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Speaker 1: You've been around the system for a long time. Could

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Speaker 2: Says he's not guilty.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I've stated many times I'm probably way over

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Speaker 4: my skis right now. Technically I'm not supposed to be

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Speaker 4: doing this, but it's like if I don't do it,

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Speaker 4: who the fuck's gonna do it?

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Speaker 5: This is Judge Scott cup. He isn't supposed to make

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Speaker 5: any public comments on pending cases at all. Florida's Code

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Speaker 5: of Judicial Conduct prohibits it. And yet that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: he's doing to me, a writer. This could cost him

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Speaker 5: not only a seat on the twentieth Circuit Court, he

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Speaker 5: could even be disbarred.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I just can't let it go.

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Speaker 5: The first time I met Judge Scott Cupp was in

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, invited to speak at a conference about my book,

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Speaker 5: Devil in the Grove. It's a story of four young

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Speaker 5: black men in central Florida who were wrongly accused of

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Speaker 5: raping a white woman in nineteen forty nine. A young

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Speaker 5: Thurgood Marshall represented them at trial. Decades before he became

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Speaker 5: the first black justice on the US Supreme Court. I

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Speaker 5: spent five years investigating this story, and when Devil in

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Speaker 5: the Grove won the Pulitzer Prize in twenty thirteen, it

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Speaker 5: brought renewed attention, outrage, and even political action to the case.

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Speaker 5: In late twenty twenty one, I was in the courtroom

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Speaker 5: when the State of Florida formally dismissed all charges against

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Speaker 5: the young men known as the Groveland Four. Their families

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Speaker 5: patiently waited for full exonerations, and after seventy two years,

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Speaker 5: they finally had justice.

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Speaker 6: If you know something that's right, stand up for it.

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Speaker 2: The persistent.

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Speaker 6: And stand back footed old God's promises. Let him work

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Speaker 6: his plate. I don't care if it takes seventy two years,

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Speaker 6: it might take eighties. He did it for me, then

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Speaker 6: he'd do it for you.

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Speaker 5: I talk about Florida's notorious legal history a lot in

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Speaker 5: my book, presentations like the one I did for a

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. I didn't know him yet, but Judge Cupp

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Speaker 3: I actually thought you were a comic.

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Speaker 5: He had me confused with the comedian Gilbert Gottfried.

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Speaker 4: I glanced at the name and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is But then, for whatever reason, I decided to stay,

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Speaker 3: I remember being.

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Speaker 4: Off to the side up in the front, and then

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Speaker 4: it quickly became apparent weren't a comic, and your presentation

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Speaker 4: was obviously extremely powerful, And all I could think about.

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Speaker 3: Was I got to get this guy on Leo.

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Speaker 4: And I just pulled my card out and wrote whatever

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Speaker 5: After my talk, I was signing books and the judge

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Speaker 5: handed me his business card. On the back, he'd written

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Speaker 5: the name Leo Schofield and his Florida Department of Corrections

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Speaker 5: quote not just wrongfully convicted, He's an innocent man. When

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Speaker 5: I turned the card over, I saw the name Judge

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Speaker 5: Scott Cupp. He nodded and told me to call him sometime.

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Speaker 5: I held onto the card for a few days. I

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Speaker 5: was unsure about whether or not to call. I hate

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I'd never got on a

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Speaker 5: to Judge Cup. When I tell him who I am,

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Speaker 5: his voice takes on a sense of urgency. He brushes

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Speaker 5: starts telling me about Leo's story. How in February nineteen

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Speaker 5: eighty seven, when Leo Schofield was twenty one years old,

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Speaker 5: his eighteen year old wife, Michelle was killed. Two years later,

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Speaker 5: Leo was convicted of her murder. That was over thirty

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Speaker 5: and he still maintains his innocence. And here's the other

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Speaker 4: You or somebody like you is Leo's last shot at

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Speaker 5: I'm definitely intrigued, but I tell the judge I'm working

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Speaker 5: a favor. Just read the trial transcripts. Don't take my

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Speaker 3: Because that's what hooked me and that's what should hook everyone.

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Speaker 5: So that's what I do. I sit down in front

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Speaker 5: in the courtroom during Leo's trial. There are thousands of pages,

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Speaker 5: and I can't stop reading. The state's theory of the

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Speaker 5: crime makes no sense to me. There's nothing that resembles

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Speaker 5: I already know the jury's verdict, I'm still shocked that

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Speaker 5: I get back to Judge Cup with a ton of questions,

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Speaker 5: more obsessed I became. There seemed to be so much

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Speaker 5: doing what Judge Cupp was hoping. I'd do a thorough

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Speaker 5: investigation into the Leo Schofield case, something that the state

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Speaker 5: can't shake what Judge Cup keeps telling me about Leo Schofield.

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Speaker 3: This guy is innocent.

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Speaker 7: God help us if we can't get this right, do you.

