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Speaker 1: young and hungry and young vets, guys who are on

429
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Speaker 1: one year deals, Guys who are on one year deals

430
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,360
Speaker 1: last year who then earned it right and then got

431
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: paid and so it it seems like it's just fun

432
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: to be a part of something like that when you're

433
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 1: building towards something with young guys who have a common

434
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of objective and goal and really seem to mesh. Yeah. Well,

435
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: I think it's it's well want. It's a testament to

436
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: what Brad and Dan are able to do, and that

437
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: Lion's ownership acknowledge that. I think they understand they're all

438
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 1: speaking the same language and they have a plan in

439
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 1: place that this is not going to be a quick fix.

440
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: We're going to build it correctly. And very rarely do

441
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: you see a team. I mean, I hit about half

442
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 1: the camps around the league. I've never seen a roster

443
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: that you've got forty guys. Forty guys that are either

444
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 1: a rookie or a second year player. So they're building young,

445
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: they're building it right with the right guys, and I

446
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: think that's really where they're all on the same page

447
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: and they'll have the time to do it. One guy,

448
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker is the only guy in this roster over

449
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: twenty nine years old. Dan Campbell. I know you sat

450
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Speaker 1: down with him today, I know you talked to him before,

451
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: but just your impressions of Dan and where he's at

452
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: in the year two of this Yeah, I think well,

453
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 1: last year, you know, it's like anything else. When he

454
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: took over play calling, that was and he came on

455
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: the air with us un serious. He said, that was

456
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: a growing experience for me. You know, it's the first

457
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: time he had done it. But I don't think it

458
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: should shock anybody of how they finished because they finished

459
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Speaker 1: strong as as a team. You know, he figured it out,

460
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: The team was figuring out. They continued to work through

461
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: these things, and you know, you just go back in

462
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 1: Miami when he was the interim head coach there. Honestly,

463
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: they kind of messed up. They should have kept Dan

464
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: as the head coach. Yeah, they really should have. And

465
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: that was just a precursor or a warm up phase

466
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Speaker 1: for Dan to be ready for this opportunity here in Detroit.

467
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: I do think they got the right guy. And again,

468
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 1: Dan's a hard nosed coach and some guys don't respond

469
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: to that type of coaching. But these players do. Yeah,

470
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: these players do, and they want to be a part

471
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Speaker 1: of what Dan and his style of coach. And you're

472
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Speaker 1: a former player to Dan's not going to ask anything

473
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Speaker 1: of these guys that he won, hasn't been through before,

474
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: hasn't been asked to trust to himself. They trust him, right,

475
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: He was on that side of it, and a lot

476
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Speaker 1: of his staff was too, right, Aaron Glenn and a

477
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: lot of these guys were players. And so you know,

478
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Speaker 1: one thing I'm really curious is when I want to

479
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Speaker 1: flip to quarterback. Well, actually, let's go here. You were

480
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: talking about how they played last year when you were

481
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Speaker 1: on teams and you saw young guys and how they

482
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Speaker 1: developed throughout the year. The one thing I noticed last

483
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: year was some of these young guys weren't making the

484
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Speaker 1: same mistake they were at the end of the year, right,

485
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: there was tangible visual evidence of these guys getting better.

486
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: And that is a great sign of coaching to me,

487
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Speaker 1: of guys buying in. Like you said, isn't that a

488
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Speaker 1: great compliment to Dan that we saw the development of

489
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Speaker 1: some of these younger guys that really turned into guys

490
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: maybe who were making mistakes early on, but by the

491
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Speaker 1: end of the year they had kind of figured out

492
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Speaker 1: and we're big parts of them winning three, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: going three, going three, two and one. Last say, well,

494
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Speaker 1: I think in all along you're you're developing young players too.

495
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Speaker 1: Like you said, they're gonna make their sure mistakes. It's

496
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Speaker 1: only natural, you know. But Amunro Saint Brown and how

497
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: he came on strong towards the end of the year,

498
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: how the running game started to come together with DeAndre

499
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Speaker 1: Swift and how well they were running the ball. Because

500
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Speaker 1: you're you're dealing with all these variables, no, Frank Rag,

501
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Speaker 1: Now you got guys in and out of the lineup,

502
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: Penny Sools going from left to right. I mean, you're

503
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Speaker 1: dealing with all these variables. But they're continuing to work.

504
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, there are no excuses, and they're they're ascending.

505
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Speaker 1: And I kind of relate it for Dan and think

506
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: of the first year Ron Rivera was there at Carolina.

507
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: They were terrible. They were terrible, but they finished the

508
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: season strong. It was the building block and laid that

509
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Speaker 1: foundation for the following year where they started their ascensions

510
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: as a team. So I do think the players are responding.

511
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Speaker 1: You know, they're still even with these young players, whether

512
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: it's Aidana Hutchinson or the other young players that they

513
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: drafted this year, there there's going to be a learning

514
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: curve there. But the patience is here because these guys

515
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: do understand that, yeah, you know, you made that mistake,

516
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: you correct the mistake, you move on, and hopefully, like

517
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: you said, you're not the moment you start having problems

518
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Speaker 1: where players are making the same mistake. That's an issue,

519
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: but they're receiving the coaching and applying it and that's

520
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: that's really the positive sign. All Right, we got to

521
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Speaker 1: talk quarterbacks obviously with you. So Jared Golf is obviously

522
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: won in this league. He's been a Pro Bowl player.

523
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Speaker 1: He took the Rams to the Super Bowl in twenty eighteen.

