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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're all staying in shape

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Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. Here in the Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: podcast studio. I'm Greg Rosenthal. We got a full house,

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Speaker 1: we got an all star cast today. To my right,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Claibon, to my left, Jordan rod Reeg and for

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Speaker 1: the first time I think since the season ended, Colleen

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Speaker 2: Hello, what is up. Great to be here, Great to

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Speaker 2: see you all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we were doing it in various states of the

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Speaker 3: country and the football activities of the country.

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Speaker 4: It is happening. There is news.

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Speaker 1: We've got trades, we've got tags, we've got everything. We've

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Speaker 1: got Aaron Rodgers speaking on Pat McAfee right now, and

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Speaker 1: I figured, oh, some news is going to happen about that.

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Speaker 4: But he's just like yammering on.

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Speaker 2: So we'll find see talking about Greg.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: We found out during the show apparently though his wife

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Speaker 1: has been located.

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Speaker 4: You told me shout out to.

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Speaker 3: The Sports Gossip Show if you guys missed that episode

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Speaker 3: they did. I think your respectful job of not revealing

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Speaker 3: the identity but have tracked her down. Show Charlotte Wilder

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Speaker 3: and Madeline I'm so sorry, Madeline Hill, I think is

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Speaker 3: your last name.

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Speaker 2: They do a great job love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a conspiracy theorist unlike Aaron Rodgers, but that

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Speaker 4: I kind of enjoyed getting behind it.

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Speaker 5: And I appreciate their commitment to maintaining the privacy. As

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Speaker 5: we have seen, especially today, privacy is of the utmost

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Speaker 5: importance with regards to that religion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like oversharing, like who would do that?

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Speaker 5: I don't know who amongst that.

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Speaker 1: Colleen was barely in Indianapolis. They sent her to Friday

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Speaker 1: night and leave Sunday night or something like that. Here's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. It's gonna be nice quick show.

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna take a couple shows while we're here.

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Speaker 1: We have a big game that's coming up later in

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Speaker 1: the week, but we didn't want we wanted to leave

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Speaker 1: that as much time as possible. So this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a show where we talk about some big news

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Speaker 1: that happened on Tuesday and Wednesday. Were taping this Wednesday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and let's just get right to it. The Chiefs did

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Speaker 1: the thing that they do. The Rams did the thing

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Speaker 1: that they do, and that is acquire a missing piece

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Speaker 1: for their secondary when they're trying to make a run

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. And the thing for the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: that they do is trade away a big piece because

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Speaker 1: they can't afford all their good players because they have

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Speaker 1: so many good players, and they get some picks back.

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Speaker 1: In this case, they are trading Trent McDuffie, the cornerback,

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Speaker 1: to the Rams for a package including the twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: overall pick in this year's draft, the same pick, coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: that they got for the Tyreek Hill trade.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that?

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Speaker 4: Isn't that right back in the day twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: They get twenty ninth, a fifth, a sixth, and a

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Speaker 1: third round pick from twenty in twenty twenty seven. That's

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Speaker 1: what the Chiefs get back, a huge haul. Ian Rappaport

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Speaker 1: has that for NFL Network. It's a move that I

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Speaker 1: think makes sense for both sides. Jordan, why don't you

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Speaker 1: get us going on why it makes sense for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: Because they were a disaster, especially at the perimeter cornerback

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Speaker 3: positions last season, a year where they were contending for

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Speaker 2: Their intended schedule.

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Speaker 3: Back when they did their partial rebuild in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: He is absolutely a missing piece. It is the Rams

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Speaker 3: basically cycling back to an era that we are very

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Speaker 3: familiar with that actually started with a trade for two

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Speaker 3: cornerbacks Jalen Ramsey and Marcus Peters back after their first

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl run, and then they weren't able to get

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Speaker 3: the job done obviously that year, and then set up

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're done for that reason. I think

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Speaker 3: they so badly needed help on the perimeter that this

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think a McDuffie as a guy

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Speaker 1: who had his best season in the slot, like that

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Speaker 1: Trenton McDuffie's a dude. Since then, he's played on the outside,

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Speaker 1: mostly not been as good necessarily, but still very good.

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Speaker 4: Did have an injury last year.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it's a major concern that he missed

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Speaker 1: some time with a knee injury, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: a great fit McDuffie moving to the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Great fit, especially because it's a little reunion between McDuffie

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Speaker 2: Now that's what the Rams dB coach.

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Speaker 6: So this is a nice familiarity kind of built in already,

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Speaker 6: and that'll lead to some consistency, and obviously it gives

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Speaker 6: the Rams some draft flexibility too, because they already have

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Speaker 6: that other pick that Jordan had mentioned.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think back to the Lagarious Need trade,

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Speaker 5: but that was vastly a vastly different situation and you

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Speaker 5: had Trip McDuffie already there in the city. It's like,

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Speaker 5: the financial problems are actually problems when you have a

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Speaker 5: team that's trying to contend in the same capacity the

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Speaker 5: Kansas that he would like to. They haven't need at corner.

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Speaker 5: So many teams haven't need at corner. And you let

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Speaker 5: Trip McDuffie leave after As you pointed out, Greg, he

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Speaker 5: has this versatility where he can play him in so

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Speaker 5: many different spots, kind of like the quintessential Spags corner

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Speaker 5: and now he's out, and like the whole onus being

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Speaker 5: on all right, guys, Brett, find another corner in Spags,

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Speaker 5: get another guy to the Pro Bowl. Like eventually, you're

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Speaker 5: not always going to be able to do that. Which

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Speaker 5: is why I love this trade for the Rams. Oh,

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I I like it for both sides. But and I

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Speaker 1: like the process for the Chiefs. When I saw that

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Speaker 1: many picks, I mean, the comp is not a lugarious

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Speaker 1: steed trade. You're right because of how young Trent McDuffie is,

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Speaker 1: and then also because of the compensation. It's very close

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Speaker 1: to the Tyreek Hill trade in terms of comp They

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Speaker 1: got two forts in that trade. Instead it's here, it's

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Speaker 1: like a fifth and a sixth. There was like a

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Speaker 1: second or a third, but either way, like that's a

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Speaker 1: it's a huge haul for a corner back, and it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a cheek code to have. Steve Spagnola, You're right.

