1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow klah Here's 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: cal a Wyoming man suspected of poaching mule deer and 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: pronghorn in twenty twenty three, reportedly claimed to not need 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: a hunting license because he was quote an American born citizen. 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Oil City News reports that David L. Godding has admitted 7 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: to killing the animals and using a twelve gage shotgun 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: to dispatch at least one of them. Law enforcement got 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: a tip from a local resident who says they helped 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Godding clean the animals, but not kill them. This anonymous 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: resident says that when they asked Godding why he was 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: hunting without a license, Godding said he didn't need one 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: as someone who was born in the United States. It 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: turns out that's not correct. Game one and seized skull 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: caps for both mule deer and pronghorn, and he was 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: arrested last month. He faces a maximum of one year 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: in prison, a ten thousand dollars fine, or both for 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: each charge. Not to get too serious about what's obviously 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: an unserious argument, but it occurs to me that being 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: an American born citizen is actually a great reason you 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: do need a hunting license. The public trust doctrine says 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: that wildlife belongs to all of us, which is another 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: way of saying it doesn't belong to any one person 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: as an American. As a member of that public, you 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: don't have a right to take whatever resources you want. 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: You have to stay within the guardrail set up by 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: our wildlife agencies. So all the other American born citizens 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: have a chance to harvest some of those resources too. 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: It's just a little food for thought. If you think 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm crazy, We've already gone down that road. We've tried it. Okay, 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: The free for all approach doesn't work, doesn't work for wildlife. 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: It's shortsighted. The folks that profit from it profit big, 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: and then they go bust. It's history, gang, It's history. 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: We can go into it. We will one of these days. 35 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: But for now we've got public lands, water, buffalo, bear attack, 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: and the crime desk. But first, I'm gonna tell you 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: about my week. And my week man so much to do. 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: Full disclosure again, working ahead here so I can get 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: some time in the woods. This September got archery elk 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: got a big old mule deer to chase. I hope 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: if nothing else, I'll work on this beer gut in 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: the backwoods where you're supposed to, not in a gym 43 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: surrounded by people. Getting all my ducks in a row 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: is tough. You know, got a lot of life responsibilities too, 45 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: just like all of you folks do. So as we 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: go into the hunting season, just get out there. Like 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I said, take that challenge that I laid out, Come 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: up with your field journals, report game and non game 49 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: species that you see. You know, to yourself, keep those records. 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: They'll be valuable one day. And for those of you 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: who think that you know, the grass is always greener. Yeah, 52 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: I get to go out and do some big trips 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: as part of my job, which is super cool. But 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: I always think and have thought, that the folks that 55 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: get out and get successful on their one weekend a 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: year are far more impressive than all of us who 57 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: get to do it for a job. So get out there, 58 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: enjoy what you're doing, whether that puts meat in the 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: freezer or not. Remember what we talked about last week 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: in regards to public lands, the opportunities that we have. 61 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: Take a few moments to share that love ambition, the 62 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: fact that you're the weird person on the street that 63 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: gets up at three thirty four o'clock am, chooses to 64 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: do that on a weekend when you could be sleeping 65 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: in share why you do that with a non hunting 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: neighbor or coworker or whatnot to really matter as we 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: get into November, when we start talking about these initiatives 68 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: and crazy ideas from the state of Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, 69 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: what or not Wyoming. Wait, yeah, there's some craziness everywhere 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: if we're being honest, But what's happening in Florida right 71 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: now definitely relates to what's happening in Utah right now, 72 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: definitely relates, in my opinion, to what's happening in Colorado 73 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: right now. Right it's a restriction of access that we're 74 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: seeing here, access to wildlife, access to public spaces, access 75 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: to the outdoors. So you got to get involved, if 76 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: not now, when moving on to the Public lands desk, 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: if you follow me on Instagram, you've already heard my 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: take on the plan by Florida lawmakers to install golf 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: courses and hotels on state parks. The short version is 80 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: it's a terrible idea, But there is some good news. 81 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Many Florida residents feel exactly like we do, and I 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: know many of you listeners do as well. There's been 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: a massive uproar since Governor DeSantis announced the initiative, so 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: much so that the state officials have said they will 85 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: reschedule public meetings quote due to overwhelming public interest. If 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: you live in Florida, you should be attending those public meetings. 