524
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Speaker 1: He's had success in this league and obviously started slow

525
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: last year, but you saw the second half of the year,

526
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: the sixth best passer rating the second half of the season,

527
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns, two interceptions, passer rating over one. Dan Campbell

528
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: took over those play calling and Ben Johnson was elevated

529
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Speaker 1: the past game coordinator. The hope here is that he

530
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Speaker 1: kind of picks up rate where he left off. I'm

531
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Speaker 1: just curious your impressions of Jared Golf and you know

532
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: how this offense can evolve and be with him at

533
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: the helm. Yeah, I think all that again was the

534
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: foundation leading into this spring and now through the camp

535
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: they're much further along than what they were. Yeah, they've

536
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: got all the pieces to the puzzle. On offense. This

537
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: is a top five offensive line. It's incredible. They're definitely

538
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: a top five offensive line in the NFL. Those pieces

539
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: around him are good players, and Jared has already proven

540
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: he can guide team to a guided team to a

541
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Speaker 1: super Bowl when he has those players around him. You know,

542
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: you go back to that Super Bowl against New England,

543
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: he's two throws away from being a world champion. Yeah,

544
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: he was very young in his career. He was probably

545
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: late that where I believe with Jason mccordy reacted on

546
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: and was able to bat down that pass and then

547
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: the one in the front pylon of the end zone

548
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: that Jared was a little late on his rows. He's

549
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: experienced now. He knows he can win. This team knows

550
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: they can win with him, and he's kind of been

551
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: there and done that before. And I think again it

552
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: proves it because Brad didn't bring in anybody else and

553
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: he didn't draft anybody else. This is the year for

554
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Speaker 1: Jared golf and he's had success when he's had those

555
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Speaker 1: pieces around him. Is he the most mobile, No. Does

556
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: he have the most strongest arm. No, But that's true

557
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: of a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL, And you

558
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 1: can win quarterbacks in the NFL's true, But it's about

559
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: timing rhythm, how you throw, decision making. He's tough, you know,

560
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: and they believe in him, you know. And I think

561
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: you said the proof was in the pudding towards the

562
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Speaker 1: end of last year and why they feel they can

563
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Speaker 1: win with Jared Gold How much of impact can it

564
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Speaker 1: be with Ben Johnson kind of giving Jared ownership of

565
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Speaker 1: this offense. Now, you know, they watched a lot of film,

566
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: they kind of look back to some of the things

567
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: he really liked to do with the rams. They've implemented

568
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: it here. Now. Obviously Ben's got some of the things

569
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: that he wants just to be in his offense. But

570
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: how much of that is a benefit to Jared that

571
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: he's kind of taken ownership and they've kind of built

572
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: this thing around things that he really likes to do well?

573
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Speaker 1: It is. It's important to touch on things of what

574
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Speaker 1: a quarterback feels comfortable with, you know. Again, it's also

575
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: important to know what he's not comfortable with. You know,

576
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to call plays that a quarterback doesn't

577
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: have confidence. And it's funny. I was just in Buffalo

578
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: and they're going through an issue with with Ken Dorsey. Obviously,

579
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Brian Dable gets the head job and Ken Dorsey takes

580
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: over as EOC and and that's what Josh said too.

581
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, yeah, he goes, I feel comfortable

582
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: and he's going to emphasize the things I like, but

583
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: he knows not to what not to call, yeah, because

584
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Speaker 1: there are certain situations like where Jared's going to be

585
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: saying it's a third medium, where a team maybe on

586
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: their third medium as a high blitz team. Hey man,

587
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I do not want these plays called in that situation

588
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: because you want to stay away from that because you

589
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: know the stuff that he's comfortable with to attack any

590
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: blitz that they're bringing. You want to have a higher

591
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: level of success in order to achieve it, to get

592
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: the first down. And that's more than anything. Jared's run

593
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: pretty much every play that has been called in the NFL.

594
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: And it was interesting when I was talking to him today,

595
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, you know, I asked him, what

596
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: do you feel you want to get better at? And

597
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: for him, it's the backside checkdowns, you know. If sometimes

598
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: he said, hey, I'll hang on the front side play

599
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: a little bit too long now, I just want to

600
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: get back to my third read. Check it down a

601
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: little bit quicker where you can make a positive play

602
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: and not really we call begging a play to a

603
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: player to be open or a play to work out.

604
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes hey man, just cut your losses, move on.

605
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Always make it a positive play, take the check down,

606
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: and you'll live to play another down. And I think

607
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that is always great stuff to hear as

608
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback as they continue to grow. And he's seven

609
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: years in the league and he's already been to a

610
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: super Bowl, he's been to the playoffs, and you know,

611
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: so he knows what it takes to get there, But

612
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: how do I get better? So when I get there again,

613
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I'll have more success. And the lines are obviously very

614
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: confident that Jared can take them where they want to go. Absolutely,

615
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback job here with Tim Boyle and David

616
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: blou just you've been a starter, you've been a backup.

617
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: What do you look for what's important to have in

618
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback? Well, for me, like when I got

619
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: in the league, I was behind Mike tom Zack and

620
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: obviously Neil O'Donnell, and back then it was it was

621
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Speaker 1: kind of different because you you were kind of drafted

622
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: in the mold. Neil is a big, strong, physical, strong

623
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Speaker 1: armed quarterback. And that's kind of what I was coming

624
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: out of Michigan State. So they wanted the offense to

625
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: stay the same, you know, is what the So I

626
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: would look at Neil and I'd want to emulate it,

627
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 1: emulate how he called plays, how he dealt with the guys,

628
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: how the coaches looked at situational play, because if I

629
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: were to ever get in a game, I didn't want

630
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: those players to have something so far different, you know,

631
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: of what I do and how the offense was structured.