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Speaker 1: They haven't found any other Trent McDuffie's, and I think

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Speaker 1: But I don't have questions about Spagnolo has turned a

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Speaker 1: they're spending too much money on George Karlofts and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think some of the moves

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Speaker 3: the Rams have made when they are in a contending

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Speaker 3: window often get critiqued for being high, high cost, right,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it's been pointed out by some and

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Speaker 3: also something that I was looking at this morning. Now,

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Speaker 3: every team uses their own analytics chart for draft compensation

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Speaker 3: and what capital equates to. In terms of the first

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Speaker 3: this would be pretty close to what that pick is

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Speaker 3: And we also see that the Rams they will much

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Speaker 3: prefer paying for guys who they have a known body

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Speaker 3: of data on as a pro versus drafting at that

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Speaker 3: position and developing over time they are ready to win. Now,

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Speaker 3: this team has never been afraid to push higher cost

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Speaker 3: win now. And I think there's a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a recency bias about him being a slot player. This

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Speaker 3: type of trade makes it very very clear. And their

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Speaker 3: deal that they gave to Quentin Lake as well, who

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Speaker 3: makes it very very clear that these two players are interchangeable,

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Speaker 3: but that we'll actually see Trent McDuffie on the outside

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Speaker 3: quite a bit at least to start, and he had

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Speaker 3: a really good season there in twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 3: think people forget I think he was like a second

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Speaker 4: I thought he was better this year.

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Speaker 1: I thought he struggled and he did not earn that

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Speaker 1: and he like you could like his size sometimes against

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Speaker 1: people on the outside. This year when he played in general,

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Speaker 1: like his metrics look better. I think he's been good

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Speaker 1: for the most part. And because that season stands out

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Speaker 1: I think of him as great at that. But the

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Speaker 1: last two seasons he has been on the outside. That's

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Speaker 1: where the Chiefs thought best to use him. And flexibility

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Speaker 1: is great. I do think they know the person and

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Speaker 1: they can put him in this like it's a great

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Speaker 1: problem to have that you have two extremely versatile guys.

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Speaker 1: I think, like worst case scenario, it is the most

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Speaker 1: unpredictable position in the NFL, and he is one of

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Speaker 1: the most predictable, like rock solid in the middle of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And for the Chiefs now, they're just signaling obviously

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Speaker 6: after last year with what they experienced, they're trying to

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Speaker 6: put at the emphasis on draft capital. So they have

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Speaker 6: a variety of needs that they can address now with

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Speaker 6: the extra picks, and it's just sort of a pattern

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Speaker 6: of them kind of avoiding these long term deals that

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Speaker 6: they usually don't love to do, especially on defense.

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Speaker 3: And great for the Rams because they can't draft corners.

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Speaker 3: Look at their recent they cannot draft corners. They can

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Speaker 3: trade for him and usually it has worked out. They

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Speaker 3: can't they cannot draft corners. One of their best corners

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Speaker 3: of the last few seasons was Darius Williams kind of

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Speaker 3: more in his prime years a few years ago, and

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Speaker 3: he was an undrafted free agent who was let go

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Speaker 3: and then came back into their building. They can't draft corners,

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Speaker 3: but they can pay for him.

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Speaker 5: And one thing that works on both sides of that

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Speaker 5: is Trup McDuffie was one of the youngest players in

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Speaker 5: his draft twenty five. He's younger than Kobe Turner. And

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Speaker 5: so if the Chiefs don't want to make a long

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Speaker 5: term investment in the Rams want to avoid draft in

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Speaker 5: a corner for a while, Hey, there we go. You're

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Speaker 5: chocolate them out peanut butter.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's why I wanted to start it. Whereas, like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good trade for both sides. It's

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Speaker 1: riskier for the Chiefs, but in general it's a high

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Speaker 1: wire act that they fell off of last year of

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Speaker 1: how they're trying to do this team build and they

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Speaker 1: need to find more draft picks like Trent McDuff Everyone

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Speaker 1: looks back to that Tyreko like.

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Speaker 4: It win draft corners, right, it works.

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Speaker 1: Out great because they end up with Krlaptus and McDuffie

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Speaker 1: in that draft and some other players. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they have not been hitting lately. That said, I've

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Speaker 1: seen some things about like, you know, this could be

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Speaker 1: a gap year for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: That was the thing is I think people have kind

440
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Speaker 1: of conflated these things.

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Speaker 4: He broke his leg. He actually played okay after he

442
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Speaker 4: broke his leg for.

443
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Speaker 5: Company acknowledging again it was insane that he was playing

444
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Speaker 5: with a broken legs.

445
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Speaker 2: He was playing with a broken leg.

446
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Speaker 1: Okay, the two games, the two starts before his broken

447
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Speaker 1: legs were by far his two worst games of the season.

448
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Speaker 1: He had two touchdowns in those games, he had ten

449
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Speaker 1: combined interceptions in fumbles.

450
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Speaker 4: He took twelve sacks.

451
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Speaker 1: You know, he was the lowest graded quarterback in the NFL,

452
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Speaker 1: according to PFF.

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Speaker 4: Broke his leg in one of those No No the

454
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Speaker 4: Chiefs game. I'm not counting here.

455
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Speaker 1: He actually played pretty well in the Like I'm not

456
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Speaker 1: I'm not counting the broken leg in the two completed

457
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Speaker 1: starts before he broke his leg were the two I.

458
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Speaker 2: Will find a reason why this happened, right.

