1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: From Futuro Media. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria jo Josa 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: today the Breakdown Heavy Metal edition for all of you wondering. Yes, 3 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: that's a metal version of the Latino USA theme song 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: that our producer Ginni Montalbo put together just for this 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: episode because we rocket like that. And that's because today 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about metal and the passionate fans that metal 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: has all over Latin America. And for this journey, I'm 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: going to hand things off to producers Antoine Lehidro and 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: Gini Montalbo, who are gonna take it from here. 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: So I'm in the studio today with producer Gini Montalbo. 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Helloi, So Antho, I want to take you back to 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: the Latin Grammys of twenty nineteen. 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 2: What happened, Well, a. 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Bunch of things happened, but relevant to today. Yeah, Lars 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 3: Ulrik of Metallica presented Juannas with the Person of the 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: Year award. It's kind of like a lifetime achievement. 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 4: I know we have Metallica. 18 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: Did not know that's where you were going to go with. 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: This surprise, but really you can see Juana is kind 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: of losing it on the video. But listen to him here. 21 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 5: Well, I'm thinking musing pictures of you guys, and you 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 5: guys child you I'm not a fan. 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 6: That's very funny to me. For those who don't know 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 6: who Juannas is, how would you describe his music? 25 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: It's like pop Yeah, it's like pop rock, but it's 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: very like got Me Sunda. 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: But I yeah, I had no idea he was a 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: huge metallica fan. 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: Juannas is a huge metal fan, and so were a 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: lot of people in Latin America. And that is what 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to be talking to you about today. 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Ooh, mysterious. I didn't know you were into metal. 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: Funny story because I'm actually not. 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 7: That. 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: I am surrounded by Latino metal heads. My brother was 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: in the metal growing up, my neighbors in the metal 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: and plays in a metal band. And what would life 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: be like if I didn't marry someone who was also 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: into metal? 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: Much quieter? 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: So, speaking about my husband Ornesto, who you know is 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: from Peru. He was telling me the story the other 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: day that got me thinking about this topic. It was 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: about the time when one of his favorite bands, the 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: British rockers Iron Maiden, came to Lima in two thousand 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: and nine. You have heard of Iron Maiden. 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 6: Right, I've seen the sweatshirts. 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: When Iron Maiden first came first, and now its actually 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: their visit to Lima. People started making plans to come 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 4: to the show. People started coming from other cities, even 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: from Ekualora. People drove all the way from Guayaqui from Quito, 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: like you would see Ecuadorian flax in the crowd. 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: People came from other countries. 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 4: And it eventerscended that there were some actual British mating 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 4: fans that came just so they could see what it 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: was like to see made him play a place for 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: the first time. 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 8: This is the first time in that room. 59 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: So the day of the show, actually I wait with 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: back coworkers and we all showed up for work in 61 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 4: our mating shirts that morning, and we took the afternoon off, 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: of course, and then the show began, and by the 63 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 4: third or fourth song, I started getting a little dizzy, 64 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: and after that I don't remember anything. 65 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: Next thing he knew. He opened his eyes and he 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: was at the emergency unit. 67 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: And the noise gave me a bottle of water and 68 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: told me I had to stay there for the next 69 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: thirty minutes before I could go back to the show. 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: So after that, a guy on the bed next to 71 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: Ornesto starts talking to him. 72 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: And he started selling me his story that he was 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 4: epileptic and that the lights on stage at basically every 74 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: show would trigger the seizers and he knew it, but 75 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 4: he was not going to miss any show because of that, 76 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: you know. So he knew that all he had to 77 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: do was just stand right next to this emergency unit, 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: rock the hell out, and then the minute disease has begun, 79 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: he will be taken care of, which I think was 80 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: the most rock and roll attitude ever. 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: It's so funny rock and roll. 