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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and each week I talk

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Speaker 1: about cool people who did cool stuff. This week, I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited about our guest because she's Caitlinder on time,

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Speaker 1: which is exciting. Hello. Yeah, you're that. You're the co

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Speaker 1: host of the Bechdel Cast, which is about movies. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct? It is true movies. And we watch a movie,

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Speaker 1: we say this is a sexist pile of garbage, and

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Speaker 1: then sometimes I'm like, oh, but I still like it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's not the kiles of garbage that I still like.

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Speaker 1: This is a good episode for you. Oh well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're talking about, so I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to find out. Yeah. I mean basically, uh, of the

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Speaker 1: men in history who are worth talking about as cool

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Speaker 1: are also sexist. So you know, no matter what you do,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be some of them. Don't worry. This

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Speaker 1: is not an episode about one particular one. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to build up the suspense. Audience will already know what

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Speaker 1: the thing is about because they've seen the title. Caitlin

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Speaker 1: is not um. But how are you doing? How are you, Caitlin?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing very well, I let's see. UM. I just

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Speaker 1: saw are r R in theaters for the third time.

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Speaker 1: It's my new favorite movie. I'm spreading the gospel. UM.

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Speaker 1: I had the catalytic converter stolen out of my car,

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Speaker 1: and I was told that it would take Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. UM. I was told that it would be

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Speaker 1: months before I would get a replacement part because there's

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Speaker 1: a supply chain issue because everyone's getting there things stolen. Um.

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Speaker 1: But they happen to have a spare one, and I

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Speaker 1: fit my coach and exactly like the one that was

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Speaker 1: sell it. Oh, I wonder where that came from. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I got my car back much sooner than anticipate.

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Speaker 1: Things are looking up. Things are looking up. I love

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Speaker 1: that for you. Thank you. How are you, Margaret. I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm on this long road trip and I'm paranoid that

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Speaker 1: someone's gonna steal the cattle that converted around in my truck.

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Speaker 1: the underside of my truck, and then I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, I'm still more likely to know

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Speaker 1: there's other bad things that could also happen that are worse.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope not. Oh that's true. Only good things will

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Speaker 1: happen because this is the only good things podcast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We Also, this show is produced by Sophie Lichterman, who

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Speaker 1: is also my friend. She has a cute dog. Sophie,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Thank you for complimenting Anderson. She appreciates

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Speaker 1: am honored to be your producer and friend. I am well,

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Speaker 1: I am well, um, Anderson, are are you well? She

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Speaker 1: just looked at me. She she is, Well, she got

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Speaker 1: on today, So that is that is always good news.

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Speaker 1: Shout out and uh, not to brag or anything, but

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Speaker 1: Sophie is also my producer and also my friend. Well

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Speaker 1: then it's a competition. Well, I'm also Sophie's producer and

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Speaker 1: you're no, I got nothing okay my producers Anderson, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fair enough. Ian is our audio engineer and the theme

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Speaker 1: music was written by a woman. And today's episode is

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Speaker 1: not about Anderson. That's upsetting. She is cool people who

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Speaker 1: did cool stuff. Though, absolutely one day, one day there's

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Speaker 1: just going to be the dogs episode I just read

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Speaker 1: your next sentence, and it's perfect to do it. Do it.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is about movies, Caitlin, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of movies? No? What are they? Well, if you take

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Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, but what about seven? Sometimes that

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Speaker 1: Well today we're gonna talk about movies, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about anti fascism in movies. Even better,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about in the movies themselves having anti

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Speaker 1: excited to have you as the guest for this particular episode.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope to not disappoint oh Kalin, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: And this one, I was a little bit like, Okaitlin

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Speaker 1: but whatever, we'll see. Well, they do you have a

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Speaker 1: How did you know that? Again, I've never said it.

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Speaker 1: unmarried degree that you have a degree in not being

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Speaker 1: married or something that is something I actually, oh I

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Speaker 1: and it was a it was a joke. Yeah, I'm sorry. No,

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Speaker 1: I well, you're right though, I am unmarried and I

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Speaker 1: anti fascism in film, there's only one logical place to start. Vampires.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about vampires. Great. Wait, wait, wait, very important

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Speaker 1: and environmentally destructive production of oil, which I had no

423
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: idea people were talking about back then. Yeah, all right, yeah,

424
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: and it worked. A hundred years later, we don't have

425
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: colonial environmentally destructive practice of oil extraction, thank goodness for that. Yeah.

426
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: For some odd reason, Erwin left Germany in the nineteen thirties. Uh,

427
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: and he went around and lived a ton of different places,

428
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: including New York City, and he taught at the New School.

429
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: This is like part of how I'm tying all the

430
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: threads together of how these people influenced sucking everything he

431
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: taught at the New School, including with students including Marlon

432
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: Brando and Tennessee Williams. And then he left the US

433
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: because of anti communism. So it's basically all of these

434
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: like German directors are like, oh, funk the Nazis, and

435
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: they get to the U s and they're like, oh

436
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: fuck the Yeah. I mean, it all comes back to

437
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy ism, as I brilliantly mentioned earlier. So it's very

438
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: well done. If you have any actually, because I only

439
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: know the like, I'll touch on some of this, but

440
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: if you ever want to like talk more about McCarthy

441
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: ism and the House of an American and all that

442
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: ship is relates to Hollywood, please interrupt me. And talk

443
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: about that. I don't know that much about it, so

444
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: I would I'm a I'm a fraud actually, Okay, well,

445
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I feel really good that I set you up to

446
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: goodn't like that? Thank you? Yeah? Yeah? And so he

447
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: ends up back in West Germany. So it's like, you know,

448
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: because he's a little bit I don't know, it seems

449
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: like he was like more on the democracy side of

450
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: things than the stall inside of things. And so Shrek