632
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: So I had great I had great role models, I

633
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: should say to fall. Both Neil and Mike had played

634
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: a lot of football and brought me along very very

635
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: quickly and in terms of how to play, what to do,

636
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: how to command, to huddle, all those things. And George

637
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: Pearlos gave me a lot of that at Michigan State.

638
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: But it really was helpful having savvy veterans ahead of me.

639
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: So I was very I was very how do you say,

640
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: groomed pretty quickly with veteran guys. So I think that's

641
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: a great point by you two. Is because you don't

642
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: want the offense to have to change, right, You don't

643
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: want to have something happens that Jared, you don't want

644
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: to dump down your offense. You don't want to have

645
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: to change the fundamentals or what you do some of

646
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: the places you really like. I think that's important. Well,

647
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, look at say look at the situation

648
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: in New England and why they you know, they drafted

649
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: Matt Jones, you know, but the year before, the offense

650
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: under Cam Newton was far different than what they run

651
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: with with Mac. Jones are just two different guys and

652
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: Bill ended up wanting to go back to more the

653
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: Brady style offense and low behold they end up releasing

654
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: in Cam and it was just structured so much different.

655
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: But when Cam was there, they geared the plays towards

656
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. What Cam was comfortable with, what

657
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: he can what he can't do. And I think you

658
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: do that for every quarterback. But you know that, you

659
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: know you want it, you want similarities so that the

660
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: guys up front, the plays that are being called they're

661
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: not so drastically different, because you ultimately you have to

662
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: hang your hat on something. Yeah, you know, whether it's

663
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: your run game, your play action game, your pocket game.

664
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Speaker 1: In terms of how you pass, you want it structured

665
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: a certain way where there will be carryover no matter

666
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: who's lining up underneath center. All right, I got two

667
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: more for you real quick, Jim. They have added some

668
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: vertical threats to the outside DJHR Jamison Williams. We'll see

669
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: when Jamison Williams gets back on the field. But just

670
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: what does that mean for an offense when you can

671
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: stretch the field vertically, when you can make plays outside

672
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: the numbers, when you have that threat, How important is

673
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: that for a quarter back, for an offense to have

674
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: that kind those kinds of weapons on the album? Yeah,

675
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: it does. It does soften up a defense, you know.

676
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: I think corners wolf fear the outside game with the

677
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: speed that the Lions are bringing to the table, and

678
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: so it's going to open up a lot of things underneath.

679
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: You know. It's going to open up Hockinson for for

680
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the stuff that he wants to do work in the

681
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and he's verstile enough where you

682
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: can split him out as well the underneath stuff for swift,

683
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, so find you clear it out with Hockinson

684
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: and Williams say on two go routes and all of

685
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: a sudden swifts coming on an angle because those guys

686
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: are respecting the speed of those guys on the outside.

687
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: So it is true. And it sounds cliche when you

688
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: say take the top off the defense, but it's it's

689
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: opening up things underneath where maybe you'll have those same

690
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: verticals as I mentioned. Then lo and behold, you've got

691
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: your backside X route running a shallow cross and you

692
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: just got those clear lanes for run after the catch.

693
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: And though they will be feared because these are big

694
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: play receivers that do have speed in corners, will be

695
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: aware of it. Double move stuff, all that stuff that

696
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: that golf's already very good at throwing are on the

697
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: table for the Lions. All right. I want to end

698
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: with this three thirteen and one in the first year

699
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: of the brad Dan Campbell obviously you know, not good enough,

700
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: but but you knew where they were headed. They looked

701
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: better at the end of the year. They were building something.

702
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm just curious from your perspective. You live here locally,

703
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: but you cover the league nationally. Your expectations for this

704
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: Lion's football team in year two? Yeah, I think that well,

705
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be in the mix because

706
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: they were in game close games last year, Now, can

707
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: they finish offensively? I think they can finish. We'll see

708
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: where the pass rush comes. But those games that maybe

709
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: they were they lost by a field goal or four points,

710
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: they'll be in it to win it this year. So

711
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: I think expectation wise, yeah, I mean, I think if

712
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: you're if you're looking at say an eight and nine season,

713
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: you're making strides or even potentially a nine and eight season,

714
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I think you'd view that as a success because I

715
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: think those close games, they'll have more grit to come

716
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: out and win it over their opponents. And again, they're

717
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: a young team. They're going to compete from that standpoint,

718
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: and you know they're going to throw caution to the win.

719
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: That's what I loved about Dan last year is that

720
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: they were going for things that you know, those players

721
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: were competing and I just think that the messaging of

722
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: the coach set up for this year. And what do

723
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean by that. I go to the game. It

724
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: was the way game it was in Green Bay. Granted,

725
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: they went forward on a fourth down early and missed

726
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it and that kind of backfired. But a couple of

727
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: players I don't I don't want to name the player,

728
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: but he didn't give the effort that was required, and

729
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: lo and behold, the next day he was up for

730
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: it to be traded, and ultimately two days later, the

731
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: player was released by the Detroit Lions. And the messaging

732
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: towards the player is this is unacceptable. This type of

733
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: effort is not going to fly here anymore. And so

734
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I think the messaging really the players responded to it

735
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: because I think they knew what the standard was and

736
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: from then on, I think that that's when the team

737
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: really started to take off of what is expected and

738
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: what's going to be the standard, and again players bought

739
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: into it. Players want to resign here, and I think

740
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: it's realistic for this team to some of those close

741
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: games that they lost. I think they'll come out winners

742
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: this year here in twenty twenty two, eight nine wins.

