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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fire Drill. Uh. This Sunday, not

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Speaker 1: out an hour long podcast. It goes on derailments, which

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Speaker 1: an hour, UM about a bunch of things, and they

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Speaker 1: and um, just how sad it all is, um. And

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Speaker 1: then we talked about We went on a tangent about

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Speaker 1: almost nothing to do with golf, except that we tie

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Speaker 1: it into Alan and Phil Mickelson, which I think was

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Speaker 1: a great uh comparison. It really is uh in a

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Speaker 1: very microcosmic uh look into what it is to be

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Without further ado, here's the three of

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Speaker 1: us talking golf. Mostly I got Dot, he can't get

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Speaker 1: Jan nothing thing. What I'm thinking about can't get them

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Speaker 1: out nothing. Think what I'm thinking about Christmas, Hanukah and

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Speaker 1: Kwanza came early with Tiger Woods um playing in the

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Speaker 1: the match. Uh, you know it was under the lights,

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Speaker 1: think of this spectacle? Did not know it was played

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Speaker 1: until you just said it. This is the rigorous preparation

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Speaker 1: amazing that it is amazing? Does he meant to play

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Speaker 1: in the Father's Son Tournament? First? What's the order here

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Speaker 1: Charlie Woods, the biggest star in golf by my calculations,

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Speaker 1: It was like an hour long pre pre damn and

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Speaker 1: I mean, prime time national audience. He didn't. He didn't

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Speaker 1: As Nicholas says, never ever, ever, ever, ever count out

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Speaker 1: this Tiger Woods. But I think he must know on

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Speaker 1: because all you know, he'd always been disacclaimed writer and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden his wife is like famous, and

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Speaker 1: instead of him being whatever competitive about it, he was

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Speaker 1: just so proud of her. And that was a sweet

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Speaker 1: element to there their whole story. And of course it's

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Speaker 1: it's part of the tragedy for they didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: I say, how nice for you on a very quite

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Speaker 1: kind of way, at least have a chance to have

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Speaker 1: that one conversation so recently. Um, what what what? What

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Speaker 1: was to deal with him leaving us? Ah, well, it

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Speaker 1: was just you know, as as you know, Michael, when

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Speaker 1: we left, it was kind of similar timing. They were

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Speaker 1: very much in a cost cutting mode and just it

439
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Speaker 1: was like every year, lose ten percent of the of

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Speaker 1: the staff kind of thing. And so, um, and so

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Speaker 1: I read it. I don't know, you guys wouldn't know

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Speaker 1: better than I obviously, but I read that he spoke

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Speaker 1: out about s I cutting salaries during COVID and and

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Speaker 1: was gone soon after that. So yeah, yeah, well so

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Speaker 1: it got it's this is where we're getting deep in

446
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Speaker 1: the wheacher. But yeah, it actually turned it got messy

447
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Speaker 1: because he wounded up suing Sports Ill Straight because some

448
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Speaker 1: of their leadership had said some things about him in

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Speaker 1: the press. And he won the settlement, so he actually

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Speaker 1: came back and did a victory lap at s I,

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Speaker 1: and did I think the deal was As part of

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Speaker 1: the settlement, he wrote a few more long form pieces

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Speaker 1: and so he Grant got kind of a curtain call

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Speaker 1: at Sports Hill Straight and which was which was cool.

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Speaker 1: But um, and yeah, I mean he was a very

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Speaker 1: passionate guy like he wore his hard on his sleeve

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you were charting to slave and he

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Speaker 1: wore the gay Pride T shirt into the stadium there

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Speaker 1: those who followed. Is what life near the end would

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Speaker 1: know about that. Just an extremely principled, fine person and

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Speaker 1: as as I would have known him. And Alan tell

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Speaker 1: me if I have this wrong, Just a paragon of

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Speaker 1: of of fitness, just slender. So this is an interesting

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Speaker 1: undercurrent to all of this. You know, Grant's brother went

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Speaker 1: on on social media and and said, and so Grant

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Speaker 1: had warned to the first game this it's a rainbow

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Speaker 1: T shirt that a soccer ball, and and he got

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Speaker 1: detained by security because we all know Cutter is not

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Speaker 1: really an open society that's tolerant of other people's points

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Speaker 1: of views and lifestyles and whatever and um. And then

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Speaker 1: Granted also written extensively about the horrible conditions of the

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Speaker 1: migrant workers who are used to build all the soccer

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Speaker 1: stadiums over there. And when his last post was was

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Speaker 1: about that because I guess a worker died in his stadium.