459
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Speaker 1: All I mean is like I kind of wanted to

460
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Speaker 1: see how the league reacted to Daniel Jones and Stichen

461
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Speaker 1: and all that, and you didn't.

462
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Speaker 4: You didn't get me say what I wish.

463
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Speaker 3: I know, we loved it for content and for a show,

464
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Speaker 3: but I actually wish that they had not signed Philip

465
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Speaker 3: Rivers because I think there's some regret internally right about

466
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Speaker 3: not being able to see Riley Leonard.

467
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Speaker 5: Yes for more games and we and Yeah, that's that's

468
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Speaker 5: not hindsight. That was for sight.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just throw it out there, captain obvious.

470
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Speaker 4: And to point it out, we did say that at

471
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Speaker 4: the time too.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

473
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Speaker 3: This sucks, but it's tremendous contest.

474
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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard could be great. I kind of am excited

475
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Speaker 1: about that. You know who else could be great? That

476
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Speaker 1: Colleen's guy and Patrick's guy A rare co guy. I

477
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Speaker 1: mean Alec Pearce. You have got the phrases of Alec Pearce,

478
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Speaker 1: who now could hit free agency. Okay, if you if

479
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Speaker 1: you were making a top one o one rankings, would

480
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Speaker 1: he first of all, would you have put Kyler Murray

481
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Speaker 1: number one over Malik Willis? I, like, I already have

482
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Speaker 1: regrets that I did not. But and then, more to

483
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Speaker 1: the point, would you put a would you have put

484
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or Alec Pearce ahead of each other?

485
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Speaker 4: Like one, Alec Pearce is number five on my list?

486
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Speaker 5: I would have had them one too, obviously exceedingly biased.

487
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Speaker 4: In that order.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray one, Pierce too. Yeah, actually that could make

489
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Speaker 1: sense right now. Jalen Phillips is too, Malik Willis one,

490
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Speaker 1: Tyler Linda Bram.

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Speaker 2: Three, how much sleep do you lose over this?

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Speaker 5: Considerable?

493
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Speaker 1: I lost sleep last night, but it wasn't related to this.

494
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Speaker 4: Me too wasn't related to this.

495
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Speaker 1: It was related at least in part much.

496
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of do the world is burning? I

497
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Speaker 4: read a book that anyway, Daniel Jones I have been reading.

498
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the Alex Pierce. We have

499
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Speaker 1: some sound I want to hear Patrick talk about. But

500
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Speaker 1: here's what Partley let made me loose sleep. I read

501
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Speaker 1: a book that I received through the mail from a publisher.

502
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Speaker 4: Sometimes they like said, just send me books.

503
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Speaker 2: They think, just got it like that read a book Greg.

504
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: Because I used to recommend them on on the Justin

505
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Speaker 1: Nick and Rosenthal Vanity Project je And you know I

506
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Speaker 1: have a good Reads account follow me there, got like

507
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Speaker 1: a thousand followers there. You know you could you could

508
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Speaker 1: sell some books. They say, I want to be a

509
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Speaker 1: book influencer. I haven't really done any work to get there.

510
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Speaker 1: So I got this book like a year and a

511
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Speaker 1: half ago and it's just been sitting there. It's a

512
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Speaker 1: big one and I'm just like, I don't really want

513
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Speaker 1: to read. I should just get rid of it. I

514
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: like it's annoying me. And then finally I'm like, finally,

515
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take it out and read a book.

516
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Speaker 1: Read this book and it was horrible. It was one

517
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Speaker 1: of the worst books I've ever read. I got to

518
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Speaker 1: the end.

519
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Speaker 2: Life is sure to read bad books. That's what's I

520
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Speaker 2: love this. I love this.

521
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Speaker 1: It's a book called I mean, I feel bad about this,

522
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Speaker 1: get them out there?

523
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Speaker 5: Great.

524
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Speaker 4: Well, I loved her first book.

525
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Speaker 1: It's by an author named Julia Phillips who wrote a

526
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Speaker 1: book called Disappearing Earth, which I loved, like set in

527
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Speaker 1: like Keemchuka Rush.

528
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Speaker 4: It's great. The second book not so much.

529
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Speaker 1: But it's a book called Bear and the book ends

530
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Speaker 1: I'm going to spoil it here with the bear eating

531
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Speaker 1: one of the protagonists with like twenty pages left. For

532
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Speaker 1: much of the twenty pages left, going back occasionally from

533
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Speaker 1: the sister's point of view and describing how like the

534
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Speaker 1: teeth were crunching on the skull, but that maybe the

535
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Speaker 1: sister was happy because she loved the bear.

536
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Speaker 4: The bear was happy.

537
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Speaker 3: Well, I I kind of relate to this because I

538
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Speaker 3: think ish, but I kind of relate to this because

539
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Speaker 3: I too, always choose the bear.

540
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Speaker 1: So it is a little bit about that, but it

541
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Speaker 1: was it's a little ham fisted, and I did think

542
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Speaker 1: about that, like.

543
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Speaker 2: I think about it all the time.

544
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Speaker 1: That's same if I'm reading, like you know, that's it's

545
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Speaker 1: my addiction right now. So it's like it's like fifty

546
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: to sixty books a year. But let's let's give me

547
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: my pace is going to slow down eventually. Let's give

548
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Speaker 1: me another thirty years over under, Like how many books

549
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: is that? That's like a thousand? Maybe I just wasted

550
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Speaker 1: just wasted it on.

551
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Speaker 5: This is the bear metaphor for colonialism?

552
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Speaker 2: Ooh did you just look it up?

553
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Speaker 1: I'm just I think the bear was a little bit

554
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Speaker 1: of a metaphor for like their mom was dying, and just.

555
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Speaker 2: Like wow, it sounds like a great read.

556
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 4: It could have been good. Let's listen.

557
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Speaker 3: Not quite, not quite the metaphor that Colleen and I

558
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Speaker 3: were referring to.