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Speaker 2: My man? I have to have my feet.

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Speaker 2: Lamboo rich.

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Speaker 6: Desish to the word solding Sun.

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Speaker 2: To the word soldings stud the Warm Souling.

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Speaker 5: Sun Bone Valley, Chapter one. God help us. There are

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Speaker 5: so many stories of wrongful convictions from around the country,

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Speaker 5: are later exonerated for. And there's no other state like

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Speaker 5: Florida when it comes to getting it wrong. Since the

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Speaker 5: US Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 5: Florida has executed ninety nine people, but the state also

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Speaker 5: has the highest rate of error in capital cases. Over

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Speaker 5: that same period, thirty defendants sentenced to death were found

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Speaker 5: to be wrongfully convicted. That means that for every three

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Speaker 5: Florida's brutal history of wrongful convictions from the pre civil

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Speaker 5: a long time ago. There's no one to interview, just

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Speaker 5: documents and case files to pour over. But this time

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Speaker 5: it's different. The people at the heart of this case

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Speaker 5: they were willing to talk. The transcripts and documents could

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Speaker 5: show that Leo was wrongfully convicted, but they couldn't reveal

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Speaker 5: what truly happened to Michelle Schofield back in nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 5: or why the State of Florida would shut down the investigation.

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Speaker 5: So I want to talk to Leo. I've interviewed men

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Speaker 5: I've spoken to convicted murderers as well as men who

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Speaker 5: were exonerated after serving time. But I'd never been to

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Speaker 8: I had no idea what to expect. I didn't know, like,

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Speaker 8: where would we be sitting to talk to this guy?

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Speaker 8: Are there going to be guards around? Is he going

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Speaker 5: This is Kelsey Decker. I had just hired her to

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Speaker 5: pivot to Leo's case. So Kelsey scanned and read all

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Speaker 5: of Leo's legal files, and then she was hooked too.

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Speaker 5: Before long, she knew Leo's case even better.

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Speaker 9: Than I did.

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Speaker 5: But Kelsey was also fresh out of college. She'd never

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Speaker 5: done any investigative work before, let alone gone inside of prison.

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Speaker 5: To interview a man convicted of murdering his young wife.

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Speaker 5: Neither of us knew quite what she was signing up

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Speaker 2: How about yourself?

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Speaker 11: Sure? Good?

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Speaker 8: We got there. You know, we had to leave phones

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Speaker 12: In under persis any contrabands such as cellphones, firearms, ammunitions devices.

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Speaker 8: Nice Star comic went in there, take off shoes, belts,

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Speaker 8: like what what situation am I gonna find myself in

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Speaker 5: A corrections officer leads us through a series of heavy

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Speaker 5: just sit and wait until they bring Leo in. We're

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Speaker 5: hear them throughout our interviews with Leo.

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Speaker 2: Let me thank both of you. If you're dying, you

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Speaker 8: And you know, close the door and we're in there

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Speaker 9: Gurteous.

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Speaker 8: You know, we just got into it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, this is the story.

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Speaker 9: It is what it is.

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Speaker 2: You believe it, don't believe it. It's up to you.

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Speaker 12: It will not change the fact that I'm an innocent man,

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Speaker 12: and that truth transcends people's disbelief.

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Speaker 5: So here's what we learn about Leo. He's a teenager

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Speaker 3: I know what that's like.

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Speaker 5: it immediately sets him apart. This isn't the Florida you

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Speaker 12: And you know, down here they're wearing alligator shirts and

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Speaker 2: They don't get any of that. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 5: He never feels like he fits in, so he drops

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Speaker 10: Tell me about the first time that he saw Michelle.

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Speaker 2: The very first time caught her glass. I'll never forget that.

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Speaker 5: But Michelle was with Manny, so Leo was casually seeing

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Speaker 12: My pursuit was music. I have been grooming myself for

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Speaker 5: When Leo first meets Michelle, he's in a heavy metal

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Speaker 12: I actually did not care for that as a band name,

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Speaker 5: Leo was Rhino's lead guitarist. And then there was Dave Collins.

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Speaker 13: Girls like Leo a lot because he was he was

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Speaker 5: All Dave played bass. He was one of Leo's good friends,

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Speaker 5: Kelsey and I sat down with him and his wife

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Speaker 13: He was a good guitarist and a little high strung

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Speaker 13: at times. You know, there's a thing about guitarists and bands,

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Speaker 5: Dave tells us about this one time when Rhino played

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Speaker 13: Guy, and Leo got mad and took his guitar and

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Speaker 13: I remember he played that for quite a while. It's

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Speaker 3: But you know, he was young and.

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Speaker 2: He did have a temper.

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Speaker 13: But you know, there were certain people that didn't like him.

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Speaker 13: But I think it's mainly because the girls liked him, most.

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Speaker 3: Of them, to be honest.