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: So then as he was telling me this, Bruce Dickinson 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: goes scream for me Lima. 84 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: So I turned my head. 85 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 4: I see that the nurse in church of Me was 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: not looking at me, and I just ran back to 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: the mush bed. 88 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, intense, right. 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 6: Like, I know that metal is really popular in Latin America, 91 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 6: but I think it's like a lot of people don't 92 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 6: realize how big metal is. 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because the stereotypes of Latinos is that we're 94 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: always listening to like or like boom boom boom, regetong 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: what they never really associated with Latinos. Is heavy metal 96 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: and it's extreme fa and maybe that's because the stereotype 97 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: of metal in the US at least is that it 98 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: comes from a very white place. But metal is huge 99 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: in Latin America, all right. And to listen to this, 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: Spotify has this feature where you can see the top 101 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: five cities where people listen to a particular band. 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: Okay, so we're going to start with Iron Maiden and 103 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 6: you want to guess the top city Santiago, Chile. 104 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: That's a good guess, but you're wrong. 105 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: What city is it? 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: South outle of Brazil? I was closed, you know what 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: The second one is is actually santiagoa Chile, No way, Yeah, 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: And the third one is Mexico City. For Metallica's top five, 109 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: Mexico City is number one, and the rest of them 110 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: are all Latin American cities, all of them except for 111 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: the number four, which goes to Chicago. 112 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: Really yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, but it might be 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: all the Latinos in Chicago. 114 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: Maybe it is. Here's what James Headfield of Metallica has 115 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: to say. 116 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 9: All through South America has been always really good for Metallica, 117 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 9: very dedicated fans, you. 118 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: Know, and not only him, but Richie Faukner of Judas Priest, 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: another British metal band, said the. 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 10: Most extreme fans black country. 121 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 11: I wouldn't say one country. 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 8: In particular, it is go to be Danish South America 123 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 8: than are most extreme. 124 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 6: I mean you just have to see people in the 125 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 6: stands at soccer games to understand that. Like, Latin American 126 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 6: fans are no joke. 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: They are they do kind of fan hard. 128 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and nothing is harder than metal music. 129 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: Right, And since I am surrounded my metal, I started 130 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: to think about that, mainly because I don't fully understand it. 131 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, the more people who I spoke to 132 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: about this were like, I love metal, okay, but why 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what we're going to unpack to Antonia. 134 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: Not only is metal this overwhelming phenomena in Latin America, 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: but Latin Americans have altered the course of metal history itself. 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 6: Okay, so today we're talking about heavy metal right like 137 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 6: rock and roll time. 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: You are correct, then, though, heavy metal in Latin America 139 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: is a true passion. Take this gentleman from Ecuador. During 140 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: the above mentioned Iron Maiden tour. 141 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 12: Formia, they said. 142 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: Till death will be heavy metareros. 143 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 6: Okay, but before we get too far into the fanaticism, 144 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 6: I really need you to answer this very basic question, 145 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 6: which is what is heavy metal music. 146 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: I'm really glad you asked that, because metal on a 147 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: basic level is under the rock umbrella. 148 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: Got it. 149 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: But it usually brings heavily distorted guitars, wailing guitar solos, 150 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: massive drum sounds, some sort of screaming, and often there's 151 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: an occult element, things like images of demons, google and 152 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: other dark scary things. Some bands will paint their faces 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: to look like corpses, think like kiss and stuff like that. 154 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 7: Cool. 155 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 12: It sounds like for many people that is noise, but 156 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 12: it's not is You have to be a very accomplished 157 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 12: a musician. 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: This is Rodrio Sanchez from the Mexican guitar Do or 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: Rodrio Gabriela. They made a name for themselves when they 160 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: made acoustic covers of some of metal's greatest songs, like 161 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: metallicas O Ryme. Here's Gabriela intero of the group. 162 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 11: It's supposed to be completely not polished, the opposite of 163 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 11: mainstream pop music. There's a community that is not just 164 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 11: in Latin America but all over the world. 165 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: That to me, that's a truly world music. Metal, it seems, 166 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: is for everyone, including your a like this one who 167 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:58,479 Speaker 3: became a sensation at the Chilean Metallica concert. 