451
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: he rolls with. This guy plays at his theater. He

452
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: probably bounced some more Nazis there too. I don't actually know,

453
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: but I in my head canon he also was a

454
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: bouncer at each of these places and continues to dress

455
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: like Orlock or maybe actually Overlock was the non costume

456
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: and that the rest was the costumes when he was

457
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: dressing up a little normal. Are you sure sure? Let's

458
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: go with that. And then he played at my favorite

459
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: place that he played, an anti ash's cabaret, because this

460
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: man cannot miss. He performed specifically at Erica Man's anti

461
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: fascist cabaret called the pepper Mill, which I won't try

462
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: to pronounce in German. Okay, Erica Man, I had never

463
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: heard of Eric Command and I after writing this script,

464
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: I was like, I wish I had just done Erica Man,

465
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: Like she's so fucking cool. I mean like I like

466
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: Max Trek and I like this vampire through line. Um,

467
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: just to continue to break the fourth wall of how

468
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: I write script so that you all can think for

469
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: yourself about the propaganda that I'm feeding you. So Eric

470
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: Amman theater? Right, all right? Yeah, exactly? Um. So Eric

471
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: A Man is the son of Thomas Mann, who's this

472
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: Nobel prize winning author who is pretty interesting. But life

473
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: is short, so I'm not gonna he's anti Nazi. He's

474
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: good in that way. I don't know what if about

475
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: him to claim he's a good person at all. Eric

476
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: command gay as hell. If you look at a photo

477
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: of her, you'll be like, oh, that lady's gay as hell.

478
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: And the first place she acted in was basically a

479
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: gay Polly quel. It was this play in bymar Germany

480
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: about four friends who were all in love with each other,

481
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: two men and two women. And not only was the

482
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: play about that, but that was the actors as well. Um,

483
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: the both the two women were dating, both the two

484
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: men were dating, and each woman was dating one of

485
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: the men. Okay, So a lot of throubles. Yeah, like complicated,

486
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: like building multiple throubles out of a cubical Sure, this

487
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: is why people don't have relationships with four people, because

488
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: then they dB cubicles. M M wait would that be six?

489
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: How many cube has six? Eight? A square? Yeah? But

490
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: had but four people? A cube has eight? Were act intersections? Oh? Yes?

491
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean my master's I don't know. Again, wouldn't ever

492
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: talk about it. It is in screenwriting and not geometry.

493
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I almost said geography. Yeah, fair enough. Again, I'm a scholar.

494
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm a scholar. I'm really smart. Yeah yeah, okay, so

495
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: Eric amman uh six there's okay, but there's there's eight corners?

496
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Are there not eight corners to a cube? Four? Wait?

497
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Six sides? Yeah? Yeah, I know you're right, there are

498
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: there are eight corners, six sides. So which one is

499
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: more applicable to the metaphor? Oh? I um, We're going

500
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: to have to get like a physicist in here or something.

501
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: My degrees in psychology. I'm about out. Okay, Okay, you

502
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: can just tell people why this is a bad idea

503
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: to have that kind of or maybe it's a very

504
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: good idea. Triangles the strongest shape after all, Okay, so

505
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: she has two honeymoons at the same ho hell, she

506
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: goes first with the like man she's married or whatever,

507
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: and then she goes with the woman that she's married illegally,

508
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: like on the side, and and the woman that she

509
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: marries like checks into the hotel dress as a man,

510
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: and she dates who's who of lesbian Weimar, Germany cabaret people.

511
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: And she acted in a nine film about lesbianism that's

512
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: just a documentary about lesbianism. And she was a committed

513
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and active anti fascist as well, and she kept getting

514
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: fired for her work trying to stop Nazis from recruiting people.

515
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: The rest of her family are known anti fascists, and

516
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: while they're Protestant, they have Jewish ancestry, and so most

517
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: of her family, the rest of her family is already

518
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: sucked off, and by she's the last girl standing from

519
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: her family, her whole like big anti fascist family still

520
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: in Germany. Her uncle Heinrich command was literally the first

521
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: person that the Nazis stripped of German citizenship, like the

522
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Nazis hated the man's um and then oh except actually

523
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: this kind tra dicks, because then her and her brother

524
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: started something. Maybe her brother hadn't sucked off yet. I

525
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: love reading all of these like weird translated things that

526
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: I try to find, like because everything contradicts with itself. Right,

527
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: her and her brother and her girlfriend and another friend

528
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: starting anti fascist cabaret the above mentioned pepper mill in July.

529
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: She writes most of the material. They get the name

530
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: from their dad, who's like, you know, when people are

531
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: talking about like nineties band names, they're like, I don't

532
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: even know, just like look at the nearest object and

533
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: that's the name of your band, like sewing machine, dishwasher

534
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, Um, that's how they got their fucking

535
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: name in the cabaret. Their dad was what was it,

536
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: pepper mill? The pepper Yeah, the pepper mill. Their dad

537
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: was like kind of I think basically trolling them and

538
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, just call it. I don't know any

539
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: gestures at the table and he's like, the pepper mill. Alright,

540
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: So it worked. Yeah, it gets called legendary a lot.

541
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: I've never heard of the pepper mill, but apparently as

542
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: a very big deal. Okay, everything is refers to the

543
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: legendary pepper Mill. Maybe they wrote that into that. They

544
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: didn't write it unto the name and our man Shrek,

545
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Big Green Ogre was there the Quiet Vampire, and he

546
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: performed there a whole fucking bunch, right, because he just

547
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: showed up to everything that was anti fascist and acted

548
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: and then went home to his wife and then wandered

549
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: around the dark forests and also was so he would

550
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: perform in some theaters and then be the bouncer at others.