87 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: Some conservationists and environmental groups have also begun devising plans 88 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: to conserve those natural environments and landscapes. For example, several 89 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: of the state park slated for golf course construction are 90 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: also home to threatened and endangered species. According to a 91 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: report in the South Florida Sun Sentinel, the state wants 92 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 1: to convert one thousand acres of the Jonathan Dixon State 93 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Park into three golf courses, but these acres are also 94 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: prime habitat for the Florida scrubjay, which is listed as 95 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: threatened on the Endangered Species list and is Florida's only 96 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: endemic bird. Legal experts at the Center for Biological Diversity 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: point out that anytime a federally protected species might be 98 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: harmed by a development project, that project needs to secure 99 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: a permit from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Those 100 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: permits can be hard to come by, and even if 101 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: the Wildlife Service issues one, it can be challenged in 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: federal court. Outfits like the Center for Biological Diversity have 103 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: used this strategy for decades to delay wildlife decisions. They 104 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: file lawsuit after lawsuit in the hope that they'll either 105 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: win on the merits or the delay of the project. 106 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Then the administration might change or someone at the agency 107 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: just gets tired of the fighting. They've done this with 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: Wolf and Grizzly delisting, and it's not a process that 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm generally keen on, but it would provide some space 110 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: in this Florida's misuse of state lands. It's for that 111 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: reason that I'd encourage Florida residents to stop these plans 112 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: the old fashioned way, the proper way, which is let 113 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: your voice be heard. You can leave a message with 114 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Governor DeSantis at eight five zero seven to one seven 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: nine three three seven, and you can email him at 116 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: flgov dot com forward slash email the governor. The Florida 117 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Department of Environmental Protection has also published an online survey 118 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: where state residents can offer feedback We'll post a link 119 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: to that survey over at the meat eater dot com 120 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: forward slash col or you can google Florida Great Outdoors 121 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: Initiative survey. Hopefully, if enough Floridians push back, state leaders 122 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: will rethink their plan to destroy wildlife habitat to make 123 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: room for stuff you can already find everywhere else in 124 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: the state. Moving on to the gluttony desk. You know 125 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: that then your mom would tell you when you took 126 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: too much food and then complained that you had to 127 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: eat it all your eyes are bigger than your stomach. 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Type of deal. Overeating is usually just a human problem, 129 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: But a bald eagle in Missouri ran into trouble recently 130 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: for doing what your mom always told you not to do. 131 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: The Missouri Department of Conservation recently captured a bald eagle 132 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: along the boundary of Wilson's Creek National Battlefield. They had 133 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: received a report that the bird appeared to be injured, 134 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: so they went to investigate. They discovered that the bird 135 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: was perfectly healthy except for one thing. It was too 136 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: fat to fly. America's mascot had apparently been gnaching on 137 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: some roadkill raccoon, and whether it had the entire raccoon 138 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: to itself to eat it before competition showed up. One 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: thing is for certain, its eyes were bigger than its stomach. 140 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: X ray images posted on the Wilson's Creek National Battlefield 141 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: Facebook page showed the eagle with a distended stomach and 142 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: an undigested raccoon paw clearly outlined. Fortunately, overeating has a 143 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: simple cure of the vets. At Dickerson Park Zoo put 144 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: it on a diet for a few days, and when 145 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: they released it back into the National Battlefield, it flew 146 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: off as majestically as a recently fat bald eagle cam 147 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Jim Lane for sending us that story. 148 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: Jumping over to the crime desk, a former member the 149 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: Utah Wildlife Board has been accused of illegally baiting deer 150 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: at his outfitting operation in the southwestern part of the state. 151 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: The legal filings obtained by Meat Eater accused fifty one 152 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: year old Wade Raymond Heaton, along with six of his 153 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: hunting guides at Color Country Outfitters, of baiting mule deer 154 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three hunting seasons. 155 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: It has been illegal to use bait to hunt big 156 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: game since the legislature passed ban and it went into 157 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: effect in May of twenty twenty one. In twenty nineteen, 158 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Governor Gary Herbert appointed Heaton to serve on the Wildlife Board, 159 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: which governs policy and regulation relating to hunting, fishing, and trapping, 160 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: but Heaton abruptly resigned in twenty twenty three. DWR director 161 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: Justin Shirley thanked Heaton for his four years of service, 162 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: and a representative from the DWR posted on a mule 163 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting for him that Heaton had resigned because he 164 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: was quote too busy. Now Utah hunters have a better 165 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: understanding of what he was busy doing, packing corn. Text 166 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: messages of obtained by investigators showed that Heaton and his 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: guides had relied on baiting prior to the ban. They 168 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: were concerned about the band's effect on their client's hunting success. 