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Speaker 1: And so so Grant's brother Eric said, you know, he

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Speaker 1: thought that they Granted had been murdered essentially, and it

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Speaker 1: was not a natural causes, which I hope that's not true.

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Speaker 1: That would be really dark. I mean, Grant hadn't hadn't

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Speaker 1: had some health issues over there. He thought he had

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Speaker 1: bronchitis or whatever. So I don't know about all that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't go to the live event

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Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia even though I wanted to. But various

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Speaker 1: people in my life, including our calling Matt Janelle and

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Speaker 1: others like felt strongly I shouldn't go because, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've I've been in sort of the front lines of

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Speaker 1: all this live stuff and the Michelson quotes and all

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Speaker 1: of it, and I always felt like that's totally overblown.

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Speaker 1: But um, you know, there I talked to some international

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Speaker 1: businessman types who have done a lot of work in

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and my whole point was nothing Live Golf

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Speaker 1: does want anything that happened to me that would make

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Speaker 1: them look terrible. The MBS doesn't want that that he's

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Speaker 1: the host of this thing. Like I'm I'm probably the

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Speaker 1: safest person in Saudi Arabia. But these guys who I

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Speaker 1: spoke to have been over there a lot, said, well,

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Speaker 1: there's actually these elements within the country they were working

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Speaker 1: against MBS, and you know, they're always looking for good

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Speaker 1: targets to create. You know, it's like this rogue element.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're the state apparatus wants you to be okay,

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Speaker 1: but you can't account for for you know, fanatics and

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Speaker 1: others with agendas and so it was like low probability,

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Speaker 1: high high um outcomes. So I wound up not making

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Speaker 1: the trip. There's other reasons to scheduling and everything else,

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Speaker 1: but um, so that just gave me a little shudder.

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Speaker 1: You know what, what what Grant's brother put out there publicly,

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Speaker 1: if if if in some way there was any kind

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Speaker 1: of foul play, because what he had typed, it's like

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Speaker 1: we'll never know the truth. That will never know that.

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Speaker 1: And um it's just like for me, it had some

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Speaker 1: some resonance because I ultimately like to not to make

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Speaker 1: a trip over that part of the world. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: ye know, was Walton a golfer aroun No he no,

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Speaker 1: he he would actually we gotta get him. We gotta

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Speaker 1: looking up with Michael Murphy like he I could. I

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Speaker 1: could see Bill Walton getting into that. The whole essence

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Speaker 1: of of you know, this the spiritual out of golf,

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Speaker 1: which some believe in and and and embrace and others

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Speaker 1: are are not so into, which is fine. But like

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Speaker 1: they'd be fellow travelers for sure. And um but to

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Speaker 1: my to my knowledge, I don't think he's ever touched

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Speaker 1: the club. Yeah he Uh remember John pappt with You

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Speaker 1: would have known John Papaak? I'm sure Alan, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: maybe have gone by Timmy arrived. Yeah, four imagining editor

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. He was gone before I got there, But

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Speaker 1: I didn't meet him that Um, Peter Carey's retirement some

526
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Speaker 1: some function where a bunch of old sid folks got together.