551
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: So I'm having the hardest time. I only have one

552
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: article that references the fact that he bounced, um, and

553
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I know the author of that is someone who has

554
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: access to a lot of languages that I don't. The

555
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: author of that speaks fucking ship tunnel languages. Um. So

556
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: I was unable to find more information about his bouncing.

557
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: I found a lot more information about his acting than

558
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: his bouncing. Um, but I don't know. So in my mind,

559
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I only have one source of force. Is

560
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: not true because I've become that kind of paranoid pop historian. Actually,

561
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: that probably makes me a very bad pop historian. I

562
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: should probably just right, Okay, thanks. I appreciate that anytime

563
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: pepper Mill only only last two months, it managed to

564
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: become legendary in the two months that exists. The Nazis

565
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: shut it down for them. Yeah. Um, they get the

566
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: funk out, and they get the funk out of Germany.

567
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: And there's competing sources about exactly what happens at this point,

568
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: but it sounds like the whole thing moved, probably without Shrek,

569
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: to Zurich for a while, and she's she's like, all right,

570
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I got sunk out of here. And so she uh

571
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: finds a gay dude in England and it's like, hey,

572
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: you wanna get married, real romantic, you can do whatever

573
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you want. I can do whatever I want. And he's like, yeah, totally,

574
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll get married. And then he was like, cool, do

575
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: you have a gay friend I can set my girlfriend

576
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: up with? And he does, and so I love the

577
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: gay polly world that helped get people out of fucking

578
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. Um, and they moved to England. And at

579
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: this point I'd love to even just be like happily

580
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: ever after, but she kept sucking doing ship. Her and

581
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: her brother reported on the Spanish Civil War. She wrote

582
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of anti Nazi books. When World War

583
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: Two broke out, she was like, yeah, I got I

584
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: got fucking help. We gotta deal with these fucking Nazis.

585
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: So she worked in radio and worked for the BBC,

586
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: speaking in German, basically like doing counterpropaganda against the Nazis.

587
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: She became a war correspondent. She was like one of

588
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: the first people on the ground at like all these

589
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: like liberated German cities. And later she moved to the US,

590
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: where she was treated like ship and investigated by the

591
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: FBI because she was a lefty or whatever. And even

592
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: worse than being a lefty, she was gay m hm.

593
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: So she moved to Switzerland where she lived the rest

594
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: of her days. And I'm really glad that our gay,

595
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: anti fascist Jewish heritage lady survives the end of the war. Yeah,

596
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: and I know what you're thinking to yourself, what does

597
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: this have to do with vampires? Everything has to do

598
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: with vampires connection A great Yeah, well then for anyone

599
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: in any listeners, Yeah yeah, okay, who have ye did

600
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: the dots yet? I mean what I find interesting about it, right,

601
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't specifically have to do with the

602
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: vampire myth inherently, but like this idea. These people are

603
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: famous for their entertainment. Most of these people, Max Shrek

604
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: is certainly famous for nose Ferrato and not for anti fascism,

605
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: but this idea that like entertainment and myth and storytelling

606
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: and horror and all of that, they're not actually divorced

607
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: from life, you know. Um. And that's like, that's the

608
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: thing that gets to me really excited about this ship

609
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and making weird eyes at the camera because I'm like

610
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: over excited. Hundred years ago on this very night that

611
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: parts a lie in a German expressionist horror film called

612
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Nose Ferrato was released and it was put together by

613
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: a studio called Prana Films, and it was their first

614
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: film and it was their last film because it was

615
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: really obviously a rip off. It was obviously bram Stoker's

616
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Dracula with the serial numbers rubbed off. It was apparently

617
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: advertised basically as hey, check it out. We've got a

618
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: film that's Dracula with the serial numbers rubbed off. We

619
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: changed the names, and um, that didn't work. Uh. Bram

620
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Stoker was dead or undead at this point, but his

621
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: widow wasn't Florence Malcolm and she's like, hey, you know

622
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: what funck this fuck you? I'm suing I own Dracula.

623
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: My my husband wrote it. Paran of Films declares bankruptcy

624
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: because they couldn't afford to pay, and most of the

625
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: copies of the film were destroyed, but as an article

626
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: in The New European put it, fortunately for posterity, if

627
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: not copyright law, the film reappeared in the late nineties,

628
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: when a handful of surviving prints emerged in far flung places,

629
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: cut clumsily and with inter titles and different languages, but

630
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: enough to save one of history's great cinema of achievements

631
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: from oblivion. I assumed that they didn't know any of that,

632
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: and I assumed that, you know, they had just acquired

633
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Speaker 1: the rights to adapt and Dracula narrative. I guess not.

634
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: It's kind of a shitty move. I have like mixed

635
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: feelings about copyright in general, but like especially the fact

636
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: that they were Like I had always assumed that they

637
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: had rubbed the serial numbers off and then like tried

638
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: to downplay its connections to Dracula. But apparently the way

639
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: that the widow um Florence, the way she finds out

640
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: about it, is like an anonymous person sends her like

641
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: a a promotional flyer. That's like, come see technically not Dracula,

642
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, all right. Yeah, so it's because of this

643
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that people rescued count Overlock, I mean knows brought to

644
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: that we know Max Strek today. And there were all

645
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: of these rumors that he never existed. There are these

646
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: rumors that he was a false persona of another more

647
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: famous actor who was also super cool and anti fascist.

