the color is gone. 138 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: Over landing. I love Apollo thirteen, the Tom Hanks movie. 139 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: That's just awesome. It's and it's real, Like it's not 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: even made up. It's a real story. You know, those 141 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: are real characters, good guys put on on the moon. 142 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: This is the crew of Steve Paulow thirteen wishing everyone 143 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: back on at pleasant evening. 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 4: Houston, we'd have a problem, And the astronats were actually floating. 145 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: They filmed it in the Vomit comment, So there's this 146 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: big airliner that goes up and pushes over and you 147 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: get twenty to thirty seconds of waitlessness. So all the 148 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: scenes of them in space, they're actually floating. They're actually 149 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 4: like they built a little Apollo inside the airliner and 150 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: they're filming them floating and the thanks. So I love that. 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 4: I love the right stuff. I read the book. I 152 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: didn't see the movie for years later, but the book 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 4: is just spectacular. It's about Chuck Yeger and the early 154 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: Mercury astronauts. It's a great movie. On October fourteenth, nineteen 155 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: forty seven, Captain Charles Jaeger shattered the sound barrier. 156 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: You've heard about our project sounds dangerous. 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: It's very dangerous. 158 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 6: Count me in. 159 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: My favorite is Interstellar. I listen to that soundtrack. It's 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: when I was in space. I would listen to that 161 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: soundtrack going to sleep, floating in my sleeping bag. I 162 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: listened to it last night here usually most nights on Earth, 163 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: I'll just turn it on and let it play while 164 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: I fell drift off to sleep. It's a like a 165 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: fantasy movie. It's not really a space movie, but it's 166 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: a father daughter movie, which is why I like it. 167 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 4: What's your favorite spy movies. I love spy movies. 168 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: Because I was in that media. I like Zero Dark Thority. 169 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: It's kind of dark, but I know some of the 170 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: people who their characterized, and I think that's a that's 171 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: a good one. 172 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: I watched that in Star City right before I launched. 173 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: But I'd have to say there are some movies that 174 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: get some things right, but I don't think there's one 175 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: movie out there that really like gets it. 176 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: What do you think, John, There's a couple series and 177 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: TV shows that are better than others. There's the French 178 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: series The Bureau, and there's The Americans, which has the 179 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: sort of cover on how you work under cover stuff, right, 180 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: but the murders and things aren't realistic. 181 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: So right back answer then, Terry, what do you think 182 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: about Top Gun? 183 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: You were also a fighter pilot? You just how does 184 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: it fit it? 185 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 4: So Top Gun one is the best. I mean, it's 186 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 4: hard to imagine a better movie. It's so entertaining the 187 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: lines are I can quote the movie literally. If I 188 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: was an actor, I wouldn't need the script. I know 189 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 4: the entire movie by heart. I've seen it five million times. 190 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: It came out when I was a kidet so like 191 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 4: I was just I wanted to be a fighter pilot 192 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 4: more than life itself. It was my burning desire. So 193 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: I watched that movie a million times, and Top Gun 194 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: two was Top Gun one with just older Tom Cruise 195 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 4: and a lot more CG, a lot of the flying 196 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: with CG and Top Gun two. I mean they're fun. 197 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 4: They're not realistic, but they're just fun movies. That's why 198 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 4: you go to the movie theater. Jows like it's just 199 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 4: a fun movie to go see. Which, by the way, 200 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: Jos fifty years old. Now that's as old as Chuck 201 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 4: Schumer's political career. He got elected when jobs came out. 202 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: And I'm running against John Cornyn here in Texas. He 203 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: got elected when I was in high school. Wham was 204 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: at the top of the church. Wake me up before 205 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 4: you go go when John Cornyn first get elected, These 206 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: guys need to be gone. 207 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: When you win, it'll be interesting to talk to you. 208 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: Say, what is it that's so great about being a 209 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: politician that people want to stay until they're like ninety 210 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: years old? 211 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 6: Yeah? 212 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: I would think that you do your thing and then 213 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you're seventy, you'd be like, I got 214 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: a life ahead of me. I'm done. 215 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's going to be me, John. Look, the only 216 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: way I'm going to die in the Senate is if 217 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: I got run over by a bus. And if you win, 218 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: what's in it for us or that's handouts, lots of pork. Yeah, 219 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: new post offices, curbs for the streets, you know everything. 220 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: So let's take a break. 221 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 4: We'll be back in a moment. 222 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: To go back to your time as an astronaut. How 223 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: does he's traveled change your perspective on things on Earth, 224 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: or humanity or politics for that matter. 