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Speaker 5: I've seen pictures of Leo at the time. His hair

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Speaker 5: nineteen eighties hard rock, and with his overbite, I think

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Speaker 5: he looks like a young Freddie Mercury, the lead singer

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Speaker 5: from Queen. While Leo's out there pursuing his rock star dreams,

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Speaker 5: his best friend Manny, gets into some trouble and ends

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Speaker 2: Not long after Manny had went to prison.

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Speaker 12: I was at home in my parent's house and I

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Speaker 12: I'm not trying to give that up, you know, So

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Speaker 12: I'm just listening till I can figure it out, and

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Speaker 12: you know, and when she mentioned Manny, I finally figured out, well,

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Speaker 12: this is Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Michelle found Leo's number in Manny's address book. They talked

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Speaker 2: She was just feeling, you know, sad and only over

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Speaker 12: And I said, well, if you can make it over

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Speaker 5: After that, Michelle breaks it off with Manny, and over

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Speaker 5: the next few months Leo gets to know Michelle, and

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Speaker 5: pretty traditional childhood in Lakeland. She and her brothers would

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Speaker 5: But then came the difficult years. Her parents divorce, and

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Speaker 5: fire leaves them homeless for a period of time. From there,

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Speaker 5: Michelle and her brothers move into a children's home in Lakeland.

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Speaker 5: They lived there for a few years until their dad

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Speaker 12: Michelle comes from a broken home and a good family,

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Speaker 12: but still a broken family with a lot of challenges

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Speaker 12: even at that age when we met. When she was young,

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Speaker 14: She would come up to our house, and of course

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Speaker 5: This is Liz Collins and she's still married to Dave,

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Speaker 5: Rhino's bass player and Leo's good friend.

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Speaker 14: She didn't drink over there, but she would spend the

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Speaker 14: would go to bed house. Michelle, does your mom and

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Speaker 14: And so I never couldn't understand that, you know why

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Speaker 5: By this time, Leo moved out of his parents' house

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Speaker 5: and was living on his own, and soon after Michelle

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Speaker 5: meets Leo, she moves in with him. They bounce between

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Speaker 5: another couple offers up a second bedroom in their single

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Speaker 5: wide trailer. The mobile home is in North Lakeland. You're

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Speaker 5: a part of town called Comby Settlement. The neighborhood is

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Speaker 5: I've done it seems like Comby was a mostly white,

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Speaker 5: low income, high crime area. Michelle, like Leo, also dropped

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Speaker 5: He's focused on his music, but painting houses to pay

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Speaker 5: One fight in particular keeps coming up over and over.

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Speaker 2: In the past, our arguments were usually about the car.

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Speaker 5: Leo and Michelle shared, the Mazda. Sometimes Michelle would use

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Speaker 12: She didn't have a license, so I couldn't have her ownlinsurance,

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Speaker 12: and she'd already been stopped.

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Speaker 2: Once by a cop. Thankfully, they let her go and

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Speaker 5: Leo and Michelle didn't have a phone at their trailer,

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Speaker 5: but Leo begged her to stop somewhere and get a

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Speaker 12: I would always tell her You're not my daughter, so

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Speaker 2: I don't have any issues with that.

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Speaker 12: My issue is is that if I'm expecting you here

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Speaker 2: So I'm not worried.

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Speaker 12: So we always had these fights about the car because

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Speaker 12: I'd be furious, you know, like what, why don't you

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Speaker 12: get it? You know, like we go through these stupid,

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Speaker 12: ridiculous arguments. She'd come in and she's giddy and smiling,

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Speaker 12: She's had a great day, she's driving, she loved driving

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Speaker 12: the car, and me like, I'm moron, I'm furious because

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Speaker 5: Leo was worried about her safety, but he also admits

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Speaker 12: He was a great catch for me, even the rock

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Speaker 2: But that is my greatest regret with Michelle. I was

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Speaker 2: I was young and didn't have a lot to think with.

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Speaker 5: The arguments continue, but Leo wants things to get better,

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Speaker 5: who finds out that Leo and Michelle are not just

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Speaker 2: That wasn't really on my radar immediately. But it wasn't

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Speaker 12: I could spend the rest of my life with Michelle.

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Speaker 12: The question I had was could she spend the rest

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Speaker 12: he was out there digging post holes or something, and

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Speaker 12: I can't imagine what he was thinking of. I mean,

442
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 12: I was literally sweating when I went out there, and

443
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Speaker 12: quite the old fashioned way, I just came out and

444
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Speaker 12: I asked him, I said, can I marry your daughter?

445
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 12: You know, can I have your daughter's hand in marriage?

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Speaker 12: And for the life of me, I don't know why

447
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 12: he said yes, but he did. And so when he

448
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 12: said yes, I almost didn't know what to say to that.

449
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 12: I'm like, okay, well bye, you know good, well, you

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Speaker 12: know how it goes.

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00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: Michelle says yes and they start thinking about a wedding.

