WEBVTT - Introducing — Smart Girl Dumb Questions

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Naima Raza.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all of you, I have been living for Curse

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<v Speaker 2>of America's Next Top Model. So to help with your

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<v Speaker 2>and my withdrawal from season one, Bridget invited me to

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<v Speaker 2>share a little bit about my weekly show, which is

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<v Speaker 2>called Smart Girl Dumb Questions. We'll play you a taste

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<v Speaker 2>of a recent episode I did with Astair Perrell, the

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<v Speaker 2>renowned psychotherapist and relationship expert, as we unpack why love

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<v Speaker 2>feels so hard these days. Have a listen, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you like it, you can get the full conversation by

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<v Speaker 2>searching for Smart Girl Dumb Questions wherever you get your podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can follow or subscribe to the show for

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<v Speaker 2>new episodes every Tuesday. Astaire Parrell, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>Pleasure to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you not familiar with Ustair's work, She's

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<v Speaker 2>written two international bestsellers. She's given ted talks that have

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<v Speaker 2>been viewed over fifty million times. She's a keen observer

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<v Speaker 2>of what's happening in our relationships, not just in our

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<v Speaker 2>love lives, but at work in all the ways that

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<v Speaker 2>we relate to one another. I think you're really an

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<v Speaker 2>expert on humans on.

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<v Speaker 3>What humans do to eat, children, experience sweety children, and

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<v Speaker 3>long from each other and.

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<v Speaker 2>Long from each other. I want to know what you

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<v Speaker 2>long for. We're going to get there. I have questions

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<v Speaker 2>for you about why is it harder to fall in

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<v Speaker 2>love as time goes on. I can't tell if it's age,

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<v Speaker 2>or if it's this modern life, or if there's something

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<v Speaker 2>about me. And I also want to start, though, with

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<v Speaker 2>something a little bit nostalgic, which is the first time

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<v Speaker 2>we met, because we're also friends Estherah and I.

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<v Speaker 3>I have an image of us walking out of a

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<v Speaker 3>building on the street. But what were we doing in

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<v Speaker 3>that building?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that the Spotify building?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? But what were we doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>We were chatting, and we were chatting off the record,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet I wanted to buy some tape from it today.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Of the records that you recorded me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember, I asked you for your permission, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was for my own notes. It was for my

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<v Speaker 2>own notes, and I kept it and if it's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll play it for you or if you don't like

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<v Speaker 2>curiosity is odd? I know that this is the whole

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<v Speaker 2>point of the show, Smart Girl, Dumb questions.

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<v Speaker 4>We are wanting something that is at the opposite of

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<v Speaker 4>where we are living. When you live in Pakistan, when

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<v Speaker 4>your mother lives in Pakistan, because you're already the generation

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<v Speaker 4>moving and so you are super rich and fascinating and

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<v Speaker 4>fucked up because you are constantly negotiating. It makes you

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<v Speaker 4>the most pertinent global citizen and an amazing journalist, but

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<v Speaker 4>you are constantly translating between different value systems. Well as

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<v Speaker 4>your mother, she knew what was expected from her as

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<v Speaker 4>a wife, as a mother, as a woman, as a daughter,

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<v Speaker 4>and as a pious press.

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<v Speaker 1>The rules were clear. The rules weren't clear. The norms

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<v Speaker 1>are clear, the expectations are clear. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>certainty here, very little freedom. There's a lot of freedom

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<v Speaker 1>here and very good consurdity because everything now has to

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<v Speaker 1>be negotiated. Everything that was a rule has become a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything that was a rule has become a conversation. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think hearing that, I still like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that one of the most interesting shifts that

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<v Speaker 3>has taken place in the realm of relationships is the

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<v Speaker 3>shift from relationships that are defined by duty and obligation,

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<v Speaker 3>by loyalty and community, to relationships that became defined by

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<v Speaker 3>feelings rather than values, and by personal authenticity rather than loyalty.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that the majority of the world is

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<v Speaker 3>still living with the very first model. But there are

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<v Speaker 3>so many people on this planet. You are one of

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<v Speaker 3>them who are constantly straddling both. And the reason I

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<v Speaker 3>said to you all of this, it's all coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason you told me unfact.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I mean confused, it is probably better. It's rich,

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<v Speaker 3>it's very layered, it's it's you know, it's because that

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<v Speaker 3>same weekend you were going to Washington to visit your father,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, how much do you live between these

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<v Speaker 3>two worlds? You know, the world where you had very