169 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: God forbid you go hunting and not be guaranteed to 170 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: kill something right, And the guide's time spent finding deer 171 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: was just exhausting. So they decided to keep doing it, 172 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: but to tell everyone that they were feeding livestock. Here's 173 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: a particularly damning quote that investigators pulled from Heaton's phone. 174 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: He says, quote a reminder of our decision about feed. 175 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: We are going to keep the hunters as removed from 176 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: it as possible. No feeding with the hunter in the truck, 177 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: keeping the feed out of sight of the public. Hmm. 178 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: I wonder what he means by that. The case began 179 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: in August of twenty twenty three when an investigator with 180 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources received a tip that 181 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Color Country Outfitters CCO was using bait to attract deer. 182 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: Investigators went out to CEO's property and found corns spread 183 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: across the ground, but no cattle that could explain the 184 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: presence of the feed. They did, however, find a game 185 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: camera pointed at the corn. Along with the hunting blind. 186 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: Hunting clients, none of whom have been named as defendants 187 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: in the case, told DWR investigators that they were shown 188 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: images of bucks and allowed to pick which one they 189 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: wanted to hunt. That sounds like hunting. When one of 190 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: them asked about the corn on the ground, CCO guides 191 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: told them that they were cattle stations that had been 192 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: approved by the Department of Wildlife Resources. Clients usually paid 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: between three thousand and four thousand dollars forty thousand dollars 194 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: for the privilege of hunting on the legendary ponzigat Plateau, 195 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: with one hunter laying down a whopping forty eight thousand 196 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: dollars for the chance to kill a baited buck that 197 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: went by the nickname Wolfman, it should have gone by 198 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: the name of Porky. With that kind of money on 199 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the line, it's easy to see how Heaton decided to 200 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: continue baiting after the practice was banned in twenty twenty one. 201 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: While it remains legal to put down corn during the 202 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: off season and for livestock feeding purposes, the DWR is 203 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: clear that any feeding that changes at big game animal's 204 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: behavior is illegal. Heaton told investigators that they did put 205 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: out corn, but only during the summer months. He also 206 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: said that they put out feed in part because they 207 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: had cattle on the property prior to hunting season. However, 208 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: investigators found no cows on the entire property during their 209 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: in person and remote surveillance. They also found tons of 210 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: images and videos showing mule deer coming back repeatedly to 211 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: the same pile of corn. In total, Heaton is being 212 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,479 Speaker 1: charged with two felony counts of wanton destruction of protected wildlife, 213 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: one felony count of pattern of unlawful activity, four misdemeanor 214 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: accounts of wanton destruction of protected wildlife, one misdemeanor count 215 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: of taking protected wildlife, and three misdemeanor counts of conspiracy. 216 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: You can read all the gory details over at the 217 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: meat eater dot com. And I don't think we're done 218 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: reporting on this case. I'd love to review all of 219 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: heat and statements and decisions while he was on the 220 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Wildlife Board to see if his illegal activities influenced his decisions. 221 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: For all of Utah's hunters, I have a feeling that 222 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: there's more than what's been reported so far. Remember, folks, 223 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: there are way more good, lawful, awesome outfitters out there 224 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: than crappy ones. But it is up to you, as 225 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: a paying client, to say, hey, holy cow, that's not right. 226 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: I got to get out of here. It's also up 227 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: to you to report those folks. It sounds like somebody did. Eventually, 228 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: if you have some hunting experience, it's really not hard 229 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to figure out what's wrong with the scenario. Unfortunately, in 230 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: the world of hunting, if somebody says this is a 231 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: free range operation. Here's the bucks that we have named. 232 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: Pick out which one you want to kill, and we'll 233 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: price it accordingly. Something's wrong, that's not fair, Chase, you 234 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: shouldn't be involved with it. Moving on to a brand 235 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: new desk here at Cal's Week in Review, the water 236 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: buffalo desk. Big thanks to listener Keegan Clark for sending 237 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: this one in. Local officials in Pleasant Hill, Iowa, are 238 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: warning the public to stay away from a wounded, angry 239 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: water buffalo that's on the loose in the small Midwestern community. 