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Speaker 1: Of all the artists that you've worked with, who would

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: I was just texting cod really, Bro, I'm sitting here

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Speaker 3: on Sha.

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Speaker 4: Telling me welcome anytime.

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Speaker 3: In that interview real quick. But Shay, s what up?

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Speaker 4: All my life?

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Speaker 2: Grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, peed price, One slice

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Speaker 2: got the pro geist. Swap all my life. I'd be

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Speaker 2: grinding all my life, all my life, grinning all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

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Speaker 2: pay the price. One slice got the bronc Geist. Swap

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Speaker 2: all my life. I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sha. Shay. I

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Speaker 4: am your host, Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 1: I'm also the propriet of Club Shasha, stopping by for

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Speaker 1: conversation on the drink today. Is a Grammy Award winning singer,

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Speaker 1: a multi platinum selling songwriter, an R and B superstar,

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Speaker 1: a career that spans over two decades. His music has

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Speaker 1: transcended generations. A creator of timeless music, a premier are

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Speaker 1: a mere gendre defining progressive artists, A global pioneer, a visionary,

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Speaker 1: a trailblazer. A talented musician, guitar, stage performer, producer sought

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Speaker 1: out the collaborator. He's here to perform two songs off

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Speaker 1: this new album called Chaos. The first song is titled

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Speaker 1: Always Time Here he is, Ladies and gentlemen, Miguel.

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Speaker 5: Broken Glass, spears and buds, You change overset its.

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Speaker 6: Rocky bas lessons loved.

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Speaker 5: Don't say it's too late.

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Speaker 3: I thought there was always.

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Speaker 7: And you love this home.

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Speaker 8: And you choice, but it's still noting nights. Maybe it's time.

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Speaker 7: Live means let it go, let it go.

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Speaker 8: Let it go. Many, it's time lave.

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Speaker 7: Me's letting go, let it go, let it go.

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Speaker 9: Maybe it's time love me, let it go. Rabbit Chu,

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Speaker 9: Spoic woes all my favorite songs. So has Lord live

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Speaker 9: with the world or cry alone?

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Speaker 10: No, it's too late. I thought there was allway time

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Speaker 10: when you liveness and you cry this, but it's still

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Speaker 10: not enough.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it is time.

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Speaker 7: Love means letting go, let it go, letting. Maybe it

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Speaker 7: is time love let go, let it go, let it go.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's time love me.

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Speaker 5: Ooh and you cry, and you try crying, you cry, finding.

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Speaker 10: You find only our present waiting?

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Speaker 8: Is that your good?

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's time love me.

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Speaker 8: Let it go.

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Speaker 6: It checks over Rockeper lessens life an it's too lad

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Speaker 6: oh Tham was all ways.

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Speaker 4: Time man, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: song always time you talk about when you love this

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Speaker 1: hard and you try this hard, but it's still not enough.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this love means letting go, letting go, letting go.

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Speaker 1: I can tell when someone sings a song and it's

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Speaker 1: coming from a place of hurt, when it's coming from

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Speaker 1: when you how did this song come about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: This is and thank you. That's that's the goal, you know,

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Speaker 3: is to to make music that's still carries the the

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: That's why we love music, love music.

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Speaker 4: Especially we can we can relate.

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Speaker 3: Man, it's a trip. It's really a trip because I

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Speaker 3: grew up always you know, I'm a very I'm like

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Speaker 3: how to love. That's how I've taught been taught how

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Speaker 3: Love covers all things, you know, it bridges all things,

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Speaker 3: because it started out as a man shennon, I started

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Speaker 3: a song as like a It was a positive song.

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Speaker 3: It was a song like there's always time and because

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Speaker 3: it was a hopeful song. There's a lot of faith

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Speaker 3: the song kind of evolved like that. I realized that

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 3: It's a trip. The song kind of it encapsulates like

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Speaker 1: Normally, when we love something so much, we want to

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Speaker 4: We don't want to let it go. But you say,

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Speaker 4: Maybe I love you so much, maybe the best way

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Speaker 3: It is counter into it, yes, for sure, especially when

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Speaker 1: Reflects that, how hard is it to end the relationship

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Speaker 4: Val it gets difficult when you don't want to. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've we've all had to let go of

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Speaker 4: Like that, what if you're communicating in a language she

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Speaker 3: That to me is how I've learned now is the

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Speaker 3: So so I've been learning so much. Man, we we're

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Speaker 1: You and your ex, your wife, you dated from the

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Speaker 1: time you were nineteen and to the time you were

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Speaker 3: Man, we really jumped into this, yeah, because asking for it.

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Speaker 3: I was asking for it with the song Yes.

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Speaker 1: Because is that what you mean when you've invested so much?

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Speaker 1: You talk about nineteen you're a teenager, and here you

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Speaker 1: I tell people, Miguel, is that the more you invest

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Speaker 3: But this is our life's work though, right, Everyone everyone

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Speaker 1: Let's get this album. Congratulations first of all, congratulations on Chaos.

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Speaker 4: With what that by?

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Speaker 3: it's been that, you know, you it's so important to

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Speaker 3: stay locked in with yourself so much so that you're

441
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: never making excuses on behalf of your passion. And I

442
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: think in real, like just for real, for real, I

443
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: did a lot of avoiding of my own work that

444
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: I needed to do to lock in with me.

445
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: And in the.

446
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Speaker 3: Journey of being a musician and wanting to get the

447
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: music right and dialing in and like doing all the

448
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: things that felt necessary in the time to get the

449
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: music right, came at the sacrifice not necessarily, but I

450
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: actually actively chose whether I was conscious or subconscious. It

451
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: was subconscious, right, I just wasn't doing the me work,

452
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: you know. And so the last eight years and what

453
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: this album represents is a lot of me work. And

454
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: it's why the album isn't about love and it's not

455
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: about sex, even though that's a part of what's in there.

456
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: It's more about how painful it is to be human,

457
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: you know. And that's why the opening lyric on Rip

458
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 3: is like, man, can I surrender you to you? All

459
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 3: my defenses are down? It hurts to be human?

