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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, everyone's justin Richmond. I'm dropping in today to

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Speaker 1: play you an episode from my brand new podcast. Started

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Speaker 1: from the bottom. The idea for the show predates my

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Speaker 1: work with Rick and Malcolm here on Broken Record and

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Speaker 1: goes all the way back to a meeting I had

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Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen with Quincy Jones, probably one of the

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Speaker 1: most successful people I've ever and maybe we'll ever meet

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Speaker 1: in my entire life. I think it'll make sense to

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Speaker 1: you why this idea sprung from that meeting when you

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Speaker 1: hear the episode. So, without further ado, I want to

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Speaker 1: play for you my conversation with one of the most

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Speaker 1: successful radio personalities of all time, The Breakfast clubs Charlemagne

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Speaker 1: the God. For me growing up, it was oh, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's the time join our morning show because you know,

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Speaker 1: my mom was a school teacher, so we was up early,

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Speaker 1: so I would listening to the time join up. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, Z ninety three played such a big

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Speaker 1: role in my life because you know, their original morning

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Speaker 1: show that I remember was The Breakfast Club Baby Jay

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Speaker 1: and Tessa. Tessa Spencer, my guest today is someone I've

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Speaker 1: wanted to interview for a long time because of what

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Speaker 1: he's meant over the last decade to the culture, black culture,

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Speaker 1: hip hop culture, internet culture, youth culture, all the cultures

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Speaker 1: you name it. But if I'm being completely honest, the

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Speaker 1: real reason I wanted to sit down and talk to

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Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God is to see if some of his

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Speaker 1: confidence can run off on me. Most of my career,

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Speaker 1: I've been terrified to bring my full self to work

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Speaker 1: be enough. I don't know. I'm working through it with

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Speaker 1: my therapist. But what I admire about Charlemagne is that

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Speaker 1: he seems to not care at all about being rejected

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Speaker 1: by his peers, his co workers, his audience, anyone. And

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Speaker 1: that confidence has led to some of the most pactful

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Speaker 1: and sometimes controversial interviews over the last decade. As co

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Speaker 1: all time, The Breakfast Club, Charlonte made made time to

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Speaker 1: sit down with me in New York City to discuss

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Speaker 1: all of this, plus his upbringing, parenting, and the criticisms

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Speaker 1: that have come with his success and more. This has

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Speaker 1: started from the bottom, hard earned success stories from people

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Speaker 1: like us. First time I ever saw you was it

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Speaker 1: to Toe with Andrew Dice Club. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was like two thousand and seven. Yeah. It was one

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Speaker 1: of the most amazing things ever. And even though you

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Speaker 1: the way they edited it, too, but it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had some I had some good ones, but they

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Speaker 1: about me calling them a fat fans. That's all right,

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Speaker 1: looking back, you actually did a lot better than I remember.

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Speaker 1: At the time. I was a gang like still got it.

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Speaker 1: I've been like, oh man, But then I kind of

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Speaker 1: thought it'd be good to start with growing up in

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Speaker 1: come to realize that it is associated with that that upbringing.

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Speaker 1: It's simple, you know, Monst Corner when I was young

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Speaker 1: anxiety that you have. When did that start? Really Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when your voice track is when you record your voice,

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00:21:12,476 --> 00:21:14,436
Speaker 1: and you got to record your voice, and you know,

427
00:21:14,556 --> 00:21:16,876
Speaker 1: it's like it's a time slot from like eleven to three,

428
00:21:16,996 --> 00:21:20,516
Speaker 1: so you're talking like three four times an hour, introducing songs,

429
00:21:20,556 --> 00:21:23,156
Speaker 1: time temperature and stuff like that. So I didn't know

430
00:21:23,236 --> 00:21:26,036
Speaker 1: how to do radio, you know, I really didn't. So

431
00:21:26,116 --> 00:21:28,876
Speaker 1: I was just going in there talking like, yeah, I was.

432
00:21:29,076 --> 00:21:30,716
Speaker 1: I was actually screaming. When I go back and listening

433
00:21:30,716 --> 00:21:32,396
Speaker 1: to my old voice tapes, I was screaming. And it's

434
00:21:32,396 --> 00:21:34,116
Speaker 1: funny because they all were telling me I was screaming,

435
00:21:34,116 --> 00:21:36,316
Speaker 1: like I'm not screaming. I was just old you I

436
00:21:36,356 --> 00:21:38,516
Speaker 1: don't understand how we talk about. I was really yelling

437
00:21:38,596 --> 00:21:41,836
Speaker 1: like ninety three jams are being hip hop, my go

438
00:21:41,916 --> 00:21:44,156
Speaker 1: by the name is Charlemagne and gods. I was yelling,

439
00:21:44,276 --> 00:21:47,236
Speaker 1: like screaming at people, and so like, you know, when

440
00:21:47,276 --> 00:21:50,516
Speaker 1: I finally started listening to the people who actually do

441
00:21:50,716 --> 00:21:53,956
Speaker 1: this for a living, I started to acquire a more

442
00:21:54,036 --> 00:21:56,996
Speaker 1: conversational tone. You know, when in the beginning, I was

443
00:21:57,076 --> 00:21:59,956
Speaker 1: just yelling, like yelling, like literally yelling at people on

444
00:22:00,076 --> 00:22:01,956
Speaker 1: the radio, and that's what I was doing. And I

445
00:22:02,036 --> 00:22:03,836
Speaker 1: did that I think I might have voice tracked a

446
00:22:03,916 --> 00:22:06,796
Speaker 1: few Sundays, and then Ron was like, all right, enough

447
00:22:06,876 --> 00:22:09,076
Speaker 1: of that. You're gonna have your voice track on Saturday

448
00:22:09,236 --> 00:22:11,516
Speaker 1: nights now seven to ten, and then you're gonna go

449
00:22:11,636 --> 00:22:15,636
Speaker 1: live from ten to midnight. And I was everything because

450
00:22:15,636 --> 00:22:19,076
Speaker 1: it's Saturday nights so I can have this high energy.

451
00:22:19,436 --> 00:22:21,276
Speaker 1: But then when we go live, or I could take

452
00:22:21,396 --> 00:22:24,436
Speaker 1: phone calls. Now it's like I'm taking phone calls and

453
00:22:24,516 --> 00:22:27,276
Speaker 1: I'm working with people when they're calling then making jokes

454
00:22:27,316 --> 00:22:30,356
Speaker 1: blah blah. So it's just like for me, the best

455
00:22:30,396 --> 00:22:31,836
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me was I didn't know

456
00:22:31,916 --> 00:22:35,436
Speaker 1: how to do radio. Nobody taught me how to do radio.

457
00:22:35,516 --> 00:22:39,236
Speaker 1: I wasn't a person who came from, you know, doing

458
00:22:39,316 --> 00:22:42,396
Speaker 1: college radio or nowadays you can have a podcast or

459
00:22:42,436 --> 00:22:44,636
Speaker 1: a YouTube page. I was just fresh off the dirt

460
00:22:44,716 --> 00:22:47,916
Speaker 1: road in Monks Corner, South Carolina, getting on the air

461
00:22:48,316 --> 00:22:50,756
Speaker 1: in Charleston, South Carolina, on the biggest radio station at

462
00:22:50,796 --> 00:22:55,356
Speaker 1: the time, ninety three, and that rawdness showed. I sounded

463
00:22:55,436 --> 00:22:59,116
Speaker 1: different than everybody else because I didn't have that announcer,

464
00:22:59,756 --> 00:23:02,476
Speaker 1: you know, background, So it worked for me. Yeah, you

465
00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:06,756
Speaker 1: didn't have the announcer broadcast, yeah or whatever, just coming

466
00:23:06,796 --> 00:23:09,916
Speaker 1: at it with your own angles. What was your journey

467
00:23:09,956 --> 00:23:14,036
Speaker 1: after that? After z SO, I worked as an intern

468
00:23:14,116 --> 00:23:18,116
Speaker 1: in ninety eight, started there in ninety nine from the

469
00:23:18,156 --> 00:23:22,076
Speaker 1: promotions department to um being on there. And then a

470
00:23:22,156 --> 00:23:24,476
Speaker 1: news station came in the market, Hot ninety eight nine,

471
00:23:25,036 --> 00:23:29,436
Speaker 1: much smaller station ran by a guy named my Man.