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00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 5: Money was tight, but the churchgoers were determined to see

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Speaker 5: the marriage happen, and sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 15: So another couple and Dale and I put together a

455
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Speaker 15: wedding and a reception for them.

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Speaker 5: On one of our trips to Polk County, Kelsey went

457
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: to a Sunday service at the church and met the

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Speaker 5: Grinsteads who knew Leo and Michelle back in the day.

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Speaker 15: It was a very traditional wedding ceremony, you know, love, honor,

460
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 15: and obey sickness and health, just very traditional honey.

461
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 5: Leo's parents attend the ceremony, along with Michelle's dad, and

462
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 5: her mom even makes the trip from Texas. Dave and

463
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: Liz Collins are there along with other congregants who want

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Speaker 5: to welcome Leo and Michelle into the church.

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Speaker 12: I remember, like it happened yesterday. I remember seeing my

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Speaker 12: bride coming in the church.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 2: That was just amazing to me.

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Speaker 12: And I had the thought when I was standing there

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00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 12: waiting for her that I'm actually marrying this girl. I

471
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 12: was just amazed that this girl's coming down the aisle

472
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Speaker 12: and she's going to marry me.

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00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 5: Leo and Michelle Schofield are pronounced husband and wife.

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Speaker 12: They don't tell you how to kiss the bride. So

475
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 12: when that time came, brother Walden saying, okay, that's enough.

476
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 12: What this is how I normally kiss her, you know,

477
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 12: and even she kind of giggled at that.

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00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 5: There's a photo from the reception Leo and Michelle standing

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 5: next to a multi layered wedding cake. They borrowed their

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00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: outfits from another recently married couple at the church. Michelle's

481
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 5: in a lacy white dress with flowers in her hair.

482
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 5: Leo's wearing a white tuxedo with a black bow tie.

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00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: They look so happy, holding hands, laughing and smiling at

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00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: people off camera, a young couple whose lives are just

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Speaker 5: beginning together. On August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty six, Pastor

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: Tom Waldron had accomplished what he'd set out to do,

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00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 5: preside over the wedding of Leo and Michelle so that

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Speaker 5: they would no longer.

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Speaker 2: Be living in sin It was one of the best

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Speaker 2: days of my entire life.

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Speaker 5: Just six months later, Pastor Waldron would preside over Michelle's

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Speaker 5: funeral service.

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Speaker 5: It's the evening of February twenty fourth, nineteen eighty seven.

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00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: Leo and Michelle have been married for about half a year.

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00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 5: After work, Leo was hanging out at his friend Buddy

528
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 5: Anderson's house, waiting for band practice to start. Leo's also

529
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 5: waiting for Michelle to call. She took the Mods to

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00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: the Tom's Restaurant for her waitressing shift. She clocks off

531
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 5: around eight pm, and Leo told her he'd be at Buddy's.

532
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 5: But it's after eight and she still hasn't called.

533
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 13: I went over there for practice, rode over there on

534
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 13: my motorcycle.

535
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 5: This is Dave, the bass player.

536
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 13: We're getting ready to practice, and all of a sudden,

537
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 13: Leo seemed to be very distraught, and I don't think

538
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 13: he said anything to me. It was Buddy that I

539
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 13: talked to as overcall, and I said, what's going on.

540
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: Buddy tells Dave that Michelle hasn't shown up yet, And for.

541
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Speaker 13: Me, it was like, it just irritating because stuff like that,

542
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 13: you know, they'd had fives before and she ran off

543
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 13: of their girlfriends and stuff like ed and I'm thinking

544
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 13: it's just the same thing, you know. So I took

545
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 13: time out of my schedule to come all the way

546
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 13: over here and now we're not going to practice because

547
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 13: of this foolishness.

548
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 5: Finally, at nine forty five pm, the phone rings at

549
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: Buddy's house. It's Michelle.

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00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 12: So the one time, the one time she calls, the

551
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 12: only time she had a call, and she was going

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00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 12: to be late.

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00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: She was already late, but she called to tell me.

554
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 5: She tells Leo that after work, she went back to

555
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: their trailer to do housework. She fed their dogs and

556
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: folded the laundry that she did earlier in the day

557
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 5: at her father's place. There's no phone in their trailer,

558
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: so she drove back to the gas station across the

559
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 5: street from Tom's restaurant to call Leo from the payphone there.

560
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 5: She tells him she made thirteen dollars in tips and

561
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: was excited about that. She says, she put three dollars

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00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: of gas in the Mazda and bought a coke.

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: And it was a good conversation. I even asked her,

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00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: I said, and I was that so hard?

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00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Right?

566
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: So now we don't have to have Oh everything's good,

567
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: I know you're okay.

568
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: Leo's about to head over to his other friend, Vince's house,

569
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 5: which is basically just down the street from buddies.

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00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: So I tell us to pick me up at Vince's house.