460
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: Wow?

461
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: And it really is. It's a challenge everybody. I'm sure

462
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: you felt like, man, this is really tough.

463
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: Yep, of course you know, and and it is.

464
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Speaker 3: That's that's a part of it. In the last eight years,

465
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Speaker 3: what I've learned is is is better in bites, you

466
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like do it increment, do it

467
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: in increment increments, and like you can, it's more manageable.

468
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: And so that's how my next ten years will be.

469
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Speaker 3: So so to answer your question, my focus on the

470
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: next ten years is really like staying locked in with

471
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Speaker 3: me and locked in on how I want to feel

472
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Speaker 3: and devoting my time and attention to you know, left

473
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 3: of center, black brown Latino creators like myself who deserve

474
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Speaker 3: to be developed and their ideas papered.

475
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

476
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: Basically like they great ideas, it requires a lot of time,

477
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: energy and development. And I'm building out a building out,

478
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: a whole built on my whole company around supporting artists

479
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: like myself, Black brown Latino came from underserved, you know

480
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, communities who have ideas that could serve

481
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: this world, you know, especially through their art and IP.

482
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: So that's my next ten.

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Speaker 4: What about the sacrifices that it take.

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Speaker 1: You said that sometimes that you denied your music in

485
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Speaker 1: order to maybe it was to appease someone else or

486
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Speaker 1: to do something else, when you probably should have been

487
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: focusing probably more of the music. And you say it

488
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Speaker 1: in your forties, you're gonna get You're going to get.

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Speaker 4: Back to that.

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Speaker 1: Can you share what it's like to have to sacrifice too,

491
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Speaker 1: Because in order to sacrifice, somebody's gonna have to go without.

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Speaker 4: That's what sacrifice means, someone or something has to.

493
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: It has to come from someone, It's got to come

494
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Speaker 3: from someone.

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00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: I'm taken from this bucket.

496
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Speaker 1: I'm taking from that bucket I'm taking for this, but

497
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm taking from these buckets to pour all into one.

498
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Speaker 4: Bucket, which is to make Miguel the best he can possible.

499
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Right, right, right right. That's an interesting one, and I

500
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: would actually ask you, I'm like, how do you know

501
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: there's there's so much like anyone who's done the doers know, yes,

502
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: doers know that you are at some point in time,

503
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: it's gonna come at the expense your Your pursuit is

504
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: going to come at the expense of someone else. Leadership

505
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: is also at the expense of the wholes can't make

506
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Speaker 3: everyone happy, You're looking at Okay, well, what's the best overall?

507
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna come at the sacrifice of somebody's immediate happiness.

508
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: But overall it's for the better, the bigger vision, right

509
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: I think. I think what I love to get insight

510
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: from you is like, you know, like, what is the

511
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: how have you learned to navigate that? Because I mean excellence.

512
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: We're talking about excellence in the highest performing, most aggressive

513
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: and not just the sport. I'm talking about the mentality,

514
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: the headspace you know, you know, how do you how

515
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: does one navigate that kind of pressure because then because

516
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: you really got it, then sacrifice and be like, oh no,

517
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: I am the best, I am the ship, I am

518
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: the everything. And it kind of like you know, on

519
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: the field, you have to believe that right then when

520
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: you leave the field.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to turn that off. It's hard to turn

522
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Speaker 4: that off.

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Speaker 1: And I and I've said this before, Miguel, I've ruined

524
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of relationships for the simple fact that I'm

525
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: not I'm good at compartmentalizing. I can't do two things.

526
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: I can't love you like I love football. I can't

527
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: love you like I love the pursuit of greatness man.

528
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: And so I sacrifice kids, events, family events, relationships. That's

529
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: what killed my relationships. I'd have been married for thirty

530
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: years had I poured into a relationship what I poured

531
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Speaker 1: in the football. But when I laid in my bed

532
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: as a kid, being married or having that one person

533
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: next to me, that wasn't in my dream. My brother

534
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: always said, a dreamer is a gift you gift to

535
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: yourself the dream. The gift that I gave to myself

536
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: was to get my grandmother out of that thou square

537
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: foot second block home. The dream that I gave to

538
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: myself was to make sure my family never had to

539
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: eat col oat meal and eat the type of animals

540
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Speaker 1: that we ate when we were growing up.

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Speaker 4: That was the gift that I gave to myself.

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Speaker 1: Looking back on it, could I have done something different, Yes,

543
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have been this no possible way. And

544
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you talk to anybody that's been great, any athlete, any professional,

545
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: and people say, well, yeah, look at them guys. Now, yeah,

546
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos had that life. Now, he didn't have that

547
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: in his twenties and thirties. Bill Gates didn't have that

548
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: in his twenties and thirties. Larry Ellison, zucker Bird, they.

549
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: Didn't have that.

550
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Serena Williams, Lebron Kobe rest his soul. Steph Curry. Yeah,

551
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: you get to a point. And for me, money wasn't

552
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: the gold. Money is the tool. Freedom is the gold.

553
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: Freedom is always there. That's the one that's it.

554
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: And so.

555
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: I can just imagine the tunnel vision that are Beyonce,

556
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: that of Michael Jackson, that Prince people that you like

557
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: yourself in order to be great, you got to sacrifice something.

558
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: In the Bible, they talk about sacrifice that you had

559
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: to sacrifice a goat. You had to sacrifice something of importance.

560
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: That's the only way. There's no other way around.

561
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: It said, so that some my my thinking in this

562
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: version is, you know, making the communication about the sacrifice

563
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: really clear and really like upfront, because in that way

564
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 3: it also keeps it's kept me more.

565
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 4: What is that.

566
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: When you are accountable, it's kept me accountable because what

567
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: it actually does is it makes me pay more attention

568
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: in real time. And I don't want to ever spend

569
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: my you know, spend another decade where I'm just so

570
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: locked in that I'm missing other things that are really important.