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<v Speaker 3>little freedom, with a lot of clarity and certainty, and

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<v Speaker 3>the world where you have a ton of freedom. But

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<v Speaker 3>you are often written with self doubt and with uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 3>as we are today here in the way, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to our romantic relationships. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that one is better than the other.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, and I love that you still think

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<v Speaker 2>this way. Because this was seven years ago. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's esther prow this. You know, you were really on

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<v Speaker 2>up at that time as well. I think your career

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<v Speaker 2>was like you still are, but that was like you

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<v Speaker 2>were taking off in a way, and that was the

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<v Speaker 2>first year. Yeah, the first year of that takeoff, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I really appreciate it. Was like, oh, she

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<v Speaker 2>basically diagnosed me, But she also diagnosed a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>our society. Because it isn't just about international and cultural

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<v Speaker 2>it's about the way in which the role of a

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<v Speaker 2>woman has changed tremendously between a generation. And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>my first question for you is, has feminism fucked us?

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<v Speaker 2>Has this idea of this changing role of women in

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<v Speaker 2>some way put us an extension between what this old

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<v Speaker 2>world and this new world and in this constant sense

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<v Speaker 2>of negotiation and self doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>I absolutely wouldn't say that it has sucked us up.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's not a way I think. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's an extremely important movement in the history of

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<v Speaker 3>people of humankind, for men and women and everybody included. So,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do think that change happens in multiple phases.

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<v Speaker 3>You can make a declaration, you can change the law,

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<v Speaker 3>you can open doors, but what follows in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the intricacies of the experience takes more than one generation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, every time I want to be critical of feminism,

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<v Speaker 3>I only have to think about the places where women

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<v Speaker 3>have zero voice or power or protection. I have to

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<v Speaker 3>think about my own grandmother, who you know, the gap

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<v Speaker 3>between where she was and where I am. I have

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<v Speaker 3>to think even with my mother and how she was

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<v Speaker 3>a full time working person. We lived above the store,

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<v Speaker 3>so I saw her working morning and night. The store

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<v Speaker 3>was opened some days till nine o'clock. She came upstairs.

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<v Speaker 3>She cooked her two meals made from scratch, and there

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<v Speaker 3>was no complaint. But her aspiration inside was that is

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<v Speaker 3>there a different way? Is there a way that she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have to carry some of the burdens that she

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<v Speaker 3>was carrying. And then came the next generation, which began

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<v Speaker 3>to say, if I do all these things, you partner,

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<v Speaker 3>she should do those things too. And then came my generation,

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically the designer generation. I get to design

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<v Speaker 3>my relationship, but that demands that I know what I want.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, authenticity and to be true to ourselves is

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<v Speaker 3>not an easy thing to come by, and certainly not

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<v Speaker 3>in your twenties. So when you say what's changed, you

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<v Speaker 3>know in the sixties, eighty percent of people in their

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<v Speaker 3>twenties in the United States were married. Today in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>percent of people in their twenties are marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think eighty percent of people in their

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<v Speaker 2>thirties are married.

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<v Speaker 3>But that means that, you know, our parents' generation saw

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<v Speaker 3>marriage as a cornerstone experience. I meet you, and together

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<v Speaker 3>we build the foundation of our life. We have developed

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<v Speaker 3>the capstone experience of marriage, marriage or committed relationships, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter. But the capstone thing means I've already developed.

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<v Speaker 3>I've already built myself. I'm already on a certain track.

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<v Speaker 3>I have an idea of what I want where I

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<v Speaker 3>stand in the world, and you come as a confirmation

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<v Speaker 3>of who I am. You come to help me preserve

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<v Speaker 3>my hard one identity.

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<v Speaker 2>And so much of our culture is like self help,

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<v Speaker 2>self life, self.

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<v Speaker 3>Too much self in front of every word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, what word would you put there instead of self?

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<v Speaker 3>Other?

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<v Speaker 2>Other others?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think that the the over index, the

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<v Speaker 3>over emphasis on the self at a detriment of our

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<v Speaker 3>ability to actually think about others, is not necessarily helping

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<v Speaker 3>us at this point, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I see the shift you're talking about from the other

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<v Speaker 2>to ourself, and I think about it a lot, especially

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<v Speaker 2>because of my cultural words. As you said, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to visit my father, and after my father passed away,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a whole piece about how obligation gives doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just take. It gives a lot. But I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this realness story.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that we need more people in that sense,

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<v Speaker 3>like you, you know you, it's very natural for you

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<v Speaker 3>to write that piece, but in fact it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>natural piece for others who know you to read, and

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<v Speaker 3>it puts them in front of another dimension. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Obligation is not hot at this moment, it's not popular.