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00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: We have that agreement. The last thing we say is

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Speaker 2: I love you. There's no way Michelle's not on her way.

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00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: Fifteen minutes pass thein a half hour. It's only about

574
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 5: eight miles away. But Michelle has yet to show up

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00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: at Vince's house.

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00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 12: And so when she's not there at ten o'clock ten thirty,

577
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 12: now I'm starting to get worried.

578
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: First thoughts from maybe she got stopped by a cop.

579
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 9: Again or whatever.

580
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 5: Minutes turn into hours. Still no Michelle.

581
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: I think it's like eleven thirty. I call my father.

582
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: He's in bed. I talked to my mom, and my mom.

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00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 17: Gets my dad up out of bed. He says, she's

584
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 17: probably just out doing whatever. Wait a little while. She's

585
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 17: not back in a little bit, call me back. So

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00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 17: at midnight, and this is one of them times I'm

587
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 17: just not gonna forget because these.

588
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 12: Big grandfather clock and it's bonging midnight, and I call

589
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 12: and tell my dad and she's not here.

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00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: You need to come get me.

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00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: Something's wrong.

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00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 12: Michelle was less than fifteen minutes away from where she

593
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 12: was supposed to come and pick me up. She made

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 12: a phone call to us, to me at nine point

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 12: forty five at Anderson's house, and no later than ten

596
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 12: o'clock she should be there. So by midnight when my

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00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 12: father comes and finally gets me, I'm not thinking anything good.

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00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 5: They figure there's only two ways Michelle could have driven

599
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,959
Speaker 5: from the gas station where she called Leo to Vince's house.

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: So Leo and his dad drive both roots. No sign

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00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: of Michelle or the Mazda anywhere. They go back to

602
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 5: Leo's trailer to see if she's there.

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00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: I went to the house, lights were off. The car's

604
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: not there.

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00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 12: I don't stop because obviously he's not there. I had

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 12: my dad drive by one of her best friend's house.

607
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 12: Maybe the car's there. It's not there, lights off, she's

608
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 12: not there.

609
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: They go back to Vince's. She's not there, so Leo's

610
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: dad waits in the driveway while Leo goes inside to

611
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 5: make some phone calls. He's calling hospitals in the area

612
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 5: to see if there have been any serious car accidents,

613
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: but there's nothing. Then Leo makes one more call.

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Speaker 9: Hope here the sheriff opproperator, Tippy herey, can I help you?

615
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: At the time that I'm calling. It's twelve forty three.

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00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 9: In the morning.

617
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 18: I need to talk to tell me about buying my

618
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 18: wife on a four and a half hours great coming

619
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 18: home from work and can really trying that away from

620
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 18: my job and I are going in if.

621
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 9: Maybe you can got picked up. And now I'm really

622
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 9: worried about it.

623
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 18: Right here find out coming.

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00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: The Sheriff's department connects Leo to the jail so he

625
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 5: can ask them if Michelle is being held there.

626
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 12: And one I'm on the phone was the Sheriff's department,

627
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 12: and Vince is sitting on the couch and he's looking

628
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 12: at me, and I can see the look in his face.

629
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 12: He's not feeling good about it either. By then we're

630
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 12: all going song.

631
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 9: Is not right.

632
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: Leo's being recorded by the Sheriff's office and you can

633
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: hear him talking Evince while he waits on hold.

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00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 18: I doubt very says they should be just fucking around,

635
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 18: and man, she is, God help.

636
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 9: Her, because I can't afford to fucking.

637
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 18: Worry about this kind of little shit, you know, the

638
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 18: slightest little problem fucking cut me out.

639
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but they just do. Man, I

640
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 9: hate this feeling fucking hate it. She was on her

641
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 9: way here. That's why I'm cooking.

642
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 18: Out, man, That's how I could to do it.

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00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 9: Hell, okay, yeah, I'm sure we don't have her.

644
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 18: Oh man, Uh could you put me back to the trust,

645
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 18: follow the parliament and persons?

646
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 9: Okay, it on? Okay, what's your last name? Michelle Gofield? Okay,

647
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 9: I help you out.

648
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 18: I can think uh if I've put sick.

649
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 9: Great under the palm, pam.

650
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 18: All right, bomb, Well, she's coming home from mark from

651
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 18: More unlikely. She had red pants with a red and

652
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 18: white stripe shirt AMA the DLC eighty one, the color

653
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 18: on with black strite.

654
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: After the call, Leo goes back outside, gets in his

655
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 5: dad's pickup, and they drive to his parents' trailer. It's

656
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 5: about one thirty am. His dad says he's not feeling

657
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 5: well and goes to bed. Leo tries reaching anyone he

658
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 5: can think of that might know where Michelle is. He

659
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 5: even calls her grandmother, Agnes, who lives nearby. No sign

660
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: of Michelle. He calls the sheriff again and says he

661
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: gets the same dispatcher.