571
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: And I think in doing that, what I'm what I've

572
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: learned is it actually mitigates and and actually helps include people,

573
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: include my relationships as opposed to separating them and compartmentalizing,

574
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: because I'm good at I'm good at compartmentalizing too. And

575
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: I think anyone that that is really locked in on

576
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: a on a goal, on a purpose, it comes with

577
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: the territory to be able to go, well, I know

578
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: that the odds are this, and everyone's saying this, and

579
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: I'm coming from here, and it's unlikely in these ways,

580
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: and who knows if this is going to happen.

581
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: You gotta be sold fun a lot.

582
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm focused on a singular goal, a singular task, and

583
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: everything that's going on, I don't even hear.

584
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: It's almost like when you're at the game, you don't

585
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 4: even hear the crowd.

586
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: All you do is that you're running to play in

587
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: It's total silence, man, and then you make a play

588
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: and you get up.

589
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: It's chaosity. Yeah.

590
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: So when I'm locked in on what I'm locked in on,

591
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't hear anything else. And that's that's bad. You

592
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: said something very interesting. It's like you find someone. Everybody

593
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: says they can be second bal until they're asked to

594
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Speaker 1: be second.

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00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: Man, I want you to do something, but the minute

596
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: can we go out there?

597
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: If I gotta study, I gotta watch film, I gotta

598
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: go take club ship.

599
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: I gotta do night cah No, I got to go

600
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: to this thing. You ain't got no time, said man.

601
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: I told you.

602
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: See.

603
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Everybody says that into the asked to do that.

604
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: It really is a tough. It's tough.

605
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: It's tough.

606
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard to understand unless you're in it.

607
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: And it does make you. It does make you. It

608
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: does make one really appreciate the ones in our lives

609
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: that cannot I can understand. You know, I think what i've,

610
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: what I want, my next ten, my next ten. I

611
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: want to be more present. And I think it's also

612
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: like what I've learned too, is that I could be

613
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: more present in the times that I I'm supposed to be.

614
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, maximize on the time that I

615
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: have when I have it and make it really count

616
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: so it it's never so.

617
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: When you're present, you're really pressent, you're not thinking about it. Man,

618
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I really need to get back to the studio.

619
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: Check that email or oh, man, I had this idea.

620
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: Did I get those files?

621
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

622
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: Man, let me reach out to so and so. Man,

623
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: they had these ideas last time. That's just you know,

624
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 3: or mind going in other directions whatever, But to lock

625
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: in with the people that I get in the time

626
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: that I have in the most quality way.

627
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: It's hard when you've never done that in forty years

628
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden ask.

629
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: Us I'm still learning. I'm still learning, but it's it's

630
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: really helpful. I think having having taken the time to

631
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: appreciate the opportunity makes it makes it more manageable, makes

632
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: it more manageable also with my son too. You know,

633
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: it's like listen, I gotta I want to maximize time

634
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: with it.

635
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Right, I'm listening to like Scorpio sales of Frank Ocean,

636
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: Sierra lim A, Will Amara Marais do you?

637
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Speaker 4: I mean, what is it about Scorpios?

638
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: I mean, what is it you guys we're the bestus.

639
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we're we're we're definitely passionate, driven, you

640
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: know again, loyal to a fault. Uh you know, effective,

641
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: I think that can that can rub people the wrong way.

642
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 4: For me.

643
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: Communication is the is the key, you know, and learning

644
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: how better to communicate. I realized this too that I

645
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 3: went to music because I didn't know how to say

646
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: how I was feeling, and I didn't feel like I

647
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: had a place to say how I was feeling. And

648
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: it became the place that I went to express myself.

649
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: So it makes sense now in my in this time

650
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: in my life when I reflect that all the times

651
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: that I thought I was communicating that I wasn't. It

652
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: wasn't it wasn't effective. I wasn't doing the thing.

653
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: Well you was communicated. It was only a language that

654
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: you understand exactly or.

655
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: Just communicating with myself. You know, you might just be

656
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: talking to yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, you go in those shops and get your

658
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: nails and they be talking like I wouldn't have what

659
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: they say it when you thought you was communicating, she

660
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder, what do you think.

661
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: He's saying to me? Because I get what he's saying. Yeah,

662
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: and vice versa.

663
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Right, So you're gonna have to learn you know, sometimes

664
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: you might have to learn a second language in order

665
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: to communicate with our partner, so we both understand what

666
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: what she needs and she understands what you need.

667
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: Also, we speak different languages like like cirt. Like you

668
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: have you ever noticed like your friends like or you know, whomever,

669
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: just they hear things a different way. So sometimes you

670
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: just got to know, like, Okay, they're gonna hear that

671
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: like that, so let me just be cognizant. Yeah, if

672
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: I say it like this, they're gonna receive it like this.

673
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: That's the consideration that you have when you care about somebody.

674
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 4: You know.

675
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: Yes, I had to learn that because I'm like I

676
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: would say something and I just automatically assumed they would

677
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: understand what I'm talking about.

678
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: And I'm like, why can't you wander?

679
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: But what I said was, well, you said it like

680
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: this and then what it which you know.

681
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: I've had to learn, Yeah, to be very specific, They're

682
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: not in your head.

683
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: They don't think like you think. You don't they don't

684
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: feel like you feel. They don't see it how you

685
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: see it. That was the hardest thing because I'm saying something.

686
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, why you why is that song?

687
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, why is that bothering you? Why does that

688
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: bother you?

689
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 11: All I said was this and I meant it like this,

690
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 11: and you know, but but it's learning, you know, Yeah,

691
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 11: I'm gonnagah.

692
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: What's what's the what's your favorite song that you've recorded?

693
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: A song called the play Though? Right now, right now,

694
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: there's a song on this album called the play Through,

695
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: which is about the sacrifice that all of our well

696
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: that we make, that life requires again sacrifices well that

697
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: that life requires, and all of the sacrifice that we

698
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: are the be it our parents and their parents and

699
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: their parents before them. It took a lot of luck

700
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: to be here and a lot of sacrifice. And that

701
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: song is about how proud I am to have I

702
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: have gone through what I've gone through and whether it

703
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: was the easier way or the hard way, to have

704
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: learned what I've learned and to have my soul intact,

705
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: you know. I think that's the thing I'm the most

706
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: proud of is that, you know, I've done a lot

707
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: of things that I wouldn't repeat, you know, and I've

708
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: decided that actionably, I will do things like this and

709
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: operate like this with a lot of consideration. And I'm

710
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: proud of myself, man. And that song is about the

711
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: fight that we all have to get to that place.