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Speaker 1: So I met him. I know of him. What what

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Speaker 1: what's your story? Well, he he used to tell a

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Speaker 1: funny story about he was he was gonna ghost right

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Speaker 1: Walton's memoir and uh and and he told John about

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Speaker 1: how he grew up without a TV. And well, it's

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Speaker 1: like why you grew up with that too? He once like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had no two interhouse and then Papa neck is

534
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Speaker 1: having a mealer or something with Walton's mother and uh

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Speaker 1: and John sci like, so what's steal you guys didn't

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Speaker 1: have a TV growing up? By the way, Ryan French

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Speaker 1: didn't have a TV growing up for a large number, long,

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Speaker 1: long period of time, and Mrs Walton says, uh, is

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Speaker 1: John still telling that story? Of course we had a TV.

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Speaker 1: So then so then John was back to Walton says,

541
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Speaker 1: your mom says you had a TV and and you know,

542
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Speaker 1: to make a long story short, Walton's like, this is

543
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: not gonna work out if you're actually gonna fact check me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's just for the record, I actually didn't have a TV,

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Speaker 1: and it's been fact checked with well one parent. I

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Speaker 1: can't really fact check, but one parent has in fact

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Speaker 1: fact checked the fact that the only I've tried to

548
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: fact check it. You know, the dispute is whether it died.

549
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: It definitely died during the Stanley Cup playoffs. The question

550
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Speaker 1: is was it in the final or in the game

551
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Speaker 1: pre stating the final. I'm sure Ryan, all the controvers

552
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Speaker 1: will fact checking. Ryan sending you to his dad at

553
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Speaker 1: this point, check out my dad and keep your pants on, dude.

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Speaker 1: That well, okay, so that's from a story that that

555
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Speaker 1: was told before we were taping. But Ryan, you did

556
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Speaker 1: write a beautiful, bitter sweet piece for fire Pit Collective

557
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Speaker 1: dot com this week about your your father's ongoing battle

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Speaker 1: with dementia, which is very heart wrenching and all of

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Speaker 1: us can relate. But on that basis, let me just

560
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Speaker 1: explain my joke without being too graphic. Dad whom I met,

561
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: who's a great guy, and by the way, it looks

562
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Speaker 1: so fit, he's gonna go another thirty years. Uh if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to move, He's come up with a

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00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: very effective way of like back off, nobody's gonna get

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00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna move this guy away from where he wants

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Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah. Yeah, my dad was having a bad

567
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Speaker 1: day and uh, when he has a bad day, we

568
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Speaker 1: often take him to my house just to like take

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Speaker 1: the stress off my mother. And he's like, I don't

570
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Speaker 1: want to go, and uh said, well we have to go,

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Speaker 1: And he pulled down his pants, underwear and everything, and

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Speaker 1: it was highly effective. I mean it was a highly

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Speaker 1: effective way to not move anywhere. So I mean, well done, dad. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know, we'll we'll save this for

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: another time. But Ryan and his dad had a tradition.

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Speaker 1: When Ryan was much younger, they would go as as

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Speaker 1: many families going camping trips, they would go on caddy

578
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: camping trips and Uh, they would pitch tent and caddy

579
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Speaker 1: and low level events and and a lot of what

580
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Brian does today professionally writing about dreamers in the game

581
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: and Monday qualifiers and the rest come from his experiences,

582
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: uh with these caddy camping trips with his dad. But

583
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: let's say that for another time, if that's okay. Yeah. Well,

584
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: and Ryan's written about that beautifully, which is also on

585
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: our website. Um his origin story when the early days

586
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: of the fire pit. Um, well, so I want to

587
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: ask about this Ryan, since it's ostensibly as a golf podcast,

588
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: we've gotten very far afield, which is fine. That's part

589
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: of the charm of these these fire drills. But um,

590
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: I missed it when it came out. But I just

591
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: I have floating on PGA tour dot com. I'm not

592
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: sure why. And this announcement about the the expanded pathway

593
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: the Japan Tour top three finishers are now going to

594
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Speaker 1: be exempt onto the euro Tour, and then the top

595
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: ten finishers on the euro Tour as we know, are

596
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: going to be exempt on the PGA Tour. And so

597
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: there is this they have formalized this, um, this new

598
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: way to reach the PGA Tour. Do you think there's

599
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: there's any any grinders in your orbit? Will be like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna go play Japan. I'm gonna

601
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: finish top three. I'm gonna go play Europe. I'm gonna

602
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: finish top ten, And that's the easiest way to get

603
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: tour card. Like is that is that a viable route? Yeah?