662
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 12: The woman told me I'll never forget this, he said,

663
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 12: mister Schofield Michelle is eighteen years old. If we find her,

664
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 12: the only thing we can do is suggest that she

665
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 12: get in touch with you. And I'm like, you don't understand.

666
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 12: We didn't have an argument. Something's wrong, she's by herself,

667
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 12: something's wrong.

668
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 5: With his dad In bed, Leo convinces his mother, Cheryl,

669
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 5: to go back out with him to look for Michelle.

670
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 5: They drive by another friend's house looking for the Mazda.

671
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 5: At around two thirty am. They pull into David Salm's

672
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 5: house that's Michelle's father, and Leo wakes him up. Michelle's

673
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: younger brother, Jesse, here's the conversation and also gets out

674
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 5: of bed.

675
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 19: Just heard a bunch of commotion and stuff and I

676
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 19: was just startled and I got up and I'm like,

677
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 19: you know what's going on?

678
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: Jesse says, his dad picked up the shotgun he kept

679
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 5: by his bed.

680
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 8: He grabbed the shotgun.

681
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 19: Well, you know, he's you don't know what's going on?

682
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 19: Somebody banging on the front door, dude, that's what he does, right,

683
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 19: I mean, he's old school. And the first thing I

684
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 19: hear is like Leo talking to my dad, and then

685
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 19: he's you know, he's out of brath and he's panicked,

686
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 19: and he's like, you know, we don't know where mischee,

687
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 19: you know, like you know, I've called everywhere.

688
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: I'm done it now.

689
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 19: And I was like, man, why would you be so

690
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 19: overly concerned about her being out at two am? Like,

691
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 19: you know, she's eighteen years old? Man, Like, that's kind

692
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 19: of the norm, you know what I mean?

693
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 9: Right?

694
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 19: And just the people that she hung out with and

695
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 19: stuff like that, they'd you know, they wouldn't be partying

696
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 19: or anything all night, but they would just stay up late,

697
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 19: you know. I mean, that's kind of what you do

698
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 19: when you're eighteen years old. So I couldn't understand why

699
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 19: the urgency of it and why he would physically show up.

700
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: At that hour, And how is your dad reacting to

701
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 5: what he was saying?

702
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 19: He was just trying to absorb the information that he

703
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 19: was being told.

704
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: David starts getting dressed to go out on his own

705
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 5: to look for his daughter. Leo and his mom leave

706
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: the psalm's house around two forty five am, and while

707
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: driving around Cumby Road, they spot two patrol cars parked

708
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: at a gas station. Leo approaches them.

709
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 12: That night, I literally stop and talk to three deputy

710
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 12: shriffs that were in two cars, two separate cars, and

711
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 12: they didn't even have anything on her report that I

712
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 12: already made. I mean, that was really frustrating. I mean,

713
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 12: how many reports do I need to make before you

714
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 12: people do something.

715
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 5: Leo and his mom returned to Leo's parents trailer. She's

716
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: tired and goes to bed.

717
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: It got to be after four. I was at my parents' house.

718
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: It started the rain.

719
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 5: He looks outside the window of his parents' trailer. They

720
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: live off a big highway ninety eight north, and he's

721
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 5: looking across the street to a parking lot, and it was.

722
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 12: A flashing light, like a beacon light, and Gilbert, I'm

723
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 12: holding on to anything. Well, I'm doing a chicken bone

724
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 12: wish thing at this point. Anything. I'm looking for anything,

725
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 12: and anything's a possibility.

726
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: He thinks for a moment, doesn't really make any sense.

727
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 5: But maybe this flashing light is a tow truck. Maybe

728
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 5: they have the Mazda.

729
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 12: So I grab my dad's jacket, I go off, and

730
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 12: I walk across the street in ninety eight and I

731
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 12: get over to the store and it's a light drizzle.

732
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 5: He makes it over to the parking lot, but it's

733
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: not a tow truck. It's just a street sweeper driving

734
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 5: around the lot.

735
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: And in that moment, right at that moment, right there,

736
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: I started to cry.

737
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 12: In the rain because I didn't know what to do.

738
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 12: I didn't know where to go, and I knew then

739
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 12: my wife's in trouble and I don't have any way

740
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 12: to help her, not a damn thing. And it was

741
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 12: so frustrating. So I walked up to Buddy's house, which was.

742
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: A good little walk. I mean, they all lived within

743
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: the same marble, and you're walking, you know, in the rain.

744
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: That was like a frigging eternity to get there. And

745
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: I banged on his window.

746
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 12: When I finally got there and he came in, he

747
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 12: let me in and I begged, please take me out.

748
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 12: Something's wrong.

749
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: He said, just wait till the morning, just wait. We

750
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: can't do nothing. I'll just wait. And I did not

751
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: want to wait, but I had nothing else that I

752
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: could do.

753
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 9: But I was.

754
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 3: Beyond worried.