240 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: For those of you scratch in your head and thinking 241 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: a water buffalo in Iowa that doesn't sound right, your 242 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: instincts are correct. Water buffalo are a bo balus boobalus, 243 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: a large bovit originating Indi Indian subcontinent in Southeast Asia. 244 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Their sizes very greatly from breed to breed, but they're 245 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: usually about one thousand pounds, which is a little smaller 246 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: than your typical angus. Still, no one wants in angry 247 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: thousand pounds of anything wandering around the Greater Des Moines area, 248 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: which is why officials are extremely concerned about this situation. Now, 249 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: we're recording this a little earlier than usual, so it's 250 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: possible that the badly behaved bovid has been captured or 251 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: killed by the time you listen to this. But as 252 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: of right now, here's what we know. The water buffalo 253 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: was domesticated and being kept in a pen, escaped from 254 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: the pen, and, according to the Pleasant HILLPD, became aggressive 255 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: towards police officers who were trying to coax it back home. 256 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: In their defense, wrangling Asian cattle probably isn't part of 257 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: the academy curriculum. Still, they responded about as badly as 258 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: they could have without actually injuring another human. One of 259 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: the officers fired a shotgun slug at the animal, but 260 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: the shot didn't kill it. Instead, the lead projectile convinced 261 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: it to definitely not go back into its pen, ran off, 262 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: and officials were still looking for the animal. Two days later. 263 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: Pleasant HILLPD has secured this assistance of the local Sheriff's 264 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: office and they've called in drones and ATVs to search 265 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: along the bike trails where it was last seen. No 266 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: word yet on whether they planned to call in the 267 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: SWAT team or the FBI for assistance in apprehending this 268 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: dangerous fugitive. I hope they find it or I hope 269 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: it makes its way back to Southeast Asia in an 270 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: epic action comedy starring Chris Rock and Mike Woody Harrelson, 271 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: or maybe the Rock as the voice of the lovable 272 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: but sarcastic water Buffalo this summer, which is one day 273 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Spell's adventure. Either would be fine with me. I'll sign 274 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: up right now. Moving on Bear Attack Desk, a black 275 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: bear hunter barely escaped with his life last month after 276 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: an adult female grizz charged him in a remote section 277 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: of southern Alaska. Me Eaters Jordan Siller spoke with thirty 278 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: two year old Tyler Johnson about the incident. Johnson explained 279 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: that he and his father were hunting black bears along 280 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the Reser Direction Pass Trail in the Kenai Mountains about 281 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: August seventeen. They had never hiked the trail before, and 282 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: they hadn't spotted any black bears in the two days 283 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: they'd been in the area. They were making their way 284 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: through a section of tall grass and brush when they 285 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: stumbled upon the adult female grizz, which was standing only 286 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: about fifteen yards away. The ruin began to charge at 287 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: Johnson's father, who yelled and turned his back, so the 288 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: bear would grab his pack first, but for whatever reason, 289 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: the bear wheeled around and went after Johnson instead. From 290 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: growling to impact was about four seconds. It wasn't even 291 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: a warning. It was ready to rumble right then and there, 292 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Johnson said. Johnson was carrying a ten millimeters Springfield XDM 293 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: elite handgun in a thumb strap holster on his hip, 294 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: and the gun held fifteen rounds of full metal jacket bullets. 295 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: He remembers desperately trying to unholster the gun his thumb, 296 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: but his thumb slipped and he wasn't able to get 297 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: it out before the bear took him to the ground. 298 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: He managed to unholster the pistol and engaged the bear 299 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: while also using his legs to push the bear away 300 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: from He fired seven rounds at the bear's head and chest, 301 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: and in the course of doing so, shot himself in 302 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: the left thigh. At the same time, Johnson's father was 303 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: also shooting at the bear from an angle where he 304 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot his son that much. Ten mm is enough 305 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: to stop almost anything, and the bear rolled over and 306 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: died just a few moments later. The bear problem has 307 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: been dealt with, but Johnson had sustained serious injuries. He 308 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: had a threw and through bullet wounded in his left thigh, 309 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: two puncture wounds in his right calf where the bear 310 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: had bit him, a gash in his right thigh, likely 311 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: from the bear's claws, and another claw mark on his 312 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: left shoulder. Fortunately, the paar was prepared. They had brought 313 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: trauma kits that included quick clot and tourniquets, and they 314 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: immediately began making sure the younger man wouldn't bleed out. 315 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: They applied quick clow and tourniquets to the wounds, and 316 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: Johnson's dad called emergency services using his inReach device. Johnson 317 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: estimates that it took about an hour and a half 318 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: for him to be airlifted to the hospital. When asked 319 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: what he learned from the experience or what advice he 320 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: has for other backcountry hunters, he named three things. Bring 321 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: a trauma kit, a gun, and a hunting buddy. Traumakitt 322 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: only adds a pound to the pack, so it's worth 323 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: it every time. Johnson readily acknowledged that the bear spray 324 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: works in some situations, and we know that's true based 325 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: on decades of experience. However, he doesn't believe it would 326 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: have done him any good. In this scenario, the bear 327 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: was on him too quickly, and he thinks he would 328 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: have just ended up spraying himself without ending the bear attack. 