604
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, um more and more guys have gone to

605
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: Japan Tour Q school even before this announcement. Um hm.

606
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: So if you're a pro golfer in the grinder mode

607
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: and you don't have status, math doesn't doesn't ever add up,

608
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: or you would never be at a bundant qualifier right

609
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't. Like reality is you're probably not

610
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: going to get through. So yes percent, there will be

611
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Speaker 1: players like the odds of you going to Japan, playing

612
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Speaker 1: in a country you don't know very well, finishing top three,

613
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Speaker 1: then going to Europe a country you don't know, but

614
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: a hundred percent will be a ton of players that

615
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: do it, and they'll that will be the carrot that

616
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Speaker 1: put you know, makes them go like, oh Japan, I

617
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: would have never gone before, but now I can get

618
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: to the European Tour and so there I go, and

619
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Speaker 1: I I always wonder is a lot of the guys

620
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Speaker 1: who go to Japan. Uh, A lot of Australians go there. Uh.

621
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Speaker 1: Brian Watts is probably the most famous American that absolutely

622
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: dominated in Japan for a long time. Uh. They didn't

623
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: want to leave. So I would be really interesting to

624
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Speaker 1: see what the three like. It's a relatively short schedule,

625
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, It's like, yeah, it's very good money. It's

626
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: obviously a smaller country, so travel isn't difficult. Uh, you know,

627
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of good things going for the

628
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Japan tour. A lot of guys who go there don't

629
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: want to leave. They were just very content playing twenty

630
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: times a year in a very small country for good

631
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Speaker 1: money and going home. The foreign the foreign players that

632
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: go over there and that and that's it. So I

633
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: remember um our colleague Tom Verducci at Sports Illustrade went

634
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Speaker 1: over and did a Brian Watts feature. He was already

635
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: in Japan for you know. Verducci of course is on

636
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushmore of baseball writers, and he was doing

637
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: a baseball story. But it was like, hey, if you're there,

638
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: this is the early days of golf. Plus I think

639
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Speaker 1: it was it could have been, but um, and so

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00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: he did. He did this story on Brian Wats, who

641
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: he had had tremendous success over there, and but I

642
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: might take away and I haven't read the story now

643
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: in a quarter century, but it seemed like a very

644
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of lonely life like he he did not integrate

645
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: into the tour at all. He was playing golf and

646
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: he's in his hotel room and didn't learn the language,

647
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: didn't eat the food, was you know, subsisting on McDonald's

648
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: or whatever else you could get. And um, so that's

649
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: an underrated aspect. Like you know, golf, golf talent travels.

650
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: We know that. But there's plenty of guys who didn't

651
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: feel comfortable in the US, whether it was saving by

652
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: a stereos or on Hell Cabrera or you know many others,

653
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: and they didn't play their best over here. And it

654
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: flows both ways. Just because you're really talented American golfer.

655
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Not only there's the cultural stuff. There's the golf courses

656
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: are different over there, the grasses are different, like all

657
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: of it. So I've done stats on Brian Watts because

658
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: I think I've told Michael this story is one of

659
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: my moments of like how good pro golfers are. I

660
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: was in high school and Brian Watts was behind this

661
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: tree at the Bwick Open and Flint and my dad

662
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: and I were standing behind him. Obviously no one knew

663
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: who Brian Watts was, so there's no fans around and

664
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Speaker 1: there's like a low hanging tree in front of him,

665
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, is he gonna hook it?