472
00:23:29,556 --> 00:23:32,636
Speaker 1: George Cook was the program director. I was doing part

473
00:23:32,676 --> 00:23:34,796
Speaker 1: time at z SO. I had some conversations with Hot

474
00:23:34,876 --> 00:23:36,956
Speaker 1: ninety eight nine. They wanted me to come over there

475
00:23:36,996 --> 00:23:39,436
Speaker 1: and do nights. They wanted me to do Monday through Saturday,

476
00:23:39,516 --> 00:23:42,876
Speaker 1: seven to midnight full time, and I was I think

477
00:23:42,916 --> 00:23:45,676
Speaker 1: the pay was like nineteen grand a year, and at

478
00:23:45,716 --> 00:23:48,196
Speaker 1: the time that was a lot of money, and it

479
00:23:48,276 --> 00:23:50,396
Speaker 1: was a salary. So just to be able to say

480
00:23:50,556 --> 00:23:54,236
Speaker 1: first time on salary, I didn't go to college, you

481
00:23:54,316 --> 00:23:57,396
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I graduated from night school and like, so,

482
00:23:57,516 --> 00:24:00,596
Speaker 1: I didn't just oh, I got a salary, now about

483
00:24:01,116 --> 00:24:03,276
Speaker 1: how much I'm making an hour? Like yeah, I'm just

484
00:24:03,356 --> 00:24:05,236
Speaker 1: happy to be making nineteen grand a year like that

485
00:24:05,316 --> 00:24:09,396
Speaker 1: sounded like some shit. And so yeah, I started working

486
00:24:09,436 --> 00:24:11,316
Speaker 1: there every night and it wasn't even about to check

487
00:24:11,356 --> 00:24:13,476
Speaker 1: it was about the opportunity to be on every night

488
00:24:13,836 --> 00:24:17,036
Speaker 1: and my man, George Cookman, who's still a great mentor

489
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,756
Speaker 1: to me to this day. He actually, George is not

490
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:22,156
Speaker 1: only the first person to give me a full time

491
00:24:22,276 --> 00:24:26,436
Speaker 1: position on radio, he told me some information that just

492
00:24:26,596 --> 00:24:30,236
Speaker 1: changed my whole life. And the information was, I want

493
00:24:30,276 --> 00:24:33,636
Speaker 1: you to have a morning show at night. I want

494
00:24:33,676 --> 00:24:36,876
Speaker 1: you to treat this night show that you have like

495
00:24:36,996 --> 00:24:40,556
Speaker 1: a morning show at night. Parody songs and a lot

496
00:24:40,636 --> 00:24:42,876
Speaker 1: of sketches, and a lot of topics and a lot

497
00:24:42,956 --> 00:24:45,796
Speaker 1: of interaction with listeners via the phone, and you know,

498
00:24:45,916 --> 00:24:49,956
Speaker 1: playing new music, and all of that benefited me so

499
00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:54,036
Speaker 1: well in the future because that's what I ultimately treated

500
00:24:54,156 --> 00:24:56,556
Speaker 1: every single show like. I treated every single show like

501
00:24:56,636 --> 00:24:58,156
Speaker 1: it was a morning show. So no matter where I

502
00:24:58,236 --> 00:25:01,716
Speaker 1: went from High ninety eighty nine to the Big DM

503
00:25:01,796 --> 00:25:03,956
Speaker 1: in Columbia, then it was Hot one of three nine

504
00:25:03,996 --> 00:25:06,676
Speaker 1: in Columbia, then it was Wendy Williams Show, then it

505
00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:08,756
Speaker 1: was my own morning show in Philly. By the time

506
00:25:08,756 --> 00:25:11,276
Speaker 1: I got to my own morning show in Philly, I

507
00:25:11,396 --> 00:25:14,436
Speaker 1: had approached every single one of those situations like it

508
00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:16,356
Speaker 1: was a morning show. So by the time I was

509
00:25:16,436 --> 00:25:19,196
Speaker 1: ready to do my own morning show. I was overprepared. Yeah,

510
00:25:19,596 --> 00:25:22,436
Speaker 1: you know, so it was he planned to seed early

511
00:25:22,596 --> 00:25:26,436
Speaker 1: on that basically stuck with me throughout my whole career

512
00:25:26,556 --> 00:25:29,596
Speaker 1: and ultimately led to me being the morning guy I am.

513
00:25:29,716 --> 00:25:33,076
Speaker 1: Now let me come back. You'll get a chance to

514
00:25:33,196 --> 00:25:36,836
Speaker 1: hear what Charlemagne learned from the legendary radio host Wendy

515
00:25:36,956 --> 00:25:40,996
Speaker 1: Williams and lessons he had to teach himself to achieve success.

516
00:25:49,636 --> 00:25:52,956
Speaker 1: Tell me about meeting Wendy Williams, man Man, I met

517
00:25:53,036 --> 00:25:57,276
Speaker 1: Wendy because I was doing radio in Columbia, South Carolina.

518
00:25:57,916 --> 00:26:00,316
Speaker 1: Columbia had a really dope station called Hot one with

519
00:26:00,396 --> 00:26:03,236
Speaker 1: three nine. So Hot one with three nine started syndicating

520
00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:07,756
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams in the afternoons, and so Wendy and her

521
00:26:07,836 --> 00:26:11,596
Speaker 1: husband would come down for station visits, Like they would

522
00:26:11,636 --> 00:26:13,756
Speaker 1: come down and like see the market and stuff like that,

523
00:26:14,276 --> 00:26:17,036
Speaker 1: and so I just would break bread, you know. And

524
00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:18,756
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I even tried to break

525
00:26:18,796 --> 00:26:21,316
Speaker 1: bread with Wendy. Wendy was in the studio trying to

526
00:26:21,396 --> 00:26:23,476
Speaker 1: do her show, which I totally understand, now, you know

527
00:26:23,476 --> 00:26:25,316
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I came in there with mixtapes

528
00:26:25,396 --> 00:26:28,156
Speaker 1: and parody songs, all of this stuff I wanted her

529
00:26:28,196 --> 00:26:31,396
Speaker 1: to hear and while she was doing her show. Yeah,

530
00:26:31,436 --> 00:26:32,996
Speaker 1: I mean, but she was in between breaks, you know

531
00:26:33,036 --> 00:26:35,516
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now when I under now understanding

532
00:26:35,556 --> 00:26:39,076
Speaker 1: the hecticness of a syndicated show, it wasn't like breaks

533
00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:41,516
Speaker 1: like us. But we break for twenty minutes, thirty minutes

534
00:26:41,556 --> 00:26:44,996
Speaker 1: and got time the bullshit she's on like on on

535
00:26:45,196 --> 00:26:46,836
Speaker 1: on on, Like it might have only been like three

536
00:26:46,916 --> 00:26:50,276
Speaker 1: minutes in between songs. Wendy goes, look, yo, yo, take

537
00:26:50,356 --> 00:26:54,076
Speaker 1: that mixtape shit out of here. I'm trying to do

538
00:26:54,196 --> 00:26:57,276
Speaker 1: my fucking show. Take that mixtape ship through my husband.

