1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a loving father of four 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: seemingly ambushed on his way home one evening on an 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: isolated road. Why did that happen? Why does his little 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: girl still say boom boom, Daddy's on the ground. The 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: other stunning tragedy is that his little girl, age two, 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: was actually stripped in the car seat in the back 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: of the suv when daddy was murdered. But in the 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: last days a stunning twist in the case. I Nancy Grace, 9 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 10 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM one eleven. First 11 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this. Who killed Jerry 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: Bride again? Questions have been raised in the media over 13 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: whether his ex wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez, was somehow involved. 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: They had a contentious divorce and custody battle, but did 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: reach a settlement before his death. Police have not named 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: anyone as a suspect. Do you think that Jared's ex 17 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: wife has something to do with this? I'm not comfortable 18 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: saying yes definitely unless there's evidence to back that up. 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: But I believe her actions since his murder have been 20 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: very suspicious and they don't sit well with me you 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: we're hearing our friends at Inside Edition along with victim 22 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: to thirty three years old, a devout Mormon trying the 23 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: best he can to raise his children along with his 24 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: knee bride. Why would anyone want to gun him down 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: on a remote one way road with his little daughter 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: Becksley in the backseat. In the last hours, As I 27 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: mentioned to you, focus has been now pinpointed on his 28 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: ex wife, who of course declares her innocence, as does 29 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: her lawyer. With me an all star panel to make 30 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now, but two special 31 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: guests joining us Jared's wife, his now widow, Kirsten Brightigan. 32 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, and you can find 33 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: her at Justice for Jared B. Kristen, it must seem 34 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: surreal to even hear the word widow attached to your name. 35 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: It is you know, I just took my daughter to 36 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: her annual exam and on the farms you have to 37 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: check that box and that that was very difficult to do. Guys, 38 00:02:53,880 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Kirsten is raising two little children and I don't know 39 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: how you do it every day. Also, Jared has two 40 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: older children from his first marriage, and that is the X. 41 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: Somehow focus is now attached to with me, Rebecca Rosenberg, 42 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Fox News Digital crime reporter, author of At Any Cost, 43 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: and you can find her at Rebecca fey Rosenberg dot com. Rebecca, 44 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: it's so wonderful to have you with us, because I 45 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: tell you, I am stunned at what we are learning now. 46 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our cut from 47 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. The Florida ex wife of murdered 48 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: Microsoft manager Jared Bridigan denied having an affair that ended 49 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: their marriage, but her former personal trainer, who says he 50 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: was her one time lover, contradicted her claim in an 51 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: interview with Fox News Digital. As a Christmas gift in 52 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: late twenty fourteen, Bridigen bought his then wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez, 53 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: a package of training sessions, but the fitness instruct you 54 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: said their relationship turned romantic just weeks later. Okay, her 55 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: weightlifting lover now says they were an item before the divorce, 56 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: before that divorce was final. Now you know what to you, 57 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg, having an affair does not a murder make 58 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: and if that's your only evidence, you're up the creek 59 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: without a paddle. But what makes this really concerning is 60 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: the lying about it. When you are in the middle 61 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: of a homicide investigation, that is the time not to lie, 62 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: because that makes it seem so much more nefarious. Rebecca, 63 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: listen again to our forensic crime online. The former personal trainer, 64 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: said Shannah Gardner for Nandez, whose family owns the multimillion 65 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: dollar papercraft company called Stamping Up, told him that she 66 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and brit Again were separated for months when their sessions 67 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: allegedly took an unprofessional turn. The instructor, who asked that 68 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: his name be with hel to protect his privacy, said quote, 69 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: they weren't really speaking. They were living in opposite ends 70 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: of the house. She said she had grown up Marmon 71 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: and didn't want that anymore. Bride Again, on the other hand, 72 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: remained a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ 73 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: of Latter day Saints. Rebecca Rosenbarre, there's so much happening 74 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: right now on the Bride Again investigation. I want to 75 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: start with the affair again. You know, half the people 76 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: on the jury, if there ever is a jury, will 77 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: have had an affair at some point in their life, 78 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: whether they cheated on a boyfriend or a girlfriend, a 79 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: husband and X, or they may have been a victim 80 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: of their loved one having an affair. That again does 81 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: not a murder make, but lying about it, if in 82 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: fact she did lie about it in a homicide investigation 83 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: regarding the father of her two children, that's a big deal. Yes, Nancy, 84 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: I think that really is the point. I mean, again, 85 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: this is this is seven years ago that this allegedly happened. 