743
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: That means meaningful games in the month in December. I

744
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: think that's all Lions fans can ask for, right, playing

745
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: in those meaningful games at the end, be in that

746
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: playoff picture, and make it fun at the end of

747
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah. A good example would be the Atlanta

748
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Falcons last year. Yeah, they had a veteran quarterback in

749
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, but they're going younger, all right, they were

750
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: in meaningful games in December. We'll see where it goes

751
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: this year with Arthur Smith. They've got a new quarterback.

752
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: But with golf you can win those meaningful games. He

753
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: is Jim Miller. That was great stuff and we will

754
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: be back for fan questions after this. Jim, thanks so

755
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: much us great stuff, Thanks for having me. Welcome back

756
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: to the twenty Men in the Huddle podcast. Now I

757
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: am joined by p J. Clark. He is not only

758
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: the producer of the twenty Men in the Huddle podcast,

759
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: but he does everything at social media on the website,

760
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: does a great job with with basically everything. He's kind

761
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: of one of those jack of all trades for Detroit

762
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: Lions dot com. Okay, that and he knows a little

763
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: bit about football too, which is why I invite him

764
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: on here. And as promise, we are going to do

765
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: kind of a question and answer portion, um, you know,

766
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: for the second segment of this podcast. Look, Peach, we've

767
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: gotten a week of practice, right, We've gotten two padded practices,

768
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: which I love because that's where you really football close.

769
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. What does Dan Campbell called the

770
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Pajama Olympics? When they're out there in short jama party.

771
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: The pajama party. Yeah, so um, that's football. That's when

772
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: you get to see contact and stuff like that. So

773
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: that starts to tell me a lot. So look, I

774
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: posed the questions on Twitter, you collected them all, got

775
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: all the good ones, and so let's just kind of

776
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: rifle through these a little bit and we'll let you

777
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: guys kind of you don't know what you wanted to know.

778
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: So first question, quintest Fast went down yesterday with a

779
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: leg injury after making it another nice catch in one

780
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: on one, beautiful catch against Jeff. A couple of people

781
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: asking for an update on him. Okay, well the good

782
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: it's good. Now. It didn't look good yesterday. You know,

783
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: he was down on the field. It was a long

784
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: passed down the right sideline and kind of a back

785
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: shoulder type deal. And he came back and Jeff came

786
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: back and they both kind of went for the ball

787
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: and Quintes came up with it and went to the

788
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: ground and Jeff popped up and Quintes didn't. And you

789
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: know you're always that maybe got his wind knocked out

790
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: of him and then he reached for that kind of

791
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: left leg peege and it didn't look good and he

792
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: was down for a while. They had to move the

793
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: drill and he didn't put a lot of weight on

794
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: that leg, and you were fearing the worst. But the

795
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: update from Dan Campbell this warning was that it doesn't

796
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: look serious, and that's obviously great news. I mean, you

797
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: felt so bad for the kid coming out off the

798
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: injury last year. He has such a great start and

799
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: then week five he injuries his collar bones. So you're

800
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: hoping it was nothing serious. He might be out a

801
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: little bit well, but it looks like he has avoided

802
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: serious injury, and that's great for him because he's really

803
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: competing for one of those final spots at receiver. I'm curious,

804
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, you've got that camera out at practice. You

805
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: see some close up stuff and you're catching so much stuff.

806
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you saw from from se Fist before

807
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: Yesterday's much like the catch that he got hurt on.

808
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Guy just makes place. He's just out there his ball

809
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: skills at the top of a route or you know,

810
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: I think he probably might be the best guy out

811
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: here just the top of the route going up getting

812
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: the ball. Not a fast guy, bigger, good blocker, you know,

813
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: this is a guy that that shows up. I feel

814
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: like I wanted to see him more in pads. I'm

815
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: disappointed he got hurt so early. That's a guy that

816
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: when the pads come on, I feel like he excels

817
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: because he's like one of those guys who does everything well. Right.

818
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: You talk about Jamo and the top end speed, right,

819
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: and you talk about a'm on Rosening Brown the toughness

820
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: and the quickness. But with c Fist and me like,

821
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: he's probably the most physical of our receivers, probably the

822
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: best in traffic cat you know, pass catcher has some

823
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: run after the catch skills. Kind of just one of

824
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: those all around guys you love as he figures it out.

825
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: He does. He figures it out and he's productive. He

826
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: is an NFL wide receiver man. I think he gets cut.

827
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: He goes and catches on with another team. Unique guys

828
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: like that and when they're they're battling. Now for that

829
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of six seventh wide receiver spot. Good news that

830
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: at quintest If it's gonna be back, So he's back.

831
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Speaker 1: Another question from Derek More Wide Receiver Talk DJ Chark,

832
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: what's the ceiling for him this year? Could he be

833
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: a long term piece only on a one year deal here?

834
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: What have you seen from DJA Chark first couple of

835
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: days here? You know, the one year deal is interesting

836
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: to me. You know they called those prove it deals.

837
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: But I think if you're DJ Chark and you look

838
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: at I think a guy like Charles Harris's great example

839
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: last year, right, comes here on a prove it deal

840
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: and what does he do? He proves it right, leads

841
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: a team with seven a half sacks, great in the

842
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: locker room, works with the young guys, has a motor

843
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: that never quits, can set the edge, and then he

844
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: gets rewarded for that. You know, he gets a two

845
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: year deal for I think it was thirteen million dollars

846
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: or something like that. He got paid on a prove

847
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: it deal. And I think guys like DJ Chark and

848
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: really veterans on one year deals can look at that

849
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, if I come in and produce,

850
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes and this front office are good good. You

851
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: know on their word that that if I go prove it,

852
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: they'll reward me. And I think DJ Shark has a

853
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: chance to be one of those guys for the Detroit Lions.

