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Speaker 1: Some very special programming today featuring billionaire Mark Cuban on

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Speaker 1: how he made his money and then lost it and

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Speaker 1: then made even more. You know, you know, Cuban made

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Speaker 1: some of his money betting against some of the companies

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Speaker 1: that he did business with. And of course we'll also

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Speaker 1: hear from about owning a basketball team and how he

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Speaker 1: didn't care if he overpaid for it. And David Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: host of the David Rubinstein Show Peer to Peer Conversations,

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Speaker 1: begins here by kind of going through all of Cubans successes.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen in Mark, let me ask you this um

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Speaker 1: you have at an early age made some money, and

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Speaker 1: then you made an enormous amount of money when you

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Speaker 1: sold broadcast dot Com to Yahoo, made you know, over

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars, and then you bought a basketball team.

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Speaker 1: Then you have a Shark Tank series that's very successful,

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Speaker 1: one Emmy award. You're well regarded by entrepreneurs all over

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Speaker 1: the world. Presidents the United States call you for advice.

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Speaker 1: What is wrong with this life? I mean, there's something

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Speaker 1: about your life. It isn't perfect. I have kids. I

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Speaker 1: have a sixteen year old daughter and a fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old daughter. That's all any parent needs to hear it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you have or what you don't have.

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Speaker 1: The minute my oldest daughter turned fifteen, my wife and

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Speaker 1: I got really stupid, lost half our brain capacity and

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Speaker 1: are beholden to our kids for their with It's you know,

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Speaker 1: being a parent is a challenge and um it's very

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Speaker 1: humbling as ever as everybody knows. Well. I have three

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Speaker 1: children as well, and I agree. So you grew up

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, but not from a wealthy and a wealthy family,

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Speaker 1: is that right? No? My my dad did a poultry

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Speaker 1: on cars, my mom did our jobs. He went to

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Speaker 1: University of Pittsburgh. I was always into business, just how

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Speaker 1: I've been since as long as I can remember. And

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Speaker 1: my high school wouldn't let me take business classes, and

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Speaker 1: so as a as a junior, as a sophomore junior,

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Speaker 1: there were only senior level economics classes, and so just

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Speaker 1: despite them, I started taking classes at night and my

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Speaker 1: my senior year, went to the University of Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: took classes there. But then you went to Indiana University.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you go to Indiana Because pitt didn't have

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Speaker 1: a full undergrad business program. And I saw a list

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Speaker 1: site unseen. Now. When you were there, you started a

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Speaker 1: of successful. So my I always like my parents to

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Speaker 1: I was able to get scholarships, other times, you know,

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Speaker 1: just saving money from jobs I had. Other times it

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Speaker 1: was a hustle. So when you graduated, you moved to Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Why did you move to Dallas. I had a bunch

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Speaker 1: to one, my buddy, Greg Shipper, on the phone and

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Speaker 1: I'm coming. But you ultimately start today kind of technology

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Speaker 1: consulting firm. Is that what it was? Well, what happened

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Speaker 1: and so I started my own company, micro Solutions, which

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Speaker 1: it seven years later for six million dollars, of which

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Speaker 1: you've got two million dollars, which is a king's ransom

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Speaker 1: in those days for somebody your age. Right, Yeah, I was,

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Speaker 1: This is ninety nine. In my mind, I was just

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Speaker 1: And so we sold microsolutions, and I literally retired by

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Speaker 1: an idea which was to listen to Indiana University basketball

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Speaker 1: Right by the time I sold micro solutions, you know,

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Speaker 1: lot of money actually afterwards, just trading technology stocks because

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Speaker 1: back then it was so much easier, you know. I'd

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Speaker 1: call up Rick Sherlan who had Goldman Sachs or you

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Speaker 1: and we would just swap ideas and I knew more

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Speaker 1: I then got together with my buddy Todd Wagner, who

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Speaker 1: the idea. He was like, this new internet thing. You

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Speaker 1: understand technology? Is there any way that we can listen

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Speaker 1: to Indiana basketball um using the Internet? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: But you took the company public, Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: July eighteenth and n and the stock zoomed. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: You know, we had rights to all the major sports leagues.

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Speaker 1: Let's combined forces. And they made us an offer we

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Speaker 1: ultimately the five point seven billion dollars in points. So

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Speaker 1: Why what propelled you to buy a basketball team? So

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Speaker 1: I've always been a basketball junkie as long as I

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Speaker 1: can remember, And so I was the Dallas Mavericks season

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Speaker 1: they were awful. I mean all of the nineties. They

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. It was the thousand season open

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Speaker 1: And you know, I just sold broadcast dot Com and

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Speaker 1: billionaire Mark Cuban with David Rubinstein, host of The David

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