559
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Speaker 2: But okay, go off.

560
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: This is like the opposite effect of what a publisher

561
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: publisher and I'm friends with the podcast, it's not gonna happen.

562
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Alec Pierre. You gotta get out of here.

563
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Alec Peers on the kay Adams Up

564
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Speaker 1: and Adams.

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Speaker 2: Sure, amazing, Greg.

566
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Speaker 4: You know, at this point now it's like.

567
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Speaker 7: I love Indy, I've loved playing there, great organization, great

568
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 7: people in the city. You know, just a lot of

569
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Speaker 7: a ton of support. I know we haven't been as

570
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Speaker 7: good as we we could be, and I know we

571
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Speaker 7: can be, but yeah, not at this point, kind of

572
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 7: earned the right to explore free agency, see what's out there,

573
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Speaker 7: just you know, make a decision that's best for my career,

574
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Speaker 7: uh and.

575
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Speaker 5: For my family. I'm not a big electronic guy, you know,

576
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 5: dubstep all these things, but there's a moment where you

577
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Speaker 5: wait for the beat drop and then it happens. Yeah,

578
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 5: what do you finally out to that? But I was like, yeah,

579
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: because Alec is sitting there that webcam is looking like

580
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 5: mon he's back lit in front of that window. Run

581
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 5: this man his money, Like Alec needs his money, and

582
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 5: he acknowledged that there, and through this chicanery with Domes,

583
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 5: we're gonna get Alec his money.

584
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Speaker 1: That's a great result of the Dimes tag. Unfortunately, that

585
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: looked like a terrorist, like a hostage video.

586
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Speaker 3: That's gonna say, you know, I have a good friend.

587
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: She's recently re entered the dating Pool and he kind

588
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: of looks like a man who would ruin her life

589
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: from silver Lake.

590
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 5: Oh wow, does because that's what he does.

591
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: He also he he also sounded like he had to

592
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: get that line out like the like his personal pr

593
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: told him to say it in that exact way beforehand.

594
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Speaker 1: That was my reading of this.

595
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Speaker 6: Who knows exactly what I was thinking that this was

596
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 6: coming straight from his agent that like, I feel like

597
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 6: Alec Pierce wants to be back in Indianapolis, but he

598
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 6: is saying that so then he can get the offer

599
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Speaker 6: up a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Who would want to lose and leave Regie Wayne, you

601
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: knowsh code exactly.

602
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: I think Reggie would be the first person to say,

603
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 5: go get you money.

604
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: I think it all goes back tro but he does

605
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: love Alex. Colleen called her shot at the beginning of this,

606
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: and I agree. I think they keep both of them

607
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: long term. I think they get extensions done with both

608
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce and Daniel Jones.

609
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Speaker 4: I agree.

610
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I I I sent that out there, like for I

611
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of Alec Pierce curious teams, just

612
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: just teams out there that like, especially fan bases. He

613
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: is that guy this off season that twelve different fan bases.

614
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: Like the second this happened yesterday, they're like, oh, we're

615
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: getting Alec Pierce.

616
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Speaker 4: It is the year.

617
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna I don't know if

618
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna go go out there on the market.

619
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Speaker 4: You know, I think he's gonna.

620
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: Say I won't say what it is.

621
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Speaker 3: I just had an all time comment from a Bona

622
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Speaker 3: in my headset.

623
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, literally an audio medium. If you're

624
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: not gonna say it, then you can't say that. Now

625
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: you have to say it and will potential will potentially.

626
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: Beep it out.

627
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't blow up Chris babonas spot potentially beep it out.

628
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: Good for Alec Pierce, I hear he has earned all

629
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: the money that he's about to make.

630
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 4: Buddha.

631
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: Your keeps their sources nice and.

632
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: Said nice and tight, Patricks nice and tight.

633
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: They might not wanted to set the bar by the

634
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: way with a tag too, because like, his average per

635
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: year is probably going to be a little less than

636
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: the franchise tag even if he does get out to market,

637
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: but maybe not that less.

638
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: I think it would have been what twenty seven to

639
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: twenty eight million.

640
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: He's probably getting somewhere in the mid twenties, Bully to him,

641
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we're going to come

642
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: back talk Kyler Murray and and get out of here

643
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: and consider the meaning of.

644
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Speaker 2: No.

645
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 5: It's just like.

646
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Speaker 1: No, so many good books that I could be reading

647
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: back on NFL daily that the bear can you know?

648
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Discussion continued.

649
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Speaker 6: It's actually it's sure did through the break always has.

650
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Been maybe a little more about like the bear, Like

651
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Speaker 1: is it better to die feeling alive doing the thing

652
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Speaker 1: that you love? The bear merely made her feel alive

653
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time than it

654
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Speaker 1: is to live.

655
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about Dustins? I'm here on the show background.

656
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: A little bit, but I think it's always there. It's

657
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: the human condition. It's it separates us.

658
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: I think having the bear on the island is like

659
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: a Chekhov's gun situation, and you want that to pay off.

660
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 5: Perhaps not, you know, eighty pages to go in the book,

661
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 5: but my theory that I've just come up with when

662
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Speaker 5: you needless lea kill a protagonist late in a book

663
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Speaker 5: maybe signals some some internal thoughts on the author about themselves. Whoa, whoa.

664
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Speaker 5: That's heavy for no reason, Like I don't mean a

665
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: protagonist being a martyr in certain situations. But you know what,

666
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 5: it's just like, oh yeah, they're gone.

667
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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna get to Kyler Murray and and Aaron

668
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers in a second. But I mean, look at him

669
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: just thrown out Chekhov's gun there, and that reminds me.

670
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: Of Gutenberg's Bible.

671
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god.

672
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Speaker 4: Do you know Gutensburg Bible.

673
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Speaker 1: It's not one of his best ones, the Gutenberg's vibe, don't.