854
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get every opportunity over there

855
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: playing the X. You know, that was a position that

856
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: they really needed to upgrade. You know that outside the

857
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: numbers gives them vertical threat. Look, he's six foot four,

858
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: he runs the sub four four. I think him and

859
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Golf have been on. I have a pretty good rapport here,

860
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: or they seem especially early on for guys who don't

861
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: didn't know each other. Heading in this year, it seems

862
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: seems pretty good to me. And you look at him,

863
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty nineteen. He's a pro bowler.

864
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 1: A thousand yards of year after he you know, he's

865
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: a seven hundred yard guy on a bad offense. And

866
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: then he has the injury obviously last year and only

867
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: played in a handful of games, but was averaging over

868
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: twenty yards per catch in those you know games he

869
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: played last year. That to me is is what he

870
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: brings to this office and the injuries. Why you can

871
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: get a guy like that on a one year contrac Yeah. No,

872
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point by you, because you're right,

873
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the injury, if he has a

874
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: thousand yards are close to he has a long term,

875
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: long term they could be here or somebody still, why

876
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: would you let that guy kind of leave kind of thing. So,

877
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's a great addition. I think

878
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: he's a very undervalued addition, like nationally for this team.

879
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a big part of

880
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: this offense. And when you talk about a ceiling, I

881
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: think he's got a great chance to be a thousand

882
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: yard receiver here with eight eight touchdowns, and I think

883
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: if he gets that kind of production, boy, this offense

884
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: is a whole lot better. Yeah, So a couple of

885
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: people asked another veteran on a one year deal, Mike Hughes.

886
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: We got a couple of questions about him. Yeah, hasn't

887
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: been talked about a whole lot during practices, but where

888
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: where's he at on the on the cornerback down? He's

889
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: a good veteran guy. And some guys we're asking me

890
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you know heys he had a chance to

891
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: compete with Jeff or Um, you know, Will Harris or

892
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, he's almost exclusively been inside now.

893
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: I know he played more inside and he started his

894
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: career in Minnesota. He played outside in Kansas City. And

895
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: that's a great thing about Mike is that he's got

896
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the ability to do both. But at least early this

897
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: first week of camp, he's played more in the nickel

898
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be a great competition

899
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: between him and second year cornerback AJ Parker. Mike's a

900
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: little bit bigger, has a little bit more size Aj

901
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: I think, a little bit more quickness. But we saw

902
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: even in the offseason training program Mike stepped in front

903
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: of Tim Boyle pass and you know, the instincts to

904
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of know where to be having played there for

905
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, a long time, and brought it to the house. So, um,

906
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: he's gonna be inside and he is very much in

907
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: the mix for that nickel spot. He can jump outside

908
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and that's a great thing to have, you know, you

909
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: cross train those guys if you have injuries and he

910
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: needs to flip outside. He's got that experience of doing it.

911
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: But I think they see him right now as a

912
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: nickel and it's between him and AJ Parker for that

913
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: starting spot. Yeah, so another guy. We got a lot

914
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: of questions about this, So we got a couple of

915
00:41:53,640 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Mike Hughes, a couple of seaface updates Malcolm Rogers. So far,

916
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: so early, indications on where he's at linebacker wise, what

917
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: has he shown you? This question here from Becky Jay

918
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: and is he building a fan base like he built

919
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State? They love him there? So where is

920
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: Malcolm for you? I think by the end of the

921
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: preseason he is going to have a pretty nice fan

922
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: base here because to me, you know, and I do

923
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: observations every day in practice, so I've got my notebook right,

924
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: and it just seems like every day I'm writing number

925
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: forty four down for making some kind of play. And look,

926
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: he's a six round draft pick. He's undersized. But to me,

927
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: what has stood out, and especially in the padded practice,

928
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: was the instincts. You know, this is a more aggressive

929
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: defense knowledge you know, you know, they've changed from a

930
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: three to four react to a four three kind of

931
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: aggressive play on the heels, see it and go destroy it.

932
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: And I think that really fits Malcolm Rodriguez when you

933
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: watched his college tape and then it's translated to here.

934
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: I was watching really close in the first predit practice

935
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's you know, he sees it one step and

936
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: he goes I mean he blew up a screen the

937
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: other day out the clip absolutely screen met Greg Reynolds

938
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: in the hole, you know, and there was a loud

939
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: pop there. It's just he's very uh, he's very decisive

940
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: in his movements, if that makes sense. And I think,

941
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: I think because he's undersized, he has to be that,

942
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you got to know where you're going

943
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: and be able to get there quick. You have to

944
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: beat those guards and centers to that spot because you

945
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: don't have the size necessarily to hit them off or

946
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: fight them off. And now that's technique in hands. And

947
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: he's being learned all that. Excuse me being taught all

948
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: that stuff, But I just the instincts to me, he's

949
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: always in the right hole. He sees a screen or

950
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: a play in the flat and he identifies it so quick.