225 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 4: It changes them a lot. It is a beautiful planet. 226 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: It's an amazing Earth. I just you can't imagine until 227 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 4: you see it yourself. And it's hard to get impressed 228 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 4: with people. A lot of people in our pop culture, 229 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: pop politics, Hollywood, they're very impressed with themselves. Donald Trump 230 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 4: likes gold. When you see Earth, it's hard to get 231 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 4: impressed with the latest Kardashian news or whatever. It's like, 232 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: there's just a much bigger universe out there, So it 233 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 4: puts that in perspective. The things that matter to me 234 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 4: are people who are doing good for other people, you know, 235 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: trying to solve malaria, trying to stop hunger in Africa, 236 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: trying to stop wars from happening, trying to help working 237 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: class Texans be able to afford to buy a house. 238 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: And as far as politics, it hit me after a 239 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: few days in space I realized that you can't see 240 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: people during the daytime. You can see them at nighttime. 241 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 4: You see them in city lights, and I had never 242 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: thought of that. I'm like, oh, wow, there's people, but 243 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: during daylight, and if you know what you're looking for, 244 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: you could see a city or something, but you don't 245 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: notice it. And then it hit me after a few 246 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 4: more days, I'm like, city lights at night, you're not 247 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 4: seeing population, you're seeing wealth because in Africa there's no 248 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: lights on. In North Korea South koreasm I could show 249 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 4: you a picture. There's a striking difference between North and 250 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 4: South Korea, and what you're really seeing there is corruption 251 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 4: in politics. You're seeing systems that work and you're seeing 252 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: systems that don't. 253 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: Right. 254 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: Africa is like, unfortunately full of corrupt folks. So that 255 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: was my take from space. It's a beautiful planet. It's 256 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 4: hard to get too impressed with people who think they're 257 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 4: important or want to make gold plated whatever in the 258 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: Oval office. Politics need to be done right and not 259 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,239 Speaker 4: in a corrupt way, which is the way this administration 260 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: wants to do them. 261 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: Intelligence is about fix, or at least assessing fix as 262 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: best we can, and you're both as a fighter pilot 263 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: is and an astronaut expertise and scientific fis X are like, 264 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: that's how things work. So you can out of a 265 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: fit base milieu and we get a teamwork. 266 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 5: Right. 267 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 3: The fighter pilot doesn't you know, he doesn't guess off 268 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: the plane and you know, and fix it and all. 269 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: The rest of that. So what's your sense going into politics? 270 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: What is it you want to do as far as 271 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: promoting expertise, accepting fix even if they conflict with. 272 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: What you believe. 273 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: So I think that's my selling point. I mean, I'm 274 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: not a politician. I'm not doing this just to join 275 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: Team D so I can bash Team ARE, which is 276 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: what they do constantly. That's not what Texans want, That's 277 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: all what most Americans want. 278 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 5: You know. 279 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: There's a thing called a bell curve. Right, it's fat 280 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: in the middle, and it's skinny on the right and 281 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 4: on the left, and most Americans are in the middle 282 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: of most things. I think that's my experience in life, 283 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 4: and so I just want to solve things. You know, 284 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: when I'm eluctant Senator, I'm going to go meet with 285 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 4: Ted Cruz and I'm going to shake his hand and say, Ted, 286 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: what can we do? For Texas. You know, we're not 287 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: going to agree on very much, but there's some things 288 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 4: we can agree on. We'll agree on the space falls, like, 289 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 4: there's probably space work we can do. Let's agree on energy. 290 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: I'm a big all of the above energy. I've been 291 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 4: working for nov which is an oil and gas company, 292 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: for the last four years as a consultant, helping them 293 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 4: do energy transition technology. So let's work on energy anyway. 294 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: I want to figure out how we can solve things. 295 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 4: How can we solve the debt the normal political process 296 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 4: of well, we'll vote at fifty one to forty nine 297 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: in the Senate and then make this giant sweeping thing. 298 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 4: That's the wrong way to do things. We need to negotiate. 299 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: Let's try and figure out what works for everybody. When 300 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: you have a disagreement in the Senate, for example, there 301 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: should be some give and take. Let's negotiate. I don't 302 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 4: like everything about this bill, but I like most of it. 303 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to want to actually govern and work with 304 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: both sides, and that the art of that has been gone. Unfortunately, 305 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: we don't get the politicians that we want. We get 306 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: the politicians that they want. And the reason that that 307 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: happens is something called jerrymandering. The districts here in Texas 308 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: are so funny. Some people are like, you should run 309 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 4: for House. There's no winnable House seats because they're so 310 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: badly jurymannered. And then we do partisan primary, so only 311 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: the most extreme Republicans pick the Republican candidate, and only 312 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 4: the most extreme left wing Democrats pick the Democratic candidate. 