666
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Is he gonna slice it? And no, he just hit

667
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Speaker 1: a stinger right under it and like ran it up,

668
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, on the front of the green. And I

669
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's very you know, these guys are

670
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: different breed. Okay, here's my set that I tweeted in

671
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: October two. Anytime I'm on the Japan Tour site reminds

672
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: me of American Brian Watt's career there from nine to

673
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: he had twelve wins, twelve runner ups and sixty three

674
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: top tens in just a hundred and twenty four events.

675
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: Tiger ask, yeah it is, and it was and he was.

676
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: And he lost cent a playoff in a British Open. Yeah, yeah,

677
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: he made that. He made a great run. I'm guessing

678
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: that's when Verguici wrote about could have been yeah, I

679
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: have to look that up, but it was and that's

680
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: where he came and when he came back here and

681
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: he did okay here, I mean, never did anything great,

682
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: but kept his card a few times for sure. You know.

683
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: You know who else in that same vein Todd Hamilton

684
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: played overseas for years. Uh yeah, I mean he was

685
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: another one, John Garty. He U still love writing about

686
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: about Scott Dullop. I mean, but of course I would,

687
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: and you would know better, Ryan. I mean, I'm sure

688
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: the competition and the depth is has gotten um is,

689
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: it has certainly become um more real and and and

690
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: more cutthroat on on every tour. So of course it's

691
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen in Japan. But I do remember there was

692
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: sort of these protectionists rules. It was hard in those

693
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: days in the nineties to get on the Japan tour

694
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: if you were not Japanese. How how much has it

695
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: opened up since? I mean not a ton. I think

696
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: there are still rules in place that only X amount

697
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: of foreign players can be in a field at a time.

698
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I'll have to confirm that. But for a long time

699
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: there was only like X amount of players that that

700
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: could be outside of Japan. So Um, yeah, I mean

701
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot of players don't get from from that standpoint.

702
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: Chan Kim was an All American at at Arizona State,

703
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: has won a bunch on the Japan Tour and got

704
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: through Q School this year. He was like top hunter

705
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: player in the world. I think he had like a

706
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: top twenty five and the p G A even last year.

707
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: And uh have got as corn ferry stuff. So it's

708
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: always it's always interesting to see like he's obviously does

709
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: very well on the Japan tour. Will be interesting to

710
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: see what he does on the corn Ferry tour. And

711
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: I love smokers and chain Kim is a legendary smoker.

712
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: That dude sucks down the vape pen. I mean sucks

713
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: it down. Well, there's a like a communal aspect, like

714
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: the smokers, like they stick together. They're always looking for

715
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: a freaking match or a lighter. It just seems like

716
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: there's more of a hang. But so it's interesting. I

717
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: have I have teenage kids, and um, you know, the

718
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: vape pens are everywhere and I'm always lecturing them and um,

719
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: one thing one thing I've picked up from them is

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: they would never know in their age would ever smoke

721
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: a cigarette. They're appalled by the idea of cigarettes, like

722
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: they're dirty, they taste bad, your hair smells like the

723
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: vade pens are one thing which I don't support. I'd

724
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: like to go on record with that. But the um

725
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: like America's youth is not down for cigarettes. They're just

726
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: like UM. So I guess that's progress, right, I mean,

727
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: as I understand it, it's the it's the actual it's

728
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: the smoking that causes the cancer. The v pens reduce

729
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: that drastically, So maybe this is some sort of progress,

730
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: But that one's getting hooked on the apens, I don't know.

731
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: I think if you, as Rory mclroy, what's the most

732
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: significant development in his life, and let's say the past

733
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: ten years, I'm sure he would cite his marriage and

734
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: the birth of his his daughter, you know, first and second.

735
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: But I would guess, I don't know this, but I

736
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: would guess he would cite third as uh he would

737
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: cite as third his father's decision to quit smoking. His

738
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: father was a barman, and you know, like a lot

739
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: of bar people in all countries, but especially in uh

740
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: In in Ireland and Northern Ireland, uh was was a

741
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: heavy smoker and uh he looks great. Jerry McRoy. Uh,

742
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: and I know, well, we've talked about Jerry and I've

743
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit about what improvement in his life.