951
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: He's just one of those guys, Peach, that's always around

952
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: the football. And when I want when I talk about

953
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: a linebacker and what I want in a linebacker, you

954
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: can talk about size and speed and the ability to

955
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: rush and play multiple spots. Give me a guy who

956
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: just knows how to be around the ball, knows for

957
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: the ball. That's what I want, and that's what Malcolm

958
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: Rodriguez is. I'm really excited for fans to see this

959
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: guy in the preseason. He's going to be a stunt

960
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: on special teams, but he is very quickly working his

961
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: way into some first team reps and some important second

962
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: team reps as well, and I think by the end

963
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: of training camp he is very much going to be

964
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: in the mix. He's kind of one of those guys

965
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: that I think has really stood out among among the

966
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: young guys early on. So there you go. You can

967
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that rookie. Question from Brandon about

968
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: the biggest rookie, Aidan Hudsonson. Yeah, asking comparing to a

969
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: young and Dominican Sue Ziggy Onza their first camps. You know,

970
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: being around those guys, you've been here a while. Yeah,

971
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: any comparison and two other highly drafted guys, highly drafted guy,

972
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: highly productive guys, Pro Bowl guys early in their career.

973
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I think Aidan's a little bit different because with Sue,

974
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: he was strictly an interior guy and looking domicin Sue

975
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: when he came in here a number two pick, Aidan

976
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Hutchinson was a dominant guy, but I think his domination

977
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: was more power. He was just physically stronger than anyone

978
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: across the way from him. And that was his edge.

979
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: When you talked about Ziggy, it was that size and

980
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: length on the edge. You know he was they were

981
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: in Jim Schwartz's defensive that he was on the nine tech,

982
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: so you know he was way out wide using his

983
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: length and his speed. I think was where he really excelled.

984
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that you guys are gonna

985
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: love about Aiden Hutchinson, and I'll use yesterday's practice as

986
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: an example, is he's out on the edge and he

987
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: blows up a play, disrupts it and has a sack

988
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: on the edge. Well then they moved him inside to

989
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: the three tech and he does the same thing, gets

990
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: by the guard, and you know he was matched up

991
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: back and forth on both sides. I saw him matched

992
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: up with Jonah and Big vat practice yesterday, and that

993
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: to me is where he's a little bit different than

994
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: than a Dominican and Ziggy because he's so versatile. He

995
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: can literally play all four positions on that defensive line.

996
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: And he's one of those guys that I don't think

997
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna take out a lot because you want that

998
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: NASCAR package right where you put maybe Julian and Charles

999
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: on the outside. But you want to have some rushing

1000
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: from the pressure from the from the interior, so you

1001
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: can put Aiden or Levi or Josh when he gets

1002
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: back on the interior, and you just have so many

1003
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: options with him. And I'll tell you what, he's been impressive.

1004
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: He comes to work, he puts his head down. Um

1005
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: he you know, he doesn't say much. He's attached on

1006
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: to the veterans. Apparently he can sing a pretty darn

1007
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: good billy ja. Yeah, that's a hard knocking. That's gonna

1008
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: be wait till August nine. We hope to see that

1009
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: on a hard knocks. But he's been everything the Lions

1010
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: hoped he would be. And Aaron Glenn, the defensive corner,

1011
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: said even more when we talked to him last week.

1012
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: So that's all you can ask the young man. We'll

1013
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: see how this thing progresses, but he's going to be

1014
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: a big part of what the Lions do, both from

1015
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: an edge perspective and an interior perspective. And look, they

1016
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: were thirtieth yeah sacks last year, right or right, thirtieth

1017
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 1: in sacks last year, the second fewest you know, pass

1018
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: rush win rate. So it's just they need some juice there.

1019
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: And early indications that Adan's going to help provide that,

1020
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: which is good. We've covered a lot of defense now

1021
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: transitioning over to the offense, a lot of talk about

1022
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: how Ben Johnson and Jared Goff kind of tailored this

1023
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: offense now to the RAM, so people are asking for

1024
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: an update on that. How has Goff seemed early on,

1025
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: how has the offense seemed a little bit different than

1026
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: than what the lines are in last I think Jared's

1027
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: got a really good grasp of the offense. And what

1028
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: I mean by that is when I watch that, what

1029
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: that means to me is, you know, is he checking

1030
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: things early? Is he handling coverages? And I think he's

1031
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: doing that really early in the process. Like they're breaking

1032
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: the huddle and they've they've implemented some tempo to this, right,

1033
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: so they want to break huddles, get up to the line,

1034
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: let Jared scan. But it doesn't take long for Jared

1035
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: to kind of see what's happening, make a check, get

1036
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: the coverages right, and then now you still have time

1037
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: to motion and do some of the other stuff and

1038
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: you're not rush. And I think that was maybe a

1039
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: little bit different last year. Everything so new to Jared.

1040
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't even know where the bathrooms were

1041
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: in the facility, you know. I mean it's just you

1042
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: have to learn all that kind of stuff and you're

1043
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: in a whole new environment. And I think now that

1044
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: all that's past him. You mentioned the fact that he's

1045
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: taking kind of ownership of this offense. Him and Ben Johnson,

1046
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, sat together and um, you know, kind of

1047
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: looked at what he did well, what he likes and

1048
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: they implemented it here. And I think you're you can

1049
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: see that on the there's a there's a comfort level

1050
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: and I think when all that stuff kind of falls

1051
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: into place and you can just play fast and see

1052
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: the field, he's delivering the football on time at the

1053
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: right spots, finding the open guys. It's not a struggle

1054
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: and he's holding it too long and then you've got

1055
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: sacks that It's just it's just been pretty crisp to me.

