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Speaker 1: How everyone, and welcome back to the Hemer Territory podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is episode three zero one. My name is Brad

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Speaker 1: Roland and I'm joined on this Sunday evening in late

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Speaker 1: November with a good friend, Scott Coleman. Scott, it's almost

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and the Braves were actually pretty busy over the

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Speaker 1: last several days.

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Speaker 2: How are you, hello, Brad, I'm doing well. Happy early

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving to everybody out there. And yeah, it was a

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Speaker 2: pretty busy week for the Braves. Maybe not like a

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Speaker 2: stop the press is five alarm fire busy, but nonetheless

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Speaker 2: we have moves.

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Speaker 3: We have a new move.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about tonight. And even across the

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Speaker 2: rest of Major League Baseball, we started to see a

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Speaker 2: little bit of activity. There's a big trade today with

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Speaker 2: the Mets and the Rangers that went down, which we'll

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Speaker 2: maybe talk about for thirty seconds. And you know, it

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Speaker 2: feels like we're starting to see the ice thaw out.

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Speaker 2: After a very slow start.

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Speaker 1: To the offseason, Yeah, your favorite thing, the ultra slow

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Speaker 1: baseball off season has begun to pick up. We should

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Speaker 1: say that like it was funny. You and I have

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Speaker 1: not talked in almost a week on this podcast, but

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Speaker 1: our colleagues Sean Coleman and Stephen Tolbert did quite literally

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Speaker 1: back to back episodes. It was interesting the way it happened,

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Speaker 1: shades of you and I having to record twice back

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen when the Braves signed Josh Allison and

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Speaker 1: I believe Brian mccannon in the same day or something,

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Speaker 1: same situation where nothing had happened, it had been dead silent,

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Speaker 1: and within like two hours they made two moves. This

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Speaker 1: literally happened again to our guys, God bless them, back

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Speaker 1: to back. We were deciding where we were going to

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Speaker 1: tackle on the other episode, to the other one. No,

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Speaker 1: we's just due to stretch episodes. But what happened was

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk later on problem with our reactions to

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Speaker 1: some of it. Right, sall, Glecias back. Mauricio Dubon is

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Speaker 1: a Brave. Now, first, please subscribe to those episodes. Listen

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Speaker 1: to those episodes. There's fresh on the feed, still relevant

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Speaker 1: right now. But you already mentioned it, Scott. There was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of new news since then. That's been

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Speaker 1: three or four days since that happened. The Braves agreed

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Speaker 1: to a one year, two point twenty five million dollar

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Speaker 1: contract with yoel piumps. Is that we're going with yoel

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Speaker 1: piumps pronunciation.

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Speaker 2: That is our best guess. It's definitely yoel piomps. There

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Speaker 2: was a little bit of maybe uncertainty, but we believe

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Speaker 2: yoel piumps is in the mix for the Braves bullpen

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: We are solo on that pronunciation for now. You may remember,

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Speaker 1: if you were still paying attention late in the season,

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Speaker 1: he was on the Braves briefly last season. He had

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Speaker 1: two appearances. Looks fine in those two appearances, but he

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Speaker 1: And importantly, we'll talk about some other other guys later

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Speaker 1: on in the podcast who did some you know, non

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so two and a quarter million dollars is not nothing,

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Speaker 2: and I would believe that unless Piomps just gets destroyed

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Speaker 2: been the story. What's curious is that Piomps went from

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Speaker 2: The Brewers cut ties. Of course, Milwaukee was the best

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Speaker 2: So clearly the Braves are banking on being able to

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Speaker 2: Maybe the new pitching coach and fullpen coach can work

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Speaker 1: With this, oh for sure, And that's why you're available

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Speaker 1: but it's I tend to try. Alex is not infallible.

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Speaker 1: He's made some mistakes, clearly that we've criticized him. For

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Speaker 1: one thing he's been pretty good at is unearthing bullpen talent.

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Speaker 1: But between the data before last year, because you're right,

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Speaker 2: He's a lottery ticket. And my hope is that when

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Speaker 2: I am would anticipate at least one more significant addition

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Speaker 1: but they've spent it on Ricelle and I think this

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Speaker 1: But because it's the only that's happened since then, we're

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Speaker 1: leading with it. But it's a real commitment. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a major league contract for a guy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's it's a worthwhile gamble, and I

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Speaker 2: And again, maybe Jeremy Hefner, the new pitching coach or

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Speaker 2: JP Martinez the new bullpen coach, can get Piums back.

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Speaker 2: He's only thirty one years old. He has good stuff

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Speaker 2: It's a worthwhile gamble year. They definitely see something or

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't have done this in November. I'm pretty confident

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Speaker 2: now whether they're right or not.