86 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: And like you said, people have affairs all the time. Well, Rebecca, 87 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: I certainly hope not all the time. And in fact, 88 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to call my husband and the break and 89 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: make sure he's at work where he's supposed to be alone. Okay, 90 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: go ahead, But I do think that if you and 91 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: I in the article, I included a quote from a 92 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: long time Manhattan homicide prosecutor who said, that is really 93 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: really troubling, especially when she's represented by a criminal defense attorney, 94 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: to give a public interview and make a statement that 95 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: you know that is allegedly not true. It could be 96 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: so easily proven as false because there's another party there 97 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: who says that this, you know, that's happened. So I 98 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: think that's kind of you know, it's just it just 99 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: is not a good look to Kirsten Bright again. This 100 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: is Jared's wife, his current wife. He had an EXI 101 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about right now, that reportedly cheated, 102 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: had a sex affair with a personal trainer. I don't 103 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: give a flying fig if she had an affair, but 104 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: lying about it, if in fact she did lie about 105 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: it when you were in the middle of a homicide investigation, 106 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: that changes everything in my mind, Kristen, Did he know 107 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: she cheated during the marriage, if in fact she did, Yes, 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: Jared had always told me when I had asked him 109 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: about the divorce, that he had found emails and screenshots 110 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: of sexually explicit messages and photos between the two of them, 111 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: and he had told me that he confronted her about it, 112 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and that's when things unraveled. It was not before they 113 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: were not separated before, according to Jared. According to Jared, 114 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: it happened after he found those and that's what initiated 115 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: Shanna filing for divorce in February with me, you know, Kirsen, Rebecca, 116 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: don't move, but I've got to go to a shrink. 117 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, renowned psychoanalysts joining us out 118 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Never like a business there, Doctor Bethany 119 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com and star of a new Netflix show, 120 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Bling Empire. Doctor Bethany, I really don't know a nice 121 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: way to put this. Why are people so stupid? First 122 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: of all, you have an affair, but then you exchange 123 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: text messages and send explicit photos from your phone that 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: your spouse can just look at. I mean, doctor Bethany, 125 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: every time I turn around, my children are like two monkeys. 126 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: They're constantly They even either have my iPad or my 127 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: phone or am I whatever in their hand. They know 128 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: all the codes and they're like all over it. I 129 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: couldn't keep a secret from them if they had to. 130 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: But to number one, have the affair, because you're gonna 131 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: get caught. But number two make it so easy and 132 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: so hurtful for the spouse to find out. That's the 133 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: last thing I want to do is look at my 134 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: husband's fine and say, some other woman's breasts on there 135 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: are really any breasts on there, but especially some other 136 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: woman's breasts. Absolutely, it shows lack of empathy, lack of 137 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: conform who whoa, whoa whoa? Slow down? Okay, lack of 138 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: empathy right there, You're so right. I mean, I don't 139 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: ever want to hurt David, my husband, And the last 140 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: thing I would do is leave something out for him 141 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: to find that I know would hurt him. But you know, Nancy, 142 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: people who have affairs do ultimately leave something out so 143 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: that they are found out. It happens all the time. 144 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Here's an interesting thing about affairs. When a person has 145 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: an affair, it's not because they love the object of 146 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: the affair or they want to be with that person. 147 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: They like how that person makes them feel. They're creating 148 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: an experience with that person. Oh, dear Lord and him. 149 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: And when you start with the experience, it's sex. Okay, 150 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean really, Doctor Bethany, I know you're the expert, 151 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: but let me just jump in. Could somebody do something 152 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to surprise me, Like, the man has a midlife crisis, 153 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: no offense, Joe Scott Morgan. The man has a midlife 154 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: crisis and he runs out with the secretary or in 155 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: a case I covered where the mom was ultimately murdered 156 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: with the clerk at G and C. You know, Jackie. 