313 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: So the House is fifty to fifty, but it's fifty 314 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 4: to fifty with some of them, not all, but many 315 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 4: of the most extreme people. So the system that we 316 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 4: have is just not designed to work properly. And I 317 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: do want to work properly. So I want to work 318 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: with both parties to actually govern and do things that 319 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: the Texans want. I think that's a difference between a lot, 320 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: not all, but that many of the politicians today. 321 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: I think we need to start electing a few people 322 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: like you and others that are trying to work to 323 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: the center instead of to the extremes. And there's some 324 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: young politicians who seem good at that. You know, obviously 325 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: we go Spanenberger here in Virginia seems to be able 326 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: to work across the aisle and list of Slotkin these 327 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: are both CIA people. 328 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: That's the way we. 329 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: Think. But you know, the system is creating this problem 330 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: that you say, yeah, But let me just say as well, 331 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: a Texas thing that we don't necessarily have a strong 332 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: opinion on. I don't think Jerry and I we would 333 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: like come and sense solutions immigration. It seems like something 334 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: that our Congress, our Senate end house has essentially kicked 335 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: on the road for years, and it's created the problems 336 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: we lead now, and now we're attacking each other rather 337 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: than solving them. So what's your take as a Texan 338 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: on what the dangers of immigration and what maybe we 339 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: can do? 340 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 4: So I feel very strongly about this. I love legal 341 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 4: immigration and I think we should have zero illegal immigration. 342 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: Everybody here in Texas is an immigrant from somewhere. Everybody, 343 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 4: even Native Americans thousands of years ago, came across the 344 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: Burying Sea from Russia. Everybody came from somewhere to be here. 345 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: And by the way, our economy depends on immigrants. You know, 346 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 4: I'm going to have some strawberries for lunch. They were 347 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure picked by immigrants. I live in a house 348 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,479 Speaker 4: that was built by immigrants. There's a lot of important 349 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: work that makes our economy function. 350 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: But you talked about the political the system is the problem. Yeah, 351 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: but the immigration system is part of the problem because 352 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: you're saying you don't want no illegal immigration, but there's 353 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: almost no means to get in legally because we haven't 354 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: created a system, not prohective immigration reform. 355 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: Congress has completely failed. Last year, there was a very strong, 356 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: one of the most Republican immigration bills of all time. 357 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: Democrats wanted to pass it. I talked to a Republican senator, 358 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: he told me face to face. Trump called Senator Lankford 359 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: from Oklahoma, former preacher, one of the most conservative Republicans 360 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: in the Senate. I think a good man. He negotiated 361 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 4: this bill. This was a tough bill, very tough on 362 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 4: the numbers of people who were allowed to come over, 363 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 4: thousands of more border patrol agents, thousands of more judges. 364 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: It was going to break this logjam. Trump called the 365 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 4: Republicans and said, don't vote for it. I want immigration 366 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 4: to be an issue for the election. So the Republican 367 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: Party chose party over country. They actively chose to hurt 368 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: America and continued this immigration disaster that was happening. So 369 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: Republicans are hugely responsible for this because they wouldn't vote 370 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 4: for that bill when they should. And Democrats are respond 371 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 4: well too. I mean, Biden was president for four years. 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: There were millions of illegals coming over, and Democrats would 373 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: not stand up and say, hey, this needs to stop. 374 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: Let's stop this. He could have taken extraordinary measures, he 375 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 4: could have taken leadership. They gasled America and they said, 376 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 4: don't worry. The legal immigration's fine. If you're against it, 377 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 4: you're a bad person. And that was wrong. And you 378 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 4: know what, now Donald Trump's president. Because Democrats would not 379 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 4: accept responsibility for what was a profound failure in this 380 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 4: immigration disaster. Americans said, we trust Donald Trump more than 381 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: we trust Democrats. And that's an indictment on my own party. 382 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: Sounds like you're making the right enemies. 383 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 4: I have no problem making enemies about NASA. 384 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about these new companies and Musk. Yeah, 385 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: now a space force. You know, you worked through an 386 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: organization NASA, big bureaucracy like we worked in CIA. 387 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 4: Big briain. 