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Speaker 1: Only time will tell. Hell, and you're right. They can

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Speaker 1: played defensively, Apparently he's just a wizard with the glove,

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Speaker 1: like no matter where, replays.

430
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Speaker 2: Really really good gloves. Some people in Houston were like,

431
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: legitimately sad, like it's almost a game, like where is

432
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: Mauricio Dubon gonna make a great play tonight in the lineup.

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Speaker 1: Even if you take last season's AWRC plus, which was

434
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Speaker 1: actually down from previous iteration, he's still a valuable player

435
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: with AWRC plus he is now he's not awesome, But

436
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: I I think people underestimate the gap between fifty WRC

437
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: plus and eighty. That's a massive difference like that, And

438
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: that's basically Nick Allen and Morissio Dubon to be kind

439
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: and Nick Allen, that's just what it is. So what else?

440
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Speaker 1: Keep going on this? But I think that the grand

441
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: question is unanswered for sure. The other kind of nook

442
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Speaker 1: in the grand question of is he the short step

443
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Speaker 1: or not is a monetary one. Because we've said this

444
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Speaker 1: before a number of times, but there is a way

445
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: you can have a cheap light hitting not zero hitting

446
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: like Nick Allen, but light hitting shortstop. And how it

447
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: makes sense to you if you use the money that

448
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Speaker 1: you were maybe planning to spend or hoping to spend

449
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: on has On Kim perhaps and then use that money

450
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: to wait for Scott actually like get another bat in

451
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: the lineup, like whether it's an outfielder or a DH

452
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Speaker 1: or whatever, or it's a trade for somebody or whatever

453
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be, or starting pitching. But for me more

454
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: so with the bat, it's a lot easier to sell

455
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Speaker 1: me and others. I would imagine YouTube I'll let you

456
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Speaker 1: speak to that if you tell me, okay, Marissa, Deban

457
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Speaker 1: is my shortstop opening day. My question to you is

458
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Speaker 1: where did they use the money they saved by shortstop?

459
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Speaker 1: And if the answer is nowhere, that's a problem. If

460
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Speaker 1: the answer is they went out and got a outfielder.

461
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: They can hit fifth in the lineup every day so

462
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Speaker 1: they can have profar DHHM and acuna DHM and all

463
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Speaker 1: that stuff. That is an accessible trade off. To me,

464
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with that. I will not be bothered

465
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Speaker 1: at all if Duban is a shortstop opening day if

466
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Speaker 1: they actually use the savings. If they don't use the savings,

467
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Speaker 1: then I'll be mad. Does that make sense?

468
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: Makes total sense? And it is something I have been

469
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: thinking about four days really since they traded for Dubon.

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Speaker 1: Every single minute of every single day since then, Scott's

471
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: been in deep thought about this, recular.

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00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: That and watching the Colts blow on against the Chief.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna bring it up.

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Speaker 2: You did it.

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00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: That was your that was your own, that was your

476
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Speaker 1: own fault. I didn't I know.

477
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Speaker 2: But but so here's where I'm at. Brad. Let's say

478
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Speaker 2: that Alex Enthopless has fifteen to twenty million dollars to

479
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: spend on a bat of some kind. It could be

480
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Speaker 2: Hassan Kim or a different shortstop, although there's basically no

481
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Speaker 2: shortstops that are actually available and good it's youer lower.

482
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Speaker 2: You can go get a an outfielder or a DH.

483
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Speaker 2: For me, I am firmly in the camp of Dubon

484
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Speaker 2: at shortstop and go get a hitter to DH play

485
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: the outfield, whatever you do. I think a legitimate hitting

486
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: asset is more valuable to this team as currently constructed

487
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: than adding Hassan Kim. Truly, Brad, with the declines and

488
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: defense that we saw on Hassan Kim last season, if

489
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Speaker 2: you simmded it a thousand times, and of course we

490
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Speaker 2: don't have the luxury of simming baseball seasons, but if

491
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Speaker 2: you simmed it a thousand times with one hundred and

492
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Speaker 2: fifty starts at Hassan Kim at shortstop and one hundred

493
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: and fifty starts for Mauricio Dubon at shortstop for the

494
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves in twenty twenty six, I would take the

495
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: Kim side of being better, but not all that much.

496
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Speaker 2: Man Like I'm saying, like sixty forty in terms of

497
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Speaker 2: both offense and defensive value. And I don't think Hassan

498
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Speaker 2: Kim at this point is worth fifteen to twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I think you add a legitimate bat for fifteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty million to the middle of this order. I think

501
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: that is so much more impactful than having Kim at

502
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Speaker 2: shortstop and making Dubon a super utility guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Dubon, for what we know right now,

504
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: is the better defender. Pretty clearly. It seems like, yeah, yes,

505
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: Kim's bet a better hit. But I just double checked

506
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: this last three seasons combined, So try to get a

507
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: bigger sample size than just last year. Last three seasons combined,

508
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: aust On Kim as a one o three dou arsity

509
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Speaker 1: plus totally fine lee average hitter fine du Bond's eighty eight.