157 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: They start the exercising and the tanning and the new 158 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: haircut and the sports car, and they start taking vitamins. 159 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: I know it's clich shaped. But don't look at me 160 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: like that, Jackie. It happens, and he actually starts the 161 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: affair with the checkout lady at the G and C. 162 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: And here the wife. If it's true, She says it's not, 163 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: but the trainer says it is. She starts personal training 164 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: and then starts an affair with the trainer. I mean, 165 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: surprise me just once I'm through with my tirade, Bethany, Okay, 166 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: there are no surprises. It was a sex affair. She 167 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: was becoming a new person with him. She was getting tattoo, 168 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: she was working out, she was bulking up. Do you 169 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: see the pictures of her. I mean, she went on 170 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: a journey to become a new person, a highly sexualized, 171 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: eroticized person. And who is she going to do it 172 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: with the personal trainer? You know that the idea that 173 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: she wanted to experience herself is something different does seem 174 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: to link back to the fact that she grew up 175 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: in a very religious Mormon family. Oh, I was just 176 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: waiting for you to blame the Mormons. Okay, here's the 177 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: other thing, though. Listen to Kirsten Branegan. She's in the 178 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: middle of trying to solve this horrific tragedy. This torn 179 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: her family apart, and now the affair the ex wife 180 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: had with the trainer has become an issue Time Stories 181 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Christian Bright again again. I don't care 182 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: who sleeps with who, doesn't matter unless it touches on 183 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: a homicide investigation. And to lie you said, now what 184 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: seven years later, still lying about it while we are 185 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: trying to solve a murderer? Are you surprised? I'm not. 186 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: From my experience, things are never what they seem with Shanna. 187 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: So if what Jared told me is true, if what 188 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: the trainer has now said is true, I am not 189 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: surprised that she denies it. Let's talk about what the 190 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: trainer is now saying. Rebecca rosenburr Um Fox and He's 191 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: digital crime reporter author has been on this case from 192 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: the beginning. What is the trainer actually saying. We are 193 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: not staying the trainer's name because he does not want 194 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: his name out there. We've already got one dead body. 195 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: What is he saying exactly, Rebecca, He just said that 196 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: when he met that her husband had purchased he had 197 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: been husband had purchased these sessions. They started in an affair, 198 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: but he thought that they had been separated for a 199 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: very long time beforehand, and so he didn't realize she 200 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: was still in a relationship with him. But family members 201 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sure Kristen can Land on this Um told 202 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: Fox that that simply wasn't true. They only separated right 203 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: before the divorce in February twenty fifteen. So Um, and 204 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: he said that he actually, you know, at a certain point, 205 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I told her she's got to 206 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of go do her own thing now because she 207 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: just has too much going on with this split, and 208 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't really good for them to pursue that relationship 209 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: at that time. Okay, who said, what can you say 210 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: that again? And he's Chiner ex wife and Jared, will 211 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: you tell me that one more time? Yea. So the 212 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: trainer said that they dated for a few months, but 213 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: at a certain point he told her that, you know, 214 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: they had to take a break because she was so 215 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: distracted by this acrimonious split from Jared Brittigan now dating 216 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: and my mind, Rebecca Rosenberg means you go out for 217 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: dinner in a movie. Were they having sex during the 218 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: merits before the divorce? According to the trainer, yes, they 219 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: she also started teaching classes. He said. After he trained her, 220 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: she started teaching classes at the same where he worked out, 221 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: and they remained friendly even after they broke up. Jesscot 222 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: Morgan joining me, professor forensic Jacksonville State University, author of 223 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of an 224 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: incredible news series, Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart 225 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott again. I can't say it enough. I couldn't 226 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: care less who's sleeping with who, not my concern. My 227 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: concern is how it touches on a murder investigation. Jared 228 