674
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Speaker 2: I don't.

675
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: Let's go the Gutenberg Bible.

676
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Speaker 5: Okay, it's it's more about the press than it is

677
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: the Bible. Yes, you know, it had heavy circulation in

678
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: the day. A lot of people didn't like the ending

679
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 5: to that one.

680
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Speaker 1: I thought his best work was, you know, Police Academy four.

681
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: But that's just me.

682
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: So check off. There's a book. There's a book that

683
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Speaker 1: is by George Saunders. If you've ever heard of George Saunders,

684
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and I'm only bringing this up this is my neighbor

685
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: and I saw him this morning. And so there's a

686
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: book by George Saunders, who essentially goes through why different

687
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: short stories are great. It's almost like you're taking his

688
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: college class. He's a college professor. It's called a swim

689
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: in a pond in the rain, which I really highly

690
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: recommend if you're into that sort of thing. Russian short stories,

691
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff cool. But I saw him this morning

692
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: walking home from dropping off my daughter at school, and

693
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: he's walking his dog. And every time I see him

694
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: he's in the neighborhood, I get too nervous to just

695
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: like say what's up. Hey, I'm a big fan. And

696
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: he was kind of looking at his phone and walking

697
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: his dog. It's like eight thirty in the morning, and

698
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: again I froze up. Even though we're the only two

699
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: people on the street. That's like, too big of a celebrity,

700
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: believe in yourself for it. I'm gonna do it.

701
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: It spot a honkey.

702
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: The problem is when you told us to break up

703
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: the shows, I was like, oh, we got we just

704
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: got a big canvas to play on. Aaron Rodgers, though,

705
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: isn't going to extend the show at all. We said

706
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: he was talking on McAfee as we started the show.

707
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I thought we'd be updating that he is coming back

708
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: to the NFL the only and he quote said, if

709
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: you're expecting me to announce some big decision, here, just

710
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: leave now, shut it off.

711
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: So thanks young.

712
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 5: How long into the interview did you say that, Well.

713
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Speaker 1: We lasted five minutes. I had never mean we I did.

714
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: I watched it first first five minutes I've ever watched.

715
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: We're just a captive audience of McAfee.

716
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: That's not true. I've watched it.

717
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 5: That's why Aaron works out day.

718
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 8: We was posted at eleven thirty six his segment assuming

719
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 8: started around eleven or five elevenes.

720
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Speaker 4: Late for this.

721
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Speaker 3: You know, that's pretty great though, myself, Patrick and Colleen

722
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: were all telling Greg, Greg, let's start the show. He's

723
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: not going to say anything. Greg says, we might. He's

724
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: right on the verge he might say. But it did

725
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Speaker 3: take a show note from our producer Eric Roberts, saying

726
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Speaker 3: specifically he has said now he's not going to say

727
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: anything for us to move on.

728
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Well, Eric's the boss here. You guys, well, you guys

729
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: are just cohed.

730
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Speaker 5: I don't think Greg actually believed that Aaron was going

731
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: to say anything. He was something. He just he's about

732
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 5: the action. Greg's about the.

733
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: G I'm trying to get as much news into the shit.

734
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 8: Did discover the Pat McAfee live chat, though, he discovered

735
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 8: the oh yeah, they.

736
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: Were bagging on aj Aj Hawk. Kyler Murray is no

737
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: longer a member of the Arizona Cardinals. We expected this

738
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: move in one shape or another. I think it's hilarious

739
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Patrick that the Kyler Murray era in Arizona essentially ended

740
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: with a one two punch of Monte Asin Fort going

741
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: up at the combine and saying, oh yeah, we talk

742
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray every day. I spoke with Kyler Murray

743
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: this offseason, and literally twelve hours later, a source quote

744
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: close to Kyler Murray tells ESPN he never talked to us.

745
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: And that's how it ends.

746
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Like a total lack of communication, a total bumbling from

747
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals organization and like messaging and just not all

748
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: being on the same page, ruining every any little bit

749
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: of leverage that they would have had.

750
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: And now Kyler is free. Good job by Kyler's by

751
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: the way, I.

752
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 5: Don't think they had any leverage. It's been Kyler's fault

753
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 5: for years and that's been the overall statement for the

754
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 5: vast majority of his time in Arizona. And so if

755
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: they were going to convince somebody like hey, because by

756
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: Monte Austin Ford stepped into a podium in Indye on

757
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 5: a random Tuesday and being like I talked to Kyler,

758
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: was like, oh they really like Kyler Murray. Now no,

759
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 5: this has been the overall message. We don't like you

760
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 5: anymore and it's your fault. Things are bad.

761
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: They were trying to get it out there, though I

762
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: saw what they were doing through the insiders that like, hey,

763
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: maybe we actually will see Kyler. So I just it

764
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: just seemed typical for a run where unfortunately it felt

765
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: like it took a while for him to ever be

766
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: on the same page, like him and Cliff was tricky.

767
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: I think him and Gannon were on the same page,

768
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: and I do not think they apparently were on the

769
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: same page as as Austin for in ownership.

770
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Speaker 3: I always wonder what the point is of a GM

771
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: or coach with a quarterback situation in flux to get

772
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: up to the podium and say, yes, we are in communication,

773
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: knowing full well that once you may the move that

774
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: you were always planning on making, the other party can

775
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: very very freely just say no, we actually weren't in

776
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 3: communication at all, Like why, like this has nothing to

777
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: do with the transaction itself. I just I will never

778
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: understand why the messaging this happens over and over and

779
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: over again, why.

780
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 6: Every year at the Combine it is the Combine press

781
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 6: conferences are honestly hilarious to track because Greg and I

782
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: used to do, like ten years ago, we used to

783
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: do live coverage of the press conferences and then I

784
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: would go back and look at my notes and they

785
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: are just like amazing things in there that that the

786
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 6: gms and the head coaches would say, like they would

787
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 6: just speak so so lovingly about this person, and then

788
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 6: the next week they would be cut or whatever.