1056
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: And that's been the biggest difference. And he's finally got

1057
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: pieces around him, right, I mean, you've seen it and

1058
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. Something else I've noticed, just even

1059
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: compared to last year, early on in training camp, he's

1060
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: letting it fly a little bit more. Yeah, I would

1061
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: do with the sideline outside of the numbers, he's he's

1062
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: seems more comfortable than one hundred saying, and that was

1063
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: one of the big things last year, right the dink

1064
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: and dunk and how they weren't vertical and it just

1065
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: restricted what they did offensive. I think that's a great

1066
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: point by you because I've noticed that as well. And

1067
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: he's got weapons like Josh Reynolds, which he didn't have

1068
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: in camp. DJ Chark. We already talked about wait till

1069
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: they get Jamo back, um, But you I think that

1070
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: that that's a good point because you are seeing that,

1071
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: and now that opens things up for Hutch on the inside,

1072
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: and I'm on Ross Saint Brown and we're seeing those

1073
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: guys making a lot of plays because of what's going

1074
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: on outside. I think just collectively, Jared's got a really

1075
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: good handle on this offense and it's looked good the

1076
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: first week and then the follow up to this question,

1077
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: second part another there who's been two in here? Two

1078
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: and here we go, RuPaul Lennon, all right, you're gonna

1079
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: get too into a lot of people are asking about

1080
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Khalil Pimpleton receiver from Central Michigan. You know, it's tough

1081
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: because that room is so loaded, right, We're talking about

1082
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: Quintez Cefiss and Trinity Benson, guys who have been in

1083
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: the league doing it as like your six and seventh guys.

1084
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, where does an undrafted guy from Central Michigan

1085
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: University fit into the mix? Well? I think the one

1086
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: thing where he stands out to me is speedwise. He

1087
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: was in one on ones the other day. He's burning people.

1088
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean he has speed to burn. Undersized, right, but

1089
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: a perfect kind of slot vertical guy. I think where

1090
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: he's going to run into a little bit of problems.

1091
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: He's got a similar skill set to Clif Raymond. And

1092
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: you know obviously what Kliff does as a punt return

1093
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: on special teams, and they know the leadership you know

1094
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: from being a vet guy. That's gonna be hard for

1095
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Pimpleton to overcome. But he is returning punts as well. Yeah,

1096
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's him, Saint Brown and Pimpleton back there

1097
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: pretty almost exclusively the first week of camp. And so

1098
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: look that young man's gonna get an opportunity to preseason.

1099
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited for Lives. He's going to be able to

1100
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: get an opportunity the preseason to play the slot and

1101
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: return kicks, and look, if you make plays, it's hard

1102
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: to cut guys like that. You know, you go and

1103
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: return a punt for a touchdown, or you have a

1104
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: really big special teams game and then you show consistency

1105
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: over the middle and making guys mission catch the footballs.

1106
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: That's how you make football teams. To that point, I

1107
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: think that's something we saw last year with Craig Reynolds

1108
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: had a really good preseas and scored that touchdown against

1109
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: the Bills where he broke it around outside. Don't for

1110
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: the pylon and write a guy that you know ended

1111
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: up sticking around. Yeah, And I think at the very least,

1112
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean he to me would be one of those

1113
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: guys that would be a total practice squad type guy,

1114
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: a development guy that, hey, something happens to Khalil or

1115
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: excuse me, not clear, something happens to Clif Boom. You've

1116
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: got a guy that can step in and almost seamlessly

1117
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: fit in there. Or you suffer some injuries at wide receiver,

1118
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe a couple of your vertical guys

1119
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: with speed go down and you want to, you know,

1120
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: kind of infuse his speed because boy, he does have it.

1121
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: Quickness and speed are his game. So you know it'll

1122
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: be interesting. You've got we've got to see because I

1123
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: think he's got a tough road ahead just where the

1124
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: lines are at receiver. But I like the skill set,

1125
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: I like the player, I love the speed, and if

1126
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: he shows out in the preseason, he's going to make

1127
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: make an argument for himself. And that's all you can ask.

1128
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: That's that's I feel like a guy with that skill

1129
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: set as where the league is kind of like trending

1130
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: more gadgety and getting that guy the ball. It's just

1131
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: like it's a unique skill set. Even though the Lions

1132
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: have two of those guys and Alice Raymond and him,

1133
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: I think he's been really impressive in one on ones.

1134
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: The only issue with smaller guys to me and is

1135
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the catch radius. Yeah, that's the only issue. You know,

1136
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks love those six foot four guys. Wrong arms, Joshua right,

1137
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: that can You don't have to be perfect all the

1138
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: time because they can jump up and get it or

1139
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: they've got that catch radius. That's the only issue with

1140
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: the smaller guys is you've got to be a little

1141
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: bit better throwing than the football, especially down the field

1142
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: deep there's a little bit less room for error. So

1143
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: I think those guys have to particularly stand out because

1144
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: they don't have the size combination that obviously, you know,

1145
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: teams love and quarterbacks love, and offense is love. But

1146
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: if you make plays, you make plays, and they'll find

1147
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: ways to get you the football. Yeah. So going off

1148
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: of that, another two more undrafted guys, Kevin Jarvis Obina

1149
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: as a asking about them. Yeah, offensive line depth. Yeah,

1150
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: how's it looking second team offensive line? Obviously Evan Brown

1151
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: came back, started a lot of games last year, but

1152
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: what's kind of building around him now? Two guys that

1153
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: are getting some some pretty good second team reps, And

1154
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: I think Jarvis has even maybe fit in a couple

1155
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: of times when they've used guys on the first team

1156
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: shifted around and early on. And look, that's a great

1157
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: thing about this offensive line. We talk all the time

1158
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: about the five guys. Right, You've got Deck big v

1159
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: Jonah Jackson, Frank and Panna Sewell and that's your five.