388 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. What is the future of NASA? 389 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 1: What is its role and if any in sort of 390 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: managing all these different things that are happening, is it 391 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: and there's been huge NASA cuts. Are those good things? 392 00:18:58,800 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: Bad things? 393 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: What's your take? 394 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: Yeah? So, if I have anything to say about it, 395 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 4: NASA will have an important public private partnership role going 396 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: forward in exploration. The science that NASA does is super important, 397 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 4: super interesting in its world leading and what Trump has 398 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: proposed in his proposed budget is an absolute disaster. It's 399 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 4: unmitigated disaster for the nation space capability. It's a national 400 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 4: security issue too. I'm here in Houston. There's thousands of 401 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 4: people at the Johnson Space Center that are going to 402 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 4: get laid off. Trump is proposing of fifty percent cut 403 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: in science. And it's not only a NASA, it's also 404 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: across the government. It's a National Science Foundation, National Institute 405 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: of Health, Department of Energy, all the different government agencies 406 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: that do research. There's a big radar right here in 407 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: my hometown in South Houston that tracks the hurricanes. Whenever 408 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: you see the hurricane coming across the Gulf, this is 409 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: the radar that does it. They're going to be losing 410 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 4: a lot of researchers and a lot of scientists who 411 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 4: attract this weather. So the science cuts that Trump is 412 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: doing are absolutely disastrous, and he's doing that to save 413 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 4: pennies on the dollar so that he can give tax 414 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: cuts to billionaires. It's immoral, it's disgusting. It's going to 415 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: hurt Texas and generations to come. Kids who are here 416 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: at Texas A and M and University of Texas and 417 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 4: Rice that want a job. There's not going to be 418 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 4: any jobs. NASA is not hiring. None of the companies 419 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 4: around here are hiring. They're all laying off. What's happening 420 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 4: right now is a terrible state of affairs for science. 421 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 4: I hope Congress does its job and resets it, but 422 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: even their damage is still done. Even if Congress resets 423 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: a budget that's reasonable, they can still do real damage 424 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: just being the executive branch. 425 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Just hold on for a short break. 426 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: We'll be right back, Terry. 427 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: We talked about Russia, and you know Russians, and you 428 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: understand the air war. 429 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: The politics of it. What what would be your Ukraine policy? 430 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 4: That's a great question. My first Ukraine policy would be 431 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 4: to make an unequivocal stance that hey, we are on 432 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 4: the side of Ukraine. You're our allies, We're going to 433 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 4: support you. I've been there several times in the last 434 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 4: year doing humanitarian emissions, delivering ambulances. I mean, these folks 435 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: are our allies. These are the good guys. There's no 436 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: moral equivalent here. Vladimir Putin wants to be Catcher in 437 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: the Great he wants to restore the Russian Empire. He's 438 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 4: attacking a free and independent country. He's violating the nineteen 439 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: ninety four agreement where they gave up their nuclear weapons 440 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: in exchange for some security agreements. We're not honoring our 441 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: side of that deal. And by the way, other countries 442 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 4: are noticing, Hey, if you sign a deal with America, 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: you can't trust them. We backed out of Buddhapest memorandum, 444 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 4: we backed out of the Iran deal. We've backed out 445 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: of lots of deals. So countries have noticed that America 446 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: is not dependable and that's not acceptable. When I saw 447 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: Vladimir Selenski get berated in the White House, it was 448 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: one of the worst days of my life. I couldn't 449 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 4: imagine and the country that I love so much would 450 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 4: be berating our friend and victim and praising this monstrous 451 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 4: terrorist enemy in Vladimir Putin. One of the most important 452 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: things in my life. In nineteen ninety five, I led 453 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: four f sixteens on a Missing Man formation at Colville 454 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 4: Sir Mayor over the American Military Cemetery in Normandy, France, 455 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: and I remember I was so emotional. I'm like, man, 456 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 4: Americans came here, We liberated Europe, we fought the enemies. 