539
00:26:58,276 --> 00:27:01,636
Speaker 1: I didn't feel offended by that. Yeah, I was just like,

540
00:27:01,676 --> 00:27:03,196
Speaker 1: where's your husband? She's like, I think if he's in

541
00:27:03,316 --> 00:27:05,636
Speaker 1: that fucking room somewhere, like in the conference room across

542
00:27:05,676 --> 00:27:09,996
Speaker 1: the hall. Cool. I went across the room, gave him

543
00:27:10,036 --> 00:27:12,996
Speaker 1: the mixtape, started pitching shit to him, you know, pitching

544
00:27:13,036 --> 00:27:15,436
Speaker 1: shit to him, and then we started talking and we

545
00:27:15,796 --> 00:27:18,156
Speaker 1: you know, kept in contact from there, you know, and

546
00:27:18,316 --> 00:27:20,076
Speaker 1: I used to like give them the heads up on

547
00:27:20,196 --> 00:27:23,356
Speaker 1: things that were going on at the station. So he

548
00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:25,516
Speaker 1: invited me to come up to New York for a party.

549
00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:26,956
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, wan't you come up to New York.

550
00:27:26,996 --> 00:27:28,996
Speaker 1: We're having a party, blah blah. And I'm like, all right,

551
00:27:29,956 --> 00:27:31,956
Speaker 1: went to the party just to kick it. And in

552
00:27:32,116 --> 00:27:35,956
Speaker 1: the party, Wendy was like, oh shit, Charlemagne, Yo, won't

553
00:27:35,956 --> 00:27:38,396
Speaker 1: you come to my show? How long are you in town? Like, oh,

554
00:27:38,476 --> 00:27:40,516
Speaker 1: just for a couple of days. Come to my show tomorrow,

555
00:27:41,796 --> 00:27:44,716
Speaker 1: Like come to your show tomorrow. Can't tell me shit

556
00:27:44,876 --> 00:27:48,556
Speaker 1: like that. I'm going I'm going to be like, yo,

557
00:27:48,836 --> 00:27:51,436
Speaker 1: all right, the who do I call? What do I do?

558
00:27:51,876 --> 00:27:54,036
Speaker 1: And so I'm hitting cav like yo, keV. Wendy said,

559
00:27:54,076 --> 00:27:55,156
Speaker 1: come to her show. He was like, all right, I

560
00:27:55,356 --> 00:27:57,036
Speaker 1: bet so. He just told me that. He told me

561
00:27:57,156 --> 00:27:59,276
Speaker 1: to go up there, went up there, sat in the

562
00:27:59,356 --> 00:28:01,796
Speaker 1: pink room to pint the office for a while. Then

563
00:28:01,876 --> 00:28:04,116
Speaker 1: she invited me on the show and I was there

564
00:28:04,196 --> 00:28:08,356
Speaker 1: for like twenty five minutes, and literally that evening they

565
00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:12,156
Speaker 1: were offering me the position is her co host sidekick.

566
00:28:12,236 --> 00:28:14,796
Speaker 1: And they was like, look, we can't pay you, but

567
00:28:14,916 --> 00:28:17,676
Speaker 1: we can give you a place to stay. And I'm

568
00:28:17,756 --> 00:28:19,196
Speaker 1: just like all right, just let me go back down

569
00:28:19,236 --> 00:28:22,316
Speaker 1: South and like, you know, figure some things out, like

570
00:28:22,436 --> 00:28:24,076
Speaker 1: just you know, let my girl know what I'm about

571
00:28:24,076 --> 00:28:26,596
Speaker 1: to do and everything else, And that's what I did.

572
00:28:26,756 --> 00:28:29,516
Speaker 1: You knew the opportunity, yo, man, you gotta recognize the

573
00:28:29,516 --> 00:28:31,556
Speaker 1: opportunity even when it's not a paycheck attached to it.

574
00:28:32,036 --> 00:28:34,356
Speaker 1: So my mindset was never I never I never wanted

575
00:28:34,436 --> 00:28:35,756
Speaker 1: like how much I'm gonna get paid. It was like,

576
00:28:35,916 --> 00:28:38,436
Speaker 1: we cannot pay you, but we can give you a

577
00:28:38,516 --> 00:28:42,596
Speaker 1: place to stay. I'm out the opportunity to be on

578
00:28:42,676 --> 00:28:48,036
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams Show Monday through Friday in the afternoon, nationally

579
00:28:48,076 --> 00:28:50,956
Speaker 1: syndicated show. What are some lessons you learned on the

580
00:28:50,996 --> 00:28:54,636
Speaker 1: Wonder william Show. That Wendy's a legend, no matter how

581
00:28:54,676 --> 00:28:56,516
Speaker 1: you feel about her, no matter how you feel about her,

582
00:28:56,556 --> 00:28:59,156
Speaker 1: Bona farre legend, one of the most talented people, one

583
00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,556
Speaker 1: of the most talented media personalities of all time. You know,

584
00:29:01,636 --> 00:29:04,516
Speaker 1: one of the people few people who can like literally

585
00:29:04,636 --> 00:29:09,476
Speaker 1: sit down in front of a TV camera and just go. Yeah,

586
00:29:09,556 --> 00:29:10,916
Speaker 1: person who could just sit down in front of a

587
00:29:10,996 --> 00:29:14,476
Speaker 1: microphone and just go. And you realize the reason she's

588
00:29:14,476 --> 00:29:16,196
Speaker 1: able to do that is number one, she had does

589
00:29:16,236 --> 00:29:18,276
Speaker 1: have just a natural gift to gab. But one of

590
00:29:18,356 --> 00:29:21,636
Speaker 1: the lessons I learned that everything is showprep. Like a

591
00:29:21,676 --> 00:29:23,116
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, back in the day, we

592
00:29:23,156 --> 00:29:24,916
Speaker 1: would think that show prep is like just picking up

593
00:29:24,916 --> 00:29:27,796
Speaker 1: the latest magazine, picking up the latest tabloid and just

594
00:29:27,916 --> 00:29:30,596
Speaker 1: downloading what's in there. Wendy taught me that your whole

595
00:29:30,676 --> 00:29:34,196
Speaker 1: life is show prep. Every single experience that you go

596
00:29:34,356 --> 00:29:37,076
Speaker 1: through can be brought to the radio. You know, every

597
00:29:37,116 --> 00:29:39,916
Speaker 1: single experience that you go through can be bought, you know,

598
00:29:40,276 --> 00:29:42,396
Speaker 1: the television. I would watch her, I'd be out with

599
00:29:42,476 --> 00:29:47,156
Speaker 1: her during the day, watch these things happen to her

600
00:29:47,396 --> 00:29:49,156
Speaker 1: and then watch her get on the radio and talk

601
00:29:49,156 --> 00:29:51,636
Speaker 1: about these things like, oh, I was there, and of

602
00:29:51,676 --> 00:29:53,276
Speaker 1: course he's making me part of the story because and

603
00:29:53,396 --> 00:29:56,316
Speaker 1: Charlemagne said this. Charlemagne was right there, and Charlotmagne acted

604
00:29:56,356 --> 00:29:57,596
Speaker 1: like he didn't see it, and it isn't that. Like

605
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,596
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, damn, she's incredible, you know what I mean. Like,

606
00:30:00,676 --> 00:30:05,596
Speaker 1: he's just an incredible storyteller. So, you know, she taught

607
00:30:05,636 --> 00:30:09,676
Speaker 1: me how to tell stories via radio, even though I

608
00:30:09,756 --> 00:30:11,236
Speaker 1: was already doing it, but I was doing it more

609
00:30:11,316 --> 00:30:14,636
Speaker 1: so through sketches. But now just to make your life

610
00:30:15,276 --> 00:30:17,836
Speaker 1: a story, to make the things that happened to you

611
00:30:17,996 --> 00:30:20,956
Speaker 1: throughout the day a story that was like one of

612
00:30:20,996 --> 00:30:23,196
Speaker 1: the biggest things, like everything is show prep. And the

613
00:30:23,276 --> 00:30:24,996
Speaker 1: other thing was like you're either going to be of

614
00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:28,196
Speaker 1: the people or of the industry, because when you're of

615
00:30:28,356 --> 00:30:32,716
Speaker 1: the people, you're always going to speak like for the people,

616
00:30:32,756 --> 00:30:35,916
Speaker 1: and you're gonna speak how the people speak. When you're

617
00:30:35,996 --> 00:30:38,516
Speaker 1: of the industry, like you're gonna try to protect relationships

618
00:30:38,596 --> 00:30:42,676
Speaker 1: and you're gonna try to, you know, protect people, you know,

619
00:30:42,796 --> 00:30:45,676
Speaker 1: so you're not gonna have those opinions that you that

620
00:30:45,836 --> 00:30:50,036
Speaker 1: you probably once had that was good advice at the time.