648
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: But life is short. Wait that Max Shrek never Yeah,

649
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: that there was no Max Shrek, And that's almost certainly

650
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: not true. He was just such a minor character. He

651
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: was like this like behind the scenes guy. He's just

652
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: this quiet guy who acts right. But then in NTE,

653
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: a surrealist writer named a donna's Krou suggested that Shrek

654
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: himself might have been a vampire who was hired to

655
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: play the vampire, which of course gets turned into another

656
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: sick movie, The Shadow of the Vampire, which came out

657
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: in the Here of Our Lord two thousand m HM,

658
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: which is worth seeing also and possibly a documentary and

659
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: and actually probably a documentary yeah, biopic, I think so. Yeah,

660
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: And I find that um surrealist don't lie. They are

661
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: known for depicting things very realistically. Yeah, as they are

662
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: sir actually means more than real in German. Yeah, very

663
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: very realism. Yeah, no lies realism, yeah. Um. Max Tract

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Speaker 1: ostensibly died of heart failure when he was fifty seven

665
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: and six. Obviously, of course, he became an anti fascist

666
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: vampire who single handedly brought down the Nazis, but that's

667
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: a story for another time. The previous night, the last

668
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: night of his regular life, he performed on stage, and

669
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Speaker 1: then he checked himself into the hospital, and then he

670
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: died the next morning, and he was buried in an

671
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: unmarked grave next to his mother. And I don't know, like,

672
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: like there's like not that much about this guy, but

673
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, just like this, like you live your life.

674
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: You're the quiet, shadowy actor. You got one big starring

675
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: role that like rewrites filmic history, and then you like

676
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: fight Nazis and hang out in the woods. Like I

677
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: feel like that's a fucking good life. That's a great life.

678
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, you think there'd be that he'd I mean,

679
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: he left a legacy, but that like more people would

680
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: know about her, that there would be more written about,

681
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: more biographies. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't know any

682
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: of this about about Shrek. The only the only thing

683
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: I know about Shrek is that he's a green ogre

684
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: with a donkey friend. And that's not the same Shrek

685
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: a heart made out of gold onions exactly. Yeah, I

686
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: really like the Shrek movies, but I don't old onion

687
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: is a Twilight thing? Wait what really in the first movie? Alright, right,

688
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: Sophie might right about this. In the first movie, where

689
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: are Bello, Swan is trying to is she's like kind

690
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: of getting to know Edward Cohen, but he's being really

691
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: um the first time, he made creepy, like she thinks

692
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: that she smells because he's he's hungry for human blood.

693
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: He just wants to eat her and he can't read

694
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: her mind. It's a whole thing. But they're they're partners,

695
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: partners because he's under as a teenager, but he's actually

696
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty something or whatever years old, and um,

697
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: that's sketchy. She says to him, how old are you?

698
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: He goes and she goes bend sober. God, we really

699
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: need to do this movie night. But they meet because

700
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: their lab partners in biology class or whatever, and they

701
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: dissect it. The teachers like, hey, learn about photosynthesis or whatever,

702
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: and so they're like looking at little it's stuff scope

703
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: and then the prize for whoever does photosynthesis. The best

704
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: I don't know is a golden onion. So it's all

705
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: it's it all comes back to our man, max Strak

706
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: maximum Terror, Maximilian Terror properly. Okay, well, uh, I know

707
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Speaker 1: what you're thinking, Caitlin. You're thinking, you're talking about the

708
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: knockoff dracket. So I have to go back to my script.

709
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: Tell my dumb joke, even it no longer flows correctly.

710
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: You're thinking, that's the knockoff Dracula. What about the real

711
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Dracula Bella Leghostie, who started as Count Dracula on Broadway

712
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: and in the Universal Pictures one Hollywood Dracula. I was thinking,

713
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean that that was exactly what I was thinking. Um,

714
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, you know what else I was

715
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: thinking about, Margaret was that we need Caitlin to give

716
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: us a good sponsor. That's true, we're out of sponsors.

717
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: We need a good idea for previous previous sponsors that

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Speaker 1: we have chosen for this show are ah Potatoes, the

719
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: concept of potatoes, clean clean top water, um, and always

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Speaker 1: cool pillow a front of the pod for it, Todd said,

721
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: a really good comb. Okay, yeah, um, how about oh gosh. I, oh, no,

722
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: so much pressure. I'm cracking um. How about a tasty

723
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: piece of um. I was gonna say a toast, but

724
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: that I don't know. That's just the first thing I

725
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: thought of. I was too busy. I was too busy

726
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: trying to make a joke about Bella logo see Bella Swan.

727
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: And then that's where my mind was. I feel I

728
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: feel like he then wants the podcast to be sponsored

729
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: by the toilet SERI. All right, I don't condone that,

730
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: but what about what about like a really good movie,

731
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Speaker 1: just the concept of a really good concept of r

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Speaker 1: R R, a concept of r R There we are there,

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Speaker 1: you go there, we are are are Okay, I'll stop. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's the ads. We are back, and we're talking about

735
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: the fact that while Caitlin was thinking Bella Swan, I

736
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: was thinking Bella Legos he is dead by the Bye

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00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Bowhouse and didn't know about Bella Swan's Bella Swans Twilight. Yes, okay, cool,

738
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I really need to do that movie night. I know

739
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: pop culture. I just know pop culture that is not

740
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: pop culture but goth culture from the nineteen eighties. It's true.

741
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: I know songs that work came up. That are from

742
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: before I was capable of coherent thought. Wonderful. Yeah, and

743
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: now you know who Bella Swan is. That's right, it

744
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: was Bella Swan, one of the Vampires's that spoiler? Well

745
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's just she um the cool questions. Yes, exactly.

746
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: It's a difficult, difficult answer the lead. Okay, she is Twilight. Well,

747
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: her precursor to the filmic interpretation of vampires, Bella leg

748
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Seem was Hungarian, much like Bella Swan. Born in nine two.

749
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Like Bella Swan, ran away from a conservative household when

750
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: he was twelve to become an actor, like Bella Swan.

751
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: But this is actually where the similarities end. Okay, yeah,

752
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: twelve things were wild in the turn of a century.

753
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: This this guy was fucking tough, like this guy rules.