744
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: The other day I was laughed out of the room,

745
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: and we're talking about to societal developments, you know, in

746
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: our lifetime. I once asked my father in law, what

747
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: what what's the greatest invention of of your lifetime? He

748
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: was he was witty in a dryway, and he said, uh,

749
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: the automatic garage door opener. Great, great answer. But I

750
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: would say, you know it's over any flight, Uh you know, now, well, yeah,

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember this, but of

752
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: course there used to be smoking sections and planes, and

753
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: it was a joke because it's not like there was

754
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: a partition. Smoke just moved all over the your clothes,

755
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: just especially at an overseas flight. You know, you're on

756
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: the plane for eight hours, you just stank by the

757
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: time you came off. So anyway, I say so, in

758
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: the tradition of my my father in law and his

759
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: overhead garaged opener, I sighted a smoke free plane travel

760
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: and I was laughed out of the room. But okay, quickly,

761
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: be I I like people are leaving Alan's house at

762
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: this point, so maybe it's time to wrap up, but

763
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: uh quickly. Next week I will be playing On Friday,

764
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: I will be playing Shadow Creek, the very exclusive and

765
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: cool nice Shadow Creek. Uh and uh, thank you Mark

766
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: Baldwin for getting a sponsorship that you now have to

767
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: give your friends because you have credit and you can't

768
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: use it all Ryan. Is it actually exclusive or is

769
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: it more of the case of if you pay enough

770
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: money at you know, one of the casinos, you can

771
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: get on it. Yeah, probably that it's the latter, but

772
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: still cool. That'll be a cool experience. I've I've never

773
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: played Shadow Creek. I mean, it's it's so man made.

774
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's I was there for Match one. Have

775
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: you been on I've never been on the grounds. I've

776
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: seen all the pot It's a good golf course. It's

777
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, that's a shocker to admit. Is

778
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: But if you didn't know where you were and you

779
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: just saw the golfers, wow, this place is pretty good. Yeah. Um, well,

780
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, Arnold Palmer never won a major after he

781
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: quit smoking, so um, I think we should just just

782
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: for just for our friends in the in the industry,

783
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: we should offer a little balance this conversation. I'm kidding,

784
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: I kind of know what Ryan's talking about it because

785
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: definitely one of the cool sites from one of Cronshaw's

786
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: wins at Augusta's. I think he's going down ten and

787
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: and he's cutting the cigarette the cuff, yeah, like nobody

788
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: can see him, I know, the cuff, and we see

789
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: the smoke coming up out of your hand. I always

790
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: wonder if anyone any golf forever like end of their

791
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: career by singing their fingers trying to cut a cigarette,

792
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: like it's so ridiculous. Of course, back by today they

793
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: would the caddies would put the cigarette up to see

794
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: which way the wind was buying. Yeah, there you go.

795
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that's old. Yeah. Back to back to Tan Kim.

796
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: He does the same thing. He holds his vapepen, you know,

797
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: like this, and then takes it away and then this

798
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: all I know about vpens is it produces a massive

799
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: out of smoke blowing out, and it's like he just

800
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: blows this humongous cloud out and you're like, hey, Chan,

801
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: you might as well just like you don't have to

802
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: hide the vape pen because it's kind of your cover's blown.

803
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: After you does he do that? What tourists? Does you

804
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: do that? On any two? I I the first time

805
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: I saw him, and I had heard about it, But

806
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: the first time I saw him was at a Monday qualifier.

807
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: Uh for the way, can you do can you? Can

808
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: you smoke a vapen on aug in a PUGA tour event? Then?

809
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean he was I don't know, sorry, chance if

810
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: you're getting suspended for them, I don't think smoke is

811
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: the right verb. Michael. I think you could hit the

812
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: vape pen. Yeah, thank that's what the kids say. That's

813
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: what the kids say. I'm just I'm just trying to help.