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<v Speaker 3>Authenticity and personal truth and honesty is much more, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and we will forego our relationships at this moment in

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<v Speaker 3>order to preserve this authenticity. And what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 3>a relational model, which I think we could really use

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<v Speaker 3>hearing a lot more about because it directly connects to

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<v Speaker 3>everything else people want to discuss about loneliness xcept these

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<v Speaker 3>things are connected, except.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like you said, like you diagnosed the first

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<v Speaker 2>time I met. It's extremely challenging because I have this

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<v Speaker 2>other orientation. I want to be, you know, dutiful, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to in many ways model parts of what

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<v Speaker 2>my mother has done. But I also have this real

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<v Speaker 2>tension and expectation and experience of being a highly independent, individualized,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, person in this world with a lot of freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of choice. So that's why I ask the

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<v Speaker 2>question that feminism fuck us. I ask it partly rhetorically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I also think there's a changing role of women

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<v Speaker 2>that is objectively good and yet hasn't been captured and

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<v Speaker 2>really dealt with as a society. For what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's going to be multi generational for it to

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<v Speaker 2>be absorbed.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, it needs to metabolize. But I think if you're

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<v Speaker 3>asking about the foundations of changing the dynamic between the roles,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean you. I came to hear you

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<v Speaker 3>do a leader dialogue or a debate recently about masculinity.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what was at a comedy seller, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>the interesting thing is that the person started to talk

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<v Speaker 3>by talking about the Women's Revolution and that that revolution

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<v Speaker 3>actually hadn't just changed the life of women, but it

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<v Speaker 3>had actually changed the lives of men, and it gave

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<v Speaker 3>birth to a very very important development, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>making of modern fatherhood, which is a huge but we

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<v Speaker 3>don't talk about that in of the revolution. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the men's movement we just we've decided that the women

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<v Speaker 3>had a revolution and the men have not had it yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do know.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they've had it? Have men had a

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<v Speaker 2>revolution yet? Like a feminist revolution?

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<v Speaker 3>But from me, I think that women have had about

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<v Speaker 3>fifty sixty years of examining their lives and their position

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<v Speaker 3>in this world, and their aspirations and rights and narratives,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that men have not had it in

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<v Speaker 3>a systematic a way. There are pockets, but they have not,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that in that sense, the restrictions are

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<v Speaker 3>much stronger on the men.

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<v Speaker 2>Does there need to be a masculinity revolution?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think if it as a revolution, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that that everybody stands to gain from revisiting taboos, rigidities,

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<v Speaker 3>set norms, and constraining and constricting narratives and roles. What's wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's kind of an obvious thing. Why would

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<v Speaker 3>why Why wouldn't we? And I think that it would

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<v Speaker 3>change the lives of many. But that's the point of view,

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<v Speaker 3>right right? Is status quo something that must be preserved

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<v Speaker 3>or is there something inherently good in revisiting social norms?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right now it seems like we're in a moment

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<v Speaker 2>of reckoning with social norms, because I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you've read a lot about the tradwife revolution or the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of interesting it's not a revolution, yes, okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>trade wife trend, yes, the tradwife trend, yes, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of women looking for a guy and finance sex five,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera trend. Do you see any of these as like,

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<v Speaker 2>are these extremely nostalgic or they reactions to our time?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you make sense of these gender role like reassertions?

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<v Speaker 3>Every time you go to see an exhibit on the generate.

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<v Speaker 2>Art every every Tuesday for me, yes, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean there have been amazing exhibits of that. You get

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<v Speaker 3>a sense as to what was considered degenerate. And one

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<v Speaker 3>of the first things that was considered degenerate is gender

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<v Speaker 3>roles that become more fluid, And what was considered degenerate

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a blurring between fiction and reality and

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<v Speaker 3>what was considered more fluid, you know it. So the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite of that is that you then't look at what

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<v Speaker 3>was the art that was actually revered, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>a table of people around, you know, all impeccably dressed

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<v Speaker 3>with the woman who is serving the whole clan of

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<v Speaker 3>the family and who finds meaning in that subservience, and

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<v Speaker 3>there is order, there is clarity of roles, there is

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<v Speaker 3>hierarchy of gender, and that is extremely comforting. So I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that I would call it just nostalgic. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that wherever you have rises of authoritarianism and where

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<v Speaker 3>in the world, it is accompanied with a redefinition of

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<v Speaker 3>rigid gender roles, traditional gender roles. If you redefine the

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<v Speaker 3>role of the woman, you redefine the role of the men. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>they are interdependent. The trad wife does not exist without

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<v Speaker 3>a counterpart. She's always accompanied by.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes it sound like it's something that's happening, But

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<v Speaker 2>I think women are lasting for something. I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of like, I kind of think.