621
00:30:50,796 --> 00:30:53,156
Speaker 1: I think that there's an adjustment to be made in

622
00:30:53,236 --> 00:30:55,916
Speaker 1: that rhetoric because it's gonna come a time where like

623
00:30:56,756 --> 00:30:59,516
Speaker 1: you're going to be industry yeah you get too big,

624
00:30:59,676 --> 00:31:02,396
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and everybody around you was gonna be industry

625
00:31:02,436 --> 00:31:04,636
Speaker 1: through I've been in the game for twenty five years,

626
00:31:05,156 --> 00:31:07,676
Speaker 1: so not only have I grown as a personality and

627
00:31:07,756 --> 00:31:15,116
Speaker 1: a businessman and a media just everything right, people around

628
00:31:15,196 --> 00:31:18,436
Speaker 1: me have to Now. I got people who run record label,

629
00:31:18,516 --> 00:31:20,516
Speaker 1: I got people who are in rs. I got people

630
00:31:20,556 --> 00:31:24,156
Speaker 1: who work at these social media platforms, you know what

631
00:31:24,196 --> 00:31:27,956
Speaker 1: I mean. I got friends that are artists in big celebrities,

632
00:31:27,956 --> 00:31:30,756
Speaker 1: we all. I've been doing it for twenty five years.

633
00:31:30,956 --> 00:31:33,356
Speaker 1: We all came up together, and not only just the

634
00:31:33,436 --> 00:31:37,196
Speaker 1: people I came up with, those next generations of people

635
00:31:37,316 --> 00:31:39,396
Speaker 1: that now I'm in position. But oh, I see this

636
00:31:39,516 --> 00:31:41,796
Speaker 1: person coming. Let me embrace this in the VILDI and

637
00:31:41,836 --> 00:31:45,236
Speaker 1: brace that in the Viddle school. We're all industry, you

638
00:31:45,276 --> 00:31:47,796
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So your authentic self has to change.

639
00:31:47,836 --> 00:31:52,236
Speaker 1: It's like reasonable doubt was authentic for jay z or

640
00:31:52,316 --> 00:31:55,876
Speaker 1: four authentic for jay Zay. What you just said hit

641
00:31:55,916 --> 00:31:59,196
Speaker 1: it on the head because people don't pay attention to that.

642
00:31:59,436 --> 00:32:03,916
Speaker 1: Like you saw me when I was one version of myself.

643
00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:08,316
Speaker 1: If I had stayed that version and never grown into

644
00:32:08,396 --> 00:32:11,796
Speaker 1: anything else, it's no way I'm being authentic, Yeah, Muhammad,

645
00:32:11,796 --> 00:32:13,636
Speaker 1: at least said the person who's doing the same thing

646
00:32:13,676 --> 00:32:15,956
Speaker 1: at fifty that he was at twenty wasted thirty years

647
00:32:15,996 --> 00:32:19,196
Speaker 1: of his fucking Ain't I believe that, you know what

648
00:32:19,276 --> 00:32:21,676
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just like you're I'm never going to

649
00:32:21,836 --> 00:32:23,596
Speaker 1: be that version again. But the only thing I could

650
00:32:23,596 --> 00:32:27,276
Speaker 1: do is be the best version of my authentic self,

651
00:32:27,556 --> 00:32:31,236
Speaker 1: whatever that may be, whatever I grow into, you know,

652
00:32:31,436 --> 00:32:33,276
Speaker 1: And like that's why me at forty four, you got

653
00:32:33,356 --> 00:32:34,716
Speaker 1: damn right, I'm not the same way I was at

654
00:32:34,756 --> 00:32:37,836
Speaker 1: thirty one. I better not be. I mean, I'm my true,

655
00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:40,956
Speaker 1: authentic self right now. And you know, you realize like

656
00:32:41,036 --> 00:32:43,956
Speaker 1: the power of the platform, and what I mean by

657
00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:46,636
Speaker 1: that is like, man, this's just certain things that we

658
00:32:46,756 --> 00:32:50,836
Speaker 1: got to protect people from because we have these platforms,

659
00:32:50,876 --> 00:32:54,316
Speaker 1: and sometimes the wrong information is viewed over the platform,

660
00:32:54,476 --> 00:32:58,316
Speaker 1: you know, and people get hurt because of that, you know.

661
00:32:58,516 --> 00:33:00,356
Speaker 1: And I'm not in the business of hurting nobody. I

662
00:33:00,396 --> 00:33:02,996
Speaker 1: don't want to hurt nobody, and I don't want the

663
00:33:03,116 --> 00:33:07,916
Speaker 1: person putting out the information to be hurt. Yeah, you know. So, yeah,

664
00:33:08,036 --> 00:33:10,156
Speaker 1: well that's interesting because and I don't know if this

665
00:33:10,316 --> 00:33:13,516
Speaker 1: was necessarily this person being hurt by you. But after

666
00:33:13,636 --> 00:33:17,196
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams, you get your own show in Philly and

667
00:33:17,556 --> 00:33:20,676
Speaker 1: you get fired because you bring Beanie siegal on, who's

668
00:33:20,716 --> 00:33:23,036
Speaker 1: a who's a Philly rapper. Yeah, if I tell me

669
00:33:23,076 --> 00:33:24,356
Speaker 1: if I'm not getting a story right, if you bring

670
00:33:24,396 --> 00:33:26,916
Speaker 1: on Beanie Segul, who's a Philly rapper at one point

671
00:33:26,956 --> 00:33:30,076
Speaker 1: was signed to Rockefeller Records, came up under Jay jay

672
00:33:30,196 --> 00:33:34,156
Speaker 1: Z and you do an interview with beans on the show,

673
00:33:34,676 --> 00:33:37,556
Speaker 1: and he said something about Jayla makes Jay madd and

674
00:33:37,876 --> 00:33:40,316
Speaker 1: you get get fired. That, Yeah, that's the story. The

675
00:33:40,396 --> 00:33:44,516
Speaker 1: story is that I got fired because Beanie Segul got

676
00:33:44,596 --> 00:33:47,996
Speaker 1: on the air and aired out jay Z and I'm

677
00:33:48,036 --> 00:33:49,876
Speaker 1: the one who recorded it and I put it on air.

678
00:33:49,996 --> 00:33:51,916
Speaker 1: That's the story. I don't know if that's true or not.

679
00:33:53,236 --> 00:33:56,796
Speaker 1: Jay never has confirmed what Jay. Jay never confirmed or

680
00:33:56,836 --> 00:33:59,996
Speaker 1: denied on air. Behind the scenes, he has said to

681
00:34:00,076 --> 00:34:02,276
Speaker 1: me like that that really gets you fired, Like, you

682
00:34:02,316 --> 00:34:05,796
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's the story, right, I don't.

683
00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:07,796
Speaker 1: I doubt that's highly the case, you know what I mean?