168 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 6: Anyway, So this is like a Nawaita that showed up 169 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 6: atam Mentallica show. 170 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: Yep, that Aita. She's a big metal fan. And there 171 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: are rules to attending metal shows. Rule number one in 172 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: the mashpit, there is etiquette. Oh god, if somebody falls down, 173 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: you pick them up. And rule number two definitely buy 174 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: the merch. It behooves you to buy the merch. This 175 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: is Sasha Chanoi. He's my neighbor who I mentioned before, 176 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: who is half Argentinian and lived in Mexico for many years. 177 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 13: Part of it is this integral to the whole experience. 178 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 13: You have to display your colors because whenever you're in 179 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 13: a public area, you can spot those people who are 180 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 13: you know, like minded, whether you like black shirts or 181 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 13: slightly off black shirts. 182 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: Now I know that I can go attend to show. 183 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: We're both wearing black shirts. So clearly we got the memo. 184 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: But anto before you can understand metals appeal in Latin America, 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: you have to understand the music's roots. At the end 186 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: of the nineteen sixties and early seventies in Birmingham, England, 187 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: four guys were looking for an escape from their life 188 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: as factory workers. They are Black Sabbath, and one of 189 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: them was the young Ozzy Osbourne. Black Sabbath is arguably 190 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: the beginning of heavy metal. The music grew out of 191 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: the working class in England. 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 10: Once upon a time, there was no heavy metal music. 193 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 10: There was just the factory landscape of the Midlands and 194 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 10: the industrialized North, where the sounds and smells of metal 195 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 10: manufacture hung heavily in the air. 196 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: And the legend says that guitarist Tony Iomi suffered an 197 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: industrial accident and lost the tips of his fingers. Here 198 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: he is speaking in a documentary. 199 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 8: As the hospital was concerned I could never play again. 200 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: In order to play the guitar, he had to detune 201 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: the strength to loosen them to make it easier to play, 202 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: giving the guitar its gritty, heavy sounds. 203 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: Hold up, is this story true? 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: It is not a legend, it is facts. 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: Yes, that is crazy. 206 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 8: I came up with another sound by chewed in the 207 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 8: guitar down. I wanted it more gay and the dirty 208 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 8: sound more aggressive and more rule. 209 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: It's often said that the massive drum sounds are kind 210 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: of reminiscent of what you would hear in a factory, 211 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: like heavy machinery and stuff like that. The lyrics often 212 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: tackled themes of war, social issues, the supernatural, and, as 213 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: they put it, the timeless conflict between good and evil. 214 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: They were the product of their time. It was a 215 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: time right after the nineteen sixties British rock wave kind 216 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 3: of swept across the globe with this sometimes rosy rock 217 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: and roll. When it came to the early beatles Oh No. Two, 218 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: a more bluesy rolling stones and metal was the voice 219 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: that spoke against the establishment, something even more rebellious than 220 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: plain old rock and roll, something angrier, something louder. In Britain, 221 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: it grew out of the mood of the suppressed youth 222 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: at the time. It became an outlet for all the 223 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: frustrations and things you couldn't. 224 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 6: Say, okay, so what was happening in England at the 225 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 6: time that led people to feel oppressed. 226 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 10: All were aware that Britain was in its worst economic 227 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 10: crisis for more than forty years. 228 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: So after World War Two, in Britain, there was a 229 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: boom in manufacturing, but then during the nineteen seventies oil crisis, 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: there were massive layoffs. Wages couldn't keep up with the 231 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: staggering inflation. 232 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 10: People don't realize as well as the three million or 233 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 10: so already fully unemployed, there's hundreds of thousands more of us. 234 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: And by the end of the seventies, that's the infamous 235 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Winter of Discontent. Workers and trade unions began to strike, 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: and that anger came out in metal. Some of the 237 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: music had an anti war message, like Black Sabbath's Warpigs 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: in the Fields of Bodies Burning as Wa Machine and 239 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: Iron Maiden talked about colonialism and Run to the Hills. 240 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 8: The same. 241 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: But the music wasn't necessarily political. Whatever it was, it 242 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 3: was intense. It was music designed to make people feel powerful, 243 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 3: and that sentiment spread to the US, to Finland and Scandinavia, 244 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: and to Latin America. 