457 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: When I was sixteen years old, I live in an 458 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: exchange program in Finland, and I lived in a town 459 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 4: that was right on the Soviet border. We were on 460 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: a lake and part of the lake was the Soviet 461 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: Union and part of the lake was Finland. And that 462 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 4: really made an impact on me. And I was like, man, 463 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 4: these people they can't leave. There's guards there keeping them in. 464 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: When they would come on tourist visits, they had to 465 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: walk in a line. They couldn't, you know. I was like, 466 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 4: this sucks. So the next year I went to the 467 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: Air Force Academy raise my right hand to defend Europe 468 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 4: from Russia, because I knew how dangerous they were and 469 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: we need to bring that realization, like let's open our 470 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 4: eyes up and realize that there are bad people on earth. Russia, China, 471 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: North Korea, Iran, they don't share values. They're authoritarian surveillance states, 472 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: and there are good people on Earth and We need 473 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 4: to get back into that moral compass aligned towards true north, 474 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 4: and this administration has thrown that out the window. We 475 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: need to we need to go reach out and pull 476 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: bring it back in the window. 477 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 478 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: The rules based order that the US established after World 479 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: War Two, that's allowed us to become wealthy and a 480 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: world leader. It's also not just about defending Europe and 481 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: defending our ideals and democracy. It's also about defending our 482 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: jobs and our place in the world. 483 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 484 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: Let me say real quick, Texas, I was bragging about 485 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 4: how big our economy is. Our trade so just imports 486 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: and exports are right around four hundred and forty billion dollars. 487 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 4: So if all Texas did was important export goods to 488 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 4: and from other countries, we would still be a top 489 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 4: third economy in the world. Trade is incredibly important to tech, 490 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: you know, to mechanics, to school teachers, to policemen. Our 491 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: economy thrives. The reason why the Texas economy is so 492 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 4: awesome and it's so big and important is because of trade. 493 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: And the reason why trade is so successful is because 494 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: of the rules based order that these young men went 495 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 4: to Normandy to die for in nineteen forty four. That 496 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: allowed us to put all this infrastructure in place. The 497 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 4: Trump administration and today's GOP has really put that at risk. 498 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: China and Russia drooling. They love seeing what's happening. They 499 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 4: love seeing America split apart from our friends in Europe. 500 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 4: This is absolutely their best possible scenario, is what Trump's 501 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: doing right now. When I'm in the Senate, I'm going 502 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: to try and undo that and put us back on 503 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: the right direction. 504 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you lived in Finland, and I lived 505 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: in Finland too, and Jerry lived in what was in 506 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Berlin and what was West Germany before that, and we've 507 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: been on those borders. And what's interesting about those borders 508 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: between the free and the unfree world is the towers 509 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: that are at the borders. The towers in Finland they 510 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: look east to protect against Soviets. Hours on the Russian 511 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Soviet side they also look east to keep their people 512 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: in and so it's a different thing entirely, And so 513 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, we need to defend those things. Those are 514 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: important things the people closest to those problems understanding really well. 515 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask about the thing that I 516 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: mentioned when I was looking you up in my introduction 517 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: about this circumnavigation of the Earth. Yeah, tell me a 518 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: little bit about that if you have time. 519 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 4: Sure. So that was an amazing project. A friend of 520 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 4: mine put it together. It was on the fiftieth anniversary 521 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 4: the Apollo moon landing. He wanted to do something to 522 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: commemorate that, So I got to make a film. I 523 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 4: was actually a director of this film called One More Orbit. 524 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: We're trying to set a world record. 525 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: It's the lastest time ever to go from one place 526 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: on the Earth, over both poles and back to the 527 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: same point on the Earth old in under fourteen hours. 528 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: Calling themselves one More Orbit. Their goal is to complete 529 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 4: the fastest circumnavigation of the Earth via the North and 530 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 4: South Poles in a business this jet and they're live 531 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: streaming the whole thing. We took off and landed from 532 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 4: the Kennedy Space Center and we flew over the North 533 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: and South Paul and we set a world record for 534 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: circumnavigating the globe, for flying around Earth. That was a 535 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: fun project. 536 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: So you you mentioned when you took your oath on 537 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: the Constitution right to defend the ideals and the Constitution 538 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: from all enemies foreign and domestic. And you know I've 539 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: served in Afghanistan and Iraq and our province Ramadi, Fallujah 540 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: and up country in Afghanistan. John has done time in 541 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: the Belly of the Beast in Moscow and some really 542 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: dangerous places as well. So service has always been important 543 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: to us. And I remember one of my bosses early 544 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 3: on when I was in CIA, said, if you want chicks, 545 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: money and fame, you know, join a fucking rock band, 546 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: you know, and if you could give us your sense 547 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 3: of like what service meets you? Because none of us 548 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 3: got rich, right, we all chose courses that place strains 549 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: on our friends and family, strains on our life. 550 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: You know. We didn't make a lot of money. 