684
00:34:07,836 --> 00:34:10,236
Speaker 1: What I think back then, I think, um I had

685
00:34:10,396 --> 00:34:12,956
Speaker 1: a new program director was hired, and I think that

686
00:34:13,036 --> 00:34:15,156
Speaker 1: new program director just wanted to bring in his people,

687
00:34:15,476 --> 00:34:18,196
Speaker 1: and that new program director like he don't know, he

688
00:34:18,236 --> 00:34:19,596
Speaker 1: had his chest out a little bit. I remember the

689
00:34:19,636 --> 00:34:20,836
Speaker 1: first time I met him, he was like, oh, me,

690
00:34:20,876 --> 00:34:22,796
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be able to get along. So he

691
00:34:22,876 --> 00:34:25,196
Speaker 1: came in there on some like snapping the whip ship,

692
00:34:25,316 --> 00:34:27,996
Speaker 1: let me get this guy in line type thing. And

693
00:34:28,076 --> 00:34:31,476
Speaker 1: I think that um, it was a combination of just

694
00:34:31,676 --> 00:34:33,796
Speaker 1: him being new and wanting to bring in his own people,

695
00:34:34,116 --> 00:34:36,996
Speaker 1: but also a combination of people thinking they're doing the

696
00:34:37,196 --> 00:34:40,676
Speaker 1: right thing for jay Z. But jay Z's not even

697
00:34:40,756 --> 00:34:43,436
Speaker 1: thinking about this, He's you know what I mean. It's

698
00:34:43,476 --> 00:34:45,596
Speaker 1: one of those things like I know, I know Charlotmagne

699
00:34:45,636 --> 00:34:47,076
Speaker 1: did it, but we got rid of Charlomagne and you

700
00:34:47,156 --> 00:34:48,956
Speaker 1: let Jay know I did it whatever whatever you know.

701
00:34:49,276 --> 00:34:50,636
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know. I do feel like

702
00:34:50,716 --> 00:34:54,956
Speaker 1: maybe a higher up might have might have just pulled

703
00:34:54,996 --> 00:34:57,636
Speaker 1: the trigger on that firing just to get in Jay's

704
00:34:57,676 --> 00:35:00,516
Speaker 1: good graces. But I don't think that was a hey,

705
00:35:00,636 --> 00:35:02,556
Speaker 1: I'm jay Z, I'm offended, body, just get this guy

706
00:35:02,596 --> 00:35:05,476
Speaker 1: off the air thing. No, I don't believe that at all. Okay, okay,

707
00:35:06,076 --> 00:35:07,956
Speaker 1: but that does get you fired. And that was your

708
00:35:07,996 --> 00:35:09,676
Speaker 1: own I mean, that's like your own show in Philly.

709
00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:11,276
Speaker 1: That's like and if your first time having like your

710
00:35:11,316 --> 00:35:14,756
Speaker 1: own show, that's like, yeah, that's that big that I

711
00:35:14,876 --> 00:35:17,596
Speaker 1: was killing. I was number I think two in the market.

712
00:35:17,636 --> 00:35:19,236
Speaker 1: I was number two in the market at the time,

713
00:35:19,436 --> 00:35:22,436
Speaker 1: and that was in a PPM world, so I was

714
00:35:22,676 --> 00:35:24,756
Speaker 1: I was doing great and it was literally just me

715
00:35:24,836 --> 00:35:27,676
Speaker 1: and my homegirl s I should shoot to Sasha Katie,

716
00:35:27,676 --> 00:35:29,116
Speaker 1: that's the homie, you know what I mean? She we

717
00:35:29,196 --> 00:35:30,916
Speaker 1: used to work together when I used to work at

718
00:35:30,956 --> 00:35:33,436
Speaker 1: Wendy at WBLS, and so when I got my own

719
00:35:33,476 --> 00:35:35,676
Speaker 1: show in Philly, just asked, Yo, you want to be

720
00:35:35,756 --> 00:35:38,396
Speaker 1: my producer and she was like, hell yeah. So we

721
00:35:38,556 --> 00:35:42,836
Speaker 1: literally would drive from New Jersey every morning back and

722
00:35:42,996 --> 00:35:46,436
Speaker 1: forth the Pennsylvania like like an hour and a half away.

723
00:35:46,636 --> 00:35:50,556
Speaker 1: We would drive back and forth every day. Three I

724
00:35:50,636 --> 00:35:52,516
Speaker 1: have to get up at three in the morning, pick

725
00:35:52,556 --> 00:35:54,636
Speaker 1: her up by like four three thirty four o'clock to

726
00:35:54,716 --> 00:35:58,956
Speaker 1: be there on time. And we did that every single day, wow,

727
00:35:59,276 --> 00:36:02,476
Speaker 1: for like six seven months the Funny Parties. I got

728
00:36:02,556 --> 00:36:04,796
Speaker 1: fired to day I was supposed to move into the

729
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:07,596
Speaker 1: townhouse because I was still living in New Jersey. So

730
00:36:08,196 --> 00:36:11,516
Speaker 1: me and my wife had got a townhouse, and I'm like, yeah,

731
00:36:11,516 --> 00:36:13,116
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. Now. I gotta wake up

732
00:36:13,156 --> 00:36:14,876
Speaker 1: sore early, like I don't have to drive. Like I'm

733
00:36:14,916 --> 00:36:17,196
Speaker 1: in my basket. I'm processing all this in my mind.

734
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:19,436
Speaker 1: We were living in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, on the

735
00:36:19,476 --> 00:36:22,876
Speaker 1: outskirts of Philadelphia. Go and roll my daughter in school here,

736
00:36:22,956 --> 00:36:26,236
Speaker 1: all of that type of ship. And the day I

737
00:36:26,316 --> 00:36:29,316
Speaker 1: got fired, I literally had all my stuff in the

738
00:36:29,436 --> 00:36:31,676
Speaker 1: fucking I had a two thousand and two escalated with

739
00:36:31,796 --> 00:36:34,036
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty thousand miles on it, and

740
00:36:34,076 --> 00:36:37,116
Speaker 1: I had all that in the in the car ready

741
00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:39,716
Speaker 1: to move into the townhouse. And I got fired on

742
00:36:39,916 --> 00:36:44,156
Speaker 1: that day, literally that day, and went back to South Carolina,

743
00:36:44,876 --> 00:36:46,636
Speaker 1: back in Most Corner for a year. And what was

744
00:36:46,676 --> 00:36:50,556
Speaker 1: going through your hat at that point, failure, I failed.

745
00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:53,756
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to the Monsts corner. After being

746
00:36:54,476 --> 00:36:57,716
Speaker 1: you know, on Windy Show, after having my own show

747
00:36:57,756 --> 00:37:01,116
Speaker 1: in Philly, after having these viral moments, after being on

748
00:37:01,316 --> 00:37:03,996
Speaker 1: VH one TV with Windy. Now I got to go

749
00:37:04,036 --> 00:37:07,156
Speaker 1: back to the Mons Corner and collect unemployment for real,

750
00:37:07,156 --> 00:37:11,036
Speaker 1: because I don't know when I'm gonna get another gig.

751
00:37:11,156 --> 00:37:14,276
Speaker 1: And now I got a daughter. So I literally was

752
00:37:14,316 --> 00:37:18,996
Speaker 1: in South Carolina from November two thousand and nine to

753
00:37:19,156 --> 00:37:22,116
Speaker 1: November two and ten, so I was able to collect

754
00:37:22,116 --> 00:37:24,956
Speaker 1: a year of unemployment. You know what I mean. I'm

755
00:37:24,996 --> 00:37:28,116
Speaker 1: living at home with my mom, depressed, this shit, you know,

756
00:37:28,516 --> 00:37:32,036
Speaker 1: anxiety through the roof, just trying to figure out what's

757
00:37:32,076 --> 00:37:34,356
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But you know, I used that opportunity to

758
00:37:36,156 --> 00:37:39,116
Speaker 1: There was a new station launching in Charleston, South Carolina.