245 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 6: Okay, so in the UK it was a time of 246 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 6: mass unemployment. The working class was really struggling. But what 247 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 6: about Latin America. What was happening there politically when metal 248 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 6: got so. 249 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: Big, Well, every country is dealing with something. There's the 250 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: dictatorships of the seventies, like Binocche and Chile and the 251 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: Junta in Argentinablo racism, poverty, foreign interventions, Pablo Escobars in Colombia, 252 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: and like in the UK, Latin America's youth found an 253 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: outlet for their anger. 254 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 5: In metal domessages, open your eyes, try to sink for yourself. 255 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 5: We don't need to trust politics. 256 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: This is Coteo. He co runs Rockaccess dot com, a 257 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: digital magazine that started in Chile dedicated to rock and 258 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: metal across Latin America, and Coote was also the producer 259 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: of a very successful and popular show in the nineties. 260 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 3: MTV Headbangers was a show that started in nineteen eighty 261 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: seven in the USA and played music videos and interviews 262 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: from the decades. Heaviest of Heavies, Yes, just the head 263 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: Bangers born. 264 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: I'm d Snyder. 265 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 5: We're an MTV Latino decide to open their operations in 266 00:14:54,880 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: South America Latin America. You can see in the few 267 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 5: shows that were coming to Latin America were huge iron 268 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 5: made and kids Ossi scorpions, the impact of Metallica of Pantera. 269 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: So seeing the big audience and metal concerts, MTV decides 270 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: to bring Headbangers to Latin America. Yes, we're going to talk, 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: and they asked got It to produce it. 272 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 5: I believe the first two years it was there by 273 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 5: far the most viewed, the most letters, facts, it was 274 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 5: the most request show. 275 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: And even before that, metal bands were popping up in 276 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: Latin America in the late seventies and early eighties. 277 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 6: What are the local Latin American bands that get really big. 278 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: There's definitely way, way, way too many to discuss in 279 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: this episode, but here's a few in Argentina, There's and Riff. 280 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: Then in the mid eighties Cracking from Columbia. Side note, 281 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: while we're in Colombia, did you know that the young 282 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: Juan Is actually started in a metal band called Echimosis. 283 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: That's coming full circle. 284 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: That is why Lars Ulrik of Metallica giving him an 285 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: award was such a big deal because it was his 286 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: idol and that is where he started. 287 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: Now it makes sense, okay. 288 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: But perhaps the biggest metal country in Latin America of 289 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: all is Brazil. According to the Encyclopedia Metallum. That's not real, 290 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: it is one. Brazil has the largest number of metal 291 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: bands in Latin America, but the biggest thing to come 292 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 3: out of Brazil was the game changing global phenomena that 293 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: was and is Sepultura. 294 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 14: I think the condition. We are very poor and we 295 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 14: didn't have much money, and we hated our job. We 296 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 14: worked in factories me and Igor and worked like shoe 297 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 14: factory and hat factory, and we hate it. 298 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: This is Max cavlera founding member of Brazilian band, talking 299 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: about why he and other Brazilians were attracted to metal. 300 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 14: That music was like perfect for a turd war pissed 301 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 14: off kid. It was like the best you know, you 302 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 14: you come home after work, piste off, you hate your boss, 303 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 14: and then you put some venom and you put some 304 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 14: hell hammer and and it's perfect. It's like the best music. 305 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 14: Great dad, brother Dodok. 306 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: And these pissed off working class Brazilian kids ended up 307 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: changing the sound of metal all over the. 308 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 6: World coming up and its massive impact on metal. 309 00:17:51,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 7: Stay with us. 310 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 6: And we're back. Right before the break, we had just 311 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 6: established how metal reached Latin America. 312 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: Right, metal was somewhere for people to voice their frustrations 313 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: over the socio political issues going on in their respective countries. 314 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: And now we're going to hear about how Latin America 315 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: changed metal history and even helped establish a whole new 316 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: subgenre of the music. 317 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 14: I'm back, I'm Areas, I'm I'm Paul, Oh yeah, Sepultury 318 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 14: and You're wanted to and to bed Buners. 319 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: Through the Brazilian band Sepultura. 320 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 11: The best most base in my life was during the Sepulturial. 