789
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like that.

790
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: NFL now coverage from the other building in Culver City

791
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and send it to us like we were just young.

792
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Speaker 2: It lives somewhere, young people.

793
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: I remember the example where Matt Rule went so far

794
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: as to coordinate an in house video package of him

795
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: sitting on a couch talking to a personnel person about

796
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: how valuable and how valued he thought Cam Newton was

797
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: only to a not be communicating with him and then

798
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: cut him or however that I don't remember how that

799
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: like cut him or trail like like a week later

800
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, you produced a whole video.

801
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: Like so Kyler's out there, Kyler is a source. Another

802
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: source close to Kyler said he had two. I think

803
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: this was CBS Sports that said this had two specific

804
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: landing spots in mind. Personally, now, the Cardinals owe him

805
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars guaranteed the way these NFL contracts

806
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: work with offset language. Unless someone paid him more than

807
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty six, which we can reasonably assume

808
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: is not going to happen. The Cardinals essentially have to

809
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: pay all that money, and so he'll probably wind up signing,

810
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: according to the insiders, to a minimum contract this year

811
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: because he's getting that thirty six from from the Cardinals

812
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: and then it's a minimum contract. When you hear two

813
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: possible destinations, what do you think, Patrick.

814
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 5: Well, I think the one is the Kansas City Chiefs.

815
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: I think that makes the most in terms of Kyler

816
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 5: and his evaluation and the conversations be they, you know,

817
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: leaking that we've got certain language and his contract about

818
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 5: video games and all this other stuff. Kyler wants to

819
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: extend a big middle finger to a lot of the NFL,

820
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 5: and what better way to do that than the start

821
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 5: the first six or seven games for the Kansas City

822
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: Chiefs While fifteen comes back and then you get a

823
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 5: chance to pick your team once again, try to get

824
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: some morem UP.

825
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the debts where yeah, where he's

826
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: been attached to. I have to assume one of the

827
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: two is the Vikings. The buzz, the chatter has just

828
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, gone off the charts in the last couple

829
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: of days, that like, maybe this is happening, Kyler Murray

830
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: to the vi.

831
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: Right to compete with JJ McCarthy, or he could also

832
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 6: potentially land in Atlanta, maybe while Michael Pennocks Junior is

833
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: rehabbing as well.

834
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: So Minnesota gives you the possibility that it's a whole season,

835
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: or that it's multiple It gives you the chance that

836
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's a forever home and obviously a coach that

837
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: has a great reputation, and I think even more importantly

838
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: to someone like Kyler Murray arguably the best wide receiver

839
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL on that team and a chance

840
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: to if you want to put a middle finger up

841
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: right away, Jordan to win some games.

842
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: Minnesota works.

843
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: I have a galaxy brain take on this with multiple steps,

844
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: but I know that we have another show coming up

845
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: where we're possible where we're matchmaking.

846
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: We're doing some match making and their stakes involved.

847
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: Oh you don't want to don't want to give it all.

848
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 5: We don't want to spoiling this episode.

849
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: So you know, I just I'm definitely not going Kyler

850
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: Murray to anyone else that we haven't mentioned. So if

851
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: we all promised that, then you could do it right here.

852
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: You know that we wouldn't.

853
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Oh you want to know bad?

854
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: No, Well we'll find out. It's a good tease. Later

855
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: this week we're going to do a matchmakers game. And yeah,

856
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray is an incomplete court like he

857
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: has some limitations to his game, but man, he has

858
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: played a lot of football, and it's been streaky at times,

859
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: but the baseline is pretty good and the high level

860
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: play has been excellent.

861
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 4: He's been a really productive guy.

862
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: And I do think the narrative that like this team

863
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: doesn't like him, he's not as hard to work, all

864
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. I think quietly it hasn't changed

865
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: enough nationally to where what the last couple of years

866
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: have been. Like I think if you listen to the

867
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: people around that building and his teammates and everything, I

868
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: think since Cliff left that it's improved on that front

869
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: a lot, a bit a lot. I think he's thought

870
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: of as a tough player as well. And look, I

871
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to get in the way of

872
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: him getting a good job. He's kind of at the

873
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: top of the top of the food chain when it

874
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: comes to the quarterbacks. While we were taping, we thought

875
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: Rogers might add to the news with you know, he's

876
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: coming back. No, but we did get some news Stefan

877
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: Diggs no longer with the New England Patriots released going

878
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: into his age thirty two season, Patrick he essentially was

879
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: on a year to year contractor it's around twenty two

880
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, made it very easy to cut him.

881
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: I thought he performed better than could have been reasonably

882
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: expected coming off the torn Aco So what do you

883
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: make of this?

884
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a huge bounce back season again also

885
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: an injury. Where this is now the Stefon Diggs thing.

886
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 5: You have a talented young quarterback, Stefan Diggs comes in,

887
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 5: things are great and then you say goodbye.

888
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: So I think it's absolutely the combination of the salary

889
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: and the arrest and the chargers that he's facing. He's

890
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: currently facing felony, strangulation and suffocation charges, really serious accusations.

891
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: Who knows if the NFL could potentially suspend him or

892
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: what is going to happen on a legal front. I

893
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: think they appreciated everything that he added to the team

894
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: from a football and leadership perspective, in terms of how

895
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: he was in that building. But I think when you

896
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: combine those two things, in freeing up that much financial space,

897
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe you feel like, all right, we're getting We had

898
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: a good experience, but we're getting out a year.

899
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 6: Craig, it makes sense, especially with all of the rumors

900
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: swirling about aj Brown potentially New England, that maybe that

901
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 6: is the next shoe to drop.