759
00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:40,516
Speaker 1: It was called The Box. I think it was like

760
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:43,156
Speaker 1: ninety two five The Box or something like that. So

761
00:37:43,276 --> 00:37:45,236
Speaker 1: I was there with them, helping them launch the station,

762
00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:49,236
Speaker 1: helping them write promos and creating imaging for the station.

763
00:37:49,356 --> 00:37:52,316
Speaker 1: I did the voiceovers for the station. Like in my mind,

764
00:37:52,356 --> 00:37:54,396
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna end up getting a

765
00:37:54,476 --> 00:37:57,436
Speaker 1: shift on ninety two five. I'm gonna make my twenty

766
00:37:57,516 --> 00:38:00,476
Speaker 1: grand a year here in South Carolina, and we're gonna

767
00:38:00,476 --> 00:38:03,196
Speaker 1: live a great life. Yeah, that was my mindseting. But

768
00:38:03,396 --> 00:38:06,476
Speaker 1: you know, clearly God had other plans because the Breakfast

769
00:38:06,516 --> 00:38:11,876
Speaker 1: Club came shortly after that. How did I come? Um,

770
00:38:11,996 --> 00:38:14,196
Speaker 1: When I was in Philly, there was a there was

771
00:38:14,236 --> 00:38:16,596
Speaker 1: a time where I had met with my man g

772
00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,556
Speaker 1: Spen Um before me and g Spen met in a

773
00:38:19,636 --> 00:38:22,636
Speaker 1: restaurant or something. It was me and at the time

774
00:38:22,756 --> 00:38:25,996
Speaker 1: my then uh my then manager named it was Kevin

775
00:38:26,036 --> 00:38:29,556
Speaker 1: Wendy's husband, and you know, you don't have the best

776
00:38:29,596 --> 00:38:32,636
Speaker 1: reputation in the business man, and so even though we met,

777
00:38:33,396 --> 00:38:37,396
Speaker 1: g Spen wasn't really feeling it. And then later on

778
00:38:37,556 --> 00:38:39,836
Speaker 1: that turned into a meeting with my man Cadillac Jack

779
00:38:40,236 --> 00:38:42,156
Speaker 1: and keV was with me then and it was the

780
00:38:42,236 --> 00:38:44,356
Speaker 1: same thing. Like literally, I found out that after we

781
00:38:44,516 --> 00:38:48,316
Speaker 1: left the meeting, mad people came from like the sales

782
00:38:48,756 --> 00:38:52,356
Speaker 1: department and was like, you cannot Charlotta Magne's great, but

783
00:38:52,476 --> 00:38:54,956
Speaker 1: if as long as you know Kevin is his manager,

784
00:38:55,076 --> 00:38:57,396
Speaker 1: you know, we can't hire him, and YadA, YadA YadA,

785
00:38:57,836 --> 00:38:59,556
Speaker 1: the energy will be bad and terrible all of this

786
00:38:59,676 --> 00:39:02,316
Speaker 1: type of stuff. I didn't know that, you know. And

787
00:39:02,396 --> 00:39:04,596
Speaker 1: then you know, me and Kevin ended up having a

788
00:39:04,636 --> 00:39:08,636
Speaker 1: fallen out parting ways. And so I was in New

789
00:39:08,716 --> 00:39:10,436
Speaker 1: York because I had moved back to South Carolina, but

790
00:39:10,476 --> 00:39:12,836
Speaker 1: I was in New York for a couple of days,

791
00:39:12,956 --> 00:39:17,156
Speaker 1: and I remember just texting g Spinning like Yo, you

792
00:39:17,236 --> 00:39:20,036
Speaker 1: know where you at? And he was like, I'm in

793
00:39:20,076 --> 00:39:22,236
Speaker 1: New York where you at? Like, I'm in Jersey right now.

794
00:39:22,236 --> 00:39:23,756
Speaker 1: I was standing in Fort Lee. I was at the

795
00:39:23,796 --> 00:39:26,156
Speaker 1: Double Tree in four League and he was like, yo, man,

796
00:39:27,876 --> 00:39:30,596
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, come to the station. I'm like

797
00:39:30,676 --> 00:39:32,356
Speaker 1: where He's like, yeah, yeah, come to the station, Come

798
00:39:32,356 --> 00:39:35,156
Speaker 1: to the station right now. And so I got in

799
00:39:35,516 --> 00:39:38,276
Speaker 1: the rental car drove seeing It took me like three

800
00:39:38,316 --> 00:39:40,156
Speaker 1: hours to get there because it was like four o'clock

801
00:39:40,236 --> 00:39:42,676
Speaker 1: in the aftern Yeah, So we was at the GW

802
00:39:42,916 --> 00:39:44,676
Speaker 1: Bridge for what seemed like an hour and trying to

803
00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,156
Speaker 1: get down the West side, creeping down to Tribeca. But

804
00:39:47,316 --> 00:39:50,276
Speaker 1: I finally get there and g spinn is like, Yo,

805
00:39:51,676 --> 00:39:55,756
Speaker 1: my boss, Cadillac, Jack has been watching your stuff all

806
00:39:55,916 --> 00:39:58,956
Speaker 1: day long, watching you and Duval with the Hood, State

807
00:39:59,036 --> 00:40:01,436
Speaker 1: of the Union and listening under like some old interviews

808
00:40:01,556 --> 00:40:03,716
Speaker 1: when he was on the radio in Philly. So I

809
00:40:03,756 --> 00:40:05,636
Speaker 1: sit down with Cadillac, and me and Cadillac just have

810
00:40:05,716 --> 00:40:07,556
Speaker 1: a great conversation. And one of the first things he

811
00:40:07,596 --> 00:40:10,596
Speaker 1: says to me is like, you know, is keV still

812
00:40:10,636 --> 00:40:16,236
Speaker 1: you're managing? I'm like, nah, you know. And that's how

813
00:40:16,276 --> 00:40:20,636
Speaker 1: the relationship started. So like a few months later, I

814
00:40:20,716 --> 00:40:22,556
Speaker 1: got high on probably one or five one. I mean,

815
00:40:22,596 --> 00:40:24,436
Speaker 1: I remember Catillac saying like, how long can you wait

816
00:40:24,476 --> 00:40:26,836
Speaker 1: for this job? And I'm like, for this job as

817
00:40:26,916 --> 00:40:29,876
Speaker 1: long as it takes. And so like five six months later,

818
00:40:30,636 --> 00:40:32,796
Speaker 1: you know, the wheels really started to move where you

819
00:40:32,836 --> 00:40:34,636
Speaker 1: want them. That whole five six months, Like yo, like,

820
00:40:34,756 --> 00:40:38,796
Speaker 1: oh yes, yeah, you couldn't just sit back and no, no, no,

821
00:40:38,876 --> 00:40:42,156
Speaker 1: definitely stayed in touch, would send him new episodes of

822
00:40:42,236 --> 00:40:45,036
Speaker 1: Me and the Wall Show, you know, just just anything,

823
00:40:45,116 --> 00:40:47,516
Speaker 1: anything that I was doing in that space, I would

824
00:40:47,516 --> 00:40:49,796
Speaker 1: because we was early on social media. We was all

825
00:40:49,836 --> 00:40:52,716
Speaker 1: over my Space and Twitter and everything else. So yeah,

826
00:40:52,836 --> 00:40:56,276
Speaker 1: like I was definitely keeping in real touch with him

827
00:40:56,316 --> 00:40:58,156
Speaker 1: and g Span, you know what I mean, and sometimes

828
00:40:58,596 --> 00:41:01,996
Speaker 1: popping up, popping up, you know, and be like because

829
00:41:01,996 --> 00:41:04,036
Speaker 1: I knew kind of like the gig might be mine.