510
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: And that's a meaningful difference. That matters. But that's not

511
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: a crazy difference, especially when the guy who's the eighty

512
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: eight is the better defender. Like on a per game basis,

513
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: that's fairly similar. You might lean Kim's direction, that's fine,

514
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: but the gap there is not fifteen million dollars. I

515
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: promise you that now. I will also say and hope

516
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: the Braves should spend more than they've spent with last year.

517
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: They do print money over there at the Battery downtree

518
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: for me. And there is a world where you could

519
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: have both. You can you can SaHas On Kim, you

520
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: can have Mouricio Dubon as you as your super your

521
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: utility guy like six million dollars and Scott wait for it.

522
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: You can also get another bet. Yeah, you're allowed to

523
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: do all three of those things. Now, it wouldn't it

524
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a Cody Bellinger bat. I'm not saying I'm

525
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: not expecting you to be the Dodgers and go sign

526
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: a forty million dollar BAT on top of Kim and Duban.

527
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's not realistic. But there is

528
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: a world financially where you could do Kim at a

529
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: reasonable number. That's the big distinction, and also still add

530
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: another BAT. But if it's a bilateral, if it's basically

531
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: what are the other and again that's a big if

532
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: it's only one or the other, and you have you

533
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: give me Kim and Kim and Dubon or Dubon and Bat.

534
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: I choose Dubon and Bat as well. Yeah, it's not. Again,

535
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: it may it may not be that. I hope it's

536
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: not that. As a someone who's observing the Braves and

537
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: knows how much money they print over there, it shouldn't

538
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: be that. But if it is that, I would go

539
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: with the bigger bat than Kim and let Dubon play more.

540
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: That's my ideas, so.

541
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: It feels more impactful. Yeah, I agree, and we'll see.

542
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Kim is well, Scott Boris likes to drag

543
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: these things out.

544
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: So it might be March before he signed somewhere.

545
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding like that. It might be a lot. Seriously,

546
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: and again, I don't blame Alex Nthopolis for not wanting

547
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: to play that game of you know, the NCAA tournament

548
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: is starting and he's still trying to figure out his shortstop.

549
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: And also he knows Okay, it's a small part of this,

550
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not all of it, but Alex does

551
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: tend to even if he's gonna wait a little bit

552
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: on somebody, he likes to have a contagency plan. And

553
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: what I said earlier is one hundred percent apply still,

554
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: like if somebody offers you Mauricey Obond for Nick Allen's

555
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: straight up, there's no reason to say no to that

556
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: that trade, Like, no matter what you think about de

557
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: bond or there's no reason to not do that trade

558
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: for a.

559
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Difference of four million dollars is about what it came

560
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: out to. That's nothing no, and it's.

561
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: You have to do that trade. So there's that angle

562
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: of it. But there's also the angle of if you

563
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I think it might help Alex in the negotiation with us,

564
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: with Kim as well, maybe a little bit. Hey Scott,

565
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: you remember how we thought we were totally desperate. We

566
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: have a real option now. Even if, by the way,

567
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: Alex may I even believe that, maybe he does, maybe

568
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: he does not want to have to one shorts. He

569
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: won't say that out loud. Even if he thought that,

570
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: he would say it to Boris and be like, look,

571
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: we don't have to do this anymore. Like you thought

572
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: you thought we were paying to a corner, we're not anymore.

573
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: There's some value in that in the negotiation. There's value

574
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: in just having a guy like this on the roster.

575
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: It'd be different if he was a one position player,

576
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: but the utility aspect just adds so much more depth.

577
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: So we don't have to bang that point over again.

578
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: But the combination of the shortstop market being kind of

579
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: barren unless you want to get creative, and like I

580
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: know you want, I want to. I know you brought

581
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: up Jordan Lawler in your backyard in Arizona would be

582
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: an interesting trade target. That was your idea. I want

583
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: to credit you with that. That's a good idea. I

584
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting Bilo like kind of situation flyer.

585
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: But like the conventional targets at shortstop, it's not a

586
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: not a deep crop. So to do this kind of

587
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: deal and give yourself a floor, it just makes so

588
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: much sense to me. Like I don't I don't understand worrying.

589
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't say worry about the future of it a

590
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: little bit, that's fine, but like just analyzing the move itself,

591
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: there's just like no reason not to do what they did, right.