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: Brynigan was ruthlessly murdered. For any listener or viewer that 229 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: forgot the circumstances, please give me a nutshell. Joe Scott 230 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: as to what happened to Jared just thirty three years old, 231 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: four children to raise the night he left his ex 232 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: wife's home, dropping the two older children off. When I 233 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: say older, they're not that old. Bexley two at the 234 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: time and London just six months at the time. Their 235 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: dad is murdered. He's Joe Scott leaving the two older 236 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: children aged either twins at the excess, and driving. I 237 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: guess about a twenty minute drive home to Kristen who 238 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: is with us today and the two babies. And there's 239 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: a one way road you take it from there, Joe 240 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Scott one way road, and you know, very very narrow, 241 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's a familiar area he runs. He runs 242 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: this route, you know, relatively often because you know he's 243 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: he has to interact with the X with his children. 244 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: And he is going down this road, tree Line Street, 245 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: and he comes across debris in the roadway, which was 246 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: actually at tire. I think, what's still a rom attached 247 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: to I remember seeing an I mentioned this, yes, and 248 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do? You know, you 249 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: can't drive over this thing. You're gonna have to get 250 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: out of the vehicle and remove it from the roadway, 251 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: because first off, you'll tear up your car. And he 252 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: sounds like a really decent guy. He's probably kind of 253 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: guy that wouldn't want anybody else to hit this thing. 254 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: As he's out of the car, he's gunned down right 255 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: there with the baby in the back seat. Gunned down, 256 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: not robbed, not sex assaulted, not carjact. The person was 257 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: lying in wait for him to come by the tire 258 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of the road to make him get 259 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: out because you couldn't get around it on the one 260 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: way road. This is an ambush murder. Kathleen Murphy joining 261 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: me high profile family lawyer out of North Carolina at 262 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: NC Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen Murphy. When a murder 263 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: case rears his ugly head, and that's the time when 264 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: you start telling the truth about your background, about everything 265 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: to do with you as it relates to the murder victim. Again, 266 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: could somebody have an affair that surprises me? Not the secretary, 267 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: the assistant, the cashier at the vitamin supplement store, the 268 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: personal trainer. It doesn't make a murder, but I mean 269 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. It certainly doesn't help that she lied about it. 270 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: It doesn't help that she lied about it, and it 271 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: makes me believe that she's also lied to the courts 272 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: in the civil section too, because in the civil trial 273 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: where they had their custody matters, she put a lot 274 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of information in pleading on a regular basis, and like 275 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: Kristen had reported earlier, on one hand, she would agree 276 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: to something and they would end up in court because 277 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: she's not a person of her word. And Nancy, I 278 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: also have to add to what Joe Scott Morgan said, 279 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: this particular area, it was an ambush because to the 280 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: right of the tire is a sign that's right in 281 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: the road, and to the left of the tire trees. 282 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: You absolutely cannot go past it without getting out of 283 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: your carm. So with respect to an affair, it is 284 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: an indication of character. It is an indication if she's 285 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: lying to the police and she's lying about other things. 286 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: Another major development and Kristen Bridigan, this is Jared's wife 287 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: joining us, the mother of his two children, trying to 288 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: put her life back together and solve the murder of 289 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: her husband. Take a listen to our cut forty nine, 290 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: Katie Jeffrey's first Coast news in the national media. Though 291 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: there has been much speculation about Bridigan's acrimonious divorce from 292 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: his first wife, Shana Gardner Fernandez, one story claimed that 293 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: she asked a local tattoo artist about someone who could quote, 294 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: shut him up and quote. In an interview with our 295 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: news partners at the Florida Times Union, she called the 296 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: implications that she was involved sensationalistic and inaccurate, and she 297 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: felt threatened by the scrutiny Kirsten Bridigan. The thought that 298 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: there is now a tattoo artist stating that your husband's 299 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: ex was looking for someone to quote shut him up. 300 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: That has got to stab you to the core. Yeah, 301 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: you know, I am so grateful that he came forward 302 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: because to me, that's huge. There's been people that