814
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: If you're trying to light the vape pen the plastical mels,

815
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: it'll be a mess. It's cartridges. It's cartridges. If you

816
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: believe that. Yeah, sure, it's killing everyone. The fire Girl

817
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: podcast sponsored by jewel Um. But as we all in

818
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: our vapepen. But I think it's time to add this podcast.

819
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: But speaking Ryan's family, here's some really good reading and

820
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not It's called Notes from the North Country and

821
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: the writer is Obi Eustace. Obi Eustace is Ryan's maternal grandfather.

822
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I don't know if the camera

823
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: will pick up on this and move it to your right.

824
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: There there it is. There's yeah, oh my god, that's

825
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: actually this. Obi Eustace is like, you know, thorough meets

826
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: eb White. I mean it's really clean, tight, no profanity. Uh.

827
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: The writing gene is the writing gene. You oh gotta

828
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: add one thing. And then Ryan had an an aunt.

829
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: His Obi Eustace is dodger and she could write her

830
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: bottom off if I might use that word. Um anyway,

831
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: all right, well this has been a fire drill podcast

832
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: like few others, but admittedly it was a slow weekend golf.

833
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll come back. Well next week we'll have the

834
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: father son and more tire and Charlie and everything else

835
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: to um to kick around. And I actually like the

836
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: fathers son. Beyond that aspect, it's cool to see all

837
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: these kids, you know, and how much it means them.

838
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: Like I was, I was talking to Stuart Sink and

839
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: he's treating he's playing with his son and they're treating

840
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: it like the fifth major man. It means a lot

841
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: to them. I think it's really cute and um. So

842
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: that that's a good one. But maybe we'll have we'll

843
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: do something thematic for our The ensuing weeks will be

844
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: the last fire drill of the year, but until then,

845
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: the listeners are gonna have to go on this journey

846
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: with us to the unexpected places this podcast goes. Yeah,

847
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: that was great. I mean, you know, I love derailments.

848
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I love deraimants, and this was full blown derailment. Outside

849
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: of the first eight minutes, I don't think we talked

850
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: about golf, and it's great and I love it. I

851
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: love to listen to you guys, and uh, that was one.

852
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: I love this one last story before we go because

853
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Michael and I we both loved the movies and UM

854
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: and we were at let's see we're in Milwaukee, so

855
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: it was one of the PG championships at Whistling Straits

856
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and Straight out of Compton had just opened and I

857
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: was like, we gotta go see this on the big screen.

858
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: And we went and in downtown Milwaukee. It was an

859
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: amazing crowd. The energy was phenomenal. UM and we Uh,

860
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: that's one of the more memorable visits to the cinema

861
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: we've had, but there's there's been a bunch of them.

862
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I was really struck by how good the music was,

863
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: and that's music that I had heard a lot, as

864
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: people do, just you know, in an ambient kind of

865
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: way in a car or whatever, and it never made

866
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: an impression on me. And in that setting, as you

867
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: were saying, the energy of the audience, uh, and a

868
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: lot of things going going on, the tenor of the times,

869
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: but the music really made a powerful impact on me.

870
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you. You know. I know Ryan's got

871
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: a thing going about virtual golf and is that is

872
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: that the phrase, right, not virtual golf, but as I say, yeah, yeah,

873
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: and you know, possibly qualifying for a corn ferry event

874
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: for via virtual golfing whatever, there is nothing like experience

875
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: of seeing Tiger Woods in person. If anybody can, I

876
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: would suggest they do it while they can, any any

877
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: elite golfer to see what they do with the golf ball.

878
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Just like Ryan was talking about before about Brian Watts

879
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: under over, how about through you know, see Li've golf

880
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: if you can. And of course there's nothing like going

881
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: to a movie there absolutely nothing. Okay, just on the

882
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: side and Michael, as Michael would say, may if I may, Ellen, uh,

883
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: if I may, uh, gentleman as a colleague, but mostly

884
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: as a fan. Can you just write the story of

885
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: going to see Straight out of Compton, because obviously there's

886
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: more to it, and there's a lot of layers, and

887
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: I can I sense that there was a ton going on.