712
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: Like man, I'm really actually proud of myself. I've been

713
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: through AB and C and you know what, my soul

714
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 3: is still standing. There's a line in there that means

715
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: my song don't not give me halford which is like

716
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: the same blood as my father. That means my song

717
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: I don't not give me headfit edip a lot of

718
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: my DPA, which is broken, but soul standing. And how

719
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: many times have we all been broken? How many lives

720
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: have we lived or we've gone you know what, let

721
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: me figure it out and do it better and done it.

722
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: Got to be proud of yourself for these times, you know,

723
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: and and keeping your soul intact is probably one of

724
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: the hardest things. So, man, that song is one of

725
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: my I'm the most one of the most proud. I'm

726
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: the most proud about that song, especially on this album.

727
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: Do you feel you've learned more from mistakes?

728
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: I wrote a song on my first album called hard Way,

729
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: and it's the lyric is like I always learned the

730
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: hard Way. I wish I didn't write that song because

731
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I spoken there in the pin man, it's

732
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: it's I've learned a lot of a lot of things

733
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: by mistake. I hope wisdom leads in my next ten I.

734
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: Hope I lead the wisdom, you know. Sure thing, that's

735
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: what that song.

736
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: One of those ones. Man, that's really good. I drink

737
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: my skyline. I'm like, man, that's well.

738
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: I appreciate you. I appreciate y'all heard that right there?

739
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 4: I mean beguild thematic on not there you say he

740
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: turned it life over, switched my whole see me with

741
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: the V S O P. Yeah, sure thing. If you

742
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: be the cash, I'll be the rubber band, right, you

743
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: be the match I'll be the fuse.

744
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: Bro.

745
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, she had she was liked you like that, y'all.

746
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: Would you know y'all would like that.

747
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: My pen was like that, how could I look. I'm

748
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you, man, I will I'm a dreamer.

749
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: I think every every artist knows how to dream their emotion,

750
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: you know, and they're pulling from emotion to make the

751
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: dream real in their practice. And I was nineteen. There

752
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: was no way I could experience I could have. I

753
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: never knew love like that, but I knew that I

754
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: wanted love like that, and I knew that, you know,

755
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: I was in a relationship, you know, with with with

756
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: my significant other. We were we were I feel like

757
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: even early on we felt really like, oh no, like

758
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: this is special. So I always feel that way, you know,

759
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: I always I always have that regard. It's in that song.

760
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: But I didn't necessarily know what that meant when I

761
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: was writing it. I was I was that was my pen, yeah,

762
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: because I was like, yeah, yeah.

763
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: I actually still carry my money in a robber band.

764
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 9: It is.

765
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: Actually I actually do know.

766
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, you hear you hear

767
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: artists said, you know they get this from an inspiration, uh,

768
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, relationship or this something in their childhood. But

769
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: you said, at the time, you just wrote that you

770
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: what I mean, obviously you had just started with the

771
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: significant other that you was with for an extended period

772
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: of time. But I'm like, y'all, you felt that, like

773
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: that's what you wanted. You wanted someone that like, I'm

774
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: the fuse you to match. I'm the rubber you the cash,

775
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm the rubber band. We're locked in, We're connected, just

776
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: like that. You wanted that that that young of an age.

777
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 3: I mean again, like, and this is not to take away,

778
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: like I'm not I don't want to downplay or like

779
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: minimize anything that's not at all what I'm doing. I'm

780
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: being real when I say, man, I was I was

781
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: nineteen years old. I'm only now really learning new levels

782
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: of love.

783
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: Okay.

784
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: And I said this more recently in another in another conversation,

785
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: another interview. I'm like, man, I'm learning how to love myself.

786
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: Like the depth of what I understand love can be

787
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: is evolving. So what I was writing was aspirational. I

788
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 3: was aspiring to have love like that. And it doesn't

789
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: take away that in my life I had someone that

790
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: showed me that that's a possibility, you know, So I

791
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: don't want to take away I want to say, but

792
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: maybe I didn't experience it then, but I was looking

793
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: for it and I did have someone that I was like, man,

794
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: maybe this could be the kind of love that we have,

795
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen years old. You know about love at

796
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: nineteen man like.

797
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm married this girl.

798
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and more power to anyone who does. Yeah,

799
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: I mean I think that's I think it's very rare.

800
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

801
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Guys that been with their girlfriend says sixth seventh grade

802
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: and through high school and through college and they're together.

803
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: I commend them from that. Yeah, but more time than not.

804
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: At that age, you don't really know what you Yeah,

805
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: you're not really developed or experienced enough. But some people

806
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: to kudos to those that.

807
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: Who have it, who have that, man, that's incredible. Also,

808
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: that's lucky.

809
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so lucky. Yeah, for sure, man to find someone. Two.

810
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Well, I shouldn't say, look look at what happened when

811
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: preparation meets opportunity, But I think I look at it

812
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: like this. It's easy if you're physically attracted to someone.

813
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Like football was easy to me, but I still had

814
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: to work. I had to train, I had to eat right,

815
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I had to study, so I had to do it.

816
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: I had to practice, so in other words, I had

817
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: to work at it. A lot of times in the relationship,

818
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: we get the things that bring us to the relationship,

819
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: you forget that still work to be done.

820
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be key?

821
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: That's a guys, like, that's a.

822
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: That's the people don't realize.

823
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: You may show up naturally disposed like, oh no, this

824
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: actually there's there's a natural thing. Doesn't negate that you

825
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: still have to work? You have and it also requires

826
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: like it's a teamwork. Yes, it's like, so one can

827
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: work and if the others not work, it's it's.

828
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: It's two people against a problem, not me against you,

829
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of times we think it's it's me

830
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: against you.