said, oh, 303 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: people say things like this when they're getting divorced. I've 304 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: had several friends get divorced and none of them have 305 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: said something like that. And on top of it, in 306 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: her interview, she also says that her criminal law defense 307 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: attorney was referred to her by several friends, and she 308 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: even like hints at, you know, we run in different circles, 309 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: almost trying to make it seem sketchy, like Jared was 310 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: involved in some sketchy circles. But when you think about it, 311 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, none of my friends would be able to 312 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: refer us to a criminal defense attorney. So yeah, we 313 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: do run in different circles. They are very different. What 314 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: does that mean to you? Kirsten Bright again and she 315 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: said you run in different circles. I took that as 316 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: an attempt to doubt on what Jared may had been 317 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: involved in or who he ran with, which is just 318 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: insane to me if you knew Jared, and that's why 319 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to help people know who he was. He's 320 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: not involved in anything like that. He's the goofiest, most 321 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: fun loving man. And so to try and throw that 322 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: out there, but then at the same time say that 323 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: her friends, multiple friends, referred her to a criminal defense attorney. 324 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: I think that flipped on her and wasn't what she 325 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: may have wanted that to be. Kathalie Murphy, we're a 326 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: high profile family lawyer joining us out of North Carolina, 327 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: but also familiar with this area. Jump in regarding the 328 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: location of the shooting death. So, Nancy, this is my hometown. 329 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: This is where my siblings still lived to this day, 330 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: and it is not a busy road. When Jared dropped 331 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: his children off at his ex wife's house, he literally 332 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: drove down very quiet roads, their back roads, and he 333 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: drove through a one way access road to get to 334 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: an exit ramp to get on a highway if you will, 335 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: to cross over that made your highway to get to 336 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: his side of town. And so for this to be 337 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: considered non personal would be very unusual. It was personal. 338 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: There's nobody out there at that time, in my experience, 339 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: it's very quiet, and it is a one way road 340 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: and it's secluded, and I don't understand why it would 341 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: not be something that was specifically targeted as to Jared. Well, 342 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: obviously in my mind it was. Guys. I want to 343 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: focus falling up on what we have just heard from 344 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. I want to focus back on telling a 345 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: tattoost And I believe Rebecca Rosenberg she was in the 346 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: middle of getting her genitals pears Is that correct? Yeah, 347 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: it's very odd. Actually, she filed to divorce on February 348 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: twenty third, and then went into this tattoo parlor the 349 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: next day and got a genital piercing and the staffer 350 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: who worked there, but it was so noteworthy because she 351 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: didn't have any tattoos yet, she didn't have any other 352 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: unusual piercing, and she went straight for this kind of 353 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: extreme pierceing that normally people get after having these other ones. 354 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: It was just kind of unusual, almost like she was 355 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: going through some sort of transition, I guess. And genital 356 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: parsing is something you work up too normally, I think, 357 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: if you ever work up to it at all. But 358 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't think usually people get just that piercing, so 359 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: he noted it as being quite unusual graduate to general piercing. 360 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: Not judging, don't care what I care about. It's what 361 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: she said reportedly to the tattoo artists. You know, this 362 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: is reminding me of doctor Bethany. It's reminded me of 363 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: tot Mom Casey Anthony, who had Italian the Italian fries 364 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: for the Sweet Life. I think it was ladolsha Vita 365 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: tattooed on her arm while her two year old taught girl, 366 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Kayley was missing translation murdered by her. Do you remember that, Nancy? 367 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: I remember it. Not only that, not only the Sweet 368 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Life tattooed on her body, dancing on a stripper pole, 369 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: buying the low cut outfits and lingerie at the local target. 370 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: I think she stole her roommate, I think check book 371 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: in order to make that a good memory. Yeah, your 372 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: baby's missing, and what do you want to push out 373 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: bras in a case of beer? Okay, that's right. So 374 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: what I am seeing with Shanna is this dramatic personality transformation. 375 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: It really is typical of what we see with women 376 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: who have a borderline personality disorder. I was just waiting 377 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: for you to say she a personality disorder, that's not insanity. 