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<v Speaker 3>They may participate in this the same you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not that it is imposed on them, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>related to a recreation of a certain social order that

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<v Speaker 3>is broader than just gender, and it comes with authoritarianism

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<v Speaker 3>autocratic regimes. The same thing happens around sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a conversation with you. Never forget the first

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<v Speaker 3>question he asked me is why does every authoritarian regime

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<v Speaker 3>come with an instant repression around sexuality. It's messy, and

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<v Speaker 3>authoritarianism doesn't like messy blurred lines, blurred roles.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Trad Wives is very clear. You know, you've defined it

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<v Speaker 3>to me. The way she dresses, she cooks, she bakes, she's,

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<v Speaker 3>she's she can mean, you know, the whole, and that

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<v Speaker 3>art exists. I mean, it's very interesting to look at

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<v Speaker 3>it historically because it brought a sense of structure order.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone knows their place, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, like about what you said, what is considered degenerate

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<v Speaker 2>at the time is like an opposition to whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>The generate is always considered the same thing. The blurring

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<v Speaker 3>is considered degenerate. The blurring of genders is the general.

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<v Speaker 3>The blurring of higher chides the general.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like it's not like child wives are

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<v Speaker 2>degenerate because they're pushing against the current. It's always know, what.

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<v Speaker 3>Is considered not okay is kids who think that they

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<v Speaker 3>have too much importance, rather than there are little ones

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<v Speaker 3>that are very nicely, obedient and dressed and stand by

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<v Speaker 3>you like this. You know, I wish everybody else wishes

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<v Speaker 3>their kids would stand like that, nice nicely next to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody is in their place, which makes it easier for

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<v Speaker 3>others to move them.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, to control the system. So there's also this other

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<v Speaker 2>narrative right now that men are being commoditized. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>watch them? You watch the movie Materialists? Yes, okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you think of the Materialists as a concept the relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>not the film, but the idea for this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all in the math.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all a transaction.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all in the math.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you agree that that's how our culture looks at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there is something about that in our culture. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is consumerism marrying romanticism becoming romantic consumerism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it's it's you know, it's emotional capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>So the idea, I mean, the way the film for

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<v Speaker 2>people who haven't seen it came out.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a ten, he's a ten, he's a unicorn, she's

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<v Speaker 3>a six, Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just amazing everyone has a number. And

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<v Speaker 2>then to promote the film, they put a stock price

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<v Speaker 2>ticker literally at the you know, the New York Stock Exchange,

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<v Speaker 2>that had men and their height and their salaries, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were running them up and down as if it

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<v Speaker 2>was a exchange. It is terrible do you think, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that sex has become commoditized these days? Or

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<v Speaker 2>not sex the act of sex, but relationship has become commoritized, consumerized,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, And then yes I do. And who is

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<v Speaker 2>the commodity the days is that people? Men is more women, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody, people are the commodity. I mean, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>concept of emotional capitalism is an interesting crossover, right because

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<v Speaker 3>what happens is that on the one hand, you have

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<v Speaker 3>all these psychological terms that have entered the business world,

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<v Speaker 3>and we talk about psychological safety, and we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>authenticity and we talk about vulnerability. But on the other end,

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<v Speaker 3>you have an entire business mentality that has entered romantic love,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And we're going to hedge our bets and

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to negotiate the best deals, and it's in

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<v Speaker 3>the midst of that we're going to somehow find love.

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<v Speaker 3>But we are bringing in an enormously transactional what will

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<v Speaker 3>satisfy me? What is on my list? What am I

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<v Speaker 3>looking for? And when I don't like it, I dump

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<v Speaker 3>a ghost, I photo, I go on to the next

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<v Speaker 3>and I swipe. And disembodied experiences make you forget that

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<v Speaker 3>there's actually a human being on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon maybe there won't be a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>People are having romantic relationships with their ais now they

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<v Speaker 2>may yes, would you all things equal? Rather date in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five or twenty twenty five? Oh all right,

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