831
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: Man, I should have got him as a theory, shouldst.

832
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: And I listened to therapist, I'd be a place. But

833
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: I think the thing is that.

834
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: But I think the thing is that you don't when

835
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: you're in it, when you're living it, it's you don't

836
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: see it. You can't see it, and then when you

837
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: get out of.

838
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 4: It, you're like, how did I miss that?

839
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so true in retrospect, it's so easy

840
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: to kind of identify it is I wasn't putting in

841
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: the work here again, the I can Yeah, It's definitely

842
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: one of those ones where I can see in the

843
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: songwriting I was aspiring for. I was aspiring for. It

844
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: was it was an aspirational thing.

845
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: But do you remember where you were when you wrote that,

846
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 4: when you was thinking about that song?

847
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 3: So I wrote the song. I wrote the beginnings of

848
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: that song and the chorus in the car I was living,

849
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: I was leaving a I left a yeah shout out

850
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: to Happy Perez. Happy Perez invited me to a session

851
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: just down the street from where we are right now,

852
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: just a few short blocks.

853
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

854
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: And I go into this session and it's for a

855
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: group unknown actually never really, I don't think the group

856
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: ever made it out. But the an R basically was like,

857
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: what are you? Who are you?

858
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: You know?

859
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: You know this is a session. It's a closed session.

860
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I'm here. I was invited

861
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: by you know, Happy Perez. He's the producer. Like, we're sorry,

862
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: we don't have you here and you can't get here here.

863
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: Hap was like, man, don't worry, they tripping whatever. He

864
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: was like, but I got some beats. I'm gonna give

865
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: them to you. And like maybe we can link later

866
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: on Wow, gave me a beat CD. This is back

867
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: when CDs were.

868
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: A thing or a thing.

869
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 3: Burned me a CD. I jumped in the width first

870
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: beat that came on, sure Thing and that chorus now

871
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: the verse. If you beat a cash, you beat a

872
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: rubber man, beat a match. I would be a few

873
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: but all that in the car and I actually wrote

874
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: a completely different course actually in the car by the

875
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: time I got to the crib, got my inbox out.

876
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: For anyone out there who knows what an inbox is,

877
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, You've been doing it for

878
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: a long time. Yeah, it was like the early home

879
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: recording pro tools hardware interface. Went to my room and

880
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: I cut it a whole different course and happy has

881
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: it somewhere. It's not nearly as good as the course,

882
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: but I was like, I feel like it should be

883
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: something else, and I rewrote the chorus and the rest

884
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 3: of this kind of history.

885
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Did you know, like when you're writing this song, like

886
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, because he gave you the beat, I mean

887
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: you thought you was gonna go hang out and like

888
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't be here it's a private session. And then

889
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: you go home and you listen to it on the

890
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: way home, and you get home and you write it,

891
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: did you know that you had something special?

892
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: I've been when the song was done. When I finished

893
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: the song, I knew the song was special. I didn't

894
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: know how special, but I knew that there was like

895
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: a there was a there was something in it that

896
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: felt new and cool, right, you know, it just felt like, no,

897
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: this feels like now, like this is how our song

898
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: should be written, you know. And and at the time

899
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: it was like that. It was actually very like for

900
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: it was a very in terms of the approach it was.

901
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: It was a new approach in terms of R and B.

902
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: You do realize that they're some women out there probably

903
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: thinking that song was about there right.

904
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: Anyways, Like there's listen, the best part about being a

905
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: musician in writing songs is like how many people have

906
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: found themselves in the details of the pen And I

907
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: think what makes that song special is those details. You

908
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: can see them in their vibrant and like who doesn't

909
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: want it? Like what woman doesn't want to be?

910
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: That was me?

911
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: That was me?

912
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 4: Girl? You like.

913
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: You know, you know, I don't know how many how

914
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: many got slayd to that song? That it was actually

915
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: really meant in the way that it was written. But

916
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, it just gets It's what happens.

917
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 4: Is it true? The record company tried to get at.

918
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: The usher, so I submitted that record for us.

919
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: Oh you tried to give it to it?

920
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I was. I was a starving you know,

921
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: starving artist. I was an unknown obscure, grew up here

922
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: in Englewood and San Pedro and like didn't have connections

923
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 3: like that. So it was a song that I was like, Yeah,

924
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm willing to give it up if it's gonna mean getting.

925
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: To right the next level. Yeah, he didn't want it,

926
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 4: or they you couldn't get it to him or how

927
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: does it?

928
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: What I what I understand is like it was I

929
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: think he had the song for some time and he

930
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: liked it, but just never it didn't really make sense

931
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: with everything else they were doing, okay, and so he

932
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: never really cut it, but it worked out.

933
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 4: Did the art Did your label try to give up

934
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 4: any of the other songs to artists? No, not really.

935
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: I think after that they were like, nah, were just

936
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: gonna let him rock, We're just gonna let him cook.

937
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: He's a weird though, let him do his weird songs

938
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: and like just do his thing.

939
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 4: I know, Michael, did you ever meet Michael Jackson?

940
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: No?

941
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: You know the interesting to that song. I played that

942
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: song for a couple of people, and there was a

943
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: point where I had gotten word through my publisher at

944
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: the time and some people that I knew were kind

945
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: of associated and around Michael that he had interest in

946
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 3: your thing. But I don't, I can't. I can't really

947
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: confirm that that's what I was.

948
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: That would have been crazy, Wow, that would have been amazing.

949
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: That would have been this song kind of blew up,

950
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: like on tiktoking to hear it. So now you put

951
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: this song out, you're like, I think I got something

952
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: you don't really know. I mean, I mean, I'm sure

953
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: there's no way that Michael Jackson thought Thriller would do

954
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: one hundred million copies. He thought he had some good

955
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: songs on there.

956
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: But to go to that, oh he was aiming. But

957
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: you know, Michael was mad. He was like computers, like, no,

958
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm about to have the biggest and he's the biggest.

959
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

960
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: But I mean probably at that time, what maybe the

961
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: Beatles maybe what fifteen million copies or Elvis or something

962
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: like that.