378 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: But think about it. Think about it that people of 379 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: borderline personality have both cleaning and rejecting behavior. Because she 380 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: probably stalked him during the divorce, she was preoccupied with him, 381 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: but she's also rejecting him, lying, taking him to court 382 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: for every little till somebody's jumping in. Is that Rebecca? 383 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Now this is Kathleen. When I see litigation at this level, 384 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: I really have to equate a lot of litigation at 385 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: this level to personality disorders. It is very significant as 386 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: a red flag that this heavy litigation, that she was 387 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: engaged and he was responsive mainly is indicative of that 388 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: personality disorder that you're discussing. Okay, you know what, guys, 389 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate all the info about the personality disorder, 390 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: but unless it rises to a mental defect or insanity, 391 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: which is a defense at trial, don't care. I don't 392 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: care if she was a narcissistic and thought only about herself. 393 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't care if she was histrionic, which means you're 394 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: a drama queen or a king. All the pathological liar, 395 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: a sex a blah blah. What matters is a father 396 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: four is dead on a remote highway, and now the 397 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: ex wife seemingly is caught and a really big fat 398 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: lie again not about having sex with somebody else during 399 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: the marriage, but about credibility, because if you're lying during 400 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: a homicide investigation, that is a big red flight. I mean, 401 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, a forensic pathologists medical examiner, author of 402 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupree, I have reason to 403 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: believe that bright Agan, Jerry bright Agan, was shot at 404 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: close range. This wasn't a like an accidental shooting inside 405 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: a car, which has happened in the past. This was targeted. 406 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: How can I tell if it was close range as well? 407 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: There's a couple of plays stancy and one, of course, 408 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: as we look at the actual wound itself, we look 409 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: at any gunshot residue that may be on the clothing. 410 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: We looked for signs that the weapon was within a 411 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: certain distance from that person, and we can tell that 412 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: again by the wound and by the gunshot residue that 413 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: may be on the clothing. But the really interesting thing is, 414 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: and you've said it, you know this was targeted. I 415 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: mean someone had to know his route. This is a 416 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: remote area It's a little bit of an unusual way 417 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: to go home. The tire was obviously staged and placed 418 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: them in the road that he would get out and stop. 419 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: He was shot almost immediately as he got out, and 420 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: he was shot several times. This is up close and personal. 421 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: This was intentional. I'm also thinking about the affair with 422 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: the trainer during her marriage to Jared. Maybe she's lying 423 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: about it because it makes her look bad. Okay, I 424 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: can understand that. But once you get into the homicide 425 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: investigation stage, that changes things for me. It's no longer 426 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: a time that you can continue a facade again. She 427 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: says that didn't happen. The lover has come forward and said, oh, yes, 428 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: it did. I want to talk about something else, Jackie, 429 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: would you please play Katie Jefferies from First Coach and 430 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: News one more time. In the national media, though there 431 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: has been much speculation about Bridigan's acrimonious divorce from his 432 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: first wife, Shana Gardner Fernandez, one story claimed that she 433 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: asked a local tattoo artist about someone who could quote, 434 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 1: shut him up, and quote. In an interview with our 435 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: news partners at the Florida Times Union, she called the 436 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: implications that she was involved, sensationalistic and inaccurate, and she 437 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: felt threatened by the scrutiny, according to the tattoo artist. 438 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: He states she told us her life could just be 439 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: better if if he could just quote shut up, and 440 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: asked us if we knew anybody that could quote shut 441 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: him up end quote. Also, I did not take it 442 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: at the time as anything nefarious. In hindsight, I can 443 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: see how that can be taken differently now to Dr 444 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanist. You know, and all the years I 445 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: have been with my husband David, I've never once ever 446 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: threatened to do him harm, much less something like this. 447 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a very thin line when you're at 448 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: the point you're actually wishing your husband or your ex 449 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: to be quote shut up her ex husband, Nancy, it 450 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: does cross to me a very thickcline of amorality hatred 451 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: towards him. To me, when she says something like this, 452 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: it's shows first of all, that she feels she's above 453 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: everybody else, she can say whatever she wants with impunity. 