321 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 5: Gave a trash fun and. 322 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: Sepultura right before the break. We heard from Max Cavalderra, 323 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: co founder of Sepultura, and the way he tells it, 324 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 3: he wasn't actually into music in the beginning. 325 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 14: Everything really started when we saw Queen Queen playing Brazil 326 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 14: in nineteen eighty one. Before that, me and Igor we 327 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 14: wrote only into football and it was it was mesmerizing, 328 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 14: it was blown away. I remember me and my brother 329 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 14: went to the local shop and bought cassettes of Queen 330 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 14: and Kiss and I think we became rock and rollers 331 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 14: right there on the spot. 332 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: In the nineteen eighties in Brazil, it was the beginning 333 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 3: of democratization and and there was a lot of upheaval 334 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: in the country along with an economic crisis, and just 335 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: like Black Sabbath in the UK in the seventies, Max's 336 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: surroundings were part of what drew him to the music. 337 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 14: The violence of the country mixed with the poverty, mixed 338 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 14: with the corruption, attracts people to like metal. They need 339 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 14: something to fight that corruption, poverty, oppression. We took hold 340 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 14: of that music became something that we could count on 341 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 14: it to get true. 342 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: I was like a weapon. Max and his brother Igor 343 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: started Sepultura in nineteen eighty four in their hometown of Belo, Risanti. 344 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 14: It's a small scene, especially where we're from. Sam Paulo 345 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 14: is the big city where there was a big scene 346 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 14: of metal heads, and bel Arizonte was smaller, and it's 347 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 14: a really conservative religious kind of city. There's churches on 348 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 14: every corner. 349 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: This is another important point we haven't mentioned about Latin America. 350 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Much of Latin America's pretty conservative, primarily Catholic. So the 351 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: youth who grappled with the church's teachings or conservativism found 352 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: metal as an outlet as well. It was a way 353 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: to rebel against the church. 354 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 14: We took pictures in front of churches in cemetery. We 355 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 14: loved the way we dressed, We loved that we wear 356 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 14: black shirts, and we didn't look like what society wanted 357 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 14: people to look. 358 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 3: Like we were like black Sheep, and we knew that 359 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: and were proud of it. Max mentioned earlier they were 360 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: listening to bands like hell Hammer and Venom, who were 361 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: pioneers of black metal, an extreme kind of metal big 362 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: in the Nordic countries that was associated with Satanism and 363 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: even church burnings. And actually, side note, the Catholic Church 364 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: in Latin America and at least one case did go 365 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: head to head with metal. It was in nineteen ninety. 366 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 8: Two and Chile the typical group of conduct. 367 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 3: They put pressure on the government to ban the group 368 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 3: from performing, claiming their music was satanic, so the show 369 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: got canceled. 370 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: They actually canceled the show, yep, And that, my friends, 371 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: is the power of the Catholic Church in Latin America. 372 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: And Iron Maiden is way less extreme than these bands 373 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: that we were just talking about. What the church didn't 374 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: understand is that a lot of metal fans weren't real Satanists. 375 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: A lot of people just think all the dark imagery 376 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: is cool. 377 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 14: We went to a it was this kind of graveyard, 378 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 14: and we found a grave that was open and there 379 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 14: was a bunch of skulls in it, and so we 380 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 14: stole one of the skulls. And then we were walking 381 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 14: home and we had the skull in our backpack and 382 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 14: I told my friend I cannot bring that skull home. 383 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: My mom would kill me. Conservative or not, I'm pretty 384 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 3: sure my mom would kill me too if I came 385 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: home with a skull. 386 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: Very rock and roll. So how did Hipple Dudda become 387 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: the most famous metal band in Latin America? 388 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: Seplas a conscious decision to speak English. 389 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 14: Right at the beginning, we were kind of criticized in Brazil. 390 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 14: People did not like that, they thought because a lot 391 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 14: of bands saying in Portuguese. But we kind of wanted 392 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 14: always our goals to be international. 393 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 8: To go to the world, you know. 394 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 14: So if you want to do that, you have to 395 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 14: you have to do it in English. 