902
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: That would be a good move, that would be I

903
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: would like to see that. I think this is one

904
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: of those things where if you, unfortunately a team will

905
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: not show a ton of urgency in the middle of

906
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: a playoff run in investigating said accusations and charges, and

907
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: this is one of those things that has to be

908
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: cleared up by the Patriots post haste the second their

909
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: sort of magical run is over.

910
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I have to think that that.

911
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: Is a big part of this, like you said, Greg,

912
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: and then also they need to basically not take so

913
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: what happened for them in sort of a magical outweighed

914
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: expectation season last year and hold that as Oh, we

915
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: can just run it back with the same people. They

916
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: have to continue to improve their roster in a lot

917
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: of areas, and that includes at receiver getting a little younger,

918
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: a couple a couple more guys who will be able

919
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: to help them for the next few years.

920
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not buying the idea that they're suddenly going

921
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: to be quiet this offseason, which they've kind of thrown

922
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: out there. We're like, we're not going to spend as much.

923
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: They have a lot of needs that they got to

924
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: shore up, and that that starts at wide receiver. Really

925
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: surprising news that Drew Dolman retired on Tuesday. He was

926
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: the center for the Bears, who was at the top

927
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: of the free agent center market last year. Got a

928
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: nice contract fourteen million dollars a year, was part of

929
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: like a big overhaul for the Bears offensive line. And look,

930
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: I think they have a really tough offseason in general, Patrick,

931
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: and this is just a move I really doubt. Maybe

932
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: they had some inkling from him personally, but certainly the

933
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: outside didn't He's twenty seven years old and has only

934
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: played five years in the NFL, and he's doing something

935
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: very few NFL players have done, but some really have,

936
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: which is just pass on a lot of you know,

937
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and what would have been like a lucrative

938
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: career for the rest of his life.

939
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it speaks to a couple of things that they

940
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: inherit violence with regards to the game. And I think

941
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 5: Drew Dalin could look across in the division out of

942
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: some other guys you know, who have gone through like

943
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 5: trying to extend careers in constant pain, and so you know,

944
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 5: electing to retirement makes it. You know, financially, it's tough

945
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 5: for us to put it in perspective, but it makes

946
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 5: sense from a human level. And for the Bears, this

947
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: puts you in a sudden changed situation a season after

948
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 5: an offseason where you feel like you fixed everything on

949
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 5: the interior and right there where it starts, you got

950
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: to start over because, like you look at the spreadsheet,

951
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 5: which you know is the dichotomy there, the spot on

952
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 5: a spreadsheet versus actually human being twenty seven years old,

953
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 5: just on forty two million dollars. You feel like we're

954
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 5: good here, but now you're not.

955
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's forfeiting nine point five million dollars guaranteed, he's

956
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: made about twenty four in his career. They could potentially

957
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: go after his signing bonus. I kind of doubt they

958
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: would do that. They do save ten million dollars in

959
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: cap room. So while it creates a big open hole, Uh,

960
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: they needed to create cap space in some way, and

961
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: that is just one thing.

962
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 4: Financially, that's a factor.

963
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 6: They also have their left tackle who's going to miss

964
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 6: Mouazzi twenty twenty six, So that now creates a lot

965
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 6: of instability on the offensive line in general.

966
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a position they had. I mean, we

967
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: talked to Ryan Pole's about it at the combine and

968
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: he called his shot. He said he was going to

969
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 3: fix the offensive line, and then he went and fixed

970
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: the offensive line, and you know it was it was

971
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: incredible to watch. There are some adjustments they can make

972
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: in a pinch. I don't think they want to pursue

973
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: this type of thing. I think you want to replace

974
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: in the draft and or trade or free agency. Unfortunately,

975
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: they do have to clear cap space at this point.

976
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: A couple of triggers they can pull will do that,

977
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: but they're probably gonna have to say goodbye to a

978
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: couple of their dbs who are our free agents. If

979
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: they were planning on in the resigning him in the

980
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: first place, which it didn't sound like they were. I

981
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 3: know they don't want to get to this point because

982
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: it went so terribly when he was with the Rams.

983
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: But Jonah Jackson could play center in a pinch he

984
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: has before, if he's not thrown into a sudden change situation,

985
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: if he gets an entire offseason to ramp up into

986
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 3: the position. It went so catastrophically bad when he did

987
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: it for the Rams because in part it was all

988
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: of a sudden a pivot out of what he had

989
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: been training to do the entire offseason. But he has

990
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: played the position. I talked to him at that time.

991
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 3: He's confident in his ability there. It was a disaster

992
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: when't happened. But the Bears could potentially say, Okay, we're

993
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: going to at least see if this works ahead of

994
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: the draft. We're going to explore this option ahead of

995
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: the draft. Otherwise you really have to draft high there.

996
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: I just think that they have a Ryan Poles and

997
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: Ben Jonson just have a lot to do this offseason

998
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: to back up what they did last year, and I

999
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: think losing their offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, and Eric

1000
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: b Enemy is right at the top of the list

1001
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: of why it's going to be difficult.

1002
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: So this just kind of adds to that.

1003
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: Joe Toney played a little center for the Patriots back

1004
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: in the day, but I don't think.

1005
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: At least before the draft and exactly.

1006
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 6: He retired in June last year, so that puts that

1007
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 6: that put the Lions in a bad spot.

1008
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: And the Bears reportedly were asking around at some centers

1009
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: in like so I think I have a feeling there

1010
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: were their reporters thought maybe they were just looking for

1011
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: depth when they heard maybe some chatter at the combine,

1012
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: but I have a feeling they knew about this before

1013
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: we did. But either way, a big loss for them.

1014
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: So happy Trails and Drew Dollmand. I always really respect

1015
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: anyone who makes a decision that it's just not kind

1016
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: of me. Maybe I don't know if popular is the

1017
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: right word, but no matter what, you have to imagine

1018
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: his dad as a football coach, like how difficult a

1019
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: decision this would be. I'm sure how much he loves

1020
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: playing the game, and being around his teammates and to

1021
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: pass obviously on the financial part of it. So thing's

1022
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: okay with them right all respect to Drew Drew Doman.