329 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: Even though solo hunting is fun, Johnson says the risk 330 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: isn't worth the reward. He'll always bring his father or 331 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: friend on his hunts from now on. For the full 332 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: story and images, check out Jordan's article on the meeteater 333 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Johnson also spoke with the crew during one 334 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: of our recent Meat Eater Live episodes, so you can 335 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: check that out too. Moving on to the flounder desk, 336 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: a major controversy about the recreational flounder fishery in North 337 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: Carolina has ended in a kind of stalemate for now. 338 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: There are two regulatory bodies that govern flounder fishing in 339 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: North Carolina, the Marine Fisheries Commission, which will call the MFC, 340 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: and the Wildlife Resources Commission, which we'll call the WRC. 341 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: Most states have a single Wildlife Commission that handles wildlife 342 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: related issues for the entire state, but in North Carolina, 343 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the MFC handles policy related to coastal or saltwater ecosystems, 344 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: while the WRC has jurisdiction over freshwater fishing. The agencies 345 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: have joint jurisdiction over estuarial or brackish waterways. There is 346 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: some nuance there, but that's the gist. Since flounder can 347 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: live in all three types of environments, this structure creates 348 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: a major potential for conflict this year, that's exactly what happened. 349 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: As we've covered previously, the MFC declared earlier this year 350 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: that there would be no recreational flounder fishing season. They 351 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: cited overfishing from previous years and said they worried about 352 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: the continued health of the population. There is some disagreement 353 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 1: about whether recreational or commercial anglers are to blame for 354 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: this problem, and some like the North Carolina Wildlife Federation, 355 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: point to commercial shrimp trawling as a major contributing factor. 356 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: Whatever the reason, the MFC determined that the flounder fishery 357 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: couldn't handle a recreational season, so they closed it. But 358 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: the WRC, which if you recall, handles fishing regulation in 359 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: inland and brackish water, said not so fast. They disagreed 360 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: with the MFC's assessment and said they would move forward 361 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: with a limited recreational flounder season. This year. This means 362 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: that in brackish or estuarial areas of North Carolina, where 363 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the MFC and WRC have joint jurisdiction, the flounder season 364 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: was set to be both closed and open at the 365 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: same time. This is obviously a pretty major problem and 366 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: not a great look for wildlife managers in the tire 367 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: Heel state. Fortunately, these two feuding parties did reach a compromise. 368 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: The MFC voted to unanimously support a proclamation aligning their 369 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: regulations with those promulgated by the WRC, but they also 370 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: issued a statement saying they do not endorse the flounder 371 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: limits established by the other commission or the method by 372 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: which the limits were derived. In other words, they backed down, 373 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: but they sure weren't happy about it. So the flounder 374 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: season ended up moving forward. It was split over two weekends, 375 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: with the first on September one and two, and the 376 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: second on September seven and eight. On these days, anglers 377 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: could target flounder in inland and jointly controlled waterways, but 378 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: they could only use hook and line fishing. No gigging 379 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: was allowed. Giggings like going out at night, shining their 380 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: little eyeballs and stabbing them with a fork, which I've 381 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: never done and think it's awesome. Not an anti gigger here, 382 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: just saying it's not allowed, probably because it's more effective. 383 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: In addition, fishermen had to adhere to a daily limit 384 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: of one fish with a minimum size limit of fifteen inches. 385 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: To help anglers know which waterways are inland, joint and coastal, 386 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: the WRC published an interactive map displaying exactly which is which. 387 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: The flounder season is likely already over by the time 388 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, so I'm curious did any of 389 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: you participated in it? Did you have any troubled navigating 390 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: the regulations or running to any enforcement officers. I know 391 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: many of you live in North Carolina and I want 392 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: to hear from you, So right in to ask c 393 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: A L. That's askhal at the meeteater dot com and 394 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: let me know what's going on in your neck of 395 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: the woods. You know we appreciate it. That's all I 396 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: got for you this week. Thank you so much for listening. 397 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: Good hunting out there, folks. Be kind, be courteous, share 398 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: your you know your love of the outdoors. Talk to 399 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: you soon.