755
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: I was miserable.

756
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 12: I didn't even think of sleep, and I didn't think

757
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 12: of beating. I didn't think of changing my clothes. I

758
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 12: didn't think of taking a shower. My next thought, my

759
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 12: next objective was getting somebody get in a car and

760
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 12: let's go find Michelle.

761
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: At daybreak, Leo walks back to his parents' trailer. There's

762
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 5: still no word from Michelle, so he and his dad

763
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 5: go down to the Lakeland Police Department, where they meet

764
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: a rookie officer, Richard Katchadorian.

765
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 20: Hang on a second, yes, hey, give me a favorite,

766
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 20: just to intercept him a minute, letting him on the

767
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 20: phone with that gentleman from New York of all night s.

768
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 5: Gilbert Kelsey and I were able to track him down

769
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 5: by phone in Lakeland, where he does private security at

770
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 5: a local university. We talked to him while he was

771
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 5: on duty in his patrol car.

772
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: If you need to, we could call you back.

773
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 20: It's not a problem now. I don't worry about it.

774
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 20: I'm in all right.

775
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: We'd gotten a copy of Katchadurian's police report from that

776
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 5: morning and emailed it to him to refresh his memory,

777
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 5: but he said he didn't need it. Can you tell

778
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 5: us where you were what you remember back on February

779
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 5: twenty fifth with Leo Schofield and his father came to

780
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 5: the Lakeland Police Department back.

781
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 20: In nineteen eighty seven. I can ensition it right now.

782
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 11: I was working the station duty office desk. I stepped

783
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 11: out of the booth the little office there, and went

784
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 11: law and engaged him in conversation. And at first it

785
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 11: seemed like a just and I hate using a word typical,

786
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 11: but it just seemed like just an missing person's information.

787
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 9: And I was.

788
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 20: Trying to take it apart as I was listening to

789
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 20: because a lot.

790
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 11: Of times, you know, when you get a missing person's

791
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 11: they're not really missing, you know, they're just unaccounted for

792
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 11: for for whatever reason. And I was taking the information,

793
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 11: asking what I considered standardized questioning about where you last

794
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 11: saw you know, what does she do for a living?

795
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 20: You know, a blah blah blah, and mister Schofield, the father,

796
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 20: was doing all the talking.

797
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 11: The way I remember almost all of it. I'd asked

798
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 11: the question and the father would answer. And when I

799
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 11: got down to the date of birth, mister Schofield gave

800
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 11: me her date of birth, and I said, why can't

801
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 11: your son answer those questions?

802
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 8: How do you know this?

803
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 11: And he doesn't for whatever reason? That just that question,

804
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 11: it was like a cold knife blade in me. I

805
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 11: just couldn't understand why the boy couldn't provide me his

806
00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 11: wife's date of birth.

807
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 5: Leo had the same issue the night before. On his

808
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: twelve forty three am call to the sheriff's dispatcher. He

809
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 5: knew his wife's birthday. It's December eighth, the day before

810
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: his own birthday. He knew her age too, but on

811
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 5: the call he just had trouble remembering the year Michelle

812
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: was born.

813
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 9: Okay, help, I'm thinking twelve eight. I don't remember the

814
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 9: year eighteen sixteen sixty eight eight. Okay.

815
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: He's stumbling on the birthday again with Katchadorian, and the

816
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: rookie officer finds this suspicious.

817
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 20: He was distant. I tried to engage him. I think

818
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 20: I said something to him, back, can you look at me?

819
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 20: I mean, look at me. You know what's your wife's

820
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 20: state of birth? Why is your father answering that question?

821
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 20: Why aren't you? How come you don't know your own

822
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 20: wife's date of birth?

823
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 11: And he was distant.

824
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 20: One of the things I did ask question, did you

825
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 20: are you have any marital discourse? Are there any issues?

826
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 11: Did you hit her that you know there have been

827
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 11: domestic violence of any kind? And it was all knows

828
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 11: And that's mister Schofield did all the answering on that too.

829
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 11: I asked the boy if he had anything to do

830
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 11: with the disappearance of his wife, and the father got

831
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 11: a little annoyed with me there in the lobby.

832
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 20: Not angry, but annoyed, thought I was being rude.

833
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: After asking some more questions, Officer Katchadorian determines that the

834
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 5: place where Michelle was last seen does not fall within

835
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 5: the Lakeland Police Department's jurisdiction, so he'd need to pass

836
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 5: the information over to the Polk County Sheriff's office.

837
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 11: And I remember going back in and letting them know

838
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 11: that I needed to handle his fat and I need

839
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 11: to get a deputy right.

840
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 20: Away out to their house. I suspected some form about play.