592
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could not agree more. I was nodding along

593
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: with everything you were saying. This Mauricio Dubon is a

594
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: usable major league player. It's just a matter of where

595
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: he is going to play in twenty twenty six.

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00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: That's that's wolplet Scott.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: In a second, we'll talk about the non tenor deadline

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Speaker 1: All right, Scott, let us roll through the deadline of

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Speaker 1: the nontender deadline. Stuff that happened on Friday. We were poisoned,

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630
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631
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Speaker 1: but there is stuff to talk about. So Dubon settled

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,360
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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: six point one million dollars. Eli White also signed, Joya

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,440
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00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760
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00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,040
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Speaker 1: Suarez I don't know if you saw it. I still

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00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen the reported figure on him signing a contract

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00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: that the brains announced that deal. I'm sure it's not

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,800
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643
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: got done. Any reactions to any of those things other

644
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: than they were always gonna be on the team anyway, probably.

645
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: So Yeah, love Eli White and what he does with

646
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: his speed and ability to run into a home run.

647
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he he has some legit pop in that bat.

648
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: So happy to have personal too, like not not quite

649
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: like Dubon, but certainly can play multiple spots which helps. Yeah,

650
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: and Eli White played some shortstop in the spring, so

651
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: he's also not an option to play every day, but

652
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: could stand there in a bizarre eleven inning situation. We uh,

653
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: you know. I think there's there's absolutely a role for

654
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: Eli White next year. And then Joey wentz. Good for

655
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Joey forgetting a deal. I don't know what the future

656
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: is gonna hold for him. I mean, if he could

657
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: be the long man in the bullpen, which is something

658
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: the Braves probably could use. There's just so much uncertainty

659
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: with his pitching staff right now, and the handful of

660
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: guys who were either injured or coming back from injuries

661
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: that it kind of feels silly to just pass on

662
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: a Joey Wentz type of pitcher for less than a

663
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: million bucks. So bring him back and maybe he's in

664
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: the bullpen or making spot starts or something like that.

665
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean I would not have him

666
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: in the rotation or the top seven or eight guys

667
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: rotation probably, but he can start, he can relieve, he

668
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: was his stuff was playing up pretty well with the Braves, Like, sure,

669
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: for a million bucks, sign me up, totally fine. The

670
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: other one that was that was done was they did

671
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: a split contract with Fidal Brahan, the aforementioned Aberhan. If

672
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you don't know what split contract, split contract is, we

673
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: got some questions about that. Basically, what it is is

674
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: that you get a different salary when you're in the

675
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: majors and the miners, so it's pro raded. You get

676
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: more than in the majors. Let's wringing the miners. It's

677
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: like a minor league deal, but a little bit a

678
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: slightly elevated version. Basically, like that's the short version of

679
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: what it is that's appropriate for Vanal Brahan the Braves.

680
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: We made fun of this a little bit last year.

681
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Apparently Snicker just seemed to love him, like was just

682
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: in love with Brahan. He was probably playing too much

683
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: on the Braves. But he's a like super lower level

684
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: version of Maurice to Dubon, Like he can play some defense,

685
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: he can't really hit.

686
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: It's fine.

687
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: He's a major leaguer, just of a fringy one. That's fine.

688
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: He's Yeah, he's cheap.

689
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: He could be in Gwinette. He could be a bench

690
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: piece for the Braves. I mean, we'll see. But you know,

691
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Bruhan good, I mean, good on him forgetting the split deal.

692
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: It's a little bit better than a full on minor

693
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: league contract, as we said. And but yeah, I mean

694
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: he's gonna get a chance to battle with probably, I mean,

695
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: the Braves are probably gonna bring six to eight middle

696
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: infielders to camp and let one of them win the battle.

697
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: And of course what happens with Mauricio Dubon is also

698
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: probably going to play a factor into what they do

699
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: with their bench.

700
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was still around, I would be projecting

701
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: in Bruhan on the opening opening day roster. In the meantime, maybe.

702
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: Not leading off, batting, adding first for the Atlanta Braves batting.

703
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: First play shortstop. Yeah, the other I guess probably the

704
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: bigger story, even though not I saw some funny reactions.

705
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: I think people just misinterpreted this. Uh, Dylan Lee did

706
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: not agree to a deal with the Braves. That is

707
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: not a huge surprise, Like that's it's the non tendertid

708
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: line day. That just means you have to decide where

709
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: an to offer guy contract. There was a zero point

710
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: zero percent chance the Braids were gonna conten or dulan

711
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: ly like he was always going to be offered a contract.