963
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 4: When you do I mean in an era, I mean

964
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 4: you do fifteen times. That album is one hundred times,

965
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 4: one hundred times platinum. Yeah, it's like you know, you

966
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 4: know you ten, fourteen, fifteen times diamond. Yeah, that's crazy.

967
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't know who will ever see another album? Do

968
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 4: that not likely?

969
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 3: It's not likely, that's not likely.

970
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 4: But do you know, like when you do a song,

971
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 4: do you know, man it's a banger?

972
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know when I know when there are

973
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 3: songs that I take I take that back. I know

974
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: when their bangers to me? Correct yea, yeah, yeah, I'm like, no,

975
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: that's a banger. But you know I have my taste.

976
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: Is That's why there's my album. I can one, but

977
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: some of them I don't know honestly, Like I'll be

978
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: honest with you, I have to play it for people

979
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: close to me, like Drew right, Drew over here called

980
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: Skywalker early. He walked into the session. We're also close by.

981
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: He walked into the session and he heard that. He

982
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 3: was like, that's the one, and he's called it a

983
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: couple of times. Wow, all I want is you. He

984
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: called come through and chill. Yeah, Skywalker, he called all

985
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: the early ones. Quickie.

986
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: He was like that's it. That's it.

987
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: Those are the ones. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not

988
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: always I'm not always key to the ones that are

989
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: going to be like bigger, but I do know when

990
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: they're special.

991
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: So did you did you end up making money that

992
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: that was?

993
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: That was?

994
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 4: You made some money for that one? Huh?

995
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: We did good, We did good.

996
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 4: I think the.

997
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: I always say I got lucky. I have an audience

998
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: who's really down to ride because none of my albums

999
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: are the same, and I know that I'm I'm not

1000
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: like the obvious choice, you know. I think I think

1001
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: that's where I built this course. We were recently invited

1002
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: to be scholar residents at n y U, and I

1003
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: built the course around what I've learned not being the

1004
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: obvious obvious choice and what it really is. The course

1005
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: is called Speaking Chaos the Power, but it is about

1006
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: taking the uncertainty of the systems that are in front

1007
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: of us and finding ways to guide and direct them

1008
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: in ways that are more equitable for artists. And I

1009
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: think it can be applied to anything, but it's about

1010
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: really connecting with their audience. And I got really lucky

1011
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 3: to do that early on. And and what my next

1012
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: ten you know, is are about is really helping other

1013
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: artists do that and become not just financially free, but

1014
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 3: also have creative freedom and to do it in parallel.

1015
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: I think often what we find and what I've seen

1016
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: that I got lucky. How I feel the most lucky

1017
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: is that I didn't. That I got both you know,

1018
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: by accident somehow, you know, and I had and I

1019
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: had great people who were kind of mentoring me. You know.

1020
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: So what we need, I think now, especially for art,

1021
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: is to reflect the times. I think it's really important.

1022
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: Music was a big part of the movements that we

1023
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: know changed the course of the food. You know, when

1024
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: you hear Nina Simone say that it's it's important for

1025
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: artists to reflect the times. Like she was actively strange.

1026
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: Change is gonna come, Sam Cook.

1027
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: Sam Cook is the best, like one of the best.

1028
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 3: So so we look at these times that always had

1029
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: music and art and all part of it, you know,

1030
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: what's going on if we are really wanting the change,

1031
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a holistic thing to expect the art

1032
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: to reflect the the the desire and the need that

1033
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: that has changed. And then obviously organization and you know,

1034
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: mobilizing of a lot of people so the course is

1035
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: about that and and you know, making money is one

1036
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 3: of those things that I've got to learn through a

1037
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: lot of mistakes that I feel like it's just teachable.

1038
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: It's teachable for artists. So that's my next ten. My

1039
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: next ten is really dedicated to again black Latino brown voices,

1040
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: storytellers LEFTI center, like myself, who deserve development and capital

1041
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: to build out their ideas so as to affect the

1042
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: kind of change in the systems and culture that we deserve,

1043
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 3: the kind that we deserve. And I'm not being like,

1044
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm not acting like I'm you know, trying. I'm I'm

1045
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: it's all altruistic, you know what I mean. It is

1046
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 3: for profit, you know, in the system that we live

1047
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: in right now, that is how we're interfacing. Maybe one

1048
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: day it'll be different, and I hope if we can

1049
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 3: we get to inspire some of those voices that maybe

1050
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: change the way that things work in this paradigm. But

1051
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: until we get there, I want to help. I want

1052
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: to help artists like that come from similar places that

1053
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 3: I do to get there, to lock in without without

1054
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: it being at the expense of their you know, relationships

1055
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: and all the things that are that are Is that

1056
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: really possible?

1057
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: I think it is.

1058
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about can you reach that upper the upper

1059
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: upper upper that Michael Jackson beyond say that. I'm talking

1060
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: about the upper paradigm of Tom Brady, Lebron, Michael Jordan,

1061
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: Serena Williams.

1062
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: Can you reach that paradigm?

1063
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not there. I'm not there, but you.

1064
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: Still sacrifice to get to what you said?

1065
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Shalldon, I'm not there, but I'm here and I

1066
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: still had to sacrifice. And you said you probably should

1067
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: have sacrificed more because you did devote sometime.

1068
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: Why didn't say I should sacrifice more? I think I

1069
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: think what is important is like, however I did it

1070
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: to get here, I could do it better and I'm

1071
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: not going to get there doing it the way that

1072
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: I did it before. Okay, So I want to believe,

1073
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: and maybe I'm crazy. Tell me this is a conversation

1074
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: we'll have to keep having. Maybe I'm crazy, but I

1075
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: have to believe that there's a better way, that there

1076
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: is a holistic way to but you can.

1077
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Do it without the count of sacrifices that it's gonna take,

1078
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: maybe denying a wife or denying kids, recitals, or football

1079
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: games or soccer games or no no.

1080
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: No, no, no, not at all. What I'm saying is

1081
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: that it doesn't have to come at the total sacrifice

1082
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: of your relationships and your your being whole and being real.