841
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 5: It's now late in the afternoon on February twenty fifth,

842
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 5: about eighteen hours since Michelle went missing. Something is definitely

843
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: very wrong. If Michelle is off having a good time somewhere,

844
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 5: who is she with? A search party starts to take shape, parents,

845
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 5: both families friends. They drive the streets around Cumby and

846
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 5: expand into other parts of Lakeland. They make missing person

847
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 5: flyers with details about the Mazda and photos of Michelle

848
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 5: that they post around town, and.

849
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: Then as the search party develops over the next three days,

850
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: We're all looking around in the ditches and all that stuff.

851
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Her father's with me and all that. And I had

852
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: this distinct thought.

853
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 12: I was standing in the back with a pickup truck

854
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 12: and we've got this sunbeam light in the middle of

855
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 12: the night on power.

856
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: Plant Road, and we're looking in the ditch, and it

857
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: just dawned on me, what do we look for?

858
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 12: We expected to be playing cards in the ditch somewhere,

859
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 12: to sit in here waiting to be found.

860
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: And it just struck me that something is drastically wrong.

861
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 5: While shining lights into ditches on the side of the road,

862
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 5: Leo's mind went to a very dark place, to a

863
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 5: particularly gruesome murder in Florida that had horrified the nation

864
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 5: in the early nineteen eighties.

865
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: They were just doing the Adam Walsh thing, right, None

866
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: of that.

867
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: I remembered.

868
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: I was attending the University of South Florida in Tampa

869
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 5: at the time, about a half hour west of Lakeland.

870
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 5: Adam Walsh was a six year old boy who'd been

871
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 5: abducted in nineteen eighty one from a department store in

872
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 5: South Florida. After a couple weeks of searching, the boy's

873
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: severed head was found in a drainage canal near Yehaw Junction,

874
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: about twenty miles east of Polk County. Everyone in Florida

875
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 5: knew about Adam Walsh. The brutal nature of the crime

876
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 5: made international headlines, and Adam's father, John Walsh, became a

877
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 5: public figure advocating for victims of violent crimes. He later

878
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 5: launched the long running television show America's Most Wanted.

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Speaker 12: That was big news in Florida. And I'm from Massachusetts.

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Speaker 12: I grew up in a project. I don't know if

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00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 12: we were isolated or not, but I don't remember stories

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Speaker 12: like that when I was a kid. You come down

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Speaker 12: here to Florida and it's like an every day occur

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Speaker 12: and somebody's getting butchered and it's horrifying. You hear that

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Speaker 12: stuff on the news. And I did say, I hope

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Speaker 12: we don't find her in water like Adam Walsh was.

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Speaker 12: And I said that only because it dawned on me

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Speaker 12: when we were looking in these drainage ditches and all

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Speaker 12: this other stuff, that what do we expect to find?

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Speaker 5: Another day goes by constant searching around Lakeland, looking in

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Speaker 5: ditches and Woods. Michelle has been missing for forty eight hours.

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Speaker 5: Finally there's a break. One of Leo's friends is on

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Speaker 5: his way home from work when he spots what he

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Speaker 5: thinks is Leo and Michelle's Mazda. It's parked on the

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Speaker 5: shoulder of I four, just a few miles east of Lakeland.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't think much of it, but then he stops

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Speaker 5: at Sparky's gas station on Cumby Road. He sees a

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Speaker 5: flyer with Michelle's picture and he realizes something is wrong.

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Speaker 5: He calls Leo's parents and says he thinks he saw

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Speaker 5: the Mazda abandoned on the side of the highway. The

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Speaker 5: car is found, but Michelle is not. The Orange Mazda

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Speaker 5: would be towed to a crime lab in Orlando and

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Speaker 5: processed for evidence by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

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Speaker 5: A mechanic who analyzed the car would note that something

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Speaker 5: called the flywheel had come apart, causing the Mazda to

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Speaker 5: break down. It also appeared that the stair had been

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Speaker 5: tampered with. A lab tech would find a bottle of

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Speaker 5: downy fabric softener in the back, smeared with blood, and

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Speaker 5: most crucially, two sets of fingerprints were lifted from inside

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Speaker 5: the vehicle. The owner of those prints would not be

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Speaker 5: identified for seventeen years. Bone Valley is a production of

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Speaker 5: Lava for Good Podcasts in association with Signal Company Number One.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Jason Flahm and Kevin Wordis. Kara

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Speaker 5: Krnhaber is our senior producer. Britz Spangler is our sound designer.

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Speaker 5: Ruxandra Guidy is our editor. Fact checking by Maximo Anderson.

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Speaker 5: Our producer and researcher is Keller. Our theme song, The

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Speaker 5: One Who's Holding the Stars, is performed by Lee Bob

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Speaker 5: and The Truth. It was written by Leo Schofield and

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Speaker 5: Kevin Herrick in Florida's Hearty Correctional Institution. Bone Valley is

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Speaker 5: written and produced by me Gilbert King. You can follow

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Speaker 5: the show on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter at Lava for Good.

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Speaker 5: To see photos and documents from our investigation and exclusive

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