754
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: He runs away from home. He wants to be an actor,

755
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: but it's not like, oh, great, you're an actors school

756
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: now and you get to be an actor. He works

757
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: at various blue collar work as a laborer while he

758
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: sorts all that out. He eventually ends up a silent

759
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: movie film actor in the nine in Hungary until World

760
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: War One, when he volunteers as a ski fighter, and

761
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: he like works his way up in the ranks as

762
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: a ski fighter. He's not fighting skis, he's on skis.

763
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: What that is a thing? Yeah, yeah, No, totally soldiers

764
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: on skis because there's snow, you're in the mountains. Sure. Yeah.

765
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: He gets wounded in action several times, and at one

766
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: point he was trapped on this probably yeah. And then

767
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: a very common accident happened to him that has happened

768
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: to everyone when they're at the ski slopes, which was

769
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: that he was trapped under a mound of corpses and

770
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: uh and for some odd, unknowable reason, he got what

771
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: was called shell shock back then but we now call PTSD,

772
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: possibly related to being buried under a pile of corpses.

773
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: Could be World War One doesn't last forever comes around

774
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: and him and a bunch of his buddies, an awful

775
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of his buddies, like the whole working us of

776
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: Hungary kinda. They decided to overthrow capitalism. So he comes

777
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: and he overthrows capitalism. They win for a moment. A

778
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three days you have the Hungarian Soviet

779
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: And this is so it's like kind of before before

780
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: the promise of the Soviet Union did not live up

781
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: to its promise. I will put it that way. That's

782
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: my most diplomatic attempt to phrase that. Um. And so

783
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: for a hundred and thirty three days they had the

784
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Hungarian Soviet and Belle Legocie fought in that. He was

785
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: because he was a proud union man. He was a

786
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: member of a locksmith union and a laborer union, and

787
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: later he helped form an actor's union. And he specifically

788
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: who was like against all of the weird hierarchy and

789
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: ship within the acting move seen in Hungary. And and

790
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: he has this quote. The former ruling class kept the

791
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: community of actors and ignorance by means of various lies,

792
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: corrupted it morally and materially, and finally scorned and despised

793
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: it for what resulted from its own vices. The actor,

794
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 1: subsisting on starvation wages and demoralized, was often driven, driven,

795
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: albeit reluctantly, to place himself at the disposal of the

796
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: ruling class. Martyrdom was the price of enthusiasm for acting.

797
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: So if you want to be an actor, you've got

798
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: to like get treated like shit. And I think that

799
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: this is not something that happens now. I don't think

800
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: that people go and get treated like ship by the

801
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: industry just because they love acting, Right, that's changed. Actors

802
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: are famously treated um so well, especially the ones who

803
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: are still obsensively working class. Um yeah, no, they're they're

804
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: they're gods among humans. Yeah, that's they're treating that way. Yeah, No,

805
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah, the industry doesn't chew you up and

806
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: spit you out. No, why would it do that. That

807
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it would work against his own interests. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

808
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: dry humor with Margaret and Kaitlin. Uh. So that the

809
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: Soviet falls and a wave of reactionary terror murders a

810
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: ton of people, and so he got the funk out

811
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: and he goes to Germany, and that's not far enough away.

812
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: He needs to get further the funk away. So he

813
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: starts working on like a steamboat, and he likes steamboats

814
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: over to the US, and he like sneaks into the

815
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: country illegally because the Hungarian government still after him, so

816
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: illegally immigrates to the U S. Which is cool. I

817
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: just want to point that out for anyone who's listening.

818
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: You might think that I have negative feelings about this

819
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: I'm listing this as one of the things he did

820
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: that is cool, that's badass. Later he goes back and

821
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: does it the proper way, and he actually gets using

822
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot of like propaganda for like don't illegally immigrate.

823
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: If you do, go turn yourself in and you'll get

824
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: treated well and you'll become a star like Bella Lego

825
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: se But he gets the US and he helps found

826
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: the Screen Actors Guild because union's fucking rule. And in

827
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen kidding yeah, And in the nineteen thirties he

828
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Speaker 1: helps start start another project, the Hungarian American Council for Democracy,

829
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: which wanted quote Nazism to be wiped out everywhere. There's

830
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: a very understandable position. In the nineteen forties, he leveraged

831
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: all of this fame to help fight for the US

832
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: to accept Hungarian jew Jewish refugees. And and the final

833
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: cool thing he did from my point of view, is

834
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Speaker 1: that when he was buried, he got buried in his

835
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: like Dracula cape nice. I actually think is there a

836
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: reference to that in the movie ed Wood? I think

837
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Speaker 1: I there might be, and that might be how I

838
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: know about that, I believe you, and I think I

839
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: even saw that movie. But I saw that movie before

840
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: I understood anything about anything. Got it? Um, It's one

841
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: of my favorite biopics. Although I can you know a

842
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of the people involved in that project, such as

843
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp and Tim Burton, um, you know, suck ass

844
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: as people. Um. But Bella Laghosi played by oh my

845
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: gosh who plays him is a Martin Landau uh is

846
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: a great character in the movie. And um, so shout

847
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: out to that performance. Yea, Now I want to rewatch

848
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: that although as pointed out, sometimes I struggle to enjoy

849
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: things when I know just exactly how terrible some of

850
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: the people involved are. You are correct on the casting

851
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: for that movie, Martin Letty. Do I know movies or

852
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: do I know movies? So we've established that all the

853
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: old draculas are on our side, sorry old vampires. Some

854
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: times people prefer to the most draculus because it's funny.

855
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: But do you know who else is on our side? Kitlin?