396 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: Their first albums created a buzz in the metal world, 397 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: and in nineteen ninety one they release A Rise and 398 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: embark on a tour for two years out and on 399 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 3: this tour something happens to Sepultura. Maxis said in an 400 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: interview that it was the first time that they saw 401 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: the world and it gave them perspective on what it 402 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: was to be Brazilian outside of their country. He said, 403 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: quote we were still writing lyrics that were very heavy metal, 404 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: very based in fantasy, but now we began to get 405 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 3: more social and political end quote, and so in nineteen 406 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: ninety three they put those politics in their next album, Chaosad, 407 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: which took the band from underground to a household name. 408 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: But it's the album after that in nineteen ninety six 409 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 3: which really cements their legacy and ends up having a 410 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 3: really big impact on metal around the world. It was 411 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: called Roots. 412 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 14: I think it kind of we threw the heavy metal 413 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 14: rule book out of the window and say there's no rule, 414 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 14: We do whatever we want. I think it was like 415 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 14: mixing Brazilian percussion with metal. 416 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: For example, on one of their songs called Rata Mahata, 417 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: they collaborated with the fame Brazilian percussionist Carlinus Brown. 418 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 14: Nobody knew if it was gonna work or not, but 419 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 14: we were so confident in it. 420 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: On another song, you can hear the guitars mimicking the 421 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: sound of the traditional Brazilian instrument, the beating bao. 422 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 6: Is that the one that sounds like a little dog yelping, No, that's. 423 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: The quaker, This is the beating bao. And here's Roots. 424 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: Whoa cool, very cool, and then I had. 425 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 14: The idea to record with the original music of Brazil 426 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 14: before some but before Bostonova, before all that, which is 427 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 14: the real, real people from Brazil, the brazil and Indians. 428 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: They collaborated with the indigenous tribe, the Chavantes. It was 429 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: a way to embrace what Brazil had to offer. 430 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 14: The identity with your country, and it was kind of 431 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 14: like embracing the roots of your country, but not really 432 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 14: a nationalistic, not really patriotic. Brazil is full of bad stuff, 433 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 14: you know, there's a corruption and poverty and crime, and 434 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 14: so we kind of like look to the other side 435 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 14: of Brazil, the things that we were proud of it, 436 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 14: and that's the music side, you know, with the percussion, 437 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 14: the beauty of it. So I think this is why 438 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 14: this record became so important, like letting other nations, other 439 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 14: people embrace their own roots. 440 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 3: And it worked. 441 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 14: We found out that the album was really well received 442 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 14: all over the world, especially countries like France. They really 443 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 14: really loved the record right away. 444 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: Not only France, but across the globe. The impact of 445 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 3: Roots was felt. The album dropped in March of nineteen 446 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: ninety six and it is certified gold status both in 447 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: the US and the UK. The band became a sensation. 448 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: Here's they grow all of the Foo fighters randomly bringing 449 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 3: up his love of Sepultura recently on James Cordon. 450 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 15: But you know what's crazy, One of my favorite heavy 451 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 15: metal bands of all time is from Brazil. Really this 452 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 15: band called Sepultura. 453 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: Listen to the people were cheering. 454 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 15: One of the crazy things they did. They made this 455 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 15: album called Roots, and it was like Roots, but they 456 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 15: incorporated crazy Brazilian instrumentation into like the heaviest music you've 457 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 15: ever heard in your life. It kind of like changed 458 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 15: the game. It was the heaviest thing ever. 459 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: Even be York is a fan. 460 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 10: I really want to see Sepultera. 461 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: I still haven't seen them. 462 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: And Rodrigo from the guitar duo we heard earlier, has 463 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: this take to me said the bar. 464 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 12: I think the fact that they came from Brazil made 465 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 12: them even more powerful, and that blend of tribal elements 466 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 12: they went so well with metal, and. 467 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: That sound becomes a staple of what's known as new metal. 468 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: New metal is a subgenre that we'll go over the nineties. 469 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 3: It's a mix of rap and heavy metal with lots 470 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 3: of rhythmic breakdowns. Think like Lincoln Park and Corns. Bands 471 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 3: were listening to Seple tour A's mix of Brazilian percussion 472 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: and metal and putting that in their music. Okay, Antonio, 473 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: let's do some a being shall we? 474 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 2: Are you ready for this? Yes, I'm excited. 475 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 3: This is Corn's track Adidas, And now listen to. 476 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I totally hear it Incubus. 477 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: Incubus actually started as a pretty hard rocking metal band. 478 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: Take a listen. That's this is Spuda. 