454 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: It tells me that she is preoccupied with him, wanted 455 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: him gone, that her his very presence on this earth 456 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: was unbearable. To her, that's why people commit domestic homicide. 457 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: The fact that the other person is alive is unbearable 458 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: because it makes them feel all kinds of feelings lost, 459 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: bad feelings about themselves, rage, jealousy, the feeling the other 460 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: person has a better life than they have. But why 461 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: the she was the one that was shaving, didn't she 462 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: started the whole divorce? Yeah, I see. I think sometimes 463 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: people cheat because they're trying to seek revenge on the 464 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: other person for imagine slights and injuries. So if I 465 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: have this crazy sex affair and I document it for 466 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: you to see, I'm going to show you that I'm 467 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: better than you. I'm desirable to another person. You may 468 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: not desire me and the way I want, but I'm 469 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: going to demonstrate that this a fair person desires me. 470 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure he did desire her. I'm sure it was 471 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: a perfectly nice person. She just sounds really unstable him. 472 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from 473 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: Fox needs a digital According to the tattoo parlor employee, 474 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: they the two of them, tattoo employee and ex wife 475 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: go to dinner at a Jacksonville restaurant called The Flying Iguana, 476 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: and at that time she was talking about her divorce. 477 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Told the employee her life would quote be better if 478 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: bride could just shut up, and did we know anyone 479 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: that could quote shut him. She also complained that Brian 480 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: again was trying to quote take all her money, Isn't 481 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: it true? Rebecca Rosenberg and the ex wife comes from 482 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: a very very wealthy family. Yes, she comes from a 483 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: prominent family in Utah that has a papercroft company called 484 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: stamping Up. One report estimated that it has revenue of 485 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: one hundred million a year. And her parents had always 486 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: supported them until he finished school, until Jared Britigan finished school. 487 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: They financially supported them, helped them buy their first two homes. 488 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: They have always supported Shanna. She has lived off the 489 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: money from that business. So I think at the very 490 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: beginning when they began their divorce, there was a lot 491 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: of wrangling over her possibly pain, alamony, this, you know, 492 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: back and forth. So that was definitely a concern of 493 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: hers because I don't think he was working yet at 494 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: that point. And I just do want to add one thing, 495 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think with she Ana, what you're seeing 496 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: is a lot of suspicious things that are piling up, 497 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's not just you know, you take each 498 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: of these things in isolation, it's a little less noteworthy. 499 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: But when you look at you know, a lot of 500 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: sort of odd behaviors, like she was, you know, always 501 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: speaking poorly of and to the school. There was just 502 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: so much acrimony there. And then after the murder, she 503 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: requested his death certificate from his widow, which is just 504 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: a very odd thing to do, uh and totally unnecessary. 505 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: And and had also demanded that Kirsten Britigan give her 506 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: the children's library book school library books that were at 507 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: her house. I think it was less than two weeks 508 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: after the murder, claiming the librarian had existed on getting 509 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: them bath, which is just kind of absurd. What librarian 510 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: is in just an on getting library books back from 511 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: to children who just tragically lost their father. So I 512 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: think some of these details are just adding up where 513 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: investigators are kind of focusing on Shanna because of these behaviors. 514 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about forensics, what their remains forensics. Take a 515 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at wj XT. So it looks 516 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: like someone purpocifically set out to kill Jared Brad Again, Yes, 517 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: it does look that way. That's what evidence is leading 518 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: us to believe investigators processed to that tire, sent bullet 519 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 1: casings to a ballistics lab, and they are still looking 520 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: for this Ford F one fifty scene in the area 521 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: around the time of the crime. What kind of digital 522 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: footprint is there? Are their phone records, so their GPS 523 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: or there's searches that might play into this case. So 524 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: all I can say is there's a lot of forensic 525 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: evidence that we're going through. I can't get specific with it, okay, 526 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: jos got Morgan, Professor Forensics, Joe Scott. The first