856
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Tell me it's not the goods and services that support

857
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: this show. Instead. It's one of the most influential styles

858
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: of cinema, German expressionism that we talked about a little

859
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: bit earlier. German expressionism is on our side. German expressionism

860
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen tents Germany was like fucked his hell,

861
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: they just lost World War One. There's like runaway inflation,

862
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: totally unfamiliar to today's listeners. And people were like, well,

863
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: I guess aus saving money doesn't do any good because

864
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: it's worth less every single day. So I'm gonna go

865
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: to the movie ease, which is kind of a funny

866
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: response to that, but like, fuck it, I don't know,

867
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: hedonism look different than I guess, you know. And so

868
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: they everyone went out to the movies and they made

869
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: really fucking weird movies, and they they were intentionally low

870
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: budget movies, although I think, I mean, you know, they

871
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: also didn't have any money, right, and so they would

872
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: use intentionally fake looking sets, and they would make movies

873
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: that talk about like losing your mind and is basically

874
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: a response to the realism and film that everyone else

875
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: was doing about these like grand traditionally structured adventure films

876
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Mm hmm. As one film critic put it,

877
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: it was the visual manifestation of the romantic ideals, with

878
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: not like romances and people dating, but like romantic as

879
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: like the romantic poets and ship rum this is at

880
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: odds with the Nazi worldview, and and this stuff aesthetically

881
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: is what creates both film noir and the first Hollywood

882
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: horror movies ten years later, and it also found its

883
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: way into crime film and a bunch of other things.

884
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: This idea, it happen both because all the filmmakers had

885
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: to flee the Nazis. The reason that it influenced everything

886
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: is that all the filmmakers had to flee the Nazis

887
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: and moved to Hollywood, and a bunch of them actually

888
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: while they were there, like donated all their money to

889
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: the war effort and ship. But film was also influenced

890
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: by them because Hitchcock went to Berlin in and made

891
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a film and he was like, oh, this rules. I'm

892
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: really into what people are doing here, which is to

893
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: say that anti fascists invented the horror genre. Which again

894
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: I like making these grands, sweeping narrative statements because I'm

895
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: a fiction writer, but I'm not for it. I don't

896
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: disbelieve what I'm saying, to be clear, And the expressionists,

897
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: they were really fucking clear in their anti fascist sentiment.

898
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: In the nineteen twenties and thirties, Germany wasn't a subtle

899
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: time for subtle political lity allegiances. The filmmakers who made

900
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: the Cabinet Dr. Caligary said they used they used like

901
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: shocking contrasting lights, you know, and all of this like

902
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: really intense visual stuff, and it was a reference to

903
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: their experiences as infantry in World War One with nighttime artillery.

904
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Bo mean, And they all came home from that committed

905
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: anti militarists and pacifists and anti fascists, um, and they

906
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 1: were like, it wasn't just we hate the Nazis because

907
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: they're taking over our country. They all hated Musolini and ship.

908
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you about one of those actors,

909
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: Conrad Viight. Have you heard of Conrad Viight? I haven't.

910
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: He wasn't openly bisexual actor married to a Jewish woman,

911
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: And when the Nazis made everyone in the film industry

912
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: fill out a form to say what race they were,

913
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: he just wrote in I'm a Jew, which he knew

914
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: what the funk he was doing when he did that,

915
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: and he was like, it was like, I'm in solidarity

916
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: with my wife. If she's a Jew, then I'm a Jew.

917
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Fuck you. And they both survived that particular move, which

918
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: is good. They got out to England, whereupon Vite donated

919
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: his entire life savings to the English War Effort because

920
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: he was like, oh my god, please go kill all

921
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: the Nazis um. And then he moved to the U S.

922
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: And he moved to the U S specifically because he

923
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to use my like star power, etcetera,

924
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: to go to Hollywood and try to influence the U

925
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: S to joined the war because if the US doesn't

926
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: join the war, world fucked. And he wounded up playing

927
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: a villain in Casablanca. It's the role he's most famous for,

928
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: and he played Nazis. He knew. He was like, I'm

929
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: going to go to the US and I'm just like

930
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: German speaking person in late nineteen thirties or whatever, I'm

931
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: going to be playing Nazis when I get there. But

932
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: he rode into his contract that he would only play

933
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Nazis if they were the villains good. And then he

934
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: kept sending all of his money back to like he

935
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: would do things like by thousands of packets of chocolate

936
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: for British kids who were stuck in bomb shelters on

937
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: Christmas and ship and he used his fortune to smuggle

938
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: his Jewish in laws out to out of Austria, and

939
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: he used his influence. He at a bunch of X

940
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: wives because I don't know, people used to mary when

941
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: they should have just stated just I mean living a

942
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: bachelor lifestyle, but not because they were getting married. Yeah. Look,

943
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: everyone's a slut and I love that for them. Yeah, yeah, exact.

944
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: And he stayed friends with his exes, which I feel

945
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: like it's like a good judge of a man when um,

946
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: when he's dating women is if he stays friends with

947
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: his sexes. And even more in stayed friends with his exes.

948
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: He smuggled his fucking exes out of and his like

949
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: kid with one of them out of Germany. I really

950
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: like I was gonna say, I was gonna say, it's

951
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: a green flag. Unless his only friends are his exes,

952
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: it becomes a red flag. You're welcome, fair enough. Fair

953
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: enough makes you think as someone who unfortunately dates men,

954
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: it happens to the best of us. Yeah, including Conrad White,

955
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: who also dated mentally slept with him. I don't think

956
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:50,959
Speaker 1: he married anyone, YEA. The most famous of these expressionists

957
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: today is probably Fritz Lang, called the Master of Darkness

958
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: by some like Film Institute or something. I think they

959
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: even wrote it down in the way where they said, like,

960
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: please say it like that. He directed Metropolis. That's what

961
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: I know him for. You did a bunch of other ship.