479 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 6: So I hear the influence, specifically in the percussive nature 480 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 6: of these songs. 481 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: It's like yeah. 482 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: In Latin America, they influenced bands like I Matter from Argentina, 483 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: from Chile and from Puerto Rico. Uses Afro Caribbean rhythms 484 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: to bring a different swing to metal as well. Gave 485 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: Latin America a sense of pride like Okay, they can 486 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: do it, so we can't too. But there's more because 487 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: the Who, a Mongolian throat metal band who has also 488 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: said is one of their influences for their brand of 489 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: throat singing tribal music fused with metal. 490 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: God, I want to hear this. Oh, I totally hear it. 491 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: The original lineup of Sepultura split in nineteen ninety right 492 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: after that groundbreaking album Roots. Twenty three years later, they 493 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: set the bar really high and turned the world's gaze 494 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 3: to the metal coming out of Latin America. They broke 495 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 3: the mold for what metal was supposed to sound like 496 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: by creating a completely new sound, a sound that came 497 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: out of their reality and that embraced the beauty of 498 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: their country. Here's Max Cavalera again. 499 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 14: I'll often say music saved my life, and I believe 500 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 14: that's totally true because a lot of other people that 501 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 14: we knew friends got involved in drugs and cartels and 502 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 14: they got killed or they went to jail for a 503 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 14: long time, and those options were really close to us. 504 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 14: But we stick with music and that was the best 505 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 14: decision we made. 506 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 6: So GINI, after breaking down metal, have you come around 507 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 6: on this music? 508 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: Are you going to be a metal head from now on? 509 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: That's a big no. 510 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 511 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: I still do not share a love of metal, but 512 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: I do understand it a little more, and my biggest 513 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: takeaway is how metal can really unite people no matter 514 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: what your background is. It kind of gives people the 515 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 3: freedom to be angry. 516 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody deserves to be angry every now and then. 517 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 3: And if you look at the numbers, according to the 518 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: Encyclopedia Metallum. 519 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: Our favorite Encyclopedia Metallum. 520 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: There are over one hundred thousand metal bands in existence 521 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: across the globe. 522 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 6: Honestly, after hearing the story, I'm not surprised. Metal is everywhere, 523 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 6: Metal everybody. Metal is the true world music, world music. 524 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: Anthonia. I have one more thing, Okay, you and the 525 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: world know that I'm a mom. Yes, and I was 526 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 3: tipped off while I was doing this story to this 527 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: heavy metal band for kids. Oh my god, called heavy 528 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: so cute. Yeah, it's a bunch of dinosaurs who saying 529 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 3: about important things like wanting milk and such and so 530 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: now you and your kids can bond over heavy metal. 531 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 6: Hell yeah, all right, Thanks Jimi for bringing us all 532 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 6: of this heavy metal mayhem. And for those of you 533 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 6: who want to know more about the metal coming out 534 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 6: of Latin America, go to our specially curated Spotify playlist 535 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 6: with a ton of Metal for your enjoyment at Latino 536 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 6: USA's website latinousa dot org. 537 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: Don't Care. 538 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Gini Montalbo and edited by 539 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: Marlon Bishop. Fact checking for this episode by Amy Tardif. 540 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: The Latino USA team includes Miel Masis, Andrea Lopez Gruzsalo 541 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Marta Martinez, Julia Ta Martinelli, Alejandra Saarrasser, Renaldo Leanos Junior, 542 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: and Julia Rocha with help from Raoul Perees. 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Join 550 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: us again on our next episode, and in the meantime, 551 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: look for us on all of your social media. 552 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 15: Jao. 553 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 9: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Heising 554 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 9: Simons Foundation Unlocking knowledge, opportunity and possibilities More at hsfoundation 555 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 9: dot org, the wind Coat Foundation, and the John D. 556 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 9: And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. 557 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: There's definitely way Way way too many in this podcast. 558 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 3: But here's a few. Nope, that's not there's obviously too 559 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: many in this podcast. There's too much metal. 560 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: Him Maria Josa and next time on Latino USA, How 561 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: I Made It. Rodrigo I. Gabriella's latest album, met Evolution, 562 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: won the Grammy for Best Contemporary Instrumental Album last year. 563 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: That's next time on Latino USA.