830
00:41:04,116 --> 00:41:05,836
Speaker 1: So I was kind of like popping up. And it

831
00:41:05,916 --> 00:41:08,516
Speaker 1: felt bad because there was like people who I was

832
00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:11,436
Speaker 1: like really cool with that work there, and I couldn't

833
00:41:11,476 --> 00:41:16,876
Speaker 1: say anything, you know about the conversations me and Cadillac

834
00:41:16,956 --> 00:41:19,436
Speaker 1: we're having, you know what I mean, And I had

835
00:41:19,476 --> 00:41:22,076
Speaker 1: to like lie to some of these people, and it

836
00:41:22,196 --> 00:41:24,876
Speaker 1: felt bad, you know what I mean, because I just

837
00:41:24,916 --> 00:41:29,116
Speaker 1: couldn't tell the truth because it's business still to be handled,

838
00:41:29,156 --> 00:41:32,436
Speaker 1: you know. So but yeah, that's how I got there.

839
00:41:32,996 --> 00:41:35,156
Speaker 1: It's amazing, man. And then and then basically from that,

840
00:41:35,396 --> 00:41:37,716
Speaker 1: I mean, from that point, are you still there obviously

841
00:41:38,396 --> 00:41:41,596
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club? Yeah, thirteen years later, man. And what's so

842
00:41:41,756 --> 00:41:44,356
Speaker 1: interesting is that any of them would tell you. Angelie

843
00:41:44,436 --> 00:41:47,196
Speaker 1: will tell you, NBA will tell you, our radio consultant,

844
00:41:47,196 --> 00:41:50,316
Speaker 1: Dennis Clark, g Spen, Cadillac, I was the guy saying

845
00:41:50,756 --> 00:41:53,956
Speaker 1: We're gonna be one of the biggest nationally syndicated shows

846
00:41:53,956 --> 00:41:56,756
Speaker 1: in the country. Like like I just I knew it.

847
00:41:56,876 --> 00:42:00,796
Speaker 1: I saw what this show had the potential of being.

848
00:42:00,836 --> 00:42:04,316
Speaker 1: And like from day one, me Vy Angela, we always

849
00:42:04,356 --> 00:42:07,516
Speaker 1: recorded our interviews and put them online. That's how I

850
00:42:07,676 --> 00:42:09,796
Speaker 1: was aware of what Angelie was doing. I was aware

851
00:42:09,796 --> 00:42:12,276
Speaker 1: of what you know, Envy was doing. You know, people

852
00:42:12,356 --> 00:42:14,756
Speaker 1: like my homegirl, Kendrew g deVie Brown, we were all

853
00:42:14,956 --> 00:42:17,876
Speaker 1: utilizing the internet. And so when we got with the

854
00:42:17,916 --> 00:42:20,316
Speaker 1: Breklast Club, that's all. We didn't have no money from marketing.

855
00:42:20,356 --> 00:42:22,396
Speaker 1: They don't have no money for marketing, no money for promotions.

856
00:42:22,756 --> 00:42:25,036
Speaker 1: This was kind of like a last ditch thing to

857
00:42:25,156 --> 00:42:27,756
Speaker 1: see if something will work, to even keep the lights

858
00:42:27,836 --> 00:42:30,156
Speaker 1: on that power one oh five one, and so all

859
00:42:30,196 --> 00:42:32,276
Speaker 1: we asked for was a cameraman every day to come

860
00:42:32,316 --> 00:42:35,396
Speaker 1: in here and record, you know, these interviews. And that's

861
00:42:35,436 --> 00:42:37,876
Speaker 1: what we did. We started recording these interviews, putting them

862
00:42:37,956 --> 00:42:40,916
Speaker 1: up online, recording these interviews, putting them on websites. And

863
00:42:40,956 --> 00:42:43,516
Speaker 1: then at the time all these blogs and the World

864
00:42:43,636 --> 00:42:46,716
Speaker 1: Stars and all of these different platforms, these these websites

865
00:42:46,796 --> 00:42:51,196
Speaker 1: existed sending our interviews out, they started posting them. Yeah,

866
00:42:51,596 --> 00:42:56,436
Speaker 1: next thing you know, it took off in a real way,

867
00:42:56,876 --> 00:42:59,116
Speaker 1: and here we are. How do you how do you

868
00:42:59,396 --> 00:43:01,356
Speaker 1: manage that? Like, how do you manage the expectation of

869
00:43:01,396 --> 00:43:03,756
Speaker 1: how do you manage the success? How do you manage

870
00:43:04,476 --> 00:43:06,996
Speaker 1: what is just out of reach at the moment that's

871
00:43:07,036 --> 00:43:08,996
Speaker 1: that's gonna be coming up for you? I manage it

872
00:43:09,156 --> 00:43:12,756
Speaker 1: just about like realizing what my daddy always said, You're

873
00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:14,036
Speaker 1: never as good as it say you are, and you're

874
00:43:14,036 --> 00:43:15,396
Speaker 1: never as bad as it say you are. Like I've

875
00:43:15,396 --> 00:43:18,876
Speaker 1: already had my moments of like ego. I've had my

876
00:43:19,076 --> 00:43:25,356
Speaker 1: moments of like being that narcissistic, arrogant person that you know,

877
00:43:25,556 --> 00:43:29,556
Speaker 1: you can't tell anything too. Whether people realize that or not,

878
00:43:29,716 --> 00:43:31,796
Speaker 1: I'm sure that they did, because I'm sure I projected it,

879
00:43:31,876 --> 00:43:34,316
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I went through that,

880
00:43:34,916 --> 00:43:38,316
Speaker 1: and I went through that at a time where, like God,

881
00:43:38,436 --> 00:43:40,476
Speaker 1: knew I had to get over that in order to

882
00:43:40,556 --> 00:43:45,716
Speaker 1: be where I am now. So I knew that I

883
00:43:45,836 --> 00:43:49,116
Speaker 1: had to start doing some work on myself. I was

884
00:43:49,196 --> 00:43:52,876
Speaker 1: really becoming everything that I said I didn't like, you know,

885
00:43:53,116 --> 00:43:55,676
Speaker 1: I was looking in the mirror and really becoming my father.

886
00:43:55,876 --> 00:43:58,676
Speaker 1: I loved my father, but I hated how my father's

887
00:43:58,996 --> 00:44:05,036
Speaker 1: infidelity ruined his marriage with my mom, you know, and

888
00:44:05,196 --> 00:44:09,476
Speaker 1: ruined our family. Right. So for me, I didn't want

889
00:44:09,476 --> 00:44:12,796
Speaker 1: to do that, and I felt myself going down that

890
00:44:12,996 --> 00:44:15,636
Speaker 1: path in a real way. So it was just like,

891
00:44:15,916 --> 00:44:19,316
Speaker 1: let me check myself before I wreck myself. You know, yeah,

892
00:44:20,756 --> 00:44:23,196
Speaker 1: why let you go? Man? Last question, if you can

893
00:44:23,236 --> 00:44:25,556
Speaker 1: pick out one thing that's helped you be successful, that's

894
00:44:25,556 --> 00:44:28,596
Speaker 1: sort of been with you through every period of your career,

895
00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:34,476
Speaker 1: what do you think that thing would be? Man? For me,

896
00:44:34,596 --> 00:44:37,356
Speaker 1: it would like to really be authentic. And what I

897
00:44:37,436 --> 00:44:40,356
Speaker 1: mean by that is you're not authentic when you're being

898
00:44:40,396 --> 00:44:44,996
Speaker 1: a character to yourself. You're not authentic when you see

899
00:44:45,076 --> 00:44:47,556
Speaker 1: something working for you and you're getting rewarded for it,

900
00:44:47,716 --> 00:44:51,676
Speaker 1: so you start doubling and trippling down on that thing.

901
00:44:52,916 --> 00:44:57,076
Speaker 1: You're not authentic when you're being a second rate version

902
00:44:57,156 --> 00:44:59,836
Speaker 1: of somebody else instead of a first rate version of yourself.