962
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: But when I was like a little edge lord, fucking

963
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: art school kid, I really liked Metropolis. And what inspired

964
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: him was the human instinct to revolt against totalitarianism, whether

965
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: that totalitarian ism was Fascist or Bolshevik. His first day

966
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: of work as a director, January, he takes a taxi

967
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: to work and something else happens that day. There was

968
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: a big fucking uprising in Germany. Because Germany and nine

969
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: nineteen was a really interesting time. Basically, the Communists tried

970
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: to overthrow the Social Democratic Party and the Sparta sist

971
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: uprising and it didn't work. And fris Lang didn't take

972
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: a side in it, but he watched it and he

973
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: was like, he says, his quote is it was that day,

974
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: the first day I was to direct that I understood

975
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: the pawn revolts. I did not become a director that day,

976
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: but I did become an artist because of that experience.

977
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: And Fritz Lang fucking interesting. He was a Catholic atheist,

978
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: with Jewish heritage, and like the rest of his generation,

979
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: he fought in World War One. He lost his right eye.

980
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: He was wounded four times during World War One, and

981
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: he's committed anti fascist. Um. He also hates the Bolsheviks,

982
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: he says everyone when he's talking about why he made Metropolis,

983
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm afraid of sutalitarianism. His quote is

984
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: everyone was talking about the future, and I was afraid

985
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: of their vision. So I made mine that reflected that fear.

986
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: And as he said of the Bolsheviks in particular, they're

987
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: just another uniform. I hate all uniforms. And and this

988
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: is the first dystopia rights Metropolis. Um. Again, it's funny

989
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: because when I'm like, oh, the first, this the first

990
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of like, I don't know that we

991
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: know of, right, you know, sure, like there might have

992
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: been these film scenes and like countries that didn't have

993
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: end up in America. You know, I don't know. Yeah. Um.

994
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: His wife he had worse choice. And wife via von Harbow,

995
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: who wrote Metropolis, she uh, she probably saw it as

996
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: propaganda a different sort. She became a Nazi. So Metropolis

997
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: was made by a couple that was an anti fascist

998
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: and a fascist. Huh uh, Fritz Langdon that's why you

999
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: always talk about politics before you marry someone, Like, so,

1000
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: what do you think, do you think like master race?

1001
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: Like yes, no, you know, important conversation to have. Yeah,

1002
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: So first Lane divorced her, which makes a lot of sense.

1003
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: It's possibly over politics if you read things from his

1004
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: point of view, it's like divorced over politics because she

1005
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: was a fucking Nazi. And if you read things that

1006
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: are like intended as neutral or more from her point

1007
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: of view, are like they were both boning other people

1008
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: and he was a hypocrite because he couldn't stand it

1009
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: because she put up with him bony and other people,

1010
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: but he couldn't put it, put up with it when

1011
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: she was boning other people. And I don't know, I

1012
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: think it was the Nazi thing based on everything. Also

1013
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: I was reading I'd imagined. So they were married, I'm

1014
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: seeing for eleven years. Yeah, yeah, throughout the whole twenties,

1015
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, twenty two to thirty three. So she

1016
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: becomes a Nazi. And it's kind of weird and nonsensical

1017
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: that she becomes a Nazi based on her other politics.

1018
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: She was a pro abortion activist, although of course, the

1019
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: Nazis legalized some abortion because they believed in eugenics, because

1020
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: they were fucking Nazis. But um, and she had to

1021
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: secretly marry her next husband because he wasn't white. He

1022
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: was a dark skinned Indian man. And she later claimed

1023
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: that she joined the Nazis to help Indian immigrants who

1024
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: are living in Germany. But she made a fun ton

1025
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: of Nazi propaganda films and she was she was a

1026
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: fucking Nazi. Mm hmm. Fritz Lange, the Nazis canceled one

1027
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: of his films as being dangerous, right, But then the

1028
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: propaganda guy, Joseph Goeboldt's calls Lange to his office and

1029
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: Fritz is like, oh funk, I'm fucked, Like fucking Goebbels

1030
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: has just canceled my film. And now I'm like walking

1031
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: up to this office and just like men with guns

1032
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: everywhere and ship right and liking. So Chris Lang walks

1033
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: in and Goebbels is like, hey, uh we we had

1034
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: to cancel your film. I'm sorry about that. You know

1035
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: it's subversive and bad or whatever, but you're really good

1036
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: at filmmaking. What if you become the in charge of

1037
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: the Nazi film studio. You could be like the person

1038
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: who creates nationalist socialist film, like, don't you want that job?

1039
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? And Chris lang and and and Goebbels

1040
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: is like, and it's totally okay the fact that we

1041
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: know you're Jewish because even though his mom was a

1042
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: practicing Catholic, she had been like born Jewish or whatever.

1043
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: And so he's surrounded by armed Nazis and he does

1044
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: what probably anyone would do in the exactly this position,

1045
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: which is he's like, oh, totally, I would absolutely love

1046
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: that job. And then he gets the funk out of Germany.

1047
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: He just like goes home, being like, yeah, see you later.

1048
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm totally your guy going to be in charge of

1049
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: Ill be there on Monday. Uh. He goes home, He

1050
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Speaker 1: packs up all of his stuff, including a bunch of

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Speaker 1: all of the Prince of films that he can to

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Speaker 1: gets the funk out of Germany. He claims that he

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Speaker 1: never went back, um, but he actually went back a

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Speaker 1: couple of times, I think to go get more ship

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Speaker 1: a couple of times over the next couple of months

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Speaker 1: before he is gone for good. And he grabbed a

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Speaker 1: copy of Metropolis and it's probably for the best he did,

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Speaker 1: although who knows, maybe the Nazis would have fucking love Metropolis.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure someone knows the answer is someone knows

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Speaker 1: whether or not the Nazis love Metropolis? Is that the

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Speaker 1: one I want to say i've seen it? Is it

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Speaker 1: three hours long? Is that the one that's like? Really?