1083
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: It's gonna require sacrifice. I do think there's a better

1084
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 3: way where that I did, whereby your relationships stay intact,

1085
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: that you stay locked in with them and whole with

1086
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: with all of your relationships, and that those things keep

1087
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: you sustainable. I think that's actually what when I've kind

1088
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: of like taken a break, it's still relationships with my

1089
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: family and my friends. Those are the ones that actually

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Speaker 3: really came around me and really help bolster me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 1: So what type of woman do you want? If you

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: want an independent woman, you have to understand. Has someone say, Shaddy,

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01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: do you know why movie stars married other movie stars?

1095
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I say they like each other. He's like, yeah, that's

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: a part of it, he said, because the other notice

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: like to live in that world. So if you get

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Speaker 1: if you want a housewife, understand you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: take care of her. If you get an independent woman,

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01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: she's gonna think independently. So the question is if you're

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01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: gonna do all that, what type of woman are you

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01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: going to get because she's gonna have to understand, and

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01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 1: she understands, Savannah James, I should courage they understand. Most

1104
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: of the time, someone that has a wife or a

1105
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: significant other that does that, they're not they don't have

1106
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: their own they're not working because I can't. I can't

1107
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: because I can't focus on me and give you.

1108
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Miguel, what do you you know? You say,

1109
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were talking about individual shit.

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: That is an individual You said, you think you can

1112
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Speaker 1: do it differently this time while keeping the relationship, keeping

1113
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Speaker 1: the partner intact.

1114
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean all relationships. But an answer

1116
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 3: to my answer to your question is personally, I always

1117
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: want to be with someone who is able to dream

1118
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 3: a dream and also have their own dream. The one

1119
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 3: thing I cannot be I can't be with someone who

1120
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: doesn't have a vision for themselves. I need someone who

1121
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: also has a passion and a purpose that they feel

1122
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: so deeply that they're on their own mission as well.

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 3: So in the way that you kind of use the

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: analogy or the example of like an actor, maybe with

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: an actor because they understand that the lifestyle is going

1126
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 3: to demand time away and this and that I think.

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: I think at my core, I will always need to

1128
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: be and I'll always be with someone who a person

1129
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: who has their own vision and their own purpose and

1130
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: it's deeply like believes in it and is also effective,

1131
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 3: and so you understand that.

1132
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 4: She's not gonna always be there for you in it.

1133
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: You're becking call, right, That's why it's great.

1134
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm a scorpio, so I'd be like, leave me alone

1135
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: anyway you feel me, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

1136
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: that's me though, Yeah yeah, yeah, so it kind of

1137
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 3: works out.

1138
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this.

1139
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: I've been always wanted to know because I've getting so

1140
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: many different answers. Streaming now, I'm sure Drake and and

1141
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in the weekend they're cool with streaming.

1142
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're doing bill your bill, your bill, your billing.

1143
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 3: Where is Miguel on streaming Miguel currently? The real numbers

1144
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: are like twenty seven million a month. Every million translates

1145
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 3: to about four thousand dollars currently, So do the math.

1146
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 4: That ain't no bad money. Okay, So so I man,

1147
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: I could make it work, right, but I could make

1148
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: it work.

1149
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: We can make it work. However, when you look at

1150
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 3: what kind of money would be made with a purchase,

1151
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 3: that's when all music is all available at not ninety

1152
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: nine cents a month at all times. So we're fighting

1153
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 3: for attention well. Streaming as it is as a paradigm,

1154
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: devalues the art and the sacrifice the time of a

1155
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: lot of people, not just the artists, but the engineers,

1156
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: the writers, all of the ecosystem of really making music.

1157
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 3: So the way I see it is that streaming is not,

1158
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: in and of itself, the technology, the offering is not,

1159
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: in and of itself a threat. The idea is fine.

1160
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: It's the ownership, it's the equity, it is the payout

1161
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: is it is the the mechanical way that it works

1162
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: on behalf of the art that empowers it, that is

1163
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: the life blood of it, that is that needs to

1164
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: be corrected. And personally, I think the answer really comes

1165
01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 3: in somewhere in ownership artists, ownership of and I don't

1166
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: have no answer to this. I'm not invested in any company.

1167
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 3: I've heard of a couple. I have a lot of

1168
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 3: interest in companies like Subvert Big Shout out to Subvert

1169
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: love what they're doing. There's a couple of companies out

1170
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: here who are looking for better alternatives whereby the artist

1171
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 3: has ownership in the company itself, streaming and obviously their

1172
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: ip an. It's an important issue that I think, once answered,

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01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: will revolutionize not just the business part, but the actual

1174
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: quality of the music. And until it becomes something that's

1175
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 3: owned by artists, artists owned, and there's equity there for

1176
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: artists at this stage of the of the paradigm that

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01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: we live in, because we know too much now. We

1178
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: know that we've been taking advantage of for decades, for

1179
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: centuries as artists when it comes to writing and owners

1180
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 3: of owner ownership of masters and whatnot. And we've seen

1181
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: great examples of ownership of and retaining ownership of masters

1182
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: a La Birdman and No Limit. We've seen it do

1183
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: really well. That the only next step is for there

1184
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: to be an artist owned to me, an artist owned

1185
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 3: streaming platform. When it's artists owned and protected and maintained

1186
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: to me, that then gives it a whole other level

1187
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: of it is for us by us, you know, And

1188
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: I think personally what I would love to see in

1189
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: the next five is further to emerge and artist owned,

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01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 3: not one artist, but a collective of artists owned streaming platform,

1191
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 3: and I think with that leverage, it will it will

1192
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 3: probably benefit the people who create the music, and that's.

1193
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 4: What we deserve.

1194
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: But will we Will it ever be like it was

1195
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties and the nineties when people

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01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: actually go purchase hard copies of albums.

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 3: I hope, so you can go get my vinyl right now,

1198
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: that's when ce don la I hope.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 3: I think people are still I still buy vinyl. I

1201
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 3: still buy music, you know.