712
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't take it. That means they made they

713
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: go they're gonna go to arbitration or they can still

714
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: sell it before then as well. Like, it's not a

715
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: big deal. Dylan Lee will be on the team. He's

716
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: gonna be still cheap. His projection is one point nine

717
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: million according to try rumors. That's still cheap. I don't

718
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: have it else to add other than if you were

719
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: if you were panicking somewhere, don't. It's not. It's just

720
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: not a bad thing at all. It's okay.

721
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: Dylan Lee will be on the Braves next season more

722
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: than likely. I mean, I guess they could trim him.

723
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be treated. It would just be an

724
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: odd decision. Yeah, so that's why.

725
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, Brad. I mean, if it goes all

726
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: the way to arbitration and a panel, it's just ridiculous

727
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: what teams and players fight over. I mean time, Yeah,

728
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean ninety eight percent of the time I find

729
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: myself agreeing with the player side of it. You know,

730
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: they want two million dollars in the braves, you're offering

731
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: one point nine to five million dollar. It's just like, yeah,

732
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna pay your attorneys and everything more money. Just

733
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: pay the player. It's just not worth it. But hopefully

734
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: we don't even get to that point. Yeah, Dunnley's good,

735
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: he'll be around. The other part of that day on

736
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: Friday was the non tenders that they did do, and

737
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: there were two of them. They non tendered Carson Ragsdale,

738
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: who has been he has the funniest transaction page you'll

739
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: ever see. He's been in like fifteen transactions in like

740
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: a month. Like he's just like in this weird back

741
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: and forth and now he's in phrasing again. I don't

742
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen there. The one that actually

743
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: drew attention was Alec Manoa. So if you didn't, if

744
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: you were not following. In September, when the Braves were

745
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: out of it, they brought in Alc Manoa from Toronto,

746
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: former like top five, say, young silon finisher, like big

747
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: time starter with the Blue Jays, injuries, in effectiveness, all that,

748
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: still young, but they it made sense take a flyer

749
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: on him. But they ended up non tendering him only

750
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: less than two months later.

751
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: And people ask us why they would have done that.

752
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: I would say, it's kind of odd, to be honest, like,

753
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it's not crazy crazy, but they did. Just this is

754
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: a famous player by this standard, and they brought him in.

755
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Nothing happened, he didn't pitch for them, and then he

756
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: got non tendered for with a projection of like what

757
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: two point two million dollars? So what is your best

758
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: guess on what happened here?

759
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 2: My best guess is that alex Enthopolis was very bored

760
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: in the month of September and needed something to do. Maybe,

761
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: but in all seriousness, I think the Braves took a

762
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: chance on Manoa. They I'm sure he threw somewhere like

763
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: through real live pitches, somewhere in front of coaches and

764
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: scouts and whatever they wanted to do and see if

765
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: there was anything from Alec Manoa that made sense to Hey,

766
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: we can take a gamble on this guy, or you know,

767
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: move your foot two inches on the rubber and it'll

768
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, you'll you'll start throwing strikes again, or you

769
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: can move your arm slot and you'll pick up some velocity.

770
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure they tried a few things, but I mean,

771
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: if Alec Manoa's a fit for a minor league deal

772
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: in a couple of months as a spring training invite,

773
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: then sure you could try him out. There's certainly less

774
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: accomplished guys who are going to get spring training invites

775
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: with no real money guaranteed. But yeah, I mean, what

776
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: what was your favorite moment of the Alec Manoa era,

777
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: other than like the three times we talked about him

778
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: on this podcast.

779
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna say the content the first day that he

780
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: was that he was signed.

781
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 2: No, I.

782
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: Because it's he has minor league options. Like I think

783
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: if they thought much of Alec Minoa, they would have

784
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: just deferred to keeping him at that modest number and

785
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: he could have been assigned at Gwinnette or whatever. Like

786
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: he didn't it's not like Bryce Elder, but there's no

787
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: options like there would have been. So I suspect you're right.

788
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: I suspect that they saw some of that that they

789
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: didn't love behind the scenes, and look, maybe they'll still

790
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: sign him, but it was just it's just more strange.

791
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: And if he was not a big name, if he

792
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: was someone we hadn't heard of, this wouldn't matter. It's

793
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: just before being honest, it's just if he was carcon Rysdale.

794
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: We make fun of it, to be honest with you,

795
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: but uh, we got questions, we answered them. We don't

796
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: really know and maybe Alex will said I'm sure Ilic

797
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: will never say anything about it either, Like I just

798
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: it's not quite at the level where he has to

799
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: comment publicly about this. It's just like, hey, we didn't

800
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: do it. Sorry, Okay, that's all we have on the

801
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: nontender front. There was some other I almost said minor,

802
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: not really minor, but some some news that Alex made

803
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: in his comments post everything with Rice Sell and everything else.