888
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: So can you like just get together, get your memory

889
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: race together and write like a quick, feel like two

890
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: thousand words story on it, because it sounds amazing there was.

891
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: I will say this, like if you remember in the movie,

892
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it, Ryan, I don't

893
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: how many of our listeners have seen it, but of

894
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: course n w ay have. They have the song fu

895
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: the police and they get letters from the FBI and

896
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: UM and all this stuff, and they go to play

897
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: a concert I believe it's in Philadelphia actually, Michael, and

898
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: before the concert, um, there's all these old white police

899
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: officers and their lecturing all all these dudes in the band, saying,

900
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: if you know, if if you play that song, we're

901
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: gonna arrest you. And it's very sort of in some

902
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: ways the climactic moment of the movie. So it's mid

903
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: concert and and dre and Easier looking at each other

904
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: and they're just looking at each other like they're just

905
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: looking at like should we and just at the moment

906
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: like builds and build should we? Should we? I don't know?

907
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: Should we? And then and they just launch into the

908
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: song and I find that extremely inspiring and it probably

909
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: informs my own you know, yeah, I mean I again,

910
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: like I want to know everything, like to Jewish gentlemen

911
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: walking into a straight out accountant. I mean, it was

912
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: a dometown of Milwaukee. I need to know everything about it.

913
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: And we could do a podcast on just that, just that. No,

914
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: but I think about that little moment, and of course

915
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: it's stylized and who knows if it actually happened in reality,

916
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: but that moment the movie, like, you know, because you

917
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: get to these forks on the road as writers, and

918
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: even like the Michelson excerpt from my book that like

919
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: touched off all kinds of stuff because you know, we're

920
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: a startup, we were not a giant operation. I had

921
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to press the published button on that story and I

922
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: literally hovered the cursor over that for a minute, not

923
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: a minute, ten seconds, and I was like, I, you know,

924
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna get as crazy as

925
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: it got, but I knew as soon as that story

926
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: went live that things were gonna start happening. And I

927
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, boom, no question, and it was like

928
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: like it was that in a micro caused him like

929
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: it was that moment. So, um, I think about that

930
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that movie that's seen a lot. So it's really neat. Okay,

931
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't. You're going to change yeah, yeah, okay,

932
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: Well we've tried to end this podcast like seven times.

933
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: I think we should actually end it. The listeners are

934
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna learn to dread that phrase. They're probably sitting in

935
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: a parking lot somewhere. They have something to do, but

936
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to get in the podcast, if I know. Anyway,

937
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: especially if they have that thing like I have, Like

938
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: if there's a good song on you get to your destination,

939
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: you can't. You cannot leave the car until the song.

940
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: I had it just last night. You can't leave the

941
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: car until the song is completed. So if they're listening

942
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: to the pod and they like it in the car,

943
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you can't. Of course, of these days, people just go

944
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: from one device to another, so it's not so difficult.

945
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: I guess I'm dating myself. But anyway, that's to thank

946
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: you for sharing that, Alan, that was very interesting. This

947
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: is Alan Schipnik. That was Michael Bamber and Ryan f

948
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: This was a fire drill. We do them every Sunday.

949
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. We do appreciate your your fidelity,

950
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: and your indulgence. We will be back at it next week.

951
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: We have the father's son and various other things to

952
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: talk about, so until then, thanks for listening. A bit

953
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Big played to win, made a fortune within my ship game,

954
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: and I run the table, never thought I could fall.

955
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: Then the winter time hit me like a cannon ball,

956
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and now I can't shake this losing the stream. Every

957
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: road I take is a dead end stream. I got

958
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: thoughts in my head. Can't get trying not to think

959
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about about in my head, can't get

960
00:51:52,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: him out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: o