1160
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: And that's a great starting five. I could be top

1161
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: five in the league. But after that, you've got Evan Brown,

1162
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: who was a guy who stepped in for Frank and

1163
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: played the last thirteen games last year and was pretty

1164
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: darn good. I think top ten in terms of all

1165
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: the analytics and the metrics from PFF and all the

1166
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: other places. I mean, he just really kind of stepped

1167
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: in there. He wasn't Frank, obviously, but he was very

1168
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: very good. Then you've got a guy like Matt Nelson,

1169
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: a former defensive tackle who can kind of who who's

1170
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: now an offensive tackle. He was your swing guy last year,

1171
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: but when Taylor goes down right, they moved Penna to

1172
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: left and Nelson steps in it right. And was it perfect? No,

1173
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: But I think he was very very solid there. And

1174
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: now he's a year older. Tommy Kramer, undrafted guy from

1175
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, got a chance to play a lot of

1176
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: injuries here and was really really good. And so you know,

1177
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: now you're talking about two more guys that are in

1178
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: that mix. And so to me, that's a like we

1179
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: talked about with Receiver, that's really a stacked room. I

1180
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: think they've got to feel really good about what they have,

1181
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: not only were their starting five, but with the backup

1182
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: and the competition that's developing with the two guys that

1183
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: you just mentioned there, along with the other ones I

1184
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: talked about you know, you can throw Logan Stenberg in

1185
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: there too. I mean, they've got guys. I think that's

1186
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: going to be a hard decision in the end, and

1187
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: that's a good thing to have. That's what you want.

1188
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: That's when you know your football team is better. When

1189
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: you're cutting guys that are probably going to be picked

1190
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: up somewhere or there. It's a really hard decision. Yeah,

1191
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: So we got one more question and then I want

1192
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: to get to a kind of a training camp first

1193
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: couple of weeks wrap up. Okay, one more Twitter question,

1194
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: Ashley David Sodan all Right, actually, training training camp, special

1195
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: teams battles. Okay, people are asking, you know, who is

1196
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: going to make the team based on their special team's contributions.

1197
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard now in training camp to just

1198
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: get a judge of that. But what have you seen

1199
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: from the training camp period so far? Well, I think

1200
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: the biggest competition obviously is a kicker, right between Riley

1201
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: Patterson and Austin Siebert. That one will be interesting. I

1202
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: think they're close right now and that's you know, the

1203
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: joint practice the special teams, and that's going to develop

1204
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, will be a decision that

1205
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: that just comes along the way. I think the interesting

1206
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: one to me is the linebacker spot, because there's obviously

1207
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: a question March when we talk about the linebackers on defense,

1208
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: But when you look at that position from a special

1209
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: team's perspective, I think they've got a lot of guys

1210
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: there that are pretty to earn good. I mean, you

1211
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: looked up at the Chris Board who came over who

1212
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: was a special team's ace from Baltimore. Josh Woods really

1213
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: good on special teams, Anthony Pittman really good. We talked

1214
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: about Malcolm Rodriguez and he's going to get those opportunities

1215
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: on special teams as well. And look, those guys are

1216
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: so important on special teams just because of their size, speed, combination,

1217
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: that skill set. It just fits. You can play in

1218
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: space at in special teams at that linebacker spot. So

1219
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: those guys a lot of times are your core guys.

1220
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: And so I think it's going to be interesting how

1221
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: they view, Okay, this guy's great on special teams as

1222
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: a linebacker, but is he in our mix defensively at linebacker?

1223
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: And then how many guys can we have who are

1224
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: maybe just special teams core guys. How many times can

1225
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: play you know, can be linebackers, So it'll be really

1226
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: really interesting kind of see what they view and how

1227
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: they view those linebackers and in terms of special teams

1228
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: in defense, that to me is something to watch. It'll

1229
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: be one of the better competitions. So then one last

1230
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: quick question for me. All of the people we have

1231
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: not talked about, we've hit, we've hit a we've hit

1232
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: a lot here. Who stood out justin pads for you

1233
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: so far? Who stood out in pads to me that

1234
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about yet. DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift, people

1235
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: are always interested in They're always interested in DeAndre Swift.

1236
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: But I tell you what I mean. He rocked out

1237
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: a little bit in this offseason. Yeah, he's got bigger.

1238
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: He got for sure, he got bigger, and he didn't

1239
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: lose any speed doing it. And it's just that that

1240
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: one cut nature I love. And if those guys in

1241
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: front of him can stay healthy, if he can have

1242
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: a top five offensive line with his explosiveness, with what

1243
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: they've added on the outside, with his ability to be

1244
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: in space and be a big part of the passing game.

1245
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: I've just been impressed with how they used him as

1246
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: a receiver. How he's been running. Um, he's just he's

1247
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: got a chance to me, and I don't think this

1248
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: is way off base, is I think he can be

1249
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: a fifteen hundred yards scrimmage guy this year and be

1250
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: one of those top dual threat running backs when you

1251
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: talk about the album Camaris and the Dalvin Cooks and

1252
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: all those, I think he can be. In that conversation,

1253
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: I think he's that good. He's been impressive this first

1254
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: week and it'll be exciting to see what he continues

1255
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: to do. Awesome. All right, Well, thank you guys for

1256
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: joining us. We will be back next week with some

1257
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: more national analysts. We might throw some questions in there.

1258
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: I'll be joined me. I think we're gonna talk a

1259
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: little bit NFC North. So I got a lot planned

1260
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: for you guys next week and the coming weeks as

1261
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: we finish off training camp. Thank you guys for joining