1023
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: And they did have Tyler Biottish in to the building

1024
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: for a free agent visit, and it sounds like Tyler Biottish,

1025
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: who was cut by the Commanders, is healthy, so maybe

1026
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: he's just a quick one for one replacement. Before we leave,

1027
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: the Vikings are looking to trade Jonathan Garnard. Kind of

1028
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: the last thing will hit quickly. But just a reminder

1029
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: here to me why Kyler Murray or any cheap free

1030
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: agents is gonna be great for Minnesota because this really

1031
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: indicates to me they're trying to save some money because

1032
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Garnard is a good player, and the report from

1033
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler of ESPN was that they're looking for a

1034
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Day two which would mean round two or round three

1035
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: pick for Jonathan Garnard.

1036
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 5: And an edge that obviously, when you're playing with Flores,

1037
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 5: the ability to rush to passer and drop back plays

1038
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 5: heavily into that. And Dallas Turner was playing more and

1039
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: so you can get more Dallas Turner on the field,

1040
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 5: and Grenard taken advantage of having this piece that you

1041
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 5: could use to get some more talent to facilitate the

1042
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 5: not jj of it all.

1043
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: Nine.

1044
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: I feel like always when by the time you hear

1045
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: these reports, it's probably gonna be a cut. If it's

1046
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: if it's fine, if it's getting to the point where

1047
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: it's actually out in the in the media atmosphere, it's

1048
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: like it's there's a potential for it to be a

1049
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: cut instead.

1050
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think once it gets out there, I agree

1051
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: that they're ready to cut him if they need to.

1052
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Garnard is good, young, productive enough, and

1053
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: the contract to me is good enough. Eighteen point three

1054
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: million dollars this year, I think is totally reasonable for

1055
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old Jonathan Garnard.

1056
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: But I bet they can get a pick. So if

1057
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: they're looking for.

1058
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: A day Carolina Panthers, Panthers right hello, they sit there.

1059
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 4: The Titans would make some sense to me.

1060
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: I know, they just added Jermaine Johnson the Chargers potentially,

1061
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: who are going to be looking for edges depending on

1062
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: what happens with Khalil Mack.

1063
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 6: It's just tough because he wants a restructure or a raise,

1064
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 6: and he's coming off a season where he had a

1065
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: shoulder injury. So the year before that was great and all,

1066
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 6: but it's kind of a tough spot to be in

1067
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 6: when you're demanding money.

1068
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: That makes the trade more difficult, and so that if

1069
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: that is the case, it obviously could be a cut,

1070
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: but I think someone will give up something for him.

1071
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of cuts, the Chargers have released Makai Becton, their

1072
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: guard who they gave a lot of money to last year.

1073
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: We expected that, and Bobby Okeriki, the linebacker for the Giants,

1074
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: also released that's it for us on this news show.

1075
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: Gosh, it was a little meaty.

1076
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: It's the problem. Make that into a drop, dari you

1077
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Play the music, hold on,

1078
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: hold on. Good to have you back. Colleen Hey agreed

1079
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: to be back. What are we holding on?

1080
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 8: I'm gonna filibuster here for a second because I got something.

1081
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I have never heard Robert's philibuster is.

1082
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 8: Not going to work well because I'm trying to like

1083
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 8: drop things in the folders at the same time.

1084
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 5: You can, which brings no.

1085
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 8: But Colleen mentioned a throwback of Greg and no, you

1086
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 8: just not find NFL combine stuff back in What is

1087
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 8: this twenty fifteen. I think Chris can take this full

1088
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 8: screen up. It's a I'll fix this and it's a

1089
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 8: better picture. But I found a photo I think this

1090
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 8: is from twenty fifteen. What yes, I think it was.

1091
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 8: The second was on the beat? On the beat? Does

1092
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 8: that so familiar?

1093
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: No?

1094
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: What?

1095
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 7: Yes?

1096
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: It was something like that.

1097
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: This came from I think you guys are talking to

1098
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: Seahawks here.

1099
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: That's twenty fifteen scouting combine NFL winners and losers and losers.

1100
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 5: Yes, I know who lost.

1101
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm in my I'm in my ill fitting suit. Can

1102
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: we listen to some of it? Here?

1103
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: We got a clear copyright first infants, Oh my god.

1104
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 6: Herefore on the beat to go through the wins and

1105
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 6: loss from the pro side.

1106
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: Thats all right, So we'll start.

1107
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 6: With the good and then we'll get to bad, because.

1108
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: You know we want to end on the bad, right

1109
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: always it's always the best. So the first one here,

1110
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: day Gude, I think can starter.

1111
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: What a winter.

1112
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 4: RG didn't win much on the field last year.

1113
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: But who thought he would have been the unquestioned starter

1114
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: in Washington right there.

1115
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: We're not going to top that.

1116
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: Greg, congrats on your voice dropping recently.

1117
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: That off of Gruden and a slur maturity. I know,

1118
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden. I kind of forgot he ever was an

1119
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: NFL head coach. Yeah, the R word, which we've odiously avoided, but.

1120
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 4: It's not in there.

1121
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: And then a big dig on r G three not

1122
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: playing very well. So I'm I'm and the octave mostly.

1123
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about the octave for a minute.

1124
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 4: Octave, I mean, what happened the octave?

1125
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Octavia?

1126
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: Octavia, Let's get out of here.

1127
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: Creditable on the beat.

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00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 6: I can't believes now A reply guy on Twitter.

1129
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 5: I think, don't swirstle cool?

1130
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 2: Well, what a show.

1131
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: I love having you guys back. Why why don't you

1132
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: come back for another show this week? Let's do some matchmaking.

1133
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: We'll see you then.

1134
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 2: I can't believe you found that.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was great.