804
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: So apparently Joejamanez, you know you and I actually reacted

805
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: to this a few days ago when Alex said kind

806
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: of an odd thing about how Jimenez they wouldn't that

807
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: basically will know more in January about Jimenez. Were wy,

808
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: that's interesting, like that's been a long time. Apparently Joeanmennez

809
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: had another procedure on his knee and we simply didn't

810
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: know about it. Now our former guest and friend and

811
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: colleague Grant McCauley said that apparently Alex sure of us

812
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: on the radio on ninety two nine a little while ago,

813
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: and like nobody knew. I mean maybe somebody listening knew,

814
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: but it didn't make the rounds, Like I didn't see it,

815
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: didn't hear it. Yeah, I'll raise my hand. We missed

816
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: that one. But this was a surprise to most people.

817
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: It seemed like when that was said by Alex, it

818
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: isn't want to change my analysis of what we said

819
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: last time we talked about Jimenez, which is basically like

820
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 1: a big TVD unfortunately, but hey, now we know why

821
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: he had another procedure.

822
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, another knee procedure for Jimenez. My hope is that

823
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: after a year of rehab, maybe the doctors there was

824
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: just I don't know, some scar tissue or something in

825
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: there that they wanted to clean up and and hopefully

826
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: get that knee healthy and right for Jimenez, because this

827
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: guy's awesome when he's healthy. But yeah, I mean when

828
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: Alex just saying, we really don't know what he's going

829
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: to be like until January February, maybe even the early

830
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 2: days of spring training, it's a little hard to plan

831
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: out your bullpen when arguably the second most talented guy

832
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: out there is has undergone two knee procedures now in

833
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: thirteen months and didn't throw a live pitch or a

834
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: competitive pitch this last year. So fingers crossed on Jimenez.

835
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: That would be a massive lift for this bullpen. But

836
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it is definitely concerning, especially a guy

837
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: his size. You know, Jimenez is like six three, two seventy.

838
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: He's a meg old boy, a lot of torque on

839
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: that knee every time he throws a ball. Let's hope

840
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: for the best.

841
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: This is not related to Joemenez, but we got a

842
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: mild back question about this old friend Braves prospect. At

843
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: one point, Evan Phillips, who became a really good reliever

844
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: with the Dodgers, like a valuable reliever, got non tendered

845
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: by the Dodgers, and we were kind of wondering maybe

846
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: why he had some injury stuff last year. But the

847
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: Dodgers have more money than God as mentioned before, But

848
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: after looking it up, he actually was going to get

849
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: like a lot of money if he got tendered, Like

850
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: he made six million last year, and it would have

851
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: presumably gone up in arbitration, so that would be maybe

852
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: why they didn't tender him. But I say all that

853
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: to say the question was basically, should the Bravest look

854
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: at Evan Phillips. Yes, I wouldn't give him a blank check,

855
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: but certainly a name. But because we already did our

856
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of wide ranging bullpen preview when you and I

857
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: last talk last week, I would add Evan Phillips to

858
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: the list down the list, not high on the list,

859
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: but a name that like a familiar name if you're

860
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: a Braves fan and a guy who's been a good

861
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: reliever recently and is only thirty one years old, Like, yeah, sure,

862
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: add him to the list of guys that could potentially help. Yeah.

863
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: There were a couple of players who were non tendered

864
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: over the weekend, and it's like, yeah, I could see it.

865
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: More of your your bench bats, your fifth outfielder, adult adults,

866
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Garcia didn't didn't get you? Yeah, there you go. Yeah

867
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: that guy man. The Rangers in twenty twenty three were

868
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: on the heater of all heaters and have just cratered

869
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: ever since. But speaking of the Rangers, the brand new

870
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: motory and teased earlier, we can follow Sprintle on that

871
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: verse second, you know, no more sprinting to first in

872
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: the National League East. I am just devastated, Brad that

873
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: we do not have to watch Brandon Neimo the biggest dork.

874
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 2: He's a good player, but he's like the biggest dork ever.

875
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: He's infuriating. I know Mets fans love him. He's I

876
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: didn't realize Neimo has been like not only with the

877
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: Mets since twenty sixteen, but it's been like a good

878
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: contributing player. If you would have asked me, I said, oh,

879
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: he's been around since like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. No,

880
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: he's going up on a decade. Was I believe the

881
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: longest tenured Met? So yes, what a what a interesting trade.

882
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: I kind of like buy and low on Marcus Simon

883
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: if I'm the Mets and his defense is still really

884
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: good and he underperformed some bad at ball stuff last year,

885
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: but again big time contracts, a rare one for one

886
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: player swap of players making big time money veteran players

887
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: estaff Brandon Nimo also waived his no trade clause to

888
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: go from New York to Texas. So this was a

889
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: big deal, kind of out of nowhere, and I guess we'll,

890
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, no more. I guess we'll see Nimo for

891
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: three games, but other than that, no more sprinting to

892
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: first base, although when he struck out, he walked back

893
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: to the dugout, So I never understood that dynamic with Nemo,

894
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: but I am not heartbroken to see him gone.