551 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 3: And we took some big risks, but we did it 552 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: for something that we believe in, something for service. And 553 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 3: I was wondering, everybody has a sort of a different 554 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: take on this, but what's your sense of what does 555 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: service mean to you? 556 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: Speaking of rock bands, by the way, I just saw 557 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 4: Metallica last week here in Houston. They were awesome or 558 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 4: all like older than me, but man, those guys could play. 559 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 4: They were getting after it for like hours. I'm reading 560 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 4: this book right now called An Unfinished Love Story. It's 561 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 4: about the nineteen sixties and this couple that was involved 562 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: in JFK and lbja's administration. It's a great book. And 563 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 4: reading these speeches that this man Dick Goodwin was writing 564 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 4: for the presidents, they're amazing. And the things that John 565 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 4: Kennedy was saying, I mean he said, ask not what 566 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 4: your country can do for you, but what you can 567 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: do for your country. And a lot of times as politicians, 568 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: we just want to hand out goodies and promise all 569 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: these things and I'll wait my magic wand and everything 570 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 4: will be better. Well that's not true, that's not how 571 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 4: it works. And service is really important. 572 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: You know. 573 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 4: I did a graduation speech at n F thirty five 574 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 4: highlight graduation from training. And these kids are, I don't know, 575 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 4: twenty three. I was twenty one flying jets when I started, 576 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: so they're in their early twenties. They are great. I mean, 577 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 4: they are really good. They're a lot better than I 578 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 4: ever was. And they want to serve their country. And 579 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 4: so there's a lot of young people in America that 580 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: want to serve their country, which gives me hope. I 581 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: remember when I was based in Germany, used to go 582 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 4: to the Luxembourg American Military Cemetery there. General Patten's buried there, 583 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: and I remember just sitting there weeping because it struck 584 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 4: me that all these guys were nineteen twenty years old 585 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 4: and they lost their whole lives. I mean literally, their 586 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: whole life was given for us. Those men gave their 587 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: lives so that we could live in a free world 588 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 4: without Nazis running things. We'd be speaking German if it 589 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 4: wasn't for them. And I have a really strong sense 590 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: that I need to give back. There's a verse in 591 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: the Bible that's to those who much has been given, 592 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 4: much will be expected, and I encourage people to think 593 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: about that. You know, what have you been given? What's expected? 594 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: Not everybody has to run for Senate or join the CIA, 595 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 4: but there's things that you can do to serve your 596 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 4: That's what we've had. We've had a tradition to that, 597 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 4: and I hope that can continue the current administration. I 598 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: don't think service is necessarily a thought that crosses that 599 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: administration very often, but service before self is one of 600 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 4: the core values of the Air Force. It's one of 601 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: the core values of my campaign, and I think it's 602 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: what we need for the country. 603 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your service, and thank you for 604 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: your willingness to continue to serve. Anybody who wants to 605 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: help support the campaign can go to Terrytz dot com 606 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: and look at his original or first campaign ad. 607 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: It's pretty cool from Orbit Earth takes your breath away. 608 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 4: It felt like seeing creation from God's point of view, 609 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 4: something no human was meant to see. But amidst that beauty, 610 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 4: danger is never far. You learn fast that chaos is lethal, 611 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 4: So you adapt, You solve problems, and you lead because 612 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 4: your lives depend on it. Down here, Trump's chaos must 613 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: be stopped. The corruption is overwhelming, our constitution is under attack, 614 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: and MAGA wants corrupt Ken Paxton in the Senate. After 615 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four election disaster, Washington Democratic leadership skip 616 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 4: the debrief while chaos spreads. They claim to the same 617 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 4: old bankrupt ideas that they and not voters, should pick 618 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: our candidates and then we should run the same old, 619 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 4: tired playbook again, hoping for a different outcome. This moment 620 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 4: demands something different. Honesty, courage, and a clean break from 621 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: the past. I'm an American first, a Texan second, and 622 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: a common sense Democrat third. It's time for new leadership. 623 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 4: I'm Terry Urtz. I'm running for US Senate and I'm 624 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 4: ready for my next mission. 625 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for spending so much time with us today. 626 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: We love talking to you, We love getting your opinion 627 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: in view one things really appreciate it. 628 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. 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