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Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who loves R R R,

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Speaker 1: which is also three hours long. But I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't be watching Metropolis. It's too long. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even correct about that. It's only an hour

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Speaker 1: fifty four, So never mind. It's it's been I used

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Speaker 1: to be obsessed with this film, but I barely remember it.

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Speaker 1: Um but I barely remember anything us. It's a dystopian

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Speaker 1: thing about like there's like um workers and they're all

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Speaker 1: basically machines and they get like marched off and put

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Speaker 1: into the underground, and there's like a big I have

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Speaker 1: seen it, brag. I just thought it just seemed maybe

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Speaker 1: just seems like three hours. Yeah, that that is fair.

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Speaker 1: There's also been a million different cuts of it. They

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Speaker 1: like keep rereleasing it with different cuts. Okay, maybe I

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01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: saw the three Maybe I saw the R R R

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Speaker 1: cut of probably they just enter stitched are r r

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Speaker 1: into it in order to make people actually pay attention exactly. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: I it's funny because I loved all these German expressions

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Speaker 1: horror films, and then like my attention spans stopped being

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Speaker 1: capable of watching them for a very long time, and like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could be in like the right

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Speaker 1: mood to go and watch these things, but it's not

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Speaker 1: what I'm like. It's not currently what I use film for.

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Speaker 1: I use film too mostly turn off my fucking brain

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Speaker 1: at the end of work, you know. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's wrong as much as I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's cool that all these people rejected all that, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's also cool when you just embrace it

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Speaker 1: into entertainment. You just gotta put on Shrek two. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and escape into you know, far far away shadow of

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01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: the Ogre. Fritz Lang in the interview, so he talks

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Speaker 1: about how he like always puts all his violence off

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01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: screen because he's there's no point putting it on screen.

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Speaker 1: The viewer's imagination can do that. He made an exception.

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Speaker 1: It was very was very proud of this exception and

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Speaker 1: his film Cloak and dagger, there's a fight. To quote

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Speaker 1: Fritz Lang, I am let me call myself a liberal,

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Speaker 1: which is not very correct, but let me call myself that,

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Speaker 1: and I hate fascists, and this was the fight of

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Speaker 1: a decent man against a fascist. So seemingly my hatred

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Speaker 1: got the better of me. So like the only violence

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Speaker 1: he puts in his like long, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there might be other moments, but like the only fucking

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Speaker 1: violence he uses as someone stabbing a Nazi. Nice, he

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Speaker 1: gets the US. He makes a film by how fucked

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Speaker 1: up lynching in America is, because he's not trying to

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Speaker 1: just be like only the Nazis are bad. He teams

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Speaker 1: up with Bract he makes an anti fascist film called

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Speaker 1: Hangman Also Die, which is a fucking cool name for

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Speaker 1: a film. He stayed consistent, and so he's credited with

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Speaker 1: the first dystopia, that blueprint for the serial killer movie,

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Speaker 1: the entertainment war flick and film noir. All fucking Fritz Lang,

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Speaker 1: anti fascists gets shipped done. That is my theory. And

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just the Germans getting shipped done against fascism

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Speaker 1: and film. When we come back on Wednesday, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the Hollywood Anti Nazi League, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: why the Warner Brothers were cooler than you realize, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about well Disney but not as a cool guy. No.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well Disney, wait was anti Semite? I

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: was like, wait, this racist Robert Evan's gonna pop up?

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Speaker 1: What's happening, Caitlin, do you have anything that you would

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Speaker 1: like to plug? Sure? You can follow me on social

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Speaker 1: media on Twitter and Instagram at Caitlin Dronte because the

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Speaker 1: more followers I have, the more validated I feel as

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Speaker 1: a human being, and that a sad fact. Um. You

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Speaker 1: can follow and listen to my podcast, The Bechtel Cast,

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01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: which is all about movies and examining movies through an

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Speaker 1: intersectional feminist lens. Margaret has been a guest on the

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Speaker 1: episode on We Are the Best, very fun movie about

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Speaker 1: tween punk kids making a band in nineteen eighties Sweden. Right. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then also you can check out the movie r

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Speaker 1: R r UM. It's uh streaming in a few different

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Speaker 1: places and depending on the city you live in, it

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Speaker 1: might still be in theaters. I saw it last night

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California. Ever heard of it? Um? I

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Speaker 1: hope this age as well. I mean like a school

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Speaker 1: c R r R, although it has been being has

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Speaker 1: been criticized for being like, um, you know, Indian nationalist

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Speaker 1: propaganda at a time where the politics in India are

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Speaker 1: a little scary. UM. So I understand. I know about

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Speaker 1: the criticism of the movie, and yet it's the coolest

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Speaker 1: movie ever made. So um check out. And that's I'm

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Speaker 1: going to stop talking now, Okay, And uh, Margaret, you

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Speaker 1: have a book that's out that people can order. Do

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Speaker 1: I'm even on book tour right now. If you look

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Speaker 1: at my Instagram at Margaret Killjoy, there will be some

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Speaker 1: of the tour dates posted, and then I'll get around

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Speaker 1: to posting the rest of the tour dates when I

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Speaker 1: get my ship together. But i have very little free

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Speaker 1: brain space because I'm on tour right now for a

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Speaker 1: book called We Won't Be Here Tomorrow, which is a

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Speaker 1: collection of short fiction available from a K Press anywhere

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: you buy books. If you like um people killing CEOs

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Speaker 1: with drones, or you like mermaids who eat men, or

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01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: you like um people dressing up as orcs and then

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Speaker 1: fighting Nazis in the woods with swords, or if you

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Speaker 1: like arsonists who fall in Love with Ghosts. Then you

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Speaker 1: might like this book. You might hate it, but you

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Speaker 1: might like it. So check out check out at mar

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Speaker 1: Great kill Joy on Instagram. From our infro on that Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we will see you all on Wednesday by Cool

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