1202
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to go to like what like

1203
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: one of those little specialty shops like right, because there's

1204
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: no more Tower music than you know, what was the

1205
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: other one, I forget the other name of the name

1206
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: they used to go, and you know, you go through it.

1207
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: I remember back in the Savings, you go and like

1208
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: could you play this for me? And they put it

1209
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: on and you listen and you listen to it like yeah, okay, okay,

1210
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this.

1211
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 4: But you know, will it ever? Will it ever be

1212
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 4: a time like that again?

1213
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 3: I think it'll be novelty. I think that version will

1214
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 3: be a novelty experience, which is which is dope. I

1215
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 3: still love to go to a record store and put

1216
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 3: a record on and go like, let me listen to

1217
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 3: it and have phone. Yes, yeah, man, it's dope. It's

1218
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: a dope experience. And that will be there just the

1219
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 3: same way like people still go.

1220
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 4: Go up.

1221
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 3: People will still go ride horses. Like we had the

1222
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: car with the horror replaced the horse, but the horse

1223
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 3: is still an experience, you know, and there's a market

1224
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: for that.

1225
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 4: It's still something about having that physical copy of that album. Yeah,

1226
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 4: But we are.

1227
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 3: People where we like convenience, you know what I'm saying,

1228
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 3: Like this VISU is the product of a lot of

1229
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 3: hard work, correct and development and all of that. But

1230
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: you're trying to you having that available at all times

1231
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 3: is the goal. When it's on demand, you want to have.

1232
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 4: It, hold it.

1233
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: We originally had it only came out e commerce, but

1234
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: we didn't really start taking off until we got to

1235
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: end the packaging shop, right, you know, the Lee's Liquor,

1236
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: the you know, the Total Wine ABC.

1237
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 4: So I definitely get what you're saying. And people have

1238
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 4: made everything so convenient.

1239
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: That's why Amazon is what it is, because hey, they

1240
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: give it to you to say next day, they might get.

1241
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 4: It to you that day. You really want it.

1242
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 3: Listen, if it's not on Prime, you might just not

1243
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: buy it, you know what I'm saying, if it's not

1244
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: so so, you know there's a there's a part of

1245
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: that experience that's just a reality. So I don't know

1246
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: that we'll ever fully go back to just hard copy,

1247
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: but I do think that as it affects the music funding,

1248
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 3: a way to take back the value and our re reaffirm,

1249
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 3: re establish the value of music is something that to

1250
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 3: me is top of mind because I love the I

1251
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 3: love this art form. This is not just my this

1252
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: is not my livelihood only. I'm passionate about music. I

1253
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: love music and it's changes. We don't do anything without music.

1254
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 3: There's an intro to this show with music. Every film

1255
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 3: has music. Every experience that was significant to you, well,

1256
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 3: maybe not every, but we've got plenty of memories that

1257
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 3: we grew up around.

1258
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 4: We cleaned the house on Saturday, we listen music.

1259
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 12: Listen to toilet would never be as clean as it

1260
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 12: is if there was not music, you know what I'm saying,

1261
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 12: Like we clean different with music is so I do

1262
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 12: think that there's a just there's a big discrepancy between

1263
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 12: the real value and the and what it means to

1264
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 12: people in life and actually how that how that is

1265
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 12: reflected in how we show that it's valuable and and

1266
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 12: there isn't there is a better way.

1267
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 3: It is my I believe that that can be evolved

1268
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: and be more equitable for artists once there's an artist

1269
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: owned platform.

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: What have you learned about the music business being in

1271
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: it for two decades? What have you learned about the

1272
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: music industry?

1273
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 5: Uh?

1274
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 3: All of it is. You know, money is a tool

1275
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 3: and it is motivated by money. That's why I don't

1276
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:43,919
Speaker 3: take things personally.

1277
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1278
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 3: It's like even the Grammys, and I don't mean to

1279
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,799
Speaker 3: remove anything from from the significance of winning a Grammy

1280
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: at all. I'm being having one has changed my life.

1281
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 4: Yes, so so.

1282
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 3: I can't wait to perform on the Grammys again if

1283
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: it should ever happen, or win a Grammy whatever. But

1284
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 3: the Grammys, any award show, all of that is still

1285
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 3: a part of a larger economic effort to make money.

1286
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1287
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 3: So that program that you watch when you see your

1288
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: favorite artists on the stage performing is really to make

1289
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: ad dollars crazy. The NFL, every single advertisement you see

1290
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: on during the Super Bowl, they make in billion, millions billion,

1291
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 3: So it's this is all. This is all to say that,

1292
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: like my understanding of the music business is that it's

1293
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 3: really been in the interest of the people at the top.

1294
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: Again and in the same thinking of the conversation about

1295
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: the streaming platforms, it's really like, at what point are

1296
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: we going to take the savvy that we are accumulating

1297
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 3: over social media and the information being shared and what

1298
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: we've learned in history to really take ownership of the

1299
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 3: opportunity is to really be directly connected to our audience.

1300
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 3: I think plenty of them are. That's why you see Tyler,

1301
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 3: That's why you see Billy, That's why you see certain

1302
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: ones go Cray. I mean, these are artists I love

1303
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,879
Speaker 3: who have really tapped into their audience and really connected

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Speaker 3: deeply with their audience in a way that whatever they do,

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Speaker 3: wherever they go products they make their lot in.

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned something earlier, you said in your

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Speaker 1: forties you want to be able to help people young, black,

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Speaker 1: brown Latino communities. What advice been this thing two decades?

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Speaker 1: What advice are you going to impart on the youth

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Speaker 1: coming up that want to do what you did?

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Speaker 3: Be your own here, ro operate by your values. If

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Speaker 3: you don't know the answer, go with the best. Go

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Speaker 3: with the best option and adjust. Overthinking will stunt the

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Speaker 3: growth and does it. Live by your values. Be your

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Speaker 3: own hero, make the best decision right in front of you,

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Speaker 3: and adjusts as necessary as needed. If you can operate

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Speaker 3: from your values, you'll always get to the feeling that

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Speaker 3: you're actually looking at looking for.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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Speaker 1: simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.