thing 527 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: I would do forensically, of course, once I process the 528 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: scene is get cell phone data for everyone connected to 529 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: the victim, including his current wife, his ex wife, known associates, 530 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: because I'd want to know who, if anyone, they were 531 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: calling back and forth the day of the murder. At 532 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: the time of the murder. I would also want to 533 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: know the movements of the cell phones and any nav 534 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: system within these people's cars, not just the ex wife, 535 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: but the current wife, everyone connected to Jerry Bridigan. And 536 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: what if anything would that show me, excluding the possibility 537 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: of a burner phone. Go ahead, Yeah, when you look 538 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: at this, the watchword for this is specificity, and for me, 539 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: I think that the electronic footprint is important. However, remember 540 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: what we just heard. She said that there is a 541 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: lot of forensic evidence. There's another type of footprint, and 542 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: that other print that I'm interested in right here, if you, 543 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: like Kathleen was mentioning, this is kind of a tree 544 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: lined area. It's a tight area. And if you look 545 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: at this from a military standpoint, this is what the 546 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: military refers to from an ambush perspective as a choke point. 547 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: That means, you got it. There's precision here in Nancy. 548 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: It's narrowed down. You put an obstacle in the road 549 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: and the person has no other choice but to go 550 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 1: around it, pick it up, do whatever. If they are 551 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: laying in weight, which we have to assume they were, 552 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: that truck is not necessarily visible where they standing over 553 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: in the bushes. Do we have footprints there that could 554 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: lead you back to a specific person, say, if it's 555 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: a male, he's wearing a size ten and a half 556 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: boot or something like that. And I'd also be very 557 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: interested when you talk about precision, because this goes to planning. 558 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: This is not some kind of hair on scare on 559 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of event I'd like doctor Duprie had mentioned range 560 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: of fire. I'd like to know about the shot grouping 561 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: on his body. They just talked about multiple gunshot wounds, 562 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: but I'd like to know where the placement of those 563 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: rounds were. Let's say, you know, from a military perspective, again, 564 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: two in the chest, one in the head. You know 565 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: where exactly was he shot? And also earwitnesses. Now we 566 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: have the baby in the back of the seat, you know, 567 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: the back seat. Unfortunately, God bless her. She's saying, I heard, 568 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, boom, boom, boom. But what did the neighbors here? 569 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: Was it a quick succession like you would think precision 570 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: is associated with this? Was there shouting screaming? Was there 571 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: only one shout, one scream? Or where there multiple people screaming? 572 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: Because if somebody is doing this, they are purposed, they 573 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 1: are they know what they're doing. They're bold enough to 574 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: take a tire and throw this thing out in the 575 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: middle of the road. What else did they do? In 576 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: planning and sometimes in forensics, the planning, as detailed as 577 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: it is, that can be the one place where you 578 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: catch the individual. What happened to Jared Bride? Again, take 579 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight our friend Jim Murray 580 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: at Inside edition two three goat. These are the last 581 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: images at Microsoft executive Jared bridagaan goating on his young 582 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: children before he was viciously shot to death in an ambush. 583 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: Now mystery surrounds who was behind the assassination on the 584 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: father of four in this upscale neighborhood in Jacksonville Beach, Florida. 585 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: Jared Bridagan was driving home with his two year old 586 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: daughter strapped in her car seat when police say he 587 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: stopped his vehicle to remove a tire left in the road. 588 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: That's when he was gunned down at close range, right 589 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: in front of his daughter. Police believed the tire was 590 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: left in the middle of the street to lure him 591 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: out of his car. Whoever did this is just vile 592 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: and cowardly. I spoke to Jared's heartbroken widow Irison. Investigators 593 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: say it appears this was a hit or an ambush. Yeah, 594 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: that is how it appears. If you have information or 595 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: think you have information, please dial eight sixty six eight 596 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: four five tips eight six six eight four five eight 597 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: four seven seven. SHANEA. Fernandez and her attorney deny that 598 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: Fernandez has any involvement in Jared Brightigan's murder. No one 599 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: has been charged or named a person of interest by police. 600 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: Goodbye Frien