895
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all we need to do on that. But yeah,

896
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: it was an interesting challenge trade. There was the other

897
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: more not like lower level money challenge trade with that

898
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: Grace Rodriguez Taylor word deal that was a cheaper version

899
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: of this one. But this is a yeah, an expensive

900
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: challenge one for one. You don't often to see those.

901
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: So that was it'll be fascinating and hopefully some may

902
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: doesn't get right for the Mets, because I don't root

903
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: against the guy individually, but the Mets are a team

904
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: we don't like pretty much. Yeah, on this podcast, last

905
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: thing we'll shift something wants to add there was a

906
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: somewhat an update on Grant Holmes, So if you've forgotten this,

907
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Grant Holmes has a partial UCL tear in his throwing arm,

908
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: partial being the keyword there. They have chosen not to

909
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: have surgery, and apparently, according to what Dave o brien reported,

910
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: the Braves are quote really encouraged by the rehab for

911
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: Grant Holmes. Clearly we won't know until he really ramps

912
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: it up in March, but there's at least a window

913
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and Grant Holmes, look, Grandholes has been good for the Braves.

914
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: If he is healthy enough to pitch in March and

915
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: April without having surgery, he'll be on the team somewhere.

916
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Either he'll be the fifth starter or he'll be the

917
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: long man or something like. Grandholmes is clearly a good

918
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: enough pitcher to be on this team if he's healthy.

919
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: So obviously, just beyond the everything else with the baseball side,

920
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: you want the guy to have no pain and not

921
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: have have to have surgery. But like baseball wise, it

922
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: would be a very big help for the Braves if

923
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Speaker 1: they had Grant Holmes making peanuts available for them to

924
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: in whatever role they choose.

925
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Grant Holmes and Ronaldo Lopez, two guys

926
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: who had serious injuries last season. Both of them were

927
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: needle movers, whether it's in the rotation or in the bullpen.

928
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: So fingers crossed, let's get Homes healthy this through, you know,

929
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: as he continues to throw this off season and then

930
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: building up strength. And same for Lopez who had the

931
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: shoulder scare. Two very important pictures for the Braves. And

932
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of think that at least one

933
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: of them, if healthy or going to be in the bullpen.

934
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Speaker 2: And maybe that's kind of Alex's calculus as he's in

935
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: the early days of the offseason kind of thinking about

936
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: who he's going to have available.

937
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, as much as we are fond of saying on

938
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: the show that you need more than five starters, because

939
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: you do, you probably only open the season on the

940
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: active roster with five or six starters. So if you

941
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: have more than that, somebody's gonna be in the bullpen

942
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: on opening day. And it might be one of those

943
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: guys that thought. Both of those guys, there's a world

944
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: of war which they're both in the bullpen, I would

945
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: probably guess that one of them.

946
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: Is not I mean, if they go out and sign

947
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: a legitimate starting pitcher or trade for a legit starter.

948
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: You got sale Schwellenbach, Strider, Waldrip and one of them

949
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: in the new edition. I mean you yeah, I mean

950
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 2: I think you The Braves could go to a six

951
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: man rotation to start the year, but then your bullpen

952
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: is pretty thin. I don't know if they want to

953
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: do that. It's all, you know, it's a conversation. Well, frankly,

954
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: we'll probably do a full yes in February when the

955
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: boys show up for spring training. But yeah, it's all.

956
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: I mean, let's man, I would be crushed if grand

957
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: Holmes needs Tommy John because that would cost him a

958
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: full year. For a guy who's in his thirties and

959
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: absolutely paid his dues to get to the major leagues,

960
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: for him to have a really good year and a

961
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: half and then blow out his elbow would be would

962
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: be you know, on a personal level, I would feel

963
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: bad for Grant.

964
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree, and hopefully that does not happened.

965
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: But in all the positives that they can't that they

966
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: can have so far for Grant are positive. Yeah, everyone

967
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: understands the deal. The real hurdle is can you ramp

968
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: up and pitch on this. You know, no surgery rehab.

969
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: But if you go day by day, week by week,

970
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: if you're just checking the boxes until you get there,

971
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. And obviously it was good enough

972
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: where that was somebody's told dB that. I don't know

973
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: if it was Alex or somebody said that aloud. Good

974
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: news if nothing else, Yeah, all right, all right, Scott,

975
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: that's a a news and notes ish. Oh, the Braves

976
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: have a lot more to do. They've also been very

977
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: busy in the last week, so we're back into the

978
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of holding game. Thanksgiving is sometimes an interesting time

979
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: for baseball, and that that actual window of Thanksgiving day ish,

980
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be very quiet. Most teams, just like

981
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: are probably on vacation, as it should be. In the meantime,

982
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: there is a few more days before that, as we're

983
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: talking on Sunday night into Monday. So hold on tight, everybody.

984
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: But if anything happens, we'll have a show. It might

985
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: be a scramble on our phones episode from Thanksgiving Dinner,

986
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: but we'll have something for you if anything happens. Anything

987
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: else you like to talk about, Scott, If not, I

988
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: will not ask about football today. I've been I've been

989
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: trying to set you up in a positive direction about

990
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: football all year long, not today.

991
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brad, a man of kindness and the highest class.

992
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: The Falcons one today which is I mean, the season's

993
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: over in every way, but I hate the Saints with

994
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: a firing passion, so being the Saints is always a win.

995
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Nice, there you go. Sometimes it's just nice to win

996
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: one and have a good Sunday. But no, I mean,

997
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: I again, I want to say happy early Thanksgiving to everyone.

998
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: We will plan to have a show or two on

999
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: the feed this Thanksgiving week, so keep an eye out

1000
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: on that. Maybe you're traveling, flying, driving across the country,

1001
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: so yeah, we'll have content for you to help kind

1002
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: of bridge the gap. And as always, whenever the Braves

1003
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: do make a move, we always have a show with

1004
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: that day to break it all down.

1005
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: Yes, please subscribe to Hammer Territory anywhere you get your podcasts,

1006
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: and importantly, if you're already subscribed, thank you so much.

1007
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: Tell your friends Thanksgiving, Tell your family. I know people

1008
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: in my own life who are Braves fans who don't

1009
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast, and I yell at them, like guys,

1010
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: if you want to support me, that'd be cool. Or

1011
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: if you like the Braves who listen to the show

1012
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: when I'm not on it, if you want listen to me,

1013
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: that's fine as well. But I promise you probably know

1014
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: some way in your life that's a Braves fan that's

1015
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: never heard of our podcast. If you will do us

1016
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: a solid and tell them about it, that would be awesome.

1017
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: This is what you do, Brad. You're sitting at the

1018
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving dinner with your family, your extended family, and maybe

1019
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: a conversation or two starts to happen. You go, Nope,

1020
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about this. What we're going

1021
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: to talk about at the Thanksgiving dinner table is the

1022
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: Hammer Territory Podcast.

1023
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is what we're not gonna

1024
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: talk about today. Instead, we're gonna listen to Sean Coleman

1025
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: right now, and you just press play on your phone

1026
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: and you just listening to Welcome You start just full

1027
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: on the short.

1028
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Divert any conversation you don't want to have with your

1029
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: with your family or extended family, start playing the podcast

1030
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: right there at the dinner table. Your Grandma's gonna throw

1031
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: a role at you or something like that. But it

1032
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: would be worth it and help us spread the good

1033
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 2: word about the pod.

1034
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Or if you're watching football as I look, I will

1035
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: be too. On Thursday or Friday or whenever, you could

1036
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: just mute the football and listen to Sean and Stephen

1037
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: or listen to us. And that's better, way better than

1038
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: like I mean, try to see who's doing the games.

1039
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: It's way better than Too and Collinsworth. Come on, we

1040
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: don't need to hear about those guys. Tom Brady want

1041
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: me to listen to Tom Brady?

1042
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: What is that? I would like to see Tom Brady

1043
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: do three to four Braves podcasts every single week, Brad, I.

1044
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: Would look to that too. If Tom wants to come on, listen.

1045
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Tom was a baseball player at one point, like he

1046
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: was a good baseball player. I think he was drafted

1047
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: to the draft. Come on down, Tom, you're open invite.

1048
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: They'll never go to us in a million years, but

1049
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: if you want to come on the podcast, feel free. Okay, Scott,

1050
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Please follow Scott Coleman if

1051
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: you'd like to do that on social media at Scott Coleman.

1052
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: Fifty five. Lots of Arizona basketball right now. They're good

1053
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: By the way, you're wildcats spare down if you want

1054
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: to follow me at bt Rowland, follow the show more

1055
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: importantly at Hammer Territory on Twitter, Instagram. Not to talk yet.

1056
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe one day we'll be on TikTok one Stephen

1057
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: takes over social media team. But one more time, one

1058
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: more plea, Apple, Spotify, YouTube ratings reviews, all that fun stuff.

1059
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: Appreciate your being here, Havy. Thanksgiving in an early fashion,

1060
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: and we'll see everybody next time.