903
00:44:59,876 --> 00:45:01,716
Speaker 1: And one of the things that hurt me to most

904
00:45:01,796 --> 00:45:03,796
Speaker 1: is when they started calling me to hip hop Howard Stern.

905
00:45:04,356 --> 00:45:07,596
Speaker 1: I love Howard Stern, right, but I didn't even stop

906
00:45:07,636 --> 00:45:09,996
Speaker 1: to think why they were calling me that. I just

907
00:45:10,556 --> 00:45:13,556
Speaker 1: took it and ran with it, you know, and started

908
00:45:13,716 --> 00:45:18,196
Speaker 1: giving them like all of the examples of Howard that

909
00:45:18,276 --> 00:45:20,796
Speaker 1: Howard might not even be proud of now, you know.

910
00:45:20,956 --> 00:45:22,996
Speaker 1: For me, it was like a lot of the the

911
00:45:23,436 --> 00:45:30,716
Speaker 1: frat boy, creepy ass, overly sexual humor, you know, like

912
00:45:30,996 --> 00:45:35,516
Speaker 1: the low vibrational energy is what I was really doing,

913
00:45:35,596 --> 00:45:37,316
Speaker 1: the limbo with how low can you go? You know

914
00:45:37,356 --> 00:45:40,036
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like literally, like how low can you go?

915
00:45:40,436 --> 00:45:43,276
Speaker 1: Like literally, And that's the type of shit I was doing.

916
00:45:43,356 --> 00:45:45,036
Speaker 1: So like when you go online and you see like

917
00:45:45,156 --> 00:45:48,636
Speaker 1: videos of me like sniffing chairs or like tying porn

918
00:45:48,836 --> 00:45:52,036
Speaker 1: stars up and all of that, it was literally for

919
00:45:52,276 --> 00:45:55,516
Speaker 1: the shock. Yeah, And so like that stuck with me

920
00:45:55,596 --> 00:45:58,756
Speaker 1: for like, man, maybe maybe a year or two I

921
00:45:58,956 --> 00:46:02,716
Speaker 1: was on that and then just started to eat me up, Like, Yo,

922
00:46:02,796 --> 00:46:05,236
Speaker 1: this ain't making me happy. This shit is whacked. And

923
00:46:05,356 --> 00:46:07,476
Speaker 1: you got your you know, your wife. You know I

924
00:46:07,556 --> 00:46:10,316
Speaker 1: got married in twenty fourteen, so you got your wife

925
00:46:10,396 --> 00:46:11,956
Speaker 1: on your head at the time. She's my girl, Like

926
00:46:11,996 --> 00:46:14,476
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? Like you know, you

927
00:46:14,596 --> 00:46:17,836
Speaker 1: out here wilding, you cheating on like me and you

928
00:46:17,956 --> 00:46:20,796
Speaker 1: you're on the radio and you're damn it bragging about

929
00:46:20,876 --> 00:46:24,036
Speaker 1: word of the ball like it was that type of conversation.

930
00:46:24,116 --> 00:46:25,636
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, are you tripping? Like you know you

931
00:46:26,036 --> 00:46:28,236
Speaker 1: it's just entertainment. That was my life. It's just entertainment.

932
00:46:28,276 --> 00:46:30,916
Speaker 1: But it's not. Yeah, it's really not, you know, because

933
00:46:30,956 --> 00:46:33,556
Speaker 1: you know, but when you're influencing mad people, and in

934
00:46:33,636 --> 00:46:35,756
Speaker 1: this case, I'm hurting somebody and hurting the person that's

935
00:46:36,556 --> 00:46:38,996
Speaker 1: the closest to me, and you can start to believe

936
00:46:39,076 --> 00:46:41,556
Speaker 1: your own bullshit. That's the worst. When you get in

937
00:46:41,596 --> 00:46:44,596
Speaker 1: the character and you start believing that you really are

938
00:46:44,796 --> 00:46:47,436
Speaker 1: this dude. So it's like for me, man, that's what

939
00:46:47,556 --> 00:46:51,476
Speaker 1: made me like really start like going to therapy and

940
00:46:51,556 --> 00:46:53,396
Speaker 1: like doing the work because I did not like the

941
00:46:53,596 --> 00:46:57,716
Speaker 1: version of myself that I was becoming. So my advice

942
00:46:57,796 --> 00:47:02,676
Speaker 1: to anybody would just to just be authentic. Always leave

943
00:47:02,756 --> 00:47:06,076
Speaker 1: yourself open to growth, and don't be afraid of where

944
00:47:06,156 --> 00:47:08,436
Speaker 1: that growth takes you. I don't give a fuck what

945
00:47:08,636 --> 00:47:12,596
Speaker 1: people about you today. If you're growing into something else tomorrow,

946
00:47:12,916 --> 00:47:15,916
Speaker 1: follow that shit, you know what I mean, Because if

947
00:47:15,956 --> 00:47:19,476
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, you're you're really just stunting your

948
00:47:19,516 --> 00:47:22,996
Speaker 1: growth and you really don't know how big you could

949
00:47:23,036 --> 00:47:26,796
Speaker 1: possibly be you're putting a cap on you, like you're

950
00:47:26,876 --> 00:47:31,436
Speaker 1: literally putting a limit on how far you could possibly grow,

951
00:47:31,516 --> 00:47:34,476
Speaker 1: how big you could get, because you're like, Nope, that's

952
00:47:34,476 --> 00:47:36,156
Speaker 1: what they like about me, So I'm gonna keep it

953
00:47:36,236 --> 00:47:39,036
Speaker 1: here as opposed to just leaving yourself open to see

954
00:47:39,556 --> 00:47:42,036
Speaker 1: what else is out there and how much more you

955
00:47:42,116 --> 00:47:44,236
Speaker 1: could continue to grow. So that's what I tell people.

956
00:47:44,316 --> 00:47:48,676
Speaker 1: Be authentic, man, and just don't be afraid to grow. Yeah, yeah, man,

957
00:47:48,796 --> 00:47:50,876
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing your authentic self to everything, man. I

958
00:47:51,076 --> 00:47:58,036
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thanks, man, appreciate Charlemagne, through the ups and

959
00:47:58,116 --> 00:48:00,276
Speaker 1: downs of building a media career and one of the

960
00:48:00,396 --> 00:48:04,076
Speaker 1: most cut throat of mediums radio, has shown up ready

961
00:48:04,116 --> 00:48:06,796
Speaker 1: to bring his full self to whatever it is he does.

962
00:48:07,356 --> 00:48:11,196
Speaker 1: And the brilliant of that is he's been impossible to ignore.

963
00:48:11,836 --> 00:48:13,676
Speaker 1: I want to thank him for that confidence and for

964
00:48:13,756 --> 00:48:16,196
Speaker 1: taking the time to talk with me. I plan on

965
00:48:16,276 --> 00:48:18,676
Speaker 1: spending more time working on my fear of being rejected

966
00:48:18,956 --> 00:48:21,476
Speaker 1: just for being me. Thanks for listening to start it

967
00:48:21,516 --> 00:48:25,636
Speaker 1: from the bottom, I'm out. Started from the Bottom is

968
00:48:25,676 --> 00:48:29,916
Speaker 1: produced by David Jah, edited by Keishaw Williams, Engineered by

969
00:48:29,996 --> 00:48:33,836
Speaker 1: Ben Holliday, Booked by Lord Morgan with production help from

970
00:48:33,956 --> 00:48:38,196
Speaker 1: Lea Rose. The show's executive produced by Jacob Boldstein, who's

971
00:48:38,236 --> 00:48:41,916
Speaker 1: not all up in the videos for Pushkin Industries. Our

972
00:48:41,956 --> 00:48:44,676
Speaker 1: theme music is by Ben Holliday and